1 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to it could happen here. It's the show with 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: things fall apart and we put them back together again. 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: And there may may not be enormously about lawnmowers in 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: the background. Yeah, this is this is This is a 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: podcast also about abolishing lawns, although I guess I guess 6 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: not today it's only about abolishing lawns because I'm extume 7 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 1: we know it about neighbors. But we can we can 8 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: do an anti line episode in the near fu Yeah, 9 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: one day, one day, but but it is on on. 10 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: On a more serious note, is I have Garrison with me, 11 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: and I have Tanya with me, who is an abortion 12 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: clinic escort and has been doing this for a very 13 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: very long time. Tanya, thank you for joining us, Thank 14 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: you for having me. Yeah, I'm I'm really excited to 15 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: talk with you about this because, um, this is well, 16 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: this is something we've been wanting to do for a 17 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: while because I think not enough people know what this is. 18 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: So I guess I guess the first thing is is, yeah, 19 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: can you explain to people who are familiar with this 20 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: what clinic escorting is? Absolutely so. There are a number 21 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: of volunteer clinic escorts across the country, and many are 22 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: they're they're not necessarily organized nationwide, but many metro areas 23 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: do have organizations where you can volunteer to be a 24 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: clinic escort. And what that means is that you are 25 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: essentially someone who goes to a clinic that performs abortion services, 26 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: and you stand outside that clinic and you help the 27 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: patients get into the clinic, uh hopefully free of harassment 28 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: from protesters outside, and just ensure that protesters don't block 29 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: access to the clinic and that the patients are able 30 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: to get inside, you know, know where they're going and 31 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: get insanely Yeah, and that seems like it seems like 32 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: a really hard job in a couple of ways, but 33 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: both of the sense that like there's a bunch of 34 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: extremely angry and very weird people with really disturbing signs 35 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: and very sincerely held beliefs on in a different uh 36 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: side where they they do want to stop people from 37 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: going and convince them not to go in. Um, you know. 38 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: And it is interesting as as a clinic escort, you know, 39 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: you're you're really you don't have an opinion, Like I 40 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: don't have an opinion on whether someone goes in, someone 41 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: can go in, someone cannot go in. It's not you 42 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: know where the people who do the clinic escorting are 43 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: there because we believe that women and their partners should 44 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: have a choice about what to do. And so if 45 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: a woman chooses that she doesn't want to go into 46 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: the clinic, you know, that's fine by me. I'm just 47 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: there to ensure that she has the choice to go 48 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: into the clinic um and and get whatever services she needs, 49 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: whether it's uh, whether it's crenatal care or contraception or 50 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: abortion services. So um, it's it's fascinating because yeah, there 51 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: are a lot of people. You know, the protesters on 52 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: the other side can really run the gamuts. Some of them, um, 53 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: are very angry and have very interesting signs, but some 54 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: of them, you know, you they also range to those 55 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: who are just standing there saying the Rosary, walking up 56 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: and down, and the carrying crucifixes. And you know, if 57 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: it was just people saying the Rosary and then going 58 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: coming saying the Rosary and going, I probably wouldn't do 59 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: what I do because that's neither here nor there from me. 60 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: It's the people who are you know, they will try 61 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: to get in the window of a car when and 62 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: a car pulls up if if they happen to have 63 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: the windows down and uh, you know, get in the 64 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: like put their heads in the car to try to 65 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: talk to the people or hand them literature. Um. And 66 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: I've seen some of the literature that you know, people 67 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: have shared with us after it's been given to them, 68 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: you know, and it's a lot of it is full 69 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: of misinformation. Um and and kind of also you know, 70 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: as someone who was raised Catholic. Uh and and it's 71 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: coming from people many many of the people who are 72 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: protesting are Catholic. It's very emotionally manipulative and not actual 73 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: information on some of them. I remember seeing one once 74 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: around Christmas time that was like a whole cartoon about 75 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: how excited Mary was to be Jesus mom and uh 76 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: and and how therefore that means that you should not 77 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: have your pregnancy terminated because you should be more like 78 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: Mary and be excited to Jesus. Yeah. Yeah, pretty fascinated. Yeah. 79 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: And I guess that's another thing that that I was 80 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: wondering about to what extent, Like, so obviously there's a 81 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 1: physical component of this, right is okay, trying to make 82 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: sure that people aren't physically interfering, um. How much of 83 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 1: it also is sort of like providing emotional support to 84 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: the to the people you're with, sure, because it's really 85 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: stressful it can be. I mean, the clinic where I'm 86 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: an escort is is uh has a little bit of 87 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: a perimeter where uh there's there's a parking lot and 88 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: between the people where they can actually protest out on 89 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: the sidewalk which is public property obviously and the actual 90 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: entrance to the clinic. Um. But there are people who 91 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: come in off a public transport to and not necessarily 92 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: aren't necessarily coming in a car where they can get 93 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: sort of beyond where the protesters are um to the clinic. 94 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: And so I actually have a vivid memory. I've been 95 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: doing this for sixteen years, and I have a vivid 96 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: memory of a woman who came off the bus. She 97 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: got down off the bus at the bus stop like 98 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: and the protesters really got up in her face. And 99 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: one of them in particular was a guy who is 100 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: I'm not a small person, I'm about five ten and 101 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: and and pretty decent size, but he's definitely over six 102 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: ft tall and he was just like looming over her 103 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: and I had to physically insert myself in between her 104 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: and him and say, hey, you want to go to 105 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: the clinic, this is how you get there. You don't 106 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: have to listen to these people. If you want to 107 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: talk to them, you can, but you know you don't 108 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: have to, and you know, and and really, you know, 109 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: they're in such a fragile moment, most of them. Interestingly, 110 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: that that particular individual come to find out, wasn't even 111 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: coming for termination services. She was coming to get an ultrasound. 112 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: She was having twins, and it was the lowest cost 113 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: place that she could go to actually find an ultrasound 114 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: to make sure that her twins were okay, um and so. 115 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: And she even came out afterwards with the ultrasound and 116 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: like shoved it in the guy's face and was like, 117 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: you know, you know, go take a flying leap, but 118 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: um so, but yeah, I mean, part of it is 119 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: just showing that there are people who believe that you 120 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: have the right to make the choice you're making and 121 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: that we're not judging you. We're not here. You know. 122 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: I think a lot of women in the position of 123 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: who feel that the need to terminate a pregnancy, they 124 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: feel very judged. It's it's it's society is very judgments 125 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: Bault and I think you know, being there, we have 126 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: so many people who come up to us, UM just 127 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: say hey, thanks for being just thanks for being right. 128 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: It's it's just helpful to know that someone is here, uh, 129 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: and and and and believes that I have the right 130 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: to make this decision and that I'm the best person 131 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: to make this decision about me and my body and 132 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: my family. UM is really it's it makes it that much, 133 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: It makes it better. And and people will come up 134 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: and tell the most personal stories as well. We've had 135 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: someone who came up to me once and said, hey, no, 136 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: ten years ago, my wife was pregnant UM and we 137 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: had been trying for so long to have a baby, 138 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: and we found out that there was this massive, you know, 139 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: genetic defect that was not really compatible with life. And 140 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: we had we had we faced the tough decision about 141 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: do we go ahead and terminate this pregnancy and and 142 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: try to start again and how it and and and 143 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: get bring it again, or do we carry this to 144 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: term knowing that this child isn't going to live UM 145 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 1: for very long. And that individual um you know, and 146 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: his wife and decided to terminate the existing pregnancy, knowing 147 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 1: that the baby wasn't going to live. And he said, 148 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: and when we went to actually have the abortion, we 149 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,479 Speaker 1: had to run the gauntlet of all of those people outside, 150 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: all those people like this telling us how we were 151 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: killing our baby. Um, I wanted baby. You know that 152 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: we were killing our child and we were murderers and 153 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: all of that. And so he was just like, just 154 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: thank you for being here, thank you for being here 155 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: and showing because you don't know what what's going on 156 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 1: in the lives of all of these people who are 157 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: coming in here, and they don't know all what's going on. 158 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: And so and he said, I really wish we had 159 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: had someone like you know, you standing here to let 160 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: us know that it was okay, you know, at the 161 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: in that moment of time to do this. So, yeah, 162 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: it's it's interesting people will tell very very personal stories. 163 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: The next thing I was wondering is about how how 164 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: this has changed over time. I mean, yeah, you've you've 165 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 1: been in this for like longer than I've been, like 166 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: very seriously a conscious person. So yeah, So so I'm 167 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: wondering what has it been like, how how has this 168 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: changed over the past sort of like a decade and 169 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: a half, And has there been a change like very 170 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: very recently, as in in in the sort of like 171 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: as as row looks like it's dying, and what do 172 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: you think that's going to mean going forward for this? Yeah, 173 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 1: so yes, it has changed over time. Um, and and 174 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,719 Speaker 1: yes it has changed very recently as well. Um what 175 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: I what I can say. You know, when I first 176 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: started doing this, it was really just kind of you know, 177 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: the same hand and and it still is the same 178 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: handful of usual suspects who show up at least at 179 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: the clinic I escort at um. But it was really 180 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: it was it was a small handful and uh, it 181 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 1: was the same people every week, week week, week after 182 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: week after week. And um, you know on the clinic 183 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: sport side, you know, we're volunteers, so you know, we 184 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: need people to come and be sort of energized, and 185 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: so you know, we have a cadre of people who 186 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: have been doing it. Yes, I've been doing it for 187 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: sixteen years, but there's a woman that I I askeport with. 188 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: There are several women that I a skeport with who've 189 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: been doing it decades longer than I, right, And yeah, 190 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: I mean really amazing, really amazing women and who probably 191 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: have even more interesting stories than I do. But you know, 192 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: in the you know, and we would see after after 193 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: something happened, like when m George Tiller was murdered, we 194 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: had an influx of volunteers who came people who were 195 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: angry and said, you know, I was so upset and 196 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: I realized I needed to do something about it. UM. 197 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: So periodically there have been you know, obviously, you know, 198 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: the murder of George Schiller was a tragedy, but we've 199 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 1: had things like that that have energized people and brought 200 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: them in two actually doing a clinic escorting UM and 201 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: there's been a little bit of a pickup recently in 202 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: the number of escorts, but it's nothing like the pickup 203 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: that I think I've seen in terms of antis and 204 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: to custerers. And it's you know, and it's important because 205 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: you know, if you really believe that people should have 206 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: the right to bodily autonomy and the right to make 207 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: this choice UM, that that requires people to actually make 208 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: it happen for them, and there are a lot of 209 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: people trying to make it not happen. And I actually 210 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: I was actually sporting UM because the clinic esports. Uh 211 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: they you know, we actually change off we have a schedule. 212 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: We don't all go every week at least with the 213 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: clinic where I am, because you know, we also want 214 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: to have our own lives and not just be standing 215 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: at this clinic every every weekend. Um. But I was 216 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: esporting the weekend after Ruth bader Ginsburg died and I 217 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: was standing by myself kind of it went end well, 218 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: another person went and just I think picked up a 219 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: sign or took a bathroom right or something, and one 220 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: of the newer anties um stood across from me and 221 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: yelled at me that Ruth bader Ginsburg was was burning 222 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: in hell now and that if I didn't repent, you know, 223 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 1: that the same thing would happen to me, and that 224 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: that's just God's plan that you know, people who believe 225 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: in in killing babies, uh, just are going to rotten 226 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: hell for eternity. And and so that was an interesting 227 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: you know, and it was the first time. Most of 228 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: the time they don't really try to engage us in conversation, 229 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: but it was the first time someone was really just 230 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: saying super super like sort of inflammatory stuff to me 231 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: as an personally, as an escort. We certainly had heard, 232 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: you know, they'll they'll say things to patients where they say, 233 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: you know, I don't go in there, it's not safe, 234 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: you're good mom to your baby, and that kind of stuff, 235 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: which is a so you know, obviously incredibly originality to 236 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: women going through uh, you know what they're going through 237 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: when they feel that they have no better choice than 238 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: determinate pregnancy. UM. But uh, yeah, the actual sort of 239 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: the vitriol towards towards the escorts is a little is 240 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: increasing UM and I would say around the time Ruth 241 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: Bader Ginsburg died, we also have seen an enormous uptick 242 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: in the number of protesters outside the clinic um each 243 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: each week, as well as the length of time that 244 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: they will stay. UM. They they've actually about doubled the 245 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: length of time but they should stay UM. And so 246 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's been a challenge. It's been a 247 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: challenge for us on the escorting side to actually cover 248 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: the ships because you know, we are again we're all 249 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: volunteers who have lives and want to live our lives. 250 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: You know, we're women who are mothers, grandmothers, men who 251 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: are you know, father's, grandfathers, who just you know, want 252 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: want to do something good and help out Um. And 253 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: you know, more and more at the time, we were 254 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: having to stay later, come earlier, stay later to ensure 255 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: that there's someone there, that there's a there's there's a 256 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: friendly or at least protective presence. Uh. For the women 257 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: coming into the have they gotten like, have they gotten 258 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: more violent? Um? You know, like I said, there's actually 259 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: so for us. It's where we are in kind of 260 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: the clinic where I work, are in kind of a 261 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: privileged position, so to speak. And that where they are stationed, 262 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: you know, out on the sidewalk is uh is far 263 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: enough away. Um, you know, across a parking lot from 264 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: from the clinic that you know that the physical altered 265 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: you know, interactions are are relatively rare. Um. I'm sure 266 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: you know that that wouldn't really be better A question 267 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: better place to a clinic escort who's on a clinic 268 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: at a clinic where you know, the entrance to the 269 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: clinic is right on a public sidewalk, right where I 270 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: think you know, they definitely do have significantly more physical interactions. UM. 271 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: I guess it's hard to say. It depends on how 272 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: you define that. Is it there from a long time 273 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: the one of the signs outside the clinic was a 274 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: photo of of the doctor who provided the termination services. UM, 275 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: a photo of him and his name, and it said 276 00:17:53,359 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: retire this person you know his name and the retire 277 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 1: abortionist and then his name. UM. And that that showed up, 278 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: I think, as I vaguely recall around the time George 279 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 1: Schiller was was murdered. UM, So what does that mean? Right? 280 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: So that's that's violent in and of itself. It's it's 281 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: a suggestion there of UM. You know, I won't pretend 282 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: that it's not you know, it doesn't sometimes go through 283 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: my head like you know, because there are clinic esports 284 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 1: who have been murdered. Um. And and so it doesn't. 285 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: It sometimes does go through my head, especially like you know, 286 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: certain times of year when we're bundled up and it's 287 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: called Um, you know, someone could come up behind me 288 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: and I you know, wouldn't necessarily always hear them or 289 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: see them. Um. And so it is. It's you know, 290 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: there's definitely always an undercurrent in a feeling of you know, 291 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: something would escalate. We're fortunate at my clinic that it 292 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: it hasn't too much recently, but we you know, I 293 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: would say, you know, again, as Rose dying you know, 294 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,719 Speaker 1: they're getting more bold. Um. They're not supposed to trespass, 295 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 1: they're not supposed to come on into the parking lot. Um. 296 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: And yet there are some who are really trying to 297 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: test that boundary now, who will go to their car 298 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: not in the clinic parking lot, and then as they leave, 299 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: drive into the parking lot and around the by the clinic, 300 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: just to sort of um, intimidate people and and and 301 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: to can make the escorts concerned because obviously, you know, 302 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: when we're on foot, it's very hard to get physically 303 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: between them and something when they're when they're driving, um. 304 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 1: And so yeah, it's it's there's definitely an escalation in 305 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: that front, and and an escalation in in the rhetoric. Um. 306 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: You know, there are more, I would say, kind of 307 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: pointed signs, uh that that are used to try to 308 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 1: intimidate the women into not going into the clinic. There 309 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: was actually there's a sign that had been used for 310 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: it actually has been used for a little bit longer, 311 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: but it basically it had the names of two women who, 312 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: according to the antis uh had died under the care 313 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: of the services of the doctor at our clinic, which 314 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: in the end, when I actually did my own research. 315 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: Wasn't true. One one just very unfortunately had an allergic 316 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: reaction to the anesthetic, which is not something you know 317 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 1: unless you've been under anesthesia, and uh the other and 318 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: and it wasn't and neither of them was actually the 319 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: provider at at our clinic who was performing the service 320 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: at the time. Uh, those those individuals died, but it said, 321 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: you know, dead, and it had these two women's names, 322 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: um and a hundred and fifty thousand babies and um, 323 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: which is a little bit inflammatory. And then it's and 324 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: also misleading when you think about it, because you know, 325 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: the maternal mortality rate in the United States is like 326 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: over twenty three women per hundred thousands. So I was like, well, 327 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: even if this is accurate, even if this sign was accurate, 328 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: which it's not. You know, two women out of a 329 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand, that's way safer than actually for 330 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: pregnancy UM. And you know, so it's those kinds of things. 331 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: It's it's the mind games. And you know, as someone 332 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: who uh you know has seen this for while, like 333 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: you know, to me, the mind game is part of 334 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: the violence, even though it's not physical, it's it's really 335 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: you know, trying to to make people feel ashamed and 336 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: feel that they shouldn't come out. And I think that 337 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: you know, as as we're looking at Robe possibly being overturned, 338 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: you know, you're suddenly seeing all of these people coming 339 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 1: out of the woodwork. Because you know, so many women 340 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: in this country actually do abort a pregnancy at some 341 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 1: point in time, do terminate a pregnancy, and yet it's 342 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: not something anyone talks about because it's it's still because 343 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: of the dialogue in this country and because of the 344 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: way it is portrayed. It is something that most people, 345 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to be public about, not 346 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: just because of the politics of it, but because you know, 347 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: there are people who are made to feel ashamed and 348 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: as opposed to you know this, This was the right 349 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 1: choice for me at this point in time. Um. And 350 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: maybe under different circumstances it might have been a different choice. UM. 351 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: But yeah. So I think it's hard to say whether 352 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: violence has increased, um, because it's always had that undercurrent. 353 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: I mean ever since I've been starting, ever since I 354 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: started doing One of the things that we've talked to 355 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: a few other people, we talked to someone who was 356 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: doing security for the start of security plans for clinics, 357 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: And one of the things they were talking about was 358 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: like a shift in the kinds of people who were 359 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 1: getting involved in these clinics. And I'm wondering, in these 360 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: clinic protests, like I wonder, have have you have you 361 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: seen like I don't know, they were talking about, like 362 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: there's been some specifically fascist groups getting involved, And I 363 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: was wondering if like the kinds of people who've you've 364 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: seen have been like that, or like, you know, in 365 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: terms of the new people who are getting involved, are 366 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: they closer to like the kinds of people you usually 367 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: see see outside these clinics. So that's actually an interesting 368 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: point that I hadn't I hadn't thought too much about. 369 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 1: But I think you know, the previously, you know, when 370 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: I first started doing this, it tended to be kind 371 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: of your older Catholic uh, folks who are you know, 372 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: coming and saying the Rosary, you know, uh, standing there 373 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: with the statue of the Blessed Virgin Mary like in 374 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: front of the clinic and um, and and you know, 375 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: some could be pushy, UM. But I think it is 376 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: accurate to say there is actually a younger element of 377 00:24:55,359 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: anti abortion protester or anti choice really because the end 378 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: it's really about the choice, not and and so I think, yes, 379 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: I'm seeing younger and younger people. And it's interesting that 380 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: you mentioned that because a lot of them are men. Uh, 381 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: they're young, almost almost entirely white. There is a few 382 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: a handful of people of color, but um, they they 383 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: tend to come very very rarely. Um. And you know, 384 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: the it's interesting, So it was largely older white men 385 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: and women previously, and now I would say there are 386 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: many more younger men getting involved, a few women. But 387 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 1: when for most of the young and when I say young, 388 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: I would say, you know, well, well for the for 389 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: the clinic i'm at, I would say anyone under probably 390 00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 1: the age of forty. But you also, um, you know, 391 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: really when when you know, even under the age of 392 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: thirty or five, it's with the exception of one, it's 393 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: meant it is it is white men. Um. And uh, yeah, 394 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: so that's that's interesting. I hadn't It's quite possible. Um, 395 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: certainly there are some that but you know, we as 396 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 1: clinic escorts are not actually engaging these individuals and conversation. 397 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: That's not something that you know. In fact, we have 398 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: to sign pledges that were, you know, at least for 399 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: the for the organization that we volunteer with, that we're 400 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 1: not going to engage in conversation with them. That we're not, 401 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: you know, because no one you know, and I guess 402 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: this is sort of the whole point of your podcast. 403 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: No one's going to change each other's minds on this issue, right, um, 404 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: and you know over over the parking lot, uh and 405 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: and one uh, you know sort of interaction. So we 406 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: actually we we don't and actively don't because we we 407 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: just you know, it's it's not worth it. We're there. 408 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: The point of being there is not to try to 409 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: get to know the other people, the the anti choice demonstrators. 410 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: It's not to try to you know, change their minds. 411 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: It's just to ensure that the women who have made 412 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: their decision are able to freely access the healthcare services 413 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: that they have made the decision access. Yeah, that makes 414 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: a lot of sense. That that's definitely seems like the like, 415 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 1: it definitely seems like the best strategy for this. It 416 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 1: seems like something that like other people could learn from 417 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: as like a tactic to deal with this kind of stuff, 418 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 1: because yeah, and engaging with those people, it doesn't I 419 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: have limited experience with this, but they showed up to 420 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: my well, okay, show to my high school. But then 421 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,239 Speaker 1: they also show up to my college, and we just 422 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: like they were trying to like get in use footage, 423 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 1: and so we wound up just like sitting down in 424 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: front of the like just sitting down in front of 425 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 1: their signs so people couldn't see them, and then just 426 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: like refusing to talk to them, And that I think 427 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: worked a lot better than like, I don't know a 428 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: lot of the other stuff that I've seen, because yeah, 429 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: like definitely right, like yeah, like you're not gonna those people, 430 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: like yeah, like because there's no way you're gonna change 431 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: the mind of like someone if holding a sign there. 432 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: And I guess that's also another thing that that that 433 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: it's interesting about this, which is yeah, like it's like 434 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 1: your your emphasis on it's not about the audiological debate 435 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: as much as it is, like, it's not about like 436 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: you going to confront these people. It's about making sure 437 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: that the people who need the services are safe and 438 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: are able to do it. And that that seems like 439 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: a very powerful way to sort of like bypass this, 440 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: Like I don't know, bypass is weird. Like discourse circuit 441 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: that everyone gets in. Yeah, I mean I think you 442 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: know what I what I can tell you. I mean, listen, 443 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: I would love to sleep in on my Saturday mornings. 444 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like to to get up and 445 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: give up, you know, you know two to four hours 446 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: of my Saturday um, you know, in the freezing rain 447 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: or the you know wind and cold, run a really 448 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: hot some more day and get up out of bed 449 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: to do that. But you know, on those you know, 450 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: there are cold winter mornings where I'm like, oh gosh, 451 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: it's it's early. I'm that that alarms awfully early and 452 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: it's really cold outside. But I always just in my mind, 453 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: the thing that I tell myself is you never know 454 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: who's coming in today, who just needs to see you 455 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: and just needs to see someone there too. You know, 456 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: whether it's to give her the directions because she's so 457 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: distraught after having to drive or walk by a number 458 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: of protesters telling her how she's you know, going to 459 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: regret her decision and how she's a terrible human being 460 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: and she's a killer, and she's at this, she's a slut, 461 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: she's a whole lady. Whatever, you know, whatever the message 462 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: that someone in that um situation gets by walking past 463 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: those protesters. Um, you know, I never know who needs 464 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: to just see me there, and whether it's that she 465 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: just needs directions because she's so distraught after going through, 466 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: you know, running that gauntlet, that she's kind of lost 467 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: her bearings and she's like, Okay, which door do I 468 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: need to go in? How do I do this? Or 469 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: actually just needs to see you know, a friendly face, 470 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: or you know, have someone tell her that it's okay 471 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: to not listen to what they have to say to her, um, 472 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: and it's okay to not internalize that, which you know, UM, 473 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: I think it is probably very very hard when you're 474 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: already in a somewhat emotionally frauds because how could how 475 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: could people who want to start escorting what what would 476 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,479 Speaker 1: be the best way that they could go about doing that? 477 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: Or learning more information about how to do it and 478 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: the different places that that allow it and well not 479 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: not allowed, like the different places where different groups that 480 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: help facilitate uh this type of work. Yeah, So I 481 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: mean I think there there isn't necessarily that I'm aware 482 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: of one sort of national site, but I think um, 483 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: a lot of individual uh sort of local providers have 484 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: clinic escorts. UM. I know that if you most like most, 485 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: if not many planned parent goods will have um, you know, 486 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: a clinic escort program. And so I think you know, 487 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: sometimes your best that maybe just to google you know, 488 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: clinic escort in my area or contact a provider in 489 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: your area to say, hey, how do I get involved? UM? 490 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: Because you know, based in my area where I where 491 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: I live, there is one that sort of covers the area, 492 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: but it is by no means nationwide, and there definitely 493 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: are sort of localized groups that do it. So I 494 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: think it may be just a matter of reaching you know, 495 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: googling the clinic esports or reaching out to your local 496 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: planparenthood or if there's another abortion provider in your community 497 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: that isn't plan parent, because there are still many that 498 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: are not unparented, uh that you know they may know. 499 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: And I guess my other thing is so for people 500 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: who for whatever reason can't to escorting but want to 501 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: help support. I mean it basically people who want to 502 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: support the providers and the people who need these services. 503 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: UM is like, yeah, what would you recommend that they do? 504 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: So there are also similarly to to those those groups, 505 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: there's UM, there's abortion funds throughout the country UM that 506 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: whether you know, many of them are you know, sort 507 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: of dedicated to individual areas, like local areas. But you 508 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: can look up the abortion fund in your area and 509 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: that is a you know, an organization that will actually 510 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: take donations from from individuals who want to help UM 511 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: and provide, you know, provide financial support to women who 512 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: are seeking abortion, whether they it's because they have to 513 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: travel out of state, uh or to somewhere even within 514 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: their state but not where they live in order to 515 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: to actually obtain an abortion. UM. And you know, because 516 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: many women who are are seeking seeking termination services, they 517 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: can't always pay for them, you know, especially if they're 518 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: publicly ensured, you know, a lot of public insurance, you know, 519 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 1: federal dollars cannot be spent on abortion services, and so 520 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: they can also help pay for the abortion for those individuals. 521 00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: If you it's it's a little bit um tougher out 522 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: that we're in, you know, sort of in the midst 523 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: of a coronavirus pandemic. There are some organizations that also 524 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,839 Speaker 1: if you live in an area that where there are 525 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: providers and there are people potentially traveling from out of state, 526 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: especially if you're in an area where there is a 527 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: provider who provides um, you know what they call, you know, 528 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: later term services for people who you know, find out 529 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: that there's a major genetic abnormality along far into the 530 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: pregnancy or whatever, and they need to terminate their pregnancy. UM, 531 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: you know, there are organizations that will actually help you 532 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: volunteer to house them or provide even transportation services to 533 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 1: and from appointments if if you so choose. UM. But 534 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 1: then you know, there's also all of the sort of 535 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,320 Speaker 1: national if if you're looking to kind of get more 536 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: you know, involved at the sort of overarching national legal level. UM. 537 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 1: Certainly there are a number of organizations, whether it's you know, 538 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: the Planned Parenthood Federation or nay Ral or any of 539 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: those organizations that you could certainly don't eat too as well. Yeah, 540 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 1: we will, we will will put some of the links 541 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: in in theset description. And I'm sure that there are 542 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: many things I forgot, but those are the ones that 543 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: jump to mind right now. People listening to this, please 544 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 1: like go help in whatever way you can, because like, 545 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: if like if abortion services continue to be a thing 546 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:35,479 Speaker 1: where them existing is a small number of volunteers, they're 547 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: not going to so yeah, please please do that. Yeah, Tanya, Tanya, 548 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you so much for joining us, Thank 549 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: you for having me. 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