1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: The guys from paying. They've kind of showed me how 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: much the equipment matters. 3 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 2: I just love that I can hit any shot. 4 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 3: I kind of want we're gonna be able to tell 5 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 3: some fun stories about what goes on here to help 6 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 3: golfers play better golf. 7 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? It's the Ping Proven Grounds Podcast. No 8 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 2: Marty Jerts in this week, but I got a couple 9 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 2: of guests, so I think I'll do okay. Shane Bakerlong's 10 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: that Victor Howlin and Shane Knight fellas. It's Phoenix Open Week. Shaye, 11 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:24,319 Speaker 2: I want to start with you on this is this 12 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 2: the toughest caddie week just in terms of trying to 13 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 2: keep the chaos away from your player very much? 14 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 4: From what I hear, I hear it's a little bit 15 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 4: better the last couple of years. Hopefully it's a little 16 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 4: bit better this year. But still you're expecting Kyle sets 17 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 4: for sure. 18 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 2: I mean there's some physical walks like Augusta obviously is 19 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 2: kind of a brutal walk in terms of carrying a 20 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: bag for the week, but I'm assuming you'll take physical 21 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:48,919 Speaker 2: battle in terms of caddy and over trying to keep 22 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 2: everybody sane around your play. 23 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, especially on the weekend, Saturday is usually pretty crazy, 24 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,319 Speaker 4: you know, once you get on ten, eleven, twelve. Well, 25 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 4: the backgun in general, it's just an absolute you know 26 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 4: what about. 27 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 2: For you, Victor? I mean it like a lot of 28 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 2: the time, you're your world, you're kind of in your bubble. 29 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 2: It's relatively quiet. This is a week where there's just 30 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 2: you're just not gonna hear quiet. Right, It's gonna be noisy. 31 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 2: It's gonna be allowed. You're somebody that doesn't shot away 32 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 2: from noise and loudness, maybe away from the golf course. 33 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 2: Do you enjoy it? Is it annoying? What is it 34 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 2: like for you as a player? 35 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: Yeah? 36 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 3: I think you know kind of what you're getting into. 37 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 3: You know it's going to be allowed. So the more 38 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 3: energy you try to make it quiet or you let 39 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 3: it distract you too. 40 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: Much, I think it just it's not gonna help. 41 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 3: So I think just kind of embrace it and just 42 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 3: focus on the game and you start making birdie and 43 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 3: you have a good time and it's not going to 44 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 3: be a problem. 45 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 2: Do you enjoy the golf course? Is it something that 46 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 2: the golf course that you enjoy playing? I know you've 47 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 2: played here with this year, fourth time, I believe. 48 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 1: I believe. 49 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 3: So yeah, I haven't had a great success around here, 50 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:46,839 Speaker 3: but I actually really do like the golf course. 51 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: I think it's it's good. It's nice to kind of. 52 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 3: Start off the year with a golf course that's really 53 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 3: firm and fast. I mean we actually played here yesterday 54 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 3: and then greens for really fast and super firm already, 55 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 3: so I enjoy it. It's a really good test of golf, 56 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 3: and the rough seems to be up a little bit. 57 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 3: You have to drive it really well, you have to 58 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,399 Speaker 3: do everything well. So I enjoy a company here. 59 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: You. 60 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: I mean, we're recording this on a Monday, a Sunday 61 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: practice Rund. I'm assuming its rarity for you is that 62 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 2: just because of the golf swing stuff you work on, 63 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 2: is that while you went out there on a Sunday 64 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: or just wanted to go out and play. 65 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 3: I was actually in Orlando working with Grant and I 66 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 3: was going to stay there until Sunday and then fly 67 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 3: here last night. But I think the forecast was twenty 68 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 3: eight degrees in Orlando, so I wasn't going to get 69 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 3: a whole lot of practice done, not going to play 70 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 3: much golf and it's might as well come here and 71 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 3: see the golf course. Well, nobody were around. 72 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a little bit better than what we 73 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,119 Speaker 2: saw in Florida, especially with the LPGA. I know you're 74 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 2: doing some swing changes and working through some swing stuff. 75 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,399 Speaker 2: What are the changes specifically, Like, what are you doing 76 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 2: if you can get a little nerdy in terms of 77 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 2: the golf swing? 78 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 3: Sure, I mean kind of what it's been plaguing me 79 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 3: for I mean almost two years now. It's like I've 80 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 3: been really struggling getting off the ball like I've been 81 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 3: I think, in an effort to chase speed, been trying 82 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 3: to get really fast off the golf ball, but I 83 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 3: did it in a way where I just ended up spinning. 84 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 3: So when my pelvis just spins around, my torso kind 85 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 3: of collapses down. My hands get really deep, and now 86 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 3: at the top of the swing, like my pelvis is 87 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 3: to the left, but my torso is so far right 88 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 3: I just can't get back, so I end up just 89 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 3: like really spinning hard. 90 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: So we've been doing. 91 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 3: A lot of backswing work, and for me it's been 92 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 3: tough because a new motor pattern has kind of festered 93 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 3: itself in there. So then I have to I know 94 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 3: what I need to do, but then finding the feel 95 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 3: of how to accomplish it is difficult. 96 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: But the last week with. 97 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 3: Grant has been very very you know, it seems some 98 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 3: good progression, and I felt like, now the backswing is 99 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 3: at least looking very very close to what he used to. 100 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 3: And now when I noticed, because of my past tendencies, 101 00:03:55,920 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 3: I've had so much weight on my right side that 102 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 3: now that I'm a lot more centered in the back swing, 103 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 3: it's hard for me to move further left than the downswing. 104 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 3: It's like I feel too far left. So now I'm 105 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,119 Speaker 3: just gonna go back to my wife and spin again 106 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 3: because that's what I've been used to doing. 107 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: So that's kind of where we're at. 108 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 3: And last night, the last couple of hours, it's just 109 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 3: hitting balls on the range and and hitting a few 110 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 3: balls on the on the course kind of eight and 111 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 3: nine there as I was building this new move of 112 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 3: just like getting to the top now that's good and 113 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 3: feeling like I'm for me, it just feels like I'm 114 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 3: going hard left, which I'm not. And as soon as 115 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 3: I started doing that, I started seeing the ball flights 116 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 3: kind of come out in the better window and. 117 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: Consistency was a lot better. 118 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 3: So we're finally kind of putting the pieces back together 119 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 3: a little bit. 120 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 2: Getting through the hard part of the swing changes and 121 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 2: feeling and shawe when a player like Victor who I mean, 122 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 2: I know, when you when you got the chance to 123 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 2: get on the bag, you know, right out of those 124 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: amateur career. I mean, one of the things you talked 125 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 2: about was this guy hits it and if you misses it, 126 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 2: he misses it at one spot. When he comes to 127 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 2: you or comes to the team and says, hey, I'm 128 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 2: thinking about doing some swing changes. As a caddy, how 129 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 2: deep into that process do you get? I mean, are 130 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 2: you are you chatting with coaches about things to kind 131 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: of like talk to him about when he's you know, 132 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 2: out on the golf course or on the on the 133 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: practice range, Like what is your role in a swing 134 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 2: change process? 135 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 4: Not much at all. Like obviously Victor's you know, he's 136 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 4: a boss. He would do what he wants to do. 137 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 4: He wanted to generate speed back in the day, and 138 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 4: you know, obviously created that speed, but obviously the ramifications 139 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 4: come with that. And now we're trying to put the 140 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 4: speed and the straightness as we should say back into 141 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 4: the game. So he's slowly getting there, but you know 142 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 4: it's it's a work in progress, that's for sure. 143 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: Say, I know scav kind of introduced you guys. Is 144 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 2: that kind of the way this whole thing played out. 145 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 2: When Victor obviously has this incredible amateur career and play 146 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 2: so great at the US Amateur, When you have that opportunity, 147 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 2: what's the process like as a caddy when you obviously 148 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 2: you know, you have an opportunity to take on you know, 149 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 2: number one rank damater in the world as he turns professional. 150 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 4: Ye, honestly, it was all all happened, you know, pretty fast, 151 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 4: because obviously I met Victor in Mexico. I just went 152 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 4: and introduced myself and because he was going to Australia 153 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 4: to go and play some tournaments down in Sydney, where 154 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 4: I'd originally from, So we just had a quick chat 155 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 4: there and then I got a phone call from Sam 156 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 4: mc norton. He his agent at the time, and so 157 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 4: I went out to Oklahoma and had a chat with 158 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 4: Hovey and yeah, we had breakfast and then went on 159 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 4: the golf course and yeah, it just went from there. 160 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 4: So you know, it was all very smooth in terms 161 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 4: of the way it worked out, and obviously it's worked 162 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 4: well so far, so it's been good. 163 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: Victor. 164 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 2: What's the relationship like in your world with a caddy? 165 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 2: I mean, do you want him to be a pal? 166 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 2: Do you want him to be kind of somebody you 167 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: work alongside? Like? What is y'all's relationship when it started 168 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:50,799 Speaker 2: and how has it evolved over the years. 169 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 3: I Mean, obviously, this is a job and it's high 170 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 3: stakes out here, so number one thing is you've got 171 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 3: to be good at your job, of course, But I 172 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 3: think what Shay also does a good job of this 173 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 3: just you know, he's just a good person and a 174 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 3: good guy, and we really get along. We have conversations 175 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 3: that's not just golf. We can talk on multiple different levels, 176 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 3: and I think that just gives me a little bit 177 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 3: extra security when I'm out there on the course, because 178 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 3: it does get especially when things are not going your way. 179 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 3: It's it's pretty frustrating to be out there and just 180 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 3: to be in the golf headspace all the time on 181 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 3: the golf course, yeah too much sometimes. 182 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: I mean, just anything to talk about. I mean, you 183 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: but you're in I mean, you know, one thing I 184 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 2: think is so fascinated about you victories. You're you're young, 185 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 2: yet you're into very different stuff than so many professional 186 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 2: golfers out there. I mean, before we got going, I 187 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 2: was like, are you gonna pay attention to the super Bowl? 188 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: And I'm even Shay's like, I don't even know who's 189 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 2: in the super Bowl. I know you guys have been 190 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 2: traveling around a lot, but I mean I was seeing 191 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 2: last year you're reading what Plato and Aristotle and things 192 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 2: like that, Like, what are you into right now? What 193 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 2: are you reading right now? 194 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: I haven't gotten into Aristotle. 195 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 2: I'm just is like a kindle thing? Are you like 196 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 2: carrying the actual book? 197 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: So carrying the books? Yeah, like just having the physical 198 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: book and. 199 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and it'll look good on the shelf, you know, articulate. 200 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 2: Going what do you travel to Phoenix with? What's that? 201 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 2: What's the book you read right now? 202 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 3: I'm just finishing up on Martin Heidegger Being in Time. 203 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 3: It's probably one of the most complicated books I've ever read. 204 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 3: I probably should have started with something else, but it's 205 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 3: very fascinating. And uh, I just ordered a niche of 206 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 3: books that's next in line. 207 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 2: What are you trying to get out of this out 208 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 2: of this stuff. I mean, obviously you're diving into historical books, 209 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 2: not anything. I mean, I think there's some topical stuff 210 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 2: in there, and there's some stuff that you know was 211 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 2: written what two three hundred years ago? What are you 212 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 2: trying to get out of this? Is this something you're 213 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 2: trying to get out of it personally or you just 214 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 2: it just interesting? 215 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 3: I just really I've always enjoyed philosophy, and I think 216 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 3: in order to understand the present, it helps to understand 217 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 3: the past and a lot of the emotions and stuff 218 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 3: that we're feeling and going through culturally. Even though we're 219 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 3: definitely living in a very dis time, it's nothing new. 220 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 3: It's all been written about and from thousands of years ago. 221 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 3: And these are super intelligent people. So I really just 222 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 3: enjoy kind of listen to their perspectives and and then 223 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 3: forming kind of my own philosophy in my own worldview 224 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 3: as to how I should live my life. 225 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 2: Are you a writer? 226 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 3: Like? 227 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 2: Do you journal? 228 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: I do journal? 229 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 3: Actually have been been doing like journaling every day for 230 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 3: almost two years now a computer on a book. 231 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 2: Okay writing, yeah, nice, look at you. 232 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: But my handwriting sucks. 233 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 3: And I wouldn't say I can see, my vocabulary has 234 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 3: gotten better. But it's like when you're doing writing, just 235 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 3: as what you're doing, it's hard to write in like 236 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 3: a novel style. So it's just it feels like a 237 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 3: fourth grader just writing. 238 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 2: It just takes so much longer. 239 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I will depend like that. So my handwriting 240 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 3: it's just terrible. 241 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 1: Barely. 242 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 2: Okay. How's your autographic? Is it legible? Can you read 243 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 2: your autograph? 244 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: It's legible, but it's not pretty. 245 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: Okay, it's a whole palm level autograph. 246 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: I can't even remember what his looks like. Beautiful. 247 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 2: That was his big thing, you know. He was like 248 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 2: I wanted to be able to read it. 249 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so that part of it I got, But 250 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: it's not beautiful. 251 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 2: People can know it's from victob Shay. Have you gotten 252 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,319 Speaker 2: into Victor's world at all, like in terms of philosophy 253 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 2: or the podcast you listened to I know obviously has 254 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 2: a unique style in terms of the music he listens to. 255 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 2: Have you ventured into his world at all? 256 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: Or do you do your. 257 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 4: Own thing with regard to philosophies and stuff like that? 258 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 4: Not so much in terms of UFOs. I've always been 259 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 4: a believer, Okay, So you know, you're talking about that 260 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 4: on the golf course, and you know what comes with that. 261 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 4: We we talk about and you know you do you 262 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 4: listen to podcasts, et cetera. But in terms of the philosophies, no, 263 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 4: not so much, Shay. 264 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 2: I read that your this is I think this was 265 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 2: from two thousand and eight, so I'm gonna assume this changes. 266 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 2: But it said your dream forced them to play golf 267 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,839 Speaker 2: with was Meela Cunis, Blake Shelton and Aaron Rodgers. 268 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 4: Has that definitely still definitely all right? Yeah, okay, Blake Shelton, 269 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 4: that's so much. Now, Okay Rodgers. I used to carry 270 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 4: for Matt Jones back in the day and we played 271 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 4: at Pebble Beach with Aaron Rodgers and he was a 272 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 4: great guy. So that was a really good folsome so 273 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 4: I'd probably keep him in there. 274 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 2: But we're kicking Blake out. Yes, sorry, buddy, Yeah, sorry, buddy. 275 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: That's a good fine. 276 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 5: It was early, and that's why I was getting a 277 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 5: little bit nervous. I'm like that, that's a long time 278 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 5: when a new father. But I like two of the 279 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 5: three year I was probably gonna listen to this. I'm 280 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 5: thinguring I going to get in trouble. 281 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: He could have been. 282 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 2: Shay, what's the best shot you've ever seen Victor hit? 283 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 4: There's been many, but I think to a championship, Well, 284 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 4: he is that out of the trees. 285 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 2: Two years ago on eighteen. 286 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was you left or twenty left. We're in 287 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: like fifth place. I think that was even either twenty 288 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: twenty or twenty one. Yeah, maybe twenty one. 289 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a joke, but you know, there's been 290 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 4: so many good shots. 291 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 2: Would you hit it to you had close? 292 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 3: Well, we were in the left trees in like Bermuda rough, right, 293 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,599 Speaker 3: and you have that tree on the left side, and 294 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 3: I was kind of on the level with that, and 295 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,599 Speaker 3: then there's some bushes in front, so I had to 296 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 3: get it keep it underneath kind of the canopy of 297 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 3: the trees. But also it's Bermuda rough, so you try 298 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 3: to kind of lean left a little too much, it 299 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 3: might not come out, and you have obviously water to cover. 300 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 3: So it hit like a five iron and got it 301 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 3: on the green then made birdie. 302 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 4: So that was that was pretty sick. 303 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 2: That yeah, I mean, is it one of those ones 304 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 2: where he hits it and you see it in the 305 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 2: air and you're like, are you kidding me? I mean, 306 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 2: I mean I remember I remember caddying for a front 307 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 2: of mine one time in US Opened Final qualifying and 308 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 2: it was like wind in two off the right water, 309 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 2: right cut three wood and it comes off the face 310 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 2: and you're like, I don't have that golf shot. I mean, 311 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 2: you know there are certain shots on no pros hit 312 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 2: where it kind of floors you. 313 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, because as a caddy like you, you're thinking, okay, 314 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 4: well you don't want to be here, you don't want 315 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 4: to be there, and like you're just praying that a 316 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 4: pull comes off, and all of a sudden you say 317 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 4: it come out, and you're like few and then obviously 318 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 4: he hates a gritty like that was an unbelievable shot. 319 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 1: Left it just short of the green. 320 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 3: I think I chipped chipped on one put whatever it was, 321 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 3: and there's that bunker there that's like forty yards short 322 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:26,599 Speaker 3: of the green, barely covered it. 323 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 1: So it got like the down slip of God. 324 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 4: Super lucky, but it was unbelievable shot. 325 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 2: Victor, do you have a best shot you've hit in 326 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 2: your life? I mean, the ice plant shot comes to mind, 327 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 2: because there is there a shot that kind of pops 328 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 2: in your head is like the best golf shot you've 329 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 2: ever hit. 330 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: It's hard to it's hard to pinpoint, it's it's hard 331 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 1: to pick. And He's just like, unfortunately, I just forget 332 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: a bunch of them totally. I remember the bad ones 333 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: way more. 334 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 2: But I feel like that's something that is a great 335 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 2: skill years, right. I mean, you're not somebody that lingers 336 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:54,479 Speaker 2: on the past. 337 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 3: Right, I'd say, uh, you know that the chipping on 338 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 3: the Ryder Cup, Uh on the first hole that that was? 339 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: That was really memorable. Yeah, that was that was really cool. 340 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 2: Kind of moving away from you. And I mean also 341 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 2: I think getting your day off, you know, for you, 342 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 2: who's somebody who has talked so much openly about pitching 343 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 2: the golf ball. I'm assuming chipping in for you, right, 344 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 2: You're like, let's go here, pretty tasty. Yeah, that's a 345 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 2: good way that I was gonna ask about the Ryder Cup, Shay. 346 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 2: I mean, it feels like such a personal experience for 347 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 2: everybody involved. I remember talking to scob about the Ryder 348 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 2: Cup this past year, obviously as an American catting for 349 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 2: you know, a European player, and he even talked about 350 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 2: the nervousness of going into the week and the feelings 351 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 2: he might have and then being obviously all in with 352 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 2: his player. What is it like for you in terms 353 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 2: of the personal approach to the Ryder Cup as a caddy? 354 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 2: I mean how involved you are, how invested you are, 355 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 2: and then being out there, you know, watching the battles 356 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 2: that go on within the players and the teams. 357 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 4: Well, you know, I consider the ride account probably the 358 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 4: best week of my career personally. The reason bane is, 359 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 4: you know, you walk into that in your room and 360 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 4: it honestly feels like family. From you know, people behind 361 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 4: the scenes to plays caddies. Everyone's getting to get the 362 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 4: you know you obviously you get your play a section, 363 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 4: caddy section, but everyone's eating breakfast together, you know, dinner together, 364 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 4: and it's just the camaraderie that comes that's involved with 365 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 4: it is just something icon of describe. I'm getting Goose, 366 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 4: I'm thinking about it now. It's it's just an unbelievbeled experience, 367 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 4: which you know, cherry shrew the rest of my life 368 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 4: for sure. 369 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 2: Victory. Is there a level of the first swing of 370 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 2: a Ryder Cup like where you were kind of like 371 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 2: blacking out and fearing that you're gonna make contact or 372 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 2: does it just you just go into your process. 373 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was, say a Beth Page, it 374 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 3: was I actually felt the most calm, Oh wow, I 375 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 3: have just because that first all is pretty easy. 376 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 2: You hard, if it cuts, it's fine. 377 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: And the I'd say in Rome, that was like different. 378 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 3: I was most excited because I was I mean, I 379 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 3: was playing the best golf of my career. So it 380 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 3: is more of showing up to the first t like 381 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 3: this is awesome, I'm gonna show what I've got and 382 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 3: whistling straight. 383 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: That was you know, my first one. We were playing 384 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: away I know European fans. I was very very nervous. 385 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 2: Yea. It's been three very different rider crops for you 386 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 2: in your career at this point, right, I mean you've 387 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 2: kind of got post COVID one and then obviously you 388 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 2: get a home win and then away win. I mean 389 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 2: it is different, and then you know, I mean you 390 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 2: had these incredible ups. I mean I think about what 391 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 2: was it nine and seven? Was that the wind? 392 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: Yeah? 393 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 2: Nine and seven pet times saw that you said you 394 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 2: should have been in a better time zone on the 395 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 2: American side, so the fans could have really embraced and 396 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 2: seen that and then this past one. I mean, obviously 397 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 2: the Europeans win. I mean, I know you were battling injury, 398 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 2: and I know it probably felt a little bit like 399 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 2: a donner on the back end. What was what was 400 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 2: it like for you, Let's say, Sunday evening into Monday, 401 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 2: Indie Tuesday, Like, what were your emotions about that Ryder 402 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 2: Cup because you guys win, but I know obviously, I 403 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 2: mean you were dealing with an injury and couldn't play 404 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: on Sunday. 405 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was definitely a little just bitter 406 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 3: from my perspective, just because bitter sweet in a way, 407 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 3: bitter sweet just because I felt like obviously being injured sucks, 408 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 3: Like for me, that sucks, but also just kind of 409 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 3: having coming out in the media and obviously that becoming 410 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 3: a talking point with that concession. 411 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: Rule and all that stuff. 412 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 3: It's like the first two days, the way that we 413 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 3: played as a team collectively and how Luke Donald handled 414 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 3: that Captaincy, I mean, it was it was unbelievable just 415 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 3: to be a part of and I remember, just in 416 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 3: terms of Captaincy, unbelievable and just seeing all the putts 417 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 3: that we made as a team and to have that 418 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 3: lead against home field fans at Bethpage Black, like they 419 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 3: were not holding back and we just showed it to 420 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 3: them and just to kind of be a part of that. 421 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 3: And having my injury it almost felt like it tainted 422 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 3: some of that on Sunday and so that that really 423 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 3: kind of left a bitter taste in my mouth. But 424 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 3: at the end of the day, we won, and I 425 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 3: think you know, most people that were watching it felt 426 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 3: like we deserve to win that one. 427 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 2: So I'm assuming reflection wise, a couple of weeks after 428 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 2: a month after whatever, you could enjoy it. But I'm 429 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 2: assuming a couple of days after probably felt a little 430 00:17:58,119 --> 00:17:59,479 Speaker 2: a little bit of a bummer, I know, And that's 431 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 2: that's the considering the way you guys played the first 432 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 2: couple of days. I know, I was I'd gone on 433 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 2: a couple of shows instead, I think the Europeans are 434 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 2: going to blow them out, Like I really felt like that, 435 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 2: And so when Sunday happened, I was like, can we 436 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 2: win a few more matches because it was getting a 437 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 2: little too tight for me after the predictions I had 438 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 2: a lot of people earlier and we call me a genius. 439 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 2: Then Sunday, like, what's going on? Here, so I'm assuming 440 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 2: you were kind of hoping for a blowout too. We're 441 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 2: in Phoenix, obviously, I wanted to ask you. I'll give 442 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 2: you a whole in one sixteen here on Saturday. I'll 443 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 2: give you seventeen at Sawgrass. Whichever day you want, you 444 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,239 Speaker 2: can have it Friday, Saturday. I'll give you twelve at 445 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 2: Augusta during a tournament day early, and then let's throw 446 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 2: out eleven at the old course, maybe at the Open 447 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 2: next year. Which one are you taking. 448 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: A question? I mean, sixteen here's that's pretty iconic. 449 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 3: But uh, I think I'm gonna have to put twelve 450 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 3: at Augusta a little bit, not a lot there. 451 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 2: I think there's been three, maybe really only three. 452 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 1: I think. 453 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 2: I don't think there's been a hole in one on 454 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 2: twelve since ninety eight, no way, So I think that's 455 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,719 Speaker 2: the last one. They had not know that. Yeah, it's 456 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 2: been a long time, or maybe even eighty eight. I 457 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 2: mean it's been a long. 458 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 3: Time since week I guess, when do you put those 459 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 3: pins on the right nobody's going for those. 460 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: You hit it over there? You hit a terrible shot, Yeah, 461 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: you hit the wrong shot. Victor. 462 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 2: The relationship with Ping obviously it's been a part of 463 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 2: your career. How did it begin? I mean, I'm assuming collegiately. 464 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 2: I mean it was it was a part of what 465 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 2: you did there. But how has the relationship been and 466 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 2: how did it start and how has it been throughout 467 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 2: your career. 468 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean not to speak for Ping side of this, 469 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 3: but when I played the Masters in twenty nineteen and 470 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 3: had Coach Bretton on the bag and you know, we're 471 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 3: walking past the clubhouse and we see this onle Lion 472 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 3: family sitting there on a on a table and Coach 473 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 3: Bratton just goes, this is a Hull Lion family. And 474 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 3: we got up and just shook hands and and I 475 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 3: think that was that was the first introductory moment. And 476 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 3: then as I was about to turn pro later that year, 477 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 3: that's when I started to play some of their clubs 478 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 3: and and the Mountain. 479 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: I really liked it. 480 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 3: And obviously the Norwegian heritage as well was was really cool. 481 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 3: So it was, uh, yeah, it just seemed like a 482 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 3: perfect fit. 483 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's been a it's obviously been kind 484 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 2: of a part of your career, and now it feels 485 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 2: like family. I'm assuming that's something Ping kind of prides 486 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 2: itself on. And then you get this new truck. I 487 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 2: mean it's the first time we've both been able to 488 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 2: walk in. I like it because we have the whole upstairs. 489 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 2: But I mean you you walk in and you're I mean, 490 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 2: you're such an easy person to talk to and you're 491 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 2: such an easy person to be around, and it feels 492 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 2: like that's kind of what it feels like within these trucks. 493 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 2: And I know that's not always the case in golf, 494 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 2: especially professional golf, is it can feel very kind of individualized. Yeah, 495 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 2: and I'm assuming that feeling of like being a part 496 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 2: of something that feels comfortable is something I'm assuming you're 497 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 2: you're embraced in and liking. Yeah. 498 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 3: I mean you show up here and you know that 499 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 3: everyone's working hard, everyone knows what they're doing, and just 500 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 3: paying is known as it's an engineering company, and just 501 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 3: having Carson Solheim's history and I mean the guy was 502 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 3: just a polymath and being able to build the best 503 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 3: equipment possible. To know that you have these guys in 504 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 3: your back and they're there obviously one to one to 505 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:06,959 Speaker 3: do a good job for you so that you can 506 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 3: go out and play better. So it's just a it's 507 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 3: a really nice symbiosis and we're a great team. 508 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 2: Shay, you're doing a number for Victor on the golf course. 509 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 2: What's your favorite number? What's the what's your favorite when 510 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 2: you're when you get this number, you're. 511 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: Like, here we go. 512 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 2: This one's gonna be this is like dialed for Victor. 513 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 4: Jeez, Honestly, longer clubs the better. 514 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 2: Okay, So part five, like two fifteen, You're. 515 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 4: Like, guy, you know, he is a four or five 516 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 4: six eye in his hand. He's he's usually dialed in. 517 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 4: You know, that's usually his bread and butter. So you 518 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 4: know that's why he's you know, you look at golf 519 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 4: course and you're like Tampa, for instance, which is a 520 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 4: second shot golf course. You know, I've said all along 521 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 4: that he he should play this tournament because it is 522 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 4: a seven second shot golf course and you know, having 523 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 4: six seven irons in his hand, you know, he just 524 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 4: does it in. So I'd say that those stubble distances 525 00:21:58,720 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 4: for sure. 526 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 2: Victory. You got one. You have a number you get 527 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 2: excited about when Shaye tells you. 528 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 3: I mean just because you can have the same number, 529 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 3: but it's different, right, you know, wins altitude the ball 530 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,360 Speaker 3: goes way further here of grass, So it all depends. 531 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 3: But I mean Toschae's point usually with a yeah, four 532 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 3: or five six iron, I'm pretty dialed. 533 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: In you like that one. Yeah. 534 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 2: I remember talking to you a couple of years ago 535 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 2: with the Wells Fargo. I know that was kind of 536 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 2: the time where you felt like you were struggling with 537 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 2: your golf game and you were a bit down, and 538 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 2: then you almost won the PGA the next week. How 539 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 2: quickly can it change for you in terms of the 540 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 2: way you feel about your golf game, the golf swing, 541 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 2: things like that. I mean, is it truly weak to 542 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 2: week for you in terms of the way you're feeling 543 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 2: about your golf game. 544 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 3: Well, the thing is I probably put way too much. 545 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 3: I shouldn't say way too much, in my opinion. I 546 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 3: really look at the technical standpoint, like what is what 547 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 3: is my swing producing right now? And I know that, Okay, 548 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 3: the dispersion pattern is not very good. It doesn't feel 549 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 3: very good. I can tell it's not very good. But 550 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 3: I know that I'm a great player. I can make 551 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 3: this work some week of the year because I'm good. 552 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: At this game. 553 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 3: Now, the thing is that, yes, I almost won the 554 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 3: PGA or PGA that week. That's where I felt like 555 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 3: I found something and kind of just row that out. 556 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,640 Speaker 3: But for example, if we look at twenty twenty five, 557 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 3: when I still wasn't swinging it very good and wasn't 558 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 3: very happy the valspar that I won, I had my 559 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 3: best playing week of my career. Again, like over seven 560 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 3: shots plenty US Open, I have my best short game 561 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 3: week in my entire career. So I'm not saying it's 562 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 3: like you might find something, you might play well, but 563 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 3: it's I have to do other extraordinary things to be 564 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 3: in contention versus before I just roll out of bed 565 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 3: and hit it nice right, you know. And that's if 566 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 3: you look at a Scottie shuffler, that's what he's doing. 567 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 3: He knows that his game is really good, and he 568 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 3: expects it to be good every single day because technically 569 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 3: it's sound. 570 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 1: That's where I want to get back to. 571 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 3: But that doesn't take away from the fact that I 572 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 3: can show up here and almost win the tournament. 573 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: But it's it's very high anxiety throughout the whole. 574 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 2: Week when you're kind of battling that. I mean, are 575 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 2: you how close are you to feeling that? Because I 576 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 2: know in Dubai you said you felt like if you 577 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 2: went after it, you weren't quite sure where it might 578 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 2: end up. Like, how close are you to that? How 579 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 2: close are you to feeling that golf swing where you 580 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,360 Speaker 2: roll out of bed and you're like, this is coming 581 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 2: out of the center. I know where it's going. 582 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, it felt like really far away because even 583 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 3: though I had a nice week, it was kind of 584 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 3: had a had a rough finish there to take me 585 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 3: out of a top position to like kind of in 586 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 3: just an okay week, but I was still hitting some 587 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 3: shots that were just horrendous, and so obviously when you 588 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 3: were in the thick of it, it feels like you're 589 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 3: really far away. But after seeing the progress that I've 590 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 3: had with Grant the last week, now at least the 591 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 3: backswing is is looking a lot better. Now I had 592 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 3: the chance to hit good shots, and then I think, 593 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 3: as I just put the emphasis on okay, I have 594 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 3: to move more this way, I have to get pressure 595 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 3: more on the left foot so I don't sit back 596 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 3: and spin around, and just because that is the correct remedy, 597 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 3: if you will, and I already start to see improvement 598 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 3: in ball flight, then it's gonna become more addicting to 599 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 3: do that, and it's gonna be better and better and better. 600 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 3: Now one thing is doing that on the range on 601 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 3: the course in the practice round, and then he's doing 602 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 3: that in the tournament. So we're a little bit away 603 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 3: from there. But I think as I see improvements every 604 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 3: single day and it becomes addicting to hit better shots, 605 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 3: it's gonna go. 606 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: It's gonna come back pretty quick. 607 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 2: Looking ahead at twenty twenty six, in terms of the 608 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 2: schedule and especially the major championships, is there a major 609 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 2: you're most excited about, a golf course you're most interested 610 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 2: about in terms of getting to and playing and competing at. 611 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,719 Speaker 1: I don't even know where all the majors are at 612 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: this year. To be quite honest with you, I. 613 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 2: Feel like you're a genius in certain worlds, and in 614 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 2: other worlds you're like, we'll show up and see. 615 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: Well, it's like, you know, it's this is gonna costs 616 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: gonna be a US Open this year? Yeah, No, I 617 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 1: heard about that. 618 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 2: It's kind of historic. Yeah, I think it's a good 619 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:01,360 Speaker 2: golf course. 620 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 1: For No, here's the not to. 621 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 3: You know, like, I'm not trying to put sympathies all 622 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 3: myself or anything. But it's as I've been struggling with 623 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 3: my game, the more I try to like look forward 624 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 3: to these things, it's because I want to play well, 625 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 3: really bad, and as I'm looking forward to them, and 626 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 3: then I show up on the range and just hitting 627 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 3: shots all over the world, It's like, what's the point 628 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 3: of looking forward to this tournament if I'm gonna shoot 629 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 3: a million? So I'd rather just like, yeah, So I'd 630 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,959 Speaker 3: rather just like figure my game out first and then 631 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 3: we can look forward to going to. 632 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 2: Shot get into it. I mean that you've played well 633 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 2: at all four majors. Is there a major you feel 634 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 2: like fits your game the best? Is there one that 635 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 2: you feel like makes the most sense for when you're 636 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 2: playing the best? Victor Hoven level golf. 637 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 3: I really do enjoy links golf, but obviously with links golf, 638 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,719 Speaker 3: there's a lot of randomness to it, so you can 639 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 3: you can play great, but you get a couple of 640 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 3: bad bounces end up in pop bunkers and et cetera. 641 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 3: So I wouldn't bank on that one being the one 642 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 3: that if you're playing well, I wouldn't put all my 643 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 3: money on that one. 644 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: If that makes sense. 645 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 3: But I've obviously traditionally played well at PGA setups, and 646 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 3: I think even a US Open should fit me fairly 647 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 3: fairly well so, but I believe when I'm playing well, 648 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 3: I can win any of them. 649 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, Shay, how much has caddy and changed over the 650 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 2: last decade. I mean it feels like it's just so 651 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 2: much more of a professional job now. It feels like 652 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 2: guys are way more dial in terms of their practice, 653 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 2: their process, all that stuff. How much is caddy and 654 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 2: changed compared to maybe even the player changing. Where guys 655 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 2: are working out all the time now and they're so 656 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 2: focused on speed and things like that. 657 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head. 658 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 4: In terms of working out. You see a lot more 659 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 4: caddies working out. Okay, not so much drinking anymore. Back 660 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 4: in the day when I first started, you know, that 661 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 4: was pretty prominent, you know, people going out and drinking 662 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 4: the night before I golf tournament. 663 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,719 Speaker 2: Little much. Yeah, we've lost the caddy nicknames too, by 664 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 2: the way. Yeah, I think we need to bring those back, man. 665 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 2: I mean, we don't have a ton of great caddy 666 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 2: nicknames like. 667 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 4: We've been on the flip side of it, you know, 668 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 4: I think it's become a lot easier because the attage 669 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 4: books are so much better now. You know, as a caddie, like, 670 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 4: if you don't want to do the work, you've got 671 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 4: all the information that you need in the outage books 672 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 4: to get around the golf course and get your play 673 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 4: around the golf course with the ease nowadays, which is 674 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 4: kind of disappointing because I consider myself an extremely hard 675 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 4: worker and you know, I want to get the small 676 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 4: things for Victor whenever we need it. So yeah, it's 677 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 4: it's hit and miss with regard to that Victor. 678 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 2: Last thing. I know you've talked a lot about when 679 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 2: you travel doing something that's not golfy. Are you still 680 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 2: doing that? I mean now we're kind of going into 681 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 2: the season, so now it's a little bit more like 682 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 2: process working out hotel things like that. 683 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much. But I always have other things that 684 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: I look forward to doing and and other interests that. Yeah. 685 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 2: I mean, it just it can feel so mon honest 686 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 2: when you don't do stuff away from it. I remember 687 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 2: talking to Justin seb about this one time, and he said, 688 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 2: I just sit in a hotel for six hours and 689 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 2: watch Netflix, right, and it's like he's just trying to 690 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 2: do some different stuff. And I'm assuming you're somebody that 691 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 2: understands the importance of breaking it up. Fellas. I appreciate 692 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 2: the time. Good Luck this week, good luck this season. 693 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 2: Excited to see it, Excited to see it come out 694 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 2: the window you wanted to come out to. This is 695 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 2: the Ping Proven Rounds Podcast