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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Sophia Bush here. Welcome to work in Progress,

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Speaker 1: where I talked to people who inspire me about how

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Speaker 1: they're still going today. I'm thrilled to share with you

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Speaker 1: had the pleasure of speaking with, Amber Gutierrez. Ambra is

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Speaker 1: a Filipina Italian model, humanitarian, and one of the first

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Speaker 1: Amber played an integral role in exposing the sexual abuse

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Speaker 1: alongside the New York Police Department. She's one of Weinstein's

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Speaker 1: many victims, but Ambra is the one who managed to

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Speaker 1: if you follow the development of the Weinstein story or

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Speaker 1: read the book Catch and Killed by Ronan Pharaoh, you'll

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Speaker 1: Ambra persisted. She has since become a vocal supporter of

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Speaker 1: others through her involvement with various incredible humanitarian organizations. She

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Speaker 1: has partnered with the Model Alliances Leadership Counsel, which aims

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Speaker 1: She works closely with Humanility, which provides shelter and assistance

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Speaker 1: to impoverished children worldwide, and she is involved with Safe Horizon,

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Speaker 1: Ambra continues to work tirelessly to in rage structural changes

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Speaker 1: in the fashion industry that combat sexual harassment. In our conversation,

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Speaker 1: which occurred when she was just a teenager, how she

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Speaker 1: and their bodies and so so much more. First of all,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me today. So excited

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Speaker 1: grateful to have you here. Thank you so much. Like, um,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I feel that this story has to be

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Speaker 1: because like, I feel that I went through all of

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Speaker 1: this for a reason, and it's for like helping others

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Speaker 1: through situation as I've been. So yeah, I feel that

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Speaker 1: That's so cool. How how are you doing right now?

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Speaker 1: I know that before we started recording, we were talking about,

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Speaker 1: you know, you having recently moved to Miami. Are are

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Speaker 1: I mean I moved here because my family it's all

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I I just learned to be healthy again

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Speaker 1: And I was I was surfing. I was like doing

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Speaker 1: I want to get into all of this and how

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Speaker 1: go backwards before we go forwards. I really like to ask,

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Speaker 1: Because to your point, so many people know you because

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Speaker 1: your face in a campaign, or you know, the work

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Speaker 1: you start us kind of there? Yeah? No, of course,

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Speaker 1: I grew up in Italy. I was born in this city,

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Speaker 1: of those like like an harem of women you know,

430
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: to please him. I was like the type of situation.

431
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,959
Speaker 1: And then like he was telling all of these jokes,

432
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: and at the end there was a joke that he

433
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: ended saying like oh, girls, are you ready for the

434
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: bunga bunga? And and I was like, okay, what's going

435
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: on now? And this girl was like super excited saying

436
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: like oh yes, let's go. Let's go. And they left

437
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: somewhere and so it was me Silver Barsconni, Amilia Feda,

438
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 1: and Kiara alone in this you know, dining room, and

439
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: and you know, like there was Disamilia Fedded that was

440
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: trying to like you know, talk to Kiara and asking

441
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: her like, oh, Kiara, what's going on? And she wasn't

442
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: feeling good and she asked her like a t and yeah,

443
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: and then at the end he said something like oh

444
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: you can go laid down like somewhere I can help

445
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: you if you're not feeling well. And when I heard that,

446
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: I took Kiara under my arm, you know, like I'm like,

447
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: oh no, like there was there is like the president

448
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: how everybody was calling him Rosconi. You want to show

449
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: us the house, so we're going there. So I took

450
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: Kiara with me and didn't let her go anywhere. She

451
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: was always with me. And it showed us the house.

452
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: It's like huge house, okay. And it shows us like

453
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: this huge room where he was having like a collection

454
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: of little like statue of ceramic cows, like little cows

455
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: of ceramics with a lot of colors. Okay. So it

456
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: took us into the room and he said, oh, this

457
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: is the room where all the girls give me gifts

458
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: and does a lot of like this um beautiful drawing

459
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: for me and all these kind of things. Okay. So

460
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: he likes to get a lot of attention. I think

461
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: like it needs to be adored or something like that. Anyway,

462
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: he then said, get a box, get a box, and

463
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: unboxed the thing inside. So I took a box. Cara

464
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: took another box and I opened it and it was

465
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: a little statue of a cow as I told you, Like,

466
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: there was this huge table of like twenty full of

467
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:01,479
Speaker 1: little statue of cows. Okay, so it's this thing. And

468
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: he said, okay, now placed it where you want in

469
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: this table and I was like, okay, so I put

470
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: it there. She put it somewhere else, and it's like yeah, great, great, amazing, amazing,

471
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: let's go. Let's go. Now. I was like, okay, let's go.

472
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: So I followed him and Emilio and Kara was with me,

473
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: and we went to this downstairs a little like you

474
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: know that those wine cellar place where you know, like

475
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: you put wine in Italy that it's like under ground,

476
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: the type of and he made he made this place

477
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: like club. So there was like a pole, dancing pole,

478
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: and there was like this white so fuzz you know,

479
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: around The music was blasting. There was like lights and everything,

480
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: and I could see those girls were like dancing, and

481
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: I have been fun and like pleasing him, you know.

482
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: And then at one point the situation because it became

483
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: like crazy okay, because these girls were like dressing up

484
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: like police women and like nurses and like uh yeah,

485
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: this type of like costumes but naked, like you know,

486
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: all of those sex type of costumes. Yeah, there were

487
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: just stuff like that, so I could have seen things

488
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: of them, you know. And I'm like, okay, what's going on.

489
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting on this sofa with my friend and um,

490
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, like it's good that they are doing

491
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: stuff to them, you know what I mean, Like they're

492
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: and on, you know, self, like deciding to go and

493
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: dance for them or like sing for them, or this

494
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: time they're not asking me, so I'm fine. I'm sitting here. Yeah,

495
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: it's very uncomfortable, but at least no one has hands.

496
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: Did you a belt? And said put this on dent?

497
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: And there was this girl that kept coming to me

498
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: that I saw in some TV show and she's like,

499
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: oh my god, you're still beautiful. You should be not

500
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: be noticed, like you should like show yourself and get

501
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: noticed because you're gonna have a huge career if you do.

502
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, thank you, but I'm shy. I

503
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: don't dance, you know, like it was like okay, thank you,

504
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: and and so I was sitting there and then at

505
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: one point there was this woman that she's like brunette

506
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: like me, beautiful or whatever, and and then suddenly she

507
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: started to dance around the pole, and she had like

508
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: one of those shrub dress whatever, and at one point

509
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: she removed her dress and she was completely naked. Okay,

510
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: so I saw every single part of her bikey and

511
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: I was like watching the floor because I'm like, I'm comfortable,

512
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm not even watching, you know, people

513
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: close to me naked. It's kind of very weird for

514
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: me to see like a woman naked that I don't

515
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: know in front of me, like that I met one

516
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: hour before. So I'm there and and I'm saying that

517
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: she's going like close to Brusconi and let him touch

518
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: her and all these kind of things. And I'm like, okay,

519
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: this is like a lot. Try to write this, Danielle.

520
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: It's already like maybe midnight, and and it said like

521
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: I want to go. Where are you? You know, like

522
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: me and car I want to go. And then suddenly

523
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: there was this woman Um that was the girl that

524
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: before um Emilia Fe was saying that she liked opposite sex,

525
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: she like the same sex as are. So I was like,

526
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: she's coming to us, and she's like, girls, just get up,

527
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: get up, get up, come dance, come dance. And I

528
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: had like a little sweater or something, and she's like, oh,

529
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: I just remove this. I'm like no, you know, like

530
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: at that point, like just that that just sure because

531
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: I really don't like to be touched, like I have

532
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: some problems with that. And and she removed my sweater

533
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: type and I'm like, okay, I stand up and I'm like,

534
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I have to leave. So I took

535
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: Kara and I went to UM and then lied because

536
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: it was the only person was talking there too, and

537
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: I said, I'm so sorry, but tomorrow there is the

538
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: finale of Miss Italy. We have to leave at five

539
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: in the morning with the boss. I gotta go. I

540
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: have to go. And he said, oh, but you're going

541
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 1: now that it's the best moment of the party, and like, oh, yeah,

542
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I need to go. Like there is

543
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: this miss Italy contest I really cared of. And he

544
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: answered like, oh, but what do you think you're gonna

545
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: get with this contest if the people didn't matter? I

546
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: hear you know the people that decide are here or

547
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: something like that he said, because it was talking about

548
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: how he was in like the jaw the jury of

549
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: Miss Italy one time, so he knows everyone and it

550
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: was like a trap, like a treat to us, you know,

551
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: like if you leave, you're never gonna get anything done

552
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,479
Speaker 1: in your life. And I was like, oh, I don't care,

553
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: like I want to go. So I got up the

554
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: stairs left to discourt the yardwere Daniella left is and

555
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: I was with Kiara and like in my head, I'm like,

556
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 1: what am I gonna do? I'm here in the middle

557
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 1: of nowhere. I don't know what to call, what to do.

558
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: So We're trying to keep calling this Danielle is not

559
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: picking up and and then at one point this Emilia

560
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: Fetta comes out like rushing, and I was like I

561
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: was pissed at him because I was like what what

562
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: just what did you what? What do you say? I

563
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: was disgusting, you know. So it came up to us

564
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: and and then he said, oh wait wait girls, I'm

565
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna take you to Danielle. Don't worry, I

566
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: don't worry, just wait, and I said I didn't want

567
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: to listen to it to him, and he kept like

568
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: he started to say like you did great, you did great,

569
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what what did we do great? And

570
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: and say like, yo, you did great, because all the

571
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: other girls and just prostitutes, you know, like like he

572
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: doesn't even care of them, you know, like it doesn't care,

573
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: like you're gonna be the ones. You're gonna be the

574
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: ones zero girls because you're acting right, And I was

575
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: like what. I was so confused, But as he said,

576
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 1: I was very naive in the same time. So I

577
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: was listening and I listened to him. It started to

578
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 1: like wash our brain. And he took us to Daniellow

579
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: with his driver and they started talking about like how

580
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: we act like very like lady like girls that we

581
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: didn't like, you know, dance or like we didn't do

582
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: anything crazy there. So he's that the president saw it

583
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: and that it would act like treat us as the best,

584
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: you know, it would give us everything because we were

585
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 1: acting good. And I was like, oh, maybe it's true.

586
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. Let's see. I don't know, Like in

587
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: my mind I was thinking like whatever, like tomorrow, I'm

588
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: going to the contest of Miss Italy. Let's see how

589
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: God us. So the first week, okay that we were

590
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: in this Miss Italy contest, at a finale, me and

591
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: Chiara and also another girl that we saw at that

592
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: party was participating to this Miss Italy contest. She's called

593
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: Robert Asia and and she was there doing all of

594
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: these crazy things. So we were also surprised that we

595
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: saw her in there. And anyway, we were in this

596
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: um finale thing and she was there as well, and

597
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: she was very like acting like very sure about herself,

598
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: like whatever was going to happen, you know, And I

599
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: was like, well whatever, you know, like I don't care.

600
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: Maybe like Emilia Fader was saying right about acting like

601
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: good and so we would get something out of it.

602
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. So we're there just whenever, living the experience,

603
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 1: and they were choosing the sixty finalists for for this contest.

604
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: So we're the air and Emilia Fete was talking to

605
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 1: her saying like, I'm gonna send you my TV, George,

606
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: like my TV a troop to film you for like interviews,

607
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: so you're gonna get like some some good votes if ever.

608
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, thank you so much, you know,

609
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: like me and Kara were like, oh, thank you, like

610
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: we thought what he said it was truth. So like

611
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: one week goes by and the day of the choosing

612
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 1: the sixty finalists out of six hundred, um uh yeah,

613
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 1: six hundred like girls. Um, I thought they were choosing

614
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: Kiara for like four girls from my area. Okay, so

615
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: it was me another girl that were we were in

616
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: the finalists in the finals, and other two girls that

617
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: had to be you know chosen, and and then they

618
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: chose some girl that was then as Italian and I

619
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: thought they were choosing Kiara, but instead when we were

620
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: in like you know the um yeah, like it was

621
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: on TV, so it was in in I don't know

622
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: how you said it in English, but anyway, when they

623
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: were calling the girls, they called this Roberta Bonazia instead

624
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: of Kiara that they were saying like no, no, Kiara

625
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: is gonna go in the final, I don't worry. You

626
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: did great, and they got there that girl. So in

627
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: my head I understood that I was stupid, that like

628
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: the situation was just going downhill, and that everything is

629
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: said it was just to keep us to shut up.

630
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: So then I was there. I had the other two

631
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: weeks to go on for for the final, and Kara left,

632
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: so I was alone with this girl that was like

633
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: threatening us, like you don't say anything? What what you so, like,

634
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 1: don't you know, talk to anyone? And I was like,

635
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, like what's gonna gonna happen, you know,

636
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: like if talk? So I said nothing and then whatever,

637
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: the situation kept going with me going back to to

638
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: my city, to Turin, Turino and uh and going to

639
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: school because it was my last year of surveyor year.

640
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: So everything was amazing, Like everybody came up to me

641
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: saying obviously in TV was great, I voted for you.

642
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: I wanted you to win and this isn't that. And

643
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: I was so happy, like you know, I achieved something

644
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: in my life or something like that. I don't know,

645
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: like in my mind was like cool. So I became

646
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: like the president of the school um for that year

647
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: because like, yeah, they were choosing like four each year

648
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: and like so we were doing a lot of activities

649
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: for everybody. And then one point January comes because it

650
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: was in September, sorry, September twenty and in January suddenly

651
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: one time I get in my classroom, um, and my

652
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: best friend comes up to me like super quiet and

653
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: had me a newspaper and I was like what is

654
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: this and and and he said like just open it,

655
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: and I was like okay, So I opened that newspaper

656
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 1: and inside it that was my face, the face of

657
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: my friend Kiara and the other Roberta Bonzia saying like

658
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: three beauty queens involved into the Bunga bunga parties of

659
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: you know, the like the residence of the Prime Minister

660
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: of Italy still be Probosconi. And I was like, oh

661
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: my god, what's going on? So they were writing about

662
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: like every girl that was going there was an escort,

663
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: like I went there two hours of my life that

664
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: I didn't want to go, like I didn't know about it,

665
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: Like I didn't know I was going there, and I

666
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: left without doing in a thing. I never had a

667
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: courtier out of it. I never got anything out of

668
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: your you know like and I couldn't even say it.

669
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: You were just a kid in a competition exactly. I

670
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: was eighteen years old thinking like I have morals, I'm

671
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: not going to do things, and I left. Well. But

672
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: the the other thing that strikes me is so upsetting

673
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: is that a grown up that you trusted drove you

674
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 1: there and left you there. Yeah, and an agent an agent, right,

675
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: and yet it it comes down on you. You know,

676
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: you're you're somehow called guilty for being in a place

677
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: where you were quite literally duped to go for by

678
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: the way, and obviously predatory experience, Like it strikes me

679
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: as you know, throwing a lamb to the wolves. It's

680
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: a really dark thing that happened to you, and you

681
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: and your friend are very lucky that that you were.

682
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: In a way, I think you're lucky that you were

683
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: young enough and naive enough to just say exactly what

684
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 1: you were feeling, which was no. I remember at one

685
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:19,720
Speaker 1: having a really weird experience with my first like real boss,

686
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: and I was so young and so naive and so

687
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 1: sure of right and wrong, which I still am, but

688
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: there there were no kind of pressures to be um

689
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: palatable yet, you know, to to make it nice yet

690
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: And I hit my boss. I just hit him. I

691
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: was like, what are you doing? Don't do that. It

692
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: was such a it was such a gut reaction. And

693
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: I think that I think that it's the trouble that

694
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: women get in when they trust their gut, which is

695
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: what you're describing. You said no, I'm leaving, and you

696
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: got out of there, and and then it came back

697
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: around and in a way, you were punished. And I

698
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: think about that. I think that when we trust our

699
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: gut and we defend ourselves. We often find ourselves being

700
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: punished in ways that the next time we think, okay,

701
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: how can I protect myself but maybe make them less

702
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: angry or maybe you know, make this less awkward, And

703
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: it strikes me as infuriating. It makes me so angry

704
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: because it shouldn't be our job to make them less angry.

705
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: It should be their job to not be predatory acting

706
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: that way exactly. So, yeah, this experience was like my

707
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: first hit in in like the understanding that this world

708
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: was was moving into a very like the bad winds,

709
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like the bad people win.

710
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I just kept going with having

711
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: my reputation destroyed. And I was only eighteen years old,

712
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,719
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713
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Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question just because obviously you

742
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: know you you did this competition, and it just strikes

743
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: me as so intense that we put these so many

744
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: young girls in situations like this. But had you been

745
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: had you been modeling before? I mean, how did how

746
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: did that begin? No, so that was your first exposure. Yeah,

747
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: that was like the main big thing that happened. Like

748
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: I was on TV, like seven million people watched must

749
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: or something like that, even more, I don't know. So

750
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 1: like my experiences as model, it was very local. Like

751
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 1: I was doing like shows in my city, you know,

752
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: like those bridal things just to like make money. In

753
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: the meanwhile, I was um also also studying because my

754
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: my father left when I was about fourteen years old

755
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: as well, so I wanted to like help out the situation. Yeah,

756
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: because you really supported your mom and brother a lot

757
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: as a kid, right exactly. So I was doing that

758
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: while studying and UM and so like the big experience

759
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: that you know, like hit me hard. It was when

760
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: I was eighteen that I didn't even start modeling. Professionally,

761
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 1: but that was my dream because I wanted to really

762
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,439
Speaker 1: do it. And and so like it was the last

763
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: year of my surveying, like um studying and and then

764
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: selling in my reputation was destroyed. People thought I got

765
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: to the Penale miss Italy because I did something with

766
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,760
Speaker 1: the Prime Minister of Italy and and then like everybody

767
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: was talking weird about me and the you know like

768
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: hallways of the school and you know whatever, like so

769
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: crazy situation. I had paparazzi trying to find me at school,

770
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: me escaping like in some ways, like for like a

771
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: couple of months, it was a nightmare. So I don't know,

772
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: like I just kept going. I graduated, and like in

773
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: the meantime, also I found a lawyer that would represent me,

774
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: because you know how it is in Italy, like Maffia

775
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: and all these things, people are scared and and so

776
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: she wanted to represent me and Kiara about our you know,

777
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: legal bottle on taking out the truth, because all I

778
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: wanted was being Amber Batillana and not attached with all

779
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: those lies that the news was writing about me. So

780
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: I started that in April twenties eleven, I started a

781
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 1: legal bottle that is still open right now. So after

782
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: like ten years, and I kept going, kept going, kept going.

783
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: But I realized that this person owns the media. So

784
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: even in the moment that, you know, like I was true,

785
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: I was saying the truth. I was right and everything,

786
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: people were not talking about it because how what they

787
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: would say, like, oh, yeah, the eighteen years old girls

788
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: that went to this party instead said the truth about

789
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: what they saw. That they saw a naked woman doing

790
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 1: a pole dancing that then was working in politics, so

791
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: she was like working in the party of Garusconi in politics,

792
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 1: and a bunch of other women you know that I

793
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: actually worked in TV and had like very big roles

794
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: in TV, and they didn't get anything because they were

795
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: saying the truth of what was happening. So anyway, I

796
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: decided then after graduation UM that I was nineteen, it

797
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: was not a full graduation because I didn't do university

798
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: because I escaped Italy. I decided to change name and

799
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: to go somewhere else. So fortunately I got signed into

800
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: modeling UM agency in London, so I moved there when

801
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: I was about nineteen twenty years old. UM And and yeah,

802
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: I tried to to do that seriously, so I was modeling,

803
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: and I started like from zero, like nothing, you know,

804
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: I had to learn English. I had to find a

805
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: way to like, you know, stay in London. So I

806
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,919
Speaker 1: was staying at some friends couch first, and and then

807
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,439
Speaker 1: like little by little was getting like gigs and more

808
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: costing gigs, and so I could have survived in London

809
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: and not get back to Italy even if I had

810
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: to go because of the trial because like every couple

811
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: of weeks or like every time I had to go

812
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: there testify for like eight hours about what I saw

813
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: and like all of this crazy things, Like my life

814
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 1: was like I don't know if this is a movie

815
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,760
Speaker 1: or like it's crazy. So that's a lot of pressure

816
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: for a young kid. Yeah, I was eighteen. When I

817
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: think right now, the eighteen years old, I'm like, wow,

818
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: like I don't know how I managed, you know, to

819
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: do this, because like I grew up very fast. I

820
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: guess in the time of you know, like period, I

821
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 1: really said, like I don't wish this to nobody, like

822
00:51:55,120 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: it was crazy. So thanks God, I I had possibility

823
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: to work as a model full time. I also went

824
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: to Farris and then to to the US because you know,

825
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: you had to get your visa sponsored, otherwise they they

826
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: don't allow you to work. And I was, when did

827
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 1: you come to the United States? So the first first

828
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: time was in twenty um for it was when I

829
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 1: got my agency New York and that's when I uh

830
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: start to to model, like one time, so one time

831
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,919
Speaker 1: when I had my birthday of the twenty years old.

832
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 1: But it was a couple of weeks here in Miami,

833
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: not much. But anyway, like going back to when I

834
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 1: really came for work, it was and and did you

835
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 1: move here then? And no, because it was very hard

836
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: for me, like I was a new you know environment,

837
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: it was very expensive. New York was very crazy expensive.

838
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: So I had to like see if I could work

839
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: or not because it was I was new, I didn't know,

840
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: and I was happy that I would get a lot

841
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: of clients to work and it was customed. So I've said, Okay,

842
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,760
Speaker 1: maybe you can't realize my dreams to live in New York.

843
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: And and I staid for a couple of months. So

844
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: then I came back to Italy and I was so excited,

845
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 1: like I need to organize myself how to go back there.

846
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: And so a few months passed by because it was summer,

847
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 1: and I stayed in Italy till probably the end of February. Uh,

848
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: and then I came back to New York. My agency

849
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: was super excited. They were like, Lambra, thanks for coming back,

850
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: Like we're gonna get you again, the clients you had before,

851
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: Like you're gonna work perfect like this and that three

852
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: weeks after, we go to this um show at the

853
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: Radio City Music Hall with my agent and some other girls,

854
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: like a lot of times, we go watch movies, we

855
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: go to some parties together, you know, Like it was

856
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:58,919
Speaker 1: nice because I didn't have a family in New York,

857
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: so for me, it was Emily, Yeah, you're the other

858
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: girls you're working with and your team are meant to

859
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: kind of be your support system. It's like it's like

860
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: having a mentor and a bunch of classmates or something exactly.

861
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: And I was twenty two, you know, like speaking English,

862
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: like you know, I wanted to learn, so always like

863
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: talking to people and but very shy, very shy person.

864
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 1: And and then anyway, I wanted to escape the reality

865
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: I was living in Italy, so I was trying to

866
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: like get the things back my shoulder, like not thinking

867
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 1: about and yeah, that day happened it was um probably

868
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 1: end of March something like that, and yeah, we got

869
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: to this ready seeing music Hall theater show. We're there

870
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: watching this beautiful show I've never seen before, like a

871
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: theater show like that, and it was amazed of it.

872
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 1: So then there is they have to party um with

873
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: the girls. I'm with my agent and I'm like on

874
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,959
Speaker 1: the upstairs place where the v I p or stay

875
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: or like the people that worked in the in the show.

876
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 1: And then suddenly I'm there like eating like those little

877
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: like things and and watching people but not talking to anyone.

878
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: And then I see someone watching me from far like

879
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: staring at me, and I'm feeling weird. So I'm just

880
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,760
Speaker 1: walking the other side like and every time I moved

881
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: or I watched there, he was watching me, and I'm like,

882
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: why this guy watching me? You know? And then suddenly

883
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 1: he started moving towards me, and I got a little

884
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: like uncomfortable because I knew it was going to talk

885
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: to me, but it was weird because he stared at

886
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: me for like ten minutes or so. So I got

887
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: close to my agent and this guy started talking and

888
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: he said, oh, hi, what is your name? So I answered,

889
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: my name is Ambra and then he asked, who's your agent,

890
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: who's your agency? And he said, oh, no, this is

891
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,399
Speaker 1: my agent. And they started talking and I was there

892
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: and he was asking me question where you from? Um

893
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: this is and that. Like we talked like two minutes

894
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: or something like that, and he talked to my agent

895
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: saying like, oh, I have this project I'm working on

896
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: and I would love to have her to to do

897
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: um um casting for it and this and that, and

898
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, it's work related, so it's good.

899
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: Like someone noticed me maybe for work and and I'm

900
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: like okay, but I didn't think of asking who he

901
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: was and whatever. So then he left after five minutes conversation,

902
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: and my agent, like, you know, start talking to me

903
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: after he left, and he's like Amber, Amber, do you

904
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: know who that guy is? And I'm like no, I

905
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: don't know. And it's like, oh, it's Harvey Weinstein. He

906
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: produced the show we just watched. And I'm like, oh cool,

907
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: um okay, Like I mean, I never was interested in

908
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: being a theater actress or an actress, so I'm like

909
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: it's cool, but I don't know what it is that about.

910
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: I'm a model, you know, so I didn't think of it.

911
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: I left, I went out with my friends, and let's

912
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: say I go to sleep. The next day, I have

913
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,240
Speaker 1: two castings, so I wake up early. I get ready.

914
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,439
Speaker 1: It's kind of cold out side, so I'm wearing my

915
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: uh like very heavy tights in in like a green dress,

916
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: and I have my coat because New York in the

917
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: end of March super cold like storms and like whatever,

918
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: like it starts raining or get like freeze. And anyway,

919
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: I get out, I do my first casting, I do

920
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: my second casting, and it was like mid day or

921
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: something like that, and again and another email from my agency.

922
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: And a lot of times it happens that they give

923
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: you extra casting, you know, like during some like calling.

924
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: It's like for me as an actor during pilot season,

925
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: especially when I was earting, it was the same. I'd

926
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: have an appointment, I'd have to go audition for a show,

927
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 1: and by the time I got out, they'd be like,

928
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: you have to be across town in two hours and

929
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: read for this other things like you're just running all

930
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: over town trying to book a job. Yes, exactly. It's

931
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: super frustraating sometimes as well, but you have to do it.

932
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: So I'm like, Okay, I got an extra casting. I

933
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: didn't really see what was but he called me and

934
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, Ambra, Ambra, you got this new casting.

935
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: You remember the guy of yesterday. And I'm like okay, yeah,

936
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: and he said he wants to cast you. He wants

937
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: to cast you. Go to his office, um in Tribeca

938
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: Film Center or whatever like place and get there like

939
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: at five and I'm like, okay, good, So I'm already ready.

940
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: Maybe I go to eat like you know something. And

941
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: I go there. So it's five pm, so daylight whatever. Um.

942
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: I remember, like I get to the reception, I give

943
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 1: my documents and I got upstairs and the A is

944
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 1: a secretary and she's like, oh m bra Hi, follow me.

945
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: We're gonna go to the waiting room. And I'm like okay.

946
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: So I'm there getting into this waiting room. I'm sitting

947
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: on a on a sofa and I'm there alone, and

948
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: she put up like a video of something on a

949
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: TV in front of me, and like there was this

950
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: TV like with the video of of like trailers of

951
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: like movies like kill Bill or like um other things.

952
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh cool, nice, yeah, but I'm not thinking,

953
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: like I'm I'm like oh nice, nice movies you know well.

954
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: And especially because just to to really hammer home the difference,

955
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: you came to New York to model exactly if you

956
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: weren't pursuing a career in acting, why why were why

957
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 1: would you know who Harvey was or what movies he

958
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: had produced. It's like, it's not your world. Absolutely, And

959
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 1: my agent the day before said, is the producer of

960
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: this show you've just seen? So I thought theater theater,

961
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: like this is the thing. So when he came in

962
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 1: because the video was ending, he ended it's like, oh, Hamburg,

963
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: is really nice to see you again. Um. Another thing

964
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 1: that he said when he saw me first, it's like,

965
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: you know, you're you remind me a lot of these

966
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: actress Mila Kunis. And at the time, because you know,

967
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 1: I don't remember, like I grew up in Italy, I

968
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: don't know names of actresses or you know, like and

969
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: I was in America. Sorry, I don't know. I don't

970
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: know who she is. Now I know, but at the

971
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: time I was like, I don't know, I don't know.

972
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but thanks, I mean, I don't know. So

973
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: he kept saying that like, oh you remember me, her,

974
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: you remember me? Her? And I was like okay, okay,

975
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 1: and then he said, oh you saw these movies, these

976
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: movies I made these movies. And I'm like, oh wow, nice, beautiful,

977
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: you know, like I saw them, like almost every all

978
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: of them. And then he kept talking like, oh, you

979
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: could have like beautiful career. I know that you have

980
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: like a great up like you you're gonna do great

981
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: and this and that. And I'm like, oh, thanks, but

982
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: I never dated acting like I never studied, and I

983
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: know it's very hard and I have friends to do

984
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: it and it's seven work, you know, like it's very hard.

985
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: I know it. And we spoke for like two or

986
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: three minutes and then like kept talking and I said,

987
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 1: do you want to see my book because that's what

988
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: you're doing customs Like I didn't want to talk, you know,

989
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 1: and he said, oh yeah, it's great. Right. So I

990
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: had my iPod to him and he starts scrolling my

991
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: pictures and he's like, oh wow, beautiful and then he

992
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: stopped to a picture of me lingerie because I'm a

993
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: lungurie model mostly, and he's watching It's like, oh, Ambro,

994
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: I want to ask you a question. Uh is her breastril?

995
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: And I was like what so he put down that

996
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: I put without saying a word, not like even in

997
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 1: the half of a second. His hands were on my breast,

998
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 1: and I was like, I sit back and I watched

999
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 1: him like I didn't know what to say. And then

1000
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: he's like, just give me a kiss, give me a kiss.

1001
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:20,439
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, I'm sorry. I mean, I don't

1002
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: do these things to people I don't know, you know,

1003
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 1: like I act that way. And so he moved back

1004
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 1: because his end was also my leg, you know, and

1005
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: he moved back and and he's like, oh, oh no,

1006
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: I understand. I understand. Maybe maybe later tonight. We get

1007
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 1: a drink and and we meet later tonight. I send

1008
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: you two tickets for for my show, for my show,

1009
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: like something like. He kept rumbling, and I was like,

1010
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: I didn't know what to do. I was like, what

1011
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 1: just happened, you know, in like two minutes three minutes time,

1012
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: and he left, he left like nothing happened. He left,

1013
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: and they you're saying he left, nothing had happened. He

1014
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: didn't apologize to you, he didn't like he thought, he

1015
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: didn't nothing wrong, like it touched my breast. He asked

1016
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 1: me to kiss him. And when I said, oh, I'm sorry.

1017
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: I don't do these things with people I don't know,

1018
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 1: like what are you doing? It's also so interesting to

1019
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 1: me because I know, I know how surprised I was

1020
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 1: in a in a similar experience by my reaction, which

1021
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: was because I just saw you do it. You know,

1022
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 1: the people who are listening can't see us, obviously, but

1023
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: this it's like you go stiff and you freeze, and

1024
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 1: you think you think you're gonna smack someone or yell

1025
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 1: or or push them or and it's like you literally freeze.

1026
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 1: Was that your experience and was that surprising to you? Yeah,

1027
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 1: I was surprised. I didn't know how to act, like

1028
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: my self defense was like not move, like, don't move,

1029
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: don't do anything, because I didn't know like how we

1030
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: would reactive pushed him or like I don't know. My

1031
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 1: dad was like, well, because what if you'd pushed him

1032
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: and then he had gotten violent? You don't know. One

1033
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 1: of the things that was really helpful for me, I

1034
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 1: I learned um And I don't know what you would

1035
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: say in Italian, but there's a very common phrase that

1036
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,439
Speaker 1: maybe you've heard in English where people say it's fight

1037
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 1: or flight, you know, like when you're threatened, it's like

1038
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 1: fight or flight is the response. And I actually learned, Um,

1039
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 1: I learned from a trauma therapist that that's not true.

1040
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: And and and this, this incredible woman said the funniest

1041
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 1: thing to me, which I really appreciated, because when you're

1042
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: talking about these experiences there's often not a lot of humor.

1043
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: And she said, you know, there's words we learn, like

1044
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 1: we've learned fight or flight in the same way that

1045
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 1: in English we've learned peanut butter and jelly. And she goes,

1046
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 1: if someone said to you, I want a jelly and

1047
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 1: peanut butter sandwich, you'd probably think they were a serial killer,

1048
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 1: Like who says that? And and and she said, so

1049
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 1: we think fight or flight is meaningful, but actually the

1050
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 1: responses in the human brain when threatened our first freeze,

1051
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: then flight, then fight only as a means to get away.

1052
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 1: So it's actually that we freeze first and and the

1053
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: least likely thing that we do is is to fight.

1054
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: And that really helped me understand that reaction where I

1055
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is the way the brain, the

1056
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: human brain is wired this way. It's not that I

1057
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 1: did the wrong thing or didn't do anything or whatever.

1058
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 1: The story is it's it's quite literally that that's that

1059
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 1: is a way that your brain tries to save your

1060
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 1: life when you are petrified. And I think a lot

1061
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: to people forget that in the kinds of experience you're

1062
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 1: talking about and that I'm talking about as a woman,

1063
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: when a man who is enormous is praying on you

1064
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: and you are alone with him, you're pretty afraid to

1065
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: hit him because what if he hits you back. Yeah,

1066
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 1: he is very tall, Like, he's very big. He's a

1067
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 1: huge man. Harvey Weinstein is a huge scary man exactly.

1068
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm very tall, just to say I'm very tall.

1069
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 1: And I was, you know, like very scared and freezed

1070
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 1: about the situation. So anyway, like the secretary comes in

1071
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 1: and said, I'm going to send you the tickets. I'm

1072
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: going to send you a ticket for tonight and uh no,

1073
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 1: And I was like and not understanding what's going on.

1074
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 1: I said, I need to go to the restroom. So

1075
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 1: I went to the rest room. I put my hands

1076
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 1: under the water because like I was shaking, you know,

1077
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 1: but was not reacting by voice, Like my body was

1078
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 1: just you know, like shaking, And I thought I thought

1079
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 1: I was going to faint or something. So I got

1080
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 1: into the elevator that nobody would see me, and I

1081
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 1: was going down. I started to try to call my

1082
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 1: agent and I was like really shaking, like you know,

1083
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 1: like pushing button like constantly to go down. And and

1084
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 1: then I went out and I got into the first taxi.

1085
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 1: So my agent, because it was Friday, um, I had

1086
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 1: to go to his family. So it didn't pick up.

1087
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 1: And I called someone else, like another agent of the

1088
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: agency that was still in the agency, and I said,

1089
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 1: oh my god, oh my god, something happened. Something happened,

1090
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 1: and and he's like, oh, remember what's going on. What's

1091
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 1: going on? And it's like I need to talk to someone.

1092
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 1: I need to talk to someone. Someone is in the

1093
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 1: agency yet like still, and he's like, yeah, I'm here.

1094
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 1: I'm here with my girlfriend. She came here like this

1095
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: and that, and I said, let's just stay there, just

1096
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:00,040
Speaker 1: stay there please. So I got there with the of

1097
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 1: the cab and I saw him in the street with

1098
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 1: his girlfriend because he represents the music like the side

1099
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 1: of the agency, and he said, oh my god, this,

1100
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 1: this thing's happened. This person, this person touched me. This

1101
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 1: person touched me, and like in my head, I was thinking,

1102
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 1: is it happening everything to me? Like in my head,

1103
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:23,760
Speaker 1: I was like, what the hell is going on? And

1104
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: at that point, I thought this person is super powerful.

1105
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 1: It's known, like it's super he knows everyone you know,

1106
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 1: And and in me, I'm like, why am I meeting

1107
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 1: all of these people in my life? Like first of

1108
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 1: all in Italy, you know, the Prime Minister. Then this

1109
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 1: guy like I didn't know under percent how powerful it was,

1110
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:46,839
Speaker 1: but I knew that he was like with in pictures

1111
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 1: with a lot of famous people, like these kind of

1112
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 1: things in his office and and he produced all this

1113
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 1: movie showed me and I'm like, oh my gosh, what

1114
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 1: what what's going on? You know, like and I started

1115
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 1: crying for like an hour and this and that, and

1116
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 1: then my head, I'm like I need to go to

1117
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 1: the police. I need to go to the police, you know,

1118
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:09,759
Speaker 1: Like I was telling this agent of mine and he said, amber,

1119
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 1: like you can't do that, and I'm like why because

1120
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 1: this person is going to destroy you, like your career

1121
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 1: and everything is gonna end. And I said, okay, but

1122
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 1: I don't care. He touched me, you know, like I

1123
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 1: want to I want to do something about it, and

1124
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 1: He's like, are you sure, And it seems to me

1125
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 1: that in a way it must have felt even more

1126
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 1: important to you than what you had seen in Italy,

1127
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:41,880
Speaker 1: because in Italy you didn't let anyone touch and you

1128
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 1: didn't stay in this inappropriate place, and you still got

1129
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 1: in trouble for it. You got in trouble because you

1130
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 1: told the truth. And now it's like you think, you

1131
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 1: think I'm not going to tell the truth about being

1132
01:09:54,320 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 1: sexually assaulted, Like how how you know it happened here

1133
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 1: with Harvey? And it's like, I I realized that in

1134
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:12,680
Speaker 1: my own life, when I have seen or witnessed or

1135
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:16,719
Speaker 1: experienced things that I know are unjust, that are wrong.

1136
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:20,680
Speaker 1: The more I see that is wrong, the more I

1137
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 1: want to fight for what's right. Because once you start

1138
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 1: to realize how pervasive it is, how much it's everywhere,

1139
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:30,799
Speaker 1: you know. I think about the fact that in this country,

1140
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 1: for example, one in four girls has been sexually assaulted

1141
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 1: by the time she's twenty two, And I'm like, so,

1142
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 1: it isn't just you that is running into bad people.

1143
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 1: It's that there's just bad people praying on women everywhere,

1144
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:47,600
Speaker 1: and so of course we want to do something to

1145
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 1: stop it. And change it. Yeah, there's a lot of

1146
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:54,560
Speaker 1: people ask me the same question, like it seems that like,

1147
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:59,560
Speaker 1: you know, everything happens to you or like you know,

1148
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 1: like you always get in troubles or these things. And

1149
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, it's not me, it's every single person.

1150
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 1: It's just that I don't I don't get like I

1151
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 1: speak about it, you know, like if someone does something

1152
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,600
Speaker 1: wrong to me, I speak about it and I fight it.

1153
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 1: You know. But every single woman, every single day, just

1154
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 1: from being cut cold, they experienced some sort of like

1155
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 1: sexual harassment, you know, every single person. And it doesn't

1156
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 1: matter how you dress, how you act, how like you

1157
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 1: could be even like a teenager high school, like a

1158
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 1: girl going out of school, and someone is gonna arrest

1159
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 1: you in the street, Like it doesn't matter. So it's

1160
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 1: just not being silent about it. You know. Maybe it

1161
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 1: makes you look like you complain too much, but it's not.

1162
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:52,640
Speaker 1: You have to do that. And I'm glad that then

1163
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 1: you too, started because you really highlight the like multiple

1164
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 1: experience that everyone is going through. Yeah. I agree with that,

1165
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:03,640
Speaker 1: And I think the more we talk about it, the

1166
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 1: more we realize it's happening to everyone, and then the

1167
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:10,599
Speaker 1: more we understand that it's a systemic issue that needs

1168
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 1: to be changed. So what what happens? You know, you're

1169
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 1: this agent is telling you don't do this, you can't

1170
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:21,919
Speaker 1: do this, you have to just keep quiet. And your response,

1171
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 1: obviously is I'm not going to keep quiet about this.

1172
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 1: So he he was saying, world than that, like your

1173
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 1: career is going to be destroyed, you know, like you're

1174
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 1: gonna like he can't close all the doors for you.

1175
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't care. I just don't care,

1176
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:41,719
Speaker 1: you know. So I went to the police. I wanted

1177
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 1: to police station that was the one in trade back

1178
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:47,759
Speaker 1: at close to his office. And the moment I walked

1179
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 1: in and I stalked through the windows door like the

1180
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 1: one that you know you speak to police people, and

1181
01:12:55,040 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 1: and I said, Harvey Wainstein assaulted me in his office.

1182
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 1: The guy answered again, and I was like, what do

1183
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 1: you mean again? This happened before, you know, like I

1184
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:15,679
Speaker 1: thought it was like a joke. So in my head,

1185
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,799
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened, but like it just turned

1186
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 1: on something that made me NonStop on any sort of

1187
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 1: situation like that. Again, Like in my head, I was thinking,

1188
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 1: maybe happened to some like young girl, you know, like

1189
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:36,360
Speaker 1: did maybe he did something even worse, Like in my

1190
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 1: mind just went like crazy. I was thinking of like

1191
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 1: worst situation than he did to other people. Okay, because

1192
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 1: I said, okay, I'm lucky he touched me. That's it,

1193
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 1: you know, like but what if I was right? So

1194
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 1: that thing, you know, made me collaborate with the police.

1195
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 1: Go meet him again the next day because he sent

1196
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 1: me the tickets, so I went to the show meet

1197
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 1: him again. He told me to go to this rockxy

1198
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 1: hotel um to meet him. There was the Tribeca Ground

1199
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 1: at the time, to meet him at the bar. He

1200
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 1: tried to take me to his room three times, you know,

1201
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 1: trying to learn me to say like, oh I made

1202
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 1: this girl, I made these other actress like they are

1203
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 1: famous because of me, and this isn't that. And then

1204
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 1: he told me like you're gonna be famous, You're gonna

1205
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 1: do this and that. And I was wired with undercover

1206
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 1: police around me. Tried to get him to confess what

1207
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 1: it did, and he did. He confessed everything he did

1208
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 1: to me and other more things, and I was like wow,

1209
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 1: like God gave me the strength to do this, Like

1210
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna help so many people I'm super happy, and

1211
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 1: people are gonna believe me because it's because it's on tape.

1212
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 1: It's on tape, you know. I remember listening to that

1213
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 1: tape when it finally came out, and I just had

1214
01:14:57,439 --> 01:14:59,600
Speaker 1: the chills and I was crying, and I was like

1215
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 1: the fact that that you were able to press him

1216
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 1: and say why did you do that to me? And

1217
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 1: and that he admitted in detail what he did, and

1218
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 1: that he said to you, well, I'm used to that.

1219
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 1: It just made me so sick because I thought you're

1220
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 1: used to assaulting girls, okay, And and I was so angry,

1221
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 1: just as a woman who's you know, we've all been

1222
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 1: there and whatever ways we have. I was so angry

1223
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 1: that they had it on tape and that they hit

1224
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 1: it for so many years. I mean, they hit it.

1225
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:45,960
Speaker 1: And that's what interests me, because you know, I read

1226
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 1: the record and you talked about how when you reported it,

1227
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:54,600
Speaker 1: a woman named Martha Bashford was at the time the

1228
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 1: head of the sex crimes unit in New York and

1229
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 1: a woman into irrigated you like you were the criminal.

1230
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 1: And obviously we know that this is all too common

1231
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 1: for women. Were always asked what were you wearing? And

1232
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 1: were you drinking? And it's like, no one's ever asked

1233
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 1: a rapist what he was wearing or how much he'd

1234
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 1: had to drink, you know. She asked you questions like

1235
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 1: were you ever a prostitute? Have you ever gotten gifts

1236
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 1: from someone? Did you ask for a movie role? It's like,

1237
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 1: it's so it's so disgusting and and I'm curious, what

1238
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 1: did that, What did that feel like? And did that

1239
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 1: add to your anger at how these situations are handled?

1240
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 1: Like I knew I had this tape, okay, and what

1241
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 1: the police told me to do. A part of having

1242
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 1: the wire was recording with my highphone. So I turned

1243
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 1: on the recording with my iPhone and I put it

1244
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:00,680
Speaker 1: in my bag and kept my bag and shoulder all

1245
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 1: the time. So I was recording all of this, you know,

1246
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 1: encounter um of him talking to me all this time

1247
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 1: and you know, trying to take me first to this

1248
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 1: second floor room and then at the end to the

1249
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 1: pent house, you know, because he was really really determinated

1250
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:23,600
Speaker 1: to take me to this room. Okay, So anyway, I

1251
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 1: had this on tape on my phone. I sent this

1252
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 1: recording to five different emails that I had at the time,

1253
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:34,720
Speaker 1: and I was there because I said, like, this is

1254
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 1: very very very important. And and then like the police

1255
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 1: was super happy about you know what they got. They said,

1256
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 1: it's going to jail, is going to jail, and percent

1257
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 1: is going to jail. And I was like, wow, this

1258
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:49,720
Speaker 1: is like the most beautiful feeling I ever had in

1259
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 1: my life, you know, like I put this guy behind

1260
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,560
Speaker 1: bars for sure, and that's it. So then like a

1261
01:17:55,760 --> 01:18:00,160
Speaker 1: few days after, like a week passed by, okay, and

1262
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 1: it was Saturday, so Sunday was quiet. I had the

1263
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 1: police escorting me to a hotel because it felt paranoid.

1264
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 1: You know, For like a week I was there, and

1265
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 1: every single day after that, there was a front page

1266
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 1: of a newspaper. There was New York Post Daily Email,

1267
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 1: New York Post Dailymail with my face, me in bikini,

1268
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:27,960
Speaker 1: me with whatever, like looking like um in a party

1269
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 1: or whatever, like trying to destroy my reputation because they

1270
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 1: didn't know about the collaboration with the police. They didn't

1271
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 1: know of anything, and trying to say I asked for

1272
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 1: a movie role, I I asked for money. I wanted

1273
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 1: to blackmail him. I had his wife saying like whatever

1274
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:49,519
Speaker 1: things about me, you know, like because she didn't know

1275
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 1: of the recordings, like of course, but she was wearing

1276
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 1: of his kids on his kids, like he said her

1277
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:57,760
Speaker 1: swear on your kids. I'm not gonna do anything to

1278
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 1: you getting this room, and how like, oh wow, when

1279
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 1: these things is gonna go out, you're going down. Like

1280
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 1: in my head I was thinking that, And so anyway,

1281
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 1: every single yeah, I mean, for for a man to

1282
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 1: say I swear on my children, it's like, that's so disgusting,

1283
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 1: worst thing ever I heard in my life. And so

1284
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:19,640
Speaker 1: every single day for a week that happened. Then I

1285
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 1: had the meeting with marsh Martha Bashfort and I was

1286
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 1: there and she started asking me a questions like have

1287
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:31,679
Speaker 1: you ever been a prostitute? Explain me this situation in Italy?

1288
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:34,439
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, yeah, it's very long to explain,

1289
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 1: but I was right. And she's like, but have you

1290
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:40,720
Speaker 1: ever got a gift from people? Have you ever had

1291
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 1: like an old lover, or have you ever liked this

1292
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 1: and that? And I'm like, excuse me, have you heard

1293
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 1: the recordings? Like in like in my mind, like I

1294
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 1: didn't know how to express myself perfectly, you know right now,

1295
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 1: I would say listen, even if I was a prostitute. Okay,

1296
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 1: what this is gonna like make difference with the recording tape?

1297
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 1: Like okay, like is there like some difference because you know,

1298
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 1: like I was a prostitute or I was a saint

1299
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 1: to these recording so you have proof of recording. But

1300
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 1: this is a thing that bothers me so much about

1301
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 1: what happens to women is that there's this like Madonna

1302
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:24,639
Speaker 1: horror complex and you're either this flawless person who nothing

1303
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:28,599
Speaker 1: has ever happened to, has never been sexual, or if

1304
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 1: you've ever been sexual, or or just how to body

1305
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 1: people perceive as sexy. Then then it's like you're going

1306
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:41,680
Speaker 1: down and that's impossible because everyone perceives sexy differently, so

1307
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:43,640
Speaker 1: you can never get it right or get it or

1308
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 1: or you're wrong all the time. And it's like this

1309
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:50,760
Speaker 1: idea that that you would even have to say that,

1310
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 1: first of all, no, you have not worked as a prostitute,

1311
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 1: and it's insulting to say that you did. Second of all,

1312
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 1: if you were a sex word ger, would you be

1313
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 1: any less deserving of protection? Would you? Would it? Would

1314
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 1: it be fair for a for a woman who does

1315
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:12,719
Speaker 1: work in that in that field, would it be fair

1316
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:16,719
Speaker 1: for her to be assaulted when she's not working because

1317
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 1: of what she does for work. No, it's like it

1318
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 1: puts us in this impossible position where in a way,

1319
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 1: by denying, by by telling the truth that you're not

1320
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 1: or you never have been, you're demeaning women who are.

1321
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:34,599
Speaker 1: And then if you're defending women who are, you're saying

1322
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:37,960
Speaker 1: that you did and that no matter what, women are

1323
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 1: put in these impossible positions where we where we're denigrating

1324
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:45,560
Speaker 1: each other in a way, and this woman was denigrating

1325
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 1: you and and trying to insinuate that if you'd ever

1326
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 1: had a boyfriend who was the age of your assaulter,

1327
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 1: you're this man couldn't possibly have assaulted you. It's like,

1328
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:58,640
Speaker 1: what does that even mean? There is no no connection.

1329
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 1: So on that and all of a sudden, I have

1330
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 1: a technical question because you made this you you did

1331
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:09,360
Speaker 1: the recording, you wore a wire. Did the police ever

1332
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 1: give you a copy of that audio file or did

1333
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:14,839
Speaker 1: you only have the audio file from your own iPhone?

1334
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 1: Just from my own iPhone? Wow, so you were never

1335
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 1: given your own evidence by the police. Interesting? No, And yeah,

1336
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 1: So anyway, in that moment of the discussion between me

1337
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 1: and Martha, Bashford. I felt like I was the one

1338
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 1: being accused of something. When like then at the end

1339
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 1: she walked out. I was like, this didn't go well,

1340
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:44,640
Speaker 1: and like in my head, I was like, Okay, I

1341
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:47,479
Speaker 1: need to do something about And I was already thinking

1342
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 1: who can I trust to give those recordings to at

1343
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:53,280
Speaker 1: the time, but I was so afraid because like I

1344
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 1: was trying to get in touch with different journalists, but

1345
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:59,559
Speaker 1: I didn't know anyone. I was twenty two, justin New

1346
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 1: York's three weeks. I didn't know enough people. I was

1347
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:05,640
Speaker 1: trying to get in touch to, like so many, and

1348
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know who to trust. So

1349
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 1: I had to see in the front line of the

1350
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 1: newspaper the next day, not nobody calling me, so not

1351
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 1: that d A calling me, not anyone calling me. And

1352
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:21,800
Speaker 1: I saw it, and if the news and the front

1353
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:24,879
Speaker 1: page of the New York Post, I think Harvey Wainstein

1354
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 1: would not be criminally charged for whatever. And I was like,

1355
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 1: aretty serious. Nobody even told me, like I had to

1356
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:35,320
Speaker 1: see it on the first page of a newspaper to

1357
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:39,880
Speaker 1: know that it would not being criminally charged. I was furious.

1358
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 1: I was like, I mean, like I couldn't express it,

1359
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:46,719
Speaker 1: but like in my head, I was thinking every single

1360
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:50,639
Speaker 1: thing that was happening, like they are trying to really

1361
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 1: really make me look stupid. So anyway, I got I

1362
01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 1: got on on and on, and I had paparazzo following

1363
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:05,200
Speaker 1: me everywhere, and I had my lawyer telling me that

1364
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 1: Harvey wanted to like put these things aside and tried

1365
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 1: to make me sign something. I was like no, no, no.

1366
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:16,000
Speaker 1: Every day I was telling him like no, no, I'm

1367
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:19,360
Speaker 1: sure these recordings is gonna go go get out. I'm

1368
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 1: gonna find someone to give it to. You know, I'm

1369
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 1: never going to sign anything and this and that like

1370
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:30,200
Speaker 1: for the days. Okay. Then one day my brother called

1371
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 1: me from Italy and he said, Amber, listen, I have

1372
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 1: a journalist here at my at my work and he's

1373
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:45,840
Speaker 1: asking about you. And I'm like where in Italy? Who

1374
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:47,840
Speaker 1: is this person? And it's like, oh, I don't know.

1375
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:50,400
Speaker 1: I didn't say like a name. He said, like he

1376
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:53,240
Speaker 1: was asking me question if I was your brother, And

1377
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:56,880
Speaker 1: I'm like what. And then in my head I started

1378
01:24:56,920 --> 01:25:03,280
Speaker 1: thinking like super weare stuff like bad stuff, and and

1379
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:06,800
Speaker 1: I said, Cloudia, just just get home right now, don't

1380
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 1: don't go to work these days, just stay home, Okay,

1381
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:14,519
Speaker 1: you were worried for his safety. I didn't know what

1382
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 1: could have happened, you know, like I didn't know like

1383
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 1: the amount of like in my head, of course, if

1384
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 1: it's me, I could just go on a suicide whatever

1385
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:27,560
Speaker 1: like mission. If it touched any person that I care of,

1386
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:30,639
Speaker 1: of course, I have to give up. Like I could

1387
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:35,600
Speaker 1: never leave my life knowing that someone got through, you know,

1388
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 1: like a situation because of me. So then I called

1389
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 1: my lawyer and I said, okay, I think I'm going

1390
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 1: to sign. And what happened next is that I signed

1391
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:54,599
Speaker 1: an NBA. And I remember I got to this office

1392
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 1: and there was his lawyer, and his lawyer was so

1393
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:01,360
Speaker 1: nervous to meet me, and I talked to him like, oh,

1394
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 1: good evening. Um It's like, oh, I'm so glad you're here. Amber.

1395
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:09,560
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, like it's so embarrassing situation. UM, I know

1396
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:12,760
Speaker 1: this is like not good, but thank you for being here.

1397
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:15,760
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, I know it's not good, but

1398
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:18,519
Speaker 1: like I was there anyway, you know, I don't know

1399
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:21,080
Speaker 1: what else to do. I was like having my hands

1400
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 1: tied up. But in my head, okay, I knew I

1401
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 1: kept a copy of the recording because what happened is

1402
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:34,640
Speaker 1: that before signing I should have gave all my recordings

1403
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:38,240
Speaker 1: to be destroyed, access to all my emails, access to

1404
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 1: my phone, to everything, so they could have destroyed all this,

1405
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 1: like everything about him, and and I said okay, And

1406
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:52,479
Speaker 1: then I remember like one day, um, I couldn't whatever,

1407
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:56,599
Speaker 1: I fake to not remember this password of this email

1408
01:26:56,640 --> 01:27:00,600
Speaker 1: that I sent the recording to, and and I was

1409
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 1: acting very stupid at a time. I was trying to

1410
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:06,639
Speaker 1: like act like okay, I don't know what I'm doing

1411
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:10,240
Speaker 1: type of so that they would not figure that I

1412
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:13,720
Speaker 1: knew how to like copy without showing whatever. Like the

1413
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:16,559
Speaker 1: situation was like I opened you were playing. You were

1414
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:20,559
Speaker 1: playing them to protect yourself exactly. So in a way,

1415
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 1: I copy a a recording. I copied the recording on

1416
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:29,120
Speaker 1: a computer of a friend of mine opening an email, uh,

1417
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:32,320
Speaker 1: but not showing that A transfer the file. So then

1418
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:35,400
Speaker 1: it closed it again, and I called my lawyers saying like, oh,

1419
01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 1: I remember this is the pastor you can give it

1420
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:40,800
Speaker 1: to them, so whatever. Like then it happened that I

1421
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 1: signed the contract in front of this lawyer, knowing that

1422
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:46,160
Speaker 1: I had a copy of the recording, and I told him,

1423
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:50,080
Speaker 1: you know, I'm signing this contract, but if I hear

1424
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:55,560
Speaker 1: of him hurting anyone else, I would not care what

1425
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 1: I'm signing. And I told him, and it's like, oh, yeah,

1426
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:04,320
Speaker 1: of course, sure, absolutely, So that's it. I signed that contract.

1427
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 1: But then like I felt super bad, like I felt

1428
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 1: like I didn't fight enough for something, Like I didn't

1429
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:12,479
Speaker 1: know what else to do, Like every single day I

1430
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 1: was thinking, what what could I do? Maybe now I

1431
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 1: could find someone to like give those recordings, like I

1432
01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:21,280
Speaker 1: was trying to find someone, Like that's the thing, Like

1433
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:24,240
Speaker 1: I was praying every day to find someone, you know,

1434
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:31,240
Speaker 1: and I got into signing. Being afraid for your brother

1435
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:35,040
Speaker 1: and your mom is what motivated you to sign the

1436
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 1: n d A. But even when you signed it, you

1437
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:40,560
Speaker 1: felt you felt like it was wrong. Of course I

1438
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 1: would have not keep those recordings otherwise, like of course,

1439
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 1: but you but I imagine you also felt like you

1440
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:50,599
Speaker 1: didn't have a choice. It's like if they know, if

1441
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 1: they know where your family lives, and you know, you

1442
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 1: see how powerful he is. It I imagine it it

1443
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 1: felt like Italy all over again, but worse. Absolutely, Yeah,

1444
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:09,840
Speaker 1: And it strikes me as very interesting that they knew

1445
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:12,639
Speaker 1: there was a recording that Harvey and his lawyers knew,

1446
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:15,599
Speaker 1: which meant that the police had told them they knew

1447
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:18,320
Speaker 1: that there was evidence. And that's probably why he was

1448
01:29:18,439 --> 01:29:21,880
Speaker 1: so scared. And I would imagine why you were so scared,

1449
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:25,679
Speaker 1: because if they believe that was the kind of evidence

1450
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:31,200
Speaker 1: that could destroy him, you know, do do you then

1451
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:34,080
Speaker 1: worry that that's the kind of evidence that threatens your life?

1452
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:36,800
Speaker 1: You know, it's a big it's a big thing you

1453
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:39,720
Speaker 1: were carrying on your shoulders. You saw what happened when

1454
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:44,280
Speaker 1: when the recordings came out, the worst most job everything,

1455
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:47,920
Speaker 1: he got to jail. That would have happened in and

1456
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:51,519
Speaker 1: I wouldn't lose two three years of my life. You

1457
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:56,439
Speaker 1: know they knew it. I mean, coming forward obviously impacted

1458
01:29:56,479 --> 01:29:59,360
Speaker 1: your life in so many ways. When you said, you know,

1459
01:29:59,439 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 1: two to three years of your life you lost, what

1460
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:05,960
Speaker 1: does that mean? Does that mean that you couldn't work?

1461
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 1: Were people afraid to hire you? You know? What? Did

1462
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:11,280
Speaker 1: it look like? That's what happened. And also because I

1463
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:14,519
Speaker 1: got into a very huge depression first year, I gained

1464
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:19,200
Speaker 1: like thirty pounds because I was stressed eating and and

1465
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 1: so of course in modeling at the time, it was

1466
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 1: not possible to do it in that condition. But also

1467
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:29,200
Speaker 1: like psychologically I wasn't evil like the processing of my

1468
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:33,000
Speaker 1: thoats of like whatever, like I would think I was suicidal.

1469
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:35,880
Speaker 1: I was like having all of these problems. Okay. So

1470
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:39,120
Speaker 1: one year was that way. And then when I started

1471
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:41,320
Speaker 1: getting better because I started working out again, I was

1472
01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:44,360
Speaker 1: in the Philippines and moved there, so I got that

1473
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:48,560
Speaker 1: to myself. But every time, like people were googling me,

1474
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:54,439
Speaker 1: I was Amber Battilana Gutierrez. That was you know, first

1475
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:58,560
Speaker 1: in Italy, you know, described as an escort going to

1476
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 1: Burrow sconey House and can uh the one that black

1477
01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:07,720
Speaker 1: mail like like you know, very famous Christen. And then

1478
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:09,639
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I don't know what to do anymore.

1479
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:14,479
Speaker 1: Should I call myself? I don't know, Samantha read and

1480
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:18,679
Speaker 1: just started a new life or just trying to embrace

1481
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:20,800
Speaker 1: what's happening and try to think like there was a

1482
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 1: reason of why. So there was a reason and uh,

1483
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:28,000
Speaker 1: and let's say that after two years and a half,

1484
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:30,920
Speaker 1: I'm happy that I kept believing in myself, you know,

1485
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:35,679
Speaker 1: And and I attracted the right path and I met

1486
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:41,160
Speaker 1: ron and run and and I like it was like

1487
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:45,960
Speaker 1: an angel came on heart, let's say for for helping me. Yeah,

1488
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:49,040
Speaker 1: it was. It was crazy. Yeah, what was your first

1489
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 1: conversation with Ronan? Like on the phone? Yeah? Just how

1490
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:57,040
Speaker 1: how was the first conversation with him being able to

1491
01:31:57,160 --> 01:31:59,840
Speaker 1: open up to someone and and realizing that this was

1492
01:31:59,880 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 1: a person you could trust. I mean I didn't know

1493
01:32:02,479 --> 01:32:04,760
Speaker 1: I was I could have trust him, but I don't know.

1494
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:08,759
Speaker 1: Like I was in my prayers, I was always like asking,

1495
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:13,680
Speaker 1: please send me somebody, you know, it's gonna happen, like

1496
01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:16,840
Speaker 1: I know someone that's gonna come my way, you know.

1497
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:20,320
Speaker 1: And suddenly like this very weird call out of nowhere,

1498
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:23,519
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like, hello, my name is Ronnan Fara.

1499
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:25,960
Speaker 1: And I google him and I saw a little bit

1500
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:28,840
Speaker 1: of his life and this isn't that And it's like, oh,

1501
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:33,280
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm like investigating about this situation. Because

1502
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:37,200
Speaker 1: also like a few months before, like in October, I think, um,

1503
01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:42,160
Speaker 1: I found out about Rose McGowan. There was you know,

1504
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:47,000
Speaker 1: accusing of a rape but not saying publicly his name.

1505
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:51,240
Speaker 1: It was like people saying it's Harvey Wednesday, but she's

1506
01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:54,519
Speaker 1: not like you know, so I was like okay, because

1507
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:58,160
Speaker 1: already in October, I was like mad because I heard

1508
01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:01,320
Speaker 1: about him rating someone and I was like, okay, but

1509
01:33:01,439 --> 01:33:04,719
Speaker 1: this happened like very long time before, and I promised

1510
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:09,280
Speaker 1: myself only if I heard of anyone after me, I

1511
01:33:09,320 --> 01:33:13,040
Speaker 1: would not, you know, like care of anything. So anyway,

1512
01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:17,559
Speaker 1: I was waiting and waiting, and then suddenly ron and said, okay,

1513
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:20,679
Speaker 1: I'm working with this woman as well, and these other

1514
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 1: woman as well, and these other woman, and so I

1515
01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 1: started speaking to him, and I wanted to test him

1516
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:28,680
Speaker 1: a little. So I was like I met him one

1517
01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 1: time and at the time, and at the time another somewhere,

1518
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:34,200
Speaker 1: another somewhere like this and that and that. And then

1519
01:33:34,479 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 1: because I saw it was so passionate about like you know,

1520
01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:40,519
Speaker 1: putting him dangerou for like getting out this truth of him,

1521
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:47,759
Speaker 1: I said, I can help you very much with something

1522
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:51,840
Speaker 1: that I have. And he's like, okay, well what is it?

1523
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:57,200
Speaker 1: And I said, I have his voice admitting what he

1524
01:33:57,280 --> 01:34:00,519
Speaker 1: did to me on a record recordings that I did

1525
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:04,280
Speaker 1: with the police. And his eyes just went like what

1526
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:08,120
Speaker 1: I can I hear it? Can I hear it? What

1527
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:11,120
Speaker 1: can I hear it? And I'm like, yeah, let's meet

1528
01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:13,840
Speaker 1: to some other place. So we went to this like

1529
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:18,759
Speaker 1: Brazilian restaurant somewhere like in Midtown and it was empty

1530
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:22,280
Speaker 1: and I had my old computer that I had my

1531
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:26,679
Speaker 1: brother flew in to give me UM and I played

1532
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:30,479
Speaker 1: this recording for the first time and he was like,

1533
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:38,160
Speaker 1: oh my god, Umbra, this is It's like it's perfect.

1534
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:43,439
Speaker 1: And he said, I know, just use it. I know

1535
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:46,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna use it, right, you know. So he went

1536
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:49,120
Speaker 1: to get like speakers because I told him, like record

1537
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:52,080
Speaker 1: the recordings because I was afraid to give him through

1538
01:34:52,120 --> 01:34:57,320
Speaker 1: my USB through my computer. Yeah. So yeah, it was

1539
01:34:57,479 --> 01:35:00,639
Speaker 1: like unbelievable. I thought I was in a movie again.

1540
01:35:02,120 --> 01:35:07,240
Speaker 1: And yeah, so pretty much that's the story. Like. He

1541
01:35:07,439 --> 01:35:14,200
Speaker 1: released the recordings the ten of October twenty seventeen, pretty much. Yeah,

1542
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:19,519
Speaker 1: And I remember that day like it was crazy. I

1543
01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:24,000
Speaker 1: was sitting at home and he started receiving tons of

1544
01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:29,559
Speaker 1: messages from people saying like, oh my god, Amber, Amber,

1545
01:35:29,640 --> 01:35:32,120
Speaker 1: I just heard is recording. Oh my god, I'm sorry,

1546
01:35:32,200 --> 01:35:34,200
Speaker 1: you were right, you were right, and this isn't that.

1547
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:43,920
Speaker 1: All the people just came back. It was so funny. Well,

1548
01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:48,600
Speaker 1: and it makes me think about how many women have

1549
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:51,840
Speaker 1: had their stories downplayed or been told that they don't

1550
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:55,599
Speaker 1: deserve to be believed because they haven't had recordings. Yeah,

1551
01:35:56,040 --> 01:35:59,720
Speaker 1: but these things have happened to them. I know. When

1552
01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:05,680
Speaker 1: we think about, you know this, Harvey Weinstein became the

1553
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:11,280
Speaker 1: example for how men in power often abuse women and

1554
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:15,720
Speaker 1: abuse people who they believe hold less power than them.

1555
01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:20,439
Speaker 1: When we think about his example holping to launch Me

1556
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:24,240
Speaker 1: Too and how it opened up channels to have these

1557
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:28,280
Speaker 1: conversations about men in power in so many industries and

1558
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:33,240
Speaker 1: what power does. When you look back at where Me

1559
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:38,000
Speaker 1: Too began and how far it's come, is there anything

1560
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:42,080
Speaker 1: that you wish was handled differently? Do you do you

1561
01:36:42,200 --> 01:36:45,160
Speaker 1: have thoughts about where we still need to go? Yeah?

1562
01:36:46,640 --> 01:36:52,960
Speaker 1: Like the first thought, of course, it's like I'm very selfless.

1563
01:36:54,120 --> 01:36:59,719
Speaker 1: I did everything because I thought of someone else, Okay,

1564
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:04,600
Speaker 1: And I just feel a little like sad when I

1565
01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:09,080
Speaker 1: think of the fact that I I really had to

1566
01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:12,280
Speaker 1: lose many years of my life to have these things

1567
01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:18,959
Speaker 1: and m placed. Let's say, and when instead in fifteen,

1568
01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:24,639
Speaker 1: knowing that, you know, I exposed myself, there was nobody

1569
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:27,479
Speaker 1: there for me, you know, because I was the first,

1570
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:33,400
Speaker 1: the first that went out that got punched and destroyed,

1571
01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:39,519
Speaker 1: and I was thinking like I wish someone would have

1572
01:37:39,680 --> 01:37:42,720
Speaker 1: just give me a little help, you know, get in

1573
01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:45,639
Speaker 1: touch with me some way, like to not have all

1574
01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:52,080
Speaker 1: that life you know gone. And then second I feel that, okay,

1575
01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:54,200
Speaker 1: we have the meet too out A lot of this

1576
01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:58,080
Speaker 1: situation are happening, and we know it right now. But

1577
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:03,800
Speaker 1: let's again think selflessly. Let's work to not have this

1578
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:08,519
Speaker 1: type of situation happen anymore, okay, for others, not for us,

1579
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:11,960
Speaker 1: for others. Let's try to dedicate all of this power

1580
01:38:12,120 --> 01:38:15,240
Speaker 1: that we have right now in our words to help

1581
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:19,720
Speaker 1: other people to change the law too. You know, like

1582
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:24,280
Speaker 1: right now I'm working with organization there are like first

1583
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:27,439
Speaker 1: of all for models with Model Alliance for example, So

1584
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:33,000
Speaker 1: we're working to help UM models rights to not be exploded.

1585
01:38:33,080 --> 01:38:35,519
Speaker 1: You know how it is in this world is very tricky.

1586
01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:39,679
Speaker 1: And also another organization in New York as well, called

1587
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:44,240
Speaker 1: Safe Horizon that is trying to change low about UM

1588
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:48,919
Speaker 1: removing the study of limitation for you know, abuse victims

1589
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:53,240
Speaker 1: that had not possibility to seek justice in the past

1590
01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:57,240
Speaker 1: to try to reopen in all their cases to civilarly

1591
01:38:57,400 --> 01:39:01,519
Speaker 1: sue their abuser. So right now we're trying to pass this,

1592
01:39:01,960 --> 01:39:03,880
Speaker 1: We're trying to really push that for the state of

1593
01:39:03,960 --> 01:39:06,559
Speaker 1: New York. I think in New Jersey already passed. I'm

1594
01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:08,960
Speaker 1: not sure, but like for New York, it's kind of

1595
01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:14,240
Speaker 1: like um complicated. Still, they passed the Child Survivors Act,

1596
01:39:14,439 --> 01:39:19,800
Speaker 1: so like abuse children's can reopen their case and and

1597
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:22,960
Speaker 1: they started like already in twenty nineteen. So now they're

1598
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:27,240
Speaker 1: trying to prolong to the timing um. But this is

1599
01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:32,920
Speaker 1: something that would be amazing for for the victims to feel,

1600
01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:37,639
Speaker 1: you know, there they can heal, but also to give

1601
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:42,120
Speaker 1: the right example to people they're still doing this type

1602
01:39:42,160 --> 01:39:46,680
Speaker 1: of things that nothing is gonna be hide anymore, you know,

1603
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:54,599
Speaker 1: so and people can't really heal without justice. It can't

1604
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:57,920
Speaker 1: just be on the victim to do the work and

1605
01:39:58,080 --> 01:40:01,479
Speaker 1: go to therapy and get over it. Justice has to

1606
01:40:01,600 --> 01:40:05,599
Speaker 1: happen so that abusers realized they can't continue abusing people.

1607
01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:10,679
Speaker 1: I feel that the moment that Harvey Waynstead got behind bars,

1608
01:40:11,439 --> 01:40:15,200
Speaker 1: so many people that even thought for a little min

1609
01:40:15,439 --> 01:40:19,439
Speaker 1: like micro second, they could get out, you know, with

1610
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:24,479
Speaker 1: whatever they're doing, they're not doing it because it's always coming,

1611
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:27,560
Speaker 1: even if it takes time, it's coming. Yes, What was

1612
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:30,200
Speaker 1: your reaction when you saw the verdict. You know, Harvey

1613
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:37,080
Speaker 1: is now a convicted rapist and and sexual predator. What

1614
01:40:37,439 --> 01:40:43,960
Speaker 1: what did that feel like? It? It was like freezing time.

1615
01:40:44,160 --> 01:40:47,560
Speaker 1: Like it was kind of like that's something that visualized

1616
01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:50,320
Speaker 1: for so much during the time that I was just

1617
01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:54,519
Speaker 1: trying to image like a better reality for me that

1618
01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:57,880
Speaker 1: like in that moment, I was like wow, you know,

1619
01:40:58,040 --> 01:41:01,479
Speaker 1: like I couldn't believe it, Like the moment that they

1620
01:41:01,560 --> 01:41:05,120
Speaker 1: convicted him, like it happened. So Friday, they had had

1621
01:41:05,160 --> 01:41:10,280
Speaker 1: the jury went um they had to like still um

1622
01:41:10,680 --> 01:41:13,320
Speaker 1: the side. Okay. So Friday, I was waiting all day

1623
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:17,120
Speaker 1: and then they didn't decide. So I spent the Saturday

1624
01:41:17,320 --> 01:41:23,720
Speaker 1: and the Sunday like just eating trash food and like

1625
01:41:24,200 --> 01:41:27,200
Speaker 1: doing like crazy things because I was so nervous, you know,

1626
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:31,560
Speaker 1: on waiting for Monday, okay. And I was waiting and

1627
01:41:31,640 --> 01:41:35,080
Speaker 1: waiting and waiting. So Monday comes and I'm like waking

1628
01:41:35,160 --> 01:41:38,840
Speaker 1: up early, getting ready and like going to the court

1629
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:42,519
Speaker 1: because I wanted to be there, you know. And and

1630
01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:45,360
Speaker 1: then like suddenly I was home almost on the way

1631
01:41:45,439 --> 01:41:51,799
Speaker 1: to the to the tribunal, and I got a message guilty.

1632
01:41:52,840 --> 01:41:57,920
Speaker 1: And when I saw that, I was, oh, oh, I

1633
01:41:58,080 --> 01:42:01,559
Speaker 1: was started screaming and starting. I was jumping all over

1634
01:42:01,680 --> 01:42:04,920
Speaker 1: my place. I was like, I just thought of all

1635
01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:08,600
Speaker 1: these other women, you know, that, like I had to

1636
01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:12,080
Speaker 1: go through the hands of this person, you know, and

1637
01:42:12,200 --> 01:42:14,799
Speaker 1: knowing that right now they have the justice they deserve,

1638
01:42:15,200 --> 01:42:17,960
Speaker 1: and not even just a small justice. Because I was

1639
01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:21,240
Speaker 1: thinking that the d A that was handling that case

1640
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:25,639
Speaker 1: and like my case that thrushed me away, was also

1641
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:30,560
Speaker 1: handling the same case. Okay. I didn't have hope on

1642
01:42:30,680 --> 01:42:32,920
Speaker 1: anything in New York. I was hoping for LA because

1643
01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:35,280
Speaker 1: I have to testify in l A and I will

1644
01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:39,960
Speaker 1: be um part of that. In l A. They didn't

1645
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:43,320
Speaker 1: call me New York. Okay, they didn't play my recordings,

1646
01:42:43,680 --> 01:42:46,639
Speaker 1: they didn't call me New York. Like, oh, it's obvious

1647
01:42:46,760 --> 01:42:49,160
Speaker 1: that the d A is trying to avoid me. Okay

1648
01:42:49,960 --> 01:42:52,640
Speaker 1: in New York. So I was like whatever, Like I

1649
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:55,519
Speaker 1: just want him to go to jail for the other women,

1650
01:42:55,640 --> 01:42:58,640
Speaker 1: Like they were great, They're like, you know, doing a

1651
01:42:58,720 --> 01:43:01,719
Speaker 1: lot of work, and I'm happy whatever it's gonna happen,

1652
01:43:01,840 --> 01:43:05,200
Speaker 1: Like I want him in jail. So like I was

1653
01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:08,680
Speaker 1: not believing it. I thought that New York would never

1654
01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:13,120
Speaker 1: give him twenty three years like, well, it's crazy. So

1655
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:17,400
Speaker 1: I was happy, I was celebrating, and I'm like, wow,

1656
01:43:18,120 --> 01:43:20,320
Speaker 1: I feel like I have nothing else to fight for,

1657
01:43:20,640 --> 01:43:23,720
Speaker 1: you know, like everything is good now. I just have

1658
01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:27,800
Speaker 1: to concentrate myself into my life rebuilding everything I lost,

1659
01:43:28,360 --> 01:43:30,960
Speaker 1: and thankfully I'm doing it right now with the help

1660
01:43:31,080 --> 01:43:34,920
Speaker 1: of many people that believe in me. And and yeah,

1661
01:43:34,920 --> 01:43:38,920
Speaker 1: I'm working on so many things. So yeah, that's so great.

1662
01:43:39,400 --> 01:43:45,040
Speaker 1: And it just reminds me that we can never give

1663
01:43:45,160 --> 01:43:48,880
Speaker 1: up because there were so many times when you were

1664
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:52,600
Speaker 1: told that this story wasn't going to get out and

1665
01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:54,920
Speaker 1: you didn't let it go, and Ronan didn't let it go,

1666
01:43:55,160 --> 01:43:57,120
Speaker 1: and so many of the women didn't let it go.

1667
01:43:57,479 --> 01:44:01,080
Speaker 1: And I just think that it's so incredibly important to

1668
01:44:01,240 --> 01:44:04,479
Speaker 1: remember that if you just keep telling the truth, it's

1669
01:44:04,520 --> 01:44:10,360
Speaker 1: going it's going to matter. Do you do you have

1670
01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:13,320
Speaker 1: a message for young men and young women right now

1671
01:44:14,560 --> 01:44:20,040
Speaker 1: about what you've learned, about why they should report the

1672
01:44:20,200 --> 01:44:25,280
Speaker 1: things that happened to them, about how to how to

1673
01:44:25,439 --> 01:44:29,560
Speaker 1: stay strong enough to to see it through. Yeah. I

1674
01:44:30,280 --> 01:44:34,640
Speaker 1: believe in karma a lot, and that moment that I

1675
01:44:34,760 --> 01:44:41,000
Speaker 1: heard that again really made me realize, Okay, it happened

1676
01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:43,679
Speaker 1: before and that was happening to me. But what if

1677
01:44:44,560 --> 01:44:49,439
Speaker 1: next time is my daughter or my cousin or my

1678
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:52,679
Speaker 1: sister or you know, someone else that would be close

1679
01:44:52,760 --> 01:44:55,840
Speaker 1: to me, that I will suffered. As I said, I

1680
01:44:56,040 --> 01:45:00,160
Speaker 1: was suicidal. Think of these people that would lose you know,

1681
01:45:00,360 --> 01:45:04,120
Speaker 1: like very very close people just because of like a

1682
01:45:04,200 --> 01:45:09,800
Speaker 1: traumatic situation that you didn't report. Just report things right now.

1683
01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:12,880
Speaker 1: The justice is on your side, the media is on

1684
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:17,400
Speaker 1: your side. You have the possibilities, you know, to be listening.

1685
01:45:17,880 --> 01:45:21,600
Speaker 1: Just do it, because like you are able now to

1686
01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:28,240
Speaker 1: be a hero and saving people's lives being selfless, and

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Speaker 1: do it then, you know. So that's the only thing

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01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:34,760
Speaker 1: because I really realized that my life would have no

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01:45:35,080 --> 01:45:39,080
Speaker 1: meaning if I didn't help other people. So that's like

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01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:42,040
Speaker 1: what makes me happy, and so I hope that other

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01:45:42,120 --> 01:45:49,240
Speaker 1: people would understand it as well. Yeah, and there's strengthened numbers. Yeah,

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01:45:51,439 --> 01:45:56,640
Speaker 1: so things are obviously looking up. There there's been a

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01:45:57,520 --> 01:46:01,040
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say a repair, but at least the beginning

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01:46:01,120 --> 01:46:05,520
Speaker 1: to rebalance some of the scales where justice is concerned.

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01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:14,360
Speaker 1: When you when you think about things getting better, getting

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01:46:14,439 --> 01:46:17,040
Speaker 1: back to work, where do you want to start? What

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01:46:17,200 --> 01:46:21,439
Speaker 1: are what are you working on now. Yeah, of course

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01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:24,400
Speaker 1: I'm still doing the modeling because I feel like I

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01:46:25,120 --> 01:46:28,280
Speaker 1: I love the way it makes me feel like being

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01:46:28,439 --> 01:46:32,080
Speaker 1: part of this artistic expression. I love everything about it,

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01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:35,360
Speaker 1: from the behind the scene to the makeup, to the

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01:46:35,680 --> 01:46:39,560
Speaker 1: designing of the clothes to becoming right really part of it.

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01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:43,040
Speaker 1: I love it. And of course, like I'm trying to

1704
01:46:43,160 --> 01:46:47,080
Speaker 1: gather every information about my life into a documentary and

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01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:50,639
Speaker 1: a dramatized serious and I'm working with this amazing team

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01:46:50,880 --> 01:46:54,879
Speaker 1: that it's from New York and and they're helping developing

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01:46:55,000 --> 01:46:59,400
Speaker 1: everything because I feel that also growing up in my life,

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01:46:59,680 --> 01:47:02,920
Speaker 1: I learned a lot from movies. I learned a lot

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01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:07,040
Speaker 1: from documentaries, you know, because like my family was really um,

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01:47:07,960 --> 01:47:11,320
Speaker 1: let's say, they didn't have so much time, you know,

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01:47:11,640 --> 01:47:16,599
Speaker 1: because of course there was problems of working a lot

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01:47:16,680 --> 01:47:18,439
Speaker 1: and this type of thing. So I learned a lot

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01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:21,839
Speaker 1: from movies. Like something that really inspired about the wiring

1714
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:28,000
Speaker 1: was this movie of um the Lady with the Dragon tattoo. Yeah,

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01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:31,920
Speaker 1: I felt like that movie that I saw when I

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01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:38,160
Speaker 1: was nineteen years old just had me saying like I

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01:47:38,280 --> 01:47:41,120
Speaker 1: would do that if I can, you know, like I

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01:47:41,240 --> 01:47:44,040
Speaker 1: want to punish someone like that so I don't know,

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01:47:44,200 --> 01:47:46,400
Speaker 1: like in my mind just got to that point, like

1720
01:47:46,600 --> 01:47:48,519
Speaker 1: I saw this movie, like I want to be here,

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01:47:48,640 --> 01:47:51,959
Speaker 1: you know, and I feel that this type of situation

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01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:54,280
Speaker 1: that I went through and I can talk back to,

1723
01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:58,960
Speaker 1: like really my childhood too, now can teach something to

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01:47:59,160 --> 01:48:03,240
Speaker 1: someone just to say, like you're not alone, and these

1725
01:48:03,280 --> 01:48:05,640
Speaker 1: are the mistakes that I've done, and these are the

1726
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:07,519
Speaker 1: things I could have done better, and these are the

1727
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:10,000
Speaker 1: things that I've done, and so I want to give

1728
01:48:10,040 --> 01:48:13,840
Speaker 1: you the instructions or whatever it happened, so that nothing

1729
01:48:13,920 --> 01:48:17,280
Speaker 1: like this is going to be repeated. So I'm doing this,

1730
01:48:17,720 --> 01:48:22,080
Speaker 1: and I hopefully can you know, have these shown into

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01:48:22,240 --> 01:48:28,200
Speaker 1: schools and wherever, like people really need to learn and like,

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01:48:28,680 --> 01:48:31,920
Speaker 1: you know, get the information that they need, you know,

1733
01:48:32,120 --> 01:48:35,360
Speaker 1: because like there's so much out there that even for

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01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:38,080
Speaker 1: me when I was funny too, I didn't know what

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01:48:38,240 --> 01:48:41,599
Speaker 1: to do. So I, yeah, I'm trying just to gather

1736
01:48:41,680 --> 01:48:45,400
Speaker 1: all of those information and and yeah, hopefully it's something

1737
01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:49,880
Speaker 1: that is gonna it's gonna happen then. Yeah, of course.

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01:48:49,960 --> 01:48:54,000
Speaker 1: Now in Quarantine, I'm painting a lot, so I hopefully

1739
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:56,679
Speaker 1: one day I'm going to be able to call myself

1740
01:48:56,800 --> 01:49:01,960
Speaker 1: a painter. That's something I would love to do. That's

1741
01:49:02,040 --> 01:49:08,280
Speaker 1: so cool. That's so cool. Well, my last question for you,

1742
01:49:08,520 --> 01:49:11,240
Speaker 1: and thank you so much for all of your time

1743
01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:17,439
Speaker 1: and your vulnerability and and for reminding people that there's

1744
01:49:17,479 --> 01:49:22,840
Speaker 1: always a very real human being involved in and the

1745
01:49:22,960 --> 01:49:26,680
Speaker 1: things we read about. Um but my last question for

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01:49:26,760 --> 01:49:30,240
Speaker 1: you is a podcast is called work in progress. And

1747
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:33,320
Speaker 1: I'm curious when you when you hear the phrase, what

1748
01:49:34,560 --> 01:49:37,160
Speaker 1: what comes to mind as a work in progress in

1749
01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:42,360
Speaker 1: your life right now? Well, I can say that I

1750
01:49:42,720 --> 01:49:49,200
Speaker 1: learned through experiences and I really jump into situation even

1751
01:49:49,280 --> 01:49:53,120
Speaker 1: if I'm not feeling ready, because like, deep inside, I'm

1752
01:49:53,120 --> 01:49:55,800
Speaker 1: still like a very insecure person, you know, Like I

1753
01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:59,200
Speaker 1: know that I need to learn so much and anything

1754
01:49:59,720 --> 01:50:03,400
Speaker 1: in you know, just do things, you know, just do it,

1755
01:50:03,720 --> 01:50:06,800
Speaker 1: don't think too much about it, Just do it. You know.

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01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:10,240
Speaker 1: That's like the most thing I could say about me

1757
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:14,960
Speaker 1: as a working progress, Like trying new things all the time.

1758
01:50:15,160 --> 01:50:18,040
Speaker 1: That's that's the thing, Like just keep working on yourself.

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01:50:18,840 --> 01:50:22,439
Speaker 1: And yeah, like that that's the thing for about me,

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01:50:22,640 --> 01:50:26,200
Speaker 1: Like even now, trying to develop something I've never done

1761
01:50:26,240 --> 01:50:29,439
Speaker 1: before just for the sake of helping someone else. I know,

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01:50:29,640 --> 01:50:33,519
Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't know where to start on anything,

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01:50:33,560 --> 01:50:37,040
Speaker 1: but I'm doing it, so just just do it. That's

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01:50:37,160 --> 01:50:41,920
Speaker 1: that's the Yeah, the thing I could say, mm hmm,

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01:50:43,120 --> 01:50:48,360
Speaker 1: just have faith and go yes, faith and go yeah.

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Speaker 1: That's very cool. Well, thank you just for everything, I mean,

1767
01:50:54,320 --> 01:50:58,240
Speaker 1: for not giving up and for never losing your moral compass,

1768
01:50:58,680 --> 01:51:03,080
Speaker 1: and for knowing that you had to talk about what

1769
01:51:03,200 --> 01:51:05,720
Speaker 1: happened to you so that hopefully it wouldn't happen to

1770
01:51:05,840 --> 01:51:13,040
Speaker 1: other women. It's it's such a crazy, such a crazy

1771
01:51:13,200 --> 01:51:15,600
Speaker 1: thing that we've dealt with for so long, and I

1772
01:51:15,760 --> 01:51:19,320
Speaker 1: really hope that shedding light on it it really does

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01:51:19,479 --> 01:51:22,639
Speaker 1: begin to make the change we all deserve. I hope

1774
01:51:22,680 --> 01:51:25,880
Speaker 1: so as well, like it's gonna happen. Like we're many

1775
01:51:25,960 --> 01:51:31,760
Speaker 1: people moving now to the right way, so let's keep

1776
01:51:32,400 --> 01:51:37,080
Speaker 1: doing it together. Yeah, for sure. Thank you so much

1777
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Speaker 1: for joining me to Sophia. Thank you very much for listening.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for This show is executive produced by Me,

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01:51:46,320 --> 01:51:50,880
Speaker 1: Sophia Bush, and sim Sarna. Our associate producer is Cate Linlee.

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Speaker 1: Our editor is Josh Wendish, and our music was written

1781
01:51:54,680 --> 01:51:57,840
Speaker 1: by Jack Garrett and produced by Mark Foster. This show

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Speaker 1: is brought to you by brilliant anatomy. The T