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Speaker 1: Questlove Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: What's Up Everybody, It's Sugar Steve from Team Supreme. June

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Speaker 2: marks Black Music Month. We often speak about it on

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Speaker 2: Questlove Supreme and we've had some of the legends responsible

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Speaker 2: for the recognition on the show. Every day this June,

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Speaker 2: we are running a different episode from the QLs archives

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Speaker 2: to honor the tradition and a tent of Black Music Month.

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Speaker 2: This week we are focusing on some of the great

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Speaker 2: hip hop conversations in the QLs catalog. Our leader Questlove

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Speaker 2: has a new book out.

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Speaker 3: Called hip Hop Is History.

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Speaker 2: Check it out at questlove dot com. Today we are

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Speaker 2: airing an interview with Philadelphia's own Lady B, who is

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Speaker 2: not only a pioneering force at radio, but is also

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Speaker 2: one of the first hip hop artists.

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Speaker 3: To release a record.

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Speaker 4: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 4: I will say that this is a highly personal episode

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Speaker 4: for myself in my professional.

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Speaker 5: Eddie in our SiO territory right here.

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Speaker 6: Yes, no, no, it's not gonna be Edie.

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Speaker 4: I will say that in my my thirty plus years

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Speaker 4: of being in this business, I never thought the day

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Speaker 4: would occur that my first interview with the person who

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Speaker 4: literally introduced me to hip hop. Whatever happened on my platform.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's that's how often I dreamed of

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Speaker 4: like being on her show. I mean even when I

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Speaker 4: was listening to her, I didn't have dreams of being

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Speaker 4: in hip hop. But literally, what what you know, what

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Speaker 4: Greg Mac means to kd A y in La, what

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Speaker 4: mister Magic means for New York City.

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Speaker 6: I will say that this, this young lady.

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Speaker 4: Was not only crucial for the Tri State area, but

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Speaker 4: in hip hop in general, because I mean, at one point,

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Speaker 4: Philly was the second largest hip hop market in the

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Speaker 4: in the first formative years of hip hop being on

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Speaker 4: Wax between like seventy nine and eighty nine. Yeah, just

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Speaker 4: any major first, you know, the first time I heard

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Speaker 4: cutting scratching on Grand Master Flash on the Wheels is Steel,

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Speaker 4: The first time I heard Pumpkin play a breakbeat on

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Speaker 4: on Spoony G's Love Rap, the first time I heard

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Speaker 4: Sucker C's, the first time I heard anything by the

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Speaker 4: Juice Crew, the first time got the moment I first

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Speaker 4: heard Rebel without a pause, It's it's this young lady

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Speaker 4: on our show for are you Roots? Officionados. Of course,

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Speaker 4: her voice might be familiar to you if if you

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Speaker 4: hold Our Things Fall apart album Hear and Deers. She's

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Speaker 4: on the without a doubt.

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Speaker 7: That was the best session ever.

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Speaker 4: She is the first female to be on WAX as

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Speaker 4: an MC, A pioneering DJ.

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Speaker 6: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the person who introduced me

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Speaker 6: to hip hop, Lady B.

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Speaker 7: But oh, I feel so touched by that.

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Speaker 8: But you know what, as I approach, you know, because

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Speaker 8: as I approached his fortieth anniversity, I've been doing a

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Speaker 8: lot of reflecting and just getting in my spirit with

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Speaker 8: God and just thanking him for being the person who

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Speaker 8: did what you just said that I did to introduce

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Speaker 8: a genre of music that little had faith in, a

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Speaker 8: political crap connected to that to get it on the radio.

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Speaker 7: And you're right, I know you say that is the

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Speaker 7: second no I want. I want. I want to tell

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Speaker 8: And here's another thing I decide to do for my

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Speaker 7: No moment, come on, bring it out.

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Speaker 8: When people say you're a pioneer, you're an icon, you're this,

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Speaker 8: you're that, And then I start thinking, just the other day, well,

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Speaker 8: all here, I swear to God, I was like, you

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Speaker 8: know what, onw this is the onus because you did it.

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Speaker 8: And too many times the brothers get all the accolades

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Speaker 8: and we, as sisters, we don't. So yeah, I'm gonna

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Speaker 8: putting my fists in the air and I'm gonna say

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Speaker 8: it with my chest out that it wasn't just as

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Speaker 8: far as you know, people always say New York was

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Speaker 8: of all, all due respect to the only man who

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Speaker 8: But Magic and what we're doing was a college thing.

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Speaker 8: I kick y'all off on AM and then in Power

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Speaker 8: Like I started this avalanche of a culture, and I'm

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Speaker 8: I think back on just how much freaking fun I

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Speaker 8: I'm like, wow, I did that. I knew these millionaires

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Speaker 8: I'm so glad to have helped them follow their dreams

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Speaker 7: It's it's amazing.

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Speaker 8: It's it's you have no you have no idea how

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Speaker 8: many brick walls I came across people.

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Speaker 7: Oh my, don't.

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Speaker 6: Give it away.

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Speaker 9: I'm I got time this Look, this ain't a radio show.

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Speaker 7: Let me fall back and calm down. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 6: Let me just say.

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Speaker 4: Let me just say that, you know you you revealed

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Speaker 4: how many decades around the sun that you were before

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Speaker 4: we went on air, and I have to say that

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Speaker 4: you were still a timeless teenager to me. You you

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Speaker 4: literally have not like this is when she was nineteen.

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Speaker 4: As as on air personality, this is the same one,

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Speaker 4: Like nothing has changed, nothing has changed at all, you know,

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Speaker 4: this is I feel like this is my first real

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Speaker 6: And whatnot we do.

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Speaker 7: It is, I think it is.

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Speaker 4: But I'm glad to finally get a moment to rapt

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Speaker 4: you because I have so many questions about my hometown

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Speaker 4: and what. You know what, I didn't get the experience

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Speaker 4: that you know, you also helped pave the way.

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Speaker 6: Well. First of all, are you from Philadelphia.

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Speaker 8: Born and raised Philadelphia or were you born in saying? Well,

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Speaker 8: I was born my family. My mother owned a bar

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Speaker 8: on Woodland Avenue in Southwest Your mom owned the alley

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Speaker 8: Alley's Alley.

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Speaker 6: Yes, that's your mom's jorn.

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Speaker 7: That was my I grew up in that avenue. That

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Speaker 8: Alley's Alley is my grandmother's name Ali? Yes, yes, yoh?

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Speaker 6: Because I used to catch the thirty six trolleys.

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Speaker 8: That's exactly where he wasn't the trolley barnh Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Wow?

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Speaker 7: It was my mom's bar.

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Speaker 8: And then she raised us in Windfield, so I was

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Speaker 9: And talk about your your people real quick, because you

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Speaker 9: have an interesting background like ethnically.

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Speaker 8: My Malaysian African American connection, yes, we like to call it.

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Speaker 8: My grandfather is from Malaysia. He's Malaysian born in Singapore.

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Speaker 8: And my grandmother was a prevate thing to little mixed

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Speaker 8: they raised them right there on Willing Avenue.

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Speaker 7: Because so, yeah, I had yeah my mother.

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Speaker 8: My mother had ten siblings, five with Arabic names, five

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Speaker 7: Is very blended, very interesting family.

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Speaker 6: So you were always like around forty ninth with Woodland.

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Speaker 8: I yeah, I did my homework at that bar because

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Speaker 4: Yeah alright, yo, because literally that that little grocery store

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Speaker 7: It's the reason I don't have any teeth now. All

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Speaker 7: that candy.

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Speaker 8: Remember that damn candy to mister Luther. I used to

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Speaker 8: tell them, you want to play my dnnis Bill. I

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Speaker 8: go in there, I go in my mom's bar. I

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Speaker 8: get like three dollars and that's penny candy. That's three hundred.

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Speaker 7: That's a candy, right, and I would buy.

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Speaker 6: It in that store next door.

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Speaker 4: Not to mention Jack Myers across the street, this might

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, sorry, y'all.

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Speaker 8: Talk y'all shit, man, but rat but yeah, so yeah,

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Speaker 8: that's that's where I Wentfield West, Philadelphia.

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Speaker 4: Girl, my grandmother used to live on forty ninth and

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Speaker 8: So okay, my grandmom lived one block over, so it

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, because I know that sister Sledge and their

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Speaker 4: grandmam lived on.

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Speaker 7: Did they can't they? Yeah? Kathy's grandmom and them came

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they were like in the backyard of where my

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Speaker 6: That's where their grandmam lived.

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Speaker 7: My brother took all of them on the Prime.

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Speaker 8: Their mom wouldn't allow them to have prime dates, like

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Speaker 8: he took at least three sister Sledges on their proms.

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Speaker 7: Every three year altogether. Ms Blow wouldn't let them go

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Speaker 6: You're right now.

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Speaker 7: It was like the stand in prime. Dude.

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Speaker 4: Dude, everyone has a misflowed story about how strict she

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Speaker 6: What you had to I guess you had to do

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Speaker 7: Course she did.

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Speaker 8: They were beautiful, talented and if she hadn't there would

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Speaker 4: Okay, So, because your your story is so loaded, I

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Speaker 4: want to I kind of want to start with the session.

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Speaker 4: That will start with to the beach. Y'all your twelve

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Speaker 4: inch single? Okay, So how how did that come to be?

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Speaker 8: So I'm the youngest of four, my oldest sister I

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Speaker 8: landed me in the club scene. Kim Gray's Whispers serendipity.

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Speaker 8: It was that back then Philly had a club night

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Speaker 8: every night, like at Tuesdays you went here, Wednesdays, you

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Speaker 7: That was popping. That was kind of.

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Speaker 6: The neighborhood clubs or No, these.

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Speaker 8: Were all like downtown like Kim Grays was twenty, Nathan Samson,

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Speaker 8: Sarah Jipas was down there. Club Whispers is like off

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Speaker 8: a thirteenth and Walnut. So it's kind of like a

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Speaker 8: World be Free, the basketball player and Darryl Dawkins, and.

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Speaker 7: They hung out with my sisters. They were older than me.

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Speaker 8: I was kind of like the little yeah, the little

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Speaker 8: one that followed behind, just trying to hang out with

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Speaker 8: the older kids.

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Speaker 7: Exactly.

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Speaker 6: You said, there's ten of you. You said, there's ten

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Speaker 6: of you. What's the girl boy ratio of your siblings?

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Speaker 8: Two and two and it's just me and my brother.

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Speaker 8: Now I am the youngest, and there are all.

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Speaker 7: Three years aparts and eight years later.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, my mother went to get her appendix taken out

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Speaker 8: So that Perry Johnson, that was the da of doctor

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Speaker 7: Yes, he's a real doctor now. Actually went and got

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Speaker 4: Yes, he was one of the most crucial DJs of Philadelphia.

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Speaker 4: If you're a fan of Bohannon's Let's start the dance.

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Speaker 6: Doctor Perry Johnson.

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Speaker 4: Like his his rapping over that song was just as

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Speaker 7: I have his number in my He would be so

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Speaker 7: But then mister gangster himself, mister Joe Robinson, owner of

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Speaker 7: Like that, right, they laugh.

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Speaker 6: It's a big joke.

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Speaker 7: It's a big joke amongst me and God, everybody else

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Speaker 8: To forget that I'm the one playing all of these

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Speaker 7: For three years. Damn it a long time broadcast. I

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Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 6: Look, yeah I got my radio, Jose.

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Speaker 7: Like, let me let me just share one Mary Mason stories.

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Speaker 6: Please.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm eighteen years old and Nancy Reagan walks into

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Speaker 7: I don't want to tell what I'm trying to get

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Speaker 8: Oh here I am, so here, I am, y'all eighteen

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Speaker 8: Like how do I.

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Speaker 7: Oh, she told you to tell that bitch.

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Speaker 8: Yes, so I gotta go out here and look this

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Speaker 8: but miss Mason, it's a flattered that you stopped by. However,

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Speaker 7: But that's what she told me.

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Speaker 8: I've heard her hurst at the mayor and hang up

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Speaker 7: Miss Mason was a be. She is the reason I

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Speaker 8: And I've never let anyone talk to me or or

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Speaker 8: I mean they ended up a couple of times anyway,

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Speaker 4: Will that to mean she was like the original Russe Limbaugh.

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Speaker 4: Like she's very controversial also like I know she supported

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Speaker 7: He was a politician on the radio. Is what Mary was.

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Speaker 8: And I will have to say that she walked her walk.

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Speaker 8: She was dedicated to this community of people. She got

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Speaker 8: she she may she I witnessed this woman changed lives.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and she was something.

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Speaker 9: And then you took some baton and now you do

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Speaker 8: Later, because I mean I didn't take the time from

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Speaker 7: I mean she when she passed that the time. To me,

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Speaker 7: I was doing hip hoop. I was crazy. We was

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Speaker 7: I was playing all that good stuff with y'all. I

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Speaker 7: Right now, That's what it is.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 4: So I remember like discovering your show around like late

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Speaker 4: nineteen eighty early eighty one. You know, every Saturday afternoon whatever,

445
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,400
Speaker 4: we my brother and I would just record.

446
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,120
Speaker 8: Like everybody says, I remind them of Paul's record.

447
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 7: Paul's record. Whenever I see Banie Segull, he goes, Paul's record.

448
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 4: All right, no oh, you're world famous, fat get your part,

449
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 4: press your pause, press your pause button. But to have

450
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,120
Speaker 4: a radio show, and you were on for like two

451
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 4: to three hours, but I'm thinking, like back in eighty one,

452
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 4: was there even two to three hours worth of quality

453
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 4: hip hop to play?

454
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 7: I like to explain it like this.

455
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 8: I laugh every time I hear the term digging into crates,

456
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 8: and that's crazy with an nets because when I started

457
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 8: playing hip hop.

458
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 7: On the radio, there was a crate. One crate was

459
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 7: it full. It was full to the max. I mean

460
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 7: not everything was. I was picky. It was was good

461
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 7: enough to play right.

462
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 8: You know when when we first started, when we realized

463
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 8: we could take what we were doing in our backyards,

464
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,159
Speaker 8: in our neighborhoods and our courtyards and put it on

465
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 8: wax and that you know, this was possible. Everybody tried

466
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 8: to do it, whether they could rap or not, but

467
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 8: I was very I think the thing that Number one,

468
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 8: you have to understand when hip hop started, it was

469
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 8: its purpose was to stop a terrible disease in the

470
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 8: black community that was full of violence and gang war,

471
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 8: and it was it was crazy. It was getting a

472
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 8: little out of hand with it. So hip hop gave

473
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm sure if you spoke to an Africa

474
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 8: band body he would co sign this. But hip hop

475
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 8: gave us away to battle each other and represent our neighborhoods,

476
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 8: not with knives and guns, but with turntables and microphones.

477
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 8: And it became this thing like you had to rep

478
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 8: your neighborhood with your rhymes, and God forbid, if you've

479
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 8: biden anybody else's rhyme, you had to come with your

480
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 8: shit and it had to be real, and it had

481
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 8: to be raw and it had to be authentic, and

482
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 8: everybody couldn't do that. Some people just thought they could

483
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 8: just get out a book of words that rhyme and

484
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 8: put some shit together and hand it to me to

485
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 8: get on the air.

486
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 7: That happened a lot.

487
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:32,719
Speaker 8: But if I couldn't understand number one, what you were saying,

488
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 8: like I no disrespect to what people like these kids

489
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 8: like today or whatever, but mumble rat, it just makes

490
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 8: my skin call because for me, a good MC is

491
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 8: very articulate.

492
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 7: You can hear everywhere. I don't care what if he's

493
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 7: saying something wrong, disrespectful.

494
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 8: I have to hear what you're saying or why did

495
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 8: you waste that banging ass beat?

496
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 7: Like why are you here?

497
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 9: B do you remember like your first show and the

498
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 9: records that you had to play out of the crate,

499
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 9: like all right, it's my first show.

500
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 7: I gotta get so so well, you have to understand

501
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 7: then we kind of got you know, we did? You know?

502
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 8: I laugh when I see Jeff and Cash and and

503
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 8: Richard Dean and them casts and U quest and and Biz.

504
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 8: May he rest in peace go deep into this this

505
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 8: DJ thing. But you have to understand when hip hop

506
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 8: start is when we first learned how to cut and

507
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 8: scratch a brake beat. So that took up so much time.

508
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 8: Not only am I gonna just take the train, but

509
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 8: I'm gonna take the train for about good twelve fourteen

510
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 8: damn minutes with a lot of time.

511
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 6: On the riad.

512
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 7: You know what I mean.

513
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're going You're gonna.

514
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 7: Cut that joint what suck mcs And then you got

515
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 7: the flip side.

516
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 8: Then you got the instrumental that you could cut in

517
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 8: with that joint, then you got another DJ. At one

518
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 8: time on Power ninety nine, it was so dope, me

519
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 8: and Jeff Mills.

520
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 7: May he rest in peace.

521
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 8: Had he got two turns, Yes, he had two turntables

522
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 8: on his side. I had two turning turnative tables, and

523
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 8: we had a reel to reel, so.

524
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 7: We have six elements coing in. I'm cutting it up

525
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,959
Speaker 7: the songs in the minute. People it was blowing people's

526
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 7: my cross my mind.

527
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 9: I'm gonna just have a real dumb moment because I

528
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 9: know I'm not alone in this. I don't think it

529
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 9: ever crossed my mind as you were literally mixing records

530
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 9: like that.

531
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 8: I remember run and and Dale coming to my studio

532
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 8: for the first time. They're like, so you're gonna mix

533
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:15,959
Speaker 8: the record and interview us.

534
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, right, you were more than just

535
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 5: a personality. It's like I was.

536
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 8: A big girl on a radio and I still am.

537
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was gonna say that.

538
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 4: You also, you guys would at least on like the

539
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 4: like the midpoint or at least the last hour of

540
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 4: the w h A T portion of your show, like

541
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 4: you were also playing like craft work, like what would

542
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 4: become like b boy, you know, like it's time.

543
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 8: Well, you have to understand, break dancing was a major

544
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 8: element for us in the beginning of this thing, So

545
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 8: if you couldn't break to it, it definitely didn't get played.

546
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 8: And they demanded it because you have to understand, I

547
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 8: am taping the only hip hop y'all gonna have for

548
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 8: the week, and then y'all with Jones until the next week.

549
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 8: Like I was the only one with PEPSI understand, I'm

550
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 8: the only place you can get it. People were driving

551
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 8: you canna ask Chuck d They would drive down to

552
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 8: Philly to take my show. Yes, So it was like that.

553
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 8: It was it was like this thing and everybody had

554
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 8: to have it, and it was just so much freaking

555
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 8: fun doing and it.

556
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 9: Was so and Mary Mason never said she never pulled

557
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 9: your coat on anything, not a record.

558
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 7: Nobody ever said listen, I can't be playing that no more.

559
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 7: It was never.

560
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 6: We won't even mention the discomboblated booblator.

561
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 7: No, I'd love this combined.

562
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 6: That anymore.

563
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 4: That all right, I'll get the nineteen eighty six in

564
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 4: a second. Hang on, we had a small controversy with

565
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 4: mc breeze discoboblated boobulator. But wait before before I go on,

566
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 4: there's two things I gotta ask you. One, how often

567
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 4: did you record your own shows on w h.

568
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 7: A t he wants them?

569
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 8: I know so everybody tap Money, every DJ has asked

570
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 8: me this question. So in my possession, I have not

571
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 8: gone through them. I do have some real deriels, but

572
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 8: as far as cassettes, people have been given them to

573
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 8: me over the years, I meet a listener on the

574
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 8: air and sendate they used to take me, and they

575
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 8: still have them. As a matter of fact, I've been

576
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 8: asking people to give them back or I can make

577
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 8: a copy off them of them and give them back

578
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 8: to them. Because I and I didn't even have a

579
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 8: cassette player in the house, but my niece and nephews

580
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 8: brought me one last year, so it's fly little joint.

581
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 8: It looks like a boombox, but his Bluetooth compatible is

582
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 8: so cute. But I have was sitting there here on

583
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 8: my desk. But I now want to get the cassettes

584
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 8: so I can hear them. But I do have, like

585
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 8: I do have some of those real to reels.

586
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 6: You got to convert those in like I have to.

587
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 7: I know I'm getting to the point.

588
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 8: COVID did allow me to do a lot of purging,

589
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,479
Speaker 8: so there is a little order to my madness. So

590
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 8: I'm getting it all together. At least I know tapes

591
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,959
Speaker 8: are here, rial the reels are here, and now I

592
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 8: just got to dive into them.

593
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 4: Okay, I gotta ask a question. There's a record you

594
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 4: used to always play, and I thought it was a

595
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 4: Philly record, and I'm just finding out that this guy

596
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 4: is from New York. But do you know the whereabouts

597
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 4: of r c loa Rock aka the mic stro.

598
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 8: Are you ready hold your hat, hold your hand, because

599
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 8: you're not gonna believe it is right here? Hit me

600
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 8: Sunday night. My show is sold out, by the way,

601
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 8: at the Dell Music Center.

602
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 7: It's been sold.

603
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 3: It is.

604
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 8: It's my fortieth anniversary in radio and hitting the stage

605
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 8: for the very first time at the Dell. We'll see

606
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 8: everybody around the nation because I have to fulfill my

607
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 8: obligation and set you on a gutification.

608
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 4: But you don't no, no, you found our sealer rock

609
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 4: the mic stroke. Yo.

610
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 8: He's so hyped about doing this show that me and

611
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 8: Charlie Mack are like, I don't know how old is now?

612
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 8: And I'm like, does anybody told me he's gonna have

613
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 8: to put a track behind him because he's not going

614
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 8: to make her do all the lyrics.

615
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 7: Like, there's no way.

616
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 6: Me and Turk will drive down and do the lyrics

617
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 6: for him.

618
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 3: Yo.

619
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 7: I was this is nine day.

620
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 8: I expecting Sunday night at the Dell. B there or

621
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 8: B Square?

622
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 6: Who else?

623
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 7: Oh, you don't want to know. You ain't ready. I've

624
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 7: never had EPMD.

625
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 8: They will be in the building because I've been doing

626
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 8: this for ten years now. I've never had nice and smooth.

627
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 7: They will be in the building. I have my iconic

628
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 7: Sugarhill game Melo Email and his crew.

629
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 8: I have I've said shantee, I always try to have

630
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 8: a female every year she's my female. This year EPMD

631
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 8: nice and well CuMo d will be in the and

632
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 8: my headliner is Big Daddy came.

633
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 4: Oh man, Yo, you know where the mixtro is.

634
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 7: He's gonna be on my state. You gotta see this video.

635
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 7: I gotta. I'm gonna say, send me your number. I'm

636
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 7: gonna send you this video that he did. He is,

637
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 7: He's He's the mice Trup. That's all I can say.

638
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 9: Wow.

639
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 8: You want somebody old lady beatings your bull? Or see

640
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 8: the rock I'm coming down here to rock the joint

641
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 8: or it's like a b The promo videos for everybody

642
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 8: people were doing Oh when you have to do one too.

643
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 8: People are doing happy fortieth anniversary videos. We're trying to

644
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 8: make a last table. Happy fortieth lady be spread the word,

645
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 8: get everybody to do it.

646
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 7: Let's blow the spot up.

647
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 8: I will hashtag happy fortieth lady beat Let's go woo

648
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 8: woo wow.

649
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 4: So I remember when you you came to Power ninety nine.

650
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 4: I believe in eighty four, around fall of eighty four.

651
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 7: I'm not even around that time.

652
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 4: I mean I religiously remember this, but there was a

653
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 4: period in which you were off of what between. I

654
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 4: guess like around eighty three or whatever. What happened in

655
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 4: that gap year? Like I didn't hear.

656
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 6: Like I went from no.

657
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 8: I went from Hat to Power ninety nine. Then Power

658
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 8: ninety nine fired me and I went up to New York.

659
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 7: I was on BLS.

660
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 4: Okay, so your original Sunday afternoon show on Power ninety nine.

661
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 8: My original radio gig was thirteen forty am. First time

662
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 8: hip hop was ever played on X. Then I was

663
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 8: approached by Das And this is when Power was just born,

664
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 8: and you know it used to be a country station, right,

665
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 8: this is when they decided to make it, you know,

666
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 8: an urban station. They both made an offer, and honestly,

667
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 8: being a Das child and raised by Butter doubably one

668
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 8: of his bonus chill ldren, it was Butter who gave

669
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 8: me the name Lady B.

670
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 7: By the way, wait, I don't know.

671
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 6: What your real name is. Do we know what your

672
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 6: real name is?

673
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 7: I have a government name, my family. Bye. Everybody calls

674
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 7: me bahya. That's what the bee stands for.

675
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 6: By wow.

676
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 8: Okay, Yeah, So anyway, they both made an offer, but

677
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 8: ninety nine's offer was more, and I went to Butter

678
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 8: kind of teary because I'm a kid and I really

679
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 8: wanted my dream is to work for Das And he

680
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 8: told me, and I quote and I love him forty

681
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 8: cent Baby, I'm gonna need you to go get that money.

682
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 7: Oh, good for you. And I was like, but brother,

683
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 7: he was.

684
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 8: Like, listen here you will shine. Fly fly my child, fly,

685
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 8: go get that money.

686
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 4: By this point in eighty four eighty five, when we're

687
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,479
Speaker 4: going into the second phase of what hip hop is

688
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 4: with the deaf jam era, with the rush era, who

689
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 4: did you mean.

690
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 7: When Russell finally got the deal with CBS.

691
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 4: Yes, that the whole what I call the Fresh Best era,

692
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 4: where you're introducing us to the Fat Boys, where you're

693
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,959
Speaker 4: introducing us to the Beastie Boys and run DMC and whatnot.

694
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 6: I do know that New.

695
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 4: York's resistance to hip hop UH being performed at least

696
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 4: in Manhattan opens the door for Philadelphia UH to become

697
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 4: the second biggest market, because you know, Chuck East always

698
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 4: tell me that the most you know they could they

699
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 4: could play in Long Island at that stadium, but they

700
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 4: could never play Madison Square Gardens.

701
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 6: So to them, playing the spectrum was just as important.

702
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 7: Those are the brick walls.

703
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 8: I was telling you about quest like people think that, oh, yeah,

704
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 8: you know, we start doing this and everybody, you know,

705
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 8: open their arms and and and and loved on it.

706
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 7: No, we had to fight for a lot of.

707
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 8: Stuff that people take for granted. Now, in my opinion,

708
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 8: you have no idea we had politicians. I don't I

709
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 8: remember picketing at radio stations, no more rat advisory. Yeah,

710
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 8: we went through so much. We went through so much.

711
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 8: But you know, God bless Russell forgetting that deal with CBS,

712
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 8: because that's when you know, now we see the monetary

713
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 8: value of it, and we see that. You know, you

714
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 8: got executives at CBS who were saying, damn public enemy,

715
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 8: and the BC boards are selling just as much as

716
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 8: Luther and Michael.

717
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 7: Wait, wait a minute, let's take a look at this, right,

718
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 7: and those kind of numbers and the masses that a

719
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 7: national distribution deal brought to hip hop made it. It

720
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 7: was combustible. It exploded, if you will. It touched a globe,

721
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 7: something that was created in the burroughs of New York

722
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 7: and by me hanging out with those crazy older people

723
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 7: hadn't been this hanging out with bringing it to phildelp

724
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 7: and and all of us collectively fighting for the time

725
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 7: on the radio. Here's the thing.

726
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 8: When I was on AM, the woman who owned the

727
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 8: station even know my name. This woman walked by me

728
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 8: every day, never spoke to me, never said anything. I

729
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 8: had these little show for a couple of hours on

730
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 8: a Saturday. It grew to a Sunday. They saw the

731
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 8: numbers started to grow. It grew to a weekly show,

732
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 8: and she started speaking to me more of the story. Hi,

733
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 8: miss Clark, how are you, Miss die How are you?

734
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 8: She didn't care nothing about me, but I started making

735
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 8: her so much money. Like Billboard did this big article.

736
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 8: I broke records on AM ratings. AM had never gotten

737
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 8: ratings like that. So that's what happened to fast forward

738
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 8: to where you're talking about. When you know it's not

739
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 8: an out your trunk, you go to the press and

740
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 8: plan and press up your own type.

741
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 7: Situation, which is what it was. It was like drugs.

742
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 8: You know, you didn't bag it up, you pressed it up,

743
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 8: and then you said up to the community.

744
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 9: So by the time they got to Power ninety nine, though,

745
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 9: where was where was hip hop in this relationship with radio?

746
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 9: Because like, by this time, where there are other cities.

747
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 8: By the time, you have to understand that power is

748
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 8: where I played Girls of the World.

749
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 7: Ain't nothing but trouble first, Okay, well, yeah, this is

750
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 7: when Jeff and and and this is when Steady Be

751
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 7: and Will were battling on the radio. I remember that

752
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 7: he had Naked Break. So there's West Coast hip hop

753
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 7: rat some.

754
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 8: Of the some of the songs, they couldn't even wait

755
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 8: to get it to the press.

756
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 7: I played a lot of assetates. You know what that is?

757
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 7: Plus you know, right, so I played a lot of those.

758
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 4: I don't believe the acetates that I still can't find.

759
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 4: It's a whole different mix.

760
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 8: I have assetates here in my storage that I will

761
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 8: not part with a sentimental value. But I played it

762
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 8: off cassette, you know what I mean. Before they even

763
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 8: got they wanted to heavy up and get it out.

764
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 4: What what should also be noted is that, I mean

765
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 4: ninety nine wasn't your only platform.

766
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 6: And what I want to know is.

767
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 7: Ustlers. I was a little promoted. I did all the

768
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 7: hip hop parties we did after midnight.

769
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say after midnight the.

770
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 8: Mecca, the mecca of that.

771
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 4: That's Philadelphia's rich. That's Philadelphia's you know, I don't know

772
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 4: what's New York venue. I could compare it to.

773
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 7: But second Latin Quarter, right Latin Quarter.

774
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 4: That was quarter that it went down.

775
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 6: This is what I want to know though.

776
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 4: Now I was for I was forbidden to go to

777
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 4: after midnight because of course, you know, parents were like too.

778
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 6: Violent was after night.

779
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 4: It was after midnight as bad as all the authority

780
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 4: figures in my life told me that it was.

781
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 7: First of all, God bless the authority figures in your life.

782
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 7: Really not everyone.

783
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 8: Survived the era after midnight. I will say that it was.

784
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 8: I wish I knew their history. The owner passed away

785
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 8: not too long ago too. But I want to say,

786
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 8: before it was a hip hop club, it was some

787
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 8: kind of seedy underground because it had like a movie

788
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 8: theater in it. I had these obscure to the side. Well, no,

789
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 8: he took and brought the spaghetti warehouse and tried to

790
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 8: make it. But that would it would nothing would ever

791
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,919
Speaker 8: be as the undergrounds roll down was. You're going down

792
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 8: these steps into this basement, and once you enter, you're

793
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 8: in a whole different world.

794
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 6: You know.

795
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 8: Me and Shante, she brought me to tears where we

796
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 8: were talking about the first time she and Bizz.

797
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 7: Had performed there, and picture this. This is one of

798
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 7: my favorite nights with business Shante.

799
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 8: So you know how Philly is with our fans are ignorant.

800
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 8: So Shante's up there with her little squaky voice.

801
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 7: I'm Shante.

802
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 8: So this so this is her beatbox. He's beatboxing. There's

803
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 8: no record playing, he's beatboxing for it. And this nigga

804
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 8: and Philly yells out, yo, fucking you suck you at

805
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 8: some something something disrespectful, and she she turned around, she

806
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 8: looked at Bis. She said, give me a good beat, Biz,

807
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 8: and she came off the stage and off the top

808
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 8: of her head tore this boy down. You're a bum

809
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 8: yuro bum yuro bum youurro bum like she just everything

810
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 8: that he was wearing. She talked about. She tore him

811
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 8: up down to his sneakers, how his hair was messed up,

812
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 8: his breathstank. It was And all you see is people

813
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 8: are standing there like, oh snap, like that up and

814
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 8: like no, I will never forget that night, like not ever.

815
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 7: It was the best.

816
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 4: It was for the infamous jazz Fresh Big Day came Battle.

817
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 4: I've heard about this but did.

818
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 7: It listen, you don't even know. I don't know if

819
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 7: do you remember when? What was it called?

820
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 8: Like, yea, the World Supremacy Contest that Philadelphia DJs kept

821
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 8: winning the DM they had had the Marriott then you

822
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 8: know before that this was a convention. It was the

823
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 8: World Supremacy Contest for the best DJ and.

824
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:18,479
Speaker 7: Yeah, before your.

825
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 8: Time, Jeff One missed one and Cash Money one. So

826
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 8: one year I'm I'm judging and Jeff One, I'll never

827
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 8: forget that. That's the year he took the basketball out

828
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 8: and put on the turntable and Will was jumping over

829
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 8: the table and we're freaking out because he won because

830
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 8: this is for all the DJs.

831
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 7: Around the world.

832
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 8: And then the next year I'm on the judging panel

833
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 8: again in Cash Money one, and they were like, I

834
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 8: was influencing the judges.

835
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 7: It's not fair.

836
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 8: Then he keeps winning because Lady b is you know. No,

837
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 8: they were just saying, like I was yelling at the other,

838
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 8: at the other d the other the judges, like you

839
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 8: can clearly see it's not because I'm from Philly, Like

840
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 8: that was dope, Like they had a little tricks. Yeah,

841
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 8: it was a DJ contest. So the following year, they

842
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 8: said I had to MC the contest. I couldn't be

843
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 8: a judge, so we want to dispel you know that rumor,

844
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 8: and then this one, and then there's one.

845
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 7: I wasn't even a judge that year. So right, Philly, Philly,

846
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 7: they got the best DJ. That's will.

847
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 8: We did something and we still we still are the

848
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 8: best when it comes to the cutting and the scratching

849
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 8: and the transforming. I lived and worked up New York

850
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 8: for five years on the radio, and I always whipped

851
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 8: my chest out.

852
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 7: I'm not scared of you. I'm like, okay, hip hop

853
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 7: was born here. Y'all got some dope mcs. When it

854
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 7: comes to the tables, Philly wins hands down that.

855
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 8: Train record of a mix that y'all do up there,

856
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 8: and records are not playing them long enough.

857
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 7: Yes, oh my god.

858
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 4: Are there any other legendary after midnight stories?

859
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,479
Speaker 6: Like? Is there artists? Who is an icon?

860
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 7: Now, I'm gonna tell you this is where, this is where.

861
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 8: This is why your parents didn't want you to come

862
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 8: to after midnight. So we literally checked at the door.

863
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 8: We had the whole the wines with the metal projectors

864
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 8: and whatnot. And I guess this guy got a little

865
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 8: twenty five in in his Timberlain and Chuck b in

866
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 8: flavor on stage is public enemies on stage and we

867
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 8: hear pop, pa pop, and everybody starts to scramble and run.

868
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 8: And that's the day I found out that the s

869
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 8: one w's were really really security. That wasn't a prop.

870
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 8: All I remember is being folded in half. And next

871
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 8: thing I know, I was down the steps in the

872
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 8: dressing room. I don't even know how it got there.

873
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 8: That's how fast they moved me. How often they gently

874
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 8: took my stomach and that didn't happen. That was the

875
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 8: only gun incident, but it was one that I will

876
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 8: always remember because they literally took my stomach and with

877
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 8: their hand, and they put my head down, and then

878
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 8: two brothers had my elbows and the next thing I know,

879
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 8: I was downstairs Jesus proud.

880
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll never forget the night that you premier Rebel

881
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 4: without a pause.

882
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 6: I talk about this in my book Like You and Snow.

883
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 6: First of all, where is Snow?

884
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 8: I just saw him at a balloon release. And memory

885
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:28,919
Speaker 8: of a friend that we lost, Big Bob.

886
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 7: Do you remember Big Bob? Yes, that passed away?

887
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 8: Well, his mom he died during COVID and we really

888
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 8: couldn't do anything special. And the only year anniversary not

889
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 8: too long ago, his mom asked that we.

890
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 7: All come to the house and release some balloons in

891
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 7: his name, and we did. We all showed up. That

892
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 7: was cool, Big Bob.

893
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 9: I'm guessing God not talking about the informer. Okay, no,

894
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:49,439
Speaker 9: but you're talking.

895
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 7: So I wanted to get snow.

896
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 4: Was this dope ass white boy? He came up with

897
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 4: the term. He used to say dope backwards, So.

898
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 8: I'm glad to say the word dope on the air.

899
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 8: We couldn't say that was dope. So he made the epod.

900
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 6: Oh wait, you weren't allowed to say dope.

901
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 8: Yeah, we got in trouble for saying dope apod, so

902
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 8: hefted and said it was.

903
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 7: No.

904
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 8: That was our way of saying it without saying it.

905
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 8: But anyway, let me tell you about public Enemy. I

906
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 8: had a boss who said that I couldn't play public Enemy.

907
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 7: That's what I wanted to know. Okay, forbid me to

908
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 7: play public Enemy and I quit my job.

909
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 6: Is this not Harry?

910
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 7: No, this is before Dave dropped no names. It was

911
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 7: actually the guy before d doesn't even matter he didn't

912
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 7: want me to play public enemy. Oh the black guy.

913
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 7: M okay, okay, okay, No he wasn't the black guy.

914
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 7: But anyway, I quit my job.

915
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 8: I said, if I can't play them, then I quit,

916
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 8: and uh forced their hand in there. I went back

917
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 8: in the studio when I played him really and I

918
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 8: had to put my foot down.

919
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was gonna say.

920
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 4: The night you premiered Rebel without a Plause was like

921
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 4: if you guys are familiar with Orson Wells and the

922
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 4: original War.

923
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 6: Of the World Original.

924
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 4: The World's when in nineteen thirty people thought aliens were

925
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 4: invading the United States. I thought they thought it was

926
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 4: a real like news report, and when it was just

927
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 4: like back when they used to listen to radios, you

928
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 4: know that sort of thing. And all I remember was

929
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 4: Chuck d got to Power ninety nine around one in

930
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 4: the morning, and the city I've never heard like it

931
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 4: was the It was the kind of silence like when

932
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 4: someone dies on a sitcom, like all laughing.

933
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 6: It was like you snow, you know I used to

934
00:46:58,280 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 6: go to school with Monanka.

935
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 7: Oh yes, she worked for me.

936
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 4: I know. So all of y'all were quiet in the

937
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 4: studio and you was like, look, I'm gonna go to

938
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 4: commercial right now, but I need y'all to get your tapes.

939
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 4: I'm gonna play something for you, bet you just I

940
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 4: can't describe what I'm about to play for you.

941
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 7: I they're my favorites to today.

942
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,439
Speaker 8: But I'll never forget the day being up in death

943
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 8: Jam and New York and Russell saying You're not gonna believe.

944
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 7: This, this this thing, hank it Hanka Chuck, and I'm like,

945
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 7: let me hear it. I fell in love. I felt

946
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 7: I rapped that. I said all the way back down

947
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 7: and turn bright.

948
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 6: I feel you.

949
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 7: It was sope.

950
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 6: In general. What was the protocol for like hip hop

951
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 6: promotion back then?

952
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 4: Because I'm besides mister magic, I mean again, like you

953
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 4: are a major portal, so like is it relationships with

954
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 4: Like when someone wants to break a new act open, Like,

955
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 4: how does someone approach about the Fat Boys?

956
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 8: They had to bring it to me, you know, everybody

957
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 8: had to come to everybody had a record rep that

958
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 8: came and it.

959
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 7: Was the only gig in town, right b Like literally.

960
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 8: Club, I'm gonna tell you, I lived in this duplex

961
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 8: apartment and you're right, I was so broke. Wow, it

962
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 8: was my very first apartment, and I remember the lady downstairs.

963
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 7: She was cool with me.

964
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 8: She would let me leave the the door that we

965
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 8: shared open because they would just come and stick the

966
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 8: records and leave them in my hallway, right yeah, and

967
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 8: they just leave them there for me. They've got to

968
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 8: know where I live. Like all the promotion men hung

969
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 8: out at my crib. It was like a damn yeah.

970
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 7: And that was never a problem. Damn Come. When I

971
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 7: was young, it was like no ever, you never felt

972
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 7: in no harm's weight. That's like, that's a beautiful thing.

973
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 7: Is another time. I gotta understand.

974
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 8: I still got my crazy older sister around me too,

975
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 8: and then there's that I mean, you know, and may

976
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,760
Speaker 8: she rest in peace. My sister was a straight gangster,

977
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 8: so I didn't fear too much.

978
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 4: So what I want to know is, was there an

979
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 4: act that a label or manager tried to push off

980
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 4: on you that you weren't feeling at the time or whatever,

981
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 4: and you were like, all right, boll oh, are you

982
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,439
Speaker 4: How honest are you allowed to be when it comes

983
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,439
Speaker 4: to like I like that, I don't like this?

984
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 8: I no, I definitely that was one thing I played

985
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 8: when I wanted to play.

986
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 7: And when have you been wrong? I was wrong a

987
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 7: couple of times. I was wrong about Hammer.

988
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 6: Well you never know I played you never played like

989
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 6: I did.

990
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 8: An honest maker to break it. I've let the listeners vote.

991
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 8: They didn't vote. I broke the damn records. Not my

992
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 8: fault to feel you in like it.

993
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 6: I forgot about making it or break it.

994
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 5: And I remember I.

995
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 8: Would literally crack the record. You could hear all the

996
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 8: vinyl fall on the ground.

997
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 7: That was a real thing.

998
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 5: What was the record? What was the Hammer record that.

999
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 8: Everyone he ever gave us like? And then it went

1000
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 8: pop and then it came back around. I remember the

1001
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 8: spectrum of Hammer senting security people to come get me,

1002
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 8: and he was mad.

1003
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 7: I went and dressing.

1004
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 8: When he's like, while you break my record, I'm like,

1005
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 8: it's a contest, dude, I.

1006
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 7: Didn't do it. Philly broke your record. I didn't break it.

1007
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm just a messenger.

1008
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 4: In on something. Hammer's biggest fan. In nineteen eighty seven,

1009
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 4: Black thoughts Trotter.

1010
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 8: The close cloth he depends, No, it was the way

1011
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 8: he went side to side.

1012
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 7: What would explain?

1013
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 8: Because I just just lost so many points with me

1014
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 8: just now and I love.

1015
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:58,240
Speaker 6: I'm gonna tell you why don't make me throw it at.

1016
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 8: The wait let me that was I'm gonna say. I

1017
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 8: didn't say I didn't like and I'm just it wasn't

1018
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 8: very popular.

1019
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I'm gonna tell you loves the Apache break

1020
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 4: beat so much that.

1021
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 6: Nobody, nobody's doing any wrong on it.

1022
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 8: Oh so it was the beat that got you because

1023
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 8: I'm not.

1024
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 4: Just loved turn his mother out and I think it was.

1025
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 4: But literally, like the two acts that Tik forced me

1026
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 4: to get onto that I wasn't feeling initially was hammer

1027
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 4: and believe it or not in w A because really

1028
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 4: I just looked at n w A and just said, oh,

1029
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 4: they're gonna be whack, you know.

1030
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 8: Okay, but here's here wait wait, wait, wait, because now

1031
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 8: you're blow in my mind because you are my drummer

1032
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 8: forever in my head, like I put you synonymous with

1033
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 8: the beat.

1034
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 7: So now you're scaring me, so you don't understand way

1035
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 7: wait wait wait.

1036
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 8: So there's there's Hank Shakley and Public Enemy, and there's

1037
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 8: Rebel and his fight the Power. It's all of that.

1038
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 8: It's all that that drummage, all that fly ass beats

1039
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 8: which n w A emulated, So how in the hell

1040
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 8: with all those banging beats, doesn't questlove not like n

1041
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 8: w A. You're gonna explain that ship the me.

1042
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 6: I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna bring it back to

1043
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 6: the roots.

1044
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 4: That's simply because I looked at n w A without.

1045
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 6: It was the look I saw, I was all right.

1046
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 7: So without saying I get that part, I get that part.

1047
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 6: This happens to us.

1048
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 7: Conceded, I get that part.

1049
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 6: To this day, NAS will deny it.

1050
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:57,720
Speaker 4: But I realized, Okay, we did a show at Radio

1051
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 4: City Music Hall once and NAS was like to do

1052
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 4: a walk on with us, and we're sound checking, and

1053
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 4: like Nas was losing his mind at soundcheck. Now mind you,

1054
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 4: this is like two thousand and eight, okay, and you

1055
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 4: know I'm I'm in the aire, like I have a

1056
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 4: special microphone that all only Roots and Roots staff can

1057
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 4: hear me. And I was like, yo, man, that is

1058
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 4: really giddy about us, like in a way that I

1059
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 4: never expected. And then ten minutes later it just hit me, oh,

1060
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 4: this is the very first time that Nas in two

1061
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 4: thousand and eight is listening to the Roots because he

1062
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 4: was on the phone like with this boy, like, Yo,

1063
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 4: they sound just like the record.

1064
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 6: They he could play.

1065
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 4: Break beats and da da da da Da Da da

1066
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 4: da and so in my mind, I was like, oh, yeah,

1067
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 4: so you were one of them.

1068
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 6: People that looked at us in ninety four ninety.

1069
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 7: Five like that was his very first time seeing you guys.

1070
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 6: It's look, I'm just telling you that.

1071
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 4: In case in point is that freestyle that he did

1072
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 4: on fund Master Flex. A lot of it, A lot

1073
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 4: of the elation of people looking at Tarik doing that

1074
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,720
Speaker 4: freestyle was the fact that they just never sat.

1075
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 7: For the point. Now, I got it, I get it,

1076
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 7: I get it all right, okay.

1077
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 4: I mean it's like it's like it's like Dame Dash

1078
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 4: from the Kanye record, Like, oh ship, it's not whack

1079
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 4: like that? What was getting okay on that? So like

1080
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 4: I looked at n w A and it was just

1081
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 4: like they whack.

1082
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:35,919
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1083
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 4: Then Tarik played me side one and straight out Compton.

1084
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 4: I was like, wait, they sound like East Coast Like

1085
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 4: I didn't know they were real.

1086
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 6: So it's just got to it.

1087
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 8: And I'm going to be honest, I not only did

1088
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 8: I think that they were corny and not. I don't know,

1089
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 8: I just didn't believe it. I had never been to Compton.

1090
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 8: And like I said, I love to beat my sister.

1091
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 8: Like I said, she was crazy. She was a gangster.

1092
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 8: She I called her Dre until the day she died.

1093
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 8: That was her nickname. And she loved n w A

1094
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 8: so much. But she blasted and and But then you know,

1095
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 8: I went to Compton, I went out west and I

1096
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 8: saw it, and then I had a new respect for

1097
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 8: n w A after seeing that. Back then, it was

1098
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 8: another thing you couldn't do. You couldn't rap about something

1099
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 8: that you weren't like. You can't you couldn't front like

1100
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 8: you talk and knewing you was a little punk like.

1101
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 8: You couldn't do that. That was forbidden for me. You

1102
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 8: had to be what you were talking about. And when

1103
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 8: I went out there, remember was ice tea?

1104
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 5: Uh.

1105
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 8: I had an artist ice cream tea and it was

1106
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 8: her first it was her first trip out west. She

1107
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 8: had a couple of gigs lined up and I had

1108
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 8: these kids. I had to get their parents to sign

1109
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 8: waivers and all this stuff. And I turned around and

1110
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 8: he had taken all my kids to Compton.

1111
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:52,720
Speaker 5: Like what.

1112
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 6: I mean, ice cream tea?

1113
00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was my artist anything.

1114
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 6: Oh, by the way.

1115
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, we just did an episode with uh Tracy Ellis

1116
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 4: Ross's dad, Bob Ellis, and I know that ice Cream

1117
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 4: Tea was also signed on that same level on.

1118
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 6: Mc A City Record with Busy be and whatnot. Yeah.

1119
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, Bob was a big family Bob Bob Ellis was

1120
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 8: one of the nicest men I ever met in my life.

1121
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 8: But I had I entered into a business venture. I

1122
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 8: made a bad deal with a brother. I won't say

1123
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 8: his name, but I started the first hip hop magazine.

1124
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 8: It was called Strictly hip Hop.

1125
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 6: I've read Strictly hip Hop.

1126
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 7: Yes, that was my magazine.

1127
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:43,879
Speaker 6: I know that.

1128
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,479
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's my name in the back of it.

1129
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 3: Wow.

1130
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 8: But anyway, Bob Ellis, I went to court with my partner.

1131
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 8: It turned out to be a disaster, but Bob Ellis

1132
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 8: was very helpful and helping me come and come up

1133
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 8: with cash for litigators and up.

1134
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 7: I did fight a good fight end up. But yeah,

1135
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,359
Speaker 7: he was very He was very helpful to me, really

1136
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:06,879
Speaker 7: nice guy.

1137
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,240
Speaker 9: Bob was like our fifth guest that had a lady

1138
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 9: b story. I'm trying to remember some of the other folks,

1139
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:11,959
Speaker 9: but he.

1140
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 7: Was cool people. He was he was real cool. I

1141
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 7: think it was premiere on some other people.

1142
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 4: But wait, okay, I got to ask though, like I

1143
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 4: do know that when we were younger, like you were

1144
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 4: like everybody's crush, you literally everyone's crush. How did you

1145
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 4: I could only imagine. I mean, if we're now just

1146
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 4: dealing with the politically correct correctness, a very toxic male atmosphere,

1147
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 4: and you know, especially in the music business, how did

1148
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 4: you handle that back then?

1149
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 8: Again, I was just as funny that you asked that,

1150
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 8: because I was just we were just having a conversation,

1151
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 8: me and Lee Daniels. I grew up across the street

1152
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 8: from me, and really, yeah, he's like my brother.

1153
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1154
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 7: Yes, everything about Philly, all of the Damns.

1155
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,919
Speaker 8: Are named after us. All the characters are named after

1156
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 8: like Cookie. I want to say that Cookie, the character

1157
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 8: of Cookie and Expire, Empire, was my sister.

1158
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 7: Oh, sister, you was my sister.

1159
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 8: I mean, I think that he got a lot of

1160
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 8: what my sister was and our upbringing out created that character.

1161
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 8: Now I don't know, because left, what happened, you know,

1162
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 8: what happened to be Emir left and kind of got

1163
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 8: a little famous, and so his trips to Philly were like,

1164
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 8: so doing that part, you was really superd You was

1165
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 8: really getting the dup me.

1166
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 4: Me and Lee been talking on the phone for like

1167
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 4: almost a year and a half because I was supposed

1168
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 4: to score Billy Holliday. Not once did he ever tell

1169
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 4: me he was from philadelph because.

1170
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 7: Hero that you knew.

1171
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 8: But Annie who asked me about what was the question

1172
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 8: of me to me too things? So yeah, and explaining

1173
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 8: who my sister was again. So me and Lee were

1174
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 8: having this conversation and we were just talking about, you know,

1175
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 8: some of our friends who had had some difficult times

1176
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 8: and and things happened to them or whatever. And I

1177
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 8: have to honestly say I didn't have too many meat

1178
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 8: definitely no bad ones, but not too many even small

1179
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 8: me too stories because people were scared of my.

1180
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 7: Sister that I got more than you, and you came

1181
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 7: like I remember, I remember a guy. I thought he

1182
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 7: was fine.

1183
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 8: I wanted to go out with this guy so bad

1184
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 8: at the biggest question is drug dealer D I hopped

1185
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 8: my ask in his car and we went for this

1186
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 8: ride and We're pulling up to this CD hotel in

1187
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 8: Jersey and I'm like, what are we doing? Why are

1188
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,439
Speaker 8: we here? You know, just got no bit is being

1189
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 8: out or in this man's card, and he said, and

1190
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 8: he was like, oh, we're just going to chill here

1191
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 8: for a minute to go to the movies. I was like, well,

1192
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 8: I got to call my sister and tell her.

1193
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 7: And said it was your sister. And I told him,

1194
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 7: and he put me in the card ross the bridge

1195
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 7: and he let me out in front of my house.

1196
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 7: I never heard from him. But wait, d everybody, ain't everybody?

1197
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 9: Everybody tell me in your career, nobody has trying to

1198
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 9: test you.

1199
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 7: Oh well, I'm sure they have.

1200
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 8: I'm just saying I don't have any moments where I

1201
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 8: would have to, uh, you know, take anybody to court

1202
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 8: and all this drama.

1203
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 6: I said.

1204
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 7: And it's funny because we were saying, somebody something to me.

1205
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 7: I would if you this.

1206
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 8: I laughed the other day and I said this, and

1207
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 8: this is a quote. If you bothered, touch me wrong,

1208
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 8: or disrespected me. On Tuesday at two o'clock.

1209
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 9: By two o five, I was telling like, we not

1210
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 9: what that's beautiful if you have somebody to tell because

1211
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 9: you was at home what.

1212
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, people approached me.

1213
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 8: Yeah. I was back into a corner like, oh, I'm

1214
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 8: telling my sister better move that's beautiful.

1215
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 9: Just you know, it's also rare that radio people never

1216
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 9: have to move away from home. So the fact that

1217
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 9: you got to stay at home and that you did

1218
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 9: nothing but community, that's such a blessing.

1219
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 7: Blessing.

1220
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 8: And my sister traveled with me. But that was just

1221
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 8: the way I was raising then. My brother, you know,

1222
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 8: the nerd, the Harvard grad he you know, just by

1223
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 8: bullying me all my life and tickling me and wouldn't

1224
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 8: you know, sitting on me, wouldn't let me up.

1225
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 7: I learned how to fight pretty well, just getting out

1226
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 7: of those headlocks and stuff with it.

1227
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 9: How do you feel now fast forward that a lot

1228
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 9: of like, you know, not for nothing. Some of your

1229
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 9: brothers that you came up with and made famous are

1230
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 9: now kind of in the spotlight in that way, and

1231
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 9: the times are changing the things that weren't acceptable, you know,

1232
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 9: kind of.

1233
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 8: Like said, but I will say that they say success

1234
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 8: can make or break you. I mean, I've seen some

1235
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 8: brothers people that I know that little very disappointing and

1236
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 8: heart wrenching to see where they ended up, to see

1237
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 8: that money and fame.

1238
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 7: Maybe I don't know what to blame it on.

1239
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 8: I can't tell their story changes for I'm very, I'm very.

1240
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 7: I'm proud to be.

1241
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 8: Where I'm where I am now and stand in these shoes,

1242
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 8: and I like to raise every my nieces and and

1243
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 8: all the young women that I can teach to put

1244
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 8: those shoulders back and don't let you men treat you.

1245
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 7: I remember when the R. Kelly tape came out and.

1246
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 8: I walked into the radio station and the guys were

1247
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 8: in the conference room looking at it. Yes, and they

1248
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 8: were really scrambling looking for the remote to have it

1249
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 8: off by the time I hit the door. Oh, and

1250
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 8: that said a lot because they were not going to

1251
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 8: be watched that in front of me.

1252
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 7: That's the respect that I demanded, you.

1253
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 8: Know what I'm saying. And I remember, you know, like

1254
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 8: Shamar were coming to me. Why don't they talk to

1255
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 8: you the way they talked to me? And I was like,

1256
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 8: because you allow them. See when you stop somebody in

1257
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 8: their tracks and go I have to say it. You know,

1258
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 8: I'm a sports girl and I hang out with the guys,

1259
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 8: but the conversation a little left.

1260
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 7: Excuse me, lady in the room. I see it all

1261
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 7: the time. Wait wait, I went too far and I

1262
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 7: went too far. Bring it back. You have to demand

1263
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 7: that kind of respect.

1264
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 6: Was there ever.

1265
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 4: A time where you just felt like, okay, this this

1266
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 4: might be above my not above my pay perraade, but

1267
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 4: just sort of like where you might have gotten exhausted

1268
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 4: and not really know like.

1269
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,439
Speaker 6: Where you were where you stood with hip hop.

1270
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 4: I know, I know that people often get to that

1271
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 4: place where it's sort of like, okay, what is this?

1272
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 8: I remember getting burnt out. I remember being angry that

1273
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 8: it got so.

1274
01:03:58,200 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 6: Diluted water?

1275
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 3: Which hero was that?

1276
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 8: I want to say, most of the time when I

1277
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 8: was up there in New York, like nineteen ninety two

1278
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 8: three up in that area.

1279
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 6: What station in New York were you one?

1280
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 7: WBLS?

1281
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 6: Wow? Okay, you know I didn't even realize I.

1282
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 8: Was there when Frankie Crocker was the program director and yeah.

1283
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 6: What was he like?

1284
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 8: He was a I'm not not a not a nice guy,

1285
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 8: that's a dependent on You're.

1286
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 6: The only person I know that actually worked in proximity

1287
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 6: of him.

1288
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 7: Like there's a story, there's a story. He would call

1289
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 7: these staff meetings crazy early in the morning and basically

1290
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 7: talk about itself for like the first forty five minutes.

1291
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 5: The first five minutes.

1292
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 8: The first forty five minutes, na el Roy, I know

1293
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 8: so U yeah yeah. And then I remember I'm just

1294
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 8: being so or casting and I was just like, you know,

1295
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 8: Red Alert has all these contests.

1296
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 7: Because I was going up against Red Alert over at

1297
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 7: Kiss at the time, and I'm like, y'all don't have

1298
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 7: any contests or anything for me to give away. How

1299
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 7: am I going to compete?

1300
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 8: I'm not from New York, you know, I gotta come here,

1301
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 8: and you know, I'm getting my.

1302
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 7: Feet wet, but y'all I need some help.

1303
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 8: And he said, well, what do you want, Lady B

1304
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 8: And I said, well, can you I don't know, can

1305
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 8: they win a date with Big Daddy Kane or something?

1306
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 7: And he, you know, just showing off.

1307
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 8: He picked up the phone. He gets Warner Brothers on

1308
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 8: the phone. Of course, he said, that's done deal.

1309
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 7: You want anything else? And I'm like, no, that'll be enough.

1310
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 7: And it happened. So it happens so Bugsy. So we

1311
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 7: do the whole promotion.

1312
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 8: Cane goes on a date with the girl, you know,

1313
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 8: he do the pictures, blah blah blah, and we come

1314
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 8: back and Bugsy is on the air signing on.

1315
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 7: He's on He's on serious now and he's still on

1316
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 7: kiss I think so. He He'school's crossover with Frankie Clocker,

1317
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 7: and Frankie Crocker says.

1318
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, lady Be's jeans are fitting a little too tight today.

1319
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 8: I might have to fire her because you can't mess

1320
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 8: with company personnel. Wow, And I was so, I was

1321
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 8: so insulted. So I immediately started the west the Woolland

1322
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 8: Avenue and he came out quass and I'm.

1323
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 6: Like, who the.

1324
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 7: Kane, Big Daddy Kane saved my job and he put

1325
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 7: his hand over my mouth.

1326
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 6: Wow, was like, it.

1327
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 7: Was that happened?

1328
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 5: God, that happened.

1329
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 7: She's that happened. So those are some of my stories.

1330
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 7: I don't believe I'm sharing these stories in public. It's

1331
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 7: mary y'all not gonna tell us how the song came together.

1332
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 5: Boop scoop or whatever.

1333
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 7: No, but that too, well, I was talking about the

1334
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 7: roots Jawn. But yes, that too.

1335
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 8: They said, they said that I said it on the

1336
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 8: air all the time. They said, I said, I didn't

1337
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 8: remember this, but Tyreek and Meir said that I said

1338
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 8: something on the air without a doubt all the time.

1339
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 7: And then they took school school. He's beat right, Yeah,

1340
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 7: And they.

1341
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 8: Asked me to come in the studio and I'm like,

1342
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 8: come in the studio and do what they said. We

1343
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 8: just want you to say what you say on the

1344
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 8: radio without a doubt.

1345
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 7: I'm like, that's all I gotta say. They were like yeah,

1346
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 7: I'm like, all right, what.

1347
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, we had a tape of an old of an

1348
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 6: old show of hers.

1349
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 4: But you know, back then it was EFN radio and

1350
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 4: sometimes static would be I mean, now you know, I

1351
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 4: embraced in perfection and mistakes and all those things, so

1352
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 4: I would gladly sample someone with e FIN radio static

1353
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 4: back then.

1354
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 7: I love it. It's coming back to people.

1355
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 6: This sounds like a cheap radio. Let's get in to

1356
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 6: do it for real.

1357
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 8: So and it was the best session. They were blazing.

1358
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 8: I was like, we're allowed to do this in here.

1359
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:54,919
Speaker 7: This is amazing.

1360
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, I will say that.

1361
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 4: Fun fact, the Without a Doubt is the one song

1362
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 4: that we made that wasn't recorded directly.

1363
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 6: We didn't do a lot of the tracking. We didn't

1364
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 6: do that at Sigma.

1365
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 4: Initially we had to use the studio on consha Hocken

1366
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 4: and when we got to the studio.

1367
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 7: But I was in Sigma, but that's where I came

1368
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 7: to you.

1369
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 6: Did you did?

1370
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 7: I did my part.

1371
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 6: We did.

1372
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 4: We did the tracking in consha Hocken and we did

1373
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 4: it on Rick James's knave board that he did for

1374
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 4: street songs. And the engineer and the owner of the

1375
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 4: studio that purchased James h collected all the cocaine residue

1376
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 4: that that board had for at least seven years.

1377
01:08:56,360 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 6: And I swear to god it can fit like a garbage.

1378
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:02,640
Speaker 8: So let me tell you my Rick James story that

1379
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 8: scared me. And I know you're not lying. So when

1380
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 8: I was a young girl, another one of my jobs

1381
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 8: at the radio station was to get the artists to

1382
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 8: do drops. You know, we need to do drug This

1383
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 8: is j When I'm in town, I listened to whatever whatever,

1384
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 8: so I never forget it. Crazy little rock and roll

1385
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 8: white guy was our engineers.

1386
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 7: I loved him. Name was Alan. He was like all

1387
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 7: over the place. And Rick James walks into the studio

1388
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 7: and he just does He just lays.

1389
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 8: Down his long line on the console in the radio

1390
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 8: stage the radio station, and I'm standing like, oh crap.

1391
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 7: I ran back and told my boss.

1392
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 8: I was like, y'all do this off the ja like

1393
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 8: he's just doing lines right there and then Alan, He's crazy.

1394
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 7: He was like, dude, I want some and it was

1395
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:45,559
Speaker 7: just a whole thing.

1396
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 8: And it was a girl, girl, It was a whole

1397
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 8: I was.

1398
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 7: Like this like the book.

1399
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 4: Sorry, I was going to say, outside of hip hop,

1400
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 4: like you also had interactions with, you know, non hip

1401
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 4: hop artists as well, and like, at any point during

1402
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 4: your first five to ten years of being a radio personality,

1403
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:16,599
Speaker 4: did you also do non hip hop radio as well?

1404
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 6: Like this is Luther bandrooms.

1405
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 7: No no, No, three.

1406
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 6: Tour tickets for the Jackson's Like.

1407
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, I had to. We did, We did

1408
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 7: that other stuff on the station. Yeah sure, I mean

1409
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,840
Speaker 7: you know who didn't.

1410
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 8: No, I didn't go into regular format for like you,

1411
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 8: Like you said at the beginning of this conversation from

1412
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 8: you know, seventy nine eighty nine, it was just all

1413
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 8: I was.

1414
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 9: I understand listening audience, the privilege that you are listening

1415
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 9: to not only does she DJ, not only does she speak,

1416
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 9: she picked her own records. For ten years as a

1417
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 9: radio person it just don't happen.

1418
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 7: It just it don't does that doesn't happen anymore. I'm

1419
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 7: gonna tell you enough.

1420
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 8: Well, sometimes I guess I could tell this because he's

1421
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 8: no longer with us, But Mary Mason Son.

1422
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:01,639
Speaker 7: Was my job, was my boss.

1423
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:07,640
Speaker 8: And I remember he got into an argument with the

1424
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,640
Speaker 8: guy at uh what was running.

1425
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 7: Profile and.

1426
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 5: Many many Okay.

1427
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:19,760
Speaker 7: I want to say his name is Manny. Anyway, they

1428
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:21,879
Speaker 7: got in this big fight and I wasn't allowed to play.

1429
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 8: D And I remember taking a marker because he didn't

1430
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 8: know one rapper from the other, Like he wasn't into

1431
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:34,760
Speaker 8: hip hop, so I blacked out the labels so when

1432
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 8: he came in the studio wouldn't get caught.

1433
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 4: What I know, you have a billion of these stories, man,

1434
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 4: like you know the things that you got that about.

1435
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, I had to do that.

1436
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 8: He would kill He would come back to life and

1437
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 8: kill me if you knew that, But yeah, I would

1438
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 8: black it.

1439
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:51,600
Speaker 7: Was I just love sucker m see so much like

1440
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:52,760
Speaker 7: it's no way I'm not playing this.

1441
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 9: Be you the reason I rebelled. And then you want

1442
01:11:55,240 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 9: to say.

1443
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 7: A.

1444
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 4: Lady, b can you can you settle this this this

1445
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 4: Philadelphia rumor?

1446
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 8: Okay, I'll try. I mean I smoke just as much

1447
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 8: as the rest of you. My memory could be going,

1448
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 8: but go ahead, no.

1449
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 4: No, no, I mean this is This is thirteen year

1450
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,839
Speaker 4: old ninth grade a mirror asking this question.

1451
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 7: Oh god, yes, I'm here. What can I do for you?

1452
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 8: Dear?

1453
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:27,839
Speaker 4: Were you at all engaged to BJ in the morning

1454
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 4: from Power ninety nine or was that a rumor?

1455
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:33,879
Speaker 8: Okay, so let me tell you how that story started

1456
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 8: you what? So, first of all, we had a promotions director,

1457
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 8: so listen, we had a promotions director at the radio station,

1458
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:48,599
Speaker 8: and I want to say it was the Inquirer. Anyway,

1459
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 8: there was an article written and about all the radio

1460
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 8: stations in Philadelphia and they left us out.

1461
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:57,719
Speaker 7: They left out Power ninety nine. We got no mention.

1462
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 8: And this promotions director, she's pissed. She's like, how the

1463
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:03,680
Speaker 8: hell can they leave us out? Were the number one

1464
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 8: urban station? Blah blah blah blah blah. She goes, we

1465
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 8: have to come up with a real great gimmick.

1466
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 6: Oh no, I felt no.

1467
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 7: Listen, listen, patients, my brother patients.

1468
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 8: So she says, uh, Felicia Astride was just proposed to

1469
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 8: by her husband.

1470
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 6: What was his name?

1471
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 8: He proposed on the sports show remember right whatever on TV?

1472
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 8: Everybody knew I saw, so, uh, she says, you guys

1473
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 8: should do some kind of you know, like, gag like

1474
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 8: that and act like Bjay's proposing to you.

1475
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 7: So he we set it up.

1476
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 8: It happens post game of a Sixers game. It goes

1477
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:54,200
Speaker 8: up on the screen, the whole nine. We couldn't tell

1478
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 8: our co workers. Only the program director knew, and it's

1479
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 8: in his and this lady. We had to act like

1480
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 8: to really sell it. We had to act like with

1481
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:07,440
Speaker 8: our co workers that we were, you know, dating, and

1482
01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 8: they're like, oh, let me see you kids, and not

1483
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 8: fake kissm and uh they he proposed to me at

1484
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 8: the game.

1485
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 7: It goes up on the screen.

1486
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 8: The crowd is yelling, say yes, hey, no, the crowd's

1487
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 8: going crazy, and I'm laughing so hard, so I grabbed

1488
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 8: my girlfriend. I put my head down on her shoulder

1489
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 8: as if I'm crying, but I'm really laughing. But I

1490
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 8: got to try to play this off so everybody thinks

1491
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:34,680
Speaker 8: I was crying and I you know, and I've just

1492
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 8: ran off, like you know, I can't give an answer now,

1493
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 8: blah blah blah. Then we milked it on the air.

1494
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:43,640
Speaker 8: BJ proposed to me, Well, she say yes, blah blah blah.

1495
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:46,760
Speaker 8: The whole it just got out of it just got

1496
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 8: out of hand. So then we're hosting the new Edition

1497
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 8: show at the Spectrum and we come out and we

1498
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 8: make the announcement. He goes, I want to introduce you

1499
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 8: to my new edition. The lady B said yes, we

1500
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:57,759
Speaker 8: came out the stage.

1501
01:14:58,760 --> 01:14:59,719
Speaker 7: He say yes.

1502
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 8: But in all of this hanging out and pretending, he

1503
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 8: ended up really cracking on me. Oh, and he ended

1504
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 8: up really proposing to me what and yeah, he proposed

1505
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 8: by putting the diamond ring in an ice tray and

1506
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 8: told me to go get him some ice or something.

1507
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 8: And we got.

1508
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 7: Some ice and he was like, look at the ice,

1509
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 7: and he was like, look at that. I was like,

1510
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 7: what is this? It was the whole thing. Anyway, it

1511
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:27,760
Speaker 7: turned out to be.

1512
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:30,600
Speaker 8: A very horrible relationship that I might say, may he

1513
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,719
Speaker 8: rest in peace too. It turned out to be horrible,

1514
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:36,599
Speaker 8: one of the worst relationships in my life. But at

1515
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 8: first it was a gag and then it really happened,

1516
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 8: and then I really ran away from it.

1517
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 4: I just remember the day after I guess the Sixers

1518
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:52,120
Speaker 4: thing happened. Just every that's all you know. And this

1519
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 4: is before social media.

1520
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 7: So right, we were our home solid.

1521
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 4: This was a very viral thing that it was the

1522
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 4: talking to barbershop.

1523
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:05,840
Speaker 6: Yes, exactly, and I always wanted to do that.

1524
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 4: Wait, Fante, I gotta explain to you, because I know

1525
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:10,639
Speaker 4: we'll skip thiscombobulated boob belated.

1526
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 7: He really wants to know that.

1527
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 5: I really want what about to talk about?

1528
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 6: Yea?

1529
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 5: What is that?

1530
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 9: You?

1531
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 6: You would know him as Joey b Ellis.

1532
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 5: All right, the Rocky five Digga, right, But.

1533
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 4: Before he was Joey b Ellis, the singing, the original Drake,

1534
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 4: the singing rapping.

1535
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:32,559
Speaker 6: No, No, that was a big deal.

1536
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 4: Like his thing was like I sing and I'm rap,

1537
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 4: you know, and you know, people like what about TJ.

1538
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:40,679
Speaker 6: Swan He's like, well he can't rap.

1539
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 4: Like so that was his little niche right, So in

1540
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 4: about like eighty five eighty six, he comes out, you know,

1541
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 4: after school, he came out to do PSK and totally

1542
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 4: just revolutionized, yeah, fully hip hop.

1543
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:56,320
Speaker 6: Right.

1544
01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 4: Then there came a whole slew of other Philly acts

1545
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 4: with their little yellow labels with hand drawn cartoons and

1546
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 4: all that stuff.

1547
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 7: Design their own labels, made their own clothes.

1548
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 6: Right, and that person was he was. He was called

1549
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 6: the singing the mc breeze before he was Joey b Ellis, Wow,

1550
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:16,560
Speaker 6: and he did.

1551
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 4: He did a song that was so popular, but unfortunately,

1552
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 4: like the last verse was about a melee that happened

1553
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 4: in a Chinese restaurant, and of course you know he's

1554
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:32,760
Speaker 4: playing all the stereotypes of Chinese people about that.

1555
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 7: He was like, yeah, that was the song was.

1556
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:42,799
Speaker 4: Like number instantly, number one, and I remember that Lorraine

1557
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 4: Bauer morol.

1558
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:46,639
Speaker 7: Oh no with Asian.

1559
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, like Lorraine ba Moore was very offended of the

1560
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 4: song and like gave a special news like that's the

1561
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 4: first time we heard about like you can't perpetuate stereotypes

1562
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 4: and this.

1563
01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 7: Is very exactly. So he was just like that's hip hop.

1564
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 8: School Indeed, why didn't you haven't you asked me about

1565
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 8: how much problem I had with Schoolie.

1566
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:11,560
Speaker 4: I didn't even get. I didn't even know it was.

1567
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 4: You played BSk and all his records so much.

1568
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 8: So Schoolly came to me right on, I just got

1569
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:20,599
Speaker 8: my job on FM. You can't tell me nothing.

1570
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:23,880
Speaker 7: I'm on the radio radio, like this is this is real.

1571
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 7: It was just a joke before this is real real.

1572
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 8: I got a whole job, right and here comes School

1573
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 8: with his record with I don't know at least twenty

1574
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:35,720
Speaker 8: five thirty curse words. I'm like, school, what am I

1575
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 8: supposed to do with right? And he started crying, you

1576
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:42,799
Speaker 8: won't play my record. He's sitting on the curve.

1577
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 7: He's so dramatic. I can't ask school. He School. He

1578
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:47,759
Speaker 7: will tell you the story.

1579
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 8: I believe that I made his ass cry that he

1580
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 8: was sitting on the curve and I wouldn't play a song.

1581
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:57,679
Speaker 8: So he would bring me like a six minute song

1582
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:01,640
Speaker 8: that had about, like I said, a skillion fuck's in it.

1583
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 8: And I remember me and Jeff Mills taking it, putting

1584
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 8: it on real to reel and doing our own cut

1585
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 8: tape edit on a real to reel like yep, take

1586
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 8: out his curse word tape back up, put the tapes

1587
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 8: a lot back on the real and after I took

1588
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:21,840
Speaker 8: out the cousin words, school, he song went from like

1589
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:24,880
Speaker 8: six minutes to about two point fifty.

1590
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 7: And that's the and that's the.

1591
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:31,640
Speaker 8: Part I played until the company had to do me

1592
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 8: at radio edit.

1593
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:34,639
Speaker 7: But at the beginning I had to do my own

1594
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 7: radio edit, and thats the way. We didn't have the

1595
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 7: equipment and stuff, you know, the technology we have now.

1596
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 4: One of my one of my favorite nights of yours

1597
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 4: was the the aforementioned uh Steady be versus Will Smith battle.

1598
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, now that's the tape I can't find.

1599
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:55,559
Speaker 4: Dude, Okay, So Will Smith will forever, He'll forever have

1600
01:19:55,680 --> 01:20:01,480
Speaker 4: my respect because he somehow got the call. He freestyled

1601
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:05,320
Speaker 4: that Steady Bee was a munchie chi and I just

1602
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 4: remember at that point Steady Bee actually wanting to fight

1603
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 4: Will and then like.

1604
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 8: And I did not help matters any because I thought

1605
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:18,800
Speaker 8: it was the funniest is I had ever heard. And

1606
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 8: I think the fact that we all laughed made him

1607
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 8: really angry.

1608
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 6: Yo, we were all laughing.

1609
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 8: But that was the era when Shante stepped off that stage.

1610
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 8: That was the era when you had to come off

1611
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 8: off the top of your head.

1612
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 7: And just you just had that. That was actually what

1613
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:38,879
Speaker 7: you call free styling. That was freestyling people that environment.

1614
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 4: They underestimated Will because they were like, well, you're not

1615
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 4: real hip hop, you're suburban, you talk all proper.

1616
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 7: First of all, he was a suburban. He lived in

1617
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 7: my neighborhood. Exact that he wasn't out there.

1618
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 8: Gang banging and talk about it, be grabbing his jawn

1619
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 8: and acting.

1620
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:55,599
Speaker 7: And you know, we didn't come up in a one

1621
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 7: parent household.

1622
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:58,600
Speaker 8: We didn't learn how to respect women and stuff just

1623
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 8: because he wasn't raised like that. Wow, not mean he

1624
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 8: wasn't a part and just as authentic and true to

1625
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 8: hip hop as everybody else. That is what I love

1626
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:10,639
Speaker 8: the most about him. That's when Will was the first one,

1627
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 8: you know who made me. His lyrics made me smile.

1628
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 8: I'm card happy hip hop and.

1629
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 7: Everybody else was all bravado.

1630
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 8: I got a big back Cadillac, I got just no,

1631
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:24,759
Speaker 8: you don't you live in your mama house?

1632
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 6: I stopping right?

1633
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 7: You know what I mean?

1634
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:27,040
Speaker 6: Fact?

1635
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 8: But Will was like the first one. I mean, you

1636
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 8: know it was. It was It was funny, it was fun,

1637
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:36,599
Speaker 8: it made you smile, and then you put a dope

1638
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 8: DJ like Jeff with him and it was just the

1639
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 8: greatest combination ever.

1640
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 6: Wow.

1641
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 4: I can I can go on and on nerding out forever.

1642
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 9: It's been beautiful seeing your friendship too, and how it's

1643
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 9: evolved and stuff you Jeff and Will, and how they

1644
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 9: still come out and support you.

1645
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 7: That shit is dope.

1646
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 8: I just texted the guy that saw the movie set

1647
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:57,360
Speaker 8: with him. I'm like, tell well, I need a one

1648
01:21:57,360 --> 01:21:59,599
Speaker 8: minute video of him congratulate me for my fortieth.

1649
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 7: They got text back. He's doing it as soon as

1650
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 7: he gets out of such and such and like thank you.

1651
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 6: He lives for Instagram posts.

1652
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 8: So you know, Jay you missed was my thirties and

1653
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:13,519
Speaker 8: he came home to surprise me, Like I didn't even

1654
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 8: know he was coming to the show.

1655
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 7: Really, he performed with Salt and Pepper. He did what

1656
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:17,639
Speaker 7: a man.

1657
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:20,680
Speaker 8: He performed with Chuck and flave. He got out there.

1658
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 8: He was a whole s one w he did lot

1659
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 8: of He stayed on stage all night and wait and

1660
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:31,599
Speaker 8: there's more. It rained torrn your rain. It was like

1661
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:35,559
Speaker 8: the hip hop woods Stock people did not leave. They

1662
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 8: stayed in the rain. Will was shaking me. Are you

1663
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 8: having as much fun as me?

1664
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 7: I'm like, I don't think. Wow, he stayed on stage

1665
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 7: all night and surprised me. It was the dopest thing ever.

1666
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:51,479
Speaker 6: Well, you deserve all your flowers, you know, eighty one.

1667
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:56,960
Speaker 4: You just you literally introduced me to the world that

1668
01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:59,720
Speaker 4: I get to that I built it in an empire.

1669
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:04,560
Speaker 6: Wow, that says a lot. You know.

1670
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:07,160
Speaker 9: Forget about your radio mentees around here, because she got

1671
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 9: a lot of those in the world too.

1672
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:11,479
Speaker 7: Oh yes, I love that one.

1673
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 8: That's that's my little mini lady because she only and

1674
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 8: does she sit up here and and act like she asked.

1675
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 8: But he ain't let nobody say nothing to her either.

1676
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 7: She was the only one who was stabbed and he

1677
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:23,599
Speaker 7: was to speak up. Yeah, that's right. He watched me.

1678
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 8: He watched me one right there, proud of that one

1679
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 8: right there, and you watched me get fired to girl.

1680
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 7: So it's all good.

1681
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 5: You have any you got any children?

1682
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 6: Like?

1683
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 7: No?

1684
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 8: I I tried, but my sister again, I talk about

1685
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:39,920
Speaker 8: her so much.

1686
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:41,840
Speaker 7: She's been going for two years now.

1687
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 8: No, my sister uh gave me kids and then my

1688
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 8: old man passed away on me and he left me kids.

1689
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 8: So am I a mother and a grandmother? Yes, to

1690
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 8: every extent of the word. I have taught him to walk, talk.

1691
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:57,919
Speaker 7: Potty trained, school meetings.

1692
01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:01,400
Speaker 8: I am a mother and a birth and I am

1693
01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 8: a grandmother and I know I literally you know. I

1694
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:07,000
Speaker 8: remember when my sister took ill, she had a stroke,

1695
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 8: and I was taking care of her in her latter years,

1696
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 8: and the doctor asked her, you know, you don't have

1697
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 8: a high blood pressure or anything. You don't do you

1698
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 8: worry about anything? It says you have three children and

1699
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 8: seven grandchildren. She says, no, I don't do that my sister, and.

1700
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 6: She meant it.

1701
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 7: I raised her kids. She was She called me her

1702
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:25,639
Speaker 7: baby daddy.

1703
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 8: She sent me cards on Father's Day. You the dopest

1704
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 8: dadd Yeah, but that's dope. Yes, they walked right past

1705
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:36,280
Speaker 8: their mother come to me.

1706
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:40,679
Speaker 10: Crazy, discombobulated. But I'm not what is this that that title?

1707
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:41,840
Speaker 10: What is what was that song?

1708
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 4: I don't know, but if you you that was the

1709
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 4: that was the I didn't know that was that was

1710
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:50,160
Speaker 4: the offensive.

1711
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 5: That I didn't know that was the Georgie got it yea,

1712
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 5: got it Google.

1713
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 4: If you remember the follow up the girls in None

1714
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:04,719
Speaker 4: but Trouble, a song called just one of those days,

1715
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 4: just right?

1716
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:09,560
Speaker 6: When when when answer.

1717
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 7: To that too, we did Boys of the World ain't nothing.

1718
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:14,599
Speaker 8: Guys of the World ain't the answer.

1719
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:16,880
Speaker 7: But that was my song.

1720
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:20,880
Speaker 4: Like him, I'm just saying, when Will talks about kicking

1721
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 4: the Felix cat, he's giving a reference to yeah brisk Bobla,

1722
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 4: where yeah, yeah, verse one, he kills the cat, he

1723
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:29,720
Speaker 4: throws it.

1724
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:32,439
Speaker 6: On the roof and the.

1725
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:34,960
Speaker 7: Roof in the year Yeah, it's it's very.

1726
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:39,599
Speaker 6: Nothing exactly exactly.

1727
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 8: Charlie Mack asked Breeze opened up my show Sunday, and

1728
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:47,599
Speaker 8: I'm like, I don't they don't think we have enough time.

1729
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:52,720
Speaker 7: No, I don't mean that disrespectfully. I don't matter. It

1730
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:56,360
Speaker 7: sounded like, yeah, no, it's just that we have so

1731
01:25:56,479 --> 01:25:59,040
Speaker 7: many artists on. I wouldn't mind. He opened up for

1732
01:25:59,080 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 7: the Juice.

1733
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 8: Crew bat he still and he did every word of

1734
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:04,160
Speaker 8: this Combobie Beauty Don't get It Twisted?

1735
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 6: Wow, Yeah I.

1736
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:08,599
Speaker 8: Would if I had the time. I literally have seven acts,

1737
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:09,639
Speaker 8: and you know they put us out.

1738
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:11,800
Speaker 6: Of the Dell. Yeah.

1739
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:13,720
Speaker 8: I probably won't even I probably won't even get the MC.

1740
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:14,839
Speaker 8: I'll probably be like I'm.

1741
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:21,840
Speaker 4: Next, Well, I won I really hope that you seriously

1742
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 4: start preserving your archives because you are the history of

1743
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 4: hip hop.

1744
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 5: So that's why I am man.

1745
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 7: I'm going to donate some of them.

1746
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 8: I wish you could see my, my, my, she came

1747
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 8: down here because.

1748
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:38,040
Speaker 6: I have your house in two seconds, I.

1749
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 7: Have every gold album.

1750
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 8: I'm looking at run DMC, I'm looking at L Jeff

1751
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:46,599
Speaker 8: and Will. I'm looking at this is hip hop history

1752
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 8: down here on the world.

1753
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:48,679
Speaker 5: The ass you beat.

1754
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:51,919
Speaker 10: So I'm just thinking, now, what was your relationship with

1755
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:54,439
Speaker 10: with the pop art guys like Lawrence Goodman, Like what

1756
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 10: was what was that?

1757
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 9: Like?

1758
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:58,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, can you tell us what Laurence? No one wants

1759
01:26:58,040 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 6: to talk about Lawrence Goodman?

1760
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Speaker 7: Put the He'll sue you.

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Speaker 8: I was just gonna saying either, do I because Bill

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01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 8: talked about him and he freaking sued him.

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Speaker 7: Because I can tell you some ish.

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Speaker 8: I can tell you, Yeah, coming in my house threatening

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Speaker 8: me and stuff.

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Speaker 7: Ye yeah, see these days, is he.

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01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 8: Still I did see him not too long ago.

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01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 7: He's got all this great hair, is really long beard.

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Speaker 7: I did.

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Speaker 8: But it's a shame that you can't say things because

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01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 8: people might sue you.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, man, you never know, people might get super ltis.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I've heard many a story about uh the

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Speaker 4: pop art these but.

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Speaker 8: Well, just to let you know, like I said, prefra

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01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 8: to my sister again, my sister shafted them and thought

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Speaker 8: of them as some kind of jokes.

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01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:50,759
Speaker 7: She wasn't scared, So I truly wasn't gonna be scared.

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Speaker 9: Well, can you just tell Lee Daniels that, yes, we

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01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 9: would watch the movie because I know he's thinking.

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Speaker 6: He needs to do that.

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01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:04,080
Speaker 8: Yes, yes, funny, yes, who only man keeps asking him

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01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:04,760
Speaker 8: you should.

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01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:06,800
Speaker 7: Do a movie lady b blah blah blah blah blah.

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01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:09,240
Speaker 7: He gonna listen, he gonna listen. You know who's gonna play?

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Speaker 6: You be?

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01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:09,800
Speaker 7: Who is it?

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01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 9: Who?

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Speaker 7: What's her name?

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01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:11,000
Speaker 6: Who's gonna be?

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01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 7: We're not We're not, No, We're not.

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Speaker 6: Okay, that's a good one.

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01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:20,400
Speaker 7: I'm taking it. I'm taking I've told you all enough.

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01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:22,320
Speaker 7: I'm taking the rest of my grave. Oh okay, so

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01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:23,760
Speaker 7: you got it in your mind? You just want to

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01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 7: share it? Ye, okay, Okay, y'are a stupid This is

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01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:31,880
Speaker 7: cool the first time somebody's hanging up with us.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 7: A drum lesson. You can try to deny me all

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01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 7: you want, but I want.

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Speaker 6: Time.

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01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:39,559
Speaker 7: I see you. Don't even say hello.

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01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 6: I see him like drum lessons. Yes, I don't even

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01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:43,880
Speaker 6: say hell.

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01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 8: First, No, I'm grown and what and what? I don't

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01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:53,040
Speaker 8: have any more patience in the house to take care

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01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:55,160
Speaker 8: of the kids are going. I can actually get me

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01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:58,400
Speaker 8: a set and bang out, I say.

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01:28:58,240 --> 01:28:59,000
Speaker 7: This, wake up the name.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna have to send a drum set now, Okay, should.

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Speaker 7: My God, I would die. I would die.

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Speaker 4: That's that's that's the least I could do for you

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01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 4: for changing my life again. Congratulations on your forty years

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Speaker 4: as as a pioneer for changing all our lives.

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01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 6: We're all the better for it.

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Speaker 4: And another forty another four hundred years of your legacy,

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Speaker 4: may it last.

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Speaker 6: Thank you for doing our show.

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Speaker 7: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 8: This has been so much fun. I felt like I

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Speaker 8: just had a whole conversation with my homies.

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Speaker 6: You did, you did?

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01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:29,200
Speaker 5: Did feel like word?

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01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:34,840
Speaker 6: Absolutely well. I'll see you all the next round, y'all.

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Speaker 4: This is Quest Love on behalf of Lady b fon Sigolot,

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Speaker 4: Sugar Steve, Today, Bill and Lying.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, all right next time. Hey, this is Sugar Steve.

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