Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Are you Ready's about to hit the fan?
Speaker 2: Welcome to Unsanctioned Thursdays ho Wrestling with Friday.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to a brand new episode of
Speaker 1: Unsanctioned Thursdays. Here, I'm Freddie Prince Junior. With me, as
Speaker 1: always is my great co host, mister Jeff Die. And
Speaker 1: we are talking a w's all out held in Chicago,
Speaker 1: Illinois and the explosion and aftermath of Cmpunk's employment with
Speaker 1: ae W. And I think we should start with that
Speaker 1: because pretty important. What can I say here? Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: friends with some of the people that he's had an
Speaker 1: issue with first and foremost, so I should get that
Speaker 1: out of the way. So everyone goes, oh, pretty's biased. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm biased, But I will say this, when you keep
Speaker 1: doing the same thing over and over and you keep
Speaker 1: blaming everyone else and it's the world's fault, right like that,
Speaker 1: Alesia Karasong, And you don't have to change a thing.
Speaker 1: The world could change. It's hard. The world ain't gonna
Speaker 1: change for you or for nobody, and the world don't
Speaker 1: know you. Shit, it's your responsibility as a human being
Speaker 1: to find out your place in this world and make
Speaker 1: the absolute most of it. But the world doesn't owe
Speaker 1: you a damn thing, And a lot of people end
Speaker 1: up in a similar situation every single time because they
Speaker 1: keep behaving a certain way that turns people off. It's
Speaker 1: really hard to piss people off. It's really easy to
Speaker 1: make them feel good. And at a certain point, I
Speaker 1: think you have to turn that finger towards yourself and say, Okay,
Speaker 1: what is it about me? What am I doing wrong?
Speaker 1: Or you have to have someone a therapist, a wife,
Speaker 1: a best friend who calls you on your shit, who says, yo, man,
Speaker 1: this is the third time, the third time, the third time,
Speaker 1: how many more before you figure out that this might
Speaker 1: might be more of a you problem and less of
Speaker 1: a them problem. I know there's going to be a
Speaker 1: lot of our listeners who disagree with me. You know,
Speaker 1: I respect where you're coming from. I get it. You
Speaker 1: love him and a lot of the young people you
Speaker 1: might think are soft, and maybe you think he's tough.
Speaker 1: I get it. I'm not trying to say you're wrong.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to let you know where I'm coming
Speaker 1: from based off my experience with him, Like he wasn't
Speaker 1: a nice guy to me, and it would have been
Speaker 1: easy to be nice to me, and instead he would
Speaker 1: just blow me off every time I walked by when
Speaker 1: I worked there, and so I and I was never
Speaker 1: going to work with him because he didn't need my help.
Speaker 1: So I was always like, why are you being Why
Speaker 1: are you going out of your way to be a
Speaker 1: dick to me? If you and I are never going
Speaker 1: to work together ever ever, So this is a weird thing. Man.
Speaker 1: I felt really bad for Tony Kahan. I don't think
Speaker 1: he should have made the statement that he made because
Speaker 1: he's not a good public speaker at all, and it
Speaker 1: gives Punk an opportunity to like shit all over him
Speaker 1: in his first interview outside of the business or outside
Speaker 1: of this firing. I wish he wouldn't have done that.
Speaker 1: The letter was enough, but this is a goddamn shame.
Speaker 1: And when ego and pride are dictating the decisions you make,
Speaker 1: you can accomplish great things, but you're more than likely,
Speaker 1: even with your success, going to implode and get destroyed
Speaker 1: at some point because the foundation that you've built your
Speaker 1: success on is so fucking shaky, because there's no one
Speaker 1: that has your back because you've done too much wrong
Speaker 1: on the way up in this case, at AEW he
Speaker 1: started on top. He started on top, so he should
Speaker 1: have been keyed in to this from day one. I
Speaker 1: have to be the nicest I've ever been. I'll be
Speaker 1: real with you guys. When I came back to acting,
Speaker 1: I made a conscious decision I'm gonna do it different
Speaker 1: this time. If somebody's screwing up, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: get on their case, I'm going to help them. I'm
Speaker 1: going to help them with positivity. I didn't always used
Speaker 1: to do that. I used to be like, look, i'm
Speaker 1: a professional, you need to be a professional too. What
Speaker 1: the hell's going on? Man? Learn your fucking dialogue. Now.
Speaker 1: You don't earn your stuff in the makeup trailer. You
Speaker 1: learn it at home. That's when you do. You don't
Speaker 1: come to set with sides. That's bullshit. And so many
Speaker 1: actors would. And as I got older and this second
Speaker 1: time around, I was like, you know what, dude, you
Speaker 1: need to focus on self and you need to focus
Speaker 1: on affecting everyone else in a positive way. And I
Speaker 1: went and did this Netflix movie with that soul motivation
Speaker 1: in mind behind everything I did on set, and it
Speaker 1: was the best that I'd ever been received, and it
Speaker 1: was one of the most successful movies I've ever done,
Speaker 1: and I've made movies that made three quarters of a
Speaker 1: billion dollars. Netflix gave us big love for that. I
Speaker 1: did an independent film after that with the same philosophy.
Speaker 1: I'm going to make everyone on this set. I'm going
Speaker 1: to know every single crew member's name. I'm going to
Speaker 1: give every actor every ounce of help they need, whether
Speaker 1: it's in the makeup trailer in the moment, I don't
Speaker 1: care if they learn their shit or not. I'm going
Speaker 1: to be patient and tolerant with young people. All these things.
Speaker 1: These were huge motivations for me to be different this
Speaker 1: time around. And the success that I had and the
Speaker 1: experience that I had was the complete opposite of the
Speaker 1: experience that I used to have, which made me leave
Speaker 1: the business. To be honest with you or one of
Speaker 1: the contributing factors, So this guy eventually either needs to
Speaker 1: figure this out or that's a goddamn rap. And I
Speaker 1: hate to sound cold and brutal like that, but I've
Speaker 1: talked about the federation that I want to start here,
Speaker 1: and I've spoken to professional wrestlers and said, hey, man,
Speaker 1: would you be down to help me out if I'm
Speaker 1: doing this, I'm not joking. Every single wrestler that I
Speaker 1: reached out to, but one said anything you need, I
Speaker 1: would love to help you. Just don't hire Phil. And
Speaker 1: this is over ten. It's over ten, okay, And only
Speaker 1: one didn't say anything, and I don't know how they
Speaker 1: feel about the guy, But everybody else is like, don't
Speaker 1: hire Punk, Please, don't hire Punk. Dude, I'll help you out.
Speaker 1: But if you hire Punk, I'm out, like it was everybody,
Speaker 1: and that has to be a mirror that causes you
Speaker 1: to go, yeah, dude, it's time to change. At least
Speaker 1: that's what I think. And again, if you disagree with
Speaker 1: me out there, I got nothing but love for you.
Speaker 1: I may not agree with your tim but I respect it.
Speaker 1: I know everybody loves him and he's one of the
Speaker 1: best to ever do this wrestling thing ever in aspect,
Speaker 1: No go ahead, I.
Speaker 2: Don't think he's the best to ever do this. We
Speaker 2: have an authority problem, right, That's what's happening here. Say
Speaker 2: what you want about Vince McMahon. You could call him
Speaker 2: a tyrant, you could call him a dictator of wrestling.
Speaker 2: You could call him a mean boss or a bad guy.
Speaker 2: At least people respect him in a way that they
Speaker 2: fear him. See him Punk when he crossed Vince McMahon,
Speaker 2: Vince said, that's it. I'm daddy, and you don't work
Speaker 2: here anymore, whereas Tony Kahan refuses to put his to
Speaker 2: have any order or have any respect and fear in
Speaker 2: that locker room. So these guys are just running around
Speaker 2: doing what they want. They're fist fighting, they're they're causing
Speaker 2: like little groups, they're keeping some people out of the
Speaker 2: locker room, keeping its very clicky. If you can't allow that,
Speaker 2: you've got to say, hey, you know, we're running a
Speaker 2: thing here. You know, there's gotta be some rules. You
Speaker 2: can't just punch a guy in the face or choke
Speaker 2: a guy out or whatever the hell happened. Nobody seems
Speaker 2: to have anything, you know, figure out what actually happened,
Speaker 2: and they go, oh, okay, you're not here anymore. And then
Speaker 2: he just comes back months later and he's like headlining
Speaker 2: like a thing. And Tony Kahn saying that he fired
Speaker 2: him was because he knew see him Punk quit, So
Speaker 2: it just made him look like, oh, I fired him,
Speaker 2: like he didn't fire him. In fact, if he came
Speaker 2: in had a little meeting with you next week, you
Speaker 2: would you wouldn't wait a second to have him right
Speaker 2: back on the car, really.
Speaker 1: You think so? Do you think he would bring him
Speaker 1: back again? Wow, it's a money thing. Maybe I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's a money thing. Well, and all Collision dies then yeah,
Speaker 1: because that was punk show. If Collision starts dying in
Speaker 1: the ratings, then wow, what if you're right due? That
Speaker 1: would be insane.
Speaker 2: Well and also Tony Kahan, you know, I know I
Speaker 2: sound like I'm being hard on Tony Kahn, but he's me.
Speaker 2: He's just a big wrestling fan. He loves wrestling, so
Speaker 2: it's like it's hard for him to boss around these
Speaker 2: guys that are older than him. They're they're way super
Speaker 2: more respected in the wrestling world than him. Like it'd
Speaker 2: be like if you let me run Major League Baseball,
Speaker 2: Like I'm just such a big fan that one of
Speaker 2: the players would be like, shut up, man, pay me
Speaker 2: triple and I'd be like, Okay, I mean, I think
Speaker 2: that's how Tony runs it. But he's he's a wrestling
Speaker 2: fan who has a whole federation and deep pockets. So
Speaker 2: I think I don't like what happened but I think
Speaker 2: that because nobody's ever enforced punk, nobody's ever told him like, hey,
Speaker 2: knock this crap off, like you can't behave like this.
Speaker 2: Your attitude sucks. If you're not gonna play nice, you
Speaker 2: don't get to play. But he's just always gotten to
Speaker 2: do what he always wanted. I heard rumors they might
Speaker 2: be going to MMA again. I don't know why you
Speaker 2: would do that.
Speaker 1: That would be hysterical unless he's wanted to get his
Speaker 1: ass whipped again. Like they gave you two bums, bro,
Speaker 1: you couldn't get by either bum and didn't even show out,
Speaker 1: Like didn't even land a punch in the first one,
Speaker 1: not even a punch. And you're not just got it.
Speaker 1: You're getting older, not getting younger. You know, it's not well,
Speaker 1: it's like the wrestlers that I know said that was
Speaker 1: the main issue is that he can't work the way
Speaker 1: he used to, and these young guys can do all
Speaker 1: this crazy shit and he can't. And you saw him
Speaker 1: even try to do some of these things like Hangman,
Speaker 1: pages Buckshot lariat and he kind of fucked that up,
Speaker 1: couldn't stick the landing, his knees gave out on him
Speaker 1: like that kind of stuff is a lot of the
Speaker 1: wrestlers that I was talking. He said, that's why he
Speaker 1: he was the way he was, And my thing was,
Speaker 1: like he was like that when I know him. His
Speaker 1: back was hurting all the time. And I get being
Speaker 1: grumpy when you're in pain, but you gotta treat people
Speaker 1: with dignity, not respect. Okay, respect is earned. I get
Speaker 1: that respect is earned, but every human that you interact
Speaker 1: with should be given the opportunity to earn your respect,
Speaker 1: and dignity should be a given. And when you can't
Speaker 1: provide either one of those things, it's a you issue.
Speaker 1: It's not millennials driving you crazy. It's not all young people.
Speaker 1: Don't get it. They said the same shit about my generation,
Speaker 1: all you young people, so don't worry about it. It's
Speaker 1: just old people freaking out. They you don't have to
Speaker 1: work as hard as they did because they made the
Speaker 1: world easier for you, and now are punishing you for
Speaker 1: making it easier, like they were the ones that did
Speaker 1: all that work. And then they see you and they
Speaker 1: just want to punish you. And it's I've seen it
Speaker 1: happen so many times, and all these young people are
Speaker 1: sitting there like, what fuck you man, No, and if
Speaker 1: you gotta at a certain point look in the mirror
Speaker 1: and say, is what I'm doing working? And when you
Speaker 1: have this many years of it, not that should be
Speaker 1: a clue. He's still to me one of the best
Speaker 1: on the mic, in the ring, all that stuff. I'm
Speaker 1: not discrediting the man's work, but I think everything you
Speaker 1: and I have said in this episode of own Sanction
Speaker 1: Thursdays has been completely fair and appropriate criticism. Artists can
Speaker 1: be criticized. I'm not trying to shit on the guy.
Speaker 1: This is legit criticism and there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 2: My final thought on the cmpunk, I mean, maybe the
Speaker 2: guy needs a drink. You know this straight out, Just
Speaker 2: have a beer, buddy, Relax a little, go shake hands
Speaker 2: with a few of your few of your coworkers. You know,
Speaker 2: maybe maybe take it like he's so intense, Jesus Christ,
Speaker 2: just have a drink.
Speaker 1: He just needs a drink. JA when he had that
Speaker 1: number with JBL back in the day, that was the
Speaker 1: That was the angle is he had a bottle of
Speaker 1: Jack Daniels and he's like, hey, how about a drink?
Speaker 1: And then the pitch was I don't know if they
Speaker 1: did it, it was Punk instead of taking the drink,
Speaker 1: grabs the bottle and breaks it over JBL's head because
Speaker 1: he would never drink. But he should have had that whiskey.
Speaker 1: He should have had a little whiskey.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, he just seems so frustrated and grumpy
Speaker 2: and judgmental and opinionated. They think maybe just you know,
Speaker 2: needs to relax a little.
Speaker 1: Let's talk Ricky Starks Brian Danielson, who I believe is
Speaker 1: the replacement for CM Punk. I think Brian Danielson is
Speaker 1: going to be the new lead of of UH Saturday
Speaker 1: Night Collision. I think Ricky Starks is going to be
Speaker 1: the lead villain on Saturday Night Collision. I think this
Speaker 1: is Tony Conn's way of trying to the Damn Show
Speaker 1: is by putting one of the greatest wrestlers in the world,
Speaker 1: Brian Danielson, the American Dragon who got the strap match
Speaker 1: versus Ricky Starks. I freaking loved this match. I every
Speaker 1: second of it, from the very beginning when Ricky's like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna beat your ass before this match even starts,
Speaker 1: waited for him to get strapped up first, beat him down,
Speaker 1: gets in the middle of the ring, Danielson gigs himself.
Speaker 1: That means cuts yourself, so you believe people. So when
Speaker 1: they cut back to him, he's already pouring blood and
Speaker 1: then Ricky just starts punching the cut and of course
Speaker 1: Danielson's face because aew is a crimson mak O Mackau
Speaker 1: just like your werewolf John Moxley, who by the way,
Speaker 1: won the International Championship from Orange Cassidy. Cassidy finally lost,
Speaker 1: but this match was brutal. This is one of those
Speaker 1: matches where both guys are like, all right, dude, this
Speaker 1: is gonna hurt a lot and I'm really sorry, and
Speaker 1: they're like, no, no, no, it's cool. It's cool. This is
Speaker 1: why professional wrestlers are tough. And I'm not because if
Speaker 1: somebody who was like, hey man, we can get you
Speaker 1: two million dollars for this strap match against MJF and
Speaker 1: here's the story, I'd be like, I'm sorry, what match?
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Man? I'm not getting whipped.
Speaker 1: I don't mean whiped since my mom whooped my ass
Speaker 1: when I was nine years old and screw that. But
Speaker 1: these guys went back and forth. They beat each other's
Speaker 1: asses like Trician Becky did in that steel cage match,
Speaker 1: and I loved it and the cool thing was and
Speaker 1: I hate postmatch scrums. I don't think Tony should do
Speaker 1: any of these scrums. I think we're stupid. But Brian
Speaker 1: Danielson did say which I thought was a huge compliment
Speaker 1: to Ricky Starks. He said, Ricky carried me through that
Speaker 1: whole match because he was coming off that broken arm,
Speaker 1: and you could see the skinny arm, you can tell
Speaker 1: which one was broken. But he said, Ricky Starks carried
Speaker 1: him through that whole match. And I really am starting
Speaker 1: to believe that Ricky's going to become the wrestler that
Speaker 1: I hope he could always be. A few months ago,
Speaker 1: I think I said it. I was like, yo, I
Speaker 1: think this guy can be a star if he just
Speaker 1: gets the right chance, the right opportunity, and he's getting it.
Speaker 1: He got Cmpunk first. Even though he lost, he's still
Speaker 1: got some wins and tag matches and shit and some
Speaker 1: shady wins. And now with Brian Danielson, I mean that's
Speaker 1: the top two dudes, Brian being the new lead and
Speaker 1: Ricky still being the freaking man. But I love this match,
Speaker 1: and I don't normally I get a little squeamish with
Speaker 1: real blood. I prefer fake blood in horror movies. CGI
Speaker 1: blood is nice to But I love this match, dude,
Speaker 1: what about you?
Speaker 2: I just thought of a great idea that a e
Speaker 2: W should do while you were while you were talking
Speaker 2: about you know, this should some of these guys from
Speaker 2: Elite and they click and all these guys, they should
Speaker 2: just make a belt like see them punks, you know,
Speaker 2: with the big X on it, and just literally capitalize
Speaker 2: off the CM punk thing, being like, you know, we
Speaker 2: had to, we had to finally finish something up. You know,
Speaker 2: they don't ever have to say his name, be like
Speaker 2: we just took care of some Chicago douchebag, and they
Speaker 2: like they have the belt and they just make a
Speaker 2: whole storyline the punk's not a part of and he's
Speaker 2: just he's just gone, Like that's the way that they
Speaker 2: get rid of him. And they squatch the whole thing
Speaker 2: with his belt and act like we beat his ass.
Speaker 2: We're not going to say his name, whoever we're talking about,
Speaker 2: but we got his belt right here, pissed punk off
Speaker 2: and be like, you know, hey, guess what, we're still
Speaker 2: we're still making money off of your antics. Back here,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I think you're right that he's going to
Speaker 2: be the face from here on out. And Ricky Starks
Speaker 2: is our producer. We've mentioned him many many times who
Speaker 2: we love. Alex sent us the photo while we're talking
Speaker 2: about it of Ricky Stark's back, and it is cringey,
Speaker 2: to say the.
Speaker 1: Least, just what my ass would look like when I
Speaker 1: pissed my mom off. The whole match, everything was insane.
Speaker 1: I really liked it. I thought that they really stepped
Speaker 1: it up.
Speaker 2: And dude, Aw's becoming infinitely better than WWE. To me,
Speaker 2: I never thought I would ever say that. But if
Speaker 2: I'm like, so in on AW, all right, we're closing
Speaker 2: with this dude powerhouse Hobbs versus Miro.
Speaker 1: Now, I've said this on the podcast a lot of times,
Speaker 1: and it's I don't get to take credit for it,
Speaker 1: but I am going to try and sneak my way
Speaker 1: in and take credit for this one. Biggie in a
Speaker 1: podcast once describe wrestling as meaty men slapping meat and
Speaker 1: I saw it on like a deep dive wrestling Instagram
Speaker 1: like dive where you're just scrolling through wrestling posts, right
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, like a podcast comes in
Speaker 1: and it's a wrestler instead of wrestling, they're just talking
Speaker 1: and he said that, and I died laughing, and I've
Speaker 1: set it a bunch on this. Well, apparently I'm not
Speaker 1: the only one that fell through that that wrestling hole
Speaker 1: on Instagram, because the entire crowd of aw all out
Speaker 1: started chanting various versions of meaty men slapping meat. They
Speaker 1: were screaming, slap that meat, slap that meat. Meet forever
Speaker 1: clap clap, clop, clop, clap, meat forever clap clap, clap clap.
Speaker 1: This is meat, this is meat instead of this is awesome.
Speaker 1: Like they committed so hard to this, and I'm not
Speaker 1: even lying. It didn't ruin the match because the guys
Speaker 1: were really good and busting each other's ass. But I honestly,
Speaker 1: normally I get mad at the crowd. You guys know,
Speaker 1: I get pissed off as you for hijacking matches. This
Speaker 1: was the world's greatest hijack ever. I loved it. I
Speaker 1: love that you guys stole it, and thank you so much.
Speaker 1: And if you don't want to give credit to Biggie,
Speaker 1: maybe you're mad at Biggie even though he's like the
Speaker 1: nicest guy in the world. Give credit to Jeff and
Speaker 1: I and we'll just say that we put that term
Speaker 1: over and that's the reason why it was That's the
Speaker 1: reason why I was said, we're very influential. We're rewriting it.
Speaker 1: We're rewriting the history. We came up with all this.
Speaker 1: It's our idea. Yeah, it's right, it's right, this is me,
Speaker 1: this is me. This match cracked me up. Welcome back, CJ. Perry.
Speaker 1: It was really nice to see Lana from the wwe
Speaker 1: come and try to protect her. Man cool, but a
Speaker 1: really cool match meet him in slapping meat. I loved it.
Speaker 1: And here's a little personal business news because we're talking
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Speaker 1: We love you too. Though, and also the upcoming House
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Speaker 1: of Jeff I. I'm Freddi Prince Junior. And this was
Speaker 1: on Sanction Thursdays. Peace.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
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