WEBVTT - A New Terror - Part One [1] 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:04.840 Welcome to Monster DC Sniper, a production of iHeartRadio and 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:08.639 Tenderfoot TV. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:12.320 are solely those of the podcast author or individuals participating 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:15.440 in the podcast, and do not represent those of iHeartMedia, 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:20.239 Tenderfoot TV, or their employees. Listener discretion is advised. 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:24.960 It was quite a warm morning. 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:30.160 I drove my son to school with some other children. 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:33.440 I dropped them off around eight o'clock and my two 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:36.720 year old was still in the car, so he was in. 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:39.600 A car seat. We were listening to children's music in 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:40.640 the car on the radio. 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:47.159 I went to the gas station and I stopped to 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:52.919 pump gas. My name's dot Caroline Namo. I'm a pediatrician. 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:56.800 I live in Silver Spring and Maryland. It was a 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:59.800 lovely day. It was very warm, so I opened the windows. 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:02.560 So as I rolled the windows down a bit, I 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:04.440 turned and I looked to the right, and. 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:07.800 There was a taxi and there was a gentleman who 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:09.360 was filling his car with gas. 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:12.280 But I thought it was unusual because he was filling 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:15.960 the tank from underneath the license plate. 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:17.400 Which I had never seen before. 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:21.000 I looked at him for a few seconds and he 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:23.600 looked up at me and we made eye contacts. 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:24.639 I smile. 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:28.399 I reached to get my purse to take out my 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:34.120 credit card, and I heard a bang, and immediately in 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:37.640 my head I thought there was a gunshot. But at 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:40.720 the same time, I thought, no, why would there be 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:44.400 a gunshot. It must be some sort of electrical problem, 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:46.480 maybe with the car, and he was doing something weird 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:48.480 and he shouldn't have been filling it from under the 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:50.120 license plate, how strange. 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:54.680 I looked up and he was walking towards my car. 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:59.480 It was just a few paces and he looked in 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:03.720 the passenger side and he said, call an ambulance, and 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:08.880 he collapsed and I was shaking, so I immediately grabbed 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:11.520 my phone, got out of the car and call nine 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:14.080 one one, and I was totally in shock. 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:21.480 By an ambula. 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:23.040 I don't know. 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:38.960 I don't think America has ever gone back to the 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:42.120 way that it was before nine to eleven in the 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:46.560 Anthrax attacks and the DC sniper. My name is Garrett Graff, 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:50.840 and I'm a journalist and historian. It's really amazing looking 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:54.440 back to the nineteen nineties today, really just how much 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:57.000 simpler the issues on the table were. 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:01.680 Governments, utilities, and companies all over the world are checking 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:05.080 their computer systems to prevent a Why two came. 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:10.079 Outdown Much of the country was really consumed by the 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:15.280 impeachment of President Clinton in nineteen ninety eight. Actually, President 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:19.440 Clinton was criticized for trying to distract from his impeachment 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:23.640 troubles by attacking the training camps of al Qaeda. These 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:27.040 were threats that the US was not focused that much on. 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:30.200 As a country, the government, the National security apparatus was 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:31.800 beginning to pay more attention to it. 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:35.120 We must remember it is the obligation of America to 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:38.280 help make the world more peaceful. As far as I'm concerned, 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:41.280 it's an obligation of a commander in chief as well 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:43.920 to understand, in order to keep the peace, we must 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:49.279 rebuild the military power of the United States of America. 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:54.640 The two thousand election at the time seemed incredibly vicious 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:58.720 and partisan, and ultimately it was a vote of the 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:03.760 Supreme Court that declared effectively George W. Bush the winner 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:07.560 of Florida and thus the winner of the presidency. In 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:12.600 many ways, Americans were beginning to lose trust in institutions 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:16.480 as they were hit by various scandals and then of course, 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:19.479 we didn't know either what came next. 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:23.719 Apparently a plane has just crashed into the World Trade 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:26.720 Center here in New York City. It happened just a 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:30.320 few moments ago. Apparently we have very little information available. 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:34.440 There weren't very many people who defaulted that morning to 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:37.280 thinking it was terrorism at first, And I think one 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:40.280 of the most remarkable things that you see on the 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:43.280 morning of nine to eleven is just how innocent America 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:48.479 truly was. President Bush continued with his morning reading to 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:53.400 school children. Congress prepared to open for business that day 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:56.640 after the first attacks, and even in New York City, 0:04:56.720 --> 0:05:01.040 you know, you saw people just continue their commune, thinking 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:04.440 that they were going on to a relatively normal day 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:04.880 at work. 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:07.000 I heard of throwing worked up and there was a 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:09.400 big qualifire. You could hear the fire engines and the. 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:10.640 Emergency crews behind me. 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:11.600 I've never seen. 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:14.760 Any fire light in the air, and pieces of the 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.200 building were flying down in tense smoke. 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:19.560 It's horrible. I can't even describe it. 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:22.880 As the morning of nine to eleven unfolded, it quickly 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:25.960 became clear that this was a terrorist attack on not 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.960 just New York City, but the wider country. 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:32.000 This airplane that ran into the Pentagon. 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:33.239 It happened within the hour. 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:35.760 The plane sliced through the building, it. 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:38.440 Came in and hit actually at about the first and 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:39.400 second floors. 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:43.839 We really didn't know how wide the attack actually would go, 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:48.520 you know. Skyscrapers were evacuated in Boston, in Chicago and 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:51.719 Los Angeles and other cities across the country as people 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:55.520 feared that there could be more planes still in the sky. 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:59.160 The fear was really that there would be a second 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:05.360 wave of attacks. That sense of fear was certainly driven 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:07.960 by the accelerating media culture as well. 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:11.800 There are thousands of these terrorists in more than sixty countries. 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:15.320 They are recruited from their own nations and neighborhoods and 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:18.440 brought to camps in places like Afghanistan where they are 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:20.840 trained in the tactics of terror. 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:29.680 Unrelenting coverage contributed to this pervasive fear about whether we 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:34.720 were safe living our daily lives. There was the expectation 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:39.480 really that DC would be attacked again by Al Qaeda, 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:44.120 by a car bomb, by more planes. There was a 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:47.800 real fear about whether this was the day that the 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:48.839 next shoe dropped. 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:57.560 In the wake of nine to eleven, all of us 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:00.920 living in the DC area were terrified, and we were 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:03.800 all just waiting for the next horrific act of terror. 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:08.400 I'm Tony Harris. In the fall of two thousand and two, 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:11.160 I was working as a news anchor for Fox forty 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:14.840 five in my hometown of Baltimore, Maryland. On the morning 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:19.160 of October third, reports began flooding our newsroom about random 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:21.160 shootings in Montgomery County, Maryland. 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:25.239 We do have five fatal shootings for no apparent reason, 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:28.200 no robbery motive or anything like that. People who are 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:30.440 just sort of out and about doing their normal task. 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:34.360 You know, you think you're out here safe, and here's 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:37.600 this woman coming out of this apparently the post office. 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:38.080 And was just shot. 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:43.640 The people of Maryland look through their televisions to journalists 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:46.440 like me for answers, but we didn't have them. 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:48.280 It is quite a mystery. 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:50.000 The police say they have never. 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:53.160 Had a crime quite like this in Montgomery County before. 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:56.920 They are huddling together. They are trying now to figure 0:07:56.920 --> 0:07:57.840 out what's going on. 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:02.720 And that terrible day was only the beginning. What emerged 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:05.760 over the following weeks was one of the most disturbing 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:09.600 crime sprees in the history of our country. But now 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:13.640 eighteen years later, the Supreme Court will rule on the 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:19.920 sniper's case, and the convicted killer could one day walk free. 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:23.280 On this season of Monster, We're going to investigate the 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:26.360 full DC sniper story because I want to find the 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:29.280 answers to questions that have haunted me all these years. 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:33.600 What was the killer's motive? And should they ever be 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:37.920 given a second chance to fully understand, We have to 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:41.520 go back to October second, two thousand and two, an 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:46.120 average Wednesday and suburban Maryland. 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:55.560 October second, two thousand and two was an unusually warm 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:59.040 day for DC. I was working in the evening shift. 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:02.520 You handle the routine calls. There several of us working. 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:06.800 Everybody worked in a cubicle, nothing special really going on. 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:12.280 It was in the early evening. The phone rang, and 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:14.839 we don't have a secretary at night. So whoever picks 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:17.240 up the phone, whatever's on the other end of it, 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:17.800 you get it. 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:22.600 This is Patrick McNerney, a former homicite detective with Montgomery 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:24.320 County Police in Maryland. 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:28.160 Was told by our communications center there had been a 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:30.920 shooting murder, or as we call it, an one hundred 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:35.240 in the Wheaton Glenmont District in the Shopper Sued Warehouse 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:38.920 parking lot. So we're running lights and sirn over to 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:42.480 the scene and took about fifteen minutes to get there. 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:47.280 Were presented with a very large crowd in front of 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:48.679 the Shopper Sued Warehouse. 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:52.640 McNerney took charge of the crime scene. He locked the 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:57.360 area down, began interviewing witnesses and tried to figure out 0:09:57.400 --> 0:09:58.240 what just happened. 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:02.320 This could have and a robbery or somebody walked up 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:04.920 to this guy and shot him. And then we still 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:06.679 had to deal with why did it sound like a 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:11.439 cannon going off? That was a report from the first 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:14.600 officer who was actually sitting right across the street when 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:16.040 the shooting took place. 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:24.679 The sound I heard wasn't really to immediately recognized bile 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:27.839 as a gunshot. It was just this enormously loud percussion. 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:32.920 I'm Alan Felson. At the time, I was working for 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:35.800 the Montgomery County Police Department. I was a bicycle patrol 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:39.720 officer assigned to the Wheaton District. The police station is 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.480 directly across the street from the Shopper's Food warehouse we 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:44.960 were standing today, so that's where I was then. 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:49.400 Felson was the first officer on the scene. He heard 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:53.240 the shot and responded immediately, but it was already too late. 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:57.360 The killer got away. How could a shooter pull this 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:00.600 off in broad daylight, right next to a police station. 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:04.440 I asked Felsen to meet me here and explain what 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:08.960 he saw that day. So you're sitting there in your 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:13.640 cruiser at that point, describe what happens and what you hear. 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:16.680 There's a business right next door here called Country Board 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:19.880 that's been here forever. They use forklifts and pallettes. They 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:23.640 sell mulch and garden supplies, and I mean I almost 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:25.959 thought that one of their eighteen wheelers had been knocked 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:29.600 over something. It was this enormously loud percussion. So I 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:31.720 did not immediately go, wow, that sounds like a rifle. 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:35.480 It was just this really loud thunderclap kind of sound, 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:40.120 so obviously drew everyone's attention in the police station. People 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:43.240 heard it inside, because that's only, you know, one hundred 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:47.120 hundred and fifty yards away. They came to the door and looked. 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:48.320 Out it was that lamp. 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:53.160 Yes, because I was directly across from the shoppishoot warehouse, 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:55.240 I think I already saw that. The people in front 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.360 of the store, were looking straight at the parking lot. 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:01.520 From the store, I pulled out, flipped on the emergency 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:05.240 lights on the car. It was probably less than a 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:07.800 minute that it took me, you know, to drive there. 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:10.880 But as soon as I pulled in, I can see 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:13.560 that there's a man laying face down in the parking lot. 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:15.760 So I pulled in and I just yelled that the 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:18.120 people are staying there, did anyone see anything? And I 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:21.959 just got kind of no reaction. Everyone was still just staring, 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:24.679 I think. I then yelled to them, if you heard 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:27.040 the shots, stay here, or if you saw anything, stay here, 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:31.640 and then drove my car up the aisle closer to where. 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:32.040 The victim was. 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:37.120 So there's a light pole here, and the victim was 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:40.400 on the pavement. He had blood on his chest and 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:42.600 around his mouth. He had no pulse and wasn't breathing. 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:45.520 I didn't expose the woond right away as he was 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:47.200 in his chest. I saw the blood by his mouth, 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:50.840 and I just went straight into CPR And by then 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:52.800 other people are showing up because we are only about 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:54.360 a you know, one hundred yards from the police station, 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:58.040 and everything kind of happens in a blur at that point, 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:01.600 if I knew that night what we knew thirty six 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:04.440 hours later, I would have probably positioned my car better 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:08.080 because I basically went right in the line of fire. 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:12.680 They could have shot me and still gotten away. Again, 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:15.959 at this point, we didn't know it was rifle. That 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:18.559 realization only came when I went in with one of 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:22.560 the homicide detectives to the Shoppers food warehouse and we 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:30.400 reviewed their security footage. 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:34.360 There's no audio on this surveillance, so we're just watching 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:35.800 the quiet play of it. 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:40.320 This is Patrick McNerney again, the Montgomery County homicide detective 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:43.640 in charge of the crime scene. McNerney watched the victim's 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:46.720 last moments caught by the security camera. 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:49.560 And reviewing of the tape was he pulled into the 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:52.960 parking lot in his truck, parked in a parking space, 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:57.400 probably twenty spaces away from the store, gets out, walks, 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:59.800 he takes five or six steps, and then he goes 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:03.960 down and we see, you know, there's nobody standing near him. 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:06.000 All right, So now we have to train our thinking. 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:08.959 It's not a walk up and shoot. We're looking at 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:12.440 a long range shot. Let's see if we can find 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:15.480 a projectile which is truly the needle in the haystack 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:19.240 at this point with all the residual trash, loose pebbles, 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:21.960 stuff like that in the parking lot. Now we're even 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:25.840 more concerned about cars riding through stuff getting caught into 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:29.920 the treads because we don't want to miss anything. Fire 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:33.160 rescue had already come in and determined that this person 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:36.920 was deceased on the scene. A lot of people didn't 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:39.960 see anything, but two or three people who were right there, 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:43.080 right kind of close to where this person was shot. 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:46.680 They were just walking and they heard the cannon and 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:49.840 they saw this guy drop. They just went to hiding 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:52.040 their cars. They had no idea what was going on. 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:55.560 They quickly detected who was a shooting, saw this guy 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:59.120 get down, and now they're scared for their life. My 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:02.400 job is to to stop time as much as possible. 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:06.480 Let's go back step by step on what happened. Where 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:09.360 did this guy come from? Did somebody follow him in here? 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:12.920 Was he having any issues with anybody? Did anybody hear 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:18.080 any arguing, car horns beeping? Any reason why this event 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:22.400 would have taken place. We found out that James Martin 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:25.760 worked in downtown Silver Spring. Nice enough guy. People at 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:29.560 work liked him. He's very quiet one son. He didn't 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:32.600 live too far from where the store was. I believe 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:35.360 it was his first time going to that store and 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:37.160 he was just going to pick up some stuff for 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:38.280 dinner on his way home. 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:43.840 Jim was a really hard worker. He worked all through 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:48.200 high school at a general store, and everyone loved him. 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:52.720 He always believed in fairness. He always believed in things 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:58.200 being done kindly and justly. That's the kind of person 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:02.640 he was. He was wonderful brother. He was just a 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:05.000 terrific uncle to my kids. 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:10.840 Ola Martin Cooksley is James Martin's sister. She calls him Jim. 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:14.400 The two of them grew up together in Missouri. They 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:17.640 stayed close even after Jim moved to the DC area 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:21.080 for work. It was late on October second when she 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:22.400 got word of Jim's death. 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:27.240 I was almost asleep that night. I had gone to 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:30.800 bed and I was alone, and I had just begun 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:35.280 to drift off when the phone rang. It was my 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:39.600 sister in law and she said that Jim is dead. 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:43.360 I said, did you have a heart attack, you know, 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:45.240 because our dad had passed away with a heart attack, 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:48.320 and she said, no, he's been shot. And nobody says 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:54.280 they saw anything, and nobody knows anything. After she told 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:57.040 me that and we hung up, I thought maybe I 0:16:57.120 --> 0:17:01.880 was still sleeping. I thought I was dreaming, and I 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:06.520 spent that entire night thinking that I must be dreaming. 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:12.440 Even for the next few days, I kind of felt 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:14.600 like it was a nightmare, and I kept wishing I 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:20.120 would wake up. It just seemed too unbelievable. In a way, 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:24.280 it kind of kept bit as a buffer, because I 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:28.320 didn't just go completely bonkers the way I probably would 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:30.320 have if I hadn't thought it was a dream. I 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:32.680 kept thinking, I'm going to wake up. But I also 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:36.800 had this weird, strange feeling that something had gone horribly 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:40.640 wrong in the universe because I had just always thought 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:44.560 it Jim and I would be old people together. It 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:50.080 just seemed so unbelievable and so wrong, and it just 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:53.520 felt like something had hit the world and knocked it 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:55.120 out of line or something. 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:02.359 The death of Jane and Martin seemed utterly random, and 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:05.879 investigators weren't sure what to make of it until they 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:09.000 learned there had been another similar shooting less than an 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:13.239 hour earlier at a Michael's craft store just miles up 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:13.840 the Road. 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:30.400 About forty five minutes prior to James Martin being shot. 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:33.879 If you go north on Georgia Avenue, probably two or 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:36.720 three miles, you get into an area it's called Aspen Hill, 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:40.800 about half a block off Connecticut Avenue. There's a Michael's 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:42.160 Craft Store. 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:48.000 Sunny Police offer sixteenth you do la course, Hi, this 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:50.520 is DEBI case the demander at the Michaels at Aston Hill, 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:55.120 which you had somebody fire some sort of projectile through 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:55.920 the window. 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:56.080 Of the store. 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:01.560 Detective Patrick McNerney also took charge of it. 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:04.119 Was the people in the store who actually made the 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:06.359 call because they could tell it was a bullet that 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:09.879 came through the window. You're sitting there and you're just 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:12.720 proceeding normally. Then all of a sudden, bam. 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:15.840 Oh, there was a hole to our plateglass window. There 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:18.880 was a loud popping sound. Whatever came through the window 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:23.160 also went through a light here, and fortunately no one 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:23.639 was struck. 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:27.960 The shot rowed high and when it entered the glass 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:29.560 in front of the Michaels, it hit one of those 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:33.520 lane markers, you know, versus lane one, two three, hit 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:36.240 one of those and kind of disintegrated and later was 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:39.600 found in a pocket on a shelf behind that. 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:42.520 It was only one shot so far. 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:54.920 You So this is the Michaels Arts and Craft Store, 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:58.880 and this is the location of the first rifle shot. 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:01.639 They take off, they drive away, they head up the 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:04.879 road two miles at the most, and that's when this 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:09.439 story takes the horrible and gruesome turn. I've got to 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:14.000 tell you, this is the most average strip mall in America, 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:17.840 and I visited a thousand of them growing up in Maryland. 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:23.800 That's what this place looks like. Non descript suburbia, that's 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:26.720 what this is. So this is the kind of community 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:29.040 where that would have been big news, the fact that 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:32.960 someone fired a rifle shot through the window of a Michael's. 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:36.119 That would have been huge news, and one of the 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:41.240 newsrooms in either Baltimore or Washington would have been asking questions, 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:45.800 is their connection? Come on, they're less than two miles apart. 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:49.520 You've got a fatality. There's got to be a connection. 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:54.680 You could really almost assume that they're connected, and ultimately 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:55.120 they were. 0:20:56.400 --> 0:20:59.160 McNerney went back to take another look at the Shopper's 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:00.840 food warehousehooting from earlier. 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:04.760 We all kind of agreed, you know, this looks like 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:09.520 a snipers a long shot. Nobody saw him. You heard it, 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:12.520 But initially, there's no reason why somebody want to shoot 0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:14.919 this guy or want to shoot the other people we 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:16.879 talked to in the parking lot who were kind of 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:20.840 right there in that scope range. You know, why didn't 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:23.160 he shoot them? And why him and not to her? 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:28.600 And who knows? Our forensic team was there. I think 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:32.680 our division captain had even come by. He usually came 0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:34.560 out and something was really kind of odd. 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:39.879 My name is Bernard James Forsayth. At the time of 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:42.520 this event, I was the director of the Major Crimes 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:45.400 Division of the Montgomery County Police Department and my rank 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:49.920 was Captain. Now, this is six o'clock in the afternoon, 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:54.880 one of the busiest intersections of Montgomery County. It's somewhat 0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:58.239 unusual that you would have a shooting and nobody has 0:21:58.280 --> 0:22:01.760 seen anything. I called Chief Moose, which is part of 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:03.920 our protocol, to let him know that we had had 0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:05.000 a shooting down there. 0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:09.440 Charles Moose was the chief of Police for Montgomery County. 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:12.119 The two shootings so far fell under his jurisdiction. 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:15.600 He asked me, he said, well, what do you think 0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:17.800 it is? I said, Chief at this point, we just 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:21.679 don't really know. We just didn't know, you know, what 0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:26.240 had occurred. Probably the worst case scenario was a random 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:32.359 shooting with no motive. It's very hard to connect randomness, 0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:34.560 that's what it amounts to. 0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:40.119 And with that, the bizarre events of Wednesday, October two 0:22:40.320 --> 0:22:44.960 came to an end. But this was just the beginning. 0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:52.320 The following day, on October third. 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:53.440 I think it's fair to say all hell broke loose. 0:22:56.640 --> 0:22:57.600 Montgomery County. 0:22:57.680 --> 0:23:01.719 Oh, I guess we amias okay with the travel somebody's 0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:02.880 been shot down on our back. 0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:06.000 Lot, are they somebody is down on the ground. 0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:06.959 Okay? 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:08.639 Did you see the person getting. 0:23:08.600 --> 0:23:10.240 Out up the top of the hill and somebody yelled 0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:11.760 up the calling ambulance. 0:23:11.680 --> 0:23:13.440 Came where they just sat. 0:23:13.640 --> 0:23:15.720 You know, yeah, we just heard the shot. 0:23:16.040 --> 0:23:18.680 I just briefed the chief as to what we were 0:23:18.680 --> 0:23:21.560 doing with regard to the shooting at the Shopper's food 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:26.600 warehouse the night before, when these incidents started percolating into 0:23:26.600 --> 0:23:27.399 the office. 0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:29.280 Yeah, I'm being down right now. 0:23:29.440 --> 0:23:33.399 Okay, he's down on the ground. 0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:35.920 We got a crowd of people down here. 0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:38.280