Speaker 1: Hey there everybody. It is Saturday, January seventeenth.
Speaker 2: And wow, I saw an article this week that I
Speaker 2: was so impressed with.
Speaker 1: You love Helen Mirren.
Speaker 2: By the way, she's one of your absolute favorite actresses.
Speaker 1: You talk about her quite a bit.
Speaker 3: Let mean, that sounded creepy, but yes, I'm a fan. Jesus.
Speaker 2: She is one of those women I think a lot
Speaker 2: of us women look up to.
Speaker 1: She's eighty years old.
Speaker 2: She's aging beautifully and aging very differently than a lot
Speaker 2: of women were seeing that are in the spotlight, certainly
Speaker 2: actors and actresses. And I will say, babe, as a woman,
Speaker 2: knowing that a man can look at someone who's eighty
Speaker 2: who has chosen not to do anything surgically to her
Speaker 2: face or and she talks about all of this, that
Speaker 2: you can find her sexy and appealing and strong. And
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm telling you hearing you say that, actually
Speaker 2: is it just makes sense comforting to women who are aging, like, Wow,
Speaker 2: you can be beautiful, you can be sexy, embracing your age.
Speaker 3: Don't listen to me. We don't listen to me about it.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, folks, too too often a man and men and
Speaker 4: women look to outside forces to validate, to make them
Speaker 4: feel good about what they're doing or how they're looking,
Speaker 4: and how the miriad for me is not just her appearance.
Speaker 4: And I think she is regarded as classically beautiful in
Speaker 4: a lot of circles. She's an eighty year old woman,
Speaker 4: and my crush probably started certainly after she was sixty.
Speaker 4: But she's absolutely one of my celebrity without a doubt.
Speaker 4: And it's not just the way she looks, but the
Speaker 4: way she carries herself, her confidence, and yes, it comes
Speaker 4: through in an article like this one you're talking about.
Speaker 3: She just doesn't give a shit.
Speaker 4: She just wants She's just herself and not trying to
Speaker 4: put on or be this or be that, and that
Speaker 4: is attractive as hell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that amazing? There were so many nuggets of
Speaker 2: wisdom in this article she sat down with L magazine,
Speaker 2: and I think, look, I'm fifty two, about to turn
Speaker 2: fifty three. But whatever age you are, if you're a
Speaker 2: woman listening everyone, I would think most women, unfortunately, are
Speaker 2: concerned about aging, what they're going to look like, how
Speaker 2: they're going to handle their first wrinkles or their many wrinkles,
Speaker 2: or their sagging skin, and are they going to be
Speaker 2: attractive because valuable.
Speaker 3: What are we talking about? But what is a concern?
Speaker 3: My first wrinkle?
Speaker 4: Oh hell, I have a wrinkle now, So this means blank, like,
Speaker 4: what is the next thing in the concern? I can
Speaker 4: say it generally, but I'm saying I'm asking someone to
Speaker 4: articulate it.
Speaker 3: What is it.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to be able to find a mate,
Speaker 4: I'm not going to be as attractive in the office.
Speaker 4: They're going to be younger women out. What is the thing?
Speaker 2: It actually completely speaks to a woman's value. And I
Speaker 2: remember a friend of mine when she turned sixty, she
Speaker 2: said to me, there is nothing more lonely than being
Speaker 2: a middle or older, aging woman because you become invisible
Speaker 2: and you recognize it that all of a sudden, Because
Speaker 2: I do think women, without realizing it, recognize their value
Speaker 2: or feel their worth in.
Speaker 1: How they're viewed.
Speaker 3: So I guess that's never going to change. Is that
Speaker 3: where we are?
Speaker 2: I think all of us would like it to change,
Speaker 2: But if we're being honest and having an honest conversation,
Speaker 2: it's probably not going to change. So you can blame society,
Speaker 2: and you can blame the culture, and you can blame
Speaker 2: that women have traditionally been given value for their ability
Speaker 2: to have children, and your ability to have children is
Speaker 2: your ability to attract a man, and your ability to
Speaker 2: attract a man has everything to do with how you look.
Speaker 1: So, yes, that is where we are and probably where
Speaker 1: we're going to stay.
Speaker 4: But women make different decisions and that's okay. Yeah, you
Speaker 4: can make a decision like Helen Miron has, or you
Speaker 4: can make a decision like Chris Jenner has. Correct both
Speaker 4: are okay, and both send very different messages. But who
Speaker 4: is going to be following along at the age as
Speaker 4: they're watching at eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen,
Speaker 4: and fifteen watching Keeping Up with the Kardashians, are they
Speaker 4: going to see that as the option or are they're
Speaker 4: gonna say, you know what, dame, oh the dame.
Speaker 3: What's her name again?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Helen Mirren one of the movies I've seen,
Speaker 4: she's you know what, I'm gonna go with her route
Speaker 4: because I don't believe because I got a thirteen year
Speaker 4: old now who knows where everything is, and Sophara, that's
Speaker 4: a problem for me at least, excuse.
Speaker 2: Me, no, And I get that, and we can and
Speaker 2: that's something to talk about because I do think though
Speaker 2: an article like this and seeing Helen Mirren be as
Speaker 2: confident and as strong and as beautiful as she is,
Speaker 2: it is important. And I'm so happy that she spoke
Speaker 2: up and spoke out about this because she isn't judging anyone,
Speaker 2: but it does give women, young girls, aging women. We're
Speaker 2: all getting older obviously by every day, another alternative to
Speaker 2: thinking I have to get the surgery, I have to
Speaker 2: spend this money. I have to have full lips, I
Speaker 2: have to have full hair, I have to have tight
Speaker 2: skin in order to feel good about myself. So this
Speaker 2: article in l magazine by Helen miron or interviewing Helen
Speaker 2: Mirren is important.
Speaker 1: That is why I really wanted.
Speaker 2: To do this episode, because what she had to say
Speaker 2: is not being heard very loudly by a lot of people.
Speaker 3: And will her mercers get amplified? Who knows well?
Speaker 2: Hoping to do so by talking a little bit about
Speaker 2: what she said, I started out with my favorite quote
Speaker 2: she had during the entire article. She said, I don't
Speaker 2: call it growing old, I call it growing up. She
Speaker 2: is an adult, and you've always respected that about people
Speaker 2: when they act like adults.
Speaker 3: You act your age and you look your age.
Speaker 4: It's okay to age, and I look, I'm everybody's fighting it, right.
Speaker 4: Every commercial you see is of when you watch sports.
Speaker 4: It's a rod Gain commercial, right. Those guys want to
Speaker 4: hold onto their hair. I mean everybody is vain to
Speaker 4: some degree, to a great degree. And while we don't
Speaker 4: admit that, I don't know. I don't know where we
Speaker 4: get and where she has gotten. I guess when you
Speaker 4: have dame in front of your name, you know you
Speaker 4: can afford not to give a damn.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think of another Who else out there
Speaker 4: is aging? Who is elected to their couple of women
Speaker 4: Alicia Keys and Pamela Anderson who've made a declaration about makeup? Yep,
Speaker 4: Who out there is aging beautifully and gracefully and appropriately.
Speaker 4: I'm thinking about the Glenn Closest of the world, the
Speaker 4: Meryl Streeps of the world.
Speaker 1: The Glenn Closest had work done for sure.
Speaker 4: The Angela Bassetts of the world, who doesn't seem to
Speaker 4: age at all.
Speaker 3: I don't know what she's doing, yes.
Speaker 4: But I'm thinking about those women who are I think,
Speaker 4: become sexier and more attractive because they are their age
Speaker 4: and they look their age and they're acting confidently in
Speaker 4: their age. That is attractive. The lip flip thing is
Speaker 4: again for everybody else, that's fine. But you see people
Speaker 4: trying to in such obvious ways alter and that's fine.
Speaker 4: I hate to say it in such a way that
Speaker 4: I'm shitting on folks who do that.
Speaker 3: That is not the case. I'm just saying you.
Speaker 4: I do look at them, and I find value and
Speaker 4: attractiveness in people doing things that other people do to
Speaker 4: make themselves attractive.
Speaker 2: Correct, Yes, And I do think there is this danger,
Speaker 2: and look, I struggle with it. I struggle with what
Speaker 2: I am doing and what I will potentially do You
Speaker 2: start to think about when you get to a certain age,
Speaker 2: what will I do when I'm sixty? What will I
Speaker 2: do when I'm seventy? Will I get a facelift? Do
Speaker 2: I want any of these things that I see other
Speaker 2: women doing.
Speaker 1: I mean, even my twenty three year old.
Speaker 2: Sent me when Chris Jenner revealed her second facelift for
Speaker 2: her seventieth birthday, she does look incredible. That surgery, or
Speaker 2: those surgeries I believe, have been estimated to cost upwards
Speaker 2: of two hundred thousand dollars. So it's not available to
Speaker 2: the vast majority of us. But you start to wonder,
Speaker 2: like that, is that what the ideal look is at
Speaker 2: seventy or do you look at eighty year old Helen
Speaker 2: Mirren and say, is that you know is a symbol
Speaker 2: of beauty?
Speaker 4: But isn't it just to each her own, to each
Speaker 4: his and her own? And shouldn't it be that no
Speaker 4: one should be criticized Helen Mirren shouldn't be, and Chris
Speaker 4: Jenner shouldn't.
Speaker 2: Be, shouldn't be, but the pressures on and the comments
Speaker 2: are a plenty, and that is the issue.
Speaker 1: I do think it's interesting.
Speaker 2: Helen Mirren, and I appreciate her approach, again completely non judgmental.
Speaker 2: But she talked about that early on in her career,
Speaker 2: a film director told her she would never have a
Speaker 2: career unless she had a nose job, and she now
Speaker 2: says that was one rather silly man. So I love
Speaker 2: how she just let that role offer and even as
Speaker 2: a young woman wanting to get into the business, she
Speaker 2: didn't let that directive put her in that position where
Speaker 2: she felt like she had to.
Speaker 1: She did it her way. She kept her is exactly
Speaker 1: as it is.
Speaker 2: And it actually made me look at her nose in
Speaker 2: this picture is like, wow, could she It's a little crooked, but.
Speaker 1: It's her nose and it's cool and that's her choice.
Speaker 4: Well, how many same thing singers, actors that you see
Speaker 4: are before in an after picture and they do not
Speaker 4: look at all. They have turned themselves into something that
Speaker 4: they at least feel is more photogenic, maybe more teleigenic,
Speaker 4: and they are wildly successful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3: Someone can make.
Speaker 4: The same argument that yeah, I didn't change mine and
Speaker 4: I still made it through. Others will say, yeah, I
Speaker 4: change up, and when I did, things took off for me.
Speaker 2: I think the point with what Helen Miron is saying
Speaker 2: is that she provides another alternative that feels like a
Speaker 2: very positive way forward, and we need more of those
Speaker 2: folks in the spotlight. So young girls, middle aged girls,
Speaker 2: aging women can see that and go I can see
Speaker 2: that as a way forward versus feeling the pressure of
Speaker 2: doing the opposite. She said, I'm not against plastics, and
Speaker 2: I want to say that very clearly. If it makes
Speaker 2: someone feel better, then why not. Life is too short
Speaker 2: to be miserable about elements.
Speaker 1: Of your face.
Speaker 2: How would you feel if Sabine said she wanted to
Speaker 2: change or get plastic surgery.
Speaker 1: She wanted to. I don't know whatever it is that
Speaker 1: she would do. She's gorgeous.
Speaker 3: Tough conversation. I have to listen.
Speaker 4: That's a very very tough conversation. And we spend a
Speaker 4: lot of time with her and having conversations about being
Speaker 4: very careful about how she dresses, what impression she's giving
Speaker 4: to other people. How many of these things do you
Speaker 4: really need from Sophora right now?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: What do you need this for? The eyes? And what
Speaker 3: is it?
Speaker 4: We are constantly engaged with her about what she's doing and.
Speaker 3: Look it. What'd you say, eleven to twelve to thirty?
Speaker 4: When was the year that it might have been eleven
Speaker 4: to twelve, like it was a different child.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I think that's exactly from sixth to seventh grade.
Speaker 2: A lot of people will say it's around the time
Speaker 2: a girl, it's her period. That is when everything changes, hormones,
Speaker 2: body mind.
Speaker 4: Different kid, different concerns, everything, hair, how she dresses, what
Speaker 4: she's concerned about, how people view her.
Speaker 3: It's totally different.
Speaker 2: We talk all the time. When we're walking down the street,
Speaker 2: we watch people. It's something we love to do. But
Speaker 2: you see a girl who is under the age of
Speaker 2: ten and under, and the confidence almost every one of
Speaker 2: these girls has, walking with just her chest up, her arms,
Speaker 2: swinging a skip in her step, doesn't care if her
Speaker 2: hair is a mess, what she's wearing, what shoes she
Speaker 2: has on, It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: There's just this freedom, and this a freedom.
Speaker 2: To be her, to express herself without worrying about what
Speaker 2: she looks like and can see the moment it changes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and a few months ago we were literally hiding
Speaker 4: in Oculus Mall because she didn't want to be seen
Speaker 4: with her dad, because she's worried about how she would
Speaker 4: appear to some other friends that she knew were running
Speaker 4: around the building. I'm saying, is to that what you're saying,
Speaker 4: something happens to where you always say this. Girls realize
Speaker 4: how much power they have in their parents.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 4: They start getting attention for it, and now it becomes
Speaker 4: so important. And to see that happening with a child
Speaker 4: now twelve and thirteen.
Speaker 3: Is uncomfortable yep.
Speaker 2: And then so you see it happening when they start
Speaker 2: realizing their power but then realizing how quickly it could
Speaker 2: go away. Then you have the flip side of women
Speaker 2: who are in their thirties, forties, fifties, sixties, seeing that power.
Speaker 2: I hate to use it like that, but that influence
Speaker 2: they have or fading and going away, and so they're
Speaker 2: desperate to bring it back. And so you can see
Speaker 2: the two ends of that spectrum and what is it?
Speaker 1: One are what is that?
Speaker 4: Right as we're doing this, we're just happen to have
Speaker 4: the TV on and all these beauty products are being Yes, there's.
Speaker 2: A big focus now on these red light masks or
Speaker 2: these masks that you could.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's one.
Speaker 3: Of those, but boosting this is mask.
Speaker 1: Look, I'm constantly looking to boost coologen.
Speaker 2: You know. Is this struggle like trying to fight aging
Speaker 2: and fight nature a little bit without amending how I
Speaker 2: look or changing, you know, but you are in a way.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, the Vegas, the Vegas situation. We went
Speaker 4: down to a gift shop. We were just trying to
Speaker 4: get something in our Vegas hotel, just to grab a
Speaker 4: quick something. We were in that two hours and some
Speaker 4: dude made us spend untold amounts of money because he
Speaker 4: sold you on some beauty product.
Speaker 2: It's so true, I fully admit it. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: it was you get sucked in. Someone tells you, if
Speaker 2: you just put this on your face, you'll look ten
Speaker 2: years younger.
Speaker 1: I'm in, who wouldn't be in? I get that.
Speaker 2: But when we come back, I want to I want
Speaker 2: to get to the part of the article where Helen
Speaker 2: Mirren gives an incredible life hack for anyone who.
Speaker 1: Is considering plastic surgery.
Speaker 2: She says, do this before you make that appointment with
Speaker 2: a surgeon.
Speaker 4: All right, welcome back here, folks. We'll continue on Amy
Speaker 4: and TJ. We are getting beauty tips from eighty year
Speaker 4: old Dame Helen Mirren, one of my absolute favorite. She
Speaker 4: is one of my celebrity crushes. And we were going
Speaker 4: in talking about a hack. All right, this is the thing.
Speaker 4: Now everybody has a hack. You want plastic surgery, Oh,
Speaker 4: we got a hack for that. Come on, now, can
Speaker 4: you really have a hack pleasant for plastic surgery.
Speaker 1: Maybe even for avoiding classic surgery. Honestly, this was my favorite.
Speaker 2: This was such a hilarious way to put it, and
Speaker 2: I think any woman who's listening to this will admit
Speaker 2: this is so true and actually phenomenal advice.
Speaker 1: I never thought about it like this, she said.
Speaker 2: Before contemplating anything, get really good lighting in your bathroom,
Speaker 2: so that whenever you look in the mirror, you are
Speaker 2: lit beautifully and you look because from that point on
Speaker 2: it really doesn't matter. You've just seen that last image
Speaker 2: of yourself and think, oh, I look fabulous, and off
Speaker 2: you go. It is a lot cheaper than getting a facelift.
Speaker 2: I am serious about the good lighting in the bathroom.
Speaker 2: Bad lighting is so depressing, so true. I think it
Speaker 2: would be a terrible mistake to get plastic surgery when
Speaker 2: you're in your twenties.
Speaker 1: Your face changes.
Speaker 2: I don't like to criticize or attack people for doing
Speaker 2: what makes them happy, but do try to take a
Speaker 2: look to sorry, but to try to look like a
Speaker 2: fake picture of yourself would be terrible. And that's so interesting.
Speaker 2: To try and look like a fake picture of yourself
Speaker 2: would be terrible. With all of the filters we have
Speaker 2: now and these apps, you can put your pictures through
Speaker 2: so many if you really start looking at Instagram and Bibe.
Speaker 2: I don't know if guys, but when you zoom in
Speaker 2: you can tell when women have airbrushed their wrinkles put
Speaker 2: a filter on the picture to make them look dull,
Speaker 2: light like perfect. Right, So now you're seeing these pictures
Speaker 2: of yourself. You're seeing these pictures of other people, maybe
Speaker 2: your friends, maybe people who are of your same age,
Speaker 2: and they look phenomenal, like they have no wrinkles. Then
Speaker 2: you look at yourself in the mirror with bad lighting
Speaker 2: and you think, I'm an old hag.
Speaker 1: I've got to do something about this. That is real.
Speaker 1: You are comparing yourself.
Speaker 2: To a fake picture of other people or a fake
Speaker 2: picture of yourself, and it's a standard you cannot meet,
Speaker 2: and it's depressing.
Speaker 4: It makes sense, but that's what everybody's doing every day.
Speaker 4: It's the first thing people do when they wake up
Speaker 4: in the morning. They pick up the phone and see
Speaker 4: what their competitor is doing and how wonderful their life is.
Speaker 4: And I say competitor, that could be somebody in off
Speaker 4: is that could be a friend. You're competing with that
Speaker 4: that thing. So yet it's I hear you don't. Don't
Speaker 4: we all understand now? Aren't we all smart enough to
Speaker 4: understand what you just said? But we're not strong enough
Speaker 4: to stop doing it?
Speaker 2: Yes, I think that's a really good way to put it. Yes,
Speaker 2: And Helen also offered something that she learned. She said
Speaker 2: playing different characters. This is really interesting as an actress,
Speaker 2: you'd think, okay, you're an act or. I even wondered,
Speaker 2: you know, obviously your looks are a huge part of
Speaker 2: you getting cast and whether or not you get a
Speaker 2: certain type of role. But she said she always appreciated
Speaker 2: that she was somebody who could play different characters because
Speaker 2: it impacted her view on her own beauty. She said, Inevitably,
Speaker 2: you can't be rigid in those contacts. You can't say
Speaker 2: to the makeup person, oh, no, I have to have
Speaker 2: false eyelashes, or I have to have this particular lip
Speaker 2: color because without it, all die if I don't have it.
Speaker 2: She's like, no, I have to give myself over to
Speaker 2: very extreme changes. And that fed through my life as well.
Speaker 2: So I thought that was interesting. You know, people, you know,
Speaker 2: I've even said, and look, we all do our own thing.
Speaker 2: Who wears false eyelashes to the beach, a lot of people,
Speaker 2: who wears heavy makeup playing a sweaty basketball game, A
Speaker 2: lot of women.
Speaker 1: Because it makes them feel good.
Speaker 2: But I thought it was an interesting thing to have
Speaker 2: to see yourself as a different character, not you. You
Speaker 2: have to kind of submit to just what your face
Speaker 2: looks like without.
Speaker 1: All that stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to give your appearance over to somebody else.
Speaker 4: You have to totally submit, and nobody does that day
Speaker 4: and day out. Nobody gets the opportunity to so give
Speaker 4: her and this she has to go be presented in
Speaker 4: front of millions with that look.
Speaker 3: Oh this woman. And I've read up some some of.
Speaker 4: Her history over the past, but she is different, and
Speaker 4: I just I adore this lady for how she's in
Speaker 4: her career and her achievements. And one of the favorite
Speaker 4: things I've ever seen her do was a Super Bowl commercial.
Speaker 4: Remember about the she was telling drink responsibly, you idiots,
Speaker 4: like she was. She was just who was there? It
Speaker 4: might have been Ah, I want to say it was
Speaker 4: Bud Wiser, but I just how she goes about it.
Speaker 4: And one of the biggest things I hate, I hate,
Speaker 4: I hate, I missed she came by GMA once her
Speaker 4: name was on the door. I was stalking and lurking
Speaker 4: all morning trying to and I never got.
Speaker 3: A chance to meet her.
Speaker 1: I've never met her either.
Speaker 3: I did the same with Angela Bassett at GMA, but
Speaker 3: that what worked out.
Speaker 1: You did meet her.
Speaker 3: I am creepy, as Helle.
Speaker 2: Apparently you just started the podcast saying, well, that sounded creepy.
Speaker 1: I'm not creepy. Now you're like, I'm creepy as hell.
Speaker 4: I absolutely I stalked her and never I've never got
Speaker 4: a chance to meet. I never did, but anyway, sees
Speaker 4: I do. I adore and she is absolutely one of
Speaker 4: my celebrity crushes and this just is a furtherance of
Speaker 4: that adoration.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, I know that this is maybe defeating
Speaker 2: the purpose of me saying that, it does help to
Speaker 2: hear men say that they admire love and are even
Speaker 2: attracted to women who are older, who aren't wearing makeup,
Speaker 2: who haven't had a bunch of stuff done to try
Speaker 2: and look younger. I know we shouldn't care about that,
Speaker 2: but hearing you say that actually does matter. And if
Speaker 2: more men were able to because I think we all think, oh,
Speaker 2: see the guy, when he's got money, what does he do?
Speaker 2: He goes and gets someone who's in their twenties. I understand.
Speaker 2: So you do feel like your value you are diminished
Speaker 2: if you don't have that youthful glow about you.
Speaker 1: So it is good to hear men.
Speaker 4: Say look, trust me, most adult men and what I
Speaker 4: mean by that is grown just grown ass man, get it.
Speaker 4: Women get older, the hairgage thinner. There's a wrinkle here,
Speaker 4: there's a stretch mark there. It's not as tight, it's
Speaker 4: not as this. But you know what, there ain't a
Speaker 4: damn thing I can talk to a twenty four year
Speaker 4: old about.
Speaker 3: Like, there's nothing we can sit down and.
Speaker 4: Have a good I mean, I'm not insulting twenty four
Speaker 4: I'm making the point that as you get older, you
Speaker 4: want people who have matched your life experience, who have
Speaker 4: matched your your intake of world events, who have something
Speaker 4: to say. You have no idea roades. It's one of
Speaker 4: the most attractive things you can find as a woman
Speaker 4: in Central Park with a double stroller with juicy sweats
Speaker 4: and a Yankee hat on.
Speaker 3: That's hot, you know what I'm saying. I mean that
Speaker 3: says a lot.
Speaker 4: About her, and not necessarily because her hair is this long,
Speaker 4: and it's got the many extensions, and this nip and
Speaker 4: this tuck and these lifts.
Speaker 1: Brazilian bun lift her and her cleft.
Speaker 3: Knock yourselves out.
Speaker 4: But if I'm telling you, grown men appreciate grown women,
Speaker 4: and I guess that's not coming across enough because too
Speaker 4: often he's successful. Now he's got someone thirty forty. We've
Speaker 4: seen even fifty years younger, knock yourself out. Love can
Speaker 4: look different in a lot of ways with man. Grown
Speaker 4: men recognize grown sexy ass women.
Speaker 2: I love period, Yes, Helen Mirren. I don't call it
Speaker 2: growing old. I call it growing up. So I guess
Speaker 2: the advice is data grown up and maybe you don't
Speaker 2: have to go through all this stuff. And with that, everyone,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for listening to us. We always
Speaker 2: appreciate you. I made me Robach alongside TJ.
Speaker 3: Holmes.
Speaker 1: We will talk to you soon.