1 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: Hey there everybody. It is Saturday, January seventeenth. 2 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 2: And wow, I saw an article this week that I 3 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 2: was so impressed with. 4 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: You love Helen Mirren. 5 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 2: By the way, she's one of your absolute favorite actresses. 6 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: You talk about her quite a bit. 7 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 3: Let mean, that sounded creepy, but yes, I'm a fan. Jesus. 8 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: She is one of those women I think a lot 9 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 2: of us women look up to. 10 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: She's eighty years old. 11 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 2: She's aging beautifully and aging very differently than a lot 12 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 2: of women were seeing that are in the spotlight, certainly 13 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: actors and actresses. And I will say, babe, as a woman, 14 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 2: knowing that a man can look at someone who's eighty 15 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: who has chosen not to do anything surgically to her 16 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 2: face or and she talks about all of this, that 17 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: you can find her sexy and appealing and strong. And 18 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm telling you hearing you say that, actually 19 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: is it just makes sense comforting to women who are aging, like, Wow, 20 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,839 Speaker 2: you can be beautiful, you can be sexy, embracing your age. 21 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 3: Don't listen to me. We don't listen to me about it. 22 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 4: Unfortunately, folks, too too often a man and men and 23 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 4: women look to outside forces to validate, to make them 24 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 4: feel good about what they're doing or how they're looking, 25 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 4: and how the miriad for me is not just her appearance. 26 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 4: And I think she is regarded as classically beautiful in 27 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 4: a lot of circles. She's an eighty year old woman, 28 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 4: and my crush probably started certainly after she was sixty. 29 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 4: But she's absolutely one of my celebrity without a doubt. 30 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 4: And it's not just the way she looks, but the 31 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 4: way she carries herself, her confidence, and yes, it comes 32 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 4: through in an article like this one you're talking about. 33 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 3: She just doesn't give a shit. 34 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 4: She just wants She's just herself and not trying to 35 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 4: put on or be this or be that, and that 36 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 4: is attractive as hell. 37 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that amazing? There were so many nuggets of 38 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 2: wisdom in this article she sat down with L magazine, 39 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 2: and I think, look, I'm fifty two, about to turn 40 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 2: fifty three. But whatever age you are, if you're a 41 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 2: woman listening everyone, I would think most women, unfortunately, are 42 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 2: concerned about aging, what they're going to look like, how 43 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 2: they're going to handle their first wrinkles or their many wrinkles, 44 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 2: or their sagging skin, and are they going to be 45 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: attractive because valuable. 46 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 3: What are we talking about? But what is a concern? 47 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 3: My first wrinkle? 48 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 4: Oh hell, I have a wrinkle now, So this means blank, like, 49 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 4: what is the next thing in the concern? I can 50 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 4: say it generally, but I'm saying I'm asking someone to 51 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 4: articulate it. 52 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 3: What is it. 53 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 4: I'm not going to be able to find a mate, 54 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 4: I'm not going to be as attractive in the office. 55 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 4: They're going to be younger women out. What is the thing? 56 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 2: It actually completely speaks to a woman's value. And I 57 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: remember a friend of mine when she turned sixty, she 58 00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 2: said to me, there is nothing more lonely than being 59 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 2: a middle or older, aging woman because you become invisible 60 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: and you recognize it that all of a sudden, Because 61 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 2: I do think women, without realizing it, recognize their value 62 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 2: or feel their worth in. 63 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: How they're viewed. 64 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 3: So I guess that's never going to change. Is that 65 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 3: where we are? 66 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: I think all of us would like it to change, 67 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 2: But if we're being honest and having an honest conversation, 68 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 2: it's probably not going to change. So you can blame society, 69 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 2: and you can blame the culture, and you can blame 70 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 2: that women have traditionally been given value for their ability 71 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 2: to have children, and your ability to have children is 72 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 2: your ability to attract a man, and your ability to 73 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 2: attract a man has everything to do with how you look. 74 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: So, yes, that is where we are and probably where 75 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: we're going to stay. 76 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 4: But women make different decisions and that's okay. Yeah, you 77 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 4: can make a decision like Helen Miron has, or you 78 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 4: can make a decision like Chris Jenner has. Correct both 79 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 4: are okay, and both send very different messages. But who 80 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 4: is going to be following along at the age as 81 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 4: they're watching at eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, 82 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 4: and fifteen watching Keeping Up with the Kardashians, are they 83 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 4: going to see that as the option or are they're 84 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 4: gonna say, you know what, dame, oh the dame. 85 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 3: What's her name again? 86 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,559 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Helen Mirren one of the movies I've seen, 87 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 4: she's you know what, I'm gonna go with her route 88 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 4: because I don't believe because I got a thirteen year 89 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 4: old now who knows where everything is, and Sophara, that's 90 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 4: a problem for me at least, excuse. 91 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 2: Me, no, And I get that, and we can and 92 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 2: that's something to talk about because I do think though 93 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: an article like this and seeing Helen Mirren be as 94 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 2: confident and as strong and as beautiful as she is, 95 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 2: it is important. And I'm so happy that she spoke 96 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 2: up and spoke out about this because she isn't judging anyone, 97 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 2: but it does give women, young girls, aging women. We're 98 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 2: all getting older obviously by every day, another alternative to 99 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 2: thinking I have to get the surgery, I have to 100 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 2: spend this money. I have to have full lips, I 101 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 2: have to have full hair, I have to have tight 102 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 2: skin in order to feel good about myself. So this 103 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 2: article in l magazine by Helen miron or interviewing Helen 104 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 2: Mirren is important. 105 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: That is why I really wanted. 106 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 2: To do this episode, because what she had to say 107 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 2: is not being heard very loudly by a lot of people. 108 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 3: And will her mercers get amplified? Who knows well? 109 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: Hoping to do so by talking a little bit about 110 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 2: what she said, I started out with my favorite quote 111 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 2: she had during the entire article. She said, I don't 112 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 2: call it growing old, I call it growing up. She 113 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 2: is an adult, and you've always respected that about people 114 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 2: when they act like adults. 115 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 3: You act your age and you look your age. 116 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 4: It's okay to age, and I look, I'm everybody's fighting it, right. 117 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 4: Every commercial you see is of when you watch sports. 118 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 4: It's a rod Gain commercial, right. Those guys want to 119 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 4: hold onto their hair. I mean everybody is vain to 120 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 4: some degree, to a great degree. And while we don't 121 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 4: admit that, I don't know. I don't know where we 122 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 4: get and where she has gotten. I guess when you 123 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 4: have dame in front of your name, you know you 124 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 4: can afford not to give a damn. 125 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, But I don't know. 126 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 4: I'm trying to think of another Who else out there 127 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 4: is aging? Who is elected to their couple of women 128 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 4: Alicia Keys and Pamela Anderson who've made a declaration about makeup? Yep, 129 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 4: Who out there is aging beautifully and gracefully and appropriately. 130 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 4: I'm thinking about the Glenn Closest of the world, the 131 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 4: Meryl Streeps of the world. 132 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 1: The Glenn Closest had work done for sure. 133 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 4: The Angela Bassetts of the world, who doesn't seem to 134 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 4: age at all. 135 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 3: I don't know what she's doing, yes. 136 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 4: But I'm thinking about those women who are I think, 137 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 4: become sexier and more attractive because they are their age 138 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 4: and they look their age and they're acting confidently in 139 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 4: their age. That is attractive. The lip flip thing is 140 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 4: again for everybody else, that's fine. But you see people 141 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 4: trying to in such obvious ways alter and that's fine. 142 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 4: I hate to say it in such a way that 143 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 4: I'm shitting on folks who do that. 144 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 3: That is not the case. I'm just saying you. 145 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 4: I do look at them, and I find value and 146 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 4: attractiveness in people doing things that other people do to 147 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 4: make themselves attractive. 148 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 2: Correct, Yes, And I do think there is this danger, 149 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 2: and look, I struggle with it. I struggle with what 150 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 2: I am doing and what I will potentially do You 151 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 2: start to think about when you get to a certain age, 152 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 2: what will I do when I'm sixty? What will I 153 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 2: do when I'm seventy? Will I get a facelift? Do 154 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: I want any of these things that I see other 155 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 2: women doing. 156 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: I mean, even my twenty three year old. 157 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 2: Sent me when Chris Jenner revealed her second facelift for 158 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 2: her seventieth birthday, she does look incredible. That surgery, or 159 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 2: those surgeries I believe, have been estimated to cost upwards 160 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 2: of two hundred thousand dollars. So it's not available to 161 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 2: the vast majority of us. But you start to wonder, 162 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 2: like that, is that what the ideal look is at 163 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: seventy or do you look at eighty year old Helen 164 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 2: Mirren and say, is that you know is a symbol 165 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 2: of beauty? 166 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 4: But isn't it just to each her own, to each 167 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 4: his and her own? And shouldn't it be that no 168 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 4: one should be criticized Helen Mirren shouldn't be, and Chris 169 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 4: Jenner shouldn't. 170 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: Be, shouldn't be, but the pressures on and the comments 171 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 2: are a plenty, and that is the issue. 172 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: I do think it's interesting. 173 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 2: Helen Mirren, and I appreciate her approach, again completely non judgmental. 174 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 2: But she talked about that early on in her career, 175 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 2: a film director told her she would never have a 176 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: career unless she had a nose job, and she now 177 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 2: says that was one rather silly man. So I love 178 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 2: how she just let that role offer and even as 179 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 2: a young woman wanting to get into the business, she 180 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 2: didn't let that directive put her in that position where 181 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 2: she felt like she had to. 182 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: She did it her way. She kept her is exactly 183 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: as it is. 184 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 2: And it actually made me look at her nose in 185 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 2: this picture is like, wow, could she It's a little crooked, but. 186 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: It's her nose and it's cool and that's her choice. 187 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 4: Well, how many same thing singers, actors that you see 188 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 4: are before in an after picture and they do not 189 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 4: look at all. They have turned themselves into something that 190 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 4: they at least feel is more photogenic, maybe more teleigenic, 191 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 4: and they are wildly successful. 192 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. 193 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 3: Someone can make. 194 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 4: The same argument that yeah, I didn't change mine and 195 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 4: I still made it through. Others will say, yeah, I 196 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 4: change up, and when I did, things took off for me. 197 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 2: I think the point with what Helen Miron is saying 198 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 2: is that she provides another alternative that feels like a 199 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 2: very positive way forward, and we need more of those 200 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 2: folks in the spotlight. So young girls, middle aged girls, 201 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 2: aging women can see that and go I can see 202 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 2: that as a way forward versus feeling the pressure of 203 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 2: doing the opposite. She said, I'm not against plastics, and 204 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 2: I want to say that very clearly. If it makes 205 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 2: someone feel better, then why not. Life is too short 206 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 2: to be miserable about elements. 207 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: Of your face. 208 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 2: How would you feel if Sabine said she wanted to 209 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 2: change or get plastic surgery. 210 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: She wanted to. I don't know whatever it is that 211 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: she would do. She's gorgeous. 212 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 3: Tough conversation. I have to listen. 213 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 4: That's a very very tough conversation. And we spend a 214 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 4: lot of time with her and having conversations about being 215 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 4: very careful about how she dresses, what impression she's giving 216 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 4: to other people. How many of these things do you 217 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 4: really need from Sophora right now? 218 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 2: Now? 219 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 3: What do you need this for? The eyes? And what 220 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:38,079 Speaker 3: is it? 221 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 4: We are constantly engaged with her about what she's doing and. 222 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 3: Look it. What'd you say, eleven to twelve to thirty? 223 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 4: When was the year that it might have been eleven 224 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 4: to twelve, like it was a different child. 225 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I think that's exactly from sixth to seventh grade. 226 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 2: A lot of people will say it's around the time 227 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 2: a girl, it's her period. That is when everything changes, hormones, 228 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 2: body mind. 229 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 4: Different kid, different concerns, everything, hair, how she dresses, what 230 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 4: she's concerned about, how people view her. 231 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 3: It's totally different. 232 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 2: We talk all the time. When we're walking down the street, 233 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 2: we watch people. It's something we love to do. But 234 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 2: you see a girl who is under the age of 235 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 2: ten and under, and the confidence almost every one of 236 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 2: these girls has, walking with just her chest up, her arms, 237 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 2: swinging a skip in her step, doesn't care if her 238 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 2: hair is a mess, what she's wearing, what shoes she 239 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 2: has on, It doesn't matter. 240 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: There's just this freedom, and this a freedom. 241 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 2: To be her, to express herself without worrying about what 242 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 2: she looks like and can see the moment it changes. 243 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, and a few months ago we were literally hiding 244 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 4: in Oculus Mall because she didn't want to be seen 245 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 4: with her dad, because she's worried about how she would 246 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 4: appear to some other friends that she knew were running 247 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 4: around the building. I'm saying, is to that what you're saying, 248 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 4: something happens to where you always say this. Girls realize 249 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 4: how much power they have in their parents. 250 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 2: Yep. 251 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,439 Speaker 4: They start getting attention for it, and now it becomes 252 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 4: so important. And to see that happening with a child 253 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 4: now twelve and thirteen. 254 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 3: Is uncomfortable yep. 255 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 2: And then so you see it happening when they start 256 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 2: realizing their power but then realizing how quickly it could 257 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 2: go away. Then you have the flip side of women 258 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 2: who are in their thirties, forties, fifties, sixties, seeing that power. 259 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 2: I hate to use it like that, but that influence 260 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 2: they have or fading and going away, and so they're 261 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 2: desperate to bring it back. And so you can see 262 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 2: the two ends of that spectrum and what is it? 263 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: One are what is that? 264 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 4: Right as we're doing this, we're just happen to have 265 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 4: the TV on and all these beauty products are being Yes, there's. 266 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 2: A big focus now on these red light masks or 267 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 2: these masks that you could. 268 00:12:58,120 --> 00:12:58,839 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's one. 269 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 3: Of those, but boosting this is mask. 270 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: Look, I'm constantly looking to boost coologen. 271 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 2: You know. Is this struggle like trying to fight aging 272 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 2: and fight nature a little bit without amending how I 273 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 2: look or changing, you know, but you are in a way. 274 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, the Vegas, the Vegas situation. We went 275 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 4: down to a gift shop. We were just trying to 276 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 4: get something in our Vegas hotel, just to grab a 277 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 4: quick something. We were in that two hours and some 278 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 4: dude made us spend untold amounts of money because he 279 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 4: sold you on some beauty product. 280 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 2: It's so true, I fully admit it. Oh my god, 281 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 2: it was you get sucked in. Someone tells you, if 282 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 2: you just put this on your face, you'll look ten 283 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 2: years younger. 284 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: I'm in, who wouldn't be in? I get that. 285 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 2: But when we come back, I want to I want 286 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 2: to get to the part of the article where Helen 287 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 2: Mirren gives an incredible life hack for anyone who. 288 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: Is considering plastic surgery. 289 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 2: She says, do this before you make that appointment with 290 00:13:59,120 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 2: a surgeon. 291 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 4: All right, welcome back here, folks. We'll continue on Amy 292 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 4: and TJ. We are getting beauty tips from eighty year 293 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 4: old Dame Helen Mirren, one of my absolute favorite. She 294 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 4: is one of my celebrity crushes. And we were going 295 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 4: in talking about a hack. All right, this is the thing. 296 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 4: Now everybody has a hack. You want plastic surgery, Oh, 297 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 4: we got a hack for that. Come on, now, can 298 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 4: you really have a hack pleasant for plastic surgery. 299 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: Maybe even for avoiding classic surgery. Honestly, this was my favorite. 300 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 2: This was such a hilarious way to put it, and 301 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 2: I think any woman who's listening to this will admit 302 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: this is so true and actually phenomenal advice. 303 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: I never thought about it like this, she said. 304 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 2: Before contemplating anything, get really good lighting in your bathroom, 305 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 2: so that whenever you look in the mirror, you are 306 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 2: lit beautifully and you look because from that point on 307 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 2: it really doesn't matter. You've just seen that last image 308 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 2: of yourself and think, oh, I look fabulous, and off 309 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 2: you go. It is a lot cheaper than getting a facelift. 310 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 2: I am serious about the good lighting in the bathroom. 311 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 2: Bad lighting is so depressing, so true. I think it 312 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 2: would be a terrible mistake to get plastic surgery when 313 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 2: you're in your twenties. 314 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: Your face changes. 315 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 2: I don't like to criticize or attack people for doing 316 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 2: what makes them happy, but do try to take a 317 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 2: look to sorry, but to try to look like a 318 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 2: fake picture of yourself would be terrible. And that's so interesting. 319 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 2: To try and look like a fake picture of yourself 320 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 2: would be terrible. With all of the filters we have 321 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 2: now and these apps, you can put your pictures through 322 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 2: so many if you really start looking at Instagram and Bibe. 323 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 2: I don't know if guys, but when you zoom in 324 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 2: you can tell when women have airbrushed their wrinkles put 325 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 2: a filter on the picture to make them look dull, 326 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 2: light like perfect. Right, So now you're seeing these pictures 327 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 2: of yourself. You're seeing these pictures of other people, maybe 328 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 2: your friends, maybe people who are of your same age, 329 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 2: and they look phenomenal, like they have no wrinkles. Then 330 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 2: you look at yourself in the mirror with bad lighting 331 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 2: and you think, I'm an old hag. 332 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: I've got to do something about this. That is real. 333 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: You are comparing yourself. 334 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 2: To a fake picture of other people or a fake 335 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 2: picture of yourself, and it's a standard you cannot meet, 336 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 2: and it's depressing. 337 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 4: It makes sense, but that's what everybody's doing every day. 338 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 4: It's the first thing people do when they wake up 339 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 4: in the morning. They pick up the phone and see 340 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 4: what their competitor is doing and how wonderful their life is. 341 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 4: And I say competitor, that could be somebody in off 342 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 4: is that could be a friend. You're competing with that 343 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 4: that thing. So yet it's I hear you don't. Don't 344 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 4: we all understand now? Aren't we all smart enough to 345 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 4: understand what you just said? But we're not strong enough 346 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 4: to stop doing it? 347 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 2: Yes, I think that's a really good way to put it. Yes, 348 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 2: And Helen also offered something that she learned. She said 349 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 2: playing different characters. This is really interesting as an actress, 350 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 2: you'd think, okay, you're an act or. I even wondered, 351 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 2: you know, obviously your looks are a huge part of 352 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 2: you getting cast and whether or not you get a 353 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 2: certain type of role. But she said she always appreciated 354 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 2: that she was somebody who could play different characters because 355 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 2: it impacted her view on her own beauty. She said, Inevitably, 356 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 2: you can't be rigid in those contacts. You can't say 357 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 2: to the makeup person, oh, no, I have to have 358 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 2: false eyelashes, or I have to have this particular lip 359 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 2: color because without it, all die if I don't have it. 360 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 2: She's like, no, I have to give myself over to 361 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 2: very extreme changes. And that fed through my life as well. 362 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 2: So I thought that was interesting. You know, people, you know, 363 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 2: I've even said, and look, we all do our own thing. 364 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 2: Who wears false eyelashes to the beach, a lot of people, 365 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 2: who wears heavy makeup playing a sweaty basketball game, A 366 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 2: lot of women. 367 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: Because it makes them feel good. 368 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 2: But I thought it was an interesting thing to have 369 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 2: to see yourself as a different character, not you. You 370 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 2: have to kind of submit to just what your face 371 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 2: looks like without. 372 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: All that stuff. 373 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to give your appearance over to somebody else. 374 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 4: You have to totally submit, and nobody does that day 375 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 4: and day out. Nobody gets the opportunity to so give 376 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,439 Speaker 4: her and this she has to go be presented in 377 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 4: front of millions with that look. 378 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 3: Oh this woman. And I've read up some some of. 379 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 4: Her history over the past, but she is different, and 380 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 4: I just I adore this lady for how she's in 381 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 4: her career and her achievements. And one of the favorite 382 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 4: things I've ever seen her do was a Super Bowl commercial. 383 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 4: Remember about the she was telling drink responsibly, you idiots, 384 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 4: like she was. She was just who was there? It 385 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 4: might have been Ah, I want to say it was 386 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 4: Bud Wiser, but I just how she goes about it. 387 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 4: And one of the biggest things I hate, I hate, 388 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 4: I hate, I missed she came by GMA once her 389 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 4: name was on the door. I was stalking and lurking 390 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 4: all morning trying to and I never got. 391 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 3: A chance to meet her. 392 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: I've never met her either. 393 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 3: I did the same with Angela Bassett at GMA, but 394 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 3: that what worked out. 395 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 1: You did meet her. 396 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 3: I am creepy, as Helle. 397 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 2: Apparently you just started the podcast saying, well, that sounded creepy. 398 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 1: I'm not creepy. Now you're like, I'm creepy as hell. 399 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 4: I absolutely I stalked her and never I've never got 400 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 4: a chance to meet. I never did, but anyway, sees 401 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 4: I do. I adore and she is absolutely one of 402 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 4: my celebrity crushes and this just is a furtherance of 403 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 4: that adoration. 404 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, I know that this is maybe defeating 405 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 2: the purpose of me saying that, it does help to 406 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 2: hear men say that they admire love and are even 407 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 2: attracted to women who are older, who aren't wearing makeup, 408 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 2: who haven't had a bunch of stuff done to try 409 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 2: and look younger. I know we shouldn't care about that, 410 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 2: but hearing you say that actually does matter. And if 411 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 2: more men were able to because I think we all think, oh, 412 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 2: see the guy, when he's got money, what does he do? 413 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 2: He goes and gets someone who's in their twenties. I understand. 414 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 2: So you do feel like your value you are diminished 415 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 2: if you don't have that youthful glow about you. 416 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: So it is good to hear men. 417 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 4: Say look, trust me, most adult men and what I 418 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 4: mean by that is grown just grown ass man, get it. 419 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 4: Women get older, the hairgage thinner. There's a wrinkle here, 420 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 4: there's a stretch mark there. It's not as tight, it's 421 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 4: not as this. But you know what, there ain't a 422 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 4: damn thing I can talk to a twenty four year 423 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 4: old about. 424 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 3: Like, there's nothing we can sit down and. 425 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 4: Have a good I mean, I'm not insulting twenty four 426 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 4: I'm making the point that as you get older, you 427 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 4: want people who have matched your life experience, who have 428 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 4: matched your your intake of world events, who have something 429 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 4: to say. You have no idea roades. It's one of 430 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 4: the most attractive things you can find as a woman 431 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 4: in Central Park with a double stroller with juicy sweats 432 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 4: and a Yankee hat on. 433 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 3: That's hot, you know what I'm saying. I mean that 434 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 3: says a lot. 435 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 4: About her, and not necessarily because her hair is this long, 436 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 4: and it's got the many extensions, and this nip and 437 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 4: this tuck and these lifts. 438 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: Brazilian bun lift her and her cleft. 439 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 3: Knock yourselves out. 440 00:20:55,200 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 4: But if I'm telling you, grown men appreciate grown women, 441 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 4: and I guess that's not coming across enough because too 442 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 4: often he's successful. Now he's got someone thirty forty. We've 443 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 4: seen even fifty years younger, knock yourself out. Love can 444 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 4: look different in a lot of ways with man. Grown 445 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 4: men recognize grown sexy ass women. 446 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 2: I love period, Yes, Helen Mirren. I don't call it 447 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 2: growing old. I call it growing up. So I guess 448 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 2: the advice is data grown up and maybe you don't 449 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 2: have to go through all this stuff. And with that, everyone, 450 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 2: thank you so much for listening to us. We always 451 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 2: appreciate you. I made me Robach alongside TJ. 452 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 3: Holmes. 453 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: We will talk to you soon.