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Speaker 1: Welcome into another edition of the Jaguars Reporters podcast. JP Shatterick,

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Speaker 1: Kai Stevens, Brian Sexton, John Ozer. Coming off the bye week,

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Speaker 1: headed into Week ten and the Jaguars at six and two.

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Speaker 2: They've won five in a row.

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Speaker 1: They'll host the San Francisco forty nine Ers this Sunday

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Speaker 1: at one o'clock. Let's start off with the big trade

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Speaker 1: news at the deadline. Ezra Cleveland the Guard comes in

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Speaker 1: from the Vikings. Doug Peterson confirmed Ky on Monday that

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Speaker 1: Walker Little is the starter. He wanted to be clear

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Speaker 1: about it. Walker is the left guard on this team.

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Speaker 3: He came out and said that, obviously, you don't want

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Speaker 3: any infighting on the offensive line. Offensive line has been

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Speaker 3: pretty good because they've been moving them all the parts

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Speaker 3: around for quite some time, especially this year with all

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Speaker 3: the injuries that they've been dealing with. But I think

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Speaker 3: we all had talked about it. If you can get

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Speaker 3: someone on the cheap and they're giving up a late

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Speaker 3: round draft pick for Cleveland to add some help on

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Speaker 3: the line, that certainly isn't going to hurt them. And

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Speaker 3: he has some versatility. He's a guard, but he can

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Speaker 3: kind of play in multiple positions as well.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: That's certainly something that they need help with on this team,

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Speaker 3: so that was a good addition. In my opinion.

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Speaker 4: Little is a tackle playing guard. I think the long

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Speaker 4: term plan is to move him back to tackle, which

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Speaker 4: means you're gonna need guards. Shatley's at the end of

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Speaker 4: his career and is a free agent next year, and

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Speaker 4: Brandon Sheriff has a twenty three million dollar cap figure

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Speaker 4: and he's at the end of his career. It would

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Speaker 4: appeared as well, and you need bodies in Cleveland's a

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Speaker 4: former second round pick, JP, talented guy, and somebody that

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Speaker 4: can play left or right. And I just got the

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Speaker 4: sense listening to Doug that he's in their long term plans.

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Speaker 4: This is a move for today as well as tomorrow.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, a little bit in that sense, different positions. Maybe

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Speaker 5: like Ridley last year. You bring him in with an

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Speaker 5: eye on the future. Ridley couldn't play last year. I say,

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Speaker 5: it's not exactly the same, but you trade now with

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Speaker 5: the idea of having something later. I think it was important.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure they did this last week. Important to tell

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Speaker 5: Walker Little publicly and privately, Hey, you're a left guard.

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Speaker 5: You fit into our plan because he's sort of been

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Speaker 5: juggled a lot, playing different positions. Really through no fault

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Speaker 5: of his own. He didn't play poorly at left tackle.

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Speaker 5: It's just that Cam Robinson is the left tackle and

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Speaker 5: it's hard to move Cam somewhere else. He played well

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Speaker 5: left guard, deserves to be in the starting five. And

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Speaker 5: I think for keeping Walker Little around long term, keeping

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Speaker 5: him part of it, keeping into it, it was important

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Speaker 5: to make sure he said, hey, you're one of our guys.

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Speaker 5: You earned this.

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Speaker 4: He brings depth. And it's interesting, JB. Because you look

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Speaker 4: at Cam Robinson's number next year, he's a seventeen and

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Speaker 4: a half million dollar cap savings and you've got Walker

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Speaker 4: Little that you drafted. So maybe he don't know this

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Speaker 4: for sure, and they, of course wouldn't address it. Maybe

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Speaker 4: they're setting themselves up to be able to create the

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Speaker 4: offensive line at the future next season and Little is

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Speaker 4: just not Little Cleveland is just getting ahead.

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Speaker 2: Of that, right.

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Speaker 1: And you know, every tackle who has been a tackled

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Speaker 1: their whole career wants to be a tackle.

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Speaker 4: You know, they get paid a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: It's gotta be tough for him, and maybe he's swunging

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Speaker 1: a little bit of pride going inside. But he's in

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Speaker 1: the lineup, he's playing, he's contributing, and we'll see what

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Speaker 1: the future olds.

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Speaker 5: Last year, remember they needed seven really good offensive linemen

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Speaker 5: to do what they did. If they had had one

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Speaker 5: fewer last year, those the last three or four games

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Speaker 5: might have looked a lot differently, might look a lot

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Speaker 5: different now they're back to having that formula even plus one.

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Speaker 5: Because you have Shatley and Cleveland behind me at guard.

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Speaker 5: Shatley communities, you're very protected if something happens to you.

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Speaker 4: I think Shatley, we've seen some limitations from him over

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Speaker 4: his career. He doesn't have long arms, he's not a

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Speaker 4: at him as your backup center, you're much more comfortable

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Speaker 4: with him as the center than the guard. And this

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Speaker 2: You have short arms, and you're a short guy too.

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Speaker 4: But I also don't play professional footcasts thought injuries.

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Speaker 1: Jay Jones was the most notable one from Doug Peterson

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Speaker 1: on Monday. He said, all these other guys, Walker little

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Speaker 3: It's such a tough one too. Obviously we don't know

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Speaker 3: anything officially, but it just seems discouraging. It's not at

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Speaker 3: a point where every week we're like, yeah, he's getting

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Speaker 3: closer and getting better. It kind of just feels very

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Speaker 3: and obviously, with something lingering this long, that always gives

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Speaker 3: this offense. It really just opens everything up when he's

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Speaker 3: better after so many weeks, that's just not positive at

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Speaker 3: this point, not at all.

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Speaker 5: John Well, he Unless you are carrying a lot of

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Speaker 5: guys on IR, it's not that much of a hindrance

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Speaker 5: to your roster to carry one guy on the inactive

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Speaker 5: It's not a big problem to have Zay inactive for

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Speaker 5: it sounds like it's sort of close whether he would

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Speaker 5: do we go ahead and keep that roster spot for Zay.

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Speaker 5: But it certainly it hadn't sounded for a couple of

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Speaker 4: Too, alarm bells went off for me when the week

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Speaker 4: but it's less likely that we're going to see him

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Speaker 4: anytime soon. And truthfully, though we'd all like to see

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Speaker 4: because he's such a valuable piece on third down. I

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Speaker 4: And I say he's a big reason why. His absence

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Speaker 1: Why, no doubt about that. So now the question is now,

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Speaker 1: What else can they find to open things up for

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not sure there is an answer to replace

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Speaker 5: him because he's I don't think Parker Washington, Tim Jones,

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Speaker 5: Elijah Cooks, the two rookies aren't there yet, that's right,

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Speaker 5: And you can't just blank and force them to be there.

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Speaker 5: So I think you've got to continue sort of doing

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Speaker 5: a few weeks ago, well, how can you say Zay

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Speaker 5: is so important? They have Christian Kirk, he's your possession guy,

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Speaker 5: but Zay matters because we all saw him matter last

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Speaker 5: eight games last season, the play that beat the Ravens,

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Speaker 5: top against the Bills. He's a really good red zone guy.

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Speaker 5: He's quick, everything's as double move guy, but he's real athletic.

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Speaker 5: He's good in the red zone, and not having him

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Speaker 5: other guys, and that's probably the biggest thing I'll love.

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Speaker 4: I'll give you two things you could do. One is

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Speaker 4: you could use travestn more, not necessarily as a runner,

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Speaker 4: And the other is Brenton Strange. We saw a little

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Speaker 2: You don't have Za.

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Speaker 4: It's not like they're going to replace a But if

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Speaker 3: I think when I think about the offense being successful

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Speaker 3: he runs, and I think that's great, But at certain

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Speaker 3: that might open things up differently because then they're able

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Speaker 3: that's something for the offense that they kind of need

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Speaker 5: And that's where I think you miss Aday is absolutely

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Speaker 5: at how many times have we seen them hit quick

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Speaker 5: on the offensive line short of having Zay back. You

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Speaker 5: need the offensive line to play better, yeah, or protect.

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Speaker 1: Better absolutely, or have that the quarterback at least think

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Speaker 1: that way. Have the confidence back that you've watched Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrow the other night and just his confidence and the

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Speaker 2: Things are going on, but he's always downfield.

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Speaker 4: Look go watch that Niners game again against the Bengals,

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Speaker 4: and the Niners have two hundred and two million dollars

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Speaker 4: guaranteed in the three starters on their defensive line, and

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Speaker 4: they were all over the pocket and Burrow was absolutely

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Speaker 2: That's Jerry Baalgan the quarterbacks to be that way.

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Speaker 1: This week, we'll come back in a moment and look

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Speaker 1: ahead three of the next four here in Jacksonville, and

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Speaker 1: this is Jaguars Report.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Jaguars Reporters podcast.

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Speaker 1: Final few moments as we headed into week ten and

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Speaker 1: after this one, this long track of five different stadiums

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Speaker 1: in five weeks and four cities and seven time zones.

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Speaker 1: Well now three of the next four tier right here

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Speaker 1: in Jacksonville and the friendly confines of EverBank Stadium. It

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Speaker 1: starts with San Francisco coming in for a one o'clock kickoff,

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Speaker 1: a game we've been looking forward to for a long

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Speaker 1: long time. It's a different sand Fan team. They've lost

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Speaker 1: three in a row. I don't know how different they are, though.

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Speaker 1: There's still the forty nine ers and they can come.

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Speaker 3: Play, and they're coming off of bye week two, right,

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Speaker 3: so that's going to help them just as much to

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Speaker 3: have gotten healthier and get some of their guys back

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Speaker 3: in the week who exactly will be back. But I mean,

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Speaker 3: this team is one of those teams that adjusts to

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Speaker 3: point where you almost don't realize who's missing at certain points,

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Speaker 3: you know. Obviously we've seen them do it with quarterback.

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Speaker 3: They don't care who the quarterback is. They're going to

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Speaker 3: find a way to win. But I mean, they're dangerous

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Speaker 3: in so many aspects. It's hard to pin one down particularly.

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Speaker 3: But obviously we've been circling this game for a while

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Speaker 3: along with some of the other Primetime Ones games that

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Speaker 3: we're looking forward to measuring stick game and kind of

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Speaker 3: seeing where this team is at. Jaguar is still probably

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Speaker 3: not getting a ton of love in this one. I

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Speaker 3: think they're underdogs for it as well, so that's common.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna come with the territory for Jacksonville as we know, so,

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Speaker 3: but I think it's gonna be fun one to watch.

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Speaker 4: I've said it before. Kyle Shanahan is a guy that

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Speaker 4: I always watched his team because the way he puts

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Speaker 4: groups of players together to create mismatches to dictate to

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Speaker 4: a defense, the motion and the movement.

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Speaker 2: He's really really good.

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Speaker 4: And then Doug Peterson shows up here last year and

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Speaker 4: I think I'm watching the same guy. So I think

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Speaker 4: this is a matchup of two premier offensive minds in

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Speaker 4: terms of design. And I'll never forget.

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Speaker 2: You know, John, you call this.

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Speaker 4: We went out there in twenty seventeen with that great

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Speaker 4: defense and they jumped out to a sixteen nothing lead,

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Speaker 4: and Kyle Yuschek, the fullback, was their leading receiver that day.

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Speaker 4: They used Matt Brida and they were throwing the ball

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Speaker 4: laterally and confusing the Jaguars defense, just creating mismatches and

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Speaker 4: opportune plays, and I remember thinking, this guy gets it.

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Speaker 4: Of course, you know, his father was really good at

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Speaker 4: that too.

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Speaker 2: So I am really.

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Speaker 4: Looking forward to Sunday because when you go back and watch,

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Speaker 4: and I went back and watched the last three games

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Speaker 4: for the Niners and the last three games for the Jaguars,

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Speaker 4: you see lots of creativity and lots of aggressive offensive personality.

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Speaker 4: And I think you're gonna have two alphas right on

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Speaker 4: good defenses. Should be a fun matchup.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the Niners or in an interesting spot. First of

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Speaker 5: all I'm understanding is that Samuel and Williams will both play,

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Speaker 5: But from talking to people, it's not just the injuries

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Speaker 5: as the reason that they've started with the last three games,

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Speaker 5: they've turned the ball over more than they used to.

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Speaker 5: Defenses have The Browns who beat them first came up

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Speaker 5: with sort of an approach that the forty nine ers

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Speaker 5: so far have not really figured out. So they're in

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Speaker 5: a spot. You lose three straight. Now you're coming to

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Speaker 5: play Jacksonville on the road, you lose four straight. This

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Speaker 5: is almost a desperate team coming in, which sounds weird

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Speaker 5: for San Francisco because there was.

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Speaker 4: The Cowboys forty to ten on Saturday Night football. They

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Speaker 4: look like a Jugger.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and in their past Rush, although they look good

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Speaker 5: on paper, has not been great. They add to Chase Young,

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Speaker 5: but they haven't really pressured the way they want. So

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Speaker 5: they're it's interesting. I mean, this could be a defining

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Speaker 5: game for them, that makes them very dangerous. But they're

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Speaker 5: not playing very well right now.

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Speaker 4: They have eighteen sacks, the Jaguars have sixty, and they

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Speaker 4: have two hundred and two million guarantees. Had a guy

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Speaker 4: named Nick Bosa who we all have seen. Here's here's

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Speaker 4: the number. The Jaguars have turned the ball over eight

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Speaker 4: times in five consecutive wins. The Niners have turned it

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Speaker 4: over seven times threeconsecutive losses, six of those from the quarterback.

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Speaker 4: So the quarterback brock Party, who last year looked like

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Speaker 4: a revelation, is mister irrelevant leading a team deep into

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Speaker 4: the playoffs. The quarterback party has to take better care

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Speaker 4: of the ball for the Niners to be able to

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Speaker 4: be the Niners.

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Speaker 1: Big ball game coming up Sunday, standing room tickets being sold.

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Speaker 1: Big broadcast crew as well, Joe Davis, Joel Johnson, Pam

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Speaker 1: Oliver on the sidelines from Fox Sports, and we'll hope

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Speaker 1: that you're at the stadium as well. If not, join

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Speaker 1: us for the public Sellgate Show ten o'clock. We've got

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Speaker 1: all our programming this week. Of course, Jags Am Wednesday, Thursday,

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Speaker 1: Huddle Up Wednesday afternoon, hellou, we got a Happy Hour

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Speaker 1: Thursday and then the Doug Peterson Show, we got it

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Speaker 1: all for you coming up. That's all for today, though,

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Speaker 1: Brian Sexist and John Ozer Kai Stevens on JP Shadwick

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Speaker 1: thank you for listening to Jaguars Reporters