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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back, George, Nori with you.

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Speaker 3: In the early two thousands, Oliver Williams discovered the posts

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Speaker 3: of time traveler John Teeter that he left onlined and

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Speaker 3: was the first person to gather them into a single

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Speaker 3: place on the internet. He started following various people involved

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Speaker 3: with the story and kept track of the many of

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Speaker 3: those predictions, which we'll talk about. More than twenty years later,

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Speaker 3: it's still a topic of mystery and fascination.

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Speaker 2: Oliver, welcome back, havev you ben my friend?

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Speaker 4: Hey George, I've been okay, It's good to talk to you.

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Speaker 4: It has been a.

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Speaker 2: While, what a story, fourteen years? Can you believe it?

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Speaker 4: You know what I don't. There was a period of

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Speaker 4: time where I almost wanted to go away, and in

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Speaker 4: the last five years and maybe last six months, things

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Speaker 4: are starting to pile up again. So you know, your

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Speaker 4: call was timely.

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Speaker 3: Perfect for people who don't know who John Teeter is

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Speaker 3: or was, tell us who he was.

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Speaker 4: All right, here's a quick recap. So back in November

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Speaker 4: of well, actually it was before that Art Bell actually

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Speaker 4: interacted with John Teeter. Back in nineteen ninety eight. It

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Speaker 4: is believed that he sent two factses to art where

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Speaker 4: he laid out the basics of time travel and he

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Speaker 4: made some predictions. Then he showed up again in November

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Speaker 4: of two thousand on the Internet at various chat rooms,

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Speaker 4: claiming to be a time traveler. He posted pictures of

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Speaker 4: his machine, he talked about how time travel worked, and

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Speaker 4: he answered any question that was given to him them

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Speaker 4: In about March of two thousand and one, he said

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Speaker 4: he was leaving, that his mission was done, and he

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Speaker 4: was leaving, and nobody really took it too seriously, just

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Speaker 4: a guy on the internet apparently. And then a little

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Speaker 4: later some of the predictions he started making started coming true.

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Speaker 4: And the one that caught my attention was what he

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Speaker 4: said about cern and the creation of black holes and

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Speaker 4: how that was going to be the beginning of the

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Speaker 4: technology that allowed his time machine to be built. So

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Speaker 4: that's when I started paying attention and started following. And

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Speaker 4: then more and more things started happening where people will

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Speaker 4: point back to what he said and say, hey, that

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Speaker 4: time travel guy talked about this. You know, since then,

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Speaker 4: a book has come out. You know, there's you know,

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Speaker 4: other things that come up about the story. I don't

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Speaker 4: know if you know. This guy named Jay Chiel is

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Speaker 4: making a documentary which is supposed to be in a

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Speaker 4: streaming service soon, and in that process I actually had

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Speaker 4: a chance to meet Larry Haber, who's the attorney that

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Speaker 4: apparently represents John's family now, and he claims that he's

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Speaker 4: got some documents and some other things that he wants

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Speaker 4: to send to me and some other folks that back

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Speaker 4: up more about what John had to say. Now, my

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Speaker 4: opinion about all this has always been I wanted to

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Speaker 4: concentrate on the posts, So if anything was said or

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Speaker 4: done after the post, I kind of take it with

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Speaker 4: a grain of salt. But that's kind of where we

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Speaker 4: are today.

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Speaker 3: Later on in the program, Oliver, I may play a

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Speaker 3: tape of Larry Haber's interview with us from a long,

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Speaker 3: long time ago, where he talked about being the attorney

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Speaker 3: for the family. It's an incredible The story itself is

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Speaker 3: bizarre and incredible, isn't it?

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Speaker 4: It is? And you know, I find it strange how

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Speaker 4: it's weaved its way as a meme into our society.

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Speaker 4: You know, the website. I haven't been keeping up with

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Speaker 4: it too much, but I do get tons of emails

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Speaker 4: still from people that are fascinated by the story, and

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Speaker 4: they're pointing things out to me that I was completely

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Speaker 4: unaware of. You know, a couple of examples. You know Marvel, Uh,

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Speaker 4: there's a what is it? The The Deadpool Guide to

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Speaker 4: super Villains, and John Teeter is one of the nicknames

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Speaker 4: for Kang the Conqueror.

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Speaker 1: I have a web alert.

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Speaker 4: Up for Google if anything comes across with John Teeter,

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Speaker 4: and I see headlines all the time that'd say stuff like, hey,

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Speaker 3: What compelled you to put together the website Johnteeter dot com.

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Speaker 4: Well, I noticed that John actually spoke on different forums.

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Speaker 4: There was like three or four of them, and he

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Speaker 4: And that was back in two thousand and three.

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Speaker 3: We'll go through some of his predictions, some that have

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Speaker 3: come true, some that have not, and some were the

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Speaker 3: time just hasn't come up yet. But he was quite

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Speaker 3: how old do you think he was, Oliver when he

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Speaker 3: was starting to mention time travel?

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Speaker 4: All right, so I'm going to pull this from memory,

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Speaker 4: was in his late thirties, like thirty eight somewhere.

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Speaker 3: In there, and he came back because he needed parts

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he was part of a military group and his

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Speaker 4: mission was to go back in time and get an obscure,

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Speaker 4: old portable computer that IBM made back in the early seventies.

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Speaker 4: And according to John you know where he came from,

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Speaker 4: And after the fact, IBM engineers started coming out of

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Speaker 4: the woodwork and saying, Yeah, this guy is right. This

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Speaker 4: did happen. We did have this feature, and we never

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Speaker 4: this guy knows a lot more than he's talking about

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, there's what's so bizarre about all this, Oliver,

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Speaker 3: that if time travel is indeed possible in the future,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting that you say that, because again and

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Speaker 4: again this is outside the posts. But this is stuff

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Speaker 4: But the reason that the posts were there was to

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Speaker 4: needed to go. And again it's it's my understanding, and

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Speaker 4: to do something with it, and that's all I know.

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Speaker 4: So my supposition would be someone's going to come back

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Speaker 3: At what point did you think this guy's not real?

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Speaker 3: Did that ever cross your mind?

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Speaker 4: You know? Okay? To me, there are three possibilities here.

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Speaker 4: One is that he really is a time traveler. Two,

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Speaker 4: he's in collusion with a lot of people and they're

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Speaker 4: pretending to be a time traveler. Or three, whoever did this,

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Speaker 4: it's just a really lucky guesser. Now, if you go

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Speaker 4: So just because you're a time traveler doesn't mean that

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Speaker 4: and they're into organizations like CERN and IBM. They know

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Speaker 4: be able to wheel all this stuff off off the cuffs.

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Speaker 4: So that's what I believe is going on.

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Speaker 3: If it was a hoax, Oliver, I don't see any

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Speaker 3: monetary gain here.

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Speaker 2: To do it.

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Speaker 4: You know, well I don't either, And I haven't made

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Speaker 2: Book cost you money?

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, yeah, it's always a pleasure talking to you. George.

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Speaker 4: There's a book out there that apparently was released by

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Speaker 4: Larry the Attorney, and I think you can still go

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Speaker 4: Larry has a cafe press store, I believe where you

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Speaker 4: can still buy you know, John Teeter t shirts and

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Speaker 4: oh it reminds me. Somebody pointed out there is a

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Speaker 3: I think I interviewed Hayber back fourteen years ago when

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Speaker 3: I chatted to you on the program, and I.

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Speaker 4: Recall wasn't wasn't Does I recall that interview. Wasn't John's mom?

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Speaker 4: Wasn't she on the phone or wasn't she off the phone?

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Speaker 4: And Larry was talking you know through her?

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Speaker 3: Yes, he had called her and was communicating with her

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Speaker 2: And do you remember that? You're right?

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Speaker 3: And I may play that clip next hour for us.

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Speaker 4: Oliver Old but Gold.

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Speaker 3: Last forever, my friend. Let's talk about some of his predictions.

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Speaker 3: What did he say that was right? What did he

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Speaker 3: say that was wrong?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 4: So a lot of his predictions were things that he

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Speaker 4: The first one that most people point to was the

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Speaker 4: this is pre nine to eleven, pre Iraq War. This

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Speaker 4: creating black holes. All of this was science fiction. You know,

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Speaker 4: On February eight, two thousand and one, John made a

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Speaker 4: June twenty third of that year. It was an eight

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Speaker 4: since I think nineteen seventy, and he directly referenced that earthquake.

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Speaker 4: He talked about the Super Bowl. Somebody asked him who

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Speaker 4: you know, John had three rules about what he was

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Speaker 4: if you asked me if it rained in New York

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Speaker 4: does that help you do anything? And basically people look

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Speaker 4: And that was one of his rules that he was

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Speaker 4: somebody to make money. That was one of his primary rules.

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Speaker 4: The other one was he wasn't gonna if you asked

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Speaker 4: him something specific about a person, he wasn't going to

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Speaker 4: So nothing about playing crashes or anything that you could

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Speaker 4: the nature of radiation. And John said Hawking was going

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Speaker 4: to change his mind, and you know he did. Hawking

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Speaker 4: now means that what John was saying is possible, It

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Speaker 4: He talked about viruses being used to fight cancer. I mean,

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Speaker 4: looks like he might have been exactly who he said

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Speaker 4: he was.

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Speaker 2: What did he say about a World War three?

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Speaker 4: John's future was different than ours, and he claimed that

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Speaker 4: has not happened for us. So our worldline acquired to

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Speaker 4: John is different than his. So after that war, he

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Speaker 4: said that the United States was recovering and that the

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Speaker 4: technology for time travel was evented in the early twenty

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Speaker 4: went on to talk about how it worked, what the

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Speaker 4: he said that it only had about a sixty mile

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Speaker 4: ar I'm sorry, a sixty year range. And the way

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Speaker 4: that he described how time travel worked, he said, the

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Speaker 4: that world line is going to look than where you left.

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Speaker 4: So if you were making if your trip was only

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Speaker 4: an you might not even recognize any changes, But if

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Speaker 4: you went sixty years, you would notice changes when you

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Speaker 4: got there. They said the usefulness of the time machine

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Speaker 4: was based on that, so that might be, you know,

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Speaker 4: one of the things that caused his war was that

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Speaker 4: it didn't happen for us. But the new idea that's

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Speaker 4: been coming out, and John sort of led to this

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Speaker 4: a little bit in the posts, is that whatever he

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Speaker 4: did in nineteen seventy five changed our world mine and

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Speaker 4: stopped World War three and stopped all that stopped y

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Speaker 4: two K And that's why things are so different for

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Speaker 4: us is because we're actually living on a timeline that

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Speaker 4: was altered by a time traveler in the year nineteen

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Speaker 4: seventy five.

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Speaker 2: Did he ever say goodbye?

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Speaker 3: Oliver?

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Speaker 4: He did, you know, before he left, he said, Hey,

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Speaker 4: this is when I'm leaving. You know, I'm turning in

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Speaker 4: my vehicles. And as a matter of fact, that's apparently

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Speaker 4: one of the documents Larry has is all of John's

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Speaker 4: car insurance policy that he can believe that. So he said,

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Speaker 4: he got rid of his car, he canceled everything, and

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Speaker 4: he was leaving, and he said goodbye, and he left,

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Speaker 4: and then that was it. Nobody's come forward saying it's him.

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Speaker 4: Nobody has come on saying anything, and he just was gone.

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Speaker 4: In March of two thousand and.

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Speaker 2: One, apparently living in Florida.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Larry is here. Actually I'm in Florida. And that

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Speaker 4: was one of the things that drew me to this,

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Speaker 4: because a lot of the places John talked about, you know,

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Speaker 4: I lived near, So I went out and checked some

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Speaker 4: of these places out. But the whole thing apparently happened

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Speaker 4: self during that period nearly two thousands.

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Speaker 3: He talked about the end of the irs. He may

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Speaker 3: have been right about that.

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Speaker 4: Yep, there were a lot of things that were different.

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Speaker 4: He said that the United States was broken into five

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Speaker 4: major sections, that the federal government was basically gone, and

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Speaker 4: things were much more decentralized. States had a lot more

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Speaker 4: right now, he said. And he described his future as

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Speaker 4: basically being high technology but a day on the farm.

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Speaker 4: So there was high speed rail, but at the same time,

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Speaker 4: when you were at your home you used a horse.

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Speaker 4: There was high speed internet that was much better. But

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Speaker 4: at the same time, you know, instead of watching videos

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Speaker 4: square and have a square dance. You know. That was

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Speaker 3: What does your gut tell you, Oliver, of those three possibilities,

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Speaker 3: and there are two that you looked at the most.

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Speaker 2: What do you think Teeter was?

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Speaker 4: I if he was a real time traveler, he had

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Speaker 4: an agenda, So I don't think I think in a

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Speaker 4: And as a matter of fact, as proof of this,

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Speaker 4: there is another website up I have nothing to do

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Speaker 4: with it. It is called the John Teeter Foundation. It

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Speaker 4: has been up for something like twenty years, and it's

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Speaker 4: a single page that looks like some sort of code

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Speaker 4: that's been up there for twenty years. I have no

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Speaker 4: idea what it is. Larry has no idea what it is.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I believe he runs the pipe. He has

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Speaker 4: no idea what it means. So if John was a

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Speaker 4: time traveler, I believe he had an agenda, and I

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Speaker 4: believe that he might not have been one hundred percent truthful.

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Speaker 4: But then I go back and forth between there's a

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Speaker 4: group of people out there that did this. I don't

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Speaker 4: know if you want to call it for fund like

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Speaker 4: scientists Ancern, guys at IBM, some physicists that somehow they

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Speaker 4: got together and did this as a prank and maybe

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Speaker 4: it just got out of hand, and you know, none

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Speaker 4: of them have come forward.

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