WEBVTT - Piers Morgan, Broadcaster

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<v Speaker 1>Ruthie's Table four is now a book. Paul McCartney, Michael Kay,

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<v Speaker 2>I've probably interviewed three or four thousand people in my life.

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<v Speaker 2>My sort of calculation after all that time is if

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<v Speaker 2>you have the unconditional love of one parent, it's enough

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<v Speaker 2>to power you to the top. It's much harder if

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<v Speaker 2>you have no unconditional love from anybody and the ones

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<v Speaker 2>that make it from that background, of that environment. Really,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm all struck.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone knows Piers Morgan as a journalist, editor and fearless interviewer,

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<v Speaker 1>but I know him also as a person who loves food,

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<v Speaker 1>Having spent his childhood in the pub his family owned

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<v Speaker 1>in East Sussex. We can describe in detail what makes

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<v Speaker 1>a great restaurant. Peers and I have different professions, but

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<v Speaker 1>we do have much in common. His ingredients are words,

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<v Speaker 1>mine or olive oil and basil. We both work to

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<v Speaker 1>strict deadlines, opening hours for me and news to be

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<v Speaker 1>reported for him. Most important though, for both of us,

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<v Speaker 1>is the hunger for a story, whether talking to someone

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<v Speaker 1>in the studio or at a table in the river cafe.

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<v Speaker 1>We're here together on a beautifully sunny day to share

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<v Speaker 1>our stories about food and family, the world we're in.

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<v Speaker 1>What could be better?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's true, it's authentic.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we should start by telling me what to do. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to interview you, but when you mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>the pub, my Fami, we do have this umbilical cord

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<v Speaker 2>which is your brilliant manager, Charlie pullin the River. He's

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<v Speaker 2>been with you how long?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably twenty seven years.

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<v Speaker 2>So Charlie's family and my family were the best of

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<v Speaker 2>family friends down in this East Sussex village area, Fletching

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<v Speaker 2>and Newick. My parents ran the Griffin in.

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<v Speaker 1>But you you bought it from No did he back

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<v Speaker 1>from you?

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<v Speaker 2>So so we sold the Griffin into the Pullen transformed it.

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<v Speaker 2>My brother Rupert became their manager and his fact he's

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<v Speaker 2>going back soon, which is a nice little symmetry to

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<v Speaker 2>the whole thing. Charlie. I know Charlie when he was

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<v Speaker 2>and all his brothers and his family, his mum and dad,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I've always whenever I come in here, said Charlie, pulling.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he's devastated.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to the village.

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<v Speaker 1>He's devastated that he's not here. But what was it

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<v Speaker 1>like growing up then? What was it like being in

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<v Speaker 1>having the pub?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you love about it? I loved the egalitarian

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<v Speaker 2>nature of a pub in those days. Country pub was

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<v Speaker 2>very simple. Everyone would go in so in our area we'd.

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<v Speaker 1>Have the lord of this is on a Sunday or

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<v Speaker 1>is it every day?

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<v Speaker 2>We were in there, so I would see, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you look through the door and you see the lord

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<v Speaker 2>of the manner and the local carpenter. And it was

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<v Speaker 2>very egalitarian. It didn't you could.

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<v Speaker 1>Rule them during the day, but then you drink together

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<v Speaker 1>at night.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, exactly, and it was And what I liked about

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<v Speaker 2>it was as long as you could stand, you around

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<v Speaker 2>and have a conversation, everyone was kind of the same.

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<v Speaker 2>You were in there, and all types of people from

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<v Speaker 2>all backgrounds. And I remember being about six or seven

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<v Speaker 2>and the school, my local primary school in Fletching the village,

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<v Speaker 2>sending back a warning letter to my mother that I

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<v Speaker 2>was smelling of alcohol abitual thing in later life, but

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<v Speaker 2>six a bit of it. It was because I used

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<v Speaker 2>to earn pocket money by doing the bottling up, so

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<v Speaker 2>all the empties had to be refilled. Would remove the empties,

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<v Speaker 2>go down to the cellar, bring up the full ones,

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<v Speaker 2>and I would get fifty p fifty pence an hour,

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<v Speaker 2>a dollar a dollar for about an hour's work. But

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<v Speaker 2>of course it would leave you entering the cell stinking

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<v Speaker 2>of bit. So I'd arrived at school age six, and

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<v Speaker 2>they'd be like, this kid has a problem. Years old.

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<v Speaker 1>They were call social services or something. Yeah, that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>But did you like that? I mean, did you.

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<v Speaker 2>Think it seemed very like I look back on a

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<v Speaker 2>very innocent, very harmless and that was that was his life.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you were. But you did have a tragedy

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<v Speaker 1>you now of your father?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I thought when I was I was one, so

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<v Speaker 2>I was very very young.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and your mother was doing my.

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<v Speaker 2>Mother was she was just at the time twenty years old,

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<v Speaker 2>pregnant with mine. Yeah, she was pregnant pregnant with my brother,

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<v Speaker 2>who became an army officer, and it was incredibly traumatic

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<v Speaker 2>obviously for her and the family.

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<v Speaker 1>How did he die?

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<v Speaker 2>He died. He had a condition involving ulcers perforated and

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<v Speaker 2>then now it'd be easily treatable. Back then, in the

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<v Speaker 2>sixties it was a killer, and it was very sad.

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<v Speaker 2>He was in his early thirties. I never knew him, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>but my dad came along, who swept up, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>my mum and these two young boys, and he's been

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<v Speaker 2>my dad ever since.

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<v Speaker 1>And did you so that what was he doing? What

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<v Speaker 1>was his job?

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<v Speaker 2>He was actually running nightclubs in the south of France.

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<v Speaker 2>He gave it up. He gave it up to come

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<v Speaker 2>and take care of us, which when I look back

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<v Speaker 2>on it now, was an amazing sacrifice to make. He

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<v Speaker 2>was in his mid twenties.

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<v Speaker 1>Love, your mother must have been.

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<v Speaker 2>She was quite something. Something is quite something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's still.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're both getting strong, bothies looking very.

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<v Speaker 1>Glam You remember food that you're ate as a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they were both great cooks in the paper, both

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<v Speaker 2>great and remain great cooks. So whenever I go down,

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<v Speaker 2>we have amazing ros or we have amazing dinners or

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<v Speaker 2>amazing fry up breakfast. And it all came from when

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<v Speaker 2>they ran the pub. They used to do seven days

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<v Speaker 2>a week.

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<v Speaker 1>Did your parents your stepfather and mother have other children.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, brother and sister Kemelo.

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<v Speaker 1>So there are four of you going up, all in

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<v Speaker 1>this village or in the puberty. They all of them

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<v Speaker 1>have a relationship with the food in the past.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, my sister's are very good cook My

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<v Speaker 2>brother became the manager of the Griffin It so he

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<v Speaker 2>was supervising the restaurant and is now going back there actually,

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<v Speaker 2>so that pub has been a huge part of our

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<v Speaker 2>family's life for a long time. But yeah, I've always

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<v Speaker 2>been I've always been gravitated to. This is what I love,

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<v Speaker 2>the River Cafe. I'm not just saying that because you

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<v Speaker 2>are the River Cafe, but I love the simplicity of

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<v Speaker 2>so much of what you do. It's beautifully cooked, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's nothing like I don't like going places where it's

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<v Speaker 2>overly fancy, you know, all sort of million tasting to

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<v Speaker 2>any of that kind of thing. I like coming here.

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<v Speaker 1>I say, the worst two words in the English language

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<v Speaker 1>are tasting menu.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, I like. I like just the simplicity of

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<v Speaker 2>what you do, beautifully cooked, and that's the magic. Thinking

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<v Speaker 2>River Cafe.

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<v Speaker 1>Were you exposed to we did you come to London?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you go to Greek restaurants or Indian restaurants?

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<v Speaker 2>When I came I came to London, I was about nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>But before that did your parents No?

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<v Speaker 2>Not really? Yeah, and did you think you a broad?

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<v Speaker 2>Before I ask you?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you go abroad?

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't have a lot of money, We weren't poor,

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<v Speaker 2>and we never I don't remember ever being deprived. But

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<v Speaker 2>when I look back, I don't think my first foreign holiday,

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<v Speaker 2>I was probably about sixteen. Our holidays were shrimping on

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<v Speaker 2>Hastings Beach and I loved it.

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<v Speaker 1>Because your father was in south of France, he came back.

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<v Speaker 2>And he became a publican, and so they ran the

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<v Speaker 2>country pub. And then yeah, my dad then ran a food,

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<v Speaker 2>fine food business. He was the intermediately we go to

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<v Speaker 2>markets and get food and game and poultry and fish

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff for hotels and restaurants. He did that for

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<v Speaker 2>many years, run his own business, did fantastically well, and

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<v Speaker 2>now he's I called him a professional gardener. Spends most

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<v Speaker 2>of his time in the garden, which looks unbelievable. They

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<v Speaker 2>are very creative, talented people, my parents, who love their food,

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<v Speaker 2>love entertaining. It's always been the bedrock of.

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<v Speaker 1>Art and we were politics part of your discussion as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you talk about it. I'm the least opinionated member

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<v Speaker 2>of my family. I'm glad to meet the other one. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm actually being completely serious. They're all highly opinionated, but

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<v Speaker 2>we try to steer clear of too much political Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it'd be fair to say there are a

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<v Speaker 2>few flashpoints we avoid.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And Mike Blumberg talked about his family growing up.

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<v Speaker 1>In his family, he said that they had an assignment,

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<v Speaker 1>which was and actually the Bidens were that way as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently there's Irish family that at the dinner table everybody

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<v Speaker 1>had to kind of one person would be chosen to

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<v Speaker 1>say what they'd done that day. And he thought that

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<v Speaker 1>was really good because it would make you think what

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<v Speaker 1>you were doing that day. It was just something that

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<v Speaker 1>I would want to report at the table.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I remember Rupert Murdoch has been a great mentor

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<v Speaker 2>of mine to whenever they have meals as a family,

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<v Speaker 2>they would just choose something in the need to debate.

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<v Speaker 2>And I do that often with my kid. I've got

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<v Speaker 2>four kits thirty two down to fourteen, and we often

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<v Speaker 2>will just debate stuff that I encourage them. I said, Look,

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<v Speaker 2>we live in a weird world where people feel they

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<v Speaker 2>can't express themselves freely. They can't express their own opinions

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<v Speaker 2>about stuff. I said, you can't be you can't be

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<v Speaker 2>suppressed in that way. We live in a great, thriving

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<v Speaker 2>democracy and you've got to be brave enough to say

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<v Speaker 2>what you think, not worry about whether people like it

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<v Speaker 2>or not. And I said, there's too much censorship that's

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<v Speaker 2>gone on. I do a show now called Piers Morgan

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<v Speaker 2>Uns for a reason because I want people to watch

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<v Speaker 2>it and understand when I say things. I have no

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<v Speaker 2>paid master on my own boss. This is my freely

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<v Speaker 2>held opinion. You may not like it. If you have

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<v Speaker 2>a better opinion, then you can change my mind. Great,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll listen to it. I'm very happy to change my

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<v Speaker 2>mind if facts change or you present a more compelling argument.

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<v Speaker 2>But this idea that we can live in a democracy

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<v Speaker 2>like ours or America and you feel too afraid of

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<v Speaker 2>consequence and backlash and intimidation and frankly bullying on social

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<v Speaker 2>media to say what you really think. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>a really tragic symptom of modern time.

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<v Speaker 1>You could also argue, if I were going to from

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<v Speaker 1>a person maybe of a different that we've had this

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<v Speaker 1>in fascist countries for a long time. We had it

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<v Speaker 1>in Argentina, we've had it in Chile, We've had it

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<v Speaker 1>in you know, Soviet Union, so that it's always been there.

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<v Speaker 1>It has been part of those cultures, you know. And

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<v Speaker 1>so that's also someone something that we always wanted to fight,

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't it? The censorship imposed government democracy?

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<v Speaker 2>So free speech has to be the bedrock of a democracy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the freedom of speech and expression. In America, you have

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<v Speaker 2>the First Amendment. It's a very powerful tool which comes

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<v Speaker 2>under attack a lot. And there's a lot of hypocrisy

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<v Speaker 2>about the First Amendment, where people one rule for their

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<v Speaker 2>side and not for the others and so on that

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<v Speaker 2>I think you've got to be intellectually honest, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I try and be intellectually honest. People may not like

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying, but at least they can trust that

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<v Speaker 2>it's an honestly held opinion. And I'm not saying it

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<v Speaker 2>because I want to appeal to left or right or

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<v Speaker 2>anybody else. Because I don't want to be boxed into

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<v Speaker 2>any of those places. I don't want to be partisan.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be seen as biased. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to be seen as somebody who will get everybody on,

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<v Speaker 2>have hopefully stimulating debate from people who care passionately about issues,

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<v Speaker 2>and let viewers decide.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think that I we'll talk more about because

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<v Speaker 1>I do want to learn more about being an interviewer.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do think you take me skill.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think you listen, you know. I do think

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<v Speaker 1>that watching you as I do very often, that you

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<v Speaker 1>know you're quite you get these two people together and

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<v Speaker 1>that there's that battle, but you ask the questions, but

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<v Speaker 1>you do listen, And I think that is something that tribalism.

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<v Speaker 2>Tribalism has become a big problem where I think people

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<v Speaker 2>they don't care if facts change that are reflect negatively

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<v Speaker 2>on their side. They will stick intransigently to their position.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, some people's idea of free speech is that

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<v Speaker 2>you agree with everything that people say. If they're saying

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<v Speaker 2>what you want them to say, that's not free speech. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the ability to listen to someone saying the complete

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<v Speaker 2>opposite to what you believe and accepting they have a

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<v Speaker 2>right to believe it.

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<v Speaker 1>But we also make choices, and you must make choices

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<v Speaker 1>as an editor every day. You make choices about what

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<v Speaker 1>you going, who you're going to have on your show,

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<v Speaker 1>what you can, and that is a freedom I think

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<v Speaker 1>that you can say.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a conversation last night with my team. We

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<v Speaker 2>did a debate last night about Iran, and I felt

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<v Speaker 2>that although we had attempted to book a fair debate

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<v Speaker 2>between two different sets of people who had different views

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<v Speaker 2>about this, actually it felt in the moment throughout the

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<v Speaker 2>hour debate it skewed a little bit three to one,

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<v Speaker 2>and I said, I'm not happy about that. We had

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<v Speaker 2>three people who were broadly against the war, and we

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<v Speaker 2>had one former British Army officer in favor of what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on. I said, that doesn't work my show, and

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<v Speaker 2>we had a long chat about it. I said, it's

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<v Speaker 2>always got to be fair. The whole point of what

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<v Speaker 2>I do is if it's one against one, or two

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<v Speaker 2>against two, or three against three, whatever it may be,

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<v Speaker 2>it's got to be fair. And you can't have the

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<v Speaker 2>viewers watching your hang on they're ganging up on this.

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<v Speaker 2>That to me, is not what I want my show

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<v Speaker 2>to be about. I want it to be a fair

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<v Speaker 2>and spirited debate between equal numbers of people that have

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<v Speaker 2>in you about something.

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<v Speaker 1>I can quite often tell the people who've been brought

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<v Speaker 1>up at love and think there's a quality of people

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<v Speaker 1>that have had that confidence with you.

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<v Speaker 2>I've probably interviewed three or four thousand people in my

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<v Speaker 2>life of all different types. You've probably met eating in

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<v Speaker 2>a restaurant. But I was interviewing on the Wimbledon News

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<v Speaker 2>when I was a young journalist, trainee journalist. But my

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<v Speaker 2>sort of calculation after all that time is if you

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<v Speaker 2>have the unconditional love of one pairent, it's enough to

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<v Speaker 2>power you to the top. It's much harder if you

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<v Speaker 2>have no unconditional love from anybody. And the ones that

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<v Speaker 2>make it from that background and that environment have really

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<v Speaker 2>I'm all struck about them, because how you barrel through

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<v Speaker 2>life coming from a place of no unconditional love anywhere

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<v Speaker 2>is incredibly hard to fathom. But I think if you

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<v Speaker 2>have one parent, at least prefer me to one parent

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<v Speaker 2>or a grandparent, whoever it may be. But there's someone

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<v Speaker 2>that looks at you and says, I absolutely believe in you,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can go as another game a postcard and

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<v Speaker 2>it had a flock of seagulls and a hippopotamus fine

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<v Speaker 2>with them, and it just had a headline ambition knows

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<v Speaker 2>no bounds, and it's still on my desk, and she

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<v Speaker 2>gave me that when I was in my teen years.

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<v Speaker 1>I have one which was never give a party without margaritas.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good one. I actually brought one with me

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<v Speaker 2>because I was checking no checking River Cafe moments in

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<v Speaker 2>my life and I found on something which I thought

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<v Speaker 2>was great, and it was two lines, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>the memorial you did here for Ed Victor, who was

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<v Speaker 2>my wife, Celia's literary agent, and we used to go

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<v Speaker 2>out with him a lot, and he was one of

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<v Speaker 2>the live's great men. And you had a lovely party here.

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<v Speaker 2>And there were two things that came out and from

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<v Speaker 2>people talking about him. One was Dylan Jones, who was

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<v Speaker 2>of GQ great friend of mine, who quoted Ed as saying,

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<v Speaker 2>I perceive life as a long highway littered with green lights,

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<v Speaker 2>which I thought was a brilliant phrase, and it really

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<v Speaker 2>appealed to my eternal optimism. You know, you are really

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<v Speaker 2>glass half full of glass. Your first thought of any

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<v Speaker 2>difficult challenges, either positive or negative. And people rarely stray

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<v Speaker 2>from their natural reactions. They tend to be pretty negative

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<v Speaker 2>or pretty positive. And when I get a negative burst.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always trying to say, come on, unless you're actually

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<v Speaker 2>dead or terminally, there's a way out of everything, as

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<v Speaker 2>I prove it over the years. But the other thing

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<v Speaker 2>which I really liked was ed Nigella laws Yes, once

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<v Speaker 2>asked how I was and what I began to tell him.

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<v Speaker 2>He stopped me and said, Nigella, if somebody ask you

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<v Speaker 2>how you are, they don't ever actually want to know.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I remember that too. Yeah care, Yeah, somebody

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<v Speaker 1>asks your heart, they don't really care. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't really care. So coming from this life of

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<v Speaker 1>feeling that love, having the pub this you know, Dyllic,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean your mother coming out of a tragedy.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine the tragedy of having being pregnant and

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<v Speaker 1>having a little child and then and then growing up here.

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<v Speaker 1>What happened when you left, I mean when you left

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<v Speaker 1>that community, when you came to London and use was

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<v Speaker 1>it London that you came to and how did that?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you live by yourself?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you I went to journalism college in Harlow in

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<v Speaker 2>Essex and lived with the family there, as we all did.

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<v Speaker 1>On the family you knew.

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<v Speaker 2>Or local family, which lovely to me.

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<v Speaker 1>What did you learn in journalism school? That member?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what I learned the basics of journalists, which really helpful,

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<v Speaker 2>Like shorthand. Now nobody uses short hand anymore. It was

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<v Speaker 2>an invaluable tool. Sure, hand's actually great. I can still

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<v Speaker 2>do it a little bit, but now everyone uses recorders,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's a different thing. I think I learned. The

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<v Speaker 2>one thing I learned about my whole journalism career was

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<v Speaker 2>embedded from that early training, which was it actually plays

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<v Speaker 2>into my brother's unofficial regimental motto, the regular way the matter.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we have to write all these.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd like it applies, it's the seven piece seven p's

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<v Speaker 2>planning and preparation like that prevent piss poor performance.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh did he make that up?

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<v Speaker 2>Non official? I like it, Yeah, And that was instilled

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<v Speaker 2>into us. You can never do enough preparation.

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<v Speaker 1>That I agree with.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I say the same, the same before a

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<v Speaker 2>big interview with anything.

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<v Speaker 1>But I know that when I have to do something

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<v Speaker 1>that I am nervous about and everybody says, relax, it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be fine. That's I went on Jimmy Fallon, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was so wound up about.

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<v Speaker 2>How I was going to do.

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<v Speaker 1>And the worst advice that people would give me on

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<v Speaker 1>the day was just be yourself. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how to, you know, I didn't know what I was

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to do with that, and so instead I just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of locked myself in the room and read every

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<v Speaker 1>page of the book and worked in and then then

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<v Speaker 1>he came in and then he was amazing, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's warm, and gave me a hug and we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to do this. But it was having done that that

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<v Speaker 1>I could then relax. But everybody's different, so.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you can wing it in a kitchen,

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<v Speaker 2>in a newsroom, on a sports field, yeah, they'll all

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<v Speaker 2>tell you. I mean, my favorite athlete sportsman are people

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<v Speaker 2>like a very good friend of mine is not Christiano Ronaldo,

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<v Speaker 2>who's a football.

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<v Speaker 1>Player, is a friend of yours.

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<v Speaker 2>Very good. Yeah, And it became the most random thing

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<v Speaker 2>where he messaged me one day. He's the most followed

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<v Speaker 2>human being on Instagram at all. Isn't six hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty million twenty five er sent more than about other

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<v Speaker 2>human being on the planet. So he's probably the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>start follow him.

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<v Speaker 1>He probably needs another person probably does.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you get on you but he loves his food.

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<v Speaker 2>But he he just came from absolutely nothing. His dad

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<v Speaker 2>had died when he was very young. He'd been in

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<v Speaker 2>the Portugal a girl of war and he turned to

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<v Speaker 2>drink afterwards. And it's very sad for the family. And

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<v Speaker 2>never really saw Christiana become the superstar, and he was

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<v Speaker 2>and that really moved me. On the first time he interviewed,

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<v Speaker 2>he got very emotional. But he contacted me. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>most random connection through Instagram. He messaged me one day

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<v Speaker 2>out of the blue. I've never met him to say

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<v Speaker 2>he loved my crime documentaries where I sit down with

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<v Speaker 2>the American serial killers and psychopaths, and he wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to me about them. So he ran me the

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<v Speaker 2>next day. We had an hour and a half conversation

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<v Speaker 2>about psychopaths. But actually he actually contacted you. And now

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<v Speaker 2>after that we become good friends and messaged each other.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time, I've done three big interviews with him.

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<v Speaker 2>But he is the absolute templar, I would say of

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<v Speaker 2>the seven Bees. He is somebody that leads nothing to chance.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything is incredibly well practiced. Everything he does, he's the

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<v Speaker 2>first in last out. He's in his forties now, he's

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<v Speaker 2>still breaking rec now still in the pursuit of greatness,

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<v Speaker 2>of immortality. He wants to improve all the time. All

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<v Speaker 2>he cares about is getting better. And he's forty one

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<v Speaker 2>years old and he's broken every record, everything in the game.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that. And I interviewed Novak Djokovic recently, same thing,

0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:42.919
<v Speaker 2>greatest tennis prayer of all time, same mentality, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>could remember he told me about being in Belray when

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<v Speaker 2>NATO attacked and the bombs were reigning over the family

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<v Speaker 2>home and they had ten equivalent of ten pounds to

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<v Speaker 2>spend on food a week. And now he's the greatest

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<v Speaker 2>tennis player that's ever lived in worth gazillions, but he's

0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:02.199
<v Speaker 2>ever forgotten. I mean, they both talked about hunger and

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<v Speaker 2>how the one thing Christiana said he can't give his

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<v Speaker 2>own son, who's now playing for Portugal age fifteen, is

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<v Speaker 2>a very good player. He said, the one thing I

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<v Speaker 2>can't give him is actual hunger. And he told me

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<v Speaker 2>this fabulous story that when he was twelve he was

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<v Speaker 2>so hungry. He went to the Sporting Lisbon Academy in

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<v Speaker 2>Portugal age twelve and very gifted player, but he was

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<v Speaker 2>starving all the time, and eventually him and his mate

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<v Speaker 2>used to walk down the road and wait outside the

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<v Speaker 2>back of McDonald's and two ladies who worked in McDonald's

0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:35.680
<v Speaker 2>would take pity on them and give them burgers. And

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<v Speaker 2>he was telling me the store and I said, you

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<v Speaker 2>haven't know you ever seen these women? He went, nice,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd love to meet. We watched this huge hunt for

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<v Speaker 2>these two. We never found them, so we assuen m

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<v Speaker 2>it'd either died or moved away or whatever. And then

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<v Speaker 2>the last time I saw Christiana in read last year,

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<v Speaker 2>he suddenly said, Pierce, he said, I met one of

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<v Speaker 2>the McDonald's ladies. I went well, he said, lisbon Airport.

0:21:59.240 --> 0:22:00.959
<v Speaker 2>I was walking through it. She came up to Michigan,

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<v Speaker 2>went on one of the McDonald's lady and he said,

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to go and take care of them. And

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<v Speaker 2>what a lovely story.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it goes around comes around. Now that you

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<v Speaker 1>have that connection. When you went to work, the first

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<v Speaker 1>job was it.

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<v Speaker 2>My first proper job was the Stretum and Tooting News

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<v Speaker 2>in Tooting.

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<v Speaker 1>Broadway, that local newspaper.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I went to the Wimbledon News.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was that was it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a Wimbledon higher than the strategy I was

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<v Speaker 2>moving up in the world. I got to it was

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<v Speaker 2>right in the middle of Broadway. It was it was

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<v Speaker 2>carnage to start with him in the crime alone in

0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:38.520
<v Speaker 2>that area then was rife, so it was it was

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<v Speaker 2>a very interesting beat to cover. So I had to

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<v Speaker 2>go to the police stations and sit down with the

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<v Speaker 2>police once a week and what's happened on your patch?

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<v Speaker 2>I loved it. And then I went to the Wimbledon

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<v Speaker 2>News and then I remember my first big scoop was

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<v Speaker 2>I infiltrated security at Wimbledon Tennis. We had a tip

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<v Speaker 2>if you go through that fence between this time and

0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:04.840
<v Speaker 2>that time, they don't guard it, so we went through

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<v Speaker 2>with the photographer. I ended up getting into the Royal

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<v Speaker 2>Box where a famous England cricket legend called Colin Cowdrey

0:23:12.840 --> 0:23:15.000
<v Speaker 2>was there and served me a gin and tying, not

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<v Speaker 2>knowing who I was. And then I went down to

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<v Speaker 2>the players dressing room and was actually in there with

0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:21.480
<v Speaker 2>some of the top players. This is back in the

0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:27.239
<v Speaker 2>in the early eighties and we speak John probably and

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<v Speaker 2>they were all like, what are you doing here? And

0:23:28.440 --> 0:23:30.640
<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, anyway. We then did a big

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<v Speaker 2>exposed the front page exposed Wimbledon's security scandal, which got picked.

0:23:34.720 --> 0:23:36.879
<v Speaker 1>Up, managed to breach the security.

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<v Speaker 2>We did them a massive favour. Could have been a

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<v Speaker 2>terrorist anyway. They responded by banning me for life. The

0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:50.120
<v Speaker 2>chairman was a guy called Basa Huddingham to buzzer Baser anyway,

0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:52.359
<v Speaker 2>he sent me a letter banning me from me all

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<v Speaker 2>in the club for life. I don't think they enforce it.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been, you've been back, You've been to the big graces.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd actually done them a favor of.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing, you know, talking about models and speeches that

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<v Speaker 1>I was reading because a friend of mine is giving

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<v Speaker 1>commencement address in the States and Federer do you know

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<v Speaker 1>that he when he gave his speech at Harvard for commencement,

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<v Speaker 1>he said something like, you know, I am one of

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<v Speaker 1>the great tennis players. I will say that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just want you to know you can look

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<v Speaker 1>at all the games that I've won, and then just

0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:25.880
<v Speaker 1>look at all the games that I've lost and how

0:24:25.920 --> 0:24:28.600
<v Speaker 1>many games I've lost. And his whole point was that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, failure is part of the deal.

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<v Speaker 2>So much more so the ones your friend when you're successful. Yeah,

0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:41.640
<v Speaker 2>I've had great times of success and great plummeting falls,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've actually much preferred the falls. You worker, who

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<v Speaker 2>probably would turn up at your funeral your proper mates are.

0:24:52.280 --> 0:24:54.680
<v Speaker 2>You realize how important family is because they're always at

0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:59.080
<v Speaker 2>like a ring fencing protective umbrella. And also the value

0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:01.919
<v Speaker 2>of a local pub. Back to the pub, Back to

0:25:01.920 --> 0:25:04.200
<v Speaker 2>the pub where everyone Back to food?

0:25:04.280 --> 0:25:06.280
<v Speaker 1>Did you ever you know when you were in this

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<v Speaker 1>world of when you're on Fleet Street?

0:25:08.280 --> 0:25:11.919
<v Speaker 2>Was that two shifts in Fleet only?

0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:13.200
<v Speaker 1>That was the news of the world.

0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:18.879
<v Speaker 2>I was The Sun's show business correspondent. I did the

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<v Speaker 2>show Wow.

0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:22.520
<v Speaker 1>Did you go? Yeah? What was that like? Did you

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<v Speaker 1>go for dinner? Where did you eat?

0:25:24.320 --> 0:25:27.200
<v Speaker 2>In those days we had unlimited expensive cast I flew

0:25:27.240 --> 0:25:30.240
<v Speaker 2>around the world first class or business class, stayed five stars.

0:25:30.800 --> 0:25:34.359
<v Speaker 2>That was the biggest selling paper is selling four million

0:25:34.359 --> 0:25:37.600
<v Speaker 2>copies at the time, and it was a fantastic life.

0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:40.480
<v Speaker 2>I went to interview the biggest stars in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you do it over food? Would you do what

0:25:44.760 --> 0:25:47.520
<v Speaker 1>did you learn about people interviewing them in the restaurant?

0:25:47.560 --> 0:25:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Would you alcohol? Loosens, tongues? It's quite surprise there wasn't

0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:54.320
<v Speaker 2>a couple of the gronies.

0:25:54.359 --> 0:25:58.919
<v Speaker 1>In another matter, you would drink. You said, no, we did.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think we have to worry about listening.

0:26:01.680 --> 0:26:05.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't think, but I think if you can get

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<v Speaker 2>people that I actually would prefer to have a social

0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:12.800
<v Speaker 2>encounter with somebody the day before I may interviewed him,

0:26:13.480 --> 0:26:16.639
<v Speaker 2>so you establish a rapport. I remember Bill Clinton. I

0:26:16.760 --> 0:26:20.439
<v Speaker 2>interviewed him after he stopped being president. But I interviewed

0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:23.560
<v Speaker 2>him for CNN, and it was going to be a

0:26:23.640 --> 0:26:26.399
<v Speaker 2>live hour long thing, big bad. I've got one thing,

0:26:27.000 --> 0:26:31.119
<v Speaker 2>and he we decided we had a little drinks the

0:26:31.160 --> 0:26:33.400
<v Speaker 2>other night before and I met him for the first

0:26:33.400 --> 0:26:35.680
<v Speaker 2>time and we had a really nice chat for about

0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:37.840
<v Speaker 2>half an hour, and I just felt like we've got

0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:40.280
<v Speaker 2>a bit of a connection. So when we started the interview,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was a to show you how brilliant he

0:26:43.760 --> 0:26:46.840
<v Speaker 2>was as a politician, because to meet Bill Clinton, I

0:26:47.000 --> 0:26:49.760
<v Speaker 2>was thinking about the greatest politicians of my lifetime. He'd

0:26:49.760 --> 0:26:53.840
<v Speaker 2>be right up there, unbelievably smart, but had brilliant political antennae.

0:26:54.240 --> 0:26:56.600
<v Speaker 2>Brilliant politicians you can buy in both the politics and

0:26:56.720 --> 0:26:59.760
<v Speaker 2>the m yes and intelligence. And he's very well read.

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<v Speaker 2>But he I said to him, Bono had come to

0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:06.800
<v Speaker 2>town for the It was the Clinton Global Initiative, and

0:27:06.800 --> 0:27:08.920
<v Speaker 2>he was going to do something the next day, and

0:27:09.280 --> 0:27:13.560
<v Speaker 2>he'd done a stunt where he'd imitated Bill Clinton and

0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:16.960
<v Speaker 2>it had gone viral on social media. And I said

0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:18.639
<v Speaker 2>to Bill Clinton, have you seen this? He hadn't seen it,

0:27:19.080 --> 0:27:21.280
<v Speaker 2>played it to him on my phone. He went, that's

0:27:21.320 --> 0:27:24.280
<v Speaker 2>actually pretty funny. I went yeah. I said, if you

0:27:24.440 --> 0:27:27.960
<v Speaker 2>money chance, do a bono impression. And you wanted to

0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:31.200
<v Speaker 2>start the interview tomorrow By unleashing it on the world,

0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:35.360
<v Speaker 2>I can guarantee everyone will go nuts and it will

0:27:35.560 --> 0:27:39.200
<v Speaker 2>go viral. And he wanted publicity for his initiative is weak,

0:27:39.720 --> 0:27:41.440
<v Speaker 2>so he said he didn't say anything. He just went

0:27:42.760 --> 0:27:45.480
<v Speaker 2>the next day, is sitting there, We're going live in

0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:49.240
<v Speaker 2>twenty seconds, is giving no sign of doing anything. It

0:27:49.520 --> 0:27:52.760
<v Speaker 2>found me there, there's John Glenn, the astronaut, Barbara Streison's

0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:56.800
<v Speaker 2>and the audience's Hillary's there, Chelsea's there. It's an amazing

0:27:56.880 --> 0:28:00.280
<v Speaker 2>star studied crowd in the room. Plus it's been beamed

0:28:00.280 --> 0:28:03.919
<v Speaker 2>to millions around the world. And then I opened up,

0:28:04.040 --> 0:28:05.960
<v Speaker 2>not knowing what he would do. So it's like this

0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:10.040
<v Speaker 2>could have been excruciating, and I said, President Clinton, it's

0:28:10.080 --> 0:28:12.080
<v Speaker 2>great to see it. And to finally get to interview,

0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:14.239
<v Speaker 2>I said, and I want to start with the thing

0:28:14.320 --> 0:28:18.160
<v Speaker 2>that everyone is talking about surrounding the Clinton Global Initiative

0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:21.040
<v Speaker 2>and obviously leading people to think of something serious. I said,

0:28:21.119 --> 0:28:22.800
<v Speaker 2>it's this, and we played it on the big screen

0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:25.640
<v Speaker 2>and it was Bono doing his impression, and I said,

0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:28.040
<v Speaker 2>do you have a response, President Clinton? I had no

0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:30.159
<v Speaker 2>idea what he did, so it was like the most like,

0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:34.159
<v Speaker 2>come on, give me something, and he just stared at me.

0:28:34.880 --> 0:28:36.359
<v Speaker 2>So you had a suit and he just stared at me,

0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:41.240
<v Speaker 2>gave me nothing, give me nothing. One second, couple of seconds,

0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:45.320
<v Speaker 2>three exact, which is three seconds of painful thing. And

0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:48.080
<v Speaker 2>then he suddenly reached into his pocket, pulled out a

0:28:48.120 --> 0:28:51.320
<v Speaker 2>pair of dark, very dark glasses, and did a two

0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:56.160
<v Speaker 2>minute riff as Bono, which brought the house. It's fantastic

0:28:56.560 --> 0:29:00.480
<v Speaker 2>and it was pure genius. It was political genius. Yeah,

0:29:00.520 --> 0:29:05.000
<v Speaker 2>and I'd thought, wow, you are something else. And he

0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:06.720
<v Speaker 2>just had a gift for that kind of actor.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Bloomberg said that he would when he did interviews

0:29:12.600 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 1>for jobs. When people applied for a job at Bloomberg,

0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:17.680
<v Speaker 1>he would take them to a restaurant because he wanted

0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:19.880
<v Speaker 1>to see how they were with the waiter, how they

0:29:19.920 --> 0:29:22.640
<v Speaker 1>were their food? Did they look the waiter in the eye.

0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:25.560
<v Speaker 1>And he also said something that I'm sure you won't

0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:30.360
<v Speaker 1>agree with is that if someone he was interviewing asked

0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:33.600
<v Speaker 1>for a glass of wine, he wouldn't hire them. Really

0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:36.080
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, and I was with I was somebody sitting

0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:40.440
<v Speaker 1>next to me who said, well, actually being British, he said, well,

0:29:40.520 --> 0:29:44.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, Mike, if I was sitting interviewing somebody for

0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:46.320
<v Speaker 1>a job and they didn't want a glass of wine,

0:29:46.360 --> 0:29:47.280
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't hire them.

0:29:47.480 --> 0:29:49.240
<v Speaker 2>But what do you want to give you a story?

0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:51.960
<v Speaker 2>I'll give you a story. When I was twenty seven

0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:54.760
<v Speaker 2>years old, Yeah, I was the show business editor of

0:29:54.880 --> 0:29:58.280
<v Speaker 2>the Song Yeah, flying all around, having the time in

0:29:58.320 --> 0:30:00.480
<v Speaker 2>my life, right, this was best get in the world,

0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:03.280
<v Speaker 2>flying around into being Paul McCartney and Mick Jagger and

0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:07.440
<v Speaker 2>all these superstars. And then I get an invitation to

0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:09.560
<v Speaker 2>go and have dinner with Rupert Murdock at the Stafford

0:30:09.600 --> 0:30:13.080
<v Speaker 2>Hotel in Saint James's in the private room, and the

0:30:13.320 --> 0:30:17.440
<v Speaker 2>editor of the Sun took us there and there were

0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:19.719
<v Speaker 2>about eight executives and I was the youngest by far,

0:30:20.160 --> 0:30:21.920
<v Speaker 2>so I thought I had nothing to lose never met Rupert,

0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:25.040
<v Speaker 2>so Medham was very excited, and I noticed that he

0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:27.800
<v Speaker 2>was drinking a few glasses of wine. But the editor

0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:31.200
<v Speaker 2>of the Son was having a three month wine who sabbatical,

0:30:31.400 --> 0:30:34.440
<v Speaker 2>so he wasn't, which became crucial. So we got through

0:30:34.480 --> 0:30:37.280
<v Speaker 2>the first course second cause I was just a couple

0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:39.600
<v Speaker 2>of glasses of wine and started being quite garrulous as

0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:41.640
<v Speaker 2>I would, thinking well, I've gotten to loose here at

0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:43.880
<v Speaker 2>all nothing. I'm not going to be doing anything bigger

0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:47.600
<v Speaker 2>than this. And then it got to the end and

0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:51.760
<v Speaker 2>there was a guy sitting to the right of Rupert,

0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:54.560
<v Speaker 2>and then I was next to this guy. They got

0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:57.080
<v Speaker 2>to the end and they went to the editor who

0:30:57.240 --> 0:30:59.960
<v Speaker 2>wasn't drinking first, and they said would you like it looking,

0:31:00.360 --> 0:31:02.000
<v Speaker 2>and he wasn't drinking, so they said no, I'm good,

0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:04.920
<v Speaker 2>thank you. So everyone took their lead from the editor.

0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:08.360
<v Speaker 2>But we better not have one, so they went no, no,

0:31:08.480 --> 0:31:12.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm good, No, no, they're all askers. So they all

0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:14.040
<v Speaker 2>said no, no, no, no, And he got to me

0:31:14.120 --> 0:31:15.800
<v Speaker 2>and I said, well, what would you recommend? And he

0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:19.160
<v Speaker 2>said the peach brandy is very good, So I said

0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:22.320
<v Speaker 2>the peach brandy and the guy next to me he said, yeah,

0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:25.240
<v Speaker 2>I'll have one of those two, and then Rupert said, yeah,

0:31:25.280 --> 0:31:26.440
<v Speaker 2>it's my favorite. Make it three.

0:31:26.720 --> 0:31:26.960
<v Speaker 1>Ah.

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<v Speaker 2>What all I'm saying is within three weeks I had

0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:33.640
<v Speaker 2>been made editor of the Needs of the World, the

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:35.960
<v Speaker 2>biggest selling paper in the world at the time, and

0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:38.080
<v Speaker 2>the other guy had been made editor of The Sun,

0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:40.840
<v Speaker 2>the biggest selling deadly paper in the world. And none

0:31:40.880 --> 0:31:43.479
<v Speaker 2>of the others who turned down the peach brandy got

0:31:43.520 --> 0:31:45.880
<v Speaker 2>anything out of that dinner. And so the moral is,

0:31:45.960 --> 0:31:48.480
<v Speaker 2>if you're ever having dinner with Rupert Murdock, have the

0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:49.240
<v Speaker 2>peach brandy.

0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:50.120
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'll be brave.

0:31:50.680 --> 0:31:52.680
<v Speaker 2>Exactly what you want to do. I think he looked,

0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:55.480
<v Speaker 2>and I personally look back on that and think he

0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:57.920
<v Speaker 2>looked for someone who would make their own mind up.

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<v Speaker 1>If you were interviewing somebody for a job, would you

0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:02.600
<v Speaker 1>want to see how they behaved in a restaurant, or

0:32:02.600 --> 0:32:02.920
<v Speaker 1>would you.

0:32:02.880 --> 0:32:04.760
<v Speaker 2>I want to see how they treat waiters?

0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:06.239
<v Speaker 1>Would you look?

0:32:06.360 --> 0:32:09.160
<v Speaker 2>I think you have. You have here probably the perfect

0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:15.520
<v Speaker 2>environment to assess people's actual character. And I one of

0:32:15.600 --> 0:32:18.360
<v Speaker 2>my pet loathings in the world is people that are

0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:23.200
<v Speaker 2>rude to waiters, or to cab drivers or chauffeurs or

0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:26.800
<v Speaker 2>whatever it may be, particularly when they're rich and privileged

0:32:26.840 --> 0:32:30.320
<v Speaker 2>and successful and should have no excuse, you know. And

0:32:30.560 --> 0:32:33.040
<v Speaker 2>some of the most polite, well mannered people I met

0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:36.480
<v Speaker 2>have nothing, and they've been brought up to have manners.

0:32:36.560 --> 0:32:38.920
<v Speaker 2>My mother, is she ever caught me being rude to

0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:42.440
<v Speaker 2>a waiter, she would go berserk. I do that if

0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:44.880
<v Speaker 2>any of my kids ever have even a whiff of

0:32:45.080 --> 0:32:47.160
<v Speaker 2>entitlement or anything, and they know it, so they don't

0:32:47.560 --> 0:32:49.760
<v Speaker 2>and they would never be rude to waiter. I think

0:32:49.800 --> 0:32:52.720
<v Speaker 2>it's the ultimate litmus test of character. And you know,

0:32:52.800 --> 0:32:54.560
<v Speaker 2>I bet you've had some people in here over the

0:32:54.640 --> 0:32:56.760
<v Speaker 2>years you've just treated your style badly.

0:32:56.880 --> 0:33:00.200
<v Speaker 1>I have to say very few. I mean, I really,

0:33:00.720 --> 0:33:04.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm so and maybe because I don't know the whole

0:33:04.480 --> 0:33:06.920
<v Speaker 1>mood here or whatever it is. And also this is

0:33:07.000 --> 0:33:10.600
<v Speaker 1>the only person I ever bound from the River Cafe ever,

0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:13.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, was somebody who I heard, I actually witnessed

0:33:13.960 --> 0:33:17.440
<v Speaker 1>him being rude to really horrible to waiter and I

0:33:17.600 --> 0:33:20.120
<v Speaker 1>just said out and he called up, you know, I think, Charles,

0:33:20.160 --> 0:33:22.800
<v Speaker 1>and said, just just really really sad, I can come

0:33:22.880 --> 0:33:25.120
<v Speaker 1>back or is that what she was? And he said,

0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:27.600
<v Speaker 1>do you know how much I spend here, you know,

0:33:27.680 --> 0:33:30.200
<v Speaker 1>But there was like a no no, and then he

0:33:30.280 --> 0:33:32.440
<v Speaker 1>said he called me up really upset and he said,

0:33:32.480 --> 0:33:35.080
<v Speaker 1>you know I was not you whatever, And he said,

0:33:35.160 --> 0:33:39.520
<v Speaker 1>can I can I come back like ever? And I said, well,

0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:41.480
<v Speaker 1>you have to write to her and ask her what

0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:44.000
<v Speaker 1>she thinks and you have to apologize and then we'll

0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:46.360
<v Speaker 1>give it time. And he said, I said, but you

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:48.200
<v Speaker 1>can see, we can see, you know, you can talk

0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:50.880
<v Speaker 1>about six months. Are you putting me on the naughty

0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:52.280
<v Speaker 1>step for six months?

0:33:52.320 --> 0:33:56.880
<v Speaker 2>And he said, yeah, that's the did come good, not bad, just.

0:33:58.560 --> 0:33:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Too short.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I use restaurant as a way to soften people up,

0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:06.240
<v Speaker 2>to establish a rap I think that I can be

0:34:06.360 --> 0:34:09.840
<v Speaker 2>quite good company over a good meal, bottle of good wine.

0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:15.000
<v Speaker 2>I think I can establish a rapp all that maybe

0:34:15.320 --> 0:34:17.560
<v Speaker 2>we didn't have before. And if you can do that

0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:20.239
<v Speaker 2>either before, I mean I had a great interviewed Tom

0:34:20.320 --> 0:34:22.920
<v Speaker 2>Hanks at CNM and it was it was it was

0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:24.360
<v Speaker 2>an okay interview. It was with a couple of his

0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:26.680
<v Speaker 2>cast members, and I thought, I wished I knew Tom

0:34:26.760 --> 0:34:28.960
<v Speaker 2>Hanks a bit better than we would have got more

0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:31.239
<v Speaker 2>out of it. And about a month later, I was

0:34:31.239 --> 0:34:33.320
<v Speaker 2>in the Upper East in New York and I was

0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:36.560
<v Speaker 2>sitting in a diner and he just walked in on

0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:39.000
<v Speaker 2>his own and he came over and he said, you

0:34:39.080 --> 0:34:40.640
<v Speaker 2>might if I joined you. And we had a nineteen

0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:43.399
<v Speaker 2>minute last and it was brilliant, and I remember thinking,

0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:45.240
<v Speaker 2>I wish I could interview him tomorrow.

0:34:48.600 --> 0:34:51.120
<v Speaker 1>You have a hunger for a story, for a news story.

0:34:51.520 --> 0:34:54.120
<v Speaker 1>We all have hungers for the stories. If you look

0:34:54.120 --> 0:34:56.480
<v Speaker 1>at every table, I would say to the chefs, you know,

0:34:56.600 --> 0:34:58.759
<v Speaker 1>to the waiters. I've said it millions of times on

0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:02.240
<v Speaker 1>this program, that everybody has a story there. Maybe somebody

0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:05.799
<v Speaker 1>here's celebrating a graduation or having been fired that day,

0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:08.680
<v Speaker 1>or have been given a diagnosis, or saved up for

0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:12.320
<v Speaker 1>a long time. Everybody and that story. So that's what

0:35:12.480 --> 0:35:15.000
<v Speaker 1>you do, and that's what you tell, and is that

0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:18.120
<v Speaker 1>you're kind of north star of getting the story that

0:35:18.320 --> 0:35:18.880
<v Speaker 1>you can with.

0:35:19.239 --> 0:35:21.640
<v Speaker 2>I used to do a show on ITV called Life

0:35:21.680 --> 0:35:25.160
<v Speaker 2>Stories where I would spend three hours interviewing some of

0:35:25.200 --> 0:35:28.680
<v Speaker 2>the biggest stars in the world. And the first I

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:31.120
<v Speaker 2>would be like a normal interview. The second, now that

0:35:31.280 --> 0:35:33.359
<v Speaker 2>barriers would start to come down. About the third day,

0:35:33.400 --> 0:35:36.800
<v Speaker 2>you're getting really deep with people and they're beginning to

0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:39.239
<v Speaker 2>trust you and open up and talk about things in

0:35:39.360 --> 0:35:41.440
<v Speaker 2>a way. I mean, I remember a classic example Michael

0:35:41.480 --> 0:35:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Parkinson and you talk about interviewers. So Parky was a

0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:50.440
<v Speaker 2>great friend of mine, and he finally agreed after fifteen

0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:54.719
<v Speaker 2>seasons to do life stories. He'd always said that for

0:35:55.080 --> 0:35:59.120
<v Speaker 2>he said, for the reason I say, Michael Kane, he'd

0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:00.800
<v Speaker 2>always said to be peers, for the reasons I like

0:36:00.880 --> 0:36:05.600
<v Speaker 2>watching your show. I'll never do it. Parky was the

0:36:05.600 --> 0:36:07.360
<v Speaker 2>same other I didn't want to get that deeper stuff.

0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:09.920
<v Speaker 2>But park eventually agreed. And I went to see him

0:36:09.920 --> 0:36:12.120
<v Speaker 2>in his dressing room before and he said, you will

0:36:12.280 --> 0:36:14.279
<v Speaker 2>make me cry, your bugger, you will made me cry.

0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:16.239
<v Speaker 2>Not a chance. And I thought that there's no chance.

0:36:16.400 --> 0:36:18.960
<v Speaker 2>He's never cried in public in his life. He's a tough,

0:36:19.040 --> 0:36:21.920
<v Speaker 2>gritty yrship. Of course he's not going to cry. And

0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:24.960
<v Speaker 2>then it came in the most unexpected moment. I just

0:36:25.040 --> 0:36:27.280
<v Speaker 2>said to him he was an only child, Marcael Buggerson,

0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:30.400
<v Speaker 2>and he talked about his father and his parents, and

0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:33.399
<v Speaker 2>his father had died fifty years earlier, and I said,

0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:35.719
<v Speaker 2>it's fifty years since your dad passed away, and he

0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:38.200
<v Speaker 2>said yeah, he said, I said, can you remember that day.

0:36:38.880 --> 0:36:40.600
<v Speaker 2>He'd been I think in his early twenties, and he

0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:44.720
<v Speaker 2>started telling the story and then he remembered them bringing

0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:47.600
<v Speaker 2>his father's body down the stairs and how small his

0:36:47.840 --> 0:36:52.680
<v Speaker 2>father seemed, and with that he just crumbled and he

0:36:52.800 --> 0:36:56.160
<v Speaker 2>then sobbed in front of a live audience. We didn't

0:36:56.239 --> 0:36:59.239
<v Speaker 2>run most of it. He sobbed for about five minutes

0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:02.360
<v Speaker 2>a bit to stop film, and afterwards he was completely

0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:06.000
<v Speaker 2>shell shold by what had drenched up from the recesses

0:37:06.200 --> 0:37:08.719
<v Speaker 2>of his heart and his emotions. And it was an

0:37:08.760 --> 0:37:12.080
<v Speaker 2>amazing moment. His son was with him, Michael, who was

0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:15.080
<v Speaker 2>equally startled, and they went away and they wrote a

0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:19.879
<v Speaker 2>book about it. Yeah, based on that one moment from

0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:22.560
<v Speaker 2>that interview. And when I think back to great interview moments,

0:37:22.640 --> 0:37:25.640
<v Speaker 2>that one really sticks in with me because it's a

0:37:25.680 --> 0:37:27.719
<v Speaker 2>bit like Chris Jianna Ronaldo and his dad. I think

0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:31.640
<v Speaker 2>it just sometimes something triggers it, you know. In Ronaldo's case,

0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:34.440
<v Speaker 2>I showed him a clip of his father from Norwegian

0:37:34.560 --> 0:37:38.080
<v Speaker 2>television we'd found of his father talking about how proud

0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:40.239
<v Speaker 2>he was of his son, and Chris Johnder had never

0:37:40.320 --> 0:37:42.560
<v Speaker 2>seen it. So this most famous guy on the planet

0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:45.279
<v Speaker 2>I'd never seen a clip of his dad saying how

0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:47.640
<v Speaker 2>proud he was of him, and it made him cry.

0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:50.480
<v Speaker 2>And you know, it's not that surprising. It's your family.

0:37:50.520 --> 0:37:53.320
<v Speaker 2>It's intense, it's emotional, but it's still when it happens

0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:56.319
<v Speaker 2>like that out of nowhere, it's a really special thing.

0:37:56.600 --> 0:38:00.000
<v Speaker 1>And how do you with your family? You do your children?

0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:03.600
<v Speaker 1>And are they are they at home? Do they cooks

0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:04.240
<v Speaker 1>in your family?

0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:07.920
<v Speaker 2>None of it's not a bad cook. She's getting a

0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:09.800
<v Speaker 2>lot better. She used to joke about. She has a

0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:14.000
<v Speaker 2>sign above the oven that says, I'll pretend I like cooking,

0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:15.440
<v Speaker 2>and you pretend you like eating.

0:38:15.280 --> 0:38:19.399
<v Speaker 1>My food, which is about good for a journalists, because

0:38:19.400 --> 0:38:20.800
<v Speaker 1>you don't pretend. We tell the truth.

0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:29.880
<v Speaker 2>Remember, she's actually got good. She's actually got good. One day, okay,

0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:33.520
<v Speaker 2>twist on the spaghetti and I actually did it for

0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:36.680
<v Speaker 2>Rachel Ray on American television and it was a big hit.

0:38:37.000 --> 0:38:40.880
<v Speaker 2>And it's just very spicy. L is a big American

0:38:41.120 --> 0:38:45.200
<v Speaker 2>television cook and has a big show on big big

0:38:45.280 --> 0:38:47.680
<v Speaker 2>show And for some reason she got me to do

0:38:47.840 --> 0:38:50.960
<v Speaker 2>my recipe and I cooked it on TV. But it's

0:38:51.440 --> 0:38:53.759
<v Speaker 2>one of the great spag bowls. Tell me it has

0:38:53.800 --> 0:38:55.920
<v Speaker 2>everything in it. I like. I like two things with

0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:58.759
<v Speaker 2>my spag bowl. I like things to crunch and I

0:38:58.960 --> 0:39:03.320
<v Speaker 2>like spice spicy. So I put tabasco. Liam Peren was

0:39:03.360 --> 0:39:05.560
<v Speaker 2>the source in. I put all that kind of stuff in.

0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:10.439
<v Speaker 2>I put in a chopped up carrot and celery, lots

0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:10.640
<v Speaker 2>of it.

0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:14.839
<v Speaker 1>First, do you like that part crunchy? What's the part

0:39:14.880 --> 0:39:15.120
<v Speaker 1>you like?

0:39:15.640 --> 0:39:17.040
<v Speaker 2>I like you to be. I like when I when

0:39:17.080 --> 0:39:19.919
<v Speaker 2>I get the final thing, I put it in towards

0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:26.200
<v Speaker 2>the end, after I've stewed all the stew everything. I

0:39:26.239 --> 0:39:27.719
<v Speaker 2>think you've got to stew it for a good hour

0:39:27.840 --> 0:39:30.160
<v Speaker 2>or so. Then I put in the crunchy stuff so

0:39:30.280 --> 0:39:33.560
<v Speaker 2>that I like a crunch Some people think I'm mad,

0:39:34.000 --> 0:39:36.840
<v Speaker 2>but actually it tastes really good, especially chats it up

0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:38.880
<v Speaker 2>with a bit of limp perin and a bit of tabasco.

0:39:39.080 --> 0:39:39.880
<v Speaker 1>And when do you make it?

0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:41.719
<v Speaker 2>About once every three years?

0:39:42.080 --> 0:39:46.080
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so so you never had the urge to.

0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:47.640
<v Speaker 2>I actually really enjoyed.

0:39:47.719 --> 0:39:48.120
<v Speaker 1>I bet you.

0:39:48.560 --> 0:39:51.120
<v Speaker 2>I never had the time the time, and I don't

0:39:51.200 --> 0:39:54.759
<v Speaker 2>make myself make the time. But actually I do really

0:39:54.920 --> 0:39:58.120
<v Speaker 2>enjoy the process of cooking your meal, and I wish

0:39:58.280 --> 0:39:59.680
<v Speaker 2>I had more time to do it, you know, the

0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:02.360
<v Speaker 2>When I was asked if I wanted to recommend a

0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:04.800
<v Speaker 2>dish for you from your book, I chose you.

0:40:05.000 --> 0:40:05.720
<v Speaker 1>We have the recipe.

0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's really with a bit of basil and a

0:40:09.719 --> 0:40:10.000
<v Speaker 2>bit of this.

0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:13.640
<v Speaker 1>Let's read it. I just thought that's part of the drill.

0:40:13.800 --> 0:40:15.759
<v Speaker 1>Can I read your recipe? Why do you when you

0:40:15.840 --> 0:40:17.520
<v Speaker 1>read it, tell me what you like about it?

0:40:17.680 --> 0:40:20.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, again, like I said to you earlier, one of

0:40:20.520 --> 0:40:24.080
<v Speaker 2>the reasons I love your restaurant and you're cooking it's simple,

0:40:24.200 --> 0:40:27.800
<v Speaker 2>but beautifully prepared and delicious. And when I think of

0:40:27.840 --> 0:40:30.720
<v Speaker 2>all the great meals I've had, it's that actually simple.

0:40:31.000 --> 0:40:33.280
<v Speaker 2>It's like being in the south of France, in Santrope

0:40:33.920 --> 0:40:36.719
<v Speaker 2>and going to club sank On sank or somewhere and

0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:41.359
<v Speaker 2>having the sea bass right with some vegetables and having

0:40:41.480 --> 0:40:48.080
<v Speaker 2>some Minuti rose. That's I'm happy. Maybe a few chips

0:40:48.120 --> 0:40:50.759
<v Speaker 2>and fries, which reminds me. We were talking before we

0:40:50.800 --> 0:40:55.120
<v Speaker 2>started this, Ted Turner, the great founder of why I

0:40:55.160 --> 0:40:58.680
<v Speaker 2>replace Larry King at CNN in that nine o'clock slot,

0:40:58.680 --> 0:41:02.200
<v Speaker 2>which was obviously it's quite a talk. Well, Larry. Larry

0:41:02.280 --> 0:41:04.200
<v Speaker 2>summed it up after about three weeks of me being

0:41:04.200 --> 0:41:06.759
<v Speaker 2>on air, he was asked on the red carpet, what

0:41:06.800 --> 0:41:08.439
<v Speaker 2>do you think of Peers, his new show, and he said,

0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:11.279
<v Speaker 2>it reminds me of my mother in law driving my

0:41:11.360 --> 0:41:15.840
<v Speaker 2>favorite Bentley over a cliff. So CNNPR ce an NPR

0:41:15.920 --> 0:41:19.360
<v Speaker 2>rap with Peers, do not respond, right, Larry's legend, you

0:41:19.400 --> 0:41:22.400
<v Speaker 2>can't respond. I went every sinew was like so I

0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:24.400
<v Speaker 2>left it about a week and then someone asked me

0:41:24.480 --> 0:41:25.920
<v Speaker 2>on a red carpet, what did you think of what

0:41:26.040 --> 0:41:28.560
<v Speaker 2>Larry said about his mother in law? And I said, well,

0:41:28.600 --> 0:41:30.719
<v Speaker 2>I said, to be fair to Larry, I said, he's

0:41:30.800 --> 0:41:32.560
<v Speaker 2>had eight mother in law, so he's a bit of

0:41:32.600 --> 0:41:32.919
<v Speaker 2>a world.

0:41:34.560 --> 0:41:36.719
<v Speaker 1>It's true, didn't he Yeah, he did.

0:41:36.960 --> 0:41:37.560
<v Speaker 2>More than twice.

0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:39.200
<v Speaker 1>He did. Well, I forgot about that.

0:41:39.600 --> 0:41:43.480
<v Speaker 2>My manager he used to represent Larry and once for

0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:46.520
<v Speaker 2>just a better Sport, asked him over dinner to name

0:41:46.560 --> 0:41:50.560
<v Speaker 2>all his wives and it was one he couldn't remember. Yeah,

0:41:51.520 --> 0:41:54.959
<v Speaker 2>you can't remember married too many people.

0:41:55.080 --> 0:41:57.160
<v Speaker 1>What it's like to be the seventh or eighth and

0:41:57.239 --> 0:41:59.800
<v Speaker 1>think there were seven? Yes, sure, you have to have

0:41:59.840 --> 0:42:02.959
<v Speaker 1>a lot of confidence to be there like the seventh wife. Okay,

0:42:03.040 --> 0:42:04.000
<v Speaker 1>read your message.

0:42:05.239 --> 0:42:07.719
<v Speaker 2>Because it's a loving food story. So he takes me

0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:10.960
<v Speaker 2>out for lunch and his Ted Turner buy some burger

0:42:11.040 --> 0:42:14.200
<v Speaker 2>joint in midtown Man, and we sit down. I've never

0:42:14.280 --> 0:42:17.680
<v Speaker 2>met this great man won the America's Car World series.

0:42:17.800 --> 0:42:20.839
<v Speaker 2>He was just this phenomenal character. And when he met him,

0:42:20.920 --> 0:42:25.160
<v Speaker 2>just like this flave wire and he said, I'll have

0:42:25.239 --> 0:42:29.160
<v Speaker 2>a bar, some burger medium, and ten fries. So I went,

0:42:30.840 --> 0:42:33.439
<v Speaker 2>little details. You never forget about people, I said, ten

0:42:33.520 --> 0:42:36.680
<v Speaker 2>fries phrase specific He said, yeah, he said, I find

0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:39.640
<v Speaker 2>if I have eleven or more, i'm a bit blooded.

0:42:40.160 --> 0:42:43.280
<v Speaker 2>If I have nine or less, i'm a little little hungry.

0:42:43.880 --> 0:42:46.279
<v Speaker 2>So I find that ten fries is my sweet spot.

0:42:46.760 --> 0:42:49.480
<v Speaker 2>So he specifically ordered ten fries, and I thought that

0:42:49.719 --> 0:42:52.040
<v Speaker 2>detail will live with me till the day he does,

0:42:52.120 --> 0:42:58.920
<v Speaker 2>which I thought, ten fries ten good story anyway, Spaghetti

0:42:58.960 --> 0:43:01.400
<v Speaker 2>with eleven So I love this because to me, it

0:43:01.760 --> 0:43:06.839
<v Speaker 2>perfectly symbolizes the magic of your restaurant. Thank you, simplicity

0:43:07.120 --> 0:43:11.879
<v Speaker 2>and beauty and delicious. So spaghetti with lemon. This would

0:43:11.920 --> 0:43:14.800
<v Speaker 2>serve six people, two hundred and fifty grams of spaghetti,

0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:18.160
<v Speaker 2>juice of four lemons, a moufe, one hundred and fifty

0:43:18.280 --> 0:43:21.200
<v Speaker 2>millis of olive oil, one hundred and fifty grounds of parmesan,

0:43:21.280 --> 0:43:25.440
<v Speaker 2>freshly grated, two handfuls of fresh basil, finely chopped, finely

0:43:25.520 --> 0:43:31.640
<v Speaker 2>grated lemon zest, and I would add a little of cheese. Cheeseae,

0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:36.120
<v Speaker 2>a little bit cheese. Personally, he cooked a spaghetti in

0:43:36.200 --> 0:43:39.120
<v Speaker 2>a generous amount of boiling salted water. Drain thoroughly and

0:43:39.200 --> 0:43:41.920
<v Speaker 2>return to the saucepan. Meanwhile, whisk the lemon juice with

0:43:41.960 --> 0:43:44.319
<v Speaker 2>the olive oil and stir in the parmesan. It will

0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:47.120
<v Speaker 2>melt into the mixture, making it thick and creamy. Season

0:43:47.440 --> 0:43:49.839
<v Speaker 2>with sea salt and black pepper, and add more lemon

0:43:49.920 --> 0:43:52.520
<v Speaker 2>juice to taste. Add the sauce to the spaghetti, and

0:43:52.600 --> 0:43:54.880
<v Speaker 2>shake the pants so that each strand of pasta is

0:43:55.040 --> 0:43:57.959
<v Speaker 2>coated with the cheese. Oh we already have parmesan. I'm sorry.

0:43:58.000 --> 0:43:59.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh we can put more and it's fine.

0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:02.239
<v Speaker 2>Yes, just have more cheese. Let's have enough cheese.

0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:03.520
<v Speaker 1>He loved cheese, never enough.

0:44:03.719 --> 0:44:05.560
<v Speaker 2>When I die, I want my tombstone to say you

0:44:05.640 --> 0:44:06.759
<v Speaker 2>could never have enough cheese.

0:44:06.800 --> 0:44:09.400
<v Speaker 1>You know what I want to be? I M a

0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:12.879
<v Speaker 1>big party in a small space. Love that, because don't

0:44:12.920 --> 0:44:16.200
<v Speaker 1>you just like squeezing around? Then walking into a room

0:44:16.280 --> 0:44:17.360
<v Speaker 1>with the differences.

0:44:17.400 --> 0:44:19.800
<v Speaker 2>It would be National morning if you went with me.

0:44:19.920 --> 0:44:20.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm not quite so confident.

0:44:20.960 --> 0:44:24.200
<v Speaker 1>I think the same. I doubt it, okay, carry.

0:44:24.520 --> 0:44:28.439
<v Speaker 2>Milligan's tombstone, told you I was ill, Oh my god,

0:44:28.600 --> 0:44:30.200
<v Speaker 2>when he died. When he died, we did it on

0:44:30.239 --> 0:44:32.680
<v Speaker 2>the Daily Mirror front page. Was the tombstone. We told

0:44:32.719 --> 0:44:34.719
<v Speaker 2>you I was ill? Spike Milligan because he cracked this

0:44:34.800 --> 0:44:38.239
<v Speaker 2>joke before. And his widow rang me the next day

0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:41.239
<v Speaker 2>and I thought I haven't offended it, and she ran

0:44:41.320 --> 0:44:43.120
<v Speaker 2>me and said, could I have the original front page.

0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:45.360
<v Speaker 2>He would have loved it. He would have told you

0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:49.560
<v Speaker 2>I was ill, okay, but finally stirring the chopped basil

0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:52.160
<v Speaker 2>and the grated lemon zest and then you have spaghetti

0:44:52.200 --> 0:44:53.400
<v Speaker 2>with lemon. There we are simple.

0:44:53.560 --> 0:44:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Something that I asked often of actors. If you know

0:44:56.160 --> 0:44:59.200
<v Speaker 1>that you're going to interview somebody at you know, two o'clock,

0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:01.480
<v Speaker 1>would you want to eat before or would you want

0:45:01.520 --> 0:45:03.840
<v Speaker 1>to be slightly No, no, empty stomach.

0:45:06.600 --> 0:45:09.839
<v Speaker 2>My routine before a big interview or show or something

0:45:09.960 --> 0:45:14.680
<v Speaker 2>that requires energy. I have a banana, I have natural yogurt,

0:45:15.160 --> 0:45:19.320
<v Speaker 2>I have a load of nuts, and I have just

0:45:19.480 --> 0:45:22.239
<v Speaker 2>maybe a barocca or something to juice me up a bit.

0:45:22.760 --> 0:45:25.920
<v Speaker 2>And then afterwards I love to go and have if

0:45:25.920 --> 0:45:28.600
<v Speaker 2>it's a really big like thing. You know, I've had

0:45:28.680 --> 0:45:31.640
<v Speaker 2>interviews with people like Nelson Mandela and the dun Lama

0:45:31.760 --> 0:45:34.680
<v Speaker 2>and Oprah Winfrey and all these people, and I think

0:45:34.719 --> 0:45:38.080
<v Speaker 2>by President Clinton or whoever it may be. Afterwards, my

0:45:38.239 --> 0:45:40.160
<v Speaker 2>favorite thing is then to meet up with friends or

0:45:40.200 --> 0:45:42.520
<v Speaker 2>family whatever and have a bottle of wine. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>like decompressed. I call it decompression because the adrenaline just

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<v Speaker 2>fires through you. But I find for energy, you can't

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<v Speaker 2>beat bananas, yogurt, the basic stuff. Just just uice yourself

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<v Speaker 2>up with a bit of energy. Let it all go.

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<v Speaker 2>And then and then comes to the River Cafe and

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<v Speaker 2>a bottle of red Italian wine, have the we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to do, and hopefully wait patiently and expectantly for the

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<v Speaker 2>great Ruthie Rogers to glide down the aisle, stopping with

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<v Speaker 2>Paul McCartney and Michael Caine. And yeah, finally get to

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the wrong and remember my name. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a great moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. But before you go and have that lunch, as

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<v Speaker 1>you said, before you work, you don't what you want

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<v Speaker 1>to eat when you wake up in the morning, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it makes you have a good day. But we also

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<v Speaker 1>eat when we need some sort of support, so comfort,

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<v Speaker 1>whether we've had a bad day at the office once

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<v Speaker 1>so we've lost someone, when we're just we're just feeling

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<v Speaker 1>the world out here is a scary place and it's tough.

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<v Speaker 1>So is there something from your memory or from now

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<v Speaker 1>or that you would want to eat when you need, Pierce.

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<v Speaker 2>Morgan, it would be spaghetti bottlenise the way my mother.

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<v Speaker 1>Makes it, and she would make that for you now,

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<v Speaker 1>And do you go home and have that?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, it's my ultimate. You can't beat your mother's good.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't give your mother's but yours.

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<v Speaker 2>Gum's pretty close.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much. That's great, It's good.

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<v Speaker 2>Ruthie's Table four was produced by Alex Bell, Robbie Hamilton

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<v Speaker 2>and Zad Rogers, with Andrew Sang and Bella Celina. This

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