Speaker 1: With Jenny Garth and Tori Spelling. Hey you guys, welcome
Speaker 1: to another amazing episode of nine O two on O
Speaker 1: mg UM with me and my fabulous co host Jenny Garth. Sissony,
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, you're supposed to go j to the T
Speaker 1: to the s. That's us. I'm Jay m hmm, I'm
Speaker 1: two and hello everybody, welcome. How's it all going? How's
Speaker 1: it happen? Can I just say that you're my spirit animal? Cis.
Speaker 1: I can't believe that you in your last trimemester almost there,
Speaker 1: less than a month left, flew to New York. You know.
Speaker 1: It was one of those opportunities that I couldn't pass up.
Speaker 1: A duh. You were great. You looked hot. For those
Speaker 1: of us who don't know what we're talking about, we
Speaker 1: CYCNY co hosted Live with Kelly and Ryan. She was
Speaker 1: Kelly for Kelly and Ryan on it for a day,
Speaker 1: surrounded by Kelly's Yes, I kind of like the sound
Speaker 1: of Cysney and Ryan. That works for me. Yeah, flows off.
Speaker 1: The tongue had to be so fun. I'm sure he
Speaker 1: was happy to have you there with them. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of effortless doing a show with them,
Speaker 1: just because we do the radio show every single day,
Speaker 1: so it's not much of a difference. It's like sometimes
Speaker 1: I just don't know where to look when you're doing
Speaker 1: TV because it's like you really see the lens and
Speaker 1: those big old cameras. It's just like this big box
Speaker 1: and so like where's my mic? Where's yeah? And like that.
Speaker 1: You don't have the audience like I've I've guessed I've
Speaker 1: hosted before in the past when a live audience, and
Speaker 1: so this was a little bit different because nobody was
Speaker 1: there except for like the crew set have the energy
Speaker 1: a little bit from the audience, which makes it difference.
Speaker 1: You looked beautiful and you did a great job. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Nothing that exciting going on around here.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you, neither of us flew to New
Speaker 1: York and hosted a national talk show. So I'm glad
Speaker 1: you're world went. We've just been here watching the next
Speaker 1: episode just every day since the last time we saw you.
Speaker 1: We watched it over and over so we could really
Speaker 1: be this is a heavy one, yeah, it was, and
Speaker 1: not easy to find this one. This was episode fourteen
Speaker 1: of season two, and uh, it's not on Hulu, and
Speaker 1: so again I watched the wrong episode. I watched the
Speaker 1: one that I thought was the next episode, but it wasn't.
Speaker 1: You're like a good girl, scout. You're totally prepared now
Speaker 1: for I'm totally I'm over prepared over I hope I
Speaker 1: don't get them confused. But this week's episode was season fourteen,
Speaker 1: Like I said, the next fifty years. It aired on
Speaker 1: November seven. Synopsis. On Scott's sixteenth birthday, his mother gives
Speaker 1: Donna and David the responsibility of rounding up people for
Speaker 1: his birthday party to save it from being a social disaster.
Speaker 1: Social dissa, master is what it became. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: Maybe not a social disaster, but a tragic disaster. This
Speaker 1: is the episode where Scott Scanlon plays with the gun
Speaker 1: and shoots himself in the tummy. Do we know why
Speaker 1: it's not available to stream? Is it because of the
Speaker 1: context of the episode or because this is undeniably one
Speaker 1: of the bigger, most probably rememberable episodes, you know, big,
Speaker 1: super heavy topic gun safety and and all of that,
Speaker 1: And um, I think people are mad that they can't
Speaker 1: find it. I was mad because I had to look
Speaker 1: and look until I looked right under my computer and
Speaker 1: saw the entire DVD set collection that Crystal sent me.
Speaker 1: So I was like, pew, Crystal, you saved the day. Literally,
Speaker 1: it was great. We got the DVD Dave and I
Speaker 1: hour the house for the DVD player, which, uh, he
Speaker 1: had to work. Neither of us are very techy, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: and he had to figure out how to hook up
Speaker 1: the DVD player, which took a minute. And then there
Speaker 1: was no remote, so we couldn't like fast forward to
Speaker 1: the next episode or the next episode. Now there's no
Speaker 1: like clicker to. Things got a little heated in here.
Speaker 1: There's so many episodes that the viewers can't watch on Hulu.
Speaker 1: So I don't think I don't. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's because of the topic for this one,
Speaker 1: but there's many, Yeah, but this one was like usually
Speaker 1: you can still do Amazon or you can do TV
Speaker 1: and the real tough one. This episode was titled The
Speaker 1: Next one hundred Years, and I guess sort of the
Speaker 1: bookends of the episode at the beginning was the sort
Speaker 1: of ceremony where they have everybody in the quad and
Speaker 1: they're unveiling the time capsule that was buried a hundred
Speaker 1: years ago. You just aged us. It's the next fifty
Speaker 1: years it is. Yeah, I wrote down hundred must be.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm a hundred today, so it makes sense.
Speaker 1: Thanks for catching that though, jeez, fifty more years. Have
Speaker 1: you guys ever done a time capsule like in real life?
Speaker 1: My kids have done it, though, but I've never. I
Speaker 1: don't think I've ever done it. Yeah, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't think I have either. We should was buried a
Speaker 1: tin can once at our house, like ten years ago,
Speaker 1: but I think we dug it up like a week
Speaker 1: later because they were too excited. I don't know, become magical,
Speaker 1: what's going to happen? But I remember doing that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they so they. I'm not sure really what they got
Speaker 1: from the from the fifty years ago time capsule. But
Speaker 1: at the end of this episode, everybody sort of contributes
Speaker 1: and it becomes like a tribute to Scott in a way,
Speaker 1: but not completely. Do you We filmed it Towrents High School. Um,
Speaker 1: do you think if we went back and went to
Speaker 1: that area the time capsule is still there? We should
Speaker 1: do that. We should like wonder all dressed in black
Speaker 1: and break in at night. Yeah, with our shovels to
Speaker 1: get up it's right there in the middle of the
Speaker 1: quad for everybody to find. Was it really buried? Would
Speaker 1: it be cool if it was? Though, hurry, run you guys.
Speaker 1: I would hate it people running to try to find it. Um.
Speaker 1: But then they reburied a new Times capsule. I wonder
Speaker 1: if it's in the same spot. But it was a
Speaker 1: pretty big hole they dug for that. I thought they
Speaker 1: were digging a grave for somebody. Oh that's bad. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that was the whole point of
Speaker 1: the Time capsule, like putting it in the ground. It
Speaker 1: was just all symbolic I think around the theme of
Speaker 1: the episode. Oh, you're right. I never thought of it
Speaker 1: that way. So deep, it's such You know who was
Speaker 1: really great in this episode though, Jennie O'Hara. She's what
Speaker 1: a great character actress, and she a h Scott's Camlon's mom,
Speaker 1: and she's just a really incredible actress. She's still working
Speaker 1: in She's in everything. This woman. She's super talented. I
Speaker 1: gotta say I loathed filming this episode just because I
Speaker 1: knew that that meant, like Doug and I were really
Speaker 1: good friends, and I knew that meant I would no
Speaker 1: longer be working with him, and it was really sad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess this was was his last acting This was
Speaker 1: Douglas Doug's last acting job before he kind of retired
Speaker 1: and went into the service. That's what he said, right,
Speaker 1: So sad. They could have had him in like flashback episodes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they could have they It was. It was interesting though,
Speaker 1: the way Mamma Scamlin I can't remember her what her
Speaker 1: real name is uh on the show, but she came
Speaker 1: to the school and you know, enlisted David to help
Speaker 1: her with the party and basically was like, you have
Speaker 1: to do this. You have to invite all of his friends.
Speaker 1: And David was like, okay, I'll do it. Um. But
Speaker 1: it was really sweet the way Donna sort of came
Speaker 1: to his rescue and tried to get She was like,
Speaker 1: I'll do what I can and tried to get the
Speaker 1: whole gang to show up. It was really sweet. So
Speaker 1: you really see the like the little seedlings of their
Speaker 1: beautiful relationship that's forming. Yeah, you definitely don't. Poor Scott
Speaker 1: he must have had some other friends he did. They
Speaker 1: were sitting on the couch at his party playing there
Speaker 1: like little handheld atari games or whatever. That was. I
Speaker 1: wonder why it was so important to her that he
Speaker 1: have all of these West Beverly kids. Like why David
Speaker 1: had to get everyone there, well because this was his
Speaker 1: last episode, maybe because they had to when he shot
Speaker 1: himself unfortunately up stairs, right man. But the party looked fun.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm telling you I would have go into
Speaker 1: this party limbo, Hello, sign me up? Green party has
Speaker 1: party did not look fun. I remember when we filmed
Speaker 1: it behind the scenes, I was just like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is so lame. But it was good. It worked. It
Speaker 1: worked for the scene. But the scene of all of
Speaker 1: us dancing, I can remember filming that. I can remember
Speaker 1: thinking when when she hadn't she always whenever we do
Speaker 1: dancing scene, she'll always usually start like a line dance
Speaker 1: sort of pattern thing like whatever it's called, like the
Speaker 1: hustle or like the slide or something, or the freak.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're called, but yeah, I remember
Speaker 1: she's doing that. Every time she would do it, I
Speaker 1: would be so annoyed because I don't. I can't, I
Speaker 1: couldn't do it, Like I just I'm unable to do
Speaker 1: whatever it was that she was trying to teach me.
Speaker 1: So this was one of those moments I remember, But
Speaker 1: then she does. She goes and she like dirty, like
Speaker 1: freaky dances up on Scott and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: she always gets that move in right that like on
Speaker 1: anybody goes up mind and gives him a little uh.
Speaker 1: On the other end, well, I had to help, but
Speaker 1: I had to make the other side of the sandwich.
Speaker 1: I guess the scot Scandling sandwich. Well that could be
Speaker 1: a thing or scot scan And then Brandon and Emily
Speaker 1: in the kid's bedroom on the bed. Hello, who does that?
Speaker 1: Who goes to a birthday party of somebody they don't
Speaker 1: even know and then goes into like a little child's
Speaker 1: bedroom and starts making out on their bed. That's how
Speaker 1: I lost my virginity horny teenagers. Not how you lost
Speaker 1: your virginity at a party. I swear to god, Oh
Speaker 1: my goodness, what party? Who's what's whose kids? Bed? Was
Speaker 1: it like a day bed? A big bed? What I need? Everything?
Speaker 1: It was? I just remember it was my first boyfriend, Ryan, Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know. We were at his He had like
Speaker 1: a blended family, so it was like I iced like
Speaker 1: his step family like mother or something, had like younger
Speaker 1: kids and it was their birthday party. And he invited
Speaker 1: me and we went into one of the bedrooms in Yeah,
Speaker 1: mm hmm, so wild. And then yeah, I still remember
Speaker 1: that dress because Shannon wore that dress in a photo
Speaker 1: we did, one of nine dress she did and I
Speaker 1: told her, I'm like, I don't think you want to
Speaker 1: wear this. She pulled it on my closet like I
Speaker 1: was saving it, and she was like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I want to take this, and she took it more.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't she want to wear it for fear she
Speaker 1: might lose her virginity. No, there might have been a
Speaker 1: little stain on the babel. Oh my god, you pushed
Speaker 1: it there. You were going to go there? Okay, anyway,
Speaker 1: it was a little blood, but it was it was
Speaker 1: you asked, we're not talking about this on this episode.
Speaker 1: It was a Betsy Johnson dress though, floral and like
Speaker 1: like tank, and she wore it, and are I think
Speaker 1: it's the picture where we're all looking up that one
Speaker 1: photo we're all laying down looking up that we reenacted,
Speaker 1: bh Wanner. Okay, you asked, Okay, fine, moving on. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of there's a lot of take in with
Speaker 1: all that info. I don't know, just watching back the
Speaker 1: scene of when Scott actually goes into the office and
Speaker 1: gets finds the key and opens the drawer. I noticed
Speaker 1: obviously that there was no key on the drawer. It
Speaker 1: was a fake, like a faker, like, yeah, I just
Speaker 1: put the cars and wiggle it around. We'll think it's locked,
Speaker 1: but just and then just pull it open. So yeah,
Speaker 1: he pulls out the gun and then he's playing with it,
Speaker 1: and David walks in and it happens, and I've started.
Speaker 1: I was like, I had goose bumps just watching that
Speaker 1: scene and watching the slow motion of like Brian or
Speaker 1: David's reaction, and Brian is such a really great job
Speaker 1: acting that scene. I still have goose bumps just talking
Speaker 1: about it. Just thinking about it makes me feel weird. Same.
Speaker 1: That's like one of those visuals like I never got
Speaker 1: out of my head watching it as a viewer, being
Speaker 1: a part of it, just like that slow moment, just
Speaker 1: horrifying interesting. Watching the whole journey that he goes on
Speaker 1: to the from the funeral and then going back to
Speaker 1: school and having to sort of figure out and deal
Speaker 1: with all the grief that he's experiencing, and everybody's trying
Speaker 1: to help him, and nobody knows what to say. It
Speaker 1: was a very um I thought it was a well
Speaker 1: done episode. Yeah, his breakdown that he has in front
Speaker 1: of the whole school, I thought it was well performed actor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's changed to go through something like that, you know,
Speaker 1: it's that grief process is hard to do at any age,
Speaker 1: so he seemed to be kind of doing it on
Speaker 1: his own. I see in our notes though, that Fox
Speaker 1: executives tried to convince Chuck Rosen not to do the storyline,
Speaker 1: but he convinced them it was a necessity. And if
Speaker 1: it wasn't for the storyline when Scott Scalen went away
Speaker 1: for the summer and he goes to Oklahoma, that was
Speaker 1: going to be it. They would have just written his
Speaker 1: character off. But instead they I love it that they
Speaker 1: decided to deal with like a major thing. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: so glad they fought for that storyline. Yeah, definitely, This
Speaker 1: sadly happens a lot, and it's such a good reminder
Speaker 1: not to have guns, but if you have to make
Speaker 1: sure they're locked somewhere, Yeah, good advice. But it ends
Speaker 1: on everybody putting everything in the in the thing and
Speaker 1: in the time capsule. And it was really poignant. When
Speaker 1: David pulled out the hat that Scott always wore and
Speaker 1: he put that in there. It was really moving. And
Speaker 1: then did you notice everyone was had their little sparklers?
Speaker 1: What did that remind you of? It reminded me when
Speaker 1: we filmed p H and I know to a now
Speaker 1: and it was fourth of July, but it's an American holiday,
Speaker 1: so we were like, let's take a moment and we
Speaker 1: did sparklers outside during filming, which we filmed like three
Speaker 1: in the morning. Yeah. I loved that. It just gave me,
Speaker 1: like all the good feelings again. Yeah, the reference that
Speaker 1: Andrea makes to the floppy disk, but it's going to
Speaker 1: be an artifact in fifteen years. Donna bring fabric. I
Speaker 1: don't know why you bring a bolt. Wasn't it like
Speaker 1: a giant roll of fabric? Because I'm a fashion designer,
Speaker 1: so I was like, what is it that fabric? So
Speaker 1: it was like a combo of like, this is what
Speaker 1: this year represents and some things thrown in for Scott,
Speaker 1: I guess definitely. Whatever I think of this episode, I
Speaker 1: also sorry to bring this up, but I think of
Speaker 1: Luke and it's just a hard reminder of one of
Speaker 1: us not there in the time capsule and being able
Speaker 1: to yeah, go back in time. Yeah, definitely brings up
Speaker 1: all kinds of things for I mean, for everybody that
Speaker 1: probably watches it. You're not alone. But I did see
Speaker 1: the boom um twice in this episode. I just want
Speaker 1: to let you know, boom count, I didn't see it,
Speaker 1: and let's see it either. Oh my gosh, you guys
Speaker 1: today on this episode we not she wasn't in this episode,
Speaker 1: but we've been dying to catch up with her. We
Speaker 1: have the beautiful and Gillespie with us today. Of course,
Speaker 1: she played Jackie Taylor, Kelly's mom. Yep An appeared in
Speaker 1: like fifty five episodes of the run. She was in
Speaker 1: season one and she was in season ten, So there
Speaker 1: she is. Hello, Hi, and Gillespie. Hi, Jenny Garthen Tor.
Speaker 1: How are you good. I'm doing very well, really well.
Speaker 1: It is just incredible to see you. When when I
Speaker 1: found out you were going to be with us today,
Speaker 1: I was so excited. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've done a
Speaker 1: few of these things, which I'm you know anyway, it's
Speaker 1: all very strange for me, but um to do it
Speaker 1: with you two, of course, is the reason to do it.
Speaker 1: So you know you are so busy. So yes, wacky,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, my life is very complicated on my grandma
Speaker 1: now and here I have yes, yes, I'm a grandmother.
Speaker 1: So my son Spencer, who you probably remember and foling around. Um,
Speaker 1: he has been married for four years and they have
Speaker 1: a little girl, hilarious little girl who's one, and we
Speaker 1: babysit her one day a week. So that's great. Um,
Speaker 1: but it's keeping me. It means just the rest of
Speaker 1: my life is just insane. That is so crazy to
Speaker 1: hear not only a Spencer an adult, but he has
Speaker 1: a baby and you're a grandma. My god, I know,
Speaker 1: I know, it's it's a well, you know, it's a
Speaker 1: little challenging, um to sort of respond to the name grammy.
Speaker 1: But um, it's also just the greatest gift in the world.
Speaker 1: It is just, oh my god, if I drunk the
Speaker 1: kool aid, like you know, you people show you their
Speaker 1: grandkids and I'm like, oh, that's so nice. Oh no,
Speaker 1: I've been saying, what a lucky child to have you
Speaker 1: as a grandma. Well, thank you. You've been busy with
Speaker 1: other things, miss Anne. You have done some very admirable
Speaker 1: things in your I guess retirement from acting retirement from acting,
Speaker 1: although you know we did the last time we saw
Speaker 1: each other, I'd already become a priest and then came
Speaker 1: back to do the nine or two win oh second version.
Speaker 1: And that was fascinating because do you remember when we
Speaker 1: shot the whole thing of um of my death, right
Speaker 1: of of of Jackie's death, like she got cancer and
Speaker 1: then she died, and by that you didn't have no
Speaker 1: recollection of it. Good, I don't want to remember it,
Speaker 1: and she's disapproving of it. We choose not to remember
Speaker 1: that incarnation you were still alive. Well, thank you. But
Speaker 1: what was so fascinating was in my new professional life
Speaker 1: as a priest, I had sat with parishioners who were
Speaker 1: dying of cancer, and so it was this amazing sort
Speaker 1: of full circle thing of here I am acting this
Speaker 1: and yet I sort of invited their spirits to be
Speaker 1: with me, and anyway, it was super emotional and anyway,
Speaker 1: it was really kind of an amazing thing to be
Speaker 1: able to do both somehow, I'm sure. Well, let's start
Speaker 1: from from the beginning, from the real the first Beverly
Speaker 1: Hills Manito, I know, oh my god, how did you
Speaker 1: get the role of Jackie? Taylor. That's a great story.
Speaker 1: Actually it's going in my memoir because, um, they had
Speaker 1: a really hard time apparently casting the role. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that. Although I know that I didn't get on
Speaker 1: the first set of auditions. I was in the second
Speaker 1: set of auditions. And when I arrived to the room,
Speaker 1: you know, you know what those audition rooms are like.
Speaker 1: On one wall were all of the models, because Jackie
Speaker 1: was supposed to have been a model right in her
Speaker 1: earlier life. And on the other wall were all the
Speaker 1: heavyweight actresses. Um that I knew a lot of because
Speaker 1: I went up on roles with them. Heavyweight, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean physically Excuse me, I mean it had like
Speaker 1: the handle, really emotional complicated stuff. Sorry. Yes, although of
Speaker 1: course they were generally rounder, they had more curves than
Speaker 1: the models. Let's just be on um. And there was
Speaker 1: no place for me to sit. Literally, I walked up
Speaker 1: to the receptives and I was like, there's no chair,
Speaker 1: and she said, oh, I'll get you one, and so
Speaker 1: she pulled out a chair and she said it next
Speaker 1: to her desk. So I always saw I was right
Speaker 1: in the middle of the two things, right and so
Speaker 1: and then anyway, I went in and got it, which
Speaker 1: was well, as you know, it was a huge, huge
Speaker 1: gift and a delight too. I mean, that first episode
Speaker 1: was so much fun. There was so much scenery did too,
Speaker 1: and oh man, it was great. It was great. You
Speaker 1: came out fire and the Jackie character just came out strong.
Speaker 1: And then it was I mean, and I that was it.
Speaker 1: Like I thought it was a one time job really,
Speaker 1: because that's all it was. It was. It was a
Speaker 1: guest star. I mean, I thought there might be some future.
Speaker 1: But anyway, it wasn't until the next season when I
Speaker 1: came back and we did we shot stuff at the
Speaker 1: Beach Club and and they put me in all these
Speaker 1: outrageous bathing suits and stuff like that. And it's when
Speaker 1: when they started to put this relationship together with mel
Speaker 1: and to you know, humiliate poor Kelly because it was
Speaker 1: you know, Brian, you forget what his character's name is,
Speaker 1: David's um, you know, the nerd. Anyway, the Nerd. After
Speaker 1: that episode, I think it was pretty soon after that episode,
Speaker 1: I got pregnant in real life and went to Paul
Speaker 1: Wagner and I was like, um, Paul, so I'm pregnant,
Speaker 1: and this is a really great thing. We you know,
Speaker 1: second child, and and I assumed that was the end
Speaker 1: and that was the why how could that happen? And
Speaker 1: the next thing I knew they had written the pregnancy
Speaker 1: into the storyline. Spoiler alert, it was. It was. It
Speaker 1: was amazing and again it gave us so many wonderful
Speaker 1: scenes to play and interesting stuff and anyway, wow, So
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for your real pregnancy, because that ultimately
Speaker 1: you guys had a baby, it was Aaron Silver, and
Speaker 1: Aaron Silver was kind of the lynchpin that you say,
Speaker 1: it's done off nine two one o series. So my
Speaker 1: daughter Wesley is basically responsible for the nine o two
Speaker 1: and thank you Westley great and then they had the
Speaker 1: nerve to kill you off after all those blessings. They
Speaker 1: were very kind and they did say to me, we
Speaker 1: if you lived on this coast, we would write much
Speaker 1: more stuff in. But because you're on that coast. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was kind of funny because they called me up
Speaker 1: and they're like, we've written you into this episode. So
Speaker 1: this is now years later for the second iteration where
Speaker 1: I'm already a priest and they're like can you can
Speaker 1: you come? Can you shoot this? And I'm like, actually, no,
Speaker 1: I've got to do a wedding, I've got to do this,
Speaker 1: I've got to do that. And so they actually rearrange
Speaker 1: stuff so that I could shoot several episodes at one time.
Speaker 1: And I was like, God, they never did that for
Speaker 1: me when I was actually an actress. It's only because
Speaker 1: now that I'm doing this o't thing. People want what
Speaker 1: they can have. Well just say, you know, Jen and
Speaker 1: I had planned a BH nine and I had gone
Speaker 1: on We wanted you to be on that and we
Speaker 1: were just going to pretend like that second iteration of
Speaker 1: N didn't happen and Jackie Taylor was alive and thriving.
Speaker 1: Well could, I mean, you know other ways to explain
Speaker 1: that you You were always so much fun on set.
Speaker 1: I love being your daughter, your work daughter, and um,
Speaker 1: we just had always had such a great time. I
Speaker 1: think you were the first person to introduced me to yoga,
Speaker 1: and you were really was nothing to my yoga class.
Speaker 1: I love that you're my yoga teacher too. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we had, Jenny. I'm I've always been a I've always
Speaker 1: been a sneaker, you know, I'm always like looking for
Speaker 1: ways to grow, and um, so you kind of went
Speaker 1: on that journey a little bit with me, and and
Speaker 1: certainly by the end of the first series, I was already,
Speaker 1: you know, doing all this stuff to prepare to go
Speaker 1: to seminary, so you knew about that too. And I
Speaker 1: remember everybody was sort of like, I remember your your
Speaker 1: makeup person Karen was like, can I curse in front
Speaker 1: of you? And I'm like, episcopalian. You're episcopalian. Pretty, So
Speaker 1: it's a little more lenient, right, Oh, yes it is? Well,
Speaker 1: who knows, but I choose to think it is. It's
Speaker 1: a big temp. To put it that way. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be part of it if it wasn't a big time No,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think. So you have such a you're such
Speaker 1: a you have such a big mind, and you're so
Speaker 1: open to everyone and everything, and it's a good fit.
Speaker 1: It is a good fit. What do you remember about
Speaker 1: your like first time meeting me or like first time
Speaker 1: on set being well, do you remember that? I do
Speaker 1: remember it because it was so fascinating. Um, So I
Speaker 1: think Perfect Mom was like the sixth episode or was
Speaker 1: it wasn't the very beginning of the first series the
Speaker 1: first season, It was several in but the show had
Speaker 1: just started to take off like crazy. And so what
Speaker 1: I feel like I got to watch was the effect
Speaker 1: of this I didn't even know how to describe it.
Speaker 1: You lived it, um, this um inordinate amount of fame
Speaker 1: that started to affect you all, and and and how
Speaker 1: you all handled it, found ways to deal with it um.
Speaker 1: And at the beginning, there was, of course, there was
Speaker 1: sort of an innocence to everybody. No nobody quite knew
Speaker 1: what we were doing. And um, anyway, you guys were
Speaker 1: all figuring each other out. That was all that was
Speaker 1: very fascinating. And I what I remember, Jenny, is how
Speaker 1: much fun it was to act with you like we
Speaker 1: I feel like we really we had some good stuff
Speaker 1: to do together. And I knew right then that we
Speaker 1: were we would be great partners, which was fun. And
Speaker 1: the other sort of hilarious thing was that, um, I
Speaker 1: got to know some of the other parents on the show,
Speaker 1: James ack House and Carol Potter, who I had not
Speaker 1: met before, but that that those ended up being really
Speaker 1: fun relationships. Also because you know, it was an interesting
Speaker 1: um place to occupy on the show as a arrant,
Speaker 1: because the stars were the young people and the parents
Speaker 1: were the goofballs, right the kids actually knew better than
Speaker 1: the parents, and it was like wait, wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: there's something wrong at this picture. But anyway, um, that
Speaker 1: was that was fascinating, just the whole thing. And also
Speaker 1: I want to say, over the time watching the cast coalesce,
Speaker 1: the crew coalesce, I mean, when we got into seasons
Speaker 1: I don't even know, like four or five, it was
Speaker 1: like a well oiled machine and that was really kind
Speaker 1: of wonderful to go to work in that environment, it seemed.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how it was from your
Speaker 1: guy's perspective. I mean, there were ups and downs, no question,
Speaker 1: but um, by the middle of the run, it just
Speaker 1: seemed like it was a pretty happy place to work.
Speaker 1: So I hope that was your experience. I don't know.
Speaker 1: We recently had Matthew Lawrence on the on the podcast
Speaker 1: and it was so much fun for Tory and I
Speaker 1: catch up with him and just see see him again.
Speaker 1: He looks exactly the same, exactly the same. I know,
Speaker 1: he I did one another thing with him team. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, he's telling the same stories.
Speaker 1: And you and Carol are still friends, right, We well,
Speaker 1: so we were buddies outside. We haven't recently but yes,
Speaker 1: and um, I mean, one of the things that was
Speaker 1: sort of, I think, very powerful for Matthew was that
Speaker 1: when we got he and I got married on the show.
Speaker 1: As he likes to tell the story, he'd never been
Speaker 1: married before, so it was very emotional for him. And
Speaker 1: then when my daughter Wesley was born, he he sort
Speaker 1: of felt like he was had something to do with
Speaker 1: it even and he you know, got her very sweet
Speaker 1: gifts and things like that. But really interesting was that
Speaker 1: my husband, Jeff and Matthew got to be buddies and
Speaker 1: they would golf together and and anyway, and Matthew's got
Speaker 1: a twin that Jeff also worked with anyway, so we
Speaker 1: we we did have some friendship for a while. But
Speaker 1: of course I haven't lived in California for a long time,
Speaker 1: and neither as he he's in I don't where he
Speaker 1: is in Kentucky or something. I didn't know this, but
Speaker 1: you were the mom to some other actress out there,
Speaker 1: which I thought was really rude, very rude. How could
Speaker 1: you do that to her for another hit show? Though,
Speaker 1: like you have a great track record. Well, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna say I sort of cornered the market on Bitchy
Speaker 1: Rich moms. So I it was just one of those
Speaker 1: things literally where I um, Amy who was putting together
Speaker 1: the show of Gilmore Girls, just called me in and
Speaker 1: she was she was like would you do this and
Speaker 1: like yeah, with my hands tied behind my back. Um.
Speaker 1: And it was literally one day. I think that was
Speaker 1: it and one scene. But because I ripped poor Paris
Speaker 1: a new one on the show, the character was so
Speaker 1: mean to her. It was another one of those sort
Speaker 1: of iconic episodes, and because it is also a super
Speaker 1: popular show, a lot of people remembered it so um.
Speaker 1: So I don't have hardly any memories of that except
Speaker 1: that it was kind of fun to hang out with
Speaker 1: Alexis and um Laura Laura was that was Lauren um
Speaker 1: in the nakeup trail. That's kind of all I remember it.
Speaker 1: You're on three iconic shows, basically Nine and Gilmore Girls.
Speaker 1: I mean, amongst everything else you've done, your tell you
Speaker 1: you'll this will crack you have. So of course, the
Speaker 1: way it is, as you know, is that people still
Speaker 1: recognize me or they or they often here my voice
Speaker 1: and they're like, how do I know you? And you know, anyway,
Speaker 1: if I have no recollection of them, it's usually because
Speaker 1: I was in their living room on their telephone screen.
Speaker 1: But um other the other show that I had a
Speaker 1: recurring role on for a while was UM Well, I
Speaker 1: did a couple of the Star Trek things, um Next Geration,
Speaker 1: and um I was an alien. I was Ajar on
Speaker 1: Deep Space nine. And those people are crazy. You think
Speaker 1: the nine O two one oh fans are wild different.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. These people are still tragging me down
Speaker 1: and asking me to sign things and anyway. But you know, anyway,
Speaker 1: so it's hilarious. So so now in my in my
Speaker 1: current life, people either remember me from nine oh tooe No,
Speaker 1: or they remember me from Deep Space nine, which was
Speaker 1: have you ever been doing a wedding or service? And
Speaker 1: people are like, oh my god, that's Jackie Taylor. Oh.
Speaker 1: Often often yes, yes, and and and and sometimes they
Speaker 1: get it, uh, I don't know exactly where they know
Speaker 1: me from. And other times there's sleep like this thing.
Speaker 1: You can see it in their eyes like wait wait
Speaker 1: you know, And often this I think is very amusing.
Speaker 1: I sometimes take pity on them and I say, well,
Speaker 1: I was on a show that you might have seen,
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, I don't, I don't watch television
Speaker 1: and then I'll be like, well I was on nine
Speaker 1: of them. Oh my god, that was my favorite show.
Speaker 1: You know. Then it all comes out and you know,
Speaker 1: you've watched you've watched it in your own lives, but
Speaker 1: the people for whom it's a big deal, it's a
Speaker 1: huge deal. And then there's other people are like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that I never saw it. I never watched it. So
Speaker 1: it's just this funny cultural phenomenon. And of course, because
Speaker 1: it's been airing continually, my daughter's friends would be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I saw your mom on TV today, you know. And anyway,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's kind of a lovely legacy now that
Speaker 1: it's um, you know, yes, do do you miss being
Speaker 1: an actress? I mean, you were so good at it,
Speaker 1: you're so gifted actress that I do let's miss it? Well, well,
Speaker 1: so I don't. Here's what I don't miss. I don't
Speaker 1: miss the sort of um uh, well, I don't miss
Speaker 1: the disempowerment that's in the entertainment industry. I don't miss
Speaker 1: being part of something that I think and it wasn't
Speaker 1: just nine o two and I was pretty much everything
Speaker 1: I did. Where where um unhealthy images of beauty and
Speaker 1: weight aren't out there. Um. And that was a lot
Speaker 1: of what was crystallizing in me as I was deciding,
Speaker 1: not deciding, but like trying to figure out who else
Speaker 1: am I supposed to be besides an actress. Um here's
Speaker 1: the thing. People ask me this a lot. Do you
Speaker 1: miss acting? So in my life as a priest, I
Speaker 1: get to use all the same skills all the time,
Speaker 1: only now I'm like the director, the writer, the lighting
Speaker 1: DESI mean, I can I can shape what I do.
Speaker 1: I'm in front of people all the time. During COVID
Speaker 1: we to reinvent Church online, I was like, my god,
Speaker 1: my earlier career came out like I knew how to
Speaker 1: do the makeup, I knew how to do the lighting.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, no no, you have to get that.
Speaker 1: And everybody was like this is really helpful. Um. So
Speaker 1: I honestly, I don't. I don't miss acting. I really
Speaker 1: feel so fulfilled in what I'm doing and I feel
Speaker 1: like it is to a higher purpose, So so I
Speaker 1: don't really miss it now. Um. Periodically I have befriended
Speaker 1: you know, directors or whatever, and and and sort of, um,
Speaker 1: they would say, oh I've gotten you, like theater directors
Speaker 1: here in d C. And they're like, oh, I've got
Speaker 1: a perfect part for you, and I will say my
Speaker 1: my eyes kind of like I think about, like, but
Speaker 1: how would I do it? How would I work it out?
Speaker 1: Because that would interfere with Easter, you know, so it
Speaker 1: wouldn't it wouldn't work right now. Um, I love your
Speaker 1: priorities though. I love the way you you made a
Speaker 1: conscious effort and decision about your life and you wanted
Speaker 1: to go and what you wanted to do. Well, honestly,
Speaker 1: I feel like it shows me. You know, I'm the
Speaker 1: daughter of an episcimal police, right, So I had to
Speaker 1: push it way, way, way, way way away. And then, um,
Speaker 1: as I was sort of going through this process of like, oh,
Speaker 1: the parts are getting smaller and smaller in the acting world,
Speaker 1: and that seems so weird as I'm becoming more powerful
Speaker 1: and creative in my own personal life and what am
Speaker 1: I supposed to be doing? And they kept getting these
Speaker 1: little hints that it was to become a priest, and
Speaker 1: I pushed it away for a long time because I
Speaker 1: was like, no, no, no, no, that's not me. There's
Speaker 1: no way that's happening. That's my dad and I really
Speaker 1: credit yoga actually with softening my edges against institutional church
Speaker 1: and helping me develop a very tangible spirituality. And then
Speaker 1: I created community and it was like, oh, well, there's
Speaker 1: like I was going back to the church. And so anyway,
Speaker 1: that was sort of how it happened. So so it's
Speaker 1: it's not like I made a super conscious decision, but
Speaker 1: it was led by clear clarity around what was important
Speaker 1: to me. You're right, it wasn't around priorities. It's just
Speaker 1: so admirable. I mean, like a lot of us feel
Speaker 1: those feelings and have those glimpses of clarity and think
Speaker 1: maybe maybe that's what I should be doing. If it
Speaker 1: keeps coming up for me, and then it's really really
Speaker 1: hard to pull a trigger and you know do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I get that. Um, I totally get that. And it
Speaker 1: was very frightening actually for me. I mean, I look
Speaker 1: at it, it's coming out like I literally had this
Speaker 1: thing beside me that was who I was supposed to
Speaker 1: be authentically, and I was afraid, afraid, afraid to do it.
Speaker 1: In fact, it was seeing a marvelous play at the
Speaker 1: what was the play at Westward Playhouse? I think it
Speaker 1: was a beautiful play. It was called Looking for Normal
Speaker 1: and it was about a trans man that comes out
Speaker 1: as a woman to his wife and all the things
Speaker 1: that after that, I was like, well, hell, I guess
Speaker 1: I should if you could do that? All right, So
Speaker 1: anyway it But the other thing is that I will
Speaker 1: say that it feels so well, it feels so preordained,
Speaker 1: like like this is what was waiting for me. And
Speaker 1: then it doesn't mean that acting or teaching yoga was wrong.
Speaker 1: All of it was a step. All of it was
Speaker 1: part of the journey and leads me to where I
Speaker 1: am now. And I had this ridiculous idea when I
Speaker 1: first became a prey, say oh, I have to forget
Speaker 1: being an actress or I have to forget being a
Speaker 1: yoga teacher. Until then I started working again as an
Speaker 1: actress after I had become a priest, and I teach
Speaker 1: yoga to my congregation once a month. So it's my
Speaker 1: God uses it all like it's it's all grist for
Speaker 1: redemption and teaching. And you know, hope, actually I love that. Well,
Speaker 1: you you did have some pretty conic wardrobe on our show.
Speaker 1: We are always talking about the way you look on
Speaker 1: the show. Well, and do you know that, Like all
Speaker 1: my gay friends were telling me that there's there's a
Speaker 1: perfect mom version on RuPaul, like there's a whole drag
Speaker 1: race thing about some of about me being drunk or
Speaker 1: something you're falling off, and oh there has to be
Speaker 1: I want to see that. That would be amazing, exactly,
Speaker 1: it would be hilarious. Well that's rocking this swede bikini,
Speaker 1: I will say, is I'm still pretty proud of that.
Speaker 1: I mean, girl, you should be proud of that. That was,
Speaker 1: like I remember, because you were pretty stressed out about it,
Speaker 1: I remember, yeah, And but also just it was very fun.
Speaker 1: We had a variety of different designers, as you all know,
Speaker 1: and each one sort of put their stamp on Jackie's
Speaker 1: wacky clothing and anyway, you know, the thing I remember
Speaker 1: we used to talk about this a lot is um
Speaker 1: because I think you and I are are are closer
Speaker 1: in age than would actually allow me to be your mother.
Speaker 1: Not impossible, but probably not happened. And but people they
Speaker 1: put me in these you know, Chanelle's suits and the
Speaker 1: bitch hair and the thing, and they're like when they
Speaker 1: meet me without makeup and every people like, how do
Speaker 1: you look so much? Younger than on and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: that that's why they call it acting, and um, but
Speaker 1: a lot of it was the look. I think it
Speaker 1: really was the look. And uh, did you get to
Speaker 1: keep any ab outfits? You know what? I don't remember this.
Speaker 1: I was there the day we wrapped, and there were
Speaker 1: racks of clothing, and honestly, Jenny, you were so adorable
Speaker 1: you walked through them with me. I'm sure you don't
Speaker 1: remember this, and you started pulling out some of your
Speaker 1: clothes and you were like, you should have this. And
Speaker 1: I for years wore an absolutely gorgeous black suit that
Speaker 1: you had worn in some episode, and I'm I swear
Speaker 1: I wore it. It was like the thing to put
Speaker 1: on if I had to go for my interviews to
Speaker 1: become a priest or this or that. It was sort
Speaker 1: of hilarious. So that was fun. I shared a closet
Speaker 1: in real life, I had. I had, yes, a few things,
Speaker 1: a few pieces that were really great. I don't remember
Speaker 1: us getting to keep it from racks the day we wrapped. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. All I know is that there were
Speaker 1: some out there and I happened to be there with
Speaker 1: Jenny and she was pulling stuff out for me, but
Speaker 1: I took it and stuffed in your card and said
Speaker 1: go go run. Oh my gosh. If I had to
Speaker 1: do over, I would have asked to keep some iconic
Speaker 1: pieces like you know something. Yeah. Absolutely, well you you
Speaker 1: always had great style, you were a great actress. You're
Speaker 1: just a great human being. We're so happy to see
Speaker 1: you happy, and thank you. You got to me a grandma.
Speaker 1: I thank you. Well. So what's so funny is you
Speaker 1: guys were around when with the birth of my daughter, Wesley,
Speaker 1: and what I remember is bringing her into the makeup
Speaker 1: trailer and everybody wanting to hold her, and you guys
Speaker 1: are all so young, and you're like, I want one,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, please take your time. They're
Speaker 1: they're a challenge there as we all know, they're wonderful
Speaker 1: and they're crazy, especially by Wesley would not she she
Speaker 1: would not take a bottle. So I had to bring
Speaker 1: her with me everywhere, which meant I had to bring
Speaker 1: my four year old, which meant I had to bring
Speaker 1: my husband to watch the four enemy. It was like
Speaker 1: for eight months, she went straight from the mob to
Speaker 1: the sippy cup. You know, there was like no in
Speaker 1: between with her. But she's actually drinks very well now,
Speaker 1: thank good, now that she's twenty nine. So where does
Speaker 1: the time go? Where does it go? Anne? No? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: Do I get to ask you guys questions? Oh? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Well how are you are you doing? Okay, that's a
Speaker 1: loaded question, and but you could answer a little bit. Well,
Speaker 1: we're both I'll see for myself. I'm doing really well.
Speaker 1: I'm married again and it's going good, so good. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: that's blessings. That's great. And between the two of us,
Speaker 1: we have eight kiddos, beautiful babes. That's wonderful. Ah, that's
Speaker 1: so great. Yeah, I remember you were there when I
Speaker 1: had a baby on the show. Obviously I do how
Speaker 1: challenging that was on many levels. Yeah yeah, but you,
Speaker 1: but you, I'm sure you've raised them beautifully because you
Speaker 1: both actually have emerged with your values intact, and your
Speaker 1: integrity is so clear that they pick up on that.
Speaker 1: Your kids are picking up on that. So definitely starts
Speaker 1: from the mama. It does, it does, And also how
Speaker 1: you deal with adversity because life is hard, and they
Speaker 1: watch you figure stuff out and find balance again, because
Speaker 1: we all got not off center, and that is such
Speaker 1: a gift that you give them, you know. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: when you think that that they don't know what you're
Speaker 1: going through or they don't, they're not. They don't get it.
Speaker 1: As they grow up and then they become older, you
Speaker 1: see how that is sort of like ingrained in their fabric,
Speaker 1: you know, they see absolutely. When I when I, um,
Speaker 1: you know, do counseling with couples before they get married.
Speaker 1: I always say, it doesn't matter what school they go to,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what clothes they were what The best
Speaker 1: gift you can give them is a healthy relationship with
Speaker 1: your partner and barring that, figure out who you want
Speaker 1: to be around, change around, transition around, you know, hard stuff,
Speaker 1: and that's what they get, and that's you know, and
Speaker 1: are you available for a one on one sometimes? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: I do pastoral counseling time, do skype calls with their
Speaker 1: weekly I like this idea skype zoom I mean zoom,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, yeah, oh excellent. So so you guys are
Speaker 1: doing this podcast and for a while there it seemed
Speaker 1: to me that there was something else that was happening
Speaker 1: that you oh, there was going to be like a
Speaker 1: nine o two and oh um reality sort of show
Speaker 1: that then didn't happen or did it happen? I don't
Speaker 1: even know. I'm sorry that I don't really follow these things.
Speaker 1: I think you're referring to China to Yeah, that happened.
Speaker 1: We did Um a limited series for Fox with the
Speaker 1: whole original with the cast minus Luke right minus. It
Speaker 1: was just after it looks passing and so but it
Speaker 1: was really great to be together. It was scripted and
Speaker 1: we played versions of ourselves, so what's some sort of interesting.
Speaker 1: But some people loved it. Some people were bummed that
Speaker 1: it wasn't a straight reboot, but everyone, you know what,
Speaker 1: You're never going to please everybody, so I hope it
Speaker 1: was fun for you guys. That was great. It was.
Speaker 1: It was cathartic good. It was. Yeah, it was really
Speaker 1: good to come back. And we always talked about we
Speaker 1: had this time period where there was like a little
Speaker 1: bit of regression when we first got on set. We
Speaker 1: went back to like our sixteen seventeen year old selves, right,
Speaker 1: and it just happened and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: then we're like, no, but we're the people we've evolved
Speaker 1: into now, when these are our forms and how we
Speaker 1: handle things. It was a really good experience personally, I
Speaker 1: think for for all of us in a healing way. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I imagined it was very powerful to be together around
Speaker 1: Luke's death because you know, death is so well, it
Speaker 1: rattles us because it's so final, it's so inevitable. It's
Speaker 1: you know, you're grieving the loss of this person, but
Speaker 1: it's also pulling up whatever other loss, and you know
Speaker 1: we can't help but think about our own mortality. So
Speaker 1: to do it together, I think that must have been
Speaker 1: beautiful and kind of wild timing. It was predetermined. It
Speaker 1: was definitely planned. Yeah, right, right right, since we have
Speaker 1: a we have a breaking game that we always play
Speaker 1: with our guests, and that's where I come in, and
Speaker 1: it's basically like we're running out of time, so we
Speaker 1: need to wrap it up. You're very inspiring, empowering conversation
Speaker 1: with this, and it's so beautiful, and then we're like, hey,
Speaker 1: can we ask you these fun, little rapid fire questions whatever.
Speaker 1: I could listen to you talk for hours. Do you
Speaker 1: give Did you give them this much advice when you
Speaker 1: were on set? I hope not. That's so annoying. You
Speaker 1: are always such a positive influence in my personal life,
Speaker 1: and I think seeing you be so grounded and and
Speaker 1: stable and comfortable in your own skin and comfortable with
Speaker 1: who you were really like sort of led me in
Speaker 1: that direction and helped me to find that balance, you know,
Speaker 1: or or just at least strive for it. And I
Speaker 1: always appreciate it and just I always I'm so happy
Speaker 1: to say that you played my mom for so long. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a it's an honor and a lovely thing. And
Speaker 1: the fact that we got to do it over am
Speaker 1: I right that the second iteration. By the time it
Speaker 1: was that like twenty years later, it was like a
Speaker 1: long time later. I don't know whatever it was. It
Speaker 1: was a long time we knew each other as mother,
Speaker 1: and so it's a whole generation of stuff. Anyway, I
Speaker 1: I am glad that I was a positive influence. Donson. Well,
Speaker 1: you always worked closer with Jen. I got to obviously
Speaker 1: be around you, and you're always so to me, and
Speaker 1: I always love seeing your smile. It made my heart happy.
Speaker 1: And I remember when you told me about yoga, and
Speaker 1: I remember being, you know, I was young, and I
Speaker 1: was like, yoga, I don't know about yoga, and You're like,
Speaker 1: you should come to a class, and I'm bummed that
Speaker 1: I never did that. You can still do it all
Speaker 1: the time. I tell myself, I've got to get to yoga,
Speaker 1: I think, and meditating. I think it would be good
Speaker 1: for me because I have a lot going on with
Speaker 1: five kids and I need that me time. Um, and
Speaker 1: I always remember us talking and just you yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I'm glad that that's in there. Um, it's never too late.
Speaker 1: You're right, You're right, it's never too late, and it
Speaker 1: will serve you no matter what you're doing. Like it's so,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's totally systilized my life on many levels.
Speaker 1: But like I still do it. I still do my
Speaker 1: own practice an hour and a half three times a
Speaker 1: week or else I'm a crazy person. Like you know,
Speaker 1: it's like it's like losting your teeth, Like I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't not do it now because and the same
Speaker 1: thing with meditation, like that's just given. Of course, my
Speaker 1: husband likes to say, you know, if this is you
Speaker 1: with you know, forty years of yoga meditation, I'd hate
Speaker 1: to see you with it. Of course, he has a
Speaker 1: different he has a different perspective. But but I can't
Speaker 1: say enough about it, honestly, especially as we age because
Speaker 1: our bodies are changing there giving way to gravity, they're
Speaker 1: they're giving up and um, yoga helps you be where
Speaker 1: you are and then you can go from there. But
Speaker 1: if we're trying to if we're trying to be someplace
Speaker 1: we're not, it's just it doesn't help. So anyway, I
Speaker 1: feel scared. I feel like everyone knows yoga, and I
Speaker 1: feel like I'd go into a class and they'd be like,
Speaker 1: how do you not know that pose? How do you
Speaker 1: not you know what it's? Well, if you take my class,
Speaker 1: it would That's enough. It's about at all. It's about
Speaker 1: listening to your body and using the tools as like
Speaker 1: the post is, as tools like this that you can
Speaker 1: um learn, listen and learn like your body is trying
Speaker 1: to communicate with you all the time, and it's when
Speaker 1: we don't listen that we get sick or we have
Speaker 1: an injury or something. Anyway, so I if you were
Speaker 1: to find the right teacher, you would not be at
Speaker 1: all concerned about what you look like or what the
Speaker 1: post is. They would help you experience it from the inside,
Speaker 1: which is really it's about. I know it's coming from
Speaker 1: I went to one year class of my life and
Speaker 1: it came from experience that the teacher kept calling me
Speaker 1: out and I was so mortified. Honestly, now I went back.
Speaker 1: It makes me mad that that was your experience, because
Speaker 1: of course it's like somebody you know singing and they
Speaker 1: saying you can't sing, and then that person walks around
Speaker 1: the rest of their life thinking that they can't sing,
Speaker 1: and it's not accurate. It's not everybody can sing. You
Speaker 1: just have to try YouTube. You know that. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: try it now. Thank you for today. Good. Alright, So
Speaker 1: we have a few rapid questions that we always ask
Speaker 1: our guests. UM favorite character on nine o two and
Speaker 1: no character? Oh? Absolutely, Kelly Taylor, Thanks mom? What about
Speaker 1: favorite cast member? This is a little tougher, it's okay, well,
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's boring and predictable, but it would
Speaker 1: have to be Jenny Garth because we worked so closely together. Okay,
Speaker 1: And do you have a favorite nineties UM fashion items?
Speaker 1: Specifically from Nino too? And I know you mentioned the
Speaker 1: suede baden suit, the suede bikini practical It's no, no,
Speaker 1: you can't. You only wear it lounge. You cannot possibly
Speaker 1: swim in it. But you would get so like sweat
Speaker 1: gross anyway, Um let's see. Well, there were some very
Speaker 1: hilarious thanks. There was something oddest thing I think I
Speaker 1: wore it at the fashion show that looks sort of
Speaker 1: like a harlequin jacket, like it had like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: purple and green diamonds on it or something and something
Speaker 1: weird thing. And anyway, they're there. It's really all of
Speaker 1: Jackie's wardrobe is just absurd and nineties amazing. Huge shoulder paths, yeah,
Speaker 1: big earrings, shoulder path colored bright pink anyway. And final
Speaker 1: one out of a character on anatoineo who would you kiss?
Speaker 1: Who would you marry? And who would you kick? To
Speaker 1: the curve? If you don't remember their character's names, so
Speaker 1: we can help you. Yeah, not the Cassiac characters names.
Speaker 1: Wait wait, so the first one was who would kiss?
Speaker 1: Who would you kiss? Well, it's a little uh sick,
Speaker 1: I suppose, but um I was. I always thought Luke
Speaker 1: Perry was pretty pricking adorable and I could be his mother.
Speaker 1: So um oh, can we ask you a question real quick?
Speaker 1: And sorry we're jumping in the middle of the game.
Speaker 1: So how is Luke with you on set? Because Carol
Speaker 1: Potter remembers that he used to whisper sweet nothings in
Speaker 1: her ear, and she was very it would make her
Speaker 1: heart flutter. Yeah, he was lovely. Actually, I always felt
Speaker 1: Luke was very genuine. Um. We had some really interesting conversations,
Speaker 1: especially later in the show, about his life and what
Speaker 1: it was like to live that and Um, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I always really admired him. He was very a very
Speaker 1: honest and kind of earnest person and pretty dreamy to
Speaker 1: look at. Um. So I he didn't I don't do
Speaker 1: not remember him whispering sweet nothings. I remember him treating
Speaker 1: with Actually, all of the guys treated with me, with
Speaker 1: me with enormous respect. I felt like I was very
Speaker 1: I was treated very nicely on that show. And after
Speaker 1: the baby, after I had Wesley, and literally they put
Speaker 1: a crib in my dressing room and it was I mean,
Speaker 1: it was like it was so such a lovely way
Speaker 1: to have to work and have a baby. It was
Speaker 1: it was really great. Um. Okay, So Mary, if if
Speaker 1: I could kiss, who would I marry? Oh Lord Brandon,
Speaker 1: David Steve, Wait, you're a serv you're assuming they're all
Speaker 1: they're all men. I couldn't marry Kelly, who else Carol, No, okay, Cindy, Cindy,
Speaker 1: Oh that character, yikers. Um, look at the reruns, she's
Speaker 1: never out of the kitchen. You're just like, really right,
Speaker 1: she's gardening? Yeah, right right, that's safe and well. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I won't go on and on. I think I should
Speaker 1: probably say mel only because I did marry and we
Speaker 1: had a lot of fun around that. I was super
Speaker 1: pregnant when we did it, and um, what I remember
Speaker 1: about is that it was clearly a Jewish wedding, except
Speaker 1: we never called it a Jewish wedding because we weren't
Speaker 1: allowed to like have it actually be Jewish, and so
Speaker 1: we called it amongst ourselves a Melish wedding. So we
Speaker 1: have a milliged wedding, so that bizarre they couldn't call
Speaker 1: it a Jewish wedding. I mean, very real talks all
Speaker 1: the time. How actually she had to take her Jewish start,
Speaker 1: but Donna, they specifically put across on me because somehow
Speaker 1: that would play better in the heartland. I don't know. Anyway,
Speaker 1: it's hard to believe that that was a thing. But anyway,
Speaker 1: what's was the last question? The last one was a
Speaker 1: tough one. That's the one that's the kick to the curb.
Speaker 1: To the curb a character that I would kick to
Speaker 1: the curb. Yes, well not because of the actress and
Speaker 1: not because but because her character was so limiting. I
Speaker 1: think we have to say Cindy's characters should be kicked
Speaker 1: occur because I think it didn't do a lot for
Speaker 1: I mean, she was lovely in terms of her being
Speaker 1: there for the kids, but it was totally unrealistic and
Speaker 1: it was just limiting in terms for women. I think
Speaker 1: to see that. So anyway, Yeah, An, you're the best.
Speaker 1: And will you please give Jeff and Wesley and Spencer
Speaker 1: and everybody else in your family big hug. Gonna cry,
Speaker 1: They'll they'll be like, oh my god, Jenny remembers awesome, like, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I will everybody. Uh, greetings and um, I love you
Speaker 1: both very much. That would be lovely to see you
Speaker 1: after all these years. So care of yourselves because you're
Speaker 1: really worth caring for. I love you so much, love
Speaker 1: you bye bye. Oh I'm tearing up after aw you
Speaker 1: guys crying. Yeah, I mean yeah, it's just so good
Speaker 1: to see people and that you have like a true
Speaker 1: connection with and then you know you're not I wasn't
Speaker 1: really close friends with her. I mean I did. I
Speaker 1: went to her yoga class. I did whatever she told
Speaker 1: me to do, because I really did look up to
Speaker 1: her as a human being, and um I learned a
Speaker 1: lot from her. And to just see her again after
Speaker 1: all these years, it's emotional brings you back. Don't you
Speaker 1: wish you could hug her in person right now? I do.
Speaker 1: She looks exactly the same, I know. I love it
Speaker 1: like seeing her with us now. You really don't think
Speaker 1: she could have played a mother to any anyone our age, Like,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. I always love that that she was like
Speaker 1: so foxy and she got m Well, let's take a break,
Speaker 1: get you some tissue, and we'll come back with fashion
Speaker 1: favorite lines. We'll cover it off. Okay, that was a
Speaker 1: great interview. I love seeing mommy again. Should we talk
Speaker 1: about fashion and fashion from this episode? This is what
Speaker 1: for me, wasn't the biggest like fashion studded episode. I
Speaker 1: really honestly didn't have any standout moments anyway. It was
Speaker 1: just like Gene Gene and more Gene Denimo body suits,
Speaker 1: bodysuits in the jeans. Yeah, I guess I was more
Speaker 1: focused on the storyline and the emotional content than I
Speaker 1: was about what anyone was wearing, So which is good.
Speaker 1: That's a good thing. Yeah, a good thing. I know.
Speaker 1: We talked about it a few times. But Donna's hairstyle,
Speaker 1: how did you get the side? Like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: describe what was the side like thing? And then you're
Speaker 1: then it was all one. I can't do it right now,
Speaker 1: so I literally would hold the sides out. I would
Speaker 1: hold the sides out, sporing it until it like was dried,
Speaker 1: and then let it go, same with this side and
Speaker 1: then right here, like it's so iconic. Nobody else did though.
Speaker 1: It was just Donna. Isn't that weird? Like I don't
Speaker 1: even know, Like they would give me a beautiful like
Speaker 1: blowout because my hair is actually wavy, so a big blowout,
Speaker 1: and then I would go they always knew. They would
Speaker 1: just like hand me the hair spray, like so you
Speaker 1: do it yourself the hair spray. Yeah, oh yeah, it
Speaker 1: was like crazy. I think I had to wash my
Speaker 1: hair every night because it was so sprayed so hard
Speaker 1: that you like I couldn't move it. Did any of
Speaker 1: you have a favorite line? I always remember, Um, no
Speaker 1: one gave a rat's ass about Scott until he died,
Speaker 1: but it always stuck out to me. It was like
Speaker 1: poignant and it was a great performance where always like
Speaker 1: rats ass, I don't know what's Yeah, where'd that come from?
Speaker 1: You don't give a rat's ass? Especially teens to teens
Speaker 1: say rats awesome sounds like an older term. I think
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try using that today. I don't give a
Speaker 1: rat's ass what we have for dinner, guys. One of
Speaker 1: my favorite lines was a pretty obvious one. It was
Speaker 1: when Um David was having his little blow up in
Speaker 1: the DJ booth, Um having a bottle breakdown, and he said, Uh,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what people say about them when they're gone.
Speaker 1: What matters is how you treat them while they're still here.
Speaker 1: What a really important statement, very true. That was a
Speaker 1: great line from that. Something I think people always remembered.
Speaker 1: Mine is also from David, and it was I promised
Speaker 1: his cousin I'd teach him how to freak. I almost
Speaker 1: picked that one too. It stood out to me just
Speaker 1: because I was like, what's freak? And then I realized, oh,
Speaker 1: that's like a was that a dance? Like like I'll
Speaker 1: handle that. It's just like a freak because when you're
Speaker 1: like free get freakings like um, I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: more with your hips. It's almost like motioning. I want
Speaker 1: you to do it, and when you stand up, stand
Speaker 1: up and do it for us. I don't have pants on.
Speaker 1: First of all, what oh I am nine months pregnant
Speaker 1: and pants whatsoever? You're just sitting there had sixty degrees
Speaker 1: and I'm like burning up. Still are you legit sitting
Speaker 1: there in a T shirt? In your underwear in l
Speaker 1: a Dodgers to shirt too. I would call them booty shorts.
Speaker 1: I'm crushing on you right now. I'm not gonna this
Speaker 1: has got a booty short look out the middle of
Speaker 1: summer and sonant I love that. Oh my god, it's
Speaker 1: so good. Okay, everybody get ready for the next episode.
Speaker 1: It's a doozy episode fifteen Euphoria. This is one of
Speaker 1: my all time favorite episodes to film. Ever so excited.
Speaker 1: Let's find out why next week. M