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Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 2: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the New

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Speaker 2: York Football Giants.

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Speaker 1: My name is John Schmelk.

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Speaker 2: Today we're going to talk to Paul Kaharski, who has

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Speaker 2: been covering the Tennessee Titans for a very long time.

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Speaker 2: You can find his work at Paul Kaharski dot com.

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Speaker 2: You'll find him on Twitter at Paul Koharski NFL. And

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Speaker 2: the reason we wanted to talk to Paul today, we've

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Speaker 2: had him on before. He's been part of our mock

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Speaker 2: drafts in the spring when the Titans are picking around

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Speaker 2: the Giants, which they are again this year.

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Speaker 1: By the way, so we'll hear from Paul again later

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Speaker 1: on in the spring.

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Speaker 2: The Giants have brought in a lot of former coaches

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Speaker 2: that were with the Tennessee Titans, so we thought it

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Speaker 2: would be a good idea to get a feel for

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Speaker 2: what those coaches bring to the table.

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Speaker 1: Paul, it's good to talk to you man, how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm well, thanks for having me. Good to see it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good to see you as well. Here. So let's

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Speaker 1: start here, give me your overarching twenty thousand foot view.

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Speaker 2: We'll start with Giants new defensive coordinator Shane Bowen and

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Speaker 2: what his defense was in Tennessee.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think Shane Bowen, when the Titans were

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Speaker 4: at their best and had their best talent, was a

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Speaker 4: pretty good coordinator.

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Speaker 3: Though.

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Speaker 4: You know, everything with Mike Rabel's defensive staff comes couched

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Speaker 4: with the fact that Mike Rabel was a strong head coach,

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Speaker 3: Obviously.

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Speaker 4: I do think after some initial bibbles where maybe he

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Speaker 3: In New England, that that and.

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Speaker 4: Then the transition year where he didn't have a defensive

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Speaker 4: acting in that regard that that he kind of clarified

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Speaker 4: promoted Shane gave him the title, took him off of

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Speaker 4: more and I think, you know, the Titans, like most

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Speaker 4: reasonable success when they had good talent. You know, in

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Speaker 4: the last year and a half, they did not have

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Speaker 4: good good talent, and so I think Shane went as

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Speaker 4: as the talent went. And when I'm talking about bad talent,

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Speaker 4: I'm talking about really significantly bad talent. I mean, they

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Speaker 4: had some really big misses in the draft. Caleb Farley

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Speaker 3: Was so far down in the dump.

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Speaker 4: So you take what have been, you know, their number

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, Paul, it's funny. The second note for what

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Speaker 1: How much is rabel philosophy?

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Speaker 2: Might me see some different things now that he's away

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Speaker 1: What's your feel for that?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think they're of the same philosophy, right. Bowen

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Speaker 3: And then there's going to be some some back and forth,

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Speaker 3: well what about this? How about that?

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Speaker 4: You know, and and they kind of shape shape things together.

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Speaker 4: You know, and Vrabel was big always on saying, you know,

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Speaker 4: it's it's about the players, not about the coaches, and

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Speaker 4: of build things around him defensively, you know, they they

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Speaker 4: they were at their best, when they played their best,

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Speaker 4: That's that's what they were able to do this last season.

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Speaker 4: Jeffrey Simmons obviously their best defensive player, as Kevin Byern

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Speaker 4: then previously you'd seen Bud Dupree on the outside, you know,

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Speaker 4: of philosophically how they operated coverage multiplicity of ve Abel

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Speaker 4: I don't think from Shane Bowen is edge players who

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Speaker 4: a very disciplined rush mentality in terms of that, and

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Speaker 4: for opportunities to corral the quarterback, if you will. That's

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Speaker 4: something they talked about a lot when they were playing

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Speaker 1: That great information.

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Speaker 2: That kind of reminds me of the Patriots philosophy, right,

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Speaker 2: kind of more of those power, straight ahead rushers, the

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Speaker 1: There, great information you mentioned.

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Speaker 2: The front the run defense with Tennessee obviously was a strength,

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Speaker 2: and what impressed me, Paul taking a look at some

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Speaker 2: was it about the Titans and their ability to stop

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Speaker 2: The inside linebackers. He had something to do with it.

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Speaker 2: What was it about the way they structured their defense

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Speaker 4: Well, Autri and Simmons key all of that. Simmons, you know,

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Speaker 3: It's not quite lived up.

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Speaker 4: And certainly the last two years he's dealt with with injuries.

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Speaker 4: he didn't force it with him. He probably could have

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Speaker 4: but he's an excellent run defender. Autrey's a great, great

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Speaker 4: They're inside linebackers, which were weakness this year. Aziz al

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Speaker 4: They generally play the Titans have with smaller, faster, inside

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Speaker 3: Rice was a third rounder who was cost him too much.

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Speaker 4: Fast guys who could cover ground and could cover but

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Speaker 3: I expect he'll be back.

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Speaker 4: more effective, So I don't I think that was by

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Speaker 3: But also those are easier players.

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Speaker 4: Shane may carry that with him there, depending on what

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Speaker 4: Brian wants and what the what you know personnel wants

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Speaker 3: But they also were very effective at tier.

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Speaker 4: Tart was a big run stopping interior defensive lineman who's

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Speaker 4: an undrafted rookie several years ago. This was his contract year.

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Speaker 4: He played very well in that role, and this year

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Speaker 4: things fell apart. He was obsessed with his con track

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Speaker 3: I think it costs himself.

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Speaker 4: the Titans were good. They just kept finding defensive linemen.

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Speaker 4: But so when Schwartz got here, the Titans did start

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Speaker 2: they were top five in the use of quarters coverage

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Speaker 4: And part of it is that the rush, you know,

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Speaker 3: The corners just weren't good enough.

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Speaker 4: One of these guys that Rabel, along with David Long

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Speaker 3: Some of it's just bad luck.

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Speaker 1: And I would say those issues are more personnel based

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know what they're getting out of an

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Speaker 3: You know, do you want to line up? The other thing?

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Speaker 4: That the question under under Shane and and throughout Rabel's term.

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Speaker 4: And Shane has said this multiple times. We asked, you know,

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Speaker 1: Wow. So there's no option of whether the press or

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Speaker 4: All we hear about is these X plays that were

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Speaker 4: But if that means that you're playing at eight yards.

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Speaker 3: On third and six, yeah, well you know they.

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Speaker 2: let's talk about third down. You mentioned it earlier. Not

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Speaker 2: But I did notice they stunked a lot on third downs.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think they just try to mix it up,

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Speaker 4: in tight quarters played better. So part of that is

442
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 4: the corners don't have to turn and run and chase

443
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Speaker 4: people with the threat of covering that much more space.

444
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,159
Speaker 4: But you know, to me, that is a big way

445
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 4: to judge a defense. You know what you do down

446
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 4: there and how often you can keep four points off

447
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 4: the board, and you know, if you had the list

448
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 4: the best things about the Titans defense over the last

449
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 4: couple of years, red zone defenses is the forte probably

450
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 4: of this team. They took great pride in it. They

451
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 4: worked really hard on it in training camp and they

452
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 4: got really good results. So I think that's something Giants

453
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 4: fans should should anticipate being good and expect, expect to

454
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Speaker 4: be good, and and have questions about it if it

455
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Speaker 4: doesn't get good.

456
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Speaker 3: Ball.

457
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Speaker 2: I got two more on the defense, and I want

458
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Speaker 2: to ask you about Tim Kelly, Ryan Cabin, and Zach

459
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 2: kor the other three guys that they've brought in over

460
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 2: the years from the Titan staff.

461
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Speaker 1: So let's do the two on the defense. First Takeaways.

462
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Speaker 2: That's the one thing that I noticed, maybe you didn't

463
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 2: get a ton of with this Titans defense was just

464
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 2: a matter of guys not making plays. To your point,

465
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 2: the corners not being able to really locate the ball

466
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 2: and make plays on it. Or is this something more

467
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 2: native to the scheme that they run.

468
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Speaker 4: I mean they preached it like crazy, talk about him

469
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 4: coming in bunches and all of that. They get one

470
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 4: once in a while. They don't create anything on special

471
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 4: teams either, which has been a big area of contention

472
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 4: to fire. Finally fire the special teams coach during during

473
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 4: the season for a unit that was big, underachieving, but

474
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 4: they preached it. I mean they try to punch it out.

475
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 4: I think the corners aren't facing the ball that that often.

476
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Speaker 4: But I also think they're not that skilled. You know.

477
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Speaker 4: I'm Anie Hooker, who I mentioned earlier is a pretty

478
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,199
Speaker 4: good turnover guy. But you know, if I'm looking for

479
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 4: names after that strip Sacks, I think it's a little

480
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 4: bit surprising that they don't haven't gotten more of them,

481
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:48,199
Speaker 4: considering the caliber of guys that they have chasing the quarterback.

482
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Speaker 4: But you know, but Owen preached it over and over

483
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Speaker 4: and over and it just didn't happen for them. And

484
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Speaker 4: I think it's a reflection of the insufficiencies as a

485
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 4: as a unit to a degree, you know, and they

486
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 4: talked about that, like Simmons in particular, take it to

487
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 4: the next level. We have to get it, get the

488
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 4: ball out more.

489
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Speaker 3: It just didn't have.

490
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Speaker 5: You're ready for a change. Pay Day comes early with citizens,

491
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 5: so go to that retreat. Knew you moves to the country.

492
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Speaker 5: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are

493
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Speaker 5: you ready for all that life brings?

494
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Speaker 4: All?

495
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Speaker 1: Right?

496
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Speaker 2: Last one on the defense real quick. You talked about

497
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 2: customizing your defense of the players. That was something Mike

498
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: Vrabel preach, which is not surprising. It comes from the Patriots.

499
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 2: That's all they did into England, right, They figured out

500
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Speaker 2: what the players do do they put them in the

501
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 2: right spot. So how much week to week are we

502
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Speaker 2: going to see with the Giants at the start of

503
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 2: the season. For one, for example, got like Deonta Banks

504
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 2: playing more press man, that's what he's good at.

505
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Speaker 1: Will they make those sorts of adjustments?

506
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Speaker 2: And then number two, how much you're going to see

507
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 2: game plans from week to week customize to the opponent.

508
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 1: You know, some defensive coordinators, we do what we do.

509
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 2: We're gonna do what we do and the opponent will

510
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 2: adjust to us. How much did Bowen really change what

511
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 2: the Titans did week to week depending on what the

512
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 2: opponent did in customizing those game plans each week?

513
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 4: Well, I think philosophically you want to customize the game plan.

514
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: I agree, But.

515
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 4: Then you know, what is the varying degree of your town?

516
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 4: You know, you look at the great Belichick defenses and

517
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 4: customizing your game plans. Well, if you've got Harrison and

518
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 4: Bruski and Rabel and Seymour, you know you got customizable

519
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 4: guys who can do different things.

520
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: Ty Law and Daro Reeves help with those sorts of things.

521
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, So you know, are the Titans didn't have that?

522
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Speaker 3: Are the Giants going to have that?

523
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 4: You know, if you've got one or two guys that

524
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 4: can be really versatile and you can change things up

525
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 4: for them to make things a lot more difficult for

526
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Speaker 4: the offense. I think certainly they'll try to do that

527
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,479
Speaker 4: the that Shane Shane will try to do that. But

528
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 4: I'm not looking at the Giants and imagining that they're

529
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,959
Speaker 4: going to have, you know, a wide array of defensive

530
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 4: players in twenty twenty four that allow for super customizable

531
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Speaker 4: game plans, and so I do think you know, there's

532
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 4: a push and pull there, and if you do get

533
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 4: good at one thing, you know, you're probably gonna rely

534
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 4: on that one thing as much as you can. Then

535
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 4: you have to look at the other team, well, how

536
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 4: good are they at against that one thing? And how

537
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 4: much do we have to adjust accordingly? And then you

538
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 4: get in the cat and mouse or chicken in the

539
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 4: egg and all that.

540
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 2: You can make this a yes or no answer, because

541
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Speaker 2: I think you pretty much already answered it. Really good

542
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 2: at developing defensive lineman, not so good at developing players

543
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 2: in the back half and the secondary correct from a

544
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 2: development standpoint defensively.

545
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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I think that's fair. I also think he

546
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 4: had probably better Terrell Williams, a very good defensive line

547
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 4: coach that worked very well with these guys. He just

548
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 4: went to Detroit now, and I think he had a

549
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 4: knack for it. Kerry Combs, who was their original secondary

550
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 4: coach corner corner coach anyway, had more of a knack

551
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 4: for it. Since then, they haven't lucked into into a

552
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 4: corner that's taken off that way, so I think there's

553
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 4: some some elements of luck to it as well.

554
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: Giants have brought in two assistants from Tennessee as well.

555
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 2: Give us your takes on Tim Kelly and Zach Korr,

556
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 2: who Tim Kelly coming separately on offense, you already mentioned

557
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: him as OC last year, and then Zach Kerr, who

558
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: was the outside of one of the defensive assistants with

559
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 2: you guys in the linebackers coach.

560
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: I believe right, I.

561
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Speaker 4: Really couldn't tell you anything about Zach Korr because the

562
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 4: assistant coaches, the position coaches talk right, but people behind

563
00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 4: the assistant coaches.

564
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Speaker 1: Don't talk same yere. I totally get it.

565
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 4: I've seen him, you know, on the field working, but

566
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 4: I've never spoken to him, Kelly. Sorry, who was the

567
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 4: other one, Kelly, Tim Kelly. You know, I think showed

568
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 4: some promise as the offensive coordinator this year, some cleverness,

569
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 4: some you know, they lost their opener bad, you know,

570
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 4: in an ugly, ugly showing on a day that Tannehill

571
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 4: was just really off in New Orleans, and he dialed

572
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 4: up two plays in light of that that would have

573
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 4: been absolutely perfect. And you know, Tannehill overthrew one of

574
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 4: them and somebody dropped the other one, and they were

575
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 4: two touchdowns, and the Titans lost like sixteen fifteen, you know,

576
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 4: and everybody came out of it questioning the offense, and

577
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 4: I said, well, you know, if they executed the two

578
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 4: plays that he dialed up in light of them having

579
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 4: nothing and being entirely flat, they would have won the

580
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 4: game by conceivably by two touch So I think he

581
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 4: was really limited.

582
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Speaker 3: By what they had.

583
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Speaker 4: Though, you know, he was better than Todd Downing, which

584
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 4: isn't saying much. I don't know that he would have been.

585
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 4: Arthur Smith, likable guy, said some things at the podium

586
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 4: that made you scratch your head. I think I'll do

587
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 4: a you know, I think it could be a good

588
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 4: tight ends coach for sure. I have a quick, quick,

589
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 4: funny story about that I got. I got totally totally

590
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 4: duped a shameful, shameful moment when they signed DeAndre Hopkins,

591
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Speaker 4: and uh, I got what I was certain was a

592
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 4: lock of a phone number for DeAndre Hopkins, and so

593
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 4: I had a text exchange with who I thought was

594
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Speaker 4: DeAndre Hopkins. But he he said he was busy with

595
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 4: family stuff and couldn't talk on the phone. So I

596
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 4: should have done nothing with it. But he gave me

597
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 4: this innocuous quote about Tim Kellen. You know, so he

598
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 4: was getting reunited with Tim Kelly, who he worked with

599
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 4: in Houston, and but he said, I call him pretty

600
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 4: boy Kelly. That's my nickname for Tim Kelly. And so

601
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 4: I tweeted this innocuous quote from DeAndre Hopkins in which he.

602
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 3: Said that he called Tim Kelly pretty boy Kelly.

603
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 4: I'm taking my kid, my thirteen year old son, to

604
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 4: a baseball tournament in.

605
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Speaker 3: Lexington, Kentucky.

606
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 4: And I get a DM from DeAndre Hopkins with a

607
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 4: copy of the text, and he says, what's this.

608
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 3: We didn't talk. I Oh my god.

609
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 4: So I like pull over to the side of the

610
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 4: road and I DM him the number and I'm like,

611
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 4: is this not your number? And he said, hasn't been

612
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 4: for several years.

613
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 3: Oh no oh.

614
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 4: In the meantime, I had texted Kelly and told him

615
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 4: Dedre Hopkins says, he calls you pretty boy, Kelly, and

616
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 4: He's like, I don't know what that's about, but it's

617
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 4: pretty funny or whatever. So then I go through this

618
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 4: whole thing where I'm dming with DeAndre Hopkins and I'm

619
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 4: telling him what happened, and he's being cool about it,

620
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 4: asking me just to take it down and he'll talk

621
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 4: to me. And I'm at my kids tournament trying like

622
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 4: hell to get him to talk to me and whatever.

623
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 3: Ultimately, he puts me in touch with his people.

624
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 4: His people tell me, yeah, he'll talk to you at

625
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 4: the press conference on Wednesday. And so I've got to

626
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 4: write a post saying I got duped by uh DeAndre

627
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 4: Hopkins pretender, which made me look like an idiot. But mate,

628
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 4: but the thing is, I really hit it off with

629
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Speaker 4: the DeAndre Hopkins. I had a great, great year with

630
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Speaker 4: DeAndre Hopkins, and he I think perspected you know that

631
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 4: as a starting point and everything. So I just wrote

632
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 4: Tim Kelly a card that I sent to the Giants.

633
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 4: Uh and you know adjusted to that, not not on

634
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,959
Speaker 4: the envelope, but in the card. I said, Tim slash

635
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 4: pretty bored.

636
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 3: You know.

637
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: Thanks for Oh that's great. I love it. Paul, I

638
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: know we're a little over. Can I ask you one

639
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: more question? You're good? Sure? Okay.

640
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: Ryan Cadden, he's been here now for a couple of years,

641
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 2: is kind of an assistant to the GM type of role.

642
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: He'd a lot of time there down in Tennessee, got

643
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: a lot of GM interviews. In fact, the interview for

644
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 2: the GM spot here for the Giants when they hired

645
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 2: Joe Shane. Your thoughts on kind of how what his

646
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 2: football philosophy is and how he might be advising some

647
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: of the Giants in some of the big decisions they

648
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 2: make over the next couple of years.

649
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know about his philosophy. I would think

650
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 4: that he's part of the reason that these guys are

651
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 4: getting hired up there. He certainly they wouldn't be getting

652
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 4: hired up there. I don't think if he wasn't wasn't

653
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 4: vouching for for Shane Bowen and and Tim Kelly and

654
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Speaker 4: Zach koorr.

655
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Speaker 3: I think he's a good guy, had a good.

656
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 4: Reputation for Rabel, liked him a great deal, which is

657
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 4: interesting to me in that the word it is that

658
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 4: Rabel he was Rabel's preferred candidate for the GM job here.

659
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 4: Now Monte Austin Ford disappeared in a hurry because he

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Speaker 4: got the Arizona GM job. But and Monte Austin Ford,

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Speaker 4: I guess was more of a John Robinson guy from

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Speaker 4: their time together.

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Speaker 3: With the Patriots. But there were there were.

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Speaker 4: Two options here, uh in house that were connected to

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Speaker 4: the previous regime, and the Titans obviously went a different

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Speaker 4: direction with Ryan Carthon. But you hear good things about

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Speaker 4: Ryan Cowden. He was a background guy here who uh

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Speaker 4: you know, didn't didn't want to uh to talk much,

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Speaker 4: but was perfectly friendly guy and nice guy, and uh

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Speaker 4: him the most.

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Speaker 3: But I can't offer you much more than that.

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Speaker 1: Giant fans level winner.

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Speaker 2: It's why they love Citizen's Day, the twenty twenty two

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Speaker 2: official bank of the Giants and sponsor of the Huddle

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Speaker 2: Citizens is made ready for fans of Big Blue learn

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Speaker 2: more citizens Bank dot com. Paul, tell the folks where

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Speaker 2: they can find all your great work and anything else

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Paul Kouharsky dot com. It's k U h A

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Speaker 4: r s k Y and my Twitter handle? Uh what

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Speaker 4: is my Twitter handle?

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Speaker 1: Paulkharski NFL. Is what you told me at the start

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Speaker 1: of the show.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I blanked out Paul Koharski NFL. Just uh had

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Speaker 4: that that tells you how good I am. Chase at

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Speaker 4: Coaching News has a way of frying frying the brain.

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Speaker 4: Hopefully Brian Callahan will have his staff together pretty soon

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Speaker 4: and get to meet some of them at at the

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Speaker 3: So I'm from New Jersey South River if.

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Speaker 4: That means anything to anybody. It went to Rutgers Prep.

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Speaker 4: So uh, and my mom lives in Jackson, my brother

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Speaker 4: up there, go to Avon by the Sea every chance

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Speaker 4: I get by.

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Speaker 2: The way, And I should ask you, giant than would

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Speaker 2: be interested before we say goodbye, what are the Titans doing.

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Speaker 1: In the draft?

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Speaker 2: Because they're picking right by the Giants and Giant fans.

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Speaker 2: I think you're curious, is it offensive tackle or bust?

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Speaker 1: Here?

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Speaker 4: For you guys, it is from my perspective, but I

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Speaker 4: could see a scenario whether they take a wide receiver

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Speaker 4: or even bowers By.

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Speaker 2: So it sounds like the Titans and the Giants have

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Speaker 2: very similar draft wish lists based on what we know

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Speaker 2: down here. Paul, awesome stuff. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: the time, and we'll talk to you again soon. Good

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Speaker 2: luck this offseason and gets some rest.

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Speaker 3: Hey care. Thanks.

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Speaker 1: That's the Giants of the podcast. We'll see you next time. Everybody,