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Speaker 1: In fact, typically they're so cumbersome. I would leave them

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Speaker 1: seven pounds, so tena sonny, lovable baby, keeps a warm

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Speaker 1: a night. Margaret's not your only child party right, No

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Speaker 1: of a six year old would named Silas, which she's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Credit sports, great baseball player. There's Karate, beautiful look kid

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00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: as well, so fun, very intelligent, loving, just just like

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Speaker 1: his mom. Kidney's his mom. Big guys, Okay, call me crazy,

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00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: called me a sap, but he sounds sincere to me.

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Speaker 1: He does. He does. I mean, of course, I'm comparing

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Speaker 1: him to the worst of the worst, like Scott Peterson

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00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: and all the other dads like Drew Peterson, Scott Peterson

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00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: that give these statements that just ring hollow. This guy's

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00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 1: crying talking about Heidi Brissard as beautiful as loving, the

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00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 1: mother of his children. This is what we know. She

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00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 1: goes missing Heidi Broussard in an early morning tipline five

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Speaker 1: one two four seven two eight four seven seven four

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Speaker 1: seven two tips. This is another fact I'm just learning.

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Speaker 1: According to a friend, Caressa Rochelle Nulty, Heidi went to

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00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 1: the book fair that day eight am, and then her

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00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 1: fiance tried to call all her at twelve noon and

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00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: it went to voicemail like it was dead, like it

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00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: was dead. Now we're learning through Caissa Rochelle Knowe that

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Speaker 1: it was six o'clock the school called and that Heidi

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00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: had not shown up. It was significant to me, right

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Speaker 1: there is that he says he the fiance called her

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Speaker 1: at twelve noon and the call was already going to voicemail,

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00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: as if the phone was dead. To Bruce Johnson, ESP Investigations,

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00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: what does that mean to you? Well, the phone was

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Speaker 1: already dead, and that he got home at two o'clock,

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Speaker 1: So he's calling at twelve. He gets home at two.

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Speaker 1: If you get home at two o'clock, doors that are open,

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Speaker 1: all of her belongings are there. He waited to call,

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Speaker 1: you know, the police told seven thirty. He said that

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Speaker 1: he went running around. He went to the daycare to

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Speaker 1: pick up one of his other children. That was around

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Speaker 1: six o'clock DM. But there's four hours from two to six,

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Speaker 1: and there's six hours from twelve to six. You know,

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Speaker 1: those are large gaps that you would be panicking, you know,

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Speaker 1: calling the police sooner than what he did at thirty. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's shore up that timeline. Melanie bardon kye number one

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Speaker 1: relevant information fiance says he called her twelve noon. It

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Speaker 1: goes straight to voicemail, like it's dead and you can

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Speaker 1: tell you barely ring and then it goes straight to voicemail.

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Speaker 1: So Melanie, did the school call around six pm? Because

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Speaker 1: what this is telling me? Because we've got a tighter

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Speaker 1: timeline and this is important. So she goes missing. Now

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Speaker 1: we've got it down to four hours between eight and

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Speaker 1: twelve if we can count on that phone going to

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Speaker 1: voicemail timeline. What about it, Melanie, what time did the

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Speaker 1: school call? Well, I understand that he has said that

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Speaker 1: the school called that around six o'clock saying that he

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Speaker 1: needed to come pick up the boy, and it's when

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Speaker 1: he to go pick up his son and came back. Now,

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Speaker 1: keep in mind, the apartment complex is only about ten

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Speaker 1: minutes from the school, so it's not going to take

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Speaker 1: him very long to go pick up his son and

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Speaker 1: come back and it's when he came back that he

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Speaker 1: called police, which was around seven thirty. That is making

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Speaker 1: a little more sense to me. I'm also learning that

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Speaker 1: he thought she may be visiting somebody within the apartment

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Speaker 1: complex because her car was there, everything was there, and

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Speaker 1: so she would have to be on foot. We also

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Speaker 1: know that he Shane proposed to her in November, and

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Speaker 1: that's according to what Broussard herself posted on Facebook. What

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00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: else do we know? We know that Rossard's family has

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Speaker 1: come all the way from Louisiana to help search for her.

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Speaker 1: Timm and Brossard called in to k x A n

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Speaker 1: instead she was en route from Louisiana to Texas to

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Speaker 1: help with the search. She's originally from Late Charles, Louisiana,

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Speaker 1: That's what we've learned. She and Kerry have also lived

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Speaker 1: in Kyle, Texas. She had a steady job going. She's

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Speaker 1: been working at the same cracker barrel since twenty fifteen

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Speaker 1: and the family. Brassard's family is begging for prayers and

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Speaker 1: help finding Heidi. It's very clear that the fiance says

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Speaker 1: she would never have left Silas alone. She would never

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Speaker 1: have just left him at school, and that's where something

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Speaker 1: called routine evidence comes in to doctor Debbi Joffe Ellis

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Speaker 1: joining us psychologist. She never missed picking up her children.

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Speaker 1: I think that's very important, a very key factor here,

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Speaker 1: doctor Debbie. It certainly is. And again it either comes

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Speaker 1: down to something sinister, a choice she's made, or that

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00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: she was scripped with depression and was suffering some emotional

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00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: state that most people around her didn't realize. And that's

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Speaker 1: not uncommon. You know, you're back on the postpartum depression thing,

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Speaker 1: and doctor Dabby how I appreciate you, but it's not

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Speaker 1: factoring in with the evidence as far as I am concerned.

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Speaker 1: Karen Smith, You're right. Listen, investigations follow the evidence to

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Speaker 1: the suspect in most cases, but in cases like this,

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Speaker 1: you have to start with those closest to the people

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Speaker 1: that are missing. So if Shane's alibi and his whereabouts

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00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: can hold up to some very intense scrutiny, there are

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Speaker 1: other avenues to go down. Take a listen to the

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Speaker 1: latest from the fiance Shane Carrie, and I know the

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00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: cops and investagers doing their job and doing a great job.

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Speaker 1: I just want to do more. It feels like we

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00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: could do more and that's where everyone comes in. This

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00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 1: is a group, so I'll do it together. And just

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00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: I mean, so talk about you know, the way that

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00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: the car was left, the way that the home was left.

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Speaker 1: Everything was like she was home. I mean that's what

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Speaker 1: I thought. She was at her friend's house, like she

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00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: walked to the apartment complex. The car seats upstairs, her

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Speaker 1: is upstairs, her ide wallet, there's no signs of her

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Speaker 1: taking the baby. She would never leave her card to

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Speaker 1: wear unlocked. Her card door is unlocked, so that's that's

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Speaker 1: a weird sign. So I don't know anything about that.

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Speaker 1: And her purses inside her car with all the money

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00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: still inside of it, her idea, her cards, her full purse.

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Speaker 1: It's just the only thing gone is her, the baby,

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00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: her keys, and her cell phone which been off since

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Speaker 1: I tried to call her at one forty now from

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Speaker 1: flock seven. But we also know that the three books

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Speaker 1: bought at the book fair were in the apartment. When

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Speaker 1: the fiance gets home, own's cell phone missing and it's

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00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: been turned off. Carcy also inside the apartment. Now back

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Speaker 1: to you, Karen Smith, forensics expert Beerbos consulting. What were

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00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: you saying, I have a little laundry, list of things

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00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: that were bothering me as an investigator. One of the

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00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: things is did how do you leave a note that

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00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: she was going to be gone at this friends house

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Speaker 1: so that people didn't about Okay? Answer answer no, next right,

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00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: So okay, So if he thinks that she went walked

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00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: over to a friend house, why not traps on over

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00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: there to see if she's there. That's a question that

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00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 1: I had he did. Second answer he did. Next, Third question,

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00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: who saw that works? Were there any witnesses that saw

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00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: him at work and can place him at work for

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Speaker 1: that time period? He works for a moving company. Hold on,

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00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: let's throw that to Melanie bardon Kuye. He works at

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00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: Unicorn Moving. If nobody can place him there, he can

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00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 1: certainly have his phone triangulated. What do we know Melanie, Yeah,

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00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: as far as you know confirming where he was that morning,

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00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: police have not talked about it whatsoever. Police have given

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Speaker 1: us very limited information and they have not even touched

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Speaker 1: the subject of where Shane Carey was that day anything else.

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Speaker 1: Karen Smith. Yeah, if he works for a moving company,

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Speaker 1: I would put money on the fact that those moving

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00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: vands have tracking devices on him so they can track

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Speaker 1: his movements throughout the day, did he go back to

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Speaker 1: the apartment complex and the moving vand as he worked

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Speaker 1: with another partner at that point. All of these questions.

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to hamstring anyone, but these are questions

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Speaker 1: that investigators have to ask, as difficult as they are.

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Speaker 1: We are waiting as justice unfolds. Tipline five one two

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Speaker 1: four seven two tips five one two four seven two

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Speaker 1: eight four seven to seven. Let's pray for a Christmas miracle.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off Goodbye friend,