1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to you stuff you should know from house Stuff 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:13,120 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 3 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: Joshua Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and Jerry's over there. 4 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:26,319 Speaker 1: I'm speaking in a monotone kind of Hey, dude, Hey, 5 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: how's it going. It's going well. I'm not motionsick, so 6 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: things are fine. Do you get motion sick sometimes? I mean, 7 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: if the conditions are right. I was really surprised to 8 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: find that not everybody gets motion sick. What are your conditions? Um, 9 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: poor ventilation and like lots of movement, um, backseat of 10 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: a car. Okay, uh, but anytime I read in a car, 11 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: even like glancing at my phone on a map. Really, 12 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: if I have to read anything, it gets me very quick. 13 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,839 Speaker 1: So I've just learned that, like, I can't do it. Yeah, 14 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 1: I cannot do it. So I don't I get it 15 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: a little bit too. I used to get it more, 16 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: I think when I was younger. Supposedly it's normal. Supposedly 17 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: it is. But I remember a very specific story that 18 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: my brother still laughs at. And by the way, boy, 19 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: I'm glad I said that I owe my brother, my 20 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: big brother, a big apology because I saw him over 21 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: the weekend and he said, oh, by the way, I 22 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: was just done an old episode and he said, you've 23 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: never been a groom's a best man. I was the 24 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: best man at my brother's wedding. Man. I felt like 25 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: a jerk, man, Scott, I'm sorry, I know. And what 26 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: happened was when I said I hadn't, I just like 27 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: quickly scanned through my friends that have gotten married, and 28 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: I didn't think about my brother and I was his 29 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: best man. A jerk. Well, it's it's rectified now. Well 30 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: I told him. I was like, you're gonna get a 31 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: public apology. So there it is. That's pretty public. Yeah, 32 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: it gets. You could have also started a scores based 33 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: website if you wanted, but it's really easy that. Um So, anyway, 34 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: this is old story. When we went to Disney, uh geez, 35 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: which is the one where Body Wars is at. You 36 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: should have asked Holly from stuff you missed in history, 37 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: she would know if she probably senses that someone's talking 38 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: about Disney right now. Body Wars either was or still is. 39 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's still there. One of those 40 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: rides that you sit in a you know, it's one 41 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: of those first sort of virtual things where they show 42 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: you a movie and then they moved the car, like 43 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: The Amazing Voyage or something, wasn't it. Yeah, you went 44 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 1: inside a human body and we're traveling around. I want 45 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: to say disney World, but I can't remember. Um so 46 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: I went in that, And I mean, wait, I'm getting 47 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: you grew up in Atlanta. I'm guessing you went to 48 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: disney World. Well, it definitely was at Disneyland, but I 49 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: don't know if he was Epcot, Universal Studio Guys, or 50 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: Disney World. It was in Orlando. So from what I 51 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: under stand, we have a buddy who works for Disney 52 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: and he set me straight on this before, and I 53 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: think I've got it. So disney World is all of those. 54 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: The Magic Kingdom is what you're specifying. So disney World 55 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: includes Epcott and Universal Studios. If I'm not mistaken, I 56 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: really hope I'm not missing. The Magic Kingdom is specifically 57 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: with the Castle. Right. If I did get that wrong, Brandon, 58 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: I apologize. It's one with the castle. All the weird 59 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: adults that think their children like, uh so, body wars. Anyway, 60 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: you're traveling through the body, and I remember at one 61 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: point I was like, man, it's getting hot in here, 62 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: and Scott's like, this is great. I was like, I'm 63 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: not feeling so good man. It's like, do they have 64 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: the heat going. It's like, what are you talking about? 65 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: It feels great? And I got I didn't vomit, but 66 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: I got really sick and made it through the ride 67 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,119 Speaker 1: and left. And he still teases me to this day. 68 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: He was like, it was temperature air controlled, and you 69 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: thought it was like ninety degrees and they were like 70 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: pumping in heat. It's funny, like it got to you 71 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: like that, like your own body cold sweats the who while, yeah, 72 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: that's bad, but generally you you actually did puke, No, no, no, 73 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: I did not, you didn't. But generally I don't like 74 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: it takes a certain thing, like a really hardcore roller 75 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: coaster going in fast, fast circles, but I don't get 76 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: sick complaints or the one cruise I went on, it 77 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: didn't get sick. Yeah, you know, I've gotten. I've gotten 78 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: sick before, like on vacation. But and I'm planes, it's 79 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: usually fairly fleeting. It's when I introduced reading that it's 80 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: like you're in big trouble for a long time. You 81 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: can read on a plane though I can't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 82 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: now I think about it's reading in a car. I 83 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: just gotta stay away from that. But usually it does 84 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: come about with like poor ventilation that kind of thing, 85 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: um yeah, which is another trigger, it's a big one, 86 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: or like a rough odor or something like that. I'm 87 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: sure all those things don't help. The thing is for 88 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: for as much as like we kind of commonly understand 89 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: and motion sickness, science really doesn't have a full explanation 90 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: for it. I'm picturing little Josh because riding backwards is 91 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: bad and like a rumble seat in a station wagon, 92 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: in a in a super u brat with like your 93 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: dad has like salami socks on or something that stink 94 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: what like the windows are rolled up. I don't know, 95 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: it just anything. It's something gross salamie socks, like socks 96 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: made of salami, Like, wouldn't that smelled gross? He's wearing 97 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: the skin of another person. Well, now I was thinking 98 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: smelled like old salami, but made of salamis even better, right. 99 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: I think I'm just picturing you back there, like reading 100 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: your Mad magazine feeling bad. Yeah, yeah, no, I do 101 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: remember being a kid and figuring out I can't read 102 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: in cars. There was a period where I could, which 103 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: is kind of surprising because when you're younger, you're more 104 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: susceptible to motion sickness. But I could read in the 105 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: car while I was younger, and then probably around the 106 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 1: time of puberty, I was like, I can't do this anymore. 107 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: You went opposite weird. Yeah, well maybe you developed your hips, right, 108 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: because that's a tease. We'll just leave that out there, 109 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: all right. So people supposedly are susceptible to motion sickness. Uh, 110 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: and it can happen on planes, it can happen. It's weird. 111 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: This one University of Maryland side I went to said, uh, 112 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: the following are the most common risk factors riding in 113 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 1: a car, boat, airplane, or space shuttle. Really, yeah, nerds, 114 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: Just like they didn't even put the amusement park ride. 115 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: They just went straight to space shuttle. You know, one 116 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: that I hadn't seen before. But apparently as the thing is, 117 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: I'm looking through a microscope, Yeah I hadn't. That makes 118 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: a little bit of sense though, Yeah, because the slide 119 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: can move in. Your eyes are seeing movement, but you're 120 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 1: not moving, and yeah, I'll get to you. Uh. Like 121 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: another nerdy motion sickness space shuttles and microscope. Uh So, 122 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: like you said, age between two and twelve, you're more 123 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: likely uh, and then you're also more likely to grow 124 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: out of it after puberty. And one of the reasons 125 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 1: that women are more motion sickness than men or get 126 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: motion sickness more than men is because one of the 127 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: theories is that after puberty they developed more in the hips. 128 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: Men develop more in the chest, and I guess that 129 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: makes a difference. They didn't really explain why they did that. Well, 130 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: it all has to do with sway theory, which Will's right, 131 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: sway theory. Yeah, but it is true that, like, women 132 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: are more susceptible just on average, to motion sickness than 133 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: men are. Yeah, studies apparently also Asian women, well Asian 134 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: period because Pinn State did a study and they put 135 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: people in situations that make emotion sick or not. Did 136 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: you look into those Oh is it like a tilted world, dude? 137 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: Like if you went in for just a clinical study, 138 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: like I'm gonna make some scratch or maybe they'll give 139 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: me a cool drug or something, and it turns out 140 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: to be a motion sickness study, you should leave. No, 141 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: I totally was. So there's this thing called a um 142 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: opt to kinetic drum, I believe is what it's called. 143 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: Oh I did see that. Yeah, I have to connectic. 144 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: It's it's like um a drum, like a big drum 145 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: that you sit inside of, and it's got a vertical 146 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: black and white painted stretched and it spins around you 147 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: and the motion, the movement is really emphasized and like 148 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: it's designed to make anybody motion sick and that's how 149 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: they induce motion sickness. And I saw another one UM 150 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: where they use a chair that just kind of moves 151 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: you around, whether you like it or not, and it 152 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: induces motion sickness. Like, what a terrible thing to have 153 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: happened to you. Man. There was a ride at six 154 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 1: Flags over Georgia growing up that they got rid of 155 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: because someone got hurt, supposedly where it's this barrel that 156 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: you all get in. You stand it, it's like kind 157 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: of below ground. You stand against the wall. Love those 158 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: and it's spins so fast. Then they dropped the floor 159 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: beneath you and then some trifical force holds you against 160 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: the wall. It's like the spin cycle in the washing machine. 161 00:08:58,520 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: You mean, I were just talking about that. The other 162 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: thing was awful. That was my favorite of all time. Really, 163 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: I just thought it was so cool. Well, the old 164 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: story was that someone's leg got trapped when the floor 165 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 1: came back up. But I remember here now that I 166 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: look back, because I'm sure that was an old live stale. 167 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: Although I was on Snoops the other day and I 168 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 1: was reading an early article and they were talking about, um, 169 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: you know, the urban legend about some girl who got 170 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: scalped because her hair got caught in an amusement park 171 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: ride or something. It actually happened, really, Yeah, the girl's 172 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: ponytail got caught in there. It just got pulled right 173 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: off of her head. I know, but it actually did happen. 174 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: So it's possible someone's leg got got sucked into the 175 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: tiltal world. Well, but then what happens is it happened 176 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: at every amusement park, right, It happened to my cousin's friend, right, Alright. 177 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: So the Penn State study, uh, they put people in 178 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: these torture machines, and interestingly, they did confirm eight of 179 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: Asian people got sick when it was less than fifty 180 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: percent for Caucasian and non Caucasian, which is really it's 181 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: very crazy. Um, but it kind of underscores a growing 182 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: awareness among motion sickness researchers a K that the evil 183 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: ones um that genetics play a big role in susceptibility 184 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: to motion sickness. Well, yeah, because there were another couple 185 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: of findings that lend to that. UM. Twins. They study 186 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: two hundred sets of identical twins, and one percent of 187 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: the identical twins were both affected. Um. Yeah, and some 188 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: of that, you know, they can't prove that it's genetics 189 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: because it also could be the uh just where they 190 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: were raised and how were they were raised. What's it 191 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 1: called uh nurture environment environment environmental um. And if parents 192 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: are both susceptible to motion sickness, they found that their 193 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: children are five times more likely. So it's sort of 194 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 1: points to genetics. But then other things point away from genetics, 195 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: like why why would you know two people in the 196 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: same family in the same conditions not get sick? Or 197 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: why did why why did two people period not get 198 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: sick under the same conditions. Yeah, Like, I guess what 199 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: I'm saying, salami socks smell same backwards facing seat. Yeah, 200 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: I guess what I'm saying is they haven't figured it out, No, 201 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: they haven't. But if we do figure out that it's genetic, 202 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: thanks to the magic of the Crisper Casts nine gene 203 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: editing process to be able to knock that right out 204 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: for you, what else is pregnant? Yeah, pregnant women are 205 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: more susceptible to it. Um, women who are menstruating, I 206 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: think also are, and people who get migraines are more susceptible. 207 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: And then people who sleep poorly are more susceptible to 208 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: um uh. Motion sickness. Yeah, it says if you're prone 209 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: to nausea or vomiting, but I don't know if that's like, 210 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 1: that's sort of a chicken or the egg thing. Well, 211 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna get into again. We said science as to 212 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: understand exactly what's going on here. But there's some good theories. 213 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about them right after, so chuck, Yeah, 214 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 1: let's talk about some theories for motion sickness because it's 215 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: kind of two Yeah. I saw I think it was 216 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: this Atlantic article you sent. It's not so much um, 217 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: it's not so much science. It's a debate over you know, 218 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: the likelier explanation, but they actually kind of fit together. 219 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: I think so, but if you ask the people, apparently 220 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: the author in the Atlantic, Uh, it's called the Mysterious 221 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,719 Speaker 1: Science Emotion Sickness. He's sort of pokes fun a little bit. 222 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: He's like, to me, they sound sort of the same. 223 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: But don't tell that to those people who believe one 224 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: or the other, because they're like, no, they're nothing like 225 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: each other. She Julie beck I was that, who wasn't nice? Job, 226 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: Julie good article. Um, pat on the back for you, 227 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: cold star. So, uh, here's the first one is and 228 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: this one. They both make a lot of sense to me. Um. Basically, 229 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: there's a dissonance between the parts of your body that 230 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 1: sense motion. Right, that's the easiest way to say it. 231 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: It's called the sensory conflict theory. To get dryballs. Yeah, 232 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: that it senses motion. It's it's weird if you think 233 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: about your eyes doing that, but that's one of the 234 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: roles that they play in motion. You also have the 235 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: vestibular system, which is centered around your inner ear, and 236 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: that definitely senses motion, movement, acceleration, gravity. Uh. And then 237 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: you have all the sensors, the sensors and like your 238 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: muscles and joints and stuff, right, Yeah, I didn't really 239 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: think about that is being one, but for sure, like 240 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: your body actually feels it. Yeah, well, think about it, 241 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: like if you if you feel yourself kind of moving backward, 242 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: you're definitely sensing it through your inner ear, but you 243 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: can also feel it in your feet as well, and 244 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: they're sending a a bulletin to your brain saying, lean forward, dummy, 245 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: you're gonna fall back. What's your problem? Friend? So, this 246 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: dissonance occurs when basically, like let's say you're sitting in 247 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: a movie theater like an IMAX and it's a scene 248 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: where you're you're flying with Superman or something like. You're 249 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: seeing this with your eyeballs like a first person perspective 250 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: shot of flight, but you're sitting in your seat, so 251 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: your eyes are saying you're flying and your butts going 252 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: you're sitting here and your brains like a witch. Yeah, 253 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: pretty much witchcraft. Uh. So it creates this, This creates 254 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: motion sickness. That's when the uh, nausea might kick in, dizziness, uh, 255 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: those cold sweats, salivation. I like how the the author 256 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: of the house Stuff Works article pointed out she specifically 257 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: mentioned Avatar. Yeah, who is the dude? Um? The the 258 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: guy who was like the friend on the Flight of 259 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: the Concords Mary. No, the other dude, the guy who 260 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: worked in the pond. Yeah, yeah, oh man, what is 261 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: his name? It's not Range Parker, Arrange Parker, Yes, it was. 262 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: I always want to call him Boslerman. I know it's 263 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: definitely not the same dude Parker. You mean. I went 264 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: to go see him. He did some stand up, right, 265 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: and he was talking about Avatar, and he said, when 266 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: it first came up, people like, oh, Avatar, have you 267 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: seen Avatar? Yea great And then like everything you heard 268 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: was have you seen Avatar? You gotta see Avatar, you said, 269 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: like after a couple of weeks, you'd just be walking 270 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: down the sidewalk and people would pull up alongside you 271 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: in your car and roll down the window and go Avatar. 272 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: And this is I think a great example of that. Well, 273 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: it's interesting. I posted an article on Facebook not too 274 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: long ago on the Stuff you Should Know page about 275 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: this person wrote an article about Avatar and the argument 276 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: was that it for such a huge movie, it had 277 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: like zero cultural impact, Like it was big at the time, 278 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: but does anyone care now, Like it's not like the 279 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: Star Wars World or Star Treker, all these things, and 280 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: I totally agreed. I saw Avatar once and I was like, 281 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: I'm done with it. Typical James Cameron schlock. I've seen 282 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: it zero times. No, that sucks, But dude, there are 283 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: Avatar people though, that piled on and we're like, what's 284 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: god no idea what he's talking about? It's totally relevant. Oh, 285 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: I'm sure they're gonna be all over Facebook page after 286 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: this episode comes out. Hey, Chuck forever. Now, I like 287 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: some of James Cameron stuff, but if he wrote the script, 288 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: then it's I'm not gonna like it. No, I know 289 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: what you mean. I think he's a hack writer. Yeah. 290 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: Did I just say that two hundreds of thousands of people? Yeah, 291 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: And I'm sure James Cameron cares what you think. He's 292 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: at the bottom of the Marianna Trench right now. He's not. 293 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: He's picking out my future burial site. So um, Chuck, 294 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: we're talking about the century conflict theory, right, that's one 295 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 1: big explanation, and it definitely kind of makes sense. Right. 296 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: Your your brain just basically gets overloaded and it's like, oh, 297 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: I need to sit down. I've got the vapors, right, 298 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: I'm doing a lot of bad impressions in this episode 299 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: was supposed to be uh, somebody fainting in the late 300 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: nineteenth century. Oh, no, it's great. So it was your 301 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: arch Parker fop. That's what it was. It was a 302 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: fop the dandy popping. There's another competing idea, and that is, UM, 303 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: we kind of talked about. UM. It's called sway theory. Yeah. 304 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: And there's a dude, h Thomas uh staff or staff Regin. 305 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: I'm going with the gin s University of University of Minnesota, 306 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: Professor of Kinesiology and listen to this. He's the director 307 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: of it Affordance Perception Action Laboratory NERD. He gets motion 308 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: sickness looking through microscope. UM. So he proposes the sway 309 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: theory UM, which basically has nothing to do with the 310 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 1: vestibular system. He said. He says that I don't I 311 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 1: don't necessarily agree with that, but okay, I agree that 312 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 1: he thinks that. No, I know that he thinks that 313 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: I don't agree with that his take on that. Agree. 314 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: I think it's still tied together. But his theory is 315 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: and this first part isn't theory. It's true is that 316 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: everyone sways like unless you're one of those uh people 317 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: that stand like motionless in the middle of New Orleans 318 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: for money. M hmm, yeah, silver or something like that. Yeah, 319 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: they're good, they're good at it. But if you're just 320 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: a regular dope like you and I, when we stand there, 321 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: we're gonna be moving in a little bit. Yeah, you 322 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: mean swaying a little bit. It's weird, like if you 323 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 1: stop and like really pay attention to it. Yeah, you 324 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 1: you notice it, but you'll never notice it unless you 325 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: are focused on that. Yeah, you're always moving a little bit. Yeah, swaying. 326 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: If you're standing up, you're swaying for the most part. Yes. 327 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: And the point he makes is if everyone truly relaxed 328 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: every muscle in their body, they'd fall over. Right. So 329 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 1: the whole point, the whole thing is swaying is it's 330 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: the byproduct of us standing upright, which is not something 331 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: we've been doing for all of the time we've been 332 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: on earth, because we evolved from things that walked on 333 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: four legs. Standing up is kind of new. Well, sure, 334 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: and babies don't stand up, they have to, yeah, exactly. 335 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: So um Stoffordgin's whole idea is that motion sickness comes 336 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 1: about when you have um when you're exposed to movement 337 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: that contradicts the natural um swaying that you've learned to 338 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: do to stand upright right, and it undermines it, and 339 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: your brain goes Which makes sense in a way because 340 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: let's say you're on a boat and the boat's tilting 341 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: to the left, and so what you're feet do, or 342 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: you know, they account for that, and maybe you lean 343 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 1: in on the inside of your foot and your toes 344 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 1: flex so because you want to make yourself more upright again. 345 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: And then the boat turns again in a direction you're 346 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: not expecting. You're correcting for that first move, the second 347 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: move happens, and your body doesn't know what to do. 348 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: So here's the thing. The the sensory conflict one makes 349 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: a little more sense to me than this one, because 350 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: that sounds to me like if that if that were 351 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 1: the case, if that's what's going on, and it clearly is. 352 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: Like when it's when you get your sea legs or 353 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: whatever um you you you were moving along, you're trying 354 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: to stay standing under these weird conditions, why would that 355 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: translate into something like dizziness or nausea or vomiting or 356 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: cold sweats that doesn't make sense to me. Sensory conflict 357 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: I can see translating into it. But even beyond that, 358 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:55,880 Speaker 1: a lot of people are like, no, that doesn't Still, 359 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense why you would vomit. And this 360 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: one guy named um Michael Easman seven came up with 361 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: a pretty awesome explanation for why we should get nauseated 362 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: when we get motion sick right. Well, yeah, should we 363 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: take a break and talk about that? Oh all right, 364 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 1: Josh Michael Treatman seven in the journal Science. What did 365 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: he say? Oh? He said that we get nauseated from 366 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: motion sickness because over there are some toxins out there 367 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 1: that can mess with our vestibular system. Right, yes, So 368 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: the body is tricked into thinking that it's possibly been 369 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: exposed to some sort of toxin because the vestibular vestibular 370 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: system is out of whack from motion sickness, So it 371 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: gets nauseated and ultimately might vomit as a reflex to 372 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: get rid of whatever toxin it thinks has been ingested. 373 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: It's basically a case of mistaken identity. I think it 374 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: explained it perfectly. It makes sense to me. I could 375 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: see a little bit. I think what Um what staff 376 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: Regin is saying is that you're you're used to regaining 377 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 1: your balance. You spend your entire life learning this system, 378 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: and that if it's thrown off, what he doesn't do 379 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: is connect it. I believe, I believe you're right. He 380 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: doesn't connect it in the end to like something that 381 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: happens in your brain, right, the the why the physiological 382 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: reaction agreed. Yeah, but he does have some pretty good 383 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: evidence backing his idea of sway theory up though. Um, 384 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: so again, women are more susceptible to um to motion 385 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: sickness than men. Right, Yes, that's what they say. Well, 386 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: he says, ah, Well, Sway theory explains that um, kids 387 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: are equally susceptible to both genders are equally susceptible to 388 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: motion sickness before puberty. Then after puberty, the bodies change 389 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: and where um, women and men hold most of their 390 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: weight is different. Right, Women hold it mostly around their hips. 391 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 1: Men hold it more around their chest, and that means 392 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 1: that the center of gravity is different, which means the 393 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: amount that we sway is different. Right yeah, I think Uh? 394 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: Who does he say sways? Women's way farther but slower, 395 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 1: but slower Men's sway faster but within a tighter area. 396 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: And and these are micro sways. Yeah, I mean I 397 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: think that like most people move no more than like 398 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: an inch to any given side. And even then you're 399 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: like Barney on the Simpsons when he walked out for 400 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: that like bachelor um auction. Uh. Then there's also landsickness, 401 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: which is interesting. Yeah. I didn't look too much into it, 402 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: but I have heard of it, which is basically the 403 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: concept that if you're a sailor, then you've gotten or 404 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 1: you know, just somebody who's been on boats enough. You 405 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,959 Speaker 1: don't have to be a professional. Um, you get your 406 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: sea legs so well that you get landsickness. Yeah. When 407 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: you get back, Yeah, and you're on solid ground, you're like, 408 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: I don't know what to do, right because your your 409 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: brain so used to things moving that it perceives that 410 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: it's moving even though it's not. You want to say 411 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 1: the French name for it, mild barkmant let me look, 412 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: I wasn't even looking. That was you forgot the middle part. 413 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: There's a qui in the middle, so maybe mal de 414 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 1: bark uman, I said, Mel debarkmon Mel debarkmall barkman barbecue 415 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: mal I love that when we do this stuff, there's 416 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 1: it's probably literally fi people laughing and people want to 417 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: kill us. Yeah, you know, yeah, a lot of people 418 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: want to kill us. Can about as long as they 419 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: never do alright, So, um, should we go over some 420 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: some things that you can do? Because I mean that 421 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: that whole segment on what explains most of the sickness 422 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: kind of petered out. But that's the state of science 423 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, although they will say they have looked 424 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: at the twenty three in me um for the genetic 425 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: side and have found some support for both claims. I 426 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: think that they're together. Like I think, if yes, your 427 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 1: your swaying system is set up in a certain way, 428 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: and why can't that be a component that, along with 429 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: the vestibular system and your site and all that um 430 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,959 Speaker 1: is affected and creates motion sickness. I just don't understand 431 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 1: why it has to be one or the other. That's 432 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: the impression that I had he was trying to really 433 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: come get across, is that it's no, it's its own thing. 434 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: I think that's weird. So what do you what do 435 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: you go to if you get motion sick Well, they 436 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: say to keep your eyes on the horizon, whether you're 437 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: in a car or a boat or whatever, that that 438 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: will help cuts down on motion, right or the sensation 439 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: of motion. I'm not sure. I think so because think 440 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: about it. When you look at stuff that's close to 441 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: the car, it's blurring the horizon, sting. Yeah, constant look 442 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 1: at you. Um, keep your head still so you can 443 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: lay down if you're able to somewhere, um or at 444 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: least put your head back against the seat. Just sort 445 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: of keep it as still as possible. Don't smoke. Sure, 446 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 1: they say it's just good advice all around exactly. Um, 447 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: if you're gonna fly, they say to avoid big, greasy 448 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: meals and alcohol the night before and eat light meals 449 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 1: or snacks low in calories the day of. But yeah, 450 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 1: you do want to have something in your stomach, though, 451 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: because that's just gonna help empty stomach. No good turn 452 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: that air vent. Whether you're in your car or a 453 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: plane or a boat, you need want some fresh air 454 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: blowing on your face, ideally or at least cycled air 455 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: felt this bed sinstead. It need to brank hunt uh, 456 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 1: sit in the front of the airplane or over a wing. Supposedly, yeah, 457 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: the rear of the airplane. Oh man, you just get 458 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 1: whipped around back, and it's way worse if you get 459 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: motion sick You should never sit behind the the wings 460 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 1: of the airplane. See I love the last car of 461 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: a roller coaster though, Well, yeah, you're feeling it more, 462 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: you're enjoying it more. You don't get motion sick. Um 463 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 1: what else? Avoid salty foods before you travel. There's also 464 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: remedies too, right, So the jury is out on whether 465 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: ginger actually helps or not, or if it's just the 466 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:46,159 Speaker 1: placebo effect. Ginger, peppermint, and black horehound apparently are some 467 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:50,479 Speaker 1: of the herbs that may or may not work. Who knows. UM, 468 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: I can tell you firsthand, and I looked it up. 469 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 1: See bands actu pressure bracelets that go on your wrist 470 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: three fingers with down from the heel of your palm, 471 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: the pairicardium six so the acupuncture point. I saw research 472 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: that showed that UM, neither placebo nor acupressure bands had 473 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: any effect on motion sickness. I can tell you that 474 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 1: even if it is just placebo, they still work firsthand. 475 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: They work alright, even if it's placebo. I don't care. 476 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: That's fine as long as it keeps me from being motionsick. Yeah. Yeah, 477 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: it kept me and you me from being motion sick 478 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: on an entire cruise. But would you have been motion 479 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 1: sick without it? Yeah, because we had We didn't use 480 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: it for one day and we felt immediately. Yeah, Um, 481 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: I brought one on my only cruise that I went 482 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: to and uh, I don't think I work because I 483 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: didn't need to. We had like divots on our risk 484 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: because we just come on like the whole the time. Yeah, 485 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: you should bring it just in case. Yeah. Sure. We 486 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: also had scope al amin and we didn't even use 487 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: it because the c bands work so well. Drama meine, 488 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: is that the same thing or different? Scope ala mean? 489 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: Is that stuff that like eight um drug people with 490 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: and then uh, it's like remember in our truths Herem 491 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: episode we talked about scope limit. It's like a drug 492 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: in South America where they'll they'll dose you with it 493 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: and then you end up like just basically becoming zombified 494 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: and don't remember anything. It's the same stuff, but it 495 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: doles the messages from your inner ear to your brain, 496 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: so your sensation of motion is decreased. Homeopathy, there haven't 497 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: been a ton of studies about the effective effectiveness of 498 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: specific remedies. But they do say things like borax, coculus, petroleum, tabacum. Dude, 499 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: So we're gonna hear from so many people just for 500 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: having even uttered the word homeopathy. Does that I say 501 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: it homeopathy? No? It goes both ways. Um, yeah, I know. 502 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: I mean, nothing drives people more crazy than that. They're 503 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: gonna go desert mark my word because it's not you know, well, 504 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: well I said that that take it or leave it. Basically, 505 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: some people swear by it, yeah, and some people think 506 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: it's uh too. From what I have ever seen, it's 507 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: like the biggest flashpoint, uh like of anything, of anything 508 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: at Skeptics talk about nothing drives them crazier than than homeopathy. 509 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: Ye like makes them nuts. It's kind of funny to 510 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: watch it does, because then you people say you shouldn't 511 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: even say western versus Eastern medicine. You should say proven 512 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: science versus like witchcraft. Who did the people say that? 513 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: On Facebook? Yeah, they get really like, you shouldn't even 514 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: say I don't even see it. I said you can't 515 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: say it, don't even say it? Josh? Um what else? Yeah, 516 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: I'm making fun of you. Mind body medicine, biofeedback training 517 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: and relaxation. They did a study of fifty pilots UM 518 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: who had to stop flying due to motion sickness, which, 519 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: by the way, I didn't know that, Like that frightens 520 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: me just knowing that that a pilot can get most 521 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: but think about it. For the pilot, it's like career ending, 522 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: you know. Um, seventy of them got over their motion 523 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: sickness and we're able to return to work after biofeedback 524 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: training and relaxation programs. So basically they sit in that 525 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: tilt a whirl, bring it on, and then biofeedback instruments 526 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: record uh, temperature, muscle tension, and they use relaxation techniques 527 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: uh and mental imagery in the chair and over time, 528 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: it's sort of like cognitive behavioral therapy, which is another 529 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: thing that they use, which is like, you know, get 530 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: in the chair and do it until it doesn't affect you. 531 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: An exposure therapy, right yeah. Um. There's this guy named 532 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: Sam Puma who's a physician and aeronautics engineer. I think 533 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: maybe at the very least, he's worked in the aerospace 534 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: industry for a really long time, and he has come 535 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: up with some habituation exercises where basically you kind of 536 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: mildly expose your body to the kind of move mints 537 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: it's going to expect on like a space shuttle or 538 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: whatever ahead of your trip, and you can he says, 539 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: you can be prepared and not have any emotion sickness 540 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: and as little as a week. Yeah, and I guess 541 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: it checks out, Yeah, because it sounds like, you know, 542 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: come on, what's this guy selling me? Right? But then 543 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: the Atlantic author she said, you know, no, apparently it's 544 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: a real thing. Uh. And then another good tip that 545 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: I saw was, if you're in a car and you're 546 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: not driving, pretend like you're driving. You might feel silly, 547 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: but you know, pretend like you're driving. Maybe even do 548 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: your hands and anticipate the curbs and things. Maybe give 549 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: him a little horn, a little imaginary horn once an ord. Uh. Yeah. 550 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: The reason why the best seat in the car is 551 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: the drivers because you can anticipate the movements the car 552 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,479 Speaker 1: is gonna make, which supports sway theory if you think 553 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: about it, true because you can counteract it. Do you 554 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: ever have one of those passengers in your car that 555 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: hits the break because they're nervous. It's like, I just 556 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: an involuntary action. You seem stumped their foot on the floorboard. 557 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: It's pretty funny. I have one friend in particular that 558 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:14,239 Speaker 1: does that. Uh, let's see. I guess that's it, right. 559 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: I got nothing else. Um, if you want to learn 560 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: more about motion sickness, you can type those words in 561 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: the search part how stuff works dot com. And since 562 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: I said search bar, it's time for the listener mayo, 563 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this uh Bonsai to two. Hey, guys, 564 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: love the show. I'm a twotoo maker who new but 565 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: you know somebody makes them. Sure they don't just grow 566 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: on trees, not anymore. I'm a two two maker and 567 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: work alone in my studio a lot making two tooos 568 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: and you guys are my company and thank you for that. 569 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: Also have a Bachelor of Science and ornamental horticulture. So 570 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: listening to the bonsai episode reminded me of an experience 571 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: ad with a bonsai master in a class I had 572 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: in college. The professor covered the art of bonsai. Leading 573 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: up to this man's visit. He covered the art, particulous 574 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: decisions made in the shaping of the tree, et cetera. 575 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: The day came when the master was there to speak 576 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: with us. It came into class, and all of his 577 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: amazing work was displayed around the classroom. It was really beautiful. 578 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,280 Speaker 1: Everyone sort of spoke about it in touchstones, very reverent 579 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: to each other. Finally, the master, who was a rather 580 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: tiny Japanese man, was ready to demonstrate the technique for us. 581 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,479 Speaker 1: He unpotted the plant in front of him, spoke about 582 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: the shape and what he felt would be the best 583 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: way to train it. And after this, he pulled out 584 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: a club the size of a baseball bat and beat 585 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: the crap out of the root ball, explaining the need 586 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: to control the plant, and no one knew exactly how 587 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 1: to recapt I had not thought about that for a 588 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,760 Speaker 1: really long time, and I listened to the show chuckling 589 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: the whole time because of it. I thought you might 590 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 1: appreciate the story that is from Nancy Gallagher, the two 591 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: Tuo maker. Well thanks a lot, Nancy. Uh. Maybe he 592 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,439 Speaker 1: was just trying to get the dirt away from the roots, 593 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, or maybe it was bad Bonsai. Mr 594 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,240 Speaker 1: Miyagi would never do that. I worked with Pat Marita. 595 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: Did I mention that on the show? Was it? He 596 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: did a music video that I worked on, the Karate 597 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 1: Kid spoof? Oh oh, yeah, alien Ant Farm and I 598 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: worked with him. He's super nice and it was just 599 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: a couple of years. Whore he died. He's dead. Oh yeah, 600 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: that's the shame. Yeah, he liked the white wine. Oh yeah, 601 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: I think he told me the story for it. Sounds familiar. 602 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: I had to go fetch him some chardonay like noon. 603 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 1: I was like, you know what if that was Pat 604 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: Marina on the side of the music video, sure, I'd 605 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: be like, I'd have a p a fetch me some 606 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: chardonnay do. Yeah. Remember he played Al the replacement Al 607 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: l Happy case Arnold al was the name of the actor. Yeah, 608 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: right from California at Marita. What was that to do 609 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 1: with it? Nothing? Oh that was an additional fact. Yeah, 610 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: I just I mean some people might see the Karate 611 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: Kid and I only know that and and keys from Japan. 612 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: But he was putting on that accident. Oh yeah, yeah, 613 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: he's a California dude, totally. Yeah, like laid back kind 614 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,359 Speaker 1: of shardonay guy. If you want to know more about 615 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: Pat Morita or get in touch of this or whatever, 616 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: you can send off for more info to s Y 617 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: s K podcast on Twitter or on Instagram. You can 618 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: join us on Facebook dot com, slash stuff you Should Know. 619 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: You can send us an email to Stuff podcast at 620 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 1: how stuff Works dot com and has always joined us 621 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,800 Speaker 1: at our home on the web, Stuff you Should Know 622 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:36,760 Speaker 1: dot com For more on this and thousands of other topics. 623 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,399 Speaker 1: Is it how stuff Works dot com