WEBVTT - Mel Gibson: Fires, Faith, and Flight Risk 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.800 I wonder if this is or if you're regarding this 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:05.480 as a spiritual preparation for. 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:07.960 The Resurrection movie you're about to embark on. 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:10.559 I feel like I'm, you know, I'm being stripped down 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:13.000 and prepared for something else. 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:15.640 Now that's maybe very personal, but. 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:18.079 I feel like I feel like the Almighty is preparing 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:19.160 me to do something big. 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:32.239 I'm raim an Arroyo. Welcome to Arroyo Grande. I'm so 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:35.680 glad you're here. This is our inaugural voyage into the 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:39.360 wild currents of this culture. My conversation with Mel Gibson 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:43.559 is straight ahead, and it's both moving and insightful. He 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:46.400 tells us about how he's recovering from the loss of 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:49.960 his home in the LA Fires, and later the backstory 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:53.159 of Braveheart, which I'd never heard before. Mel takes us 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:57.600 behind the scenes also of his latest project, Flight Risk. Okay, 0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:00.000 before we dive in, I thought I should give you 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:04.080 a little itinerary of what I hope this applaudcast means 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:06.240 to you. I hate the term podcast. I use a 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:09.040 plodcast because when it's over, I want you to applaud. 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:11.680 I'm too broad for a podcast. We're not chickpeas and 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:14.120 we're not coffee. We'll call it what you want as 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:16.440 long as you subscribe to a Royo Grande and keep 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:18.800 checking in with us. As most of you know, I've 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:21.720 written a string of New York Times bestsellers for adults 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:25.280 and kids, some adults who act like kids. I've been 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:28.679 on TV for decades and I started in kindergarten. Yes 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:31.200 I did, But this is a new adventure for me. 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:33.800 It's more direct, not hemmed in by time limitations and 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:37.360 much else. On each Arroyo Grande show, I'm going to 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:41.000 navigate and analyze the culture with you. We'll hit lifestyle 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:45.560 trends and manners or lack thereof the arts, faith, pop culture, 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:49.880 comparing what is to what went before and sharing what 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:52.760 it all means. Will celebrate the best in the culture 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:56.160 while lampooning the rest. And along the way, we're going 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:59.520 to talk about and to some incredible people about their work, 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:03.560 their lives, their passions, and un earth practical advice in life, 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:07.480 lessons and examples that we can use in our daily lives. 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:10.080 And hopefully we'll have a few laughs along the way. 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:12.919 The Arroyo Grande in the title, by the way, does 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:17.360 not refer to big Ray. It's the grand flowing waters 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:20.359 of life that I'm interested in exploring. At the end 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:23.520 of this episode, I'll tell you why we're doing all 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:26.120 of this. That's called a cliffhanger, So hang with us. 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:29.040 But I'm going to start this and every episode with 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:30.760 what I call a free flow. 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:34.280 Here goes what happened to going to the movies? Oh? 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:37.120 I know, I know you're sitting home now, you're watching 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:41.240 Hulu and Netflix, but admit it wasn't going to the 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:44.960 theater fund I would argue it's also important to us 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:48.760 as a people we forget how long we've been watching 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.720 images in the dark. The first Nickelodeons were introduced in 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:55.960 nineteen oh five, We're moving images could be viewed. Soon 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:59.880 projectors gave way to incredible movie making, then the Talkies, 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:04.200 and by nineteen thirty three, drive ins were introduced. Like sports, 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:07.360 movies gave all Americans and the world a way to 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:11.880 relax and escape reality. Together, that all came to a 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:15.239 screeching halt in twenty twenty when COVID hit A recent 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:20.040 Harris poll found that two in three people prefer to watch. 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:20.560 Movies at home. 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:24.799 Now are they watching what I'm watching? Big Stars and 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:26.799 kind of pathetic, half baked vehicles. 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:27.360 Admit it. 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:31.200 Charlie's Sarren and a forgettable spy thriller is not exactly 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:34.440 mission impossible, And is Eddie Murphy doing another reboot of 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:38.520 a really great film this week? It all feels disposable, 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:43.160 and because we aren't watching it together, it is disposable. 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:44.200 It's like gum. 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:46.800 It might taste good for a few minutes, but you 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:49.080 won't share it with your neighbor, and you'll never discuss 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:52.000 it tomorrow with your coworkers. We just aren't going to 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:55.040 movie theaters that often, and that's bad for us and 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:58.960 it's bad for our kids. According to Advan in twenty 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:03.680 twenty four, attendance at the cineplex is still thirty three 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:07.240 percent below twenty nineteen pre COVID levels. 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:08.400 Look, I get it. 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:11.840 I've spoken to studio heads who say we've not had 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:15.920 enough consistent, high quality product, which broke the habit of 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:19.000 movie going. People still want to be entertained, but they 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:20.680 feel they can do it at home or in their 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:25.719 jammys or boxers. The studios have offered up mostly franchise 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:30.839 reboots Jurassic Park, Deadpool, Star Wars or whatever. Live action 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:35.920 remake Mess Disney is releasing this week. Little incidental question here, 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:40.960 how did CGI animation become live action? I'm asking for 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:45.839 a friend, Pinocchio, No wonder audiences are staying home only 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:49.560 Oppenheimer broke through the non franchise flick a few years ago. 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:51.760 And Barbie, but she. 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:54.200 Was kind of an established franchise. Come on, every girl 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:57.640 had one. Here's why it matters because when we come 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:00.520 together with strangers and we sit in the dark and 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:05.200 enter the dreamland of the filmmaker's imagination, something incredible happens 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:10.640 up there. Nicole Kidnan even looks younger. Heartbreak feels good 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:12.920 in a place like this, but not when you can't 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:15.080 keep the doors open or when the guy next to 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:18.400 you forgot to shower. There's a crucial cultural reason that 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:20.960 we should go to the movies as a group. When 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:24.760 you're in that darken theater, you're sharing a human experience 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:27.799 with others. It's not some isolated thing on your phone 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:32.599 via earbuds, but a shared moment as one. It's almost 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:36.719 sacred when it works. I would argue, like sporting events, 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:40.680 we need these times together. When you're being entertained as one, 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:44.400 it's easier to live together as one outside the theater. 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:48.200 Movies can be and we're for decades a source of 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:51.919 cultural unity. We shared the same references, We loved and 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:55.960 hated the same characters. Sam Spade and Indiana Jones and 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:59.640 Dorothy Gail, Rhett Butler, Fredo Corleone. We all knew these 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:04.280 character It's hard to come up with any contemporary examples 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:09.360 with that kind of ubiquity. Wolverine aside to try to 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:12.960 lure people in theater, owners have now gone from Technicolor 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.880 to three D, to Imax to those damn shaking seats 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:18.000 that make you want to hurl your snowcaps all over 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:20.400 the row in front of you. Now they brought booze 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:23.719 and lazy boys in that'll only lull the audience to 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:26.640 sleep and make them feel they could replicate the experience 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:31.960 at home in loungewear or underwear. To bring back movie going, 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:37.279 Hollywood has to improve their product make films rides we 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:41.120 all want to go on together. It's important for society 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.279 and the civility of our kids to develop the habit 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:46.840 of coming together and learning as a group and being 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.839 entertained at the same time. If we want to grow 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:52.560 as a people and if theater owners want to fill 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:55.760 their chairs, they should heed the words of that great oracle, 0:06:56.240 --> 0:07:00.479 Nicole Kidman, who once said, we make movies better. 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:05.800 We'll see and that's a wrap. Okay, let's go into 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:06.279 the deep. 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:10.520 Here's a man who's been making movies better for forty years. 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:13.680 He's an Academy Award winning director for his Brave Heart, 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:15.760 and if there were any justice in the world, he 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:17.920 would have won Oscars for the Passion of the Christ 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:21.840 and Apocalypto as well. I sat down with Mel Gibson 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:24.280 twenty years ago on the set of The Passion, which 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:28.160 I can't believe, and conducted the first interview about. 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:28.920 That landmark film. 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:31.920 Now you're going to hear about his latest movie, a 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:35.600 thriller called Flight Risk. It's an interview we recorded at 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:39.000 his house, which is coming up. But when these horrible 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:42.480 fires struck la in January of twenty twenty five and 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:45.520 he lost his home, I wanted to see how he 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:48.320 was doing and talk to him about the recovery. Mel 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:52.320 Gibson joins me. Now, Mel, thank you for being here. Mel. 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:54.120 What did you think. 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:56.160 When you drove up to the beautiful room People will 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.960 see in just a moment where we conducted this interview. 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:02.120 When you saw your neighborhood, when you saw your entire community, 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:05.720 what was what did you imagine or think at that time? 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:09.520 Well, first, you know, I thought it was just oh deep, 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:12.680 bad luck, tragedy. But then I think I came to 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:18.680 realize that it was monumental mismanagement by our elected officials. 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:21.560 And that's the nicest thing you can say about it. 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:25.360 Yeah, I've been listening to your governor Gavin Newsom, and 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:29.760 he's promising LA two point zero, or reimagined Los Angeles. 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:32.680 He even says he has a Marshall Plan. Is that 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:34.920 what you and your neighbors want right now? 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:39.720 Well, you know, I mean, as a citizen here news 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:41.600 them at bath They want us to trust him to 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:45.840 reimagine the city, our city, you know, in how they 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.760 think it should be. And I mean, look what they've 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:51.240 done so far to this town, you know, I mean, 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:55.240 you got nothing but rampant crime, acute homelessness, high taxes, 0:08:55.840 --> 0:09:00.920 mismanagement of water, firefighters, defunding the department. And we're supposed 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:03.480 to trust them with millions of dollars to sort of 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:06.600 remake where we live. It's our city, it's the city 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:11.360 of the people and they have another plan, and you 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:13.960 know he's saying, build back better. You know this concept 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:17.640 is that's man that's got whiskers on it. Everybody says it. 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:20.720 And have you ever seen government build back better? I 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:23.360 mean there's still people from the Woolsey fire living in 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:24.480 trailers and stuff. 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:27.800 Okay, when have you seen the government build back better? 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:32.079 Very very social engineering, environmental regulation and spending. That's the 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:34.319 last thing any of us have been burned out in 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:37.960 need or a bunch of bureaucrats telling us how to 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:39.160 rebuild our communities. 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:40.000 I just think it's. 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:44.239 At the very least it's insensitive. 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.560 Yeah, well, I mean and with the water challenges, I mean, 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:51.440 the just focusing on the water mill, the reservoir that 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.360 was left empty, which is the second largest in your 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:59.719 community in all of the state. That alone raises such 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:03.199 int tense questions. And it boggles the mind that now 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:06.160 you have these people saying, but we should be entrusted 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:07.480 with rebuilding the future. 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:09.120 You couldn't hold onto the present. 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:13.360 No, They've they've done, you know, they've bungled it. I think. 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:17.800 I mean, there are those who say, well, was it intentional? 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:19.960 Do they need to rebuild the Olympic village and clear 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:22.360 you know, like the cattle barrens clearing off land or 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:27.319 you know, I won't go that far, but it certainly was, 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:32.440 you know, the perfect storm of events, you know, with 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:37.520 no water, defunded fire department, not enough personnel, and the 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:41.400 second largest reservoir in the state, you know, to take 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:45.760 care of the communities of the Palisades Malibu, La County. 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:49.560 They should have had a backup plan, and they knew 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:52.280 it was coming, and they had other places where they 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:52.960 could pump. 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:56.640 The water from and actually fill that to be ready. 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:58.560 They knew it was coming. Yeah. 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:02.319 Well, look, as you know, I lost my house in Katrina. 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:04.600 Our family lost our house, and it was gutting and 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:06.680 it was awful. But you know, I came to see 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:08.720 it as a as a great blessing in my life 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:12.200 in time. I was struck. This week you did an 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:16.160 interview and you said in passing you see this loss 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:18.240 of your home as a purification. 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:23.120 How so, well, it was an. 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:29.839 Odd mixture of sadness and kind of a weird realization 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:33.040 and blessing. I think because I thought, you know, they're 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:36.920 just things. I mean, yeah, I'm going to miss some stuff. 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:40.000 There was valuable stuff. There was personal stuff that just 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:48.679 breaks my heart, you know. But you know, I feel 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:51.400 like I'm you know, I'm being stripped down and prepared 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:52.959 for something else. 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:56.480 Now that's maybe very personal, but I feel like I 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:56.959 feel like. 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:59.120 The Almighty is preparing me to do something big. 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:01.720 Well, I have to say when I when I heard that, 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:04.920 I thought, I wonder if this is or if you're 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:07.880 regarding this as a spiritual preparation. 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:10.840 For the Resurrection movie you're about to embark on. 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:13.160 Yeah, I think that's kind of it. 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:16.520 It's like, hey, look, God gives, God takes. We come 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:18.600 in with nothing. That's the same way we go out, 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:24.439 you know. And here's the deal. You'll always be okay. 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:27.199 If you seek first the Kingdom of. 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:28.120 God, you'll always be okay. 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:29.920 You'll get what you need. Look at the flowers of 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:31.520 the field, Look at the birds of the air. They 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:34.520 get fed, they get clothed. I mean, it's Matthew, I think, 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:37.720 but I'm a That was one of my dad's favorite passages. 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:40.800 He said, stop worrying about stuff, about money, about stuff. 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:45.240 So you know that that's I think. 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:47.400 I you know, he put that in my head when 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:49.560 I was very young, and it stayed and I believe it. 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:52.920 You know, Yeah, well, how has your faith gotten you 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:54.960 through the smell? I mean, I know you're in a faith. 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:58.000 I know you practice your faith devotions. 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:01.440 I mean what it's always a moment because people don't 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:05.240 understand unless you've gone through this, the geography of your life, 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:09.319 the daily visuals of your life are suddenly gone. It 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:11.920 is to me that was worse than losing the house, 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:14.679 mel losing the coffee shop, losing the friends, losing the 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:18.080 icons of my childhood that I you know that I 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:20.880 remembered that I that I reveled in every day. 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:25.760 Yeah, it's yeah, it's kind of an opportunity to recreate 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:26.400 your path. 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:27.200 I mean it's a. 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:30.920 You know, you gotta you've got to look at the 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.839 upside of this. I mean there's plenty of downside and 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:40.120 but honestly, I see it as kind of a blessing 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:44.880 and the purification. So, yeah, you lose, Yeah, it's going 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:48.040 to be murdered getting the insurance. I mean, everybody's renigging, 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:50.280 and you know it's going to be a real, a 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:51.319 real clusterbuster. 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:52.479 Yeah. 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:56.840 But uh yeah, anyway, that's all I had. I I 0:13:57.040 --> 0:14:00.360 uh uh, you know, I got a lot of faith. 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:03.680 Yeah, not in our elected officials, no, no. 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:05.120 No, but it makes you free. 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:07.520 But personally it frees you in some ways from the 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:10.000 things you have to you've been carrying around for the 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:12.439 even you know, even the things you thought you needed, 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:14.720 you realize you don't need a whole lot. 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:16.720 No, you don't do the work. 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:18.800 I'll tell you a funny story. I mean, it's cold 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:22.360 at the moment where I'm at, and it's like this 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:24.440 guy calls me up. He's a friend of mine. He says, hey, 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:27.720 you got a warm coat. I said no, because you know, 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:31.040 I'm sorry. I'm just like Zelensky, but not by choice. 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:35.760 But he said, you got a warm coat, and I'm like, no, 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:36.720 I don't have a warm coat. 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:38.240 And he said I got one for you. And I 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:40.480 feel kind of like, oh, you know, I'll gee, that's 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:41.200 nice of you. 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:43.320 I said, is it going to fit me? 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:46.640 You're six feet three inches tall and he said, no problem, 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:49.280 it's gonna fit you because you gave it to me 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:51.640 during the Woolsey fire and. 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:52.600 Now I'm giving it back. 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:59.280 Wow, skate, you cheapskate, mother hugger, you know. 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:01.760 Paying it forward. 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:06.080 Indeed, look, yeah, you know, And there's something there's something 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:08.080 else here I don't want to leave on the table. 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:11.880 You said to Joe Rogan that the timing of the 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:15.720 Passion sequel the resurrection of the Christ twenty years later 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:19.880 is perfect. Why why do you think it's perfect now? 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:22.280 Mil Well? 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:25.800 I think you know, the cares and the weeds and 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:28.640 the flower you know, they've all grown up around us 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:32.040 in the last twenty years to a degree where I 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:36.000 think society is kind of devolving somehow, and I think 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:40.280 we need a reminder of, you know, the most basic 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:44.320 things and the things that forms our civilization, you know, 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:48.440 and I think, you know, as we watch it, kind 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:53.080 of you know, the civilization being threatened by the various 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:58.160 earmarks that you know are precursors of the loss of 0:15:58.160 --> 0:15:59.120 any civilization. 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:05.320 So I believe it's it's not in my timing. I thought, Man, 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:08.000 it's too late. It's like twenty years. I mean, wow, 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:10.000 Jim's got wrinkles. What am I going to do? 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:10.480 You know? 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:15.360 And in a long time CG I thank goodness. 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:17.240 Yeah, you can do something, you know, put a little 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:21.520 vasseline on the lens, say Jim, turn around. He actually 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:25.880 actually I got to say, twenty years is not dent 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:29.400 Jim looks great still, so it's it's fantastic. I don't 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:34.880 look so good, but Jim does. But so I thought 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:37.920 it was like twenty twenty years maybe a bit a 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:42.320 bit too late, But I think now it's perfect because. 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:45.320 And you know, and I've. 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:49.280 Had all these things taken and it sort of frees 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:52.600 me up to to not worry about that stuff and 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:54.080 just move ahead and. 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:56.360 Do what I'm being called to do. 0:16:56.400 --> 0:17:00.320 And I'm being called to do it. Wow, it's I 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.040 don't even know why it's the right time, but I 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:04.399 think you know it is. 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:07.919 No, it certainly feels to feel that. Yeah, it's been 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:08.680 a long time coming. 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:10.679 I know you've been toying with it and fighting with 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:13.760 it and wrestling with it for all of these twenty years. 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:16.760 Oh yeah, no, no, no, it's a it's a big subject 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:24.800 and very complex and it's taken all those years to 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:29.520 contemplate it, think about it, and distill it with the 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:37.040 help of two writers. And so it's it's it's a puzzle, 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:39.800 but I think I found a way in. 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:42.760 Yeah, what are you hearing from your neighbors, mel going 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:45.159 back to this tragedy. You all find yourselves in the 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:47.400 midst of do they want to move on? Do they 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:49.640 want to stay and rebuild the community in Malibu? 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:50.840 What are they? What are you hearing? 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:53.840 Well, a lot of people's spirits are broken, you know, 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:56.440 because it's you know, it happened, and then it happened again, 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:58.200 and then you realize that. 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:04.800 You know, you're elected leaders are not really I. 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:05.760 Don't you know, you. 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:08.480 Don't trust them, and isn't going to happen again, And 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:09.720 a lot of people just want to move on. 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:12.800 I mean people were already moving out of the state 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:15.880 in droves droves. 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:18.800 They go to Texas, they go to Idaho, they go 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:24.560 to South Carolina and all these different places to get 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:29.480 away from a political and a social climate developing here 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:32.520 that they did not dig and they wanted to go 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:35.919 someplace where they felt like free Americans, you know. So 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:39.800 I think they were already leaving in droves, and I 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:41.879 think this is just going to people are just going to. 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:43.800 Say, it's too hard. It's the too hard. 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:46.680 Basket we were hanging on, but you know, we got 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:47.800 to go find something else. 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:50.720 It's a lot of these middle class families, they haven't 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:51.360 got the. 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:52.440 Resources to rebuild. 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:56.200 And they I mean the insurance company, you know, they 0:18:56.240 --> 0:19:00.000 all canceled their whole things beforehand, and it's just terrible. 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:03.600 You know, they send drones around. Oh you haven't got 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:05.160 a railing on your Oh you haven't got a screen 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:07.720 on your window? You got Oh sorry, we're canceling your insurance. 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:07.879 You know. 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:11.120 It's that kind of It's this crazy thing that's going on. 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:18.560 And then to have you know, no resources to fight 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:20.280 this disaster. 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:21.240 That goes on. 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:25.000 I mean, the thing that struck me mal Unlike Katrino, 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:27.480 which was a one and done, it was over in 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:31.320 twenty four hours, this thing has gone on and on, 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:34.720 and even with the national attention, they don't seem to 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:37.600 have marshaled the resources or the will or or the 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:40.119 organization to at least stop. 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:42.439 These fires and protect they're citizens. 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:47.120 That's what I Chemical spills in Ohio, look at that stuff, Yeah, 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:50.000 what did they do? Look at all these storms over 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:52.320 on the East coast now, I mean, really, you know, 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:56.960 it's just neglect, you know. And and then of course 0:19:56.960 --> 0:20:00.040 we're giving all our money to other other people, and 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:03.480 you know, and neglecting our own, you know, and giving 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:06.840 it to giving it to people come you know, illegals 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:09.000 coming across the border and putting them up in hotels 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:12.440 and giving them phones and spending billions. 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:16.880 You know, it's a lack of focus on the citizenry 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:20.840 and the things that matter and the lasting infrastructure, which 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:23.320 I certainly see in New Orleans and other places I travel. 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:24.160 It's just crumbling. 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:27.080 Look, there are thousands of people now in North Carolina, 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:31.120 in Florida, now in LA trying to recover from disasters 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:36.000 and find home again. What has this experience taught you 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:37.680 and what would you offer them? 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:41.320 Well, I think you've got to be. 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:46.480 One has to depend on one's self and one's neighbors, 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:52.679 and one's family and one's friends and your community in 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:57.040 order to and to band together and to make your 0:20:57.119 --> 0:21:03.360 voices heard. Because it's clear and all over the country 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:06.560 that are elected officials, I don't think they give it, 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:11.119 damn because they're not really doing much. So it's up 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:15.080 to us, I think so. And it's and and you know, 0:21:15.160 --> 0:21:19.560 put your faith in God and and kind of move forward, 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:23.280 I think, and and and and that's that's hard to 0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:25.639 do when your ass is on fire. 0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:30.040 Yeah yeah, And you and the neighborhood around. 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:32.720 The neighbors, I mean, the people I've seen I may God, Oh, 0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:35.840 you know, woman down the road she had. You know, 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:39.760