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Speaker 1: Ruthie's Table four is now a book. Paul McCartney, Michael Kay,

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Speaker 1: It's full of stories, beautifully designed, and a celebration of

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Speaker 1: the way food connects us all. It's available now wherever

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Speaker 2: I've probably interviewed three or four thousand people in my life.

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Speaker 2: My sort of calculation after all that time is if

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Speaker 2: you have the unconditional love of one parent, it's enough

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Speaker 2: to power you to the top. It's much harder if

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Speaker 1: Everyone knows Piers Morgan as a journalist, editor and fearless interviewer,

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Speaker 1: but I know him also as a person who loves food,

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Speaker 1: Having spent his childhood in the pub his family owned

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Speaker 1: in East Sussex. We can describe in detail what makes

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Speaker 1: a great restaurant. Peers and I have different professions, but

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Speaker 1: we do have much in common. His ingredients are words,

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Speaker 1: mine or olive oil and basil. We both work to

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Speaker 1: strict deadlines, opening hours for me and news to be

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Speaker 1: reported for him. Most important though, for both of us,

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Speaker 1: is the hunger for a story, whether talking to someone

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Speaker 1: in the studio or at a table in the river cafe.

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Speaker 1: We're here together on a beautifully sunny day to share

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Speaker 1: our stories about food and family, the world we're in.

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Speaker 1: What could be better?

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Speaker 2: Thank you?

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Speaker 1: Well, it's true, it's authentic.

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Speaker 2: I think we should start by telling me what to do. Well,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to interview you, but when you mentioned

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Speaker 2: the pub, my Fami, we do have this umbilical cord

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Speaker 2: which is your brilliant manager, Charlie pullin the River. He's

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Speaker 1: Probably twenty seven years.

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Speaker 2: So Charlie's family and my family were the best of

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Speaker 1: But you you bought it from No did he back

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Speaker 2: So so we sold the Griffin into the Pullen transformed it.

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Speaker 1: He's devastated that he's not here. But what was it

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Speaker 2: What do you love about it? I loved the egalitarian

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Speaker 1: Glam You remember food that you're ate as a kid.

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Speaker 2: went on one of the McDonald's lady and he said,

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Speaker 2: he's going to go and take care of them. And

438
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Speaker 2: what a lovely story.

439
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Speaker 1: You know, it goes around comes around. Now that you

440
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Speaker 1: have that connection. When you went to work, the first

441
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Speaker 1: job was it.

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Speaker 2: My first proper job was the Stretum and Tooting News

443
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Speaker 2: in Tooting.

444
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Speaker 1: Broadway, that local newspaper.

445
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Speaker 2: And then I went to the Wimbledon News.

446
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 1: And that was that was it.

447
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Speaker 2: It was a Wimbledon higher than the strategy I was

448
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Speaker 2: moving up in the world. I got to it was

449
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Speaker 2: right in the middle of Broadway. It was it was

450
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Speaker 2: carnage to start with him in the crime alone in

451
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Speaker 2: that area then was rife, so it was it was

452
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Speaker 2: a very interesting beat to cover. So I had to

453
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Speaker 2: go to the police stations and sit down with the

454
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Speaker 2: police once a week and what's happened on your patch?

455
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Speaker 2: I loved it. And then I went to the Wimbledon

456
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Speaker 2: News and then I remember my first big scoop was

457
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Speaker 2: I infiltrated security at Wimbledon Tennis. We had a tip

458
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Speaker 2: if you go through that fence between this time and

459
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Speaker 2: that time, they don't guard it, so we went through

460
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Speaker 2: with the photographer. I ended up getting into the Royal

461
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Speaker 2: Box where a famous England cricket legend called Colin Cowdrey

462
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Speaker 2: was there and served me a gin and tying, not

463
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Speaker 2: knowing who I was. And then I went down to

464
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Speaker 2: the players dressing room and was actually in there with

465
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Speaker 2: some of the top players. This is back in the

466
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Speaker 2: in the early eighties and we speak John probably and

467
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 2: they were all like, what are you doing here? And

468
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,640
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, anyway. We then did a big

469
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Speaker 2: exposed the front page exposed Wimbledon's security scandal, which got picked.

470
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Speaker 1: Up, managed to breach the security.

471
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Speaker 2: We did them a massive favour. Could have been a

472
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Speaker 2: terrorist anyway. They responded by banning me for life. The

473
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Speaker 2: chairman was a guy called Basa Huddingham to buzzer Baser anyway,

474
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Speaker 2: he sent me a letter banning me from me all

475
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Speaker 2: in the club for life. I don't think they enforce it.

476
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Speaker 2: I've been, you've been back, You've been to the big graces.

477
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Speaker 2: I'd actually done them a favor of.

478
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Speaker 1: The thing, you know, talking about models and speeches that

479
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: I was reading because a friend of mine is giving

480
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Speaker 1: commencement address in the States and Federer do you know

481
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Speaker 1: that he when he gave his speech at Harvard for commencement,

482
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Speaker 1: he said something like, you know, I am one of

483
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Speaker 1: the great tennis players. I will say that, you know,

484
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Speaker 1: but I just want you to know you can look

485
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Speaker 1: at all the games that I've won, and then just

486
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Speaker 1: look at all the games that I've lost and how

487
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Speaker 1: many games I've lost. And his whole point was that,

488
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Speaker 1: you know, failure is part of the deal.

489
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Speaker 2: So much more so the ones your friend when you're successful. Yeah,

490
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Speaker 2: I've had great times of success and great plummeting falls,

491
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Speaker 2: and I've actually much preferred the falls. You worker, who

492
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Speaker 2: probably would turn up at your funeral your proper mates are.

493
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Speaker 2: You realize how important family is because they're always at

494
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Speaker 2: like a ring fencing protective umbrella. And also the value

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Speaker 2: of a local pub. Back to the pub, Back to

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Speaker 2: the pub where everyone Back to food?

497
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Speaker 1: Did you ever you know when you were in this

498
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Speaker 1: world of when you're on Fleet Street?

499
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Speaker 2: Was that two shifts in Fleet only?

500
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Speaker 1: That was the news of the world.

501
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 2: I was The Sun's show business correspondent. I did the

502
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Speaker 2: show Wow.

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Speaker 1: Did you go? Yeah? What was that like? Did you

504
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Speaker 1: go for dinner? Where did you eat?

505
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Speaker 2: In those days we had unlimited expensive cast I flew

506
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Speaker 2: around the world first class or business class, stayed five stars.

507
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 2: That was the biggest selling paper is selling four million

508
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 2: copies at the time, and it was a fantastic life.

509
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 2: I went to interview the biggest stars in the world.

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Speaker 1: Would you do it over food? Would you do what

511
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Speaker 1: did you learn about people interviewing them in the restaurant?

512
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Speaker 2: Would you alcohol? Loosens, tongues? It's quite surprise there wasn't

513
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Speaker 2: a couple of the gronies.

514
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Speaker 1: In another matter, you would drink. You said, no, we did.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we have to worry about listening.

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Speaker 2: I don't think, but I think if you can get

517
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Speaker 2: people that I actually would prefer to have a social

518
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: encounter with somebody the day before I may interviewed him,

519
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 2: so you establish a rapport. I remember Bill Clinton. I

520
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 2: interviewed him after he stopped being president. But I interviewed

521
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Speaker 2: him for CNN, and it was going to be a

522
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Speaker 2: live hour long thing, big bad. I've got one thing,

523
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 2: and he we decided we had a little drinks the

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Speaker 2: other night before and I met him for the first

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Speaker 2: time and we had a really nice chat for about

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Speaker 2: half an hour, and I just felt like we've got

527
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Speaker 2: a bit of a connection. So when we started the interview,

528
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Speaker 2: and it was a to show you how brilliant he

529
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Speaker 2: was as a politician, because to meet Bill Clinton, I

530
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Speaker 2: was thinking about the greatest politicians of my lifetime. He'd

531
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 2: be right up there, unbelievably smart, but had brilliant political antennae.

532
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 2: Brilliant politicians you can buy in both the politics and

533
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Speaker 2: the m yes and intelligence. And he's very well read.

534
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 2: But he I said to him, Bono had come to

535
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Speaker 2: town for the It was the Clinton Global Initiative, and

536
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 2: he was going to do something the next day, and

537
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: he'd done a stunt where he'd imitated Bill Clinton and

538
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: it had gone viral on social media. And I said

539
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Speaker 2: to Bill Clinton, have you seen this? He hadn't seen it,

540
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 2: played it to him on my phone. He went, that's

541
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Speaker 2: actually pretty funny. I went yeah. I said, if you

542
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 2: money chance, do a bono impression. And you wanted to

543
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Speaker 2: start the interview tomorrow By unleashing it on the world,

544
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 2: I can guarantee everyone will go nuts and it will

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Speaker 2: go viral. And he wanted publicity for his initiative is weak,

546
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Speaker 2: so he said he didn't say anything. He just went

547
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Speaker 2: the next day, is sitting there, We're going live in

548
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Speaker 2: twenty seconds, is giving no sign of doing anything. It

549
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: found me there, there's John Glenn, the astronaut, Barbara Streison's

550
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 2: and the audience's Hillary's there, Chelsea's there. It's an amazing

551
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Speaker 2: star studied crowd in the room. Plus it's been beamed

552
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Speaker 2: to millions around the world. And then I opened up,

553
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Speaker 2: not knowing what he would do. So it's like this

554
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: could have been excruciating, and I said, President Clinton, it's

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Speaker 2: great to see it. And to finally get to interview,

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Speaker 2: I said, and I want to start with the thing

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Speaker 2: that everyone is talking about surrounding the Clinton Global Initiative

558
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Speaker 2: and obviously leading people to think of something serious. I said,

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Speaker 2: it's this, and we played it on the big screen

560
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Speaker 2: and it was Bono doing his impression, and I said,

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Speaker 2: do you have a response, President Clinton? I had no

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Speaker 2: idea what he did, so it was like the most like,

563
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Speaker 2: come on, give me something, and he just stared at me.

564
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 2: So you had a suit and he just stared at me,

565
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Speaker 2: gave me nothing, give me nothing. One second, couple of seconds,

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Speaker 2: three exact, which is three seconds of painful thing. And

567
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Speaker 2: then he suddenly reached into his pocket, pulled out a

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Speaker 2: pair of dark, very dark glasses, and did a two

569
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Speaker 2: minute riff as Bono, which brought the house. It's fantastic

570
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Speaker 2: and it was pure genius. It was political genius. Yeah,

571
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: and I'd thought, wow, you are something else. And he

572
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 2: just had a gift for that kind of actor.

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Speaker 1: Mike Bloomberg said that he would when he did interviews

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Speaker 1: for jobs. When people applied for a job at Bloomberg,

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Speaker 1: he would take them to a restaurant because he wanted

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Speaker 1: to see how they were with the waiter, how they

577
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Speaker 1: were their food? Did they look the waiter in the eye.

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Speaker 1: And he also said something that I'm sure you won't

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Speaker 1: agree with is that if someone he was interviewing asked

580
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Speaker 1: for a glass of wine, he wouldn't hire them. Really

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Speaker 1: and yeah, and I was with I was somebody sitting

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Speaker 1: next to me who said, well, actually being British, he said, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, Mike, if I was sitting interviewing somebody for

584
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Speaker 1: a job and they didn't want a glass of wine,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't hire them.

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Speaker 2: But what do you want to give you a story?

587
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Speaker 2: I'll give you a story. When I was twenty seven

588
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Speaker 2: years old, Yeah, I was the show business editor of

589
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Speaker 2: the Song Yeah, flying all around, having the time in

590
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Speaker 2: my life, right, this was best get in the world,

591
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Speaker 2: flying around into being Paul McCartney and Mick Jagger and

592
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Speaker 2: all these superstars. And then I get an invitation to

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Speaker 2: go and have dinner with Rupert Murdock at the Stafford

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Speaker 2: Hotel in Saint James's in the private room, and the

595
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Speaker 2: editor of the Sun took us there and there were

596
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Speaker 2: about eight executives and I was the youngest by far,

597
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Speaker 2: so I thought I had nothing to lose never met Rupert,

598
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 2: so Medham was very excited, and I noticed that he

599
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Speaker 2: was drinking a few glasses of wine. But the editor

600
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 2: of the Son was having a three month wine who sabbatical,

601
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Speaker 2: so he wasn't, which became crucial. So we got through

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Speaker 2: the first course second cause I was just a couple

603
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Speaker 2: of glasses of wine and started being quite garrulous as

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Speaker 2: I would, thinking well, I've gotten to loose here at

605
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Speaker 2: all nothing. I'm not going to be doing anything bigger

606
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Speaker 2: than this. And then it got to the end and

607
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Speaker 2: there was a guy sitting to the right of Rupert,

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Speaker 2: and then I was next to this guy. They got

609
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Speaker 2: to the end and they went to the editor who

610
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Speaker 2: wasn't drinking first, and they said would you like it looking,

611
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Speaker 2: and he wasn't drinking, so they said no, I'm good,

612
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 2: thank you. So everyone took their lead from the editor.

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Speaker 2: But we better not have one, so they went no, no,

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Speaker 2: I'm good, No, no, they're all askers. So they all

615
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 2: said no, no, no, no, And he got to me

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Speaker 2: and I said, well, what would you recommend? And he

617
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Speaker 2: said the peach brandy is very good, So I said

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00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: the peach brandy and the guy next to me he said, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'll have one of those two, and then Rupert said, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's my favorite. Make it three.

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Speaker 1: Ah.

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Speaker 2: What all I'm saying is within three weeks I had

623
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Speaker 2: been made editor of the Needs of the World, the

624
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Speaker 2: biggest selling paper in the world at the time, and

625
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 2: the other guy had been made editor of The Sun,

626
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Speaker 2: the biggest selling deadly paper in the world. And none

627
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Speaker 2: of the others who turned down the peach brandy got

628
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Speaker 2: anything out of that dinner. And so the moral is,

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Speaker 2: if you're ever having dinner with Rupert Murdock, have the

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Speaker 2: peach brandy.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'll be brave.

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Speaker 2: Exactly what you want to do. I think he looked,

633
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Speaker 2: and I personally look back on that and think he

634
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Speaker 2: looked for someone who would make their own mind up.

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Speaker 1: If you were interviewing somebody for a job, would you

636
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Speaker 1: want to see how they behaved in a restaurant, or

637
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: would you.

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Speaker 2: I want to see how they treat waiters?

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00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:06,239
Speaker 1: Would you look?

640
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 2: I think you have. You have here probably the perfect

641
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: environment to assess people's actual character. And I one of

642
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: my pet loathings in the world is people that are

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Speaker 2: rude to waiters, or to cab drivers or chauffeurs or

644
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: whatever it may be, particularly when they're rich and privileged

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00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 2: and successful and should have no excuse, you know. And

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Speaker 2: some of the most polite, well mannered people I met

647
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 2: have nothing, and they've been brought up to have manners.

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Speaker 2: My mother, is she ever caught me being rude to

649
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Speaker 2: a waiter, she would go berserk. I do that if

650
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: any of my kids ever have even a whiff of

651
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: entitlement or anything, and they know it, so they don't

652
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: and they would never be rude to waiter. I think

653
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Speaker 2: it's the ultimate litmus test of character. And you know,

654
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Speaker 2: I bet you've had some people in here over the

655
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: years you've just treated your style badly.

656
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Speaker 1: I have to say very few. I mean, I really,

657
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: I'm so and maybe because I don't know the whole

658
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Speaker 1: mood here or whatever it is. And also this is

659
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Speaker 1: the only person I ever bound from the River Cafe ever,

660
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: you know, was somebody who I heard, I actually witnessed

661
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Speaker 1: him being rude to really horrible to waiter and I

662
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: just said out and he called up, you know, I think, Charles,

663
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: and said, just just really really sad, I can come

664
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Speaker 1: back or is that what she was? And he said,

665
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: do you know how much I spend here, you know,

666
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: But there was like a no no, and then he

667
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: said he called me up really upset and he said,

668
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: you know I was not you whatever, And he said,

669
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Speaker 1: can I can I come back like ever? And I said, well,

670
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: you have to write to her and ask her what

671
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: she thinks and you have to apologize and then we'll

672
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: give it time. And he said, I said, but you

673
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: can see, we can see, you know, you can talk

674
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: about six months. Are you putting me on the naughty

675
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: step for six months?

676
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: And he said, yeah, that's the did come good, not bad, just.

677
00:33:58,560 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: Too short.

678
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. I use restaurant as a way to soften people up,

679
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: to establish a rap I think that I can be

680
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 2: quite good company over a good meal, bottle of good wine.

681
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 2: I think I can establish a rapp all that maybe

682
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: we didn't have before. And if you can do that

683
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 2: either before, I mean I had a great interviewed Tom

684
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 2: Hanks at CNM and it was it was it was

685
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 2: an okay interview. It was with a couple of his

686
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 2: cast members, and I thought, I wished I knew Tom

687
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: Hanks a bit better than we would have got more

688
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 2: out of it. And about a month later, I was

689
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 2: in the Upper East in New York and I was

690
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: sitting in a diner and he just walked in on

691
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 2: his own and he came over and he said, you

692
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 2: might if I joined you. And we had a nineteen

693
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 2: minute last and it was brilliant, and I remember thinking,

694
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 2: I wish I could interview him tomorrow.

695
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: You have a hunger for a story, for a news story.

696
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: We all have hungers for the stories. If you look

697
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: at every table, I would say to the chefs, you know,

698
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: to the waiters. I've said it millions of times on

699
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 1: this program, that everybody has a story there. Maybe somebody

700
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: here's celebrating a graduation or having been fired that day,

701
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: or have been given a diagnosis, or saved up for

702
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 1: a long time. Everybody and that story. So that's what

703
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: you do, and that's what you tell, and is that

704
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: you're kind of north star of getting the story that

705
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: you can with.

706
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: I used to do a show on ITV called Life

707
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: Stories where I would spend three hours interviewing some of

708
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: the biggest stars in the world. And the first I

709
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: would be like a normal interview. The second, now that

710
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 2: barriers would start to come down. About the third day,

711
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 2: you're getting really deep with people and they're beginning to

712
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 2: trust you and open up and talk about things in

713
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 2: a way. I mean, I remember a classic example Michael

714
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 2: Parkinson and you talk about interviewers. So Parky was a

715
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 2: great friend of mine, and he finally agreed after fifteen

716
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 2: seasons to do life stories. He'd always said that for

717
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: he said, for the reason I say, Michael Kane, he'd

718
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 2: always said to be peers, for the reasons I like

719
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 2: watching your show. I'll never do it. Parky was the

720
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 2: same other I didn't want to get that deeper stuff.

721
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: But park eventually agreed. And I went to see him

722
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: in his dressing room before and he said, you will

723
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 2: make me cry, your bugger, you will made me cry.

724
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 2: Not a chance. And I thought that there's no chance.

725
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 2: He's never cried in public in his life. He's a tough,

726
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 2: gritty yrship. Of course he's not going to cry. And

727
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 2: then it came in the most unexpected moment. I just

728
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 2: said to him he was an only child, Marcael Buggerson,

729
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 2: and he talked about his father and his parents, and

730
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 2: his father had died fifty years earlier, and I said,

731
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 2: it's fifty years since your dad passed away, and he

732
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 2: said yeah, he said, I said, can you remember that day.

733
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 2: He'd been I think in his early twenties, and he

734
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 2: started telling the story and then he remembered them bringing

735
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 2: his father's body down the stairs and how small his

736
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 2: father seemed, and with that he just crumbled and he

737
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 2: then sobbed in front of a live audience. We didn't

738
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 2: run most of it. He sobbed for about five minutes

739
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 2: a bit to stop film, and afterwards he was completely

740
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 2: shell shold by what had drenched up from the recesses

741
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 2: of his heart and his emotions. And it was an

742
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 2: amazing moment. His son was with him, Michael, who was

743
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 2: equally startled, and they went away and they wrote a

744
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 2: book about it. Yeah, based on that one moment from

745
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 2: that interview. And when I think back to great interview moments,

746
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 2: that one really sticks in with me because it's a

747
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 2: bit like Chris Jianna Ronaldo and his dad. I think

748
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: it just sometimes something triggers it, you know. In Ronaldo's case,

749
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 2: I showed him a clip of his father from Norwegian

750
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: television we'd found of his father talking about how proud

751
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 2: he was of his son, and Chris Johnder had never

752
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: seen it. So this most famous guy on the planet

753
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 2: I'd never seen a clip of his dad saying how

754
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: proud he was of him, and it made him cry.

755
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 2: And you know, it's not that surprising. It's your family.

756
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 2: It's intense, it's emotional, but it's still when it happens

757
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 2: like that out of nowhere, it's a really special thing.

758
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: And how do you with your family? You do your children?

759
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: And are they are they at home? Do they cooks

760
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Speaker 1: in your family?

761
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 2: None of it's not a bad cook. She's getting a

762
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 2: lot better. She used to joke about. She has a

763
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: sign above the oven that says, I'll pretend I like cooking,

764
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 2: and you pretend you like eating.

765
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Speaker 1: My food, which is about good for a journalists, because

766
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Speaker 1: you don't pretend. We tell the truth.

767
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Speaker 2: Remember, she's actually got good. She's actually got good. One day, okay,

768
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 2: twist on the spaghetti and I actually did it for

769
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 2: Rachel Ray on American television and it was a big hit.

770
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Speaker 2: And it's just very spicy. L is a big American

771
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 2: television cook and has a big show on big big

772
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 2: show And for some reason she got me to do

773
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 2: my recipe and I cooked it on TV. But it's

774
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 2: one of the great spag bowls. Tell me it has

775
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: everything in it. I like. I like two things with

776
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 2: my spag bowl. I like things to crunch and I

777
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 2: like spice spicy. So I put tabasco. Liam Peren was

778
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 2: the source in. I put all that kind of stuff in.

779
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,439
Speaker 2: I put in a chopped up carrot and celery, lots

780
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: of it.

781
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Speaker 1: First, do you like that part crunchy? What's the part

782
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: you like?

783
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 2: I like you to be. I like when I when

784
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 2: I get the final thing, I put it in towards

785
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 2: the end, after I've stewed all the stew everything. I

786
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 2: think you've got to stew it for a good hour

787
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 2: or so. Then I put in the crunchy stuff so

788
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: that I like a crunch Some people think I'm mad,

789
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 2: but actually it tastes really good, especially chats it up

790
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 2: with a bit of limp perin and a bit of tabasco.

791
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: And when do you make it?

792
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 2: About once every three years?

793
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: Okay, so so you never had the urge to.

794
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: I actually really enjoyed.

795
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: I bet you.

796
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 2: I never had the time the time, and I don't

797
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 2: make myself make the time. But actually I do really

798
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 2: enjoy the process of cooking your meal, and I wish

799
00:39:58,280 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: I had more time to do it, you know, the

800
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Speaker 2: When I was asked if I wanted to recommend a

801
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 2: dish for you from your book, I chose you.

802
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 1: We have the recipe.

803
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really with a bit of basil and a

804
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 2: bit of this.

805
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: Let's read it. I just thought that's part of the drill.

806
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: Can I read your recipe? Why do you when you

807
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: read it, tell me what you like about it?

808
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 2: Well, again, like I said to you earlier, one of

809
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: the reasons I love your restaurant and you're cooking it's simple,

810
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 2: but beautifully prepared and delicious. And when I think of

811
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 2: all the great meals I've had, it's that actually simple.

812
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 2: It's like being in the south of France, in Santrope

813
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 2: and going to club sank On sank or somewhere and

814
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 2: having the sea bass right with some vegetables and having

815
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 2: some Minuti rose. That's I'm happy. Maybe a few chips

816
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 2: and fries, which reminds me. We were talking before we

817
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 2: started this, Ted Turner, the great founder of why I

818
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: replace Larry King at CNN in that nine o'clock slot,

819
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: which was obviously it's quite a talk. Well, Larry. Larry

820
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 2: summed it up after about three weeks of me being

821
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 2: on air, he was asked on the red carpet, what

822
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,439
Speaker 2: do you think of Peers, his new show, and he said,

823
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 2: it reminds me of my mother in law driving my

824
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 2: favorite Bentley over a cliff. So CNNPR ce an NPR

825
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 2: rap with Peers, do not respond, right, Larry's legend, you

826
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 2: can't respond. I went every sinew was like so I

827
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 2: left it about a week and then someone asked me

828
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 2: on a red carpet, what did you think of what

829
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 2: Larry said about his mother in law? And I said, well,

830
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: I said, to be fair to Larry, I said, he's

831
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 2: had eight mother in law, so he's a bit of

832
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:32,919
Speaker 2: a world.

833
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: It's true, didn't he Yeah, he did.

834
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Speaker 2: More than twice.

835
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Speaker 1: He did. Well, I forgot about that.

836
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: My manager he used to represent Larry and once for

837
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 2: just a better Sport, asked him over dinner to name

838
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 2: all his wives and it was one he couldn't remember. Yeah,

839
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,959
Speaker 2: you can't remember married too many people.

840
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: What it's like to be the seventh or eighth and

841
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 1: think there were seven? Yes, sure, you have to have

842
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,959
Speaker 1: a lot of confidence to be there like the seventh wife. Okay,

843
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: read your message.

844
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 2: Because it's a loving food story. So he takes me

845
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 2: out for lunch and his Ted Turner buy some burger

846
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 2: joint in midtown Man, and we sit down. I've never

847
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 2: met this great man won the America's Car World series.

848
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 2: He was just this phenomenal character. And when he met him,

849
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: just like this flave wire and he said, I'll have

850
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 2: a bar, some burger medium, and ten fries. So I went,

851
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 2: little details. You never forget about people, I said, ten

852
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: fries phrase specific He said, yeah, he said, I find

853
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 2: if I have eleven or more, i'm a bit blooded.

854
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 2: If I have nine or less, i'm a little little hungry.

855
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 2: So I find that ten fries is my sweet spot.

856
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 2: So he specifically ordered ten fries, and I thought that

857
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 2: detail will live with me till the day he does,

858
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 2: which I thought, ten fries ten good story anyway, Spaghetti

859
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 2: with eleven So I love this because to me, it

860
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 2: perfectly symbolizes the magic of your restaurant. Thank you, simplicity

861
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 2: and beauty and delicious. So spaghetti with lemon. This would

862
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 2: serve six people, two hundred and fifty grams of spaghetti,

863
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 2: juice of four lemons, a moufe, one hundred and fifty

864
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: millis of olive oil, one hundred and fifty grounds of parmesan,

865
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 2: freshly grated, two handfuls of fresh basil, finely chopped, finely

866
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 2: grated lemon zest, and I would add a little of cheese. Cheeseae,

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Speaker 2: a little bit cheese. Personally, he cooked a spaghetti in

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Speaker 2: a generous amount of boiling salted water. Drain thoroughly and

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Speaker 2: return to the saucepan. Meanwhile, whisk the lemon juice with

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Speaker 2: the olive oil and stir in the parmesan. It will

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00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 2: melt into the mixture, making it thick and creamy. Season

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00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 2: with sea salt and black pepper, and add more lemon

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00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 2: juice to taste. Add the sauce to the spaghetti, and

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00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 2: shake the pants so that each strand of pasta is

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Speaker 2: coated with the cheese. Oh we already have parmesan. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: Oh we can put more and it's fine.

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Speaker 2: Yes, just have more cheese. Let's have enough cheese.

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Speaker 1: He loved cheese, never enough.

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Speaker 2: When I die, I want my tombstone to say you

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Speaker 2: could never have enough cheese.

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Speaker 1: You know what I want to be? I M a

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Speaker 1: big party in a small space. Love that, because don't

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00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: you just like squeezing around? Then walking into a room

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Speaker 1: with the differences.

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Speaker 2: It would be National morning if you went with me.

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Speaker 2: I'm not quite so confident.

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Speaker 1: I think the same. I doubt it, okay, carry.

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Speaker 2: Milligan's tombstone, told you I was ill, Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: when he died. When he died, we did it on

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Speaker 2: the Daily Mirror front page. Was the tombstone. We told

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Speaker 2: you I was ill? Spike Milligan because he cracked this

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Speaker 2: joke before. And his widow rang me the next day

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Speaker 2: and I thought I haven't offended it, and she ran

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Speaker 2: me and said, could I have the original front page.

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Speaker 2: He would have loved it. He would have told you

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Speaker 2: I was ill, okay, but finally stirring the chopped basil

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Speaker 2: and the grated lemon zest and then you have spaghetti

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Speaker 2: with lemon. There we are simple.

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Speaker 1: Something that I asked often of actors. If you know

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Speaker 1: that you're going to interview somebody at you know, two o'clock,

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Speaker 1: would you want to eat before or would you want

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Speaker 1: to be slightly No, no, empty stomach.

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Speaker 2: My routine before a big interview or show or something

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Speaker 2: that requires energy. I have a banana, I have natural yogurt,

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Speaker 2: I have a load of nuts, and I have just

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Speaker 2: maybe a barocca or something to juice me up a bit.

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Speaker 2: And then afterwards I love to go and have if

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Speaker 2: it's a really big like thing. You know, I've had

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Speaker 2: interviews with people like Nelson Mandela and the dun Lama

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Speaker 2: and Oprah Winfrey and all these people, and I think

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00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: by President Clinton or whoever it may be. Afterwards, my

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Speaker 2: favorite thing is then to meet up with friends or

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Speaker 2: family whatever and have a bottle of wine. It's just

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Speaker 2: like decompressed. I call it decompression because the adrenaline just

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00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 2: fires through you. But I find for energy, you can't

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Speaker 2: beat bananas, yogurt, the basic stuff. Just just uice yourself

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Speaker 2: up with a bit of energy. Let it all go.

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Speaker 2: And then and then comes to the River Cafe and

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Speaker 2: a bottle of red Italian wine, have the we're going

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Speaker 2: to do, and hopefully wait patiently and expectantly for the

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Speaker 2: great Ruthie Rogers to glide down the aisle, stopping with

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Speaker 2: Paul McCartney and Michael Caine. And yeah, finally get to

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Speaker 2: the end of the wrong and remember my name. That's

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Speaker 2: a great moment.

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Speaker 1: Okay. But before you go and have that lunch, as

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Speaker 1: you said, before you work, you don't what you want

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Speaker 1: to eat when you wake up in the morning, you know,

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Speaker 1: it makes you have a good day. But we also

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Speaker 1: eat when we need some sort of support, so comfort,

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Speaker 1: whether we've had a bad day at the office once

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Speaker 1: so we've lost someone, when we're just we're just feeling

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Speaker 1: the world out here is a scary place and it's tough.

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Speaker 1: So is there something from your memory or from now

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Speaker 1: or that you would want to eat when you need, Pierce.

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Speaker 2: Morgan, it would be spaghetti bottlenise the way my mother.

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Speaker 1: Makes it, and she would make that for you now,

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Speaker 1: And do you go home and have that?

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's my ultimate. You can't beat your mother's good.

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Speaker 1: You can't give your mother's but yours.

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Speaker 2: Gum's pretty close.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. That's great, It's good.

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Speaker 2: Ruthie's Table four was produced by Alex Bell, Robbie Hamilton

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Speaker 2: and Zad Rogers, with Andrew Sang and Bella Celina. This

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Speaker 2: has been an atomized production for iHeart Video.

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Speaker 1: Ruthie's Table four brought to you by Sky and Montclair