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Speaker 1: And away we go. Hello Texans and welcome.

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Speaker 2: We are back Texans, All Access on the air and

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Speaker 2: ready to rock in twenty twenty four with the Houston

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Speaker 2: Texans and the rest of the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Everybody at OH and Oh.

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Speaker 2: Following the conclusion of the Super Bowl on Sunday night

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Speaker 2: ending in overtime.

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Speaker 1: You know how it went.

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Speaker 2: And we're going to get the general on John McClain

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Speaker 2: tonight to talk about the knock. He was there when

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Speaker 2: Andre Johnson got the knock on the door the news

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Speaker 2: that he was going to the Hall of Fame in Canton.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait for that.

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Speaker 2: We have a lot to cover obviously here, super Bowl

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Speaker 2: off season, accolades, Texans to do's a whole bunch of stuff.

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Speaker 2: Mark vandermir and John Harris with you, Johnny, Here we

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Speaker 2: go another adventure, will we ever? You're gone really No,

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Speaker 2: not really.

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Speaker 1: And we did podcasts and everything like that. Never really gone.

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Speaker 3: We're just back on our slot at six to seven. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: so that'd be good. So we're glad to be back

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Speaker 3: in that way. So for us, twenty twenty four starts now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it does.

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Speaker 2: For the whole league, I think the league year does

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Speaker 2: not officially begin until almost a month from now with

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Speaker 2: the March free agency period and all of that. That's

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Speaker 2: the official start of the league year. It's kind of

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Speaker 2: a fiscal year of sorts as far as player acquisition,

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Speaker 2: and everybody on the start of the year has got

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Speaker 2: to be under the cap. Right now, you're all over

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Speaker 2: the place with the cap because you're in a transition

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Speaker 2: mode and you have futures, contracts and different things happening.

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Speaker 2: But that day, everybody's got to be under the cap,

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Speaker 2: and then you got to deal with it as far

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Speaker 2: as your free agent acquisitions and however else you handle

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Speaker 2: things going into the campaign. And there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: work to do the Texans with almost three dozen free

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Speaker 2: agents as they've got to figure out how to build

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Speaker 2: this twenty twenty four squad. And I want to start

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Speaker 2: right here, Johnny, because we all watch the Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: and this note popped up last night and it wasn't

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Speaker 2: one of those things you slide under the door. People

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Speaker 2: are aware of this, but everyone's talking about the Chiefs dynasty,

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Speaker 2: the Chiefs dynasty, and it is a dynasty, but the

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Speaker 2: Chiefs are not just the Chiefs that you saw in

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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. And you and I have talked about this.

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Speaker 2: This team has really turned over. The last time they

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Speaker 2: beat the forty nine ers, for example, Chris Jones was

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Speaker 2: the only returning defensive starter from that team, right, I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's amazing think about it right there. And offensively they're

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Speaker 2: completely overhauled as well. But you see Mahomes, you see Kelsey,

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Speaker 2: you figure it's the same team.

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Speaker 1: It's not.

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Speaker 2: It's not even close to the same team, other than

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Speaker 2: the quarterback, which is a big exception, and Andy Reid

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Speaker 2: and the rest of the staff members who might remain.

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Speaker 2: But it's so interesting to me how rosters turnover, and

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Speaker 2: this Texans roster is going to turn over right along

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Speaker 2: with the rest of the league, in fact, more than

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Speaker 2: most from a year to year basis, because they had

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Speaker 2: all those one year free agents.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I think what ends up, you know, with

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Speaker 3: dynastic teams or however you want to look at it.

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Speaker 1: Good teams that stay together for a while.

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Speaker 3: You have this core, well in Kansas City, Kelsey, Chris Jones, Mahomes,

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Speaker 3: that was the core. That part stayed together. But defensive

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Speaker 3: line turned itself over. I mean when they won that

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Speaker 3: Creed Humphrey they got in the draft. Trey Smith they

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Speaker 3: got in a draft. You know, they reset the entire

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Speaker 3: offensive line. But to me, what changed for the Chiefs

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Speaker 3: Lagerius Sneed. We saw his first game was twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: of a sudden, here comes Lagerius Sneed. He comes in.

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Speaker 3: He's playing some nickels, some safety, some corners, all over

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Speaker 3: the place. But then they draft Jalen Watson in the

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Speaker 3: and the parts are pretty good. But together they play very,

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Speaker 3: he's been a part of that. With Carl Loftis, with

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Speaker 3: it's like, man, big dude. They just find guys. And

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Speaker 3: then they drafted. One year, they drafted their entire offensive line.

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Speaker 3: They've got an offensive line that's gonna gorow together, and

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Speaker 3: that's probably a team that sticks together for a little while.

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Speaker 3: And of course they've got the ultimate Mahomes. I sent

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Speaker 3: you this text last night. I was just sitting on

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Speaker 3: a couch rewatching the game. You know, I just finished

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Speaker 3: my tenth year on the sideline, Yeah, son with you.

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Speaker 3: And for ten of those ten years, seven have there's

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Speaker 3: been a Super Bowl win by Brady or Mahomes. Seven

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Speaker 3: seven to ten. Seven of the ten seasons, Brady or

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Speaker 3: Mahomes have won it.

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Speaker 2: All right, So the other three would be Rams, Eagles

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Speaker 2: Peyton Mancos, they go more than that, it's Brady or Mahomes.

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Speaker 2: Eight of the ten Super Bowls have included a Brady

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Speaker 2: Eight of the ten on the sideline have included a

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Speaker 2: How about Brady goes through early part of his career,

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Speaker 2: it's Peyton Manning and Tom Brady right right right now.

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Speaker 2: He got Roethlisberger in there. He got Breeze for one.

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Speaker 2: But Roethlisberger sprinkles in there. And I'm not going to

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Speaker 2: go over all of them. But then Brady overlaps with

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Speaker 2: Mahomes right because he beat Mahome right in a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: All this stuff is Mahomes the greatest quarterback ever? We

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Speaker 2: literally have head to head, which doesn't matter. I know

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Speaker 2: when you talk about quarterback talent, people slow down with

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Speaker 1: Might be the best talent. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: We'll see where the career goes. Let me put it

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Speaker 2: to you this way, folks. If he retired today, is

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Speaker 2: the greatest quarterback ever?

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Speaker 1: Well? Probably not. Then let it play out. Okay, let

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Speaker 2: I mean, I would assume that he's going to be

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Speaker 2: you can't assume anything.

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Speaker 1: In this league, as we all know.

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Speaker 2: So let's let it play out, and we just describe

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Speaker 2: to you the hard work they had to do to

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Speaker 2: continue to build this team around him, to keep this

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Speaker 2: to be happening anyway, But eventually he retires. Mahome's going

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Speaker 2: to stick around for a long time. Is he going

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Speaker 2: to stick around as long as Brady? Is he going

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Speaker 2: to stick around long enough to get seven Super Bowls.

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Speaker 2: I don't know the answers to these questions. Just let

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Speaker 2: it play out. I know it's all sports talk conversation. Though,

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Speaker 2: Who's the goat? Brady's the goat? Okay, can we just

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Speaker 2: decide this? Can we just declare this? Can we just

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Speaker 2: slow down with the Mahomes being the goat?

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Speaker 1: Talk? Now?

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Speaker 2: Mahomes is an incredible talent. And I don't know how

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Speaker 2: you felt during that game, Johnny, but I felt like

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Speaker 2: I just thought, now, not your night, It's not your night.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna have the ball at some point and he's

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Speaker 2: gonna make you pay.

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Speaker 1: And he did. Yep. Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: You know what this reminds me of thinking of Mahomes,

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Speaker 3: It reminds me of Tiger when Tiger was winning all

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Speaker 1: Like, oh, he's gonna blow away.

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Speaker 3: Jack Nicholas Jack Nixlell said eighteen major wins and just

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Speaker 3: was steady throughout his career. I mean Jack was the guy.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he was the Tom Brady of golf in

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Speaker 3: the seventies. Mean, he's incredible hit eighteen Majors. Tiger is

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Speaker 1: Two thousand and nine. It stops. Wheels fell off the wag.

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Speaker 2: No, he wins the Extra Masters, but Tiger will be

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Speaker 2: Jack at this point. And Jack had all those second

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Speaker 3: So that's kind of to me, a closer comparison in

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Speaker 3: some sense is kind of Tiger wouldn't do it because everybody, Oh,

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Speaker 3: Tiger is going to blow that record away. Hold on

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Speaker 3: you just never know, you know, like you said, let

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Speaker 2: But it also works this way because who's the better talent?

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Speaker 1: Right? It's hard.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Tiger might be the greatest talent ever, right,

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Speaker 2: Jack has the most Majors, Brady has the most Super Bowls.

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Speaker 1: Mahomes might be.

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Speaker 2: More quote talented exactly, but I have to give Brady

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Speaker 2: We've seen better athletes a quarterback all over the place,

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Speaker 2: which speaks to his ability to play the position, though

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Speaker 2: he smartly has played the position. And we talked about

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Speaker 2: how the Chiefs roster has rolled over. How many times

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Speaker 2: it's seven times? How many times had he turned? He

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Speaker 2: played with a thousand players or whatever? Right, I might

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Speaker 2: not be far off with that number. By the way,

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Speaker 2: how many players did he play with and win championships

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Speaker 2: or at least participate in Super Bowls with?

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Speaker 1: It's crazy, Yeah, there's no question.

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Speaker 3: And that's kind of why the Tiger thing popped up,

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Speaker 3: because Tiger did things in golf that nobody in golf

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Speaker 3: Mahomes seems to have that at the quarterback position. If

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Speaker 3: Mahomes continues on his trajectory. Okay, here's where to me

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Speaker 3: the kind of the analogy breaks down in some sense,

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Speaker 3: or the comparison breaks down in some sense. Tiger, when

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Speaker 3: in the seventies when Jack was winning all those championships.

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Speaker 2: Chel playing quarterback with sims Her. Avoid the three peat.

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Speaker 2: Avoid the three peat. But look, Mahomes, I know people

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Speaker 1: Now. The Niners have got to take this thing over.

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Speaker 3: And they didn't against him, didn't, and he Mahomes went

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Speaker 1: That beats you.

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Speaker 2: Brock Purty take, Are you ready for my Brock party?

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Speaker 1: Take?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So, Brock Purdy I think is a good quarterback.

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Speaker 2: There's no doubt about it. This guy's a good quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Rock Purdy as good as they hoped Trey Lance would be? Now,

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Speaker 2: They had Rock Purty and he's played well enough to

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Speaker 1: Now he's only in year two.

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Speaker 2: But that's my question, and I don't know if anybody

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Speaker 2: because I think they felt like with Trey Lance, there

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Speaker 2: And I know injuries played a part in that decision

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Speaker 1: And maybe he can get to it. But that's my question.

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Speaker 1: Isn't brock Purty like real solid? Real solid?

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Speaker 3: There have been times where a Ford F one fifty

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Speaker 1: And now I agree with you, absolutely agree with you.

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Speaker 3: I think brock Purty played the forty nine Ers did

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Speaker 2: we need a touchdown, folks. And if we get that touchdown,

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Speaker 2: right there, or play another possession and take our chances

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Speaker 3: field goal, field goal, I don't know.

436
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Speaker 1: Anyways it went.

437
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Speaker 3: After the Niners scored to make it sixteen thirteen, it

438
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Speaker 3: missed the extra pointer and get it blocked. Chiefs kick

439
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Speaker 3: field goal. We're not a skicking field goal chief skiing

440
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Speaker 3: field goal, so you're kind of on this field goal run.

441
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Speaker 3: Neither team was driving all the way to the end zone.

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Speaker 1: So but they didn't have to because the extra point

443
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Speaker 1: was earlier.

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Speaker 3: I know, I know, And that changed to me. That

445
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Speaker 3: block actually goal changed everything changed. Everything allowed the Chiefs

446
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Speaker 3: kicking field would decided sixteen instead of having to go

447
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Speaker 3: for it. Had they had to go for it, and

448
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Speaker 3: they don't get it, they just gotten pressure on the Homes.

449
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Speaker 3: If they don't get it, who knows what happens at

450
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Speaker 3: that point. So there's a lot of different ways that

451
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Speaker 3: plays off. You don't miss the extra point, but I

452
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Speaker 3: you can sort of see that thinking like, Okay, if

453
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Speaker 3: we keep kicking field goals, we'll get it back in

454
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Speaker 3: that third possession, kick another field goal, win this thing

455
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Speaker 3: twenty five to twenty two. But the second part of

456
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Speaker 3: this is I think his defense was gassed, and I

457
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Speaker 3: think he felt like, I've got to get them off

458
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Speaker 3: the field.

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Speaker 1: So I think if you.

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Speaker 3: Combine all of that, that's probably what he went Now,

461
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Speaker 3: maybe maybe not, maybe he didn't think his defense's gas.

462
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Speaker 3: I think that was a part of it. I think

463
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Speaker 3: that was definitely a part of it. But of course

464
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Speaker 3: he's gonna look back and go, man, you again, Mahomes

465
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Speaker 3: proof the game. Don't give Mahomes an opportunity because to me,

466
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Speaker 3: even if the Niners have scored and kicked extra point,

467
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Speaker 3: which is what you're gonna do if you scored, that

468
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Speaker 3: situation right. Let's say they complete the pass, HOWU catches it,

469
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Speaker 3: they go up twenty five nineteen, they're gonna kick it at

470
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Speaker 3: twenty six nineteen. You're still outlining for the Chiefs what

471
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Speaker 3: they have to do. Yeah, And as soon as you

472
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Speaker 3: outline for Mahomes what he has to do when he's

473
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Speaker 3: in Mahomes.

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Speaker 1: Mode, you're done.

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Speaker 3: Because I think the Chiefs go down to score angle

476
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Speaker 3: for two, and because they have such creative play calling

477
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Speaker 3: on their two point plays, they would have gotten it

478
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Speaker 3: in one twenty seven to twenty six because you the

479
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Speaker 3: Chiefs would not have allowed the forty nine ers to

480
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Speaker 3: go get the ball third time. That's the other thing

481
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Speaker 3: that Shaneahan didn't factor in. The Chiefs aren't gonna allow

482
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Speaker 3: you to get to the third possession because they're gonna

483
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Speaker 3: go for two.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna go for two. They're gonna end it right there.

485
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Speaker 3: Why give it back to the forty nine ers at

486
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Speaker 3: that point in your defense's gas.

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Speaker 1: I can't guarant them an opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I can't guarantee that he might feel like

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Speaker 2: kicking it. Let's go ahead, keep playing because worst worst

490
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Speaker 2: case as you lose, but.

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Speaker 3: You have Patrick Mahomes you're two yards away, or you're

492
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Speaker 3: gonna put your tired defense back on the field and

493
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Speaker 3: expect them to keep the forty nine ers from kicking

494
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Speaker 3: a field goal.

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Speaker 1: These are tough decisions, very tough.

496
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Speaker 3: That's why, that's why they get paid a lot of

497
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Speaker 3: a lot of freaking money.

498
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Speaker 2: Running high Travis Kelcey bumping that head coach and yelling

499
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Speaker 2: at him me worthy, of course, that was nuts. It

500
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Speaker 2: was crazy stuff, very entertaining. What I don't understand. I

501
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Speaker 2: get it. It's not an offensive fireworks show first half, obviously,

502
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Speaker 2: scoreless first quarter. Does that mean it's not entertaining? I

503
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 2: was entertained. I'm entertained by football. I'm maybe I've been

504
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 2: in the AFC South too long and seeing too many

505
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Speaker 2: ugly it out games sixteen to.

506
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Speaker 1: Ten, those kinds of things.

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Speaker 2: We've been in a lot of those, Johnny, where it's

508
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Speaker 2: just like grind it out. But that's football too, right, Yeah,

509
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Speaker 2: you know, one, nothing in baseball is something.

510
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Speaker 1: It's it's a pitcher's duel.

511
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Speaker 2: Sometimes it's a defensive struggle, if you will, and you're

512
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Speaker 2: playing chess that way.

513
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Speaker 1: That's part of football.

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Speaker 3: I think with the Chiefs, what's what's become Increasingly interesting

515
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Speaker 3: to me is the fact that the Chiefs, to your

516
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Speaker 3: point earlier by resetting the roster, was they went out

517
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Speaker 3: and reset the roster, and they have this fundar Kin

518
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Speaker 3: deck quarterback. They have made be the greatest tight end

519
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Speaker 3: of all time. They've got this jet, you know, Tyreek Hill. Know,

520
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 3: they've got all these offensive weapons, and they've just been

521
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 3: pouring points, you know, exploding scoreboards and all that. And

522
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 3: they went, you know what, let's improve this defense. We

523
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 3: got to find ways to improve this defense. And then

524
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 3: each year they got better on defense, to a point

525
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Speaker 3: where they were a top five defense this year. And

526
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Speaker 3: they then they found essentially by having that defense, they

527
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Speaker 3: found another way to win games. It wasn't just mahomes

528
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Speaker 3: is gonna put the cape on and we're gonna go win.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought this. That's incredible.

530
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Speaker 2: Look how many times they struggled this year. It was

531
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Speaker 2: very Patriot life. Remember all those Patriots seasons where all

532
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 2: they're done losing to Kansas City the way they did

533
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 2: those things, and then they end up doing well anyway,

534
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Speaker 2: getting to the Super Bowls, very often winning it. You

535
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 2: can't keep track, but that points out how when you're

536
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 2: the hunted. You're the big target like the Chiefs are.

537
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Speaker 2: You might struggle sometime, they know, just get there. They've

538
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 2: never been on the road with the Mahomes bunch. They

539
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Speaker 2: went on the road this year.

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Speaker 1: They beat the.

541
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Speaker 2: Dolphins in the Ice Bowl at home. Then they beat

542
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Speaker 2: the Bills, and they beat the Ravens, then they beat

543
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Speaker 2: the forty nine Ers. Phenomenal postseason run for them all right,

544
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Speaker 2: John McClain. Phenomenal run for Andre Johnson to the Hall

545
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Speaker 2: of Fame. And McClain was at his house when he

546
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Speaker 2: got the knock. He wrote about it on Houston Texans

547
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Speaker 2: dot com. How did that go? More on the Super

548
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Speaker 2: Bowl too, including Tony Romo, takes et cetera. It's Texans Radio,

549
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Speaker 2: Mark Vandermare and John Harris with you as promised here

550
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Speaker 2: he is the general and Hall of Famer John McClain

551
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Speaker 2: joining us on the program.

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Speaker 1: Following a very.

553
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Speaker 2: Busy week of the NFL and extremely busy and successful

554
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Speaker 2: for the Houston Texans, NFL honors Thursday night, with Offensive

555
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Speaker 2: and Defensive Rookie of the Year hardware being passed out

556
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Speaker 2: to C. J.

557
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Speaker 1: Stroud and Will Anderson Junior.

558
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Speaker 2: And Andre Johnson getting into the Pro Football Hall of

559
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Speaker 2: Fame and John you you were there. You were there

560
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Speaker 2: for the knock and wrote about it on Houston Texans

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Speaker 2: dot com. Awesome, good evening.

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Speaker 4: I did Good Evening. Thank you guys for running it

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Speaker 4: as one of the longest stories I've ever done. But

564
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Speaker 4: because I presented Andre, because I've been on the Hall

565
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Speaker 4: of Fame selection committee for more than thirty years, they

566
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Speaker 4: I asked him if I could be there and write

567
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Speaker 4: it behind the scenes thing, which I had done in

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Speaker 4: Dallas last year when Chuck Ally's family invited me up

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Speaker 4: after I presented him. And it's great because there's only

570
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Speaker 4: me and the people from the Hall of Fame, and

571
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Speaker 4: you always wonder and the people that set it up

572
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Speaker 4: keep it quiet. And Cannard McGuire's agent, longtime friend, did

573
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Speaker 4: a great job of convincing Andre that he was coming

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Speaker 4: to his house to put him in his will, which

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Speaker 4: he did, and he said, my lawyer says, you need

576
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Speaker 4: a couple of you need a pull up witnesses, So

577
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Speaker 4: why don't you bring maybe your mom and your brother.

578
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Speaker 4: And Andrea said later, you know, I never thought anything

579
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Speaker 4: about it because he's so close with the family. He said, okay,

580
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Speaker 4: and then so Canar goes over to Andrea's house. He's

581
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Speaker 4: got this monstrous home in southwest Houston. This attorney's supposed

582
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Speaker 4: to get there two thirty. I'm in my car in

583
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Speaker 4: a parking lot down the street the entrance to the neighborhood.

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Speaker 4: And uh so there's going to be an hour late,

585
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Speaker 4: so Cannar tells Andrew, Well, my attorney's going to be

586
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Speaker 4: an hour late. So Andrea's house is such that you

587
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Speaker 4: can be sitting around in this kitchen area which runs

588
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Speaker 4: into the den area, and there are huge rooms that

589
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Speaker 4: two cargo vans and a Yukon and an avalanche can

590
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Speaker 4: pull in to your driveway and you don't hear it.

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Speaker 4: And so that's what we did. When they came in,

592
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Speaker 4: went the gate, parked on the and what impressed me

593
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Speaker 4: so much last year they parked at Roger Skawback's house

594
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Speaker 4: and walked next door to Chuck Alley's and so I

595
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 4: had never seen them pull up. It was almost like

596
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Speaker 4: a presidential motorcade. They got out and nobody slammed the door.

597
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,959
Speaker 4: They barely closed him. They whispered, and they all had

598
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Speaker 4: boom MIC's. Everything was attached. While they were on the rug.

599
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Speaker 4: They get up to the front door, like the FBI

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Speaker 4: is about to break down the door. They're quiet. Chris

601
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Speaker 4: Carter's got his gold jacket on. He gets to the

602
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Speaker 4: front of the group and he bangs on the door,

603
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Speaker 4: no answer, hesitates, bangs on the door, no answer. Now.

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Speaker 4: In what they showed on the NFL network Saturday night,

605
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Speaker 4: on the Knocks, it looked like he knocked once, so

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Speaker 4: there's a hesitation. Everybody's looking around like his he ear

607
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Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, the door opens and you

608
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Speaker 4: hear screaming and that was his mama. She he was

609
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Speaker 4: just screaming up a storm, grabbing Andrea, hugging him, and

610
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Speaker 4: he admitted that he didn't remember anything. Chris Carter told

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Speaker 4: him he was in shock, and he got emotional. He

612
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Speaker 4: started crying, and Chris Carter shaking his hand, trying to

613
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Speaker 4: tell him, you're in a class in twenty twenty four,

614
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Speaker 4: it means this, and Andrea's just nodding his head while

615
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Speaker 4: tears are running down his face. And then when we

616
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Speaker 4: go inside for the interviews, the hall calls it the

617
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Speaker 4: big reveal. He didn't have a clue. Nobody in the

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Speaker 4: house did other than Canard, and I think it was good.

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Speaker 4: Canard did put him in his will, and wish I

620
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Speaker 4: could have gotten Canard to put me in his will,

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Speaker 4: but he pulled it off as great. I detailed everything

622
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Speaker 4: in that story that's on Houston texans dot Com. Thank

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Speaker 4: you for letting me do it, because I was so

624
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Speaker 4: happy when we did the vote and we cut from

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Speaker 4: fifteen to ten, cut fifteen to ten. Reggie Wayne didn't

626
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Speaker 4: make the cut from fifteen to ten, Andre Tory Holt

627
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Speaker 4: did and we'd all talked for hours about all three

628
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 4: receivers deserved to be in Hall of Fame. So it

629
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 4: was the last two years. But when Reggie Wayne didn't

630
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Speaker 4: get to ten, I thought, Okay, we're going to vote

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Speaker 4: for Tory Halt first over Andre because he's been a

632
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Speaker 4: finalist a lot longer. So we vote from ten to five,

633
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Speaker 4: and they called him in alphabetic order, and I've got

634
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Speaker 4: my fingers crossed, I've got my toes crossed. On a

635
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 4: zoom they called Andre Johnson. I clicked the camera, so

636
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Speaker 4: it goes off and I start. I didn't jump up

637
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 4: and down and do carwheels, but I showed a lot

638
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Speaker 4: of emotion without anybody hearing it. So then when I

639
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 4: regained my composure. I hit the camera and just looked

640
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 4: stoically like I was bored to death, and because I

641
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 4: wanted to act like I'd been in the end zone before.

642
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Speaker 4: And then when you make that cut to five, then

643
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 4: it is just yes or no votes. Everybody makes a

644
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 4: cut to five is in. I was so happy, first Texan,

645
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 4: happy for the McNair family, happy for him, happy for

646
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Speaker 4: his teammates, happy for everybody in the organization because he

647
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 4: will always be the first. It just like he was

648
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Speaker 4: the first ring of honor, first star, first superstar. And

649
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Speaker 4: I've never seen any emotion from him except when he

650
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 4: was pounding Cortland Finnigan, and I saw a lot. It

651
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 4: was just the opposite end of the emotional spectrum.

652
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Speaker 3: There are a lot of people, johnn to know who

653
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 3: I'm about to ask you about in this town. But

654
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 3: you probably had a as close relationship as you could

655
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 3: have with Bob McNair. What do you think Bob would

656
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 3: have thought when Andrea got the call to go in

657
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame.

658
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 4: Oh, he would have been. He would have been so

659
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 4: happy because of all the great respect he had for Andre,

660
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 4: Charlie Casherley. I texted Harley Charlie's one of the people

661
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 4: I called.

662
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 3: Uh.

663
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 4: In my presentation, I called Kyle Shanahan and Mike McDaniel.

664
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 4: They were part of my presentation because I was looking

665
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 4: for hot coaches who were in the news a lot,

666
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 4: and when we did this, Mike McDaniel was hot and

667
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 4: still in the news getting a lot of attention. So

668
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 4: I just thought, maybe putting coaches like those two in there,

669
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 4: maybe the quotes will resonate more. Don't know if they

670
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 4: did or not. Still had a lot of stats. A

671
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 4: lot of people spoke up on Andre's behalf. But Bob

672
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 4: McNair would have been so happy, so excited.

673
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: You know.

674
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 4: He wouldn't have turned cartwheels because that wasn't his style,

675
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 4: but he would have been pumped, just like Janie Hannah

676
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 4: and Cal McNair were. And uh and uh uh. There's

677
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 4: nobody more deserving. In four years, JJ Watt will be

678
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 4: the second Texan inducted into the Hall of Fame. Don't

679
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 4: know it will be third, but it was such an

680
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 4: exciting time and I when I'm standing in the back

681
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 4: of the crowd of Hall of famers and NFL films,

682
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 4: people with boom mics and Steve wish doing the interviews,

683
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 4: and I started getting teary eyed because Andre did. At

684
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 4: one point he had to walk away from everybody go

685
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 4: sit by himself on his sofa to compose himself. And

686
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 4: I took some pictures of that that Adam Cann had

687
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 4: did a great job on the headlines and the layout

688
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 4: and the subeds and pictures and cut lines and everything else.

689
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 4: He ran the pictures showing Andre there emotional and then

690
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 4: just kind of with melancholy looking around even though the

691
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 4: room was backed, and then he got back up and

692
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 4: came back over. The only thing that'd be more perfect

693
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 4: is if he hadn't been wearing stuff from the U.

694
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 4: He had been wearing text and stuff, but that just

695
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 4: shows you he had no clue, and he admitted he

696
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 4: had no clue. So he's wearing white socks when he

697
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 4: answered the door, green Miami shorts and a green Miami pullover,

698
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 4: and it's just seeing that. I watched it on Saturday night,

699
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 4: not knocks, and watching what they did was really good,

700
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 4: But watching him cry, that's what I hadn't seen before,

701
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 4: so I'd made it even more special.

702
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: It was a hurricane day. Yeah, it's got Texans Day.

703
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: Hurricane day. I doubt he has Coults are Titans Day

704
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: because those were short experiences. But yeah, I felt it too,

705
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 2: and I felt emotional about it because John, I think

706
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: it validates, for lack of a better word, a lot

707
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 2: of those teams for the Houston Texans seven eighth, nine,

708
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: twenty ten, even where all right, they didn't win as

709
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 2: many games as they wanted. They didn't get to the

710
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 2: playoffs in those years, but they had top four offensive

711
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 2: numbers in several of those years, and they had some

712
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: really sweet wins and some really good games. And I

713
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 2: think all the teammates can share in this in a way.

714
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 2: And I wrote about this myself on Houston Texans dot

715
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: com how Andre Ware from his nineteen eighty nine Heisman season,

716
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: he considers it our heisman, the whole team.

717
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: It's their heisman.

718
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 2: They all wanted together, Well, this is their Hall of

719
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 2: Fame honor. All those guys who played with Andre on

720
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 2: those offenses, and maybe with the entire team as well.

721
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 2: I think they all can share in this honor together

722
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 2: because they didn't get the ring, but they have the jacket.

723
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 4: I quoted in the presentation to the committee and also

724
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 4: in the story I wrote Gary Gibeek talking about Andre

725
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 4: was so great. He gave the organization a chance to

726
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 4: make the playoffs, win the division, and compete for championships.

727
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 4: And other than win championships, there's not anything you can

728
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 4: say nicer about a player and how much he deserves

729
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 4: of that honor. And you know, Resie Wayne played with

730
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 4: Manning and all these other Hall of famers opposite Marvin Harrison,

731
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 4: Tory Oak played with Kurt Warner, Marshall Falk, Orlando Pace

732
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 4: opposite Isaac Bruce's greatest strong turf. And I didn't mention

733
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 4: this in my story because I didn't want it to

734
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 4: detegrate Kevin Walter and Owen Daniels. But for the first

735
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 4: ten years, they were the best players. And the only

736
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 4: time Andre ever had a receiver opposite him have more

737
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 4: nine hundred yards was when Hopkins came in late in

738
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 4: his career, and that happened one year before Andre was gone.

739
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 4: And so one of the things that Kubiak pointed out,

740
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 4: and Mike McDaniel pointed us out too, that Andre had

741
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 4: so much attention from opposing defenses that he was one

742
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 4: of the first players receiver to ever be used the

743
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 4: way he was, which was put him outside, put him inside,

744
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 4: put him in the backfield, send him in motion. Gary said,

745
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 4: we put so much on him, but he handled it

746
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 4: all like a pro and he excelled doing it. And

747
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 4: uh when I watched highlights of all the great catches

748
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 4: he made. Uh. And one thing we don't use or

749
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 4: highlight reels when we're trying to solicit votes and and

750
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 4: uh push our uh the player we present, but man

751
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 4: oh man, because all the highlights would be great for everybody.

752
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 4: He never seen any low light films. And uh, but

753
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 4: it just reminded me of what an incredible receiver he

754
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 4: was because he made so many great ones in which

755
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 4: he had players all over him. The one, the one

756
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 4: ended catch against the Titans and the end zone. But

757
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 4: the one was it Arizona where he caught it the

758
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 4: five and boat broke three times nine and over people. Ye,

759
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 4: that that stood out to me, just showing what kind

760
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 4: of power he had. The one in Tennessee showed what

761
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 4: kind of hands he had, The one in Washington showed

762
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 4: the uh what kind of acrobat he was, and how

763
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 4: he catches in traffic at the back of the end zone.

764
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 4: And there were just so many that just illustrated what

765
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 4: a great receiver he is, and now he's going into

766
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 4: Canton and it's the mcnairs will be I told Hannah

767
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 4: col y'all going to be paying for a big party

768
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 4: up there after his induction, and he better start saving

769
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 4: now because it's going to be so many people there, teammates, fans, friends, families.

770
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 4: I know we'll all be there and I can't wait.

771
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 3: General to the extent that you can tell us this,

772
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 3: how long were you sitting on this secret? How long

773
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 3: had you known that Andre was going into the Hall

774
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 3: of Fame before it was public.

775
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 4: We at our meeting in the middle of January, Oh wow,

776
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 4: we're supposed to go to Atlanta and we couldn't because

777
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 4: of the weather. So many people trying to get there.

778
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 4: So it was a zoom. It's been a zoom since

779
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 4: the pandemic, which I liked better. But before we always

780
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,720
Speaker 4: went to the Super Bowl state we had the vote

781
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 4: on Saturday. We get there at six am and before

782
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 4: the NFL network, we might not get out of there

783
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 4: later night. But then with the NFL network, I wanted

784
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 4: to get involved and they wanted announced earlier. Put they

785
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 4: started putting a time limit of five minutes on the

786
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 4: presentation and then others can talk, and you have opportunities

787
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 4: to come back and add things, and I tried to

788
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 4: always I add something special when I got one chance

789
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 4: to put out one thing, and so it was. Once

790
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 4: he had to file five, I knew it, and then

791
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 4: I couldn't say anything to anybody. I recommended Canard to

792
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 4: try to do something like that. Cannard Maguire did a

793
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 4: fantastic job, and then Canard knew, and he didn't tell

794
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 4: his family. He didn't tell Andre's family. He had to

795
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 4: sit on it. And he said it was hard because

796
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 4: he said, I talked to Andre almost every day and

797
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 4: it's that time of the year. If Andre had been inquisitive,

798
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 4: he'd say have you heard anything? But because he didn't

799
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 4: reach out to me, and I'm glad he didn't because

800
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have gotten back to it. Gary Kubiak was

801
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 4: texting me if you heard anything about Andre?

802
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: Oh? So I ignored it.

803
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 4: Text and I said, uh, well, i'll find out when

804
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 4: you do. Keep your fingers crossed and he said when

805
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 4: is that? I said on the NFL Honors show. And

806
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 4: most people figure out that since I'm on the committee

807
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 4: that I would know. And one friend of mine didn't

808
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 4: realize that. Well, night before he's the Honters, He's like, well,

809
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 4: what do you think the odds are? What do you

810
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 4: do you think he's going to make it this year?

811
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 4: And I said, well, maybe the third time will be

812
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 4: the charm. I'm sure open so, and it was hard

813
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 4: that I could not tell people, including y'all, exactly what

814
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 4: I knew. But it all worked out.

815
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 2: Perfectly, john thanks so much for joining us. Well, we

816
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 2: will catch up on Thursday. Looking forward to that.

817
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, thank you very much. It's great to be

818
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 4: back with you.

819
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: All right, coming up more on the Super Bowl, Tony

820
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 2: ram Takes, et cetera, and Texans to do is whatever

821
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 2: we can possibly get to before the close of business

822
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 2: on Texans All Access. All right, kicking a few things

823
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 2: around here before the close of business on our inaugural

824
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four season, Texans All Access, and boy, this

825
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 2: season cannot start soon enough. Couple of other things about

826
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, Johnny. As the Tony Romo critics were

827
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 2: out in full force last night, I'll just say this

828
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 2: a couple of things Tony Romo. I was thinking about this,

829
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 2: how many analysts have we had who have done Super

830
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 2: Bowls who had never played in one oo or even

831
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: a championship game in a conference. Right, because if you

832
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 2: think about it, Joe Buck with Troy Aikman, Aikman's got

833
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: many pelts yep.

834
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:45,959
Speaker 1: Right.

835
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 2: And then Collinsworth played in two. Right, He played in

836
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 2: the second one for the Bengals and the first one

837
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 2: with Ken Anderson and then with boomeros.

838
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: Sias number one one. But did get there.

839
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 2: He got there a couple of times, right. And then

840
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 2: who did we have before that? Phil Simms would see, yes,

841
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 2: obviously won a Super Bowl and played on a lot

842
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 2: of successful Giants teams.

843
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: Coached in a Super Bowl. I mean Madden, Yes, of course,

844
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: you know.

845
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 2: I think we got to go back to Did Merlin

846
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 2: Olsen play in that Rams Steelers Super Bowl? I don't

847
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: know he was by them, So Merlin Olsen has called

848
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 2: super bowls.

849
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 1: I mean we're going back to Merlin Olsen. Just put

850
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: it that way.

851
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 2: Did I miss somebody who's called a super Bowl in

852
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 2: the last thirty forty years? Who other than Olsen who

853
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 2: had not played in one?

854
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 3: Greg Olsen got there in twenty fifteen. Yeah, Greg Olsen

855
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 3: got got there and he got to one. Oh boy,

856
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 3: think so think about that, Yahn. Some are all doing

857
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 3: play by play. Had won championships in New York, Yeah,

858
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 3: and played in it.

859
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: And he's a play by play guy. So he's got

860
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: a little pass there. That's so. Had Romo even won

861
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: a playoff game? Yeah he has, he has. Oh he

862
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 1: beat the lines that one year. That's right. Oh by

863
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,959
Speaker 1: the way, okay, I got it, I got my Tony

864
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: Romo thing. Okay, go ahead. What did kyle x catch?

865
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: Remind you of the early did he have one catch?

866
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 3: Remember when he caught the ball, took two steps and

867
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Speaker 3: lunged and the ball popped out.

868
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah and over the time.

869
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the Brian, I mean the Bryan who

870
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 2: through the past that death Bryant Oh Romo did ed.

871
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: He didn't bring it up.

872
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 3: He had the perfect opportunity to drop, but des Brian

873
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 3: caught it.

874
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: He just totally blew it to me. Used check that

875
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: that was used check or kettle as you check? All right.

876
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: That was way more of a catch than Brian and

877
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: Bryant shook the count.

878
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 3: They were the exact they were the exact same play.

879
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 3: Caught it, took two steps, lunged and the ball came out.

880
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: The steps were more deliberate. I don't know, I have

881
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: to look at that one again, but he's the way

882
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: Romo had the perfect, perfect time I had caught. Here's

883
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: the other thing.

884
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 3: If you'd have done that, I think people would have

885
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 3: been Okay, yeah, that was good. Like he could have

886
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 3: played into the meme, like the whole thing.

887
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 2: If Andre were on, I'd ask him this because as

888
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 2: a TV analyst, radio is different. As a TV analyst,

889
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 2: when you have that hardman catch, you gotta lay out.

890
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 2: You gotta shut up right right cannot as a TV

891
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: play by play guy too, you could say caught game

892
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 2: over something.

893
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: You can see something real quick.

894
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: But then you just lay out and let the crowd explode,

895
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 2: let the reaction shots fly right, you get tailor up

896
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 2: in the booths, you get you know whatever.

897
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: You get ahead.

898
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: You show all those shots with no commentary at least.

899
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: Ten to twenty seconds.

900
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: I don't know what the time is, but it's a

901
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 2: definite amount of time. You're not sitting there describing what

902
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 2: just happened on the play because that's less relevant at

903
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: that particular moment than the game is over right now, correct,

904
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 2: So you let the.

905
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: Moment play out. It's a visual. You can see it.

906
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: Radio different story. Radio, Yeah, Radio, just go, just go.

907
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: You don't got to keep going. Lay out a little,

908
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: but you can't lay out that much TV.

909
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 2: You gotta let that thing breathe, definitely let you gotta

910
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 2: let it and let it breathe. Easy for me to say,

911
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 2: but and look, I'm not saying you cannot call a

912
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 2: super Bowl if you haven't played in one.

913
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that at all.

914
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 2: But there's just something about that that's stuck out to me.

915
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 2: With all the heat he is getting, I don't think

916
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,919
Speaker 2: he's that bad at all, but man, is he under

917
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 2: a lot of fire for a guy who's making as

918
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 2: much money as he is, and maybe that's it for

919
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 2: a guy who had the kind of honeymoon he had

920
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: and now the marriage is not going as well. It's

921
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 2: interesting to me as a broadcaster to study and follow this.

922
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 3: You know who could have helped him out in some sense, producer.

923
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 3: As soon as the game shut up, no turn the

924
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 3: volume down. I've learned this watching a documentary which you

925
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 3: still have to watch, called More than a Voice on

926
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 3: the SEC Network. The greatest college football play of all

927
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 3: time is kick six right, twenty thirteen Auburn, Chris Davis

928
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 3: runs it back. Rod Bramlet's calling the action and his

929
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 3: color analyst is starting to bleed over into it, and

930
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 3: the producer just went and turned his mic off because

931
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 3: it's a long run and let Bramlet describe everything, so

932
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 3: he turned his volume off. Unbeknownst to him, Bramlet.

933
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: Call, yeah, all the way down the field. I can't

934
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: do that. I know you can't do it, Andre, And

935
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 1: you wouldn't do it. Andre. You know what NFL Films does.

936
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,959
Speaker 2: They record both channels, So they record me and one

937
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 2: and Andre and the other. So if they want to

938
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 2: use both of us at the same time, they can.

939
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 2: If they want to just use the body, by the way,

940
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 2: or the color, they can. So if my on one,

941
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 2: you're on the third one, which is we'll call you

942
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 2: when we need you, all right, that one goes.

943
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 3: But yeah, I thought that was yeah, you're you're right,

944
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 3: you gotta you gotta let it breathe, let nance have

945
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 3: his you know, chief dynastic call or whatever it was

946
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 3: at the end, and then.

947
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: Let Patrick Starr and SpongeBob have their calling.

948
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 2: Nickelodeon, by the way, Vander Kidd two eleven years old.

949
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 2: He watched the entire Nickelodeon brodcast. Yes, he does not

950
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 2: watch as much football as Vander Kidd won. So Vander

951
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,919
Speaker 2: Kidd two is in the other room watching the Nickelodeon

952
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 2: and he's yelling and hooting and hollering and telling me

953
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 2: what SpongeBob was saying or whatever.

954
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: And I thought it was and that's why they do that,

955
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 1: and it's very smart.

956
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 3: When I got back home, for some reason, I just

957
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 3: wanted to see how it went because I saw a

958
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 3: couple of things pop up on Twitter about Patrick start

959
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 3: talking about Travis Kelcey. They popped up a graphic when

960
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 3: they showed Kelsey in the sidelines. They said, Travis Kelcey

961
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 3: good at football. Yeah, I like that was so was

962
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 3: so cute. So I watched the last drive or parts

963
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 3: of the last drive, and I just thought it was brilliant.

964
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 3: I thought it was really well done. It was really

965
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 3: really cool. All Right, that's going to do it for

966
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 3: tonight's show. We have a lot to get to tomorrow,

967
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 3: Texans to do. Is Andy Kalu is going to join

968
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 3: us on the program, So you want to tune in

969
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 3: for that. Have a great night, don't forget the relatively

970
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 3: new show with Sean and Patrick is coming up next

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Speaker 3: it's Texans Radio