1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm 4 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number four eighteen, 5 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: and today on the show, I'm joined by Tony Peterson 6 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 1: to break down everything you need to know to plan 7 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: your own d I Y white tail trip. All right, 8 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,639 Speaker 1: welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you 9 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: by First Life. And I am down right now in 10 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: the great state of Iowa doing some scouting. It's uh, 11 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: it's been maybe four or five years since I've hunted 12 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: in Iowa, but this will be the year I'm finally back, 13 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: so I'm excited about that. And my buddy Tony Peterson 14 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: is here joining me. Um, we're working on a little 15 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: project down here, and it worked out well to pair 16 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: my scouting trip with this, uh, this work that we're doing. 17 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: So Tony, it's been fun. Glad you're here. Yeah, thanks 18 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 1: for having me. Man, it's been been a good weekend. 19 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: I feel like we got a lot done in a 20 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: handful of days. And um got to check out some 21 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: new land, which is always exciting, and I figured this 22 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 1: would be a good This would be good, a good 23 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: excuse to talk about a topic that you spend a 24 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: lot of time on. But I don't think we've ever 25 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: taken a full podcast for Wired Hunt with you to 26 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: go through your process. We've talked a lot about like 27 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: your specific hunts, like what happened this October, what happened 28 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: last November? How did you kill that buck? And you've 29 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: talked about different pieces and parts of things, but we've 30 00:01:54,680 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: never really dove into your full thought process around your 31 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: traveling hunting style. You do that a ton, obviously, and 32 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: I do a decent bit of it. And you know 33 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: that's part of what I'm doing right now is planning 34 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: for I've got coming up in November. So so that's 35 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: what I want to talk about. Are you game for that? Absolutely, buddy. 36 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: I will say, we gotta just lay like a little 37 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: light tease out here, because we're out here working on 38 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: this project and I'm excited about it, and I think 39 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: I think it's I can say this. I think I 40 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 1: can say that you are going to be much more 41 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: involved with a lot of Wired Hunt stuff coming up 42 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: here in the coming weeks and months and years. Um, 43 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 1: I've kind of sucked you into the wire hunting world 44 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: and it's a beautiful thing and I'm excited about it. 45 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: So so, yeah, folks can look for a lot from 46 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: you coming soon, can't they. Yeah, we are. We're working 47 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,959 Speaker 1: on all kinds of stuff right now. It's gonna be great. 48 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you, I, Um, I was talking to 49 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: my buddies last night who I've done here, and we're 50 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: talking about your involvement with it and how I honestly 51 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: do think that you know, you bring just such a 52 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: helpful set of experiences and skills from a hunting perspective, 53 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: Like you've got this wide array of experiences, You've traveled 54 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: all across the country. You're really you're really locked in 55 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: on the public land thing, but you also have done 56 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: stuff on the private land that for all those reasons, 57 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: it's great that you're getting involved with what we're doing here. 58 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: But it's also made you, you know, one of my 59 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: favorite people who talked to on the podcast, because I 60 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: always know, like I can talk to you about a 61 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: lot of different things and you can speak to it 62 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: from personal experience. You're not telling me, well, I saw 63 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: this YouTube video about how to find this thing, and 64 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: that's what I do Um, you've actually been out there 65 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: and done it, and that's that's a valuable thing. So 66 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: so yeah, a little hot tease there, big stuff coming. 67 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: It's exciting, folks. Can you know, of course follow what 68 00:03:58,320 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: we're doing here, and why hunt to see it? They 69 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: could go check out your your Instagram if they want 70 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: to start following you personally. You've got more updates and 71 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: stuff than there. What is that Tony J. Peterson on Insta? 72 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: That's there? Um, I don't know. I think that's all 73 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: we can say for now. Yeah, I think I think 74 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: the one other thing we could tease is that once 75 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 1: in a while you and I disagree on nothing strategies 76 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: and styles. That's something we should talk about today. And 77 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if we disagree, I mean we got 78 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: we do disagree on something a little bit. It's more 79 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: that we default the different approaches, Like I default in 80 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: a certain way and you default in a certain way. 81 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: And I think it stems from like our backgrounds and 82 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: you know, the things we've done to get to this point, 83 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: what we've seen work. We should we should definitely talk 84 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: about that as we get into this because I think 85 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: a lot of it applies to you know, how to 86 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: think about what you're doing on a traveling hunt, definitely, 87 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: you know. I mean we were talking about this past weekend, 88 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: just how you have to sometimes force yourself into a 89 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: different mindset when you've only got six days to get 90 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: it done versus a season, or when you're hunting in 91 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: a certain kind of place or a certain state versus others. 92 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: Those are all things that that I think we should 93 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: talk about. Um So we should talk about here to 94 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: kind of to kind of lay out a game plan. 95 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: I want to talk through, you know, how you go 96 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 1: about setting your plans, how you start thinking about things like, Okay, 97 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: it's January or February, I decided I want to hunt 98 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: a BC place. Now it's the spring, and what am 99 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: I going to do in the spring and early summer 100 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: to prepare myself for that. I know we've talked in 101 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: the past a little bit about your turkey scouting trips, 102 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Maybe talk through some of that, 103 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: move into what you're doing in the summer, and then 104 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: finally when it gets to game time and you're leaving, 105 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: let's actually talk through your mindset on these short trips 106 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: you're planning, how you start on day one and how 107 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 1: that changes by day three and so on. Um, so 108 00:05:55,440 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: that's where I want to go. Where you plan on hunt, man, 109 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: this is gonna be uh. You know, one thing, when 110 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: you ask me about something like this, it makes me 111 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: really nervous because I am just I have sort of 112 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: a framework laid out, you know, but I also can 113 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: just make a decision on the fly and just go 114 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: somewhere else. And so I kinda when when people reach 115 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: out to me about hunt planning, which happens a lot, 116 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: you know, they're they're kind of in a different place 117 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: if like that's your hunt, Like if you're gonna if 118 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: you're like I'm going to Nebraska for the first time 119 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: this year, You're gonna probably look at that a little 120 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: bit differently than I would for for a bunch of reasons. 121 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: But that's like their trip, you know, like you're you're 122 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: kind of looking at this this Iowa tag, this is 123 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: a big deal. I did the same thing last year. 124 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: You know, you're kind of that's that's taking precedence over 125 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. So you're really digging in and 126 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: trying to make and make make reasons to go scout 127 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: and just like devote that time. Like that's what most 128 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: people would do with their trips, and I feel I 129 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: almost kind of feel guilty about this. This year, I 130 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 1: have have an elk hunt that's gonna kind of rock 131 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,119 Speaker 1: my September and change change my normal plans a lot. 132 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: And so I'm kind of sitting here going, well, I know, 133 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna go to North Dakota with my 134 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: buddies because I love it out there, and so I 135 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: don't really need to I don't. I don't need to 136 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: think about that one too much. I kind of go, okay, well, 137 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: we'll pick dates that work for them. I don't really 138 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: care seasonally what it is, as long as it's not 139 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: you know, the crazy opener where everybody's trying to kill 140 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: a velvet buck or I know, it's not gonna be 141 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: a rut deal, and so I'm gonna just squeeze that 142 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: in there somewhere, and then you know, I'm gonna do 143 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: Minnesota and Wisconsin, of course, and I've got to I've 144 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: got a little pup coming it hit the ground, I 145 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: don't I don't have it yet, but I'll be picking 146 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: it up in a few weeks and so I'm gonna 147 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: be building in some bird trips. So like that's it's 148 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: it just muddies the water for like a clear white 149 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: tail plan for me. But I've got, you know, probably 150 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: five states that I'm gonna do, and you know, I 151 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: am gonna hut white tails out in Idaho to when 152 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: we're out hunting, and so that one is that's sort 153 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: of a wild card. If I run into them, they're 154 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: gonna they're gonna factor and it sounds like we might 155 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: run into them in the area we're at, and so 156 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: I just kind of I just kind of lay out 157 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: the dates and the and the states, and I go, Okay, 158 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: this is this is where I start. This is where 159 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna do. And usually this year, other 160 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: than Idaho, I don't have any like new just going 161 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: to this state or going to this area the state 162 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: that I'm super excited about. And that's that's where like 163 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: the real planning comes. And if you go you know 164 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: how it is, if you've revisit a spot, you know 165 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: you've got those year two or three or four of experience, 166 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: and so you go, I'm starting here, I camp here. 167 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: A lot of those logistics You've already covered them in 168 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: the past, and I kind of feel like that this year, 169 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: I kind of feel like I don't have tons of 170 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: new stuff to think about. So when you were doing 171 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: new spots, like when you're at that stage with a 172 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: location brand new, you decided, Man, I really want to 173 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: try Oklahoma for the first time, or I want to 174 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: try whatever what looks different in that scenario. Um, you know, 175 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: the first thing still is just settle on the time. 176 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 1: And I'm I'm starting to get a little contrarian with 177 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: some of this stuff because it's just the popularity of 178 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: public land bow hunting now and I love it, like 179 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: I love seeing people out there. It's just you know, 180 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: there's times where it's going to be crazy, and you 181 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: know those states, you know, Oklahoma is not one of them, 182 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 1: but you know those states that have an early early 183 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: opener are going to be crazy busy. The Nebraska's in 184 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: the north, Dakotas and some of the western states, Kentucky, 185 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: and then you know, the Rut it's just gonna be 186 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: that's gonna be your busy time. And so you know, 187 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: in years past, maybe when it wasn't so busy, I'd go, Okay, 188 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: do I want to hunt the Rut in Oklahoma? What's 189 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: what's that time frame look like? And when I when 190 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 1: I decide on my trip if it's November one to 191 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: the ninth or whatever. Then I start digging in a 192 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: little bit and going, Okay, where are where are these 193 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: big chunks of public or where are these where are 194 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: these like checkerboard types of public land? Where I know 195 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: I got you know, plan a through Z if I 196 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: need it. And that's that's when I started digging in. 197 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: So you gotta just if if anybody's listening to this, 198 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: they're like, I want to go do that hunt, you 199 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: gotta go, okay, what kind of what's your goal? Like 200 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: do you want to have fun? Do you want to 201 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: do an early season hunt on a you know, food 202 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: to bed pattern or whatever? Do you want to do 203 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: that rout hunt? Then you gotta look at the regulations, 204 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: like is there a youth season at the time you 205 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: want to hunt, or any of those those things that 206 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: might pop up. I need to be wearing blaze orange 207 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: and you know, dodging bullets here, Like what's what are 208 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: we dealing with? I can really change things, Oh dude, 209 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 1: it can. And you know, there's there's just so much 210 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: inconsistency from state to state on rules, you know, and 211 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: so you just you gotta gotta know that stuff and go, Okay, 212 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: if I gotta take my pt O Halloween through the 213 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: first week of November, there's nothing that's gonna nothing extra 214 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: that's really going to change my plans or I'm gonna 215 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: show up and really kind of drag down the enjoyment level. 216 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: So you just gotta pay attention to that stuff. Um 217 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: you Actually you also kind of gotta look a little 218 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: bit too if you're you know, if you let's say 219 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: you're not a saddle hunter and you want to bring 220 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 1: in a couple, you know, set the stands and sticks, 221 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: and you know, you can't leave them up right like 222 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: some states, some kinds of land, you can't leave them 223 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: up overnight. If you show up and you don't know that, like, 224 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 1: you can get in trouble be figure that out when 225 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: you get there, and you go, okay, now I really 226 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: wish I had that saddle, or I wish I had 227 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: a ground blind or you know, just how do you 228 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: want to hunt? And is there anything prohibitive there that 229 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: won't allow you to do that? And so that's and 230 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: I don't I don't say any of this stuff to 231 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: just like I don't want to disswade anybody anybody, I 232 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: just want them to understand there's a lot that you 233 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: got to look up and be confident about before you go. 234 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: That's that's one of the big hurdles to this kind 235 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: of travel is just like this seems like such a 236 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: paniastic at the tags or it seems like too much 237 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: work to like learn these new rules and play by 238 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 1: the rules. And then you know, you might you might 239 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: go to some state and hunt a wildlife management area 240 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: one day in a national forest the next, and there 241 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,719 Speaker 1: might be totally different rules. And so it's just it's 242 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: just part of the game, right And then you talk 243 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:57,719 Speaker 1: about the backside of it. If you get if you 244 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: get lucky to kill something, you know, try transportation with 245 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 1: the you know, game animal and the CWD rules and 246 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: just there's a there's a lot to know. But that's 247 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: just like the slog through the mud stuff. Gotta do it, 248 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: gotta figure it out. The fun stuff is starting to 249 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: pull up your on ax and start looking, you know, 250 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: start start figuring out where do you want to hunt. 251 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: So we talked this past fall a little bit about 252 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: just how we'd seen things changing on public land a 253 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: little bit. And you just reference the fact how busy 254 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: it's getting, and how popular it's getting, how you're avoiding 255 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: those you know, most popular times a year. When you 256 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: start looking at like the scouting the finding of locations, 257 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: you know that the typical advice when you're trying to 258 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: find not a state location, whether it's public land or 259 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 1: even some private land stuff, people will say, well, get 260 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: away from the major city centers. Try to find something 261 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: big and something that you know has like some kinds 262 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: of barriers that will stop most people from getting to 263 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: certain places, so you can find those hard to reach spots. 264 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: Like if I had to look at the most common 265 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: advice for finding places, it's that kind of stuff. Now, 266 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: my question is it's you know, it's post COVID rush 267 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: of outdoors activities. Does all that stuff still apply or 268 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 1: are you having any other kind of changes of mind 269 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: now similar to how you're switching up your dates. Are 270 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: there any of the things that are changing now because 271 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: of the increased popularity of this stuff and you're thinking 272 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: differently about the types of places you want to focus on. Um, 273 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: it's manisfactoring in there. I'm I'm treating this year like 274 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,719 Speaker 1: it's going to be like last year. I think it's 275 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: just gonna be busy out there. And you know, I 276 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: could be wrong, but I think there's gonna be a 277 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: lot of traveling hunters. And I still think we're gonna 278 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: see just we're gonna see people out there. I think 279 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,719 Speaker 1: it's gonna be busy, you know. And and the one 280 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: thing I should say, like kind of on that note, 281 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: the way that I look at this stuff is, you know, 282 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: you and I were talking about this yesterday. I when 283 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: I go on these trips, I don't I'm not filtering 284 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: in like where's my best chance to kill a big buck? 285 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: Like that? The Iowa thing is different. You know, you draw, 286 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: and I would take you start thinking that way because 287 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: it's such a it's such a realistic opportunity. But at 288 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: the same time, you know, just you get about anywhere 289 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: and you have that chance. And so I look at 290 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: these like where can I go to have a good 291 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: deer hunt? First? Like, where where can I go to 292 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: Like I love seeing lots of deer, you know. I 293 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: love sitting on my tree stand and just knowing, even 294 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: if I don't have a whole lot of faith that 295 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: you know, a hundred fifty inter is coming down the trail. 296 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: I just love going to places where I know, like, man, 297 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: I'm around a good population and I've got my shot 298 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: to to out work these deer and make something happen, 299 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: and that that kind of opens up the aperture for 300 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: me a little bit, because I don't, you know, like 301 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: the Oklahoma thing. I've i' found it down there a 302 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: few times and I love it down there, and I've 303 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: actually seen some really good box But it's more about 304 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: that state is just an awesome opportunities. It's fun. You 305 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: see a lot of stuff, you have, you have dough tags, 306 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: you have buck tags. It's just enjoyable. And you know, 307 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: we we kind of we do the same thing with 308 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: the Western hunting too, where we go, where's my best 309 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: chance to kill you know, X y Z type of trophy? 310 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: And that's okay, but you really it really changes the 311 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: planning process a lot, and I think it adds in 312 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: a level of frustration sometimes. That's that's kind of hard 313 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: to deal with, you know, because it's because it is 314 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: a low odds game, right, Like you know, if you 315 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: think you're gonna go to Nebraska on your first trip 316 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: and shoot a hunter and fifty inchre on public land, 317 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: like you probably not gonna do it, Like you might 318 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: you know, but probably not. But if you go there 319 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: kind of with realistic expectations, you're like, I just want 320 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: to hunt, and you know, if I see one that 321 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: trips my trigger, I'm gonna be super happy. And you 322 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: go into that you don't have like I always say this, 323 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: but it's like shutting a couple of the browser windows 324 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: and you're just like, Okay, now where do I find 325 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: the spot that looks like I want to hunt it? 326 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun because you know, we we think 327 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: about this stuff. But if you we were looking at 328 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: all this different ground down here in Iowa, and if 329 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: it wasn't Iowa and you looked at it, if you 330 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: didn't know where you were, you could still pick every 331 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: block of timber we walked into and probably say there's 332 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: a buck that uses this every day that I'd be 333 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: really happy to see coming down the trail, you know 334 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: what I mean. And so you go show up in 335 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: I don't care what state it is, you're gonna make 336 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: that trip down to Kentucky. You walk into the woods, 337 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: you're already there with a buck that would make you 338 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: you're calling the taxi German is probably plus a whole 339 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: bunch of other deer and so it's kind of like 340 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: that's kind of like a wash. So what do you 341 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: what do you want to do with your time? Like, 342 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: what's what's gonna be really fun for you? Like? How 343 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: do you want to hunt in? Do you need five thousand, 344 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: ten thousand, twenty acres to get away from people? Or 345 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: are you ok kind of bumping elbows with and a 346 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: few more folks on you know, a hundred twenty acres 347 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: if it's if it's the kind of place you want 348 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: to hunt? Yeah, have you like, how have the things 349 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: you want to hunt have? What am I trying to say? 350 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: How is that changed for you? So? Are you now 351 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: more interested? It sounds like you just want to have, 352 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of deer sightings. But how are 353 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: you shifting when it comes to people. Are you more 354 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: comfortable around people because it's just happening or do you 355 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: find yourself wanting to avoid more people more often and 356 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: get off the radar even if it's less quality deer hunting. 357 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 1: I would take less quality and fewer people, you know, 358 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: I just I just like, I mean, I'm like everybody right, 359 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: we just you know, you don't want to be sitting 360 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: there and see somebody you know, walking through or whatever, 361 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: and it the thing that sucks it. It really colors 362 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: your your trip in a negative way sometimes. And what 363 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: it is, it's not like the dude who comes walking through, 364 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: you know, going to kind of hunt the same way 365 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: you are. It's the guy who drives down the road 366 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: that's not supposed to be driving, or brings the four 367 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: wheeler into the place, and it just it changes the 368 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: tempo of everything, you know, or the people who are 369 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: just like kind of blatantly disregard like that. There might 370 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,479 Speaker 1: be other hunters out there that kind of sucks, but 371 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: it's just you know, it's part of the game now 372 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: and I'm I'm just if I can, if i can 373 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: get away from them somehow. I'm looking for that, you know. 374 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit about the scouting you 375 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: would do leading into that. Um, you know, I know 376 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 1: you do a decent a good amount of east scouting. 377 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: We don't need to cover this in too much detail, 378 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: but what are a few of the things that you're 379 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: thinking about when going through the scouting process. Um, I mean, 380 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: we know the basics. We're gonna be looking at maps, 381 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna look for depending on the time of year, 382 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 1: there hunting, you're gonna be looking for a while. If 383 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 1: it's early season, where do I think the food sources are, 384 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: and where do I think the other hunters are coming in, etcetera. 385 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: But what are the few what are a few of 386 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: the next level things that you're thinking about at this 387 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: stage in the game for you when you are trying 388 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: to figure out, you know, what it is you want 389 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: out of a hunt. We are a couple of the 390 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: key key factors that play into your eat scouting man, 391 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: you know, specifically to this year and the kind of 392 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: hunting I'm gonna do because I know I'm I'm dealing 393 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 1: with a mid season situation where it's going to be 394 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: kind of that traditional lull or the late September stuff 395 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 1: I'm looking for. I'm not looking for food a whole lot. 396 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: You know. I know that by the time I get 397 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: to anywhere I'm gonna be hunting, the food situation is 398 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 1: going to be at least killing something on a food 399 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,239 Speaker 1: source is just probably not gonna happen, right, And so 400 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: I'm digging in for those little water sources, those those 401 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: those places that are just harder to access. You know, 402 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm looking for something that I gotta work 403 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 1: for to get into a little bit. And you know, 404 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: it's a it's a weird thing like you and I've 405 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: been talking about. On this trip. We did a lot 406 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: of we had a lot of discussions about this before 407 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: we left, and you know, there are times where we're 408 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: kind of like struggling, Okay, what are we gonna do? 409 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: How are we gonna do this? And then we get 410 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: into the woods and it's just flow state. You're just like, oh, 411 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: look at this, look at this, and you just you 412 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: realize that the the front end stuff for east scouting 413 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: and you're planning is like so important to just lay 414 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: that framework and just lay the groundwork of like, Okay, 415 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 1: I know what's here. I know, I like the looks 416 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: of this water hole. I know, I like the looks 417 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: of this ridge. Uh, this a little swamp back in 418 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,959 Speaker 1: here looks pretty cool. But until you get in and 419 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: look at them, then then everything starts to gel and 420 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: you just discover all this other stuff. And I you know, 421 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: I've been I've been writing about this quite a bit lately, 422 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: where you know, I get the east scouting wrong all 423 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: the time, you know what I mean, Like I look 424 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: at something and I'll go, that's my spot. And really 425 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: what it does is just get me into the woods 426 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: to look at that spot, and along the way you 427 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: find that fence crossing that's pounded, or you just there's 428 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: something else, and it's just it's like, uh, it's just 429 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: like a trick to get you into the woods sometimes 430 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 1: so you find what you really need to find. You know. 431 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,360 Speaker 1: Sometimes you show up and you're like, well, like, how 432 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,959 Speaker 1: I nailed this, Like I am an expert, I got this. 433 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: And then but most of the time you show up 434 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 1: and you're like that this isn't This isn't how I 435 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: expected it to look. It's way it's way more open, 436 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: or there's cattle in here. Just it's just not right. 437 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: But it's getting me in there looking and in that 438 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: process us to walking and with a little bit of 439 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 1: a plan, you go, there's where I need to be 440 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: now or if this isn't it, I know a plan 441 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: B better be something good. Yeah, And I think that's 442 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: part of the that's part of the process that we 443 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 1: talked about where such an important part of any kind 444 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: of out of state hunt is having a whole bunch 445 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: of options, and that starts on the east scouting side. 446 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: Because if you can go into a hunt with you know, 447 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: this spot and this spot and this spot and this 448 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: but not just like a tree stand location possibly, but 449 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: I'm talking about chunks of ground or properties or whatever 450 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: that you know, Okay, this sure looks good. This I 451 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: think is gonna be my plan A. But if you 452 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: just do that, you have a plan A, and you 453 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 1: spend a ton of time studying that parcel and you 454 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: really think about it, and you've got all these ideas, 455 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: and then you show up and it's not like you 456 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: expected and you hadn't had a whole bunch of other options. 457 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: Then you're sitting there s o L and think you're 458 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: scrambling trying to figure okay, I need to or something 459 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 1: else out. Or the opposite is that you're so wetted 460 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: to this original idea that you don't even allow yourself 461 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: to look at other options because you're like, I gotta 462 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: make this work. This was supposed to be so good. 463 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 1: And so I think, especially for newer people, that's a 464 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: temptation that could could easily lead to a rough trip. 465 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: So I mean, it's a simple thing, but have a 466 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: bunch of pre planned options so that when you go 467 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: in there to that first place you scouted out online 468 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: and it doesn't look like you wanted to, Or you 469 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: show up on the first day of the hunt and 470 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: there's nine other guys in there that you can say, Okay, 471 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: no big deal, I've got a plan B. And you 472 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: can show up a plan being give it a shot, 473 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,959 Speaker 1: and what this whether scouting or hunting, same thing, show up, 474 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: take a look, and if it's not right, all right, 475 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: no sweat off my back. I've got a plan seat 476 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: and you keep on going down the list, and it 477 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 1: makes that like that transition from this is what I 478 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: expected and it wasn't what I expected. Now what Those 479 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: moments can be so stressful, they can be so um paralyzing, 480 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: they can be they can really make or break a hunt. 481 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: And it is a night and day difference if you 482 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: find yourself in those moments, whether we don't have other 483 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: options or if you do. If you do have those 484 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: other options, it is just all right, onto the next thing. 485 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: But there's such a like a I don't know, not 486 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: cognitive dissonance, but there's such like a stress that is 487 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 1: applied when you're stuck there trying to fare only what 488 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: to do next, when you don't have something in your 489 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: back pocket. So if anything, I think the scouting is 490 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: so important just to lay out a bunch of options, 491 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: even if they're not super well thought out, even if 492 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: they're not all the very best thing in the world. 493 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: I think, just like you said, like just having options, 494 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: just having different spots that you can go to that 495 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: you can quickly be like, all right, next, I've got it, 496 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: just makes you feel better and that sometimes makes the 497 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 1: difference absolutely. I mean when I when I drew that 498 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: I would take last year, I had a stupid amount 499 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: of way points dropped and I had actually I had 500 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: gone in there the spring before I drew a turkey 501 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: tag down there, and I found a spot where I 502 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, this is this is gonna 503 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: be my ticket, and went in there the the first 504 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: morning I was there turkey hunting. Hiked way back and 505 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: there was the It was the farthest you could get 506 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: on this property, on these chunks of public land. You 507 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: couldn't you couldn't find a place there that you could 508 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: go farther in and it was it was a hall. 509 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: I went in there and immediately called in a great 510 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 1: big tom killed him and looked around and I was like, 511 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: this is where I'm gonna kill my big buck when 512 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: I draw. And when I got out there, when I 513 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: drew the tag and got down there to hunt, there 514 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: was it was one of the few parking lots that 515 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 1: had people in it, and so I just said, Okay, 516 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'll just backburner this sucker and I'll go 517 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: to B C, D. And I ended up never hunting 518 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: that spot. I went in there and walked around an 519 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: area of it, and it was it had some potential, 520 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: but it was just like it was just not what 521 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: I expected, you know. And I I'm telling you, I'm 522 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: like way glossing over this. I had my hopes pinned 523 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 1: on this, Like I was like, this is the place, 524 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: and I found a bunch of other stuff and marked it. 525 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: But I was like in my head, like you don't 526 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: need anywhere else, dude, like this is it. And I 527 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 1: never hunted it because there were people there. And the 528 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: one time that I skipped in the middle of the 529 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: day when there was nobody there just to look around, 530 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: it just it wasn't. This wasn't what I was expecting. 531 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: But my B, C and D spots all had really 532 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: good buck concentrations in it, and I actually killed my 533 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: buck in my d spot, like it was like it 534 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: was good, but it wasn't you know, the other one. 535 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: And I think I think one thing that you realize 536 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: when you do these kind of trips a lot is 537 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: that you're gonna settle for stuff, Like you gotta get 538 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 1: comfortable settling for stuff, but like you have to do 539 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 1: it in the right way, and so you know you 540 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: might you might not have the greatest tree. Take it 541 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: like a creek crossing. You look at it, it's pounded. 542 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: You're like, I gotta hunt this right now that I 543 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: know they're coming through here. But you only got a 544 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: couple of options, and all the trees suck, so you 545 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: settle for the one that sucks the least, and you 546 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 1: know it maybe not be very comfortable, it may not 547 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: offer you the cover you need, but it's like this 548 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: is the spot that's like a good settle right, Like 549 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: that's a calculated risk, but just settling for an area 550 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: because you only you scouted one area and you're like, wow, 551 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: this is this is gonna be good enough for me. 552 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: Like you see, first time elk hunters do this a lot. 553 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: They'll they'll look at their unit out in Colorado and 554 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: they'll go, man, look at this meadow, look at this bench, 555 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: look at this little wallow. You know, they see this 556 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: stuff and they go, there's no way a bull is 557 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: not going to show up there. And they go out 558 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: there and there's no way a bull is going to 559 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: show up there after day one and they ride it out. 560 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: And that's a little bit different because the density said situation. 561 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: But white tail hunters do that too, like this is 562 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: my spot. I'm gonna go crawl around these hills and 563 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna arrow one from the ground. And 564 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 1: you get out there and the density is way lower 565 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: than you expect, and there's you know, prairie grouse hunters 566 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: out there, and all of a sudden, the whole dynamic changes. 567 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: And if you don't have you don't have that life 568 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: raft built in some other spots, it's tough. So I 569 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: know you do. We've talked about this in past a 570 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: little bit, but I think we have to touch on 571 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: at least some um. You know, you head out for 572 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: a turkey hunting trip and get a little scouting in, 573 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: or for whatever reason, you're able to skip over to 574 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: one of these places and get on the ground before 575 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: the season. A couple key things like what's the most 576 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 1: important stuff for you these days? With those on the 577 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: ground scouting trips preseason. For me, I used to think 578 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,679 Speaker 1: that I wanted to cover every square inch, and then 579 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,959 Speaker 1: I wanted to pick the tree, and then I wanted 580 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: to set the stands, and I wanted to be like 581 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: really really overprepared. And more recently I've shifted a little 582 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: bit too. I'm now I want to lay the land. 583 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: I want a handful of places that I feel good 584 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: about this area, this area, in this area, and then 585 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: I'm actually going to be more focused on I'm gonna 586 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: show up in season, see what stuff looks like in 587 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: the season, and and and make some setups right then 588 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 1: and there. I'm not going to make a decision on 589 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: stands until the season, and I'm gonna get in unt 590 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 1: an observation standard something and then move. And I'm putting 591 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 1: more of my hopes on the actual, in the moment 592 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: stuff and less of six months ahead of time. That's 593 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: where I personally am with things. What's that look like 594 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: for you? UM A little bit different? Maybe you know 595 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: I the Turkey thing. What I'm what I'm doing on 596 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: those trips is you know, a I love turkey hunting, 597 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,959 Speaker 1: I just like go and run around chasing turkeys, But 598 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: it's just about identifying the places that I know I'm 599 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: going to enjoy hunting. So I and I talked about 600 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: this a lot, but like, I think it's really important. 601 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: You know, this kind of goes back to the you know, 602 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: planning around a big buck thing versus planning around just 603 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: having a badass week that you really enjoy. And you know, 604 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: like they're not mutually exclusive. Like you can go have 605 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: a lot of fun and kill big bucks. But I know, 606 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: just from quite a bit of experience, if if I 607 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: go in the camping situation is rough, then that's like 608 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: a that's a knock, right, Like that's just not as 609 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: much fun. If I have to camp somewhere twenty miles 610 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: away from where I hunt, and it changes the whole logistics. 611 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: I don't like that if it's uh, you know, just 612 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: not the kind of ground that I like hunting for 613 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: some reason, and so like not to just like I'll 614 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: use a different example. A couple of years ago, Buddy 615 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: and I drove down in Nebraska. We were gonna bow 616 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: hunt a couple of days turkeys, and then we were 617 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: going to gun hunt. We were right. We were in 618 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: the early bow season, right on the shotgun opener, and 619 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: part of it was because we had driven through the 620 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: year before on a different turkey hunt and just spent 621 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: a little bit of time in this area and it 622 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: was really cool, like it had had the right creek 623 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: bottoms and it was kind of rolling hills and it 624 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: was like you just looked at it and you're like, 625 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: this sets up like maybe a fun kind of not 626 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: a not a deer hunt that we're used to, you know, 627 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: not just deciduous for us, not egg fields the same way. 628 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: And so we went back and we we bow hunted 629 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: and satin blinds and that was fun. But when we 630 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: got out with the shotguns, when that opening we were 631 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: running the hills, then I was like, this is just 632 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: a cool area. There's a couple of different kinds of 633 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: properties and it just I was like I could come 634 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: back here. I know the bucks are gonna be there. 635 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: There's gonna be bucks here. It's gonna be good enough, 636 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: but it's gonna be really fun, good camping. Um, you know, 637 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: you got access to a decent town, not crazy far 638 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: away in case you need something, but it just had 639 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: and it had room to spread out. You know, you 640 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: could get away from people. I'm looking for that like 641 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: and I know, you know, whether I ever see a 642 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: deer on their turkey hunting or find an antler or 643 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: any of that stuff. You know, you're out there, you 644 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: see the sign. You know, you can kind of get 645 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,719 Speaker 1: a feel for the the population around and go is 646 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: you know this isn't a waste land here there here? 647 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: And so then you just go, okay, should we come 648 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: back here on the opener? And that's that that's particular 649 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:05,959 Speaker 1: spot we did go back on the opener and that's 650 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: where we arrowed those two velvet bucks back to back 651 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: on that one trip a couple of years ago, and 652 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: it was just the whole groundwork thing was laid out 653 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: just because we had a fun turkey hunting trip and 654 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: I knew hunting there was gonna be fun. Yeah, you 655 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: have something be said about that, And you know, we 656 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: we've touched on a little bit when you mentioned, you know, 657 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: thinking about what's gonna make you happy. But when it 658 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: comes to goal setting goals for these types of trips, 659 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: how is that? I mean maybe you've already answered it. 660 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: How is how is your thought process on goals for 661 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: these trips? Evolved. That's something that we've talked about other 662 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: times is I sometimes have been I often get locked 663 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: into like one goal, and I feel like you are 664 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: more able to evolve your your goals sometimes. What's worth 665 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: talking about there as far as a couple of key things, Um, 666 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: you know my goals are, They're all over the place. 667 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: Like I don't. I don't. I don't go into most 668 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: of my hunts thinking I know what I want, right, 669 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: Like I know, if I'm hunting northern Wisconsin and a 670 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: tennants er comes down the trail, I'm gonna be losing 671 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: my mind, right Like if I draw an eyewa tag, 672 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: I'm not picking my bow up when that deer comes 673 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: down the trail. I want to enjoy that because I'm 674 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: only going to get five Ayowa hunts in my life, 675 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: you know. But it's really for me. This This is 676 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: a weird one because we talked about this all the 677 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: time where it's like I'm going to Kansas and I 678 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: want a one forty plus and I was like, you know, 679 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,479 Speaker 1: kind of joke, like okay, like a hundred pointer comes 680 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: down the trail, You're not you know what I mean? 681 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: But what I what I found in my life I 682 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: I spent I've been like you, let me put it 683 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: this way, I've I've been more goal focused and You're 684 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: you're just kind of weird like that way, like I 685 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: I see it hanging out with you. They you you 686 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: look at this stuff a lot differently than I do now. 687 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: But back when I was tournament fishing, or back when 688 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: I started out as like a freelance writer and I 689 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,479 Speaker 1: felt I had something to prove, I was, I was 690 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: like really trying to stay in that lane of like 691 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: what do you gotta do to get exercise? Buck dead? 692 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: And what I realized is I didn't enjoy it as 693 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: much like I burned myself out tournament fishing, I burned 694 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: myself out bow hunting to some extent where I'm like, 695 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: I know, if I put all this time into this state, 696 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: i could probably get a crack at a good one, 697 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: but I'm not. I'm not having that much fun. And 698 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: what I started to just back off of that and 699 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: just go where can I go that I know like 700 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: personally is going to do it for me? And then 701 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: I started killing more big bucks anyway, Like I started 702 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: just hunting like I'm I'm just hunting deer here. And 703 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: then you see something happen, You're like, Okay, well I'm 704 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: gonna move on that one because he's here, and he 705 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: gave me an opportunity and my success on like big 706 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: public land box. It got better when I felt like 707 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: I cared a little bit less about killing big public 708 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: land bucks and just having more fun hunting. That was interesting. 709 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: Could you point to, like any actual things you did 710 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: differently from h and I guess let's move into the 711 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: season a little bit. So you're showing up to hunt 712 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: now that you hunt in this kind of way compared 713 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: to ten years ago, Tony, when you show up on 714 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: day one for a hunt, how does that look different 715 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: than it used to look ten fifteen years ago? Like, 716 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: what's that beginning stage look like now? Traveling hunt? You've 717 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: got five days or six days or whatever. Pay attention 718 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: to all the deer. So when I when I started, 719 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: I made the first my like, So I grew up 720 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: hunting a mix of public and private. Right, never killed anything, 721 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,839 Speaker 1: you know, very rarely until I got into like later 722 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: in high school and then in college. But even you know, 723 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 1: when I was twelve thirteen, we would we would hunt 724 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: public and private. Never it was rough. I didn't know 725 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 1: what we didn't know what the hell we were doing, 726 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: but we just hunted deer, just like we're going wherever. 727 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:00,839 Speaker 1: Like if there's a deer trail here and there's lots 728 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: of tracks on it, that's where we're gonna sit, you know. 729 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: Like we weren't like, oh here's a big roun. You know, 730 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: we we like that stuff. But it wasn't. It didn't 731 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: play in and when I when I decided when I 732 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: went freelance, I'm like, I'm gonna try to I'm gonna 733 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: try to kill some big bucks in public lands. How 734 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: this goes? Like, I'm gonna devote my time to this. 735 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,359 Speaker 1: What I what I realized right away was you can 736 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: focus on big deer in one spot, or you can 737 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 1: you can focus on deer in a bunch of spots. 738 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: Like I couldn't. I couldn't do both very well. And 739 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 1: so I was paying attention like I found when I traveled, 740 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 1: I was paying attention to all the deer and that 741 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: that you know, like if you see some does come 742 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: down across the river, but no bucks, Like if you 743 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: think about that one way, you could be like, well 744 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: that's there's no bucks. Using that the other way is 745 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: like I just watched it one night, and I didn't 746 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: see bucks go. But I've watched deer very naturally come 747 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: down and use this crossing Like how you use that matters. 748 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: And so we often go into these hunts, especially if 749 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 1: we have these high expectations in these good big box states. 750 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: Then yeah, you see some doughs come out into the 751 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,399 Speaker 1: you know, the beans on this walking area or something. 752 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 1: You go, there's no box here, Well, you saw those 753 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,479 Speaker 1: deer do that. It didn't mean much because the deer 754 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: you want isn't there. I would look at that sometimes 755 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: and go, I'm just gonna move over there. Maybe I'll 756 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 1: shoot one of those doughs, but I want to be 757 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: where those doughs came into the field. And then you 758 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: move over there, and if you plan it right, what 759 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,800 Speaker 1: you're trying to do now the does come out and 760 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, this is cool. I'm around deer. And 761 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,320 Speaker 1: then you look back in the brush and you know 762 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: a hundred yards away they're staging back there, and you go, oh, like, 763 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: just now now the game has changed. I've felt like 764 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff has happened to me like that, 765 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: where just hunting deer versus like laser focus on the 766 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,400 Speaker 1: big box has changed how I bump into the big box. 767 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: Give me some other other examples like that, because that's 768 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,879 Speaker 1: that's a you're right, You're absolutely right that a lot 769 00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: of people and I have done this too. You can 770 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: laser focused on just like what are the bucks telling you? 771 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 1: And or what you're waiting to see a mature buck? 772 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 1: And if I don't see one and it's moving going 773 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 1: somewhere else completely paying no attention to whatever, I soften 774 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 1: the other deer. What are some other examples of ways 775 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,919 Speaker 1: you might think that way and apply to I think, 776 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: I think just like understanding how how random it kind 777 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,919 Speaker 1: of is, and so like that that scenario there where 778 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 1: if you see der does come out and then you 779 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: move in, they see a staging area moving on him. 780 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: We have this, and the hunting media has done a 781 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 1: really good job of of, you know, showing you know, 782 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 1: different shows where it's like, okay, we're getting pictures of 783 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,720 Speaker 1: this giant non typically it's coming to the food plot. 784 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: You know, every time the wind blows out of the east, 785 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 1: this guy comes in from here. We're gonna go in 786 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 1: tonight because I've got a perfect east wind and and 787 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,359 Speaker 1: we're we're sort of convinced that there's there's more predictability 788 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 1: out there then there is. And you know you see 789 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 1: this with trail cameras too, like this, this is why 790 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 1: trail cameras are so awesome but so frustrating, Like why 791 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 1: is this big bastard here only once every three weeks? 792 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: Who knows? But the thing about if you hunt deer 793 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,360 Speaker 1: as you go out there, and I've seen this, like 794 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 1: Oklahoma is a perfect example. If I just sometimes I 795 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 1: just go hunt dumb spots where I'm like, I want 796 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: to fill a doughteg, like I want to. This looks 797 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: like a place where a ton of deer come in 798 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 1: here to feed in this you know, public bean field 799 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: or whatever. And you sit there and one night it 800 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 1: is five does that come out? And the next night 801 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 1: there's eleven deer out there and two of them are 802 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 1: poping young bucks, Like why, like what what's going on there? 803 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 1: And if you're not, if you're hunting deer actively like 804 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:39,839 Speaker 1: that and you're just kind of like, I just want 805 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,719 Speaker 1: to be around deer like I want to. I want 806 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,959 Speaker 1: to put myself in a position where there's deer. Those 807 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 1: big ones show up and you see different deer on 808 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,319 Speaker 1: different nights. Now, I know it's different if you're like, 809 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 1: you know, you talk about your lease a lot in 810 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 1: in Michigan and you you get really familiar with those deer, 811 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,839 Speaker 1: you know, like you you get to learn that land 812 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,439 Speaker 1: and those deer very well, and you encounter them a lot. 813 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 1: If you're driving out to South Dakota for a five 814 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: day hunt, like it's that's an entirely different setup, and 815 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,360 Speaker 1: you don't know who lives there, and you don't know 816 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: who's going to come out, And if you get on 817 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: that river crossing today, you have no idea who's coming 818 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 1: through there in the morning or the evening, or if 819 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 1: what you saw last night is indicative of what you'll 820 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,920 Speaker 1: see today. I just I love that. So here's one 821 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: of these ultimate conundrums, um that ties back to another 822 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 1: thing we we debated or just kind of ruminated on 823 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 1: a little bit this weekend, which is you're in a 824 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: situation like this, you're hunting a new place and you 825 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 1: hunt night one and you didn't see what you want 826 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: to see, but you're in a spot that looks damn good, 827 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 1: Like you feel like really confident this is the kind 828 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,279 Speaker 1: of spot that something should move through, but it didn't 829 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 1: happen on day one, Um, one frame of or one 830 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 1: point of view might be moved. Keep moving until you 831 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,360 Speaker 1: find them, or you hunt day one and wasn't the 832 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,239 Speaker 1: way you want to be? Be mobile? Keep them on 833 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 1: there at toes, don't let these dear figure you out. 834 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 1: You gotta keep moving. So that's like one philosophy. But 835 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 1: then there's the other philosophy, which could be you know, 836 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 1: you just there, random deer movements, random Maybe you're in 837 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 1: the perfect spot, but the bucks and the deer just 838 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,360 Speaker 1: happened to not be either night if you were to 839 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 1: wait it out and hunt it again the next day, 840 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,480 Speaker 1: or if you were there on day three, out of 841 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,280 Speaker 1: the of the the next one, here he comes strolling 842 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: right along. So how do you think about these two approaches, 843 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,360 Speaker 1: like the staying mobile and always moving versus a volume 844 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,360 Speaker 1: approach where sometimes you're in a place that you just 845 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 1: got to write it out? Do you like? Does that 846 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,760 Speaker 1: does that cont echotomy enter your your mind throughout hunts? 847 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 1: And how do you think about that? Yeah, it's all 848 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: about what you believe, man, Like I think you know obviously, 849 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,479 Speaker 1: Like the most obvious example there is the rut hunt. 850 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: If you if you get on a just a killer 851 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 1: pinch point or something, and you're just like somebody in 852 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 1: the next couple of days is coming through here. Then 853 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 1: that's that's a different scenario and a good one, Like 854 00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 1: you know, I've I've done that. I did that the 855 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,440 Speaker 1: last time I hun in North Dakota during the rut. 856 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I found a spot was that was just 857 00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,359 Speaker 1: like it's it's gonna happen here. I just gotta put 858 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 1: in the time. And I had entire dark to dark sits. 859 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:10,799 Speaker 1: Like the day before I killed my buck, I sat 860 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: dark to dark and I saw a four key. But 861 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 1: I came back and I sat there four days and 862 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,440 Speaker 1: I killed a buck on the fourth day. But it 863 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,480 Speaker 1: was because it was a setup, right, like it was 864 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,440 Speaker 1: that was the trap that was gonna work. You know. 865 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 1: Other times it's just how much do you believe it? 866 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 1: You know, like I kind of if I show up 867 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 1: to some public land and I give it a morning 868 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,439 Speaker 1: in an evening or usually an evening down the morning, Uh, 869 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 1: if it's just not humming and I don't believe it, 870 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 1: I'm gone, you know. But if it's kind of dependent 871 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 1: on the density of deer, you know, if you're in 872 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,239 Speaker 1: the big woods of Wisconsin versus some place I got 873 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,000 Speaker 1: a ton of deer or what are you on? You know, 874 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 1: like what's what's the sign? Look like you might have 875 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,839 Speaker 1: just had a night where they just it wasn't it 876 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,600 Speaker 1: wasn't right for that spot. But what if you're on 877 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,239 Speaker 1: this like banging acorn drop and the signs everywhere like 878 00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,439 Speaker 1: are the acorn still raining down? Then the deer still 879 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 1: gonna come and it the same thing happens like with 880 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,680 Speaker 1: the water set up. You know, I talked about sitting 881 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 1: water all the time. Some deer out there are gonna 882 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,799 Speaker 1: go drink every day in one of those ponds like 883 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,719 Speaker 1: or or come down to that little creek crossing like 884 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,399 Speaker 1: you know, you might be able to if you don't 885 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 1: feel like you're blowing them out of there, keep her 886 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 1: riding that sucker out. But it's like a you know, 887 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: like do you have your faith? Because if you don't, 888 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 1: then you're gonna start moving around and if you don't 889 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,440 Speaker 1: believe in it, you know how that goes, Like it 890 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,560 Speaker 1: hits eleven o'clock in the morning, You're like, this sucks, 891 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: I haven't seen anything. You start moving around, You're on Facebook, 892 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:29,440 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you look over and 893 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,640 Speaker 1: there he is. And it's just it's a headspace thing 894 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: and it's tough. And if you're if you just need 895 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,439 Speaker 1: that new view, go ahead, go take it, you know. Yeah, 896 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,200 Speaker 1: So what do you say to the guy or girl 897 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:44,440 Speaker 1: that doesn't have the amount of experience you have to know, 898 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,560 Speaker 1: you know, if they should be confident in the spot. 899 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 1: So someone who's been doing this a handful of years, 900 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,720 Speaker 1: but they're like, god, I mean, this looks right, I think, 901 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,080 Speaker 1: But they always end with that, I think, and they 902 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,120 Speaker 1: don't have the ability to say the rock solid shore 903 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,759 Speaker 1: like in kind of scenario, how do you how do 904 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,839 Speaker 1: you proceed? Would you air in one way or the other? Um? So, 905 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,520 Speaker 1: I think you and I talked about this quite a 906 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:13,080 Speaker 1: big yesterday and it kind of reminded me of something else. 907 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,680 Speaker 1: I was sitting here last night I thought about it 908 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,759 Speaker 1: was you know, we talked about Buck Sign all the time. 909 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,000 Speaker 1: We've been looking at every freaking rubb and scrape, but 910 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:21,799 Speaker 1: we've seen him, We're and I was, we've seen a 911 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:26,319 Speaker 1: lot of them. But the interesting stuff is sitting there 912 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 1: looking through these woods which are pretty open, and seeing 913 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,280 Speaker 1: that freaking pounded trail going through the woods, or seeing 914 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,360 Speaker 1: like a couple of fence crossings we've walked up to. 915 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 1: It's like, Holy cow. And so I would say, like 916 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 1: if somebody's new and they're heading out there wherever, and 917 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,719 Speaker 1: they're gonna do this trip, and I hope you do. 918 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,200 Speaker 1: Like one way that I get a ton of confidence 919 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,000 Speaker 1: in the spot is just how pounded are the trails 920 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 1: or like how like sometimes you walk to you've seen this, 921 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 1: Like on a western river, you'll find a crossing and 922 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,800 Speaker 1: there's like a sandbar, you know, like there'll be a 923 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,600 Speaker 1: few different river features where they it's not just a 924 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,759 Speaker 1: straight across thing that work their way out and and 925 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,560 Speaker 1: stay in a little riffle or whatever. And some of 926 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 1: those sandbars you get to you look at and you go, 927 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,640 Speaker 1: oh my god, there's a billion deer tracks here. Like 928 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,000 Speaker 1: that's I would rather have that than the biggest signpost 929 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:15,719 Speaker 1: rub ever, because that tells me just lots of deer 930 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,880 Speaker 1: coming through, and if lots of deer coming through, one 931 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,879 Speaker 1: of them is probably a good one. And it made 932 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,000 Speaker 1: me like, you know, I'm scouting turkeys with my little 933 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,520 Speaker 1: girls right now, and where we have our blinds set 934 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,840 Speaker 1: up and I've got some cameras are just the places 935 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,399 Speaker 1: in some of these fields and on some of these 936 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 1: roads that are pounded in tracks, because I know that's 937 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 1: just like okay, that's just a concentration occruiters coming through 938 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,600 Speaker 1: here over and over again, and it's it's elementary stuff, 939 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,359 Speaker 1: but it will put you in a position if if 940 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,880 Speaker 1: not to kill that buck, you might want maybe to 941 00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,520 Speaker 1: see them or to see you know, you might go 942 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,680 Speaker 1: out someplace in the beginning October and see a bunch 943 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,040 Speaker 1: of doughs and scrappers crossed this river crossing or or 944 00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,800 Speaker 1: travel through the hills somehow, and it's just very consistent 945 00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,920 Speaker 1: move and you go, man, if I was here during 946 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,560 Speaker 1: the rut, who's going to be doing that same movement? 947 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,840 Speaker 1: And that that kind of information, that kind of experience, 948 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,840 Speaker 1: like I think it's just so valuable. Yeah, what about 949 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,080 Speaker 1: key things as far as the features that you're looking 950 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,239 Speaker 1: for on these trips, because you made a comment how 951 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,959 Speaker 1: you don't pay attention to food very much anymore because 952 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,680 Speaker 1: it's just getting pounded by everybody else, but you do 953 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,400 Speaker 1: tend to like water. Can you elaborate a little bit 954 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,600 Speaker 1: on any other things like that or any specifics when 955 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,200 Speaker 1: it comes to you know, for someone heading out for 956 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:33,960 Speaker 1: this kind of thing, and they're trying to start wrapping 957 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,440 Speaker 1: their head around Like my focus areas um again, Like 958 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,200 Speaker 1: we hear food, you hear look for buck beds, we 959 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,120 Speaker 1: hear um get away from people. But a lot of 960 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,799 Speaker 1: this stuff is it's kind of generic and it's hard 961 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,000 Speaker 1: to like really wrap your head around this, especially if 962 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,400 Speaker 1: you're on the newer side of things. So are there 963 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,400 Speaker 1: any specific types of things you might say? Man, Like, 964 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,239 Speaker 1: I'll give you I'll answer my question for you with 965 00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,239 Speaker 1: an example. And like you said yesterday, like you really 966 00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,440 Speaker 1: like a water source that's hidden in the cover, do 967 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,000 Speaker 1: you have any specific stuff like that that could be 968 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,160 Speaker 1: on someone's list of Man, I should keep an eye 969 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:14,360 Speaker 1: out for these couple of things, just anything that the 970 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,480 Speaker 1: deer might use every day of the season. So the 971 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,080 Speaker 1: food source thing, I mean, I don't mean to minimize 972 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:21,759 Speaker 1: that because it factors in you know. I mean, you 973 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,640 Speaker 1: go out, so I don't care where you are, some 974 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,160 Speaker 1: random chunk of public and there's an egg nearby that 975 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,440 Speaker 1: you're thinking about that even if you can't hunt it, 976 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,120 Speaker 1: even if it's not on the property you can hunt. 977 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,759 Speaker 1: You know, that's where x amount of deer going. It's 978 00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,839 Speaker 1: a destination food source and that just you just put 979 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,520 Speaker 1: that in like, Okay, I know this, this is this 980 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,880 Speaker 1: is something I can absolutely know. I can't use it 981 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,080 Speaker 1: any other way than they're going to be going there 982 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,480 Speaker 1: in the afternoon and coming back in the mornings, right, 983 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,040 Speaker 1: and so what do you got to find something else? 984 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,760 Speaker 1: And so, like I like the water source thing because 985 00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,319 Speaker 1: oftentimes people just kind of overlook that and they would 986 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,520 Speaker 1: rather be close to that being field edge, or they 987 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,960 Speaker 1: would rather be where you know, the corn just got 988 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,560 Speaker 1: chopped across the fence line. But the little water source thing, 989 00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,920 Speaker 1: you know, I mean those deer might use that every 990 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,879 Speaker 1: single day. It's not masked, it might not show up. 991 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,400 Speaker 1: It's not going to show up one week and be 992 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,480 Speaker 1: gone the next. It's just consistent. The same thing with 993 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,720 Speaker 1: river crossings, and the same thing with you know, terrain 994 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,880 Speaker 1: features that really funnel movement. Like we always look at 995 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,680 Speaker 1: that as a you know, a rut thing, but man, 996 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,560 Speaker 1: they there. You know, you look at this this ground 997 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,680 Speaker 1: that we're in right now. It's kind of bluffy, and 998 00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,440 Speaker 1: there's these these hillsides and some of them have like 999 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,080 Speaker 1: a hard limestone bank type thing, and some of them 1000 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,439 Speaker 1: have these washouts where the deer just they go lower, 1001 00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,960 Speaker 1: they go high. And you know those deer go low 1002 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,960 Speaker 1: or high when they're traveling there in September and October 1003 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,040 Speaker 1: and November and December and January and every you know, 1004 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,160 Speaker 1: it's not just like this is going to happen one 1005 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,799 Speaker 1: week and not not the next. I'm always looking for 1006 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,239 Speaker 1: stuff like that. And if you find something like that, 1007 00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,400 Speaker 1: which you will, if you if you do enough boots 1008 00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,200 Speaker 1: on the ground and enough east coating, then you might 1009 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,280 Speaker 1: when you're out there and get clued into that acorn 1010 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,040 Speaker 1: drop or some other kind of just here today, gone tomorrow, 1011 00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,160 Speaker 1: food source or brows or something like that that could 1012 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,680 Speaker 1: that could really get you somewhere. And so it's just 1013 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,800 Speaker 1: it's just a matter of like what play the odds. 1014 00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,240 Speaker 1: If there's a if there's a just a banging trail 1015 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,880 Speaker 1: going down this hillside because they can't go up over it, 1016 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,239 Speaker 1: that's a start. I get get down the downwind side 1017 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:26,919 Speaker 1: of that, see who comes through, and see what else 1018 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:32,000 Speaker 1: you observe along the way. All right, So to get 1019 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,960 Speaker 1: us to like a really clear example of something, and 1020 00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,000 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to do some like word painting here 1021 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,280 Speaker 1: for people so they can understand what we're talking about, 1022 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,759 Speaker 1: but look at the stuff we walked over the last 1023 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,160 Speaker 1: couple of days. Think about what we've seen. Can you 1024 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:50,120 Speaker 1: describe to me, like if you had one day to 1025 00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,919 Speaker 1: kill a buck here a well, say in the rut, 1026 00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:58,040 Speaker 1: like where describe your favorite feature, your favorite spot we've seen, 1027 00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,560 Speaker 1: like described as as an example, so we can see 1028 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,680 Speaker 1: like one kind of thing like you're describing that you 1029 00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,840 Speaker 1: really loved and how you would set up on that 1030 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,239 Speaker 1: kind of thing for a traveling hunt. So I would 1031 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,320 Speaker 1: go to that spot with that community scrape with the 1032 00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,920 Speaker 1: vine hanging over it and the fence crossings. So this 1033 00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,520 Speaker 1: this was a The only thing I don't like about 1034 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,640 Speaker 1: that is you're close to the property line. But the 1035 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,360 Speaker 1: thing I like about it is you could get deer 1036 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,360 Speaker 1: coming off of that property that are heading in a 1037 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:24,960 Speaker 1: direction where if you shoot them, they're just gonna keep 1038 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,759 Speaker 1: running that way. But what this was is these are 1039 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:33,000 Speaker 1: very open woods, very open, and they actually make me 1040 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,520 Speaker 1: a little bit like anxious, Like I feel a little 1041 00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,800 Speaker 1: nervous just even looking at them. But you can stand 1042 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,120 Speaker 1: on this fence line and look into the neighbor's property 1043 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:45,720 Speaker 1: and they've got the thick stuff and there's rubs everywhere, 1044 00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,880 Speaker 1: clear staging type stuff. And so not only do you 1045 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,720 Speaker 1: have a pretty obvious betting area, you've got this little 1046 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,440 Speaker 1: kind of neck down I don't know if you like 1047 00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,319 Speaker 1: a really subtle ridge kind of thing that I three 1048 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,359 Speaker 1: trails coming out of that into the stuff you can 1049 00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,359 Speaker 1: hunt and all of those trails, if you're on one trail, 1050 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:07,759 Speaker 1: you might be able to shoot the other two. They're 1051 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,640 Speaker 1: close enough together, and they're all tied to fence crossings, 1052 00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,160 Speaker 1: and they're all pounded, and there's a community scrape right there, 1053 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,080 Speaker 1: and so it's just a hub spot. And because of 1054 00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,719 Speaker 1: the way the some of those draws in there, some 1055 00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,279 Speaker 1: of these ravines layout, you could probably weasel your way 1056 00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,400 Speaker 1: down through a bottom. It would be it would be 1057 00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,440 Speaker 1: like a little family circus looking at your route. But 1058 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,520 Speaker 1: you might be able to get in there early early 1059 00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:37,000 Speaker 1: in the morning, probably spook some deer. But if you 1060 00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:38,680 Speaker 1: had to do, if you if you could do it right, 1061 00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:40,080 Speaker 1: and I think you could, you could do an all 1062 00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:44,200 Speaker 1: day sit in there in that place. Just it's got 1063 00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,600 Speaker 1: the right cover. It's a transition zone, it's covered in 1064 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,200 Speaker 1: sign and it just forces deer movement. Yeah, and that 1065 00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:57,440 Speaker 1: that ridge that you're describing is the one consistent corridor 1066 00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,720 Speaker 1: where a cruising buck could cover a long distance without 1067 00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:05,120 Speaker 1: having to do some major dropping down the drainage coming up, 1068 00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,360 Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of these different knobs and drangers 1069 00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,160 Speaker 1: on either side, and then there's one big main artery 1070 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,759 Speaker 1: that runs in the middle that is not uh disconnected, 1071 00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,120 Speaker 1: and that bridge is is where this happens. So yeah, 1072 00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,440 Speaker 1: I really liked that too. You gotta believe that stuff's 1073 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,560 Speaker 1: gonna happen there can I pick a plan by. So 1074 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,960 Speaker 1: the last spot we were in yesterday that had that 1075 00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,200 Speaker 1: little shoot where that big buck track was, Oh yeah, 1076 00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,640 Speaker 1: there's like a this is a such a highly situational thing, 1077 00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,480 Speaker 1: but it reminds me where I grew up in southeastern Minnesota. 1078 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:40,720 Speaker 1: There's like a giant rock bluff on one side, not giant, 1079 00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,120 Speaker 1: but big enough, and then on the other side, twenty 1080 00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,000 Speaker 1: yards away is another big rock bluff and on the 1081 00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:50,040 Speaker 1: top is crp and woods, and on the bottom is 1082 00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,520 Speaker 1: a little bit of pastured woods and then a cornfield 1083 00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,759 Speaker 1: and the trails going through that little gauntlet like it 1084 00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,759 Speaker 1: was like if you could bring in a giant bulldozer 1085 00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,839 Speaker 1: and make a funnel. That's what somebody did years ago, 1086 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,960 Speaker 1: and they're just you know, it's such a such a 1087 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:08,839 Speaker 1: tight window for them to cross through there, and they 1088 00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,680 Speaker 1: clearly were, and then you've got some parallel trails on 1089 00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,479 Speaker 1: top and the bottom. It's one of those situations where 1090 00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,040 Speaker 1: you play the wind right in there. If you see 1091 00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:18,800 Speaker 1: a deer and he's kind of work in your direction, 1092 00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,120 Speaker 1: he's probably going right through that shoot. So it's one 1093 00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,360 Speaker 1: of those ones where you could set up up like 1094 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,879 Speaker 1: you could set up knowing your shot is probably gonna 1095 00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,680 Speaker 1: be right there twenty yards a way. That was a 1096 00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,680 Speaker 1: cool spot. Yeah, Yeah, that whole area there was really nice. 1097 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:37,440 Speaker 1: Unfortunately I can't hunt that one, but but yeah, that's um, 1098 00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,880 Speaker 1: those are interesting places for sure. I am excited to 1099 00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,680 Speaker 1: get back and start getting after these. Now you mentioned 1100 00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:46,440 Speaker 1: in in spot A how that area was just so 1101 00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,759 Speaker 1: open on the side that I could hunt, and that's 1102 00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,359 Speaker 1: the same thing that I was talking to you about. 1103 00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,000 Speaker 1: It's like that just made me uncomfortable, like how why 1104 00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:57,279 Speaker 1: would there be big bucks moving in daylight through Why 1105 00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,400 Speaker 1: do open timber like this? Now, this is this is 1106 00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,680 Speaker 1: private land that I have access to on these locations, 1107 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,719 Speaker 1: So it's it's one other thing. But I'm talking to 1108 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,680 Speaker 1: some friends that have hunted in this general air, and like, 1109 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,120 Speaker 1: I know it looks weird, but they're in here, they're 1110 00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:11,799 Speaker 1: moving through in the daylight. And it got you and 1111 00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:17,400 Speaker 1: I talking about how sometimes I bring my Michigan mindset 1112 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:21,640 Speaker 1: to other states and I over complicate things. So I 1113 00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:27,520 Speaker 1: come bringing all of my Michigan uh fears, my Michigan anxieties, 1114 00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,560 Speaker 1: my Michigan worries about making the wrong twig snap and 1115 00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:35,080 Speaker 1: having seventeen deer ago running in the other direction. Um. Like, 1116 00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:39,040 Speaker 1: I'm operating on eggshells every day in Michigan, and then 1117 00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,360 Speaker 1: I come here to Iowa, and my buttery is like, 1118 00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,200 Speaker 1: oh yeah, that big white open timber. There'll be tons 1119 00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:44,480 Speaker 1: of deer in there all the time. There's big bucks 1120 00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,760 Speaker 1: roaming in there. And I'm like, how is that possible? 1121 00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,160 Speaker 1: And and and you said that sometimes you felt the 1122 00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,799 Speaker 1: same way, like we bring these different mindsets to locations 1123 00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:57,319 Speaker 1: where it doesn't translate and we can Actually we need 1124 00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,640 Speaker 1: to be a little bit more flexible or adaptable with 1125 00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,600 Speaker 1: our my and sets, because we'll sometimes miss opportunities because 1126 00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:07,759 Speaker 1: we overthink things. I mean, explain your perspective on that. 1127 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,200 Speaker 1: Like maybe I did a round about way of trying 1128 00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,040 Speaker 1: to describe what I'm talking about her. No, no, no, no, no, 1129 00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,000 Speaker 1: you're you're spot on. I mean I do the same 1130 00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,960 Speaker 1: thing that that The how open these woods are here 1131 00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,319 Speaker 1: that we've been walking through is just wild. It's just 1132 00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,640 Speaker 1: but it's a it's a testament to just Iowa in 1133 00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,359 Speaker 1: general that they can have good hunts in there, because 1134 00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:28,919 Speaker 1: you're right, like, there are a lot of places where 1135 00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,320 Speaker 1: if you had that woods it wouldn't be that great 1136 00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:35,919 Speaker 1: like it just it just wouldn't be. And so you gotta, yeah, 1137 00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:37,520 Speaker 1: you kind of gotta look at that and go, Okay, well, 1138 00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,480 Speaker 1: I gotta work with what I have to work with. 1139 00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,200 Speaker 1: And if it's if your permission is on these open woods, 1140 00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:45,680 Speaker 1: what are the box is going to show you? You know? 1141 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,959 Speaker 1: I mean, I still think that little public land chunk 1142 00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,520 Speaker 1: we looked at has a lot of potential just because 1143 00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,439 Speaker 1: it's not it didn't look like anything we've seen around here. 1144 00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,360 Speaker 1: But you know, you go into those woods, and the 1145 00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,759 Speaker 1: one thing about those woods is if you set in 1146 00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,080 Speaker 1: set up in there, you're gonna know what's going on. 1147 00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,920 Speaker 1: You're gonna see there's no way you're gonna blank at 1148 00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,440 Speaker 1: any given time in there, and so it's just a 1149 00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,279 Speaker 1: matter of dealing with what you've got, you know. I 1150 00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,640 Speaker 1: mean you had another thing where some of these properties 1151 00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,880 Speaker 1: have been the available cover has been bulldozed off and 1152 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,080 Speaker 1: so they've shrunk, and so you're showing up with that 1153 00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,440 Speaker 1: like this is that's just like white Tail hunting Man. 1154 00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,799 Speaker 1: You just if you don't own it, you show up 1155 00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,840 Speaker 1: and there's always different stuff. You know, you're dealing with 1156 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:35,560 Speaker 1: egg land and timber production. It's just you know, it's you. 1157 00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,919 Speaker 1: You have one expectation to show if it's different, but 1158 00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:42,360 Speaker 1: those woods and that, you know, bringing your home mentality 1159 00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,600 Speaker 1: to it. Like that kind of goes both ways, right 1160 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,640 Speaker 1: You look at that and go, I'm terrified hunt here 1161 00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,160 Speaker 1: because I feel like I'm gonna get busted. Well, you know, 1162 00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:51,960 Speaker 1: you have people who live here who say you're not, 1163 00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,000 Speaker 1: and you're you know, you're probably not if you set 1164 00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,880 Speaker 1: up right. But that The other way that goes is 1165 00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:02,600 Speaker 1: somebody from you know, the southeast East or Pennsylvania shows 1166 00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:04,120 Speaker 1: up in Kansas and thinks this is gonna be a 1167 00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,239 Speaker 1: slam dunk and you still I was. I was talking 1168 00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,240 Speaker 1: to Randy Newberg about this the other day, like about 1169 00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,080 Speaker 1: really good tags. He's like people think they draw that 1170 00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,120 Speaker 1: once in a lifetime tag for X unit or Y unit, 1171 00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,200 Speaker 1: or you get that Iowa tag and you go, this 1172 00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,200 Speaker 1: is gonna be a slam dunk. I hunt way harder, 1173 00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,320 Speaker 1: dear than this. You still need effort commensurate with the tag. 1174 00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,319 Speaker 1: And so it goes both ways. Like you can be 1175 00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,520 Speaker 1: too cautious sometimes when you show up in the deer 1176 00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,759 Speaker 1: different than like like this scenario with you in the 1177 00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,040 Speaker 1: Iowa bux. But at the same time, you can get 1178 00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:33,680 Speaker 1: too cocky and be like, well, dude, if I can 1179 00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,319 Speaker 1: kill bucks here, I can show up there and all 1180 00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:37,600 Speaker 1: of sudden you get out there and it's just a 1181 00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,840 Speaker 1: different ball game, not a cake walk, yep. But but 1182 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,040 Speaker 1: the big thing is that's and it's not even that 1183 00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:47,160 Speaker 1: the deer here going to be easier to kill always, 1184 00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,400 Speaker 1: but it will be different. And so that's a big 1185 00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:54,080 Speaker 1: part of the process that starts early on. You're not 1186 00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,360 Speaker 1: only trying to adapt to hunting pressure, or you're not 1187 00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,239 Speaker 1: only trying to adapt to where did I see the deer? 1188 00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,160 Speaker 1: Where didn't I see the deer? But it's also figuring 1189 00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,680 Speaker 1: out how do these deers operate, how do they react 1190 00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,360 Speaker 1: to hunting pressure, how do they relate to their habitat 1191 00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,319 Speaker 1: similarly or differently than what I'm used to back home, 1192 00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:14,799 Speaker 1: And like that's something you need to get a sense of, 1193 00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,880 Speaker 1: at least quickly. I think, and and adjust, like so 1194 00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,000 Speaker 1: much of these traveling hunts, Like if you had to 1195 00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:26,680 Speaker 1: distill it down into anything like one core set of philosophies, 1196 00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:32,600 Speaker 1: it's like observe, learn fast, and adapt and do that 1197 00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:36,080 Speaker 1: over and over and like you've got to quickly adapt, adapt, adapt, 1198 00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:40,120 Speaker 1: Watch what does this mean? Adapt? Watch? What does this mean? Adapt? 1199 00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,080 Speaker 1: If you can do that, you can have success on 1200 00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:47,240 Speaker 1: these kinds of hunts. But the the the opposite to 1201 00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,520 Speaker 1: that is something that a lot of folks and I 1202 00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,560 Speaker 1: have been guilty of this at times too. It's like 1203 00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,400 Speaker 1: the opposite is what will doom a trip like this, 1204 00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:59,600 Speaker 1: which is get comfortable, something feels nice, you're enjoying like 1205 00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:03,360 Speaker 1: a nice spot, sit that way, or paralyzed by not 1206 00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,880 Speaker 1: knowing what to do and think, well, I'm just gonna 1207 00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,400 Speaker 1: stick with this because that's what I know, or stick 1208 00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,800 Speaker 1: with us because what my buddy said to do or 1209 00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:16,400 Speaker 1: or whatever, like the lack of adaptability will sink you 1210 00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:20,080 Speaker 1: on these short term trips, Like you just have to learn. 1211 00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:22,959 Speaker 1: And that's that's why I think this kind of hunt. 1212 00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,040 Speaker 1: If somebody was asking, like how can I become a 1213 00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,840 Speaker 1: better deer hunter? And I had to like provide them 1214 00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:35,280 Speaker 1: the secret blue pill that's going to provide them away 1215 00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:36,840 Speaker 1: to become a better deer hunter. It wouldn't be like 1216 00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:38,960 Speaker 1: a fancy new call. It wouldn't be a set of camera, 1217 00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,360 Speaker 1: wouldn't be a thousand dollars ten dollar least. It wouldn't 1218 00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,400 Speaker 1: be any of those things. It would be going a 1219 00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,240 Speaker 1: bunch of one week trips to different places you've never 1220 00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:51,560 Speaker 1: hunted before. And right there the forced set of activities 1221 00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,480 Speaker 1: that come with having to go to new places and 1222 00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,360 Speaker 1: watch learn a death, watch learn a death. You do that, 1223 00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,520 Speaker 1: and you actually get out there and do that, you're 1224 00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:03,240 Speaker 1: gonna get better. I mean, this is this is the ticket. 1225 00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:07,000 Speaker 1: That's the ticket. It's just experienced man. Yeah, you know, 1226 00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,000 Speaker 1: I I was thinking about this last night with us 1227 00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,000 Speaker 1: and we keep talking about how open these woods are 1228 00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,080 Speaker 1: here and that one of the farms that I hunt 1229 00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,880 Speaker 1: in Minnesota when I started hunting, it was like that 1230 00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:18,720 Speaker 1: you'd sit in one and it was a great turkey 1231 00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:20,600 Speaker 1: hunting woods. You know, you'd sit in it and look 1232 00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,680 Speaker 1: from one end to the other. And what we learned, 1233 00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,600 Speaker 1: even way back I was in high school when I 1234 00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:30,240 Speaker 1: was hunting this first was that if this, if there 1235 00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,320 Speaker 1: was corn standing, and there was always corn standing on 1236 00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,400 Speaker 1: top of the bottom somewhere, that's where they betted until 1237 00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,880 Speaker 1: the corn got picked. And it actually got way harder 1238 00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,880 Speaker 1: to hunt when the corn got picked because those deer 1239 00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,840 Speaker 1: it seemed like and it's it's it's circled back to this. 1240 00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,200 Speaker 1: It got logged, and now it's getting really mature again. 1241 00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,000 Speaker 1: It actually feels like when they picked that corn, those 1242 00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,600 Speaker 1: deer move out because it's just not it doesn't work well. 1243 00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:55,000 Speaker 1: So what we deal with was, and this is early season, 1244 00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,400 Speaker 1: this isn't rough stuff obviously, but you would know those 1245 00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,480 Speaker 1: deer are going to be bettered in the corn and 1246 01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:03,080 Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna just stage through that woods and 1247 01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:04,840 Speaker 1: go up and feed the beans or the off alf 1248 01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,880 Speaker 1: or vice versa. You know, you'd play it morning or evening, 1249 01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,680 Speaker 1: and that's what this looks like here. And I just 1250 01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,240 Speaker 1: think about this and like, this is this is probably 1251 01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, four or five hours from where that is. 1252 01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,240 Speaker 1: It feels like the same scenario, you know, what I mean. 1253 01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:23,800 Speaker 1: And so, like you said, if you get on these 1254 01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,560 Speaker 1: hunts and you know, I see stuff hunting in northern 1255 01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,320 Speaker 1: Wisconsin which is different than most of the white tail 1256 01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:33,040 Speaker 1: hunting I do, then I still go, yeah, of course 1257 01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:36,240 Speaker 1: they came down off of that ridge and crossed right there, 1258 01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,440 Speaker 1: Like it's the same thing that you've seen, you know, 1259 01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,800 Speaker 1: a western white tail state that isn't anything like that. 1260 01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,360 Speaker 1: You know on paper, they're totally different. But you watch 1261 01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,960 Speaker 1: it and go, I've seen this movie before. Yeah, you 1262 01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:53,760 Speaker 1: start to notice like patterns of behavior where it's like 1263 01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:58,200 Speaker 1: the color, like the specifics might look different, but there's 1264 01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:02,160 Speaker 1: this general underlying consistently where you can match up. Oh yeah, 1265 01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,120 Speaker 1: this kind of feature. Actually there's a lot like that 1266 01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:09,439 Speaker 1: other one. And and you're right once you start, it's 1267 01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,680 Speaker 1: like that's saying like seeing the forest for the trees, 1268 01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,240 Speaker 1: Like sometimes you can get so focused on the specifics 1269 01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,440 Speaker 1: you miss the bigger picture. If you can, if you 1270 01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,720 Speaker 1: can put yourself into enough positions like this, you'll start 1271 01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,200 Speaker 1: seeing both. And if you can see both, then you'll 1272 01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:25,040 Speaker 1: actually understand what the hell is going on. There's something there, 1273 01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,439 Speaker 1: um what else is important to you? Just I mean, 1274 01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,640 Speaker 1: when it comes to these short term traveling hunts, and 1275 01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,200 Speaker 1: we've talked about got to be able to adapt. We've 1276 01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,320 Speaker 1: talked about you need to have a lot of different 1277 01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,560 Speaker 1: options so that you can adapt quickly and feel comfortable 1278 01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:42,680 Speaker 1: with that. We've talked about being careful not to bring 1279 01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,960 Speaker 1: all of your problems from home with you and again 1280 01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,440 Speaker 1: being able to adjust to what's actually happening there on 1281 01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:53,440 Speaker 1: the ground. Um, is there anything else? Is there anything else? 1282 01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,440 Speaker 1: When it comes to that side of things, it's worth 1283 01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,160 Speaker 1: thrown out there for people that are going to try 1284 01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:00,960 Speaker 1: something like this or are wanting to. And there's probably 1285 01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:02,560 Speaker 1: a lot of folks other have tried these things, They've 1286 01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,240 Speaker 1: heard about it for years, have gone out there and 1287 01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,439 Speaker 1: done it, Like, man, this is it's not working. Yeah, well, 1288 01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:11,120 Speaker 1: I would say, you know, kind of what we talked about. 1289 01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:12,760 Speaker 1: But when we got down here, you know, you've got 1290 01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,920 Speaker 1: little kids. I've got little kids. There's always this weird 1291 01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:18,600 Speaker 1: excitement and guilt. You know when you when you go 1292 01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,400 Speaker 1: on trips here, you're excited to go, you're sad to 1293 01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,040 Speaker 1: leave your kids. And you know that's one of the 1294 01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,200 Speaker 1: reasons I really like a Turkey trip or some other 1295 01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,000 Speaker 1: it's just a scouting trip where you can't for a 1296 01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,240 Speaker 1: couple of days, you kind of get to take your 1297 01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:32,400 Speaker 1: own temperature as far as like how comfortable are you 1298 01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:36,480 Speaker 1: being gone for X amount of days? And if you 1299 01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:39,160 Speaker 1: take a guy like Andy May and you give them 1300 01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:40,960 Speaker 1: three days somewhere, there's probably gonna be a short blood 1301 01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:42,919 Speaker 1: trail and a trophy photo, like the dude, it's gonna 1302 01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,440 Speaker 1: go kill something somewhere. Most people are gonna do that. 1303 01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:50,479 Speaker 1: But if you have five, six, seven days, you gotta 1304 01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:52,480 Speaker 1: You've got a real opportunity if you can, if you 1305 01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:55,480 Speaker 1: can get into the moment and kind of leave some 1306 01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,440 Speaker 1: of the bs from work and family behind and just 1307 01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,080 Speaker 1: go I'm here, I'm gonna enjoy this. My buddies are here, we' 1308 01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,360 Speaker 1: gonna work together, we're gonna we're gonna do this. You 1309 01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,800 Speaker 1: get a lot done in five six days if you're 1310 01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,520 Speaker 1: capable of doing that. Like some people, you know, you 1311 01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:10,360 Speaker 1: might go on a two day trip in their homesick 1312 01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:13,240 Speaker 1: like it might not be their thing or you know, 1313 01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:15,720 Speaker 1: so just kind of learning like how comfortable are you 1314 01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,840 Speaker 1: driving ten hours and setting up a camp and not 1315 01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:22,360 Speaker 1: taking a shower for five days and you know, living 1316 01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,760 Speaker 1: that lifestyle. That's that's a big part of it. Yeah, 1317 01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:29,120 Speaker 1: what do you say to that person who has seven 1318 01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:32,560 Speaker 1: days budgeted for their trip and they get to day 1319 01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:34,960 Speaker 1: five and it's just not been going well, They're not 1320 01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:39,880 Speaker 1: finding deer. They're like this, it's a sucking I've been 1321 01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:43,400 Speaker 1: gone from the family. I know, my wife's irritated, my 1322 01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:47,080 Speaker 1: kids missed me, and I think a lot. I've certainly 1323 01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,200 Speaker 1: gotten to these points on trips. Like God Parton was like, 1324 01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,080 Speaker 1: I just I'm just gonna call it cut my losses, 1325 01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,680 Speaker 1: get back to the family, get some brownie points, all that. 1326 01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:58,280 Speaker 1: So there's one side that says that, there's the other 1327 01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,360 Speaker 1: side to say, stick it out, push it to the end, 1328 01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,640 Speaker 1: leave it all on the field. Uh, because they can 1329 01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,400 Speaker 1: all change in the last two minutes of the last day. 1330 01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,520 Speaker 1: You never know where are you at on there on 1331 01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:14,280 Speaker 1: those two options, and has that change for you stick 1332 01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:16,760 Speaker 1: it out? I mean, but that's that goes back to 1333 01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:20,040 Speaker 1: just like if if you're enjoying it, you're gonna want 1334 01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,160 Speaker 1: to stick it out. So so do these hunts in 1335 01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:23,520 Speaker 1: a way. Try to try to do them in a 1336 01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,720 Speaker 1: way where you're having fun. You know, it's the single 1337 01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:30,520 Speaker 1: minded focus on the end result often takes away from 1338 01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:32,480 Speaker 1: the fund. If it's like I don't want to go 1339 01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:34,160 Speaker 1: back and tell the guys at work that I didn't 1340 01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,200 Speaker 1: kill a big one when I drew my Kansas tag 1341 01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:39,480 Speaker 1: or whatever, that's hard to overcome. But if you're just 1342 01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:42,880 Speaker 1: out there and you're just like, man, this is so 1343 01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,320 Speaker 1: cool sitting in this river bottom in western North Dakota. 1344 01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,960 Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm here. You ride that out to 1345 01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,280 Speaker 1: the end, Like you do this stuff enough, you do 1346 01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,560 Speaker 1: get those last second kills. I mean I've had I've 1347 01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:58,520 Speaker 1: had times where I was like, well, you know this 1348 01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,000 Speaker 1: is I'm just running at the clock. Now, I got 1349 01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,440 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes left. There's no way in fact I had 1350 01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,680 Speaker 1: that happen. When it when it first happened to me, 1351 01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:08,640 Speaker 1: it like taught me a really good lesson. So I 1352 01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:12,040 Speaker 1: was in Geez. This was probably like two thousand eleven 1353 01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,880 Speaker 1: or something. I was in North Dakota, and I had 1354 01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,160 Speaker 1: killed a big buck the year before. I think it 1355 01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:20,760 Speaker 1: was the year before. Really easily, like I was like, Oh, 1356 01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:24,240 Speaker 1: I got this, this is no problem. Next year went 1357 01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:27,120 Speaker 1: out there, we had had shorter time. I think we 1358 01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:29,960 Speaker 1: had four days and we had three of us, and 1359 01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:32,840 Speaker 1: we just were not had other people on us, and 1360 01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:34,880 Speaker 1: it was just not coming together. It was not fun. 1361 01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:38,080 Speaker 1: I had, you know, two babies at home, you know, 1362 01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,680 Speaker 1: just like it was a tough trip, right, And I 1363 01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:44,240 Speaker 1: just remember the last night nobody had killed. And usually 1364 01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:45,800 Speaker 1: we go out there, if there's three of us, you're 1365 01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:47,800 Speaker 1: gonna get one or two tier, you know, maybe three 1366 01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,760 Speaker 1: on a good year. We had nothing, and you know, 1367 01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:54,200 Speaker 1: it's like Jesus, you know, we really we flamed out 1368 01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:57,040 Speaker 1: on this one. And I remember sitting there and it 1369 01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:59,960 Speaker 1: was just the most beautiful night. And I was set 1370 01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:02,280 Speaker 1: not a crossing an upriver, my buddy was sitting on 1371 01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,360 Speaker 1: acrossing and down river my buddy was sitting on across 1372 01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:07,720 Speaker 1: and I was like, man, how is this not happening 1373 01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:10,080 Speaker 1: for one of Like we are, we're on these things. 1374 01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:13,800 Speaker 1: But I just had the sense of like this this 1375 01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,280 Speaker 1: is not it's over. But it was like such a 1376 01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,920 Speaker 1: beautiful night. I'm just like remember sitting there going like whatever, 1377 01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:20,600 Speaker 1: like that's cool. Maybe I'll come back. Maybe I'll just 1378 01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:22,920 Speaker 1: swing back in late October or something. And I just 1379 01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:24,640 Speaker 1: looked over and here come to this eight point down 1380 01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:27,720 Speaker 1: the trail, fifteen yards away, quartering away, and I shot 1381 01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:29,160 Speaker 1: him and he went and tipped over, and I was 1382 01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,800 Speaker 1: like what, like what and and actually my buddy got 1383 01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:34,640 Speaker 1: a shot that night too and missed it. I think 1384 01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:36,960 Speaker 1: he missed one or maybe he didn't passed one up 1385 01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,120 Speaker 1: or something. I can't remember, but it was just like 1386 01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:41,880 Speaker 1: I had in my head. I was like, there is 1387 01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:45,400 Speaker 1: no way. And then you know, the last second I had. 1388 01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:47,160 Speaker 1: It happened in Oklahoma one time on a buck to 1389 01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,320 Speaker 1: where it was down to like the last couple of minutes, 1390 01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:52,600 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, you know, we got we got 1391 01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:56,000 Speaker 1: a dope piece. I saw a ton of deer whatever. 1392 01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,520 Speaker 1: And then I hear that coming down the trailer. What 1393 01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:00,320 Speaker 1: runs right in on the trailer is supposed to shooting 1394 01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:01,919 Speaker 1: me runs and tips over, and it's like, holy shit, 1395 01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:05,280 Speaker 1: I cannot believe that just happened, you know. So it's 1396 01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,360 Speaker 1: stick it out. If if you're having fun, you will 1397 01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:11,439 Speaker 1: want to stick it out. Last minute magic that's possible, man, 1398 01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:15,520 Speaker 1: And that's uh. And then you've got to call the 1399 01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:17,360 Speaker 1: wife and explain why you're gonna be home later than 1400 01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:22,720 Speaker 1: you thought. Dude, well we're tracking tomorrow. I mean, you know, 1401 01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,280 Speaker 1: on those last last minute shots, like take the one 1402 01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:28,520 Speaker 1: you know you can make and then be real confident 1403 01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:30,919 Speaker 1: that you can piece one out and you know, cut 1404 01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:32,480 Speaker 1: the skull played off and do whatever you gotta do 1405 01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,120 Speaker 1: to get at home. You know, speaking of that, any 1406 01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:42,280 Speaker 1: last minute lessons learned that you've um, little little tips 1407 01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:44,520 Speaker 1: or things that have helped you when it comes to 1408 01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:48,400 Speaker 1: all of those other end of the process type situations 1409 01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:52,439 Speaker 1: like recovery processing, getting the animals home, getting the meat home. 1410 01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:54,520 Speaker 1: You've done this a bunch, travel all over the place. 1411 01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,600 Speaker 1: Anything's you've learned on that front that have made that 1412 01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:00,240 Speaker 1: whole deal easier for you. Because we're gonna doom that 1413 01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,600 Speaker 1: everybody's gonna listen to this. They're going on on these trips, 1414 01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:05,440 Speaker 1: they're going to be successful. There's gonna be tens of 1415 01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:09,680 Speaker 1: thousands of people bringing deer home. Let's help him out 1416 01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:11,240 Speaker 1: and give him, give him a few more ideas here 1417 01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:14,880 Speaker 1: and how again do it? Just confidence. So if you've 1418 01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:18,760 Speaker 1: never if you've never you know, feel dressed a buck, 1419 01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,320 Speaker 1: if you've never pieced apart of deer good enough to 1420 01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:24,880 Speaker 1: get it into cooler, do that and figure out how 1421 01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:29,680 Speaker 1: to do that. Like, yeah, I just I grew up. 1422 01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:31,240 Speaker 1: That's that's what we always did. Like we never took 1423 01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:32,680 Speaker 1: our deer to a butcher. You know, it's just my 1424 01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:34,160 Speaker 1: Dad's like, here's how you take them apart. So I 1425 01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:36,960 Speaker 1: have the luxury of having been taught that, and so 1426 01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,640 Speaker 1: I get not everybody has that, but that it's not 1427 01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,080 Speaker 1: a difficult thing. If you can get with somebody who 1428 01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:43,920 Speaker 1: knows how to do it and see them do it 1429 01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:46,000 Speaker 1: one time, or they gonna walk you through it, it's 1430 01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:48,240 Speaker 1: a huge benefit, you know. I mean, that's that's one 1431 01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:51,320 Speaker 1: of the reasons I love getting people into this like that. 1432 01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:55,720 Speaker 1: That seems very intimidating, that part. But when you when 1433 01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,840 Speaker 1: you walk somebody through it, it's not that like take 1434 01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,680 Speaker 1: the insides out, peace them out. What do you not 1435 01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,200 Speaker 1: want to eat? Cut that off? You know, like it's 1436 01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:07,599 Speaker 1: not but it's it's tough when you haven't done it, 1437 01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:10,960 Speaker 1: and those are the kind of things. It's just like 1438 01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:13,240 Speaker 1: not being comfortable with your saddle setup or not being 1439 01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:15,679 Speaker 1: comfortable with your stands when you get out on these trips. 1440 01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,240 Speaker 1: If you don't have that that comfort level, and there's 1441 01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:19,599 Speaker 1: only one way to earn it, right like you got 1442 01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,160 Speaker 1: you gotta do this ship. But the more you do it, 1443 01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:24,920 Speaker 1: the more you go like that that anxiety levels the 1444 01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,160 Speaker 1: nervousness like that goes away and you can just enjoy 1445 01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:28,960 Speaker 1: it better. It's like anything else, like first day on 1446 01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:32,360 Speaker 1: the job versus two years into it. And so just 1447 01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:34,360 Speaker 1: get exposure to that and that that's one of the 1448 01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:38,680 Speaker 1: reasons I just you know, if you're at home. I 1449 01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:40,120 Speaker 1: think it's one of the reasons why a lot of 1450 01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:43,680 Speaker 1: people quit bow hunting or deer hunting after a few years. 1451 01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:46,720 Speaker 1: They get in, especially the young male crowd seems to 1452 01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:48,120 Speaker 1: do this a lot. They get in and they think 1453 01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:49,960 Speaker 1: they're gonna kill a bunch of big bucks and it's 1454 01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:52,599 Speaker 1: gonna be awesome, and it's hard, and they don't get 1455 01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:56,320 Speaker 1: the experience actually drawing and aiming and shooting deer, doze whatever. 1456 01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:59,160 Speaker 1: They don't get the experience of blood trailing, and so 1457 01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:01,240 Speaker 1: you kind of you kind of skip a lot of 1458 01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:03,280 Speaker 1: those steps that make you a person who can own 1459 01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:06,400 Speaker 1: that process. And the more you own of it, the 1460 01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:08,479 Speaker 1: more comfortable you are. And so that goes for the 1461 01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:11,000 Speaker 1: back end stuff too, Like that's that's a big deal. 1462 01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,400 Speaker 1: And of course, like have the tools, right, like have 1463 01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:15,759 Speaker 1: have good knives, have a cutting board, have a way 1464 01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:18,160 Speaker 1: to just like you and you don't need to hang 1465 01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:19,559 Speaker 1: them up, you know, like a lot of people think 1466 01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,120 Speaker 1: that you do. And if you have the opportunity, yeah, 1467 01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:23,760 Speaker 1: you can hang them up. It's a good thing. But 1468 01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,200 Speaker 1: we cut up so many deer on the tailgate of 1469 01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:28,120 Speaker 1: our truck, you know, kind of like you would piece 1470 01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:30,120 Speaker 1: them out just or with a tarp on the ground. 1471 01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:31,920 Speaker 1: I mean, there are a lot of ways to do it. 1472 01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:33,960 Speaker 1: And if if you're listening out here and you have 1473 01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:37,000 Speaker 1: new hunters around, you help them out with that. Like 1474 01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:39,640 Speaker 1: that's a that's a gift that keeps giving. Let's end 1475 01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:42,400 Speaker 1: with this. You mentioned um a scenari where a lot 1476 01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:44,559 Speaker 1: of people like get into it and then realize it's 1477 01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:46,519 Speaker 1: harder and it's not coming together for him, then they quit. 1478 01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:51,160 Speaker 1: So for someone listening, and I think there's there's probably 1479 01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:53,240 Speaker 1: a decent number of people out there. I've gotten messages 1480 01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:55,559 Speaker 1: from a lot of people out there who have gotten 1481 01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,360 Speaker 1: into this thing. They liked the idea of it, they 1482 01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:01,080 Speaker 1: like the stuff. They've been out there trying to hunt. 1483 01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:03,720 Speaker 1: They've hunted a bunch. It just hasn't come together for him. 1484 01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:07,240 Speaker 1: They hunted for years, and they've been watching too many 1485 01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:08,720 Speaker 1: hunting shows and all that kind of stuff. So they 1486 01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:10,360 Speaker 1: feel they need to shoot a hundred and thirty or 1487 01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:12,840 Speaker 1: hundred buck or something there. That's what they want to do. 1488 01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,519 Speaker 1: So they've been hunting and hunting and hunting for years. 1489 01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:18,840 Speaker 1: Hasn't come together. I haven't killed that first big buck yet. 1490 01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:21,360 Speaker 1: And they're kind of like, what the hell am I 1491 01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,559 Speaker 1: doing wrong? I'm hunting the pinch points, like they say, 1492 01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:27,439 Speaker 1: should I've got my grunt tube, I'm I've gone to Kansas, 1493 01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,240 Speaker 1: I tried that. I've done all these things. I've got, 1494 01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:32,479 Speaker 1: you know, hundred acres on my buddies land, I and 1495 01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:34,639 Speaker 1: hunt and we put in food plots and we run 1496 01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:38,439 Speaker 1: trail cameras, and uh, what am I doing wrong? I mean, 1497 01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,559 Speaker 1: there's so many different possible things that could be going on. 1498 01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:45,719 Speaker 1: But if you had any like without knowing any details, 1499 01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:47,519 Speaker 1: if you had to make some assumptions and you could 1500 01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,120 Speaker 1: give them like one thing to think about, what would 1501 01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:54,640 Speaker 1: that one thing to be? Well, ask yourself, are you 1502 01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:57,080 Speaker 1: enjoying it? Like some people they just want to target 1503 01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:58,559 Speaker 1: a good one and if they don't get it, they're 1504 01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:02,400 Speaker 1: totally okay with that. If you're not having fun, uh, 1505 01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:05,320 Speaker 1: and you haven't got that first one forty yet, like 1506 01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:09,120 Speaker 1: maybe go kill a bunch of little ones like I mean, really, 1507 01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:14,280 Speaker 1: what you see happen there A lot is people get 1508 01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:17,479 Speaker 1: into a crowd, and this is you know, we do 1509 01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:21,080 Speaker 1: this to people a lot, like unintentionally. But if you 1510 01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:24,639 Speaker 1: bring somebody in, and that's like a that's a virtuous thing, right, 1511 01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:26,439 Speaker 1: Like we're bringing somebody into the fold. We should be 1512 01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:29,479 Speaker 1: doing that. The problem is is if you kind of 1513 01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:31,920 Speaker 1: you kind of usher somebody into your group that's at 1514 01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:35,240 Speaker 1: a skill level, you know that's not up to Mark 1515 01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:39,360 Speaker 1: Kenyan's experience level. There there's like a natural thing that 1516 01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:41,880 Speaker 1: happens where they want to compete, especially guys do this. 1517 01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:43,880 Speaker 1: I think women are better at this because they're not 1518 01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,920 Speaker 1: idiots like we are, like we we we have to 1519 01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,160 Speaker 1: we we we we fight our egos a lot, right, 1520 01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:53,600 Speaker 1: But if you get somebody in who just accepts like 1521 01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:55,000 Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell I'm doing, like I'm 1522 01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:57,120 Speaker 1: you send a fund by me, I'm you send a 1523 01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:01,120 Speaker 1: forcu by me, I'm shooting those people, they tend to 1524 01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:03,200 Speaker 1: do it long term and they tend to blossom into 1525 01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:05,240 Speaker 1: somebody who can get that ship done. Like I've got 1526 01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:07,720 Speaker 1: a I've got a really good buddy who I got 1527 01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:11,639 Speaker 1: into bow hunting and probably I guess fourteen fifteen years ago. 1528 01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:14,960 Speaker 1: And he's always had a great attitude on hunts, like 1529 01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:19,160 Speaker 1: any and a low standard guy, right. And last year 1530 01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:21,840 Speaker 1: he's he's got a place in Minnesota he hunts in 1531 01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:25,719 Speaker 1: addition to traveling with me, and he uh, he killed 1532 01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:27,880 Speaker 1: his first good and he killed great, like a hundred 1533 01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:30,560 Speaker 1: forty some inch buck like twenty inches wide. It was 1534 01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:34,800 Speaker 1: like just unbelievable. And this was something like if you 1535 01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:37,160 Speaker 1: knew this guy five six, seven years ago, he'd be like, 1536 01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:39,360 Speaker 1: no way, like there's he's never going to get there. 1537 01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:44,160 Speaker 1: But I've just watched this progression and a big part 1538 01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:46,320 Speaker 1: of it was like his willingness to just like I'm 1539 01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:49,800 Speaker 1: just open to not being very good at this and 1540 01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:53,040 Speaker 1: getting better, and his attitude. He was just always like 1541 01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:54,960 Speaker 1: let's just do where where are we going? Like you 1542 01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:56,519 Speaker 1: want to go hunt here, you want to go hunt there. 1543 01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:59,479 Speaker 1: Every day you get up, he's getting up like he's 1544 01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:02,840 Speaker 1: that's so important, and it's it's hard to be that 1545 01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:04,920 Speaker 1: way if you're frustrated with the results all the time, 1546 01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:06,920 Speaker 1: and you know, like you and I've been talking about 1547 01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:10,400 Speaker 1: investing a little bit just randomly in our conversations and 1548 01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:15,680 Speaker 1: there's like there's so much of this like psychological stuff, right, 1549 01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:18,280 Speaker 1: Like if you if you ask me about like it's 1550 01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:20,400 Speaker 1: kind of something like a geek out on. Right. The 1551 01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:21,920 Speaker 1: first thing I want to tell you about his apple 1552 01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,000 Speaker 1: when I bought it, because that was a winner, right, 1553 01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:25,720 Speaker 1: I don't want to tell you about the ones I 1554 01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:29,160 Speaker 1: lost my ass on, you know. And so if you're 1555 01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:31,160 Speaker 1: paying attention to this, and you're and you're listening, and 1556 01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:34,080 Speaker 1: it's like easy for us to condense a ton of 1557 01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:36,600 Speaker 1: kills into an hour or hour and a half conversation, 1558 01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:41,160 Speaker 1: we're not talking about, you know, the mistakes that outnumber 1559 01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:44,479 Speaker 1: those by like orders of magnetude. I mean, you screw 1560 01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:48,000 Speaker 1: up when you go out there. I make mistakes every 1561 01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:52,840 Speaker 1: single time I hunt. Literally, Yeah, such an important thing 1562 01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:55,160 Speaker 1: to remember and to bring up. Yeah, and you just 1563 01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:57,280 Speaker 1: you're not gonna get it. Like you you go watch 1564 01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:59,240 Speaker 1: a th HP video, You're gonna see the highlights, like 1565 01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:03,760 Speaker 1: you go you into us, you read an article, highlights, highlights, highlights. 1566 01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,240 Speaker 1: But the reality is is like if you're out there 1567 01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:09,160 Speaker 1: getting your ass kicked in the woods, you're exactly like 1568 01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:13,200 Speaker 1: every hunter out there, but you go get your asket 1569 01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:15,880 Speaker 1: A whole bunch and every once in a while, you know, 1570 01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:17,920 Speaker 1: the light shines on you and you go, Okay, I 1571 01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:19,920 Speaker 1: got one good one out of the way, and then 1572 01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:21,560 Speaker 1: you go back to screwing up and screwing up and 1573 01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:24,840 Speaker 1: screwing up. But eventually you get a little more consistent 1574 01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:28,200 Speaker 1: on the success. And that's it right there. I mean, 1575 01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:31,200 Speaker 1: that's screwing up and screw up a little bit less 1576 01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:32,960 Speaker 1: and learning, and then screwing up and then screwing up 1577 01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:35,200 Speaker 1: a little lesson learning, and just keep on doing that 1578 01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:39,560 Speaker 1: and eventually comes together like that's the rest of you 1579 01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:42,479 Speaker 1: for getting good at anything. Man. That is That is 1580 01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:44,160 Speaker 1: I guess that's a good place to wrap it up. 1581 01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:47,439 Speaker 1: So thank you Tony for coming down here for working 1582 01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:49,720 Speaker 1: on this project. I'm excited for people to see this 1583 01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:54,880 Speaker 1: stuff soon. I'm excited for people to hear more from you. Um. 1584 01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:56,559 Speaker 1: I wish we didn't have to be so vague about it. 1585 01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:58,120 Speaker 1: Maybe we don't even need to be vague about it, 1586 01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:00,240 Speaker 1: but we're gonna be for now. But stay tuned, folks, 1587 01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:03,599 Speaker 1: We've got some cool stuff coming up. Uh be sure 1588 01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:06,040 Speaker 1: to be following along with the Tony's got going on 1589 01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:07,880 Speaker 1: here and see a lot more of him and uh, 1590 01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:11,559 Speaker 1: I'm happy about that, so Tony, I am too, buddy. 1591 01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:15,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for everything, man, absolutely and that's gonna do it. 1592 01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:18,240 Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in. Appreciate you spend some time here. 1593 01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:21,280 Speaker 1: I hope this is inspired and helped inform you on 1594 01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:22,800 Speaker 1: what you need to know to get out there and 1595 01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:26,120 Speaker 1: plan that first trip. Like we've been talking about you, 1596 01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:28,240 Speaker 1: you won't regret it. This is a great way to 1597 01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:31,160 Speaker 1: expand your boundaries, to learn a lot, and have a 1598 01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:33,559 Speaker 1: lot of fun along the way. So until next time, 1599 01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:37,040 Speaker 1: thank you and stay wired to hunt.