1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Hey Vikings fans number ninety six. Bryan Robinson is bringing 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: NYC's cheesiest food stands to us Bank Stadium. Visit Mactruck, 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Mac and Cheese on Minnesota Vikings game days for a 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: new game time snack. This is a roster that already 5 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: had plenty of talent, yet just perhaps managing better in 6 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: those fruitful moments can make quite a good difference, which 7 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: has been really interesting to see as Kevin O'Connell has 8 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: kind of maneuvered all of that, and he looks over 9 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: to his left when he's sitting down and Bill Belichick 10 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 1: is taking notes, and it's like, what is Bill Belichick dor? 11 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: But Bill Belichick is like actually drawing pictures of plays. 12 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: This is the Minnesota Vikings Podcast as we try to 13 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: erase what happened on Sunday and look ahead to Thanksgiving. 14 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: I'm Tatum Everett alongside Gabe Henderson, J Nelson and producer 15 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: Eric Davidson. And guys, that was a tough, one huge 16 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: loss to the Cowboys at home, several players head coach 17 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 1: Coming O'Connell saying afterwards it just wasn't their brand of football. Yeah, 18 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: just wasn't their brand of football. That was My biggest takeaway, 19 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: it just doesn't fit what we've seen so far this year. 20 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,839 Speaker 1: Even in the loss earlier this season, it didn't feel 21 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: like it was just a complete uttered domination, you know, 22 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 1: And so I think that was what was so hard 23 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: to feel, like, you you finally had a you know, 24 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: another quality opponent here, and to just go out and 25 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: lay an egg like that just felt horrible. So even 26 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: at halftime, you're sitting there going, all right, you better 27 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: kick it in. You guys have been able to do 28 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: that so far this season. And and just the way 29 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: the Cowboys kept the foot on the throttle it was, 30 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: it was it was very demoralizing. Yeah, yeah, I think 31 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: what Kirk got pressure sixty three percent of all of 32 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: his pass jobs yesterday. So I mean with only one 33 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: turnover and he only scored three points. You give up 34 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: forty that that just wasn't It's not acceptable. But it 35 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: just wasn't fun to watch. Even if we were up 36 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: forty two three, it just wasn't fun to watch. So 37 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: it be more fun. Yeah, it would have been more fun. Yeah, 38 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: you're right, but yes, you have more fun. But I understands, Yeah, yeah, 39 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: it did. But I mean, at the same time, like 40 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: if it would have been forty three would have been fun. 41 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: It wouldn't have been that like cardiac like you know, 42 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: And there was a time in the third quarter I 43 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 1: was like, okay, like if they did come back in 44 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: this like, that'd be fine. I could see that. Tony 45 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: Pollard though, he's yeah, he's the man man. He is 46 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: on my fantasy team. I benched him yesterday. I'm not 47 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,519 Speaker 1: GOLIDI I've had Tony Potter my fantasy team for the 48 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,679 Speaker 1: last two years. Not that I'm like the you know, 49 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: a coach who can scheme of things, but I know 50 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,239 Speaker 1: what Tony Pollard can do. He's fantastic. Yeah, so Eric, 51 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: So did Eric Davison. I feel like Eric Davidson always 52 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: has did people who has the most fantasy Did you 53 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: trade for him this week or something? No, okay, because 54 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: he's yeah, you guys remember Eric traded the way before 55 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,679 Speaker 1: Joe Mixon went off for fifty So uh no. But 56 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: but yeah, Tony Pollard, I've always thought that he like 57 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: I personally like his versatility better than I like Zeke. 58 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: I understand Zeke kind of, you know, he does fall forward, 59 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: he gets the extra yards. But I've always liked Tony 60 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: Pollard and I was a little nervous about that because 61 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: of the way that he opens up the game, like 62 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: you can get the pressure on Dak, but Dak had 63 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: just done but to Tony and then he's off to 64 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: the races. Yeah, that's um. They have arguably a top 65 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: five one two punch in the NFL because of how 66 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: they balance each other out. And just watching the Cowboys 67 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 1: my entire life and seeing how Zeke's I guess athleticism 68 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: has kind of decline, the fact that he's kind of 69 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: accepted his role of being that power back and lay 70 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: Antoni be that speedster and a guy that can put 71 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: his foot in the ground and I mean run for 72 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: sixty or a run for thirty five like he did 73 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: Sunday night. That's what makes that Cowboys team that much 74 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: more better. So we didn't do a good job of 75 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: stopping him. But they have some really good guys on 76 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: their team. Also always say, you know, the guys on 77 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: the other side get paid too, for sure, so sometimes 78 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: you just have to live with it. Just not forty 79 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: two three. And they were a motivation, you know, defensively 80 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: on the Dallas side with x Vikings on that team 81 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: between Curse and George and just the way that it 82 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: felt like even with the drawing that happened between George 83 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: and Delvin, and you just kind of could tell there 84 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: was a little extra there. And even Jay Ryan doing 85 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: a little skull clap after he had that backfield tackle, 86 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: you could tell those guys are really wanting to put 87 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: it on there. And I think here's the other thing too, 88 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 1: think about the game that they had played the week 89 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: before at Green Bay, getting kind of embarrassed there at 90 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: the end of the game, and just there had to 91 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: be that terrible taste in their mouth like we have 92 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: right now. And that's, you know, something that I felt 93 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: like you were definitely gonna get the Cowboys best game. 94 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: But to feel like it went from you know, the 95 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: highs of the previous week to a forty to three 96 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: beating like that, that was something that just didn't feel 97 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: like it was going to happen. And I think on 98 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: top of that, Anthony Barr, who got rude out right 99 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: before the game that he wasn't going to play. I mean, 100 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about Harrison Phillips miked up last week 101 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: right before he played the Bills. In the huddle, he 102 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: was telling all the defensive linemen, Hey play this game 103 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: for me, Like win this game for me. And I 104 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: can only imagine Anthony Barr said the same thing to 105 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys of like, hey, this is the team 106 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: that that said I wasn't good enough to come back. 107 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: Win this game for me. I mean, Anthony Barr just there, 108 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: there was a chip on his shoulder. You can tell, 109 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: just being on the cylon that that the Cowboys had 110 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 1: something to prove last night. So the best thing about 111 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: Sunday's loss is the fact that we have four days 112 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: until the next game, so kind of get this thing out, 113 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: flush it, fix it, get ready for get ready for Thursday. Yeah, 114 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: when I talked to Adam Deelan after the game, I 115 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: thought he, you know, he was very candid and just said, 116 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: you know, we got kicked in the face today. But 117 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: he said it might be a good thing. It might 118 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: be a good thing that this happened, because it is 119 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: kind of like a shock to the system. You pull 120 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: off one of the most incredible regular season wins in 121 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: recent historian. Then you come out here and lay an 122 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: absolute egg. But you only have three four days to 123 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: get ready for the next one to try and bounce back. 124 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: There are other teams out there who have won Super Bowls, 125 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: who have had games like this. I know, I know 126 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: we were talking before the podcast that happened to the 127 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,679 Speaker 1: Saints on their Super Bowl run. It's a week eleven 128 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: weekifteen the Rams didn't win in November, Like, there's just 129 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: a lot to say about teams that can learn from 130 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 1: these mistakes and bounce back and come back. And so 131 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: I know we said this, I think a couple of 132 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 1: times this season already, but like this is a really 133 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: like season defining stretch and time for them. Can they 134 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: come back against the Patriots? The Jets, they're sneaky, but 135 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: I do think that they're definitely beatable. You have them 136 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 1: at home, you have the Colts, Like, there's definitely a 137 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: path to continue to continue all like this. At the 138 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: end of the day, you're still eight and two, you 139 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: still have a hold of the NFC North, and the 140 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: Packers lost and the Packers lost, so we're one in 141 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: one this week. But the thing about so one one 142 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: if we went on Thursday, Yeah, that's the thing is 143 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: is I think if you do turn around and keep 144 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: playing the way you have been against a Patriots team 145 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 1: like this on Thursday, then I think people will feel like, yeah, 146 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: you're raided the ship. I think if you go out 147 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: and lay another egg in defensively, they come after you, 148 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: and it just feels like, all of a sudden, like 149 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: it doesn't feel right. Then you're going to see a 150 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: lot more people going from the it's one game to 151 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: starting to smash the panic button a little bit more publicly. 152 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: But I personally feel like we have seen the makeup 153 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: of this team so far this season, and I do 154 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: not feel like what happened on Sunday night is going 155 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: to be just kind of glossed over. I think there's 156 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: going to be a little bit of hell to pay 157 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: come Thursday night. We certainly hope for the best a 158 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: turnaround on Thursday. But before we get to previewing this 159 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: Patriots Vikings matchup with our podcast guest Chad Graff of 160 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: The Athletic, who used to cover the Vikings, let's get 161 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: to our three M play of the week from the 162 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: Field of the Roof and everywhere in between. Three M. 163 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: The official science partner of the Minnesota Vikings is here. 164 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: Visit Vikings dot com backslash school Science to learn more 165 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: on this catch in the Vikings game. Receiver Adam Feelin 166 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: surpassed Jake Read for fourth all time and yardage as 167 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: a Vikings receiver. Vikings all of one on third down 168 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: digs tracking Jefferson who heads to the in front of 169 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: Cousins who boots opped to the left out on the 170 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: shop gun throws on third down coop first out. I'm 171 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: dealing with the fourteen right by the boundary, and Kirk 172 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: is like, all right, seven can play a little bit. 173 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: Let me find this nickel durn Bland, the rookie from 174 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: a Presido state, and make him look as spicy as 175 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: his last name. It was an eleven yard catch, first down. Guys. 176 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: It was also the Vikings soul third down conversion in 177 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: the game. Couldn't all be good? Right? I have to 178 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: say that three M is making me no, I'm kidding. 179 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: It is the three playoff week play official Science partner 180 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: of the Minnesota Vikings. Yeah. You know, it was a 181 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: tough call this week. Thanks to Jay for the save 182 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: on that one. I was like, can't pick a field goal? 183 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: I was almost like, should we just do the Tony 184 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: Polar touchdown because that was when the Dagger was in 185 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: the game. But you know, I'm glad you saved us 186 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: with a nice Adam feeling twist to it. Yeah, I 187 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: think about the fact that, you know, as Adam has 188 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: talked about how many times grown up as a kid 189 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: in Minnesota during that kind of Indiadish era and knowing 190 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: what those kind of players have meant to him as 191 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 1: a kid, and now kind of living out his dream 192 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: here with the Minnesota Vikings. The fact that he passed 193 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: a guy like Jake Reid is something huge, and he's 194 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: basically just behind Chris Carter, Moss and Anthony Carter on 195 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: the list, and so I think that moment, you know, 196 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: we were kind of citing that even going into the 197 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: game of if this happens, then he's going to get 198 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: to that milestone, and when he did, you know, I 199 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: think it was a great thing on our end, just 200 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: to be able to sit there and recognize the fact 201 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: that his improbable journey has now led him to at 202 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: the current time, fourth all time in Viking's history, and 203 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 1: I think it's pretty special and something that should be celebrated. 204 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: For sure. His story is definitely going to be one 205 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: that Vikings fans will remember forever. He'll have a long 206 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: career after this, being on our media content series and 207 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: maybe he'll even join me and at some point he's great. 208 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: He's a great personality to have on air. He said 209 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: he wants to do it. He said he wants to 210 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: be in the media once he gets done. I can 211 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: see that he has the personality for Yeah, he'll be 212 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: fine open door policy to be able to come in 213 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: for MVP podcast guest, Right right, Yeah, let's do it. 214 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: Let's do it, and let's take a look at the 215 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: division now. The Lions win their third straight with a 216 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: thirty one to eighteen victory over the Giants. Guys, the 217 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: Lions are they for reels. They're starting to finally figure 218 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 1: it out. I thinks a great point. But that's a 219 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: thing like they're starting to finally figure it out. Like 220 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: you saw all of the positivity and the hope and 221 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: the hype from Hard Knocks and everything from training camp, 222 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: and the one thing that you understood was Dan Campbell 223 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: as a coach was going to sit there and put 224 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: everything he could to make this right in to fix it, 225 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: for them to start the way that they did, and 226 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: defensively to just be as struggling as much as they did, 227 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: for them to finally all of a sudden start ripping 228 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: off thirty one points on offense, and then on this one, 229 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: you know, holding a Giants team that had been doing 230 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: pretty well to only eighteen points. Defensively, that's where the 231 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: difference was. They were scoring points before, but defensively, you know, 232 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: them being able to hold an opponent under twenty points 233 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: is a huge deal. Yeah, se Quon Parkley only rushed 234 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: for twenty two year yards. A lot of fantasy owners 235 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: out there had their hopes up on getting those double 236 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: digits and they didn't. Yeah, I think yeah, with fifteen 237 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: carries also, so I mean their definition of their team 238 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: is great. Yeah, like that that's all great is stopping 239 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: the run. So, like Jason, I think they're figuring it out. 240 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: I don't think they're the most talented team, but they 241 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: play within their means. Yeah. I think that we got 242 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 1: them at a good time in the beginning of the season, 243 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 1: and I think that even though it's a close one 244 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: and has always felt like it's been close with every 245 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: team basically except for two or three, it's definitely giving 246 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: me a little bit of worry as we head down 247 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,319 Speaker 1: the stretch here. They're a squad that we have typically 248 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: in years past struggled against, especially at Detroit like they 249 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: have given us fits. Even in seasons where we've we've 250 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: been playing well for whatever reason, Detroit has given us fits. 251 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: And so yeah, now that they're on this path, if 252 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: all of a sudden they now have some tendencies that 253 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: they're going to show and coaches have some chances to 254 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: kind of go through in scheme for whatever they're currently 255 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: doing now to fix their issues, that'll still we still 256 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: got a couple of weeks yet before we face them. 257 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: But if they continue on this path and they're finally 258 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: figuring it out and getting some confidence on their end, yeah, 259 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: they're not going to be a ke walk. They're gonna 260 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: be a team that we're gonna have to fight through 261 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: in Detroit. The game at Detroit last year reminds me 262 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: of the game last night, just how deflating it was. 263 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: Like the Detroit lines when we played them last year 264 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,599 Speaker 1: with eleven oh and twelve and then we lost to 265 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: them on the last play at a game. And then 266 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: we had the Pittsburgh Stellers on Thursday night and it 267 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 1: was like, oh my gosh, we just gave up this 268 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: terrible loss. And then the Vikings offense just came out 269 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: the first half of that Pittsburgh Steelers game on Thursday 270 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 1: and just it was lights out. So I hope that 271 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: is a testament of what this week can be for 272 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: this Minnesota Vikings team against this new England Patriots team, 273 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: because I do think the only team right now and 274 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: we have to worry about in the division is the 275 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 1: Detroit Line. So hopefully that is a symbolism of what 276 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: is to come for this Minnesota Vikings team. Wow, who 277 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: the thought? I mean, a lot of preseason predictions. People 278 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: were really high on the Lions after their hard knocks. 279 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: People were also very high on the Green Bay Packers, 280 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: who are now four and seven. They lost on Thursday 281 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: to the Titans twenty seven seventeen. You know, you thought 282 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 1: maybe that they kind of could figure it out. After 283 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 1: they overtime win, You're like, oh, well, maybe this is 284 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: their their comeback hour. But it didn't. They fell short. Obviously. 285 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: The only bright spot really was Christian Watson kind of 286 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: flashing on the scene the last couple of weeks. He's 287 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: been playing like a play if you owned him, that's 288 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: a good That's sorry, everything goes back to fantasy for me. 289 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: But here's the thing with Watson though, if you remember 290 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: that first week, you know, he had the first wide 291 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: open drop against US and that kind of set the 292 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: tone for that game once they dropped that ball. He's 293 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 1: now leading all rookies I believe in touchdown receptions and 294 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: it's basically he's been catching touchdowns for the last three weeks, 295 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: so five touchdowns in two games. Yeah, So he's somebody 296 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: that I think that, you know, if Rogers has been 297 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: looking for somebody that he can really focus on and 298 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: become an integral part of that offense. The kids got 299 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: some speed, and he's now shown, you know, he's got 300 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,199 Speaker 1: the ability to make some moves and score some touchdowns, 301 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: and so that's something that at least they can hang 302 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: their hat on. I just hope he keeps dropping the 303 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: ball too, and I think he had like four drops 304 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: in the past two weeks also, so continue that on 305 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: January first. Christian Watson, Yeah, he's he's the you know, 306 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: honestly kind of the epitome of a boomer Bus type player, 307 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: where when he's on, you know, he can definitely be 308 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: a huge part of that offense. But if you're dropping passes, 309 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: that's the quickest way to get yourself in the doghouse 310 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: on that offense, especially with Sir Aaron Rodgers center. Bears 311 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: drop another one twenty four to the Falcons, three and 312 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: eight on the season. I've just never seen a team 313 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: that can put up such good numbers and then just 314 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: consistently loose. Are we over this whole Justin Field type now? 315 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: Because like every week is like Justin Field's break this 316 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: record or he's showing promise, but they keep losing. Defense 317 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: is bad because they're selling all their parts away. But 318 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: it's like I get it, but it's like you lost, 319 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: so like, let's stop making this Bears game will win. Well, 320 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: I think they're just asking him to prove himself, and 321 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: he's really proving himself. If they can build things around him, 322 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: like if he was doing really bad right now, then 323 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: you're like, okay, he has no future yet and it's 324 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: completely blow up the entire rock exactly. And so the 325 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: hard part for them was that they had gone out 326 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: all in and defensively financially, you know, when the Bears 327 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: traditionally have had top tier defense trying to figure out 328 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: you know, essentially since Jay Cutler, what do we got 329 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: at quarterback? And they took a chance on this kid. 330 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: They blew up the front office, they blew up the 331 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: coaching and they're like, we're putting our eggs in this 332 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: kid's basket to see what he's going to do this season, 333 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: because if he's not it, and there's this giant quarterback 334 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: draft coming next year, we got to figure out if 335 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: we need to move on from this guy or not. 336 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: And he has shown that he has the physical talents 337 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: to get it done. But you know, there are other 338 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: ways that the Bears have been finding ways to lose, 339 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: like the fact that Carderal Patterson hit the NFL return 340 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: record and touchdowns yesterday with one hundred three yard return, 341 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: and that was the thing. The Bears had the lead, 342 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: but they could not hold on to it. And when 343 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: Flash basically hit that that kick return touchdown, that was 344 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: the spark for that LNFL cons to make that comeback. 345 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: And so the Bears are again probably the prototype of 346 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: younger team trying to figure it out. And if if 347 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: a guy like Justin Fields can show that he is 348 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: the guy they should rally around for the future, then 349 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: you know this season is going to be quote unquote 350 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: a loss season, but it's going to be something where 351 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: they're going to figure out what they have personnel wise, 352 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: for their future. Definitely, just a totally different situation than 353 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: with the Vikings have found themselves in which, you know, 354 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: the two programs just drew so many comparisons with the 355 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: whole front office, new GM, new coach, GM, new coach, 356 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: and then here we are they. I mean, the Bears 357 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: didn't let Ryan Poles leave leave their office when he 358 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: was going through his I guess interview carousel. I guess 359 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: he had the Vikings next on his interview carousel. So 360 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: I mean a lot of fans are like saying what if, 361 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: like what if? What if this would have happened? Or 362 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: what if that would have happened? But I like the 363 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: way the Vikings sit right now. I know this isn't 364 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: the most upbeat podcast, but the fact that we're sitting 365 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: here eight and two and they should go. Bears are 366 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: you know, tie for you know, second overall draft pick 367 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty three NFL Draft. I like our 368 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 1: chances on what we can continue to do as a 369 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: team and as we continue to look forward. Up next 370 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: is the Patriots on Thanksgiving Night, and here to get 371 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: us ready for the Thanksgiving game is Chad Graff with 372 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: the athletic And now let's welcome in our guest to 373 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings podcast. An old friend who used to 374 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: cover the Vikings for the Athletic now covering the Patriots 375 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: for the Athletic. It's Chad Graff, who is going to 376 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: be back in Minnesota on Thursday. Welcome Chad. Thanks for 377 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: doing this. Thanks guys, it's good to hear from you. 378 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: It's it's good to be back. I think, you know, 379 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: for these holiday ones, most of the beat writers aren't 380 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: exactly looking forward to it. I think I'm the only 381 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: one here in New England that's actually looking forward to 382 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: coming back and spending the holiday there. I think the 383 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 1: real question is do you just go back to your 384 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: old house and just reset your table for Thanksgiving and 385 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: your family in and do it like that or how 386 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: do you do it? Yeah, I'm sure I probably left 387 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: some dishes behind. There's something that I can clean up to. 388 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: It's going to be a little bit weird, I think, 389 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 1: but but mostly fun. I'm and just fun to see 390 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: everybody you know and kind of see firsthand this team 391 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: that has kind of taken taken the rest of the 392 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 1: league by storm. Yeah. It's interesting because I think obviously 393 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: last season when you covered them, it was six of 394 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: eight losses in close games or one score games, and 395 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: now you've got this team that previously to the routing 396 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 1: on Sunday it was seven straight. It's just kind of 397 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: incredible the way this coaching staff has turned things around 398 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: as far as the team in close situations. What have 399 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: you observed from Afar? Well, it's been interesting on two notes, 400 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: because one, you guys know how it is where when 401 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: you come up from the press box locker room you're 402 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: kind of checking some of the scores afterwards, and the 403 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: number of times of this season I've looked in like, wow, 404 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 1: they want another close one, they want another close one, 405 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: or you go down to the locker room, catch that 406 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: the Vikings are losing with five minutes left and come 407 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: back up, Oh they won. So it's been interesting to 408 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,199 Speaker 1: see them win the kind of games that for the 409 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: five or so years that I cover them, they really 410 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: didn't win many of or struggle to even get over 411 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: five hundred. And I think that is where I've been 412 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: most impressed with Kevin O'Connell and the job that he's 413 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 1: done is I'll admit I was skeptical when he was hired, 414 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: not in his abilities or his charismo, which I think 415 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: are obvious from the start, but I was skeptical that 416 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,239 Speaker 1: a coach could make that much of a difference in 417 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: one score games. And it's not like Mike Zimmer was 418 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: a bad coach. And yet I think just seeing that 419 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: the culture that Kevin O'Connell has brought, think the game 420 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: management style, it's shown that this is a roster that 421 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: already had plenty of talent and just perhaps managing better 422 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: in those crucial moments and those late games can make 423 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: quite a big difference, which has been really interesting to 424 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: see as Kevin O'Connell has kind of maneuvered all of that. 425 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 1: How do you see that, you know, shaking out on Sunday? 426 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: When a story that comes to mind is Kevin O'Connell 427 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: his first owners meeting this year and he said it 428 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 1: he was in the head coaches meeting. He was like, man, 429 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: this is weird. And he looks over to his left 430 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: when he's sitting down and Bill Belichick is taking notes, 431 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: and it's like, what is Bill Belichick doing? But Bill 432 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: Belichick is like actually drawing pictures of plays, So like, 433 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: how do you see this going? Shaking out on Sunday 434 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: with a young head coach who's still trying to figure 435 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 1: it out, versus Bill Belichick, who you know it's going 436 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 1: to be a Hall of Famer someday. Yeah, it's funny 437 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: you bring that up. I was just listening back to 438 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: the last interview that I did before leaving Minnesota, which 439 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 1: was with Kevin O'Connell talking about Bill Belichick four this 440 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: week basically, and he was a third round pick to 441 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 1: the New England Patriots, went there as the third string quarterback. 442 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: This is two thousand and eight when Tom Brady is 443 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: coming off of the best season of his career, the 444 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: year with Randy Moss where they broke every record, and 445 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: he was like, I'm just going to be a red 446 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: shirt guy. Basically, I'm the third string. I don't matter. 447 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: I could watch all of this and then Tom Brady 448 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,239 Speaker 1: cares his ACL Week one and suddenly he's worked with 449 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: back Affole and basically he was saying, went from an 450 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: afterthought to sitting in Bill Belichick's office breaking down film 451 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: with him. Think You're like, man, I was at San 452 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: Diego State a year ago, and now I'm sitting with 453 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick going through everything, and he said it blew 454 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: him away. How good Bill Belichick was situationally and how 455 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: much emphasis he put there of not just third down 456 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: in red zone, but how detailed he was of Hey, 457 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: on second and medium, this is what they do over 458 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 1: and over and then you know they get to game 459 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 1: tive and sure enough, if Bill Belichick said, on this play, 460 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: in this situation, from this hash mark, they're going to 461 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: be doing this, sure enough that team was doing that. 462 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting to see, I think, how these 463 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: two teams match up, not just from the coaching standpoint, 464 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 1: but also from what the coaches are good at. Like 465 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: Bill Belizer, of course is good at many things special teams. 466 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: He's had some of the most prolific offenses too, but 467 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: at his roots he's a defensive guy. At his roots, 468 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell is an offensive guy. And when you look 469 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: at these strengths to Payos, no doubt couldn't be work. 470 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: Wasn't Their defense is very good, their offense is very bad, 471 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: and of course I think you'd say that the Vikings 472 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 1: offense is their strength. So what does Bill Belichick do 473 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: to try to mitigate this Vikings offense? Is interesting, especially 474 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: since Bill Belichick what he always does or what he 475 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: always tried to do is take away your best weapon, 476 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: and I know ten teams before them have tried to 477 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 1: take away Justin Jefferson, mostly without success. But that has 478 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: got to be I think the patriots number one focus 479 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: coming into this Thanksgiving game. It was already a little 480 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 1: intimidating facing Bill Belichick on a short week as a 481 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: first year head coach, and now you've got a loss 482 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: forty to three at home against the Cowboys, who also 483 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: have a very very good defense. I wonder how much 484 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: Belichick saw that and thinks, you know, I'm seeing what 485 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: I can take advantage of. What do you think, Chad Well, 486 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: I think the big thing that's jumped out to me 487 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: kind of looking at this game is the pass rush. 488 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 1: I know there's been a ton of talk about Minnesota's 489 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: offensive line going back several years before any of the 490 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: three of us ever started covering them. But the Vikings 491 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: I think have some reason for optimism. Christian Derris I 492 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: was putting together an awesome season, and when he comes back, 493 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: I'm sure he will continue too. But when you look 494 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: at the Patriots and the Cowboys and how they're built, 495 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: they rank one in two in pressure rate Cowboys or 496 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: one Patriots in two and yet neither team blitzes all 497 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 1: that much. They're one of the few teams that's able 498 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,959 Speaker 1: to get home with only four pass rushers. And so 499 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 1: I think as Bill Belichick watches that tape last night, 500 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: this morning, throughout the week, that's got to make him 501 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: pleased watching what the Cowboys were able to do getting 502 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: that much pressure on Kirk Cousins without blisting all that much. 503 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: I think that's got to be the Patriots is kind 504 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: of key to success of Yes, you gotta take away 505 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson, and good luck doing so. But maybe the 506 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: best way to take him away isn't too necessars just 507 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: have cloud coverage or double coverage or whatever you're going 508 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: to do the back end, but it's to make sure 509 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: that you're getting after Kirk Cousins as fast as possible. 510 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: And maybe the Patriots aren't quite the Cowboys, but they're 511 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 1: the second best in the league. And so I think 512 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: it's a tough task as the Vikings try to replace 513 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: Christian derrisof for this one to go up against this 514 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: Patriots front. Yeah, that's a good point. I mean, I 515 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 1: would just assume that Matt Judon would be over Blake 516 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 1: Brando when it comes to just rushing the passer. But 517 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: going back to you know, Tatum's question, I would honestly 518 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: think the opposite, right. I mean, you've got two teams 519 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 1: that haven't scored a touchdown in our game this past Sunday. 520 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: So it was like, why would you even turn on 521 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: the film of this game where it's just two terrible offense. 522 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: It's like, you do you think the Vikings and the 523 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: Patriots will go back, you know, a week before our 524 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: guest for the Vikings two weeks before when the Indianapolis 525 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: Coast played the New England Patriots. Possibly, But I think 526 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 1: you picked pretty much any game and you're not going 527 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 1: to see a very good offense from the Patriots. It 528 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: has been surprising to me, shocking really how bad this 529 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: has been. Bill Belichick in the off season brought in 530 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: Matt Patricia and Joe Judge, both coming off of failed 531 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: head coaching stints, and handed them to the Keys kind 532 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: of carpe watched to do whatever they wanted with the offense. 533 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,239 Speaker 1: This was Josh mcdaniels's baby for over a decade. He'd 534 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: been in New England for a long time, and he 535 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: and route to getting the job in Las Vegas with 536 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: the Raiders made mac Jones the best rookie quarterback. He 537 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: was better than Justin Fields a year ago. He's better 538 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: than Trevor Lauren. It was looking like mac Jones was 539 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 1: going to be the guy for years and years to come. 540 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: The Patriots had suddenly found another quarterback. But I think 541 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 1: it goes to show how much coaching impacts not just 542 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: all of football, but the quarterback position, especially that Matt 543 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 1: Patrician and Joe Judge come in the offense changes. Matt 544 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 1: Jones has been one of the worst quarterbacks in the NFL, 545 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: the worst went pressured, which is something to keep in 546 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: mind as Denarius and Danille potentially try to ruin his day. 547 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 1: But the Patriots just don't do a lot well offensively. 548 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: They can run the ball, They've got two good running backs, 549 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: but offensively, you're not going to find much from the Patriots. 550 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: They're going to try to beat you seventeen to ten 551 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: in a defensive game, you know, trying to take advantage 552 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: of fuel position, with the amount of time that Bill 553 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: Belichick spends on special teams, trying to have good punt 554 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: coverage units, punt units. If the Patriots have their way, 555 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: this is going to be an ugly, low scoring game 556 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: that has the nation kind of full on turkey, half 557 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: asleep until the fourth course. That's what I was thinking. 558 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 1: It's like Primetime. I hope, you know in this case though, 559 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: they can't change the channel on our game. Yeah did 560 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: you hear about that? That was I was sitting in 561 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: the press box and I looked up and thought, oh, 562 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: maybe it's on red Zone. Maybe I'm I didn't have 563 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: this sound on sure enough on Twitter, come to find 564 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 1: out what actually happened. Chad, what are you What are 565 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: you most looking forward to about being back in Minnesota? 566 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 1: I mean, of course we got the game, but it's 567 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: rare we you know, in this industry that we get 568 00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: opportunities like this to you know, go back and over. Well, 569 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 1: I guess Face a former team that we used to cover, 570 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 1: especially during the holiday season. Yeah, there's there's so much 571 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: that I'm actually looking forward to. I kind of wish 572 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: it was a Sunday game because I'd come out earlier 573 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: and spend more time and everything. But it's everything from friends. 574 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: I lived in Minnesota for a decade, truly thought we 575 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: would never leave. It's where we bought our first house. 576 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: Scott married, had kids like it's kind of where we 577 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 1: grew up. So I'm excited to see old friends. I'm 578 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 1: excited to see old colleagues. I'm excited just to be 579 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: in Minneapolis. I'm gonna go get a burger at Parlor, 580 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get an old fashioned at Red Cow, I'm 581 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 1: gonna get a coffee at Spyhouse. Like I'm just excited 582 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: to be back in Minnesota to a place, you know 583 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: that was so good to me and my family. So 584 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: I'm super excited to be back. That's awesome. Well I'm 585 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 1: going to end on that note because that's such a 586 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: great sentiment. We're so excited to have you back as well. 587 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: Excited to see the Patriots here a big Thanksgiving night 588 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: game for the Vikings. Chad, We'll see you're all soon. 589 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: Have a safe trip out here, perfect Thanks a lot, 590 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: and thanks for having me. Thanks for joining us. That 591 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: was Chad Graft from The Athletic. Thank you, Chad. Thanks 592 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 1: to Chad for taking the time out to come on 593 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: the show. Obviously, it's a short week for everyone. Up 594 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: next year eight and two, Vikings return to play the 595 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 1: Patriots primetime on Thanksgiving Night, and it is a bit 596 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 1: of an abbreviated content schedule for us. So, Gay, why 597 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: don't you get us going? What do we expect from 598 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 1: the Audible this week? Yeah, we got no players, but 599 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: still tune in because we're doing a best of addition. 600 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: So we filmed ten episodes of The Audible. If you've 601 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: listened to all of them or watched all of them, 602 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: thank you, But if you have not, we will kind 603 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: of condense it down to some of the greatest moments 604 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: that we've had thus far this season, So make sure 605 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: you check that out. It'll be a great Friday night 606 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: edition of the show that's right after the Vikings win. 607 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: Watch your favorite players talk a little about each other, 608 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: get to know them better. I think that's the one 609 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: thing about Audible this year that's been great is that 610 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: so many of the conversations are about who they are 611 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: as people, you know. I think I think that's the 612 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: moment that we'll be making the best of. So if 613 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: you want to highlight reel, definitely check it out. Dropping 614 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: very soon, either about the same time as this podcast 615 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: or a little bit later is my Network interview with 616 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: the Pat McAfee shows Boston Connor Giant Patriots fan. He 617 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: does you know Gas them up a whole lot in 618 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: this interview, but he's quite hilarious. I'm not sure if 619 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: you guys have been following this, but he has the 620 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: whole show, has a huge beef with Victor the Viking 621 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: and their trolls. He's a troll, as in Victor's a 622 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: troll and he talks about that. So we just had 623 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: a ton of fun. He's a great personality, even talked 624 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: about us on their show today as him doing the interview. 625 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: So gotta find you know, the love from them and 626 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: check that one out because it's going to be funny, 627 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,479 Speaker 1: probably something you haven't really experienced before in our content 628 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: because you know, we need to get more clowns on 629 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: the show. They're funny. It's always good. I mean, anytime 630 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: you can pair the sports with kind of the funny 631 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: side of that kind of stuff too, it just helps 632 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: make it lighthearted. Speaking of Jay the tailgates back this week, 633 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: that is correct. Yeah, We've got Josh Gondelman, who is 634 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: a gigantic pats Nutt and one of Size's best friends 635 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: on this show. He's been circling this one for the 636 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: entire calendar, saying this is going to be a great 637 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: one and he was super excited after the recording happened, 638 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: so we're looking forward to it. That will be a 639 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: podcast only version this week because of the game on 640 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: Thursday night. We're in our normal cafe and on air schedule, 641 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: so you're gonna have to check out the podcast. But 642 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: that means you're going to get all the best stuff 643 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: from that interview and check it out. Josh Gondelman on 644 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: the tailgate with Side and that will drop Thursday morning. 645 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: Just got a slack from Eliah. Episode three of Talking 646 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: Get Up is out on Friday, so we got Justin Jefferson, 647 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: Harrison Smith, and Chris Boyd in the chairs this week, 648 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: so make sure you tune into that also, So yeah, 649 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: it'll be fun. That's a heck of a trio. Yeah, 650 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: and the conversation was great and I know a lot 651 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: of people will watch it because of JJ and Harrison Smith, 652 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: but Chris Boyd stole the show and he always does 653 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: as he always does. But JJ was good. Also. I 654 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: think it's we'll see another side of Justin that fans 655 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: having seen before. So what a tease. It'll be good. 656 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: Nice all right, guys, Well, like we said, it is 657 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: a short week. We have a game on Thursday Night 658 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: at us Being Stadium against the Patriots. 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