1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of I Heart Radio. Hey 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Dutton, Yes, sir, you know what's ridiculous? Yes? What that? 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: Um t s Eliott the poet dusted his face with 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: green powder, like just true the day to day. I 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: don't understand you're saying like it was a makeup or 6 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,159 Speaker 1: more like Ben Franklin like to take air baths, Like 7 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: what do you mean makeup? So he left the house 8 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: this way. You want to know he did it. I'm 9 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: afraid to ask, but yes, he wanted to look interesting. 10 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: I don't ridiculous, it's definitely ridiculous. I delivered, you asked. 11 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: There's such a low bar for interesting that he declared, 12 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: like I put green stuff on my face. That's interesting. TS, 13 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: that's really interesting. Don't don't let anybody see that dog 14 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: crap over there. We don't want to see what he 15 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: does with that to get more interesting. It's about to 16 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: get really So there's something even I don't want to 17 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: compare them. Let's you say that's something that's also ridiculous. 18 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: You know what it is. I would love to know that. 19 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: Imagine a turkey, a wild turkey doing its best impression 20 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: of Godzilla in the middle of Oakland, California. That's ridiculous, right, 21 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 1: I promised ridiculous. This is Ridiculous Crime a podcast about 22 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: absurd and outrageous capers, heists and cons. It's always murder 23 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: free and ridiculous. Now, as I promised Elizabeth, we're gonna 24 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: be talking about a Godzilla style turkey. Now it didn't 25 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: grow huge, but it had normal size like legit, no 26 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: radio activity, did not come out of the sea. The 27 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: Godzilla part is its love of chaos and scaring people. 28 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: I'd like to see people flee from. Yeah, right, I 29 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: was shocked by this story because I'm not from here. 30 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: The turkeys I know of are actually more like, uh, 31 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: you know, like Davis, where I grew up. We have 32 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,239 Speaker 1: wild turkeys, but they're on the street. They wander around 33 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: their fun. Tourists look at them, people on bikes to 34 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: try to avoid them. They don't do Godzilla impressions. Now 35 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: you're Oakland turkeys, y'all got some different kind of turkeys 36 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: down here. Picture this Oakland, California. In the early days 37 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: of the pandemic. A monster emerges. He's a response to, 38 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: you know, human intervention in his home environment. Now his 39 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 1: campaign of terror is it's unrelated to the virus, has 40 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: nothing to do with COVID. This is not a COVID 41 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: monster per se, but COVID is why this beast turns aggressive. Now, 42 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: I don't know how Godzilla came about other than like 43 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: nuclear proliferation. There's no nuclear proliferation in this story. But 44 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: yet it's human intervention that makes this animal lose its 45 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: ever loving mind. So it seems that this monster feeds 46 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: not on like blood, but more so fear. It absolutely 47 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,119 Speaker 1: loves to terrorize the people of Oakland. Its favorite targets 48 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: were older women, small children, anything low to the ground, 49 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 1: slow moving. This is what he goes for now, right, coward, 50 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: Now a picture of the monster just desirous of people 51 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: running from his claws, terrified of its lacerating beak. It's 52 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: high kicks now, oh yeah, it's like, you know, like 53 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: a roquette, but with a murderous desire. Right now, this 54 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: monster is much like how you know, how humans would 55 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: flee from Godzilla. It seems to be what motivates this monster, 56 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: this desire to see humans flee and terror of it. 57 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: But this monster is far more domestic than Godzilla. Because 58 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: this monster, and his name is Gerald the Turkey Gerald 59 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: Jerry at the Turkey. Now do you remember when this 60 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: hit social media and Oakland? You now, okay, what do 61 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: you remember about Gerald the Turkey when he first started 62 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: popping off? It was a quintessential East Bay event, and 63 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: that you had different factions that immediately formed, and that 64 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: the epicenter of the discussion was next door app next 65 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: door Facebook for snitches, right. I, as you know, I'm 66 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: a big fan of next Door. I'm a next door lurker, 67 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: and I find it high entertainment. You know what about 68 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: the entertainment of like Oakland, Berkeley, next door really does 69 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: it for you? I think it's the fact that you're 70 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: someone will post something, whether innocuous or not, and you're 71 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: always about one or two replies away from a political fight. 72 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: And that pretty much all social media this time. I 73 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: don't do the whole facebooking thing, and so I imagine 74 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 1: it's akin to that. But um, everyone has the our 75 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: agenda and they inserted into whichever topic is presented. And 76 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: so it seems like right now the big topics of 77 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: the day are catalytic converter theft, which brings out Second 78 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: Amendment issues every time of people saying they just opened 79 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: fire on the you know, you just need a gun. 80 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: Let them know, because it's you know, it's property versus 81 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: a human life, which one wins. Well, property, God bless America. Um. 82 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: Then you also have bikes versus cars. So a lot 83 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: of complaints about bike lanes and lack thereof or too 84 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: many are there ever cars? Complaining about the cyclists. Yeah, yeah, 85 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: you got everybody. So it's both sides. Everybody's going at 86 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: each turn, both sides. Now, imagine that, but throw in 87 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,679 Speaker 1: a turkey, right exactly. Nobody knows what to do about 88 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: Gerald the turkey. So in the before times, right, Gerald 89 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: used to be this beloved figure, like he was like 90 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: a rose garden, like not a star, but people would 91 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: go there and anticipate seeing him. Or in the morning 92 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: he would wander out of the rose guard and stand 93 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: on the street with some of the commuters. There's like 94 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: all sorts of photos of him just standing there, sunning himself. 95 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: So he was originally a beloved figure of the garden. 96 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: Something changes. What changes, Well, it turns out it's human 97 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: beings sweet changed. So the locals they start noticing that 98 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: Gerald is no longer acting like himself. Something has changed 99 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: in the bird, right, and everybody's like, well, it started 100 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: with like he just didn't look right, and then you 101 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: start getting these tales of attacks. Right. Oakland Side is 102 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: a local blog that covers like, you know, East Bay politics, 103 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: he's based culture and so forth. They did a number 104 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: of stories about Gerald, and this comes from Oakland Side. 105 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: A local Alexis recounted to the news outlet that she 106 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: had to basically defend this older woman she saw in 107 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: the park quote until she was forced to climb a 108 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: tree to escape. Not Alexis Morgan, the old lady. Imagine exactly, 109 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 1: imagine old ladies sitting there like just clambering up a 110 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: trunk and crushing for her life, afraid of a wild turkey. 111 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: That's how scary Gerald the turkey is. Well, I mean, 112 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: I think part of the thing, wasn't it that the 113 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: Rose Garden was closed because of COVID, like all the 114 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: public areas. We'll get to that. Oh yeah, it's what 115 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: were these people doing up in there? That's the question. 116 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: So you see, as soon as pretty much the pandemic hit, 117 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: Oakland decides, you know, let's close public areas, public spaces, 118 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: as everybody did across the country, largely at least in 119 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: responsible States, and nobody was supposed to be in the 120 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: Rose Garden. Of course, nobody listening to the songs. So 121 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: people kept showing up, and strangely enough, this is what 122 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: sets Gerald off. It's like he becomes a super cop. 123 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: He's like, y'all ain't supposed to be here, and so 124 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: he's gonna scare everybody out. I don't know if that's 125 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: his bag, but it seems like, you know, something switches 126 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: right now, all of a sudden, he starts throwing out 127 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: kangaroo kicks. He's coming up with like his he has 128 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: a beak, right, he's a big Tommy's about like, you know, 129 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: three two and a half feet tall. So when he's 130 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: coming at people, he's coming up, you know, thigh high 131 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: and with a beak. So people are worried about like 132 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: phemeral arteries, and you know, there's concerns, is what I'm saying. Right. So, now, 133 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: when he went and attacked Alexis Morgan, who was defending 134 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: that old lady whose name we don't know, he left 135 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: on her all sorts of scratches and bruises on her 136 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: thighs right as good evidence. Now she's just one person here, 137 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to pull from a couple of social media 138 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: post Now, do you remember any of your favorite next 139 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: door posts about Gerald? Um? My favorite social media posts 140 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: about Gerald had to do with the debate over whether 141 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 1: he was entitled to attack people or not. That is 142 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: so Oakland and Berkeley. It's in his natural environment. He's 143 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: being a turkey. We are the interlopers, essentially, is the argument. Right. 144 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: But then if you go, wait, we're the animals too, 145 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: then how do you manage It's all of our territory? 146 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: All right? So keeping that in mind, I'm going to 147 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: read to you a couple of my favorite quotes from 148 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: next door and Facebook posts. You ready, Okay, So this 149 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: is from Gene and she starts her post out with 150 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: the great grabbing attention grabbing line, I was attacked by 151 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: a wild turkey exclamation point. Okay, here we go, Jean. Yesterday, 152 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: I was strolling in the more com Rose garden when 153 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: a turkey came very close to me. I just kept 154 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: walking when he suddenly attacked me with his feet and wings. 155 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: I was so shocked. I tried to get away from him, 156 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: but he followed and attacked me several more times. There 157 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: were a few other people around, but nobody seemed to 158 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: know what to do. A man near me was trying 159 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: to shoot it away with not much luck. Finally, a 160 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: man who works or volunteers there came over and scared 161 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: it away. He thinks that turkey is being protective of 162 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: his harem of four turkeys. He has attacked other people. 163 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: I assume she means the turkey and not the rosarian. Anyway, 164 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: moving on, I was badly shaken up. I had no 165 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: idea turkeys did that. I had a huge lump on 166 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 1: my hand, and when I got home, I noticed bruises 167 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 1: on my body. I like the wild turkeys living in 168 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: the rose garden. But from now on I will have 169 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: my cane with me and maybe an alarm siren as well. 170 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: Has anyone else had this experiences? A cane and an 171 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: alarm siren? Like? What you gonna do? Beat the hell 172 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: out of that turkey? Like, all right, I gonna teach 173 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: you some respect. Tom Tom is a name for a 174 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: male turkey. Gerald is his government Gerald Tom. Yeah. Now, 175 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: this is an exchange where people are giving each other 176 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: advice about what to do. Because, as Gene asked, what 177 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: should we do? Well? People being social media, they jumped 178 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: in with their offered help. Now we have. This is 179 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: from Anne Marie. She says, the male turkey is very aggressive. 180 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: Once he puffs out his tail, feathers run. My boyfriend 181 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: and I have escaped harm from this turkey only because 182 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: we are spry. I've seen others intentionally provoking this turkey. 183 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: It is not smart. Now, Carol comes in and response. 184 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: I tried to warn a mother standing near the tom 185 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: with her little girl. She said angrily, I'm a very 186 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: good mother. A few minutes later, her little girl was 187 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: weeping in fee year. The turkey had attacked. He is 188 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: indifferent to good mothers. Oh my god, that's my favorite one, right, 189 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: a turkey. He was indifferent to good mothers. I am 190 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 1: a very good mother, thank you. And Tom's don't care 191 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: about your mother. Meanwhile, the kid is just getting tuned 192 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: up by this turkey. Tears and feathers leading from the ear. 193 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: I'm a very good mother. She's gonna be telling the 194 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 1: doctor that at the e R I'm doing the best 195 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: I can. You're not. And then finally we have from 196 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: Rosalind another piece of advice about how to deal with 197 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: a gerald the turkey attack. I was in the rose 198 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: garden for a short time last night, and I saw 199 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: the same turkey chasing multiple women around near the flat entrance. 200 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: It really did seem like he was stalking particular people 201 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 1: and would only leave one alone once he set his 202 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 1: sights on another person. He routinely walked past me without 203 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: coming near. But perhaps he was scared or confused by 204 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: the bikes we had sitting next to us. Oh, Rosalind 205 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: the Turkey Whisperer sounds like Rosin's all upset. The turkey 206 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: didn't attack her. She she creates that attention like what 207 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: what what's wrong with my legs? Why aren't you come 208 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: over here and beak bashing me? Well, she has the 209 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: bikes on the ground near hers for quick getaway. Yeah, 210 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: of course that's I Like Rosalind the Turkey whisperer, everyone 211 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: else is getting attacked, but not me because he could 212 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: sense my energy. He sensed that the purity of my 213 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: animal spirit and I am aligned with his her turkey chakra. 214 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: She opened up her Turkey chakra. So basically the next 215 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: started Facebook go on like this. Four months. It's people 216 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: saying I was attacked. Another person comes in, well you 217 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: should get a stick. Other person goes, no, it's the 218 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: Turkey's place to live. Nobody should have a stick, and 219 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: it goes on like this. You saw it. Did you 220 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: think that any of it was surprising? No, not at all, because, 221 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: like I said, any kind of issue that gets put 222 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: forward there, it's it's tribal in terms of everyone's and 223 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: everyone had their interests in this as well. That you 224 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 1: had the COVID scolds who were like, you know what, 225 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: You're not supposed to be in there, so it's your fault. 226 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,319 Speaker 1: You wouldn't get attacked by a turkey if you were 227 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: following the rules and not in there. Other people are like, look, 228 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: I just need to get out in the sun, I 229 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: need to walk around. I'm going nuts here. I don't know. 230 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: It's a spot on. I think that's everybody had their 231 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 1: own agenda, and they all felt their own agendas were 232 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: righteous and correct. So you get this like expected Berkeley 233 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: non violence types men. You get like the people who 234 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: are like about individual rights, sort of like I have 235 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: the right to do this because I need sunlight. Right, 236 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: You're like, how are you going to argue they need sunlight? 237 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: So now if you think about it that way, obviously 238 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: the real problem is the human beings. It's not gerald 239 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: the turkey. But Gerald is our monster, and Gerald is 240 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: the one terrifying everybody. So the question is still what 241 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: to do with Gerald and not all of the human beings. Yeah, 242 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 1: let's talk about Gerald. Yes, So we'll get back to 243 00:13:52,760 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: Gerald in one sec after we take this short break. Okay, 244 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: So we have Gerald the turkey terrifying people in Oakland, 245 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: the people in Oakland terrifying each other on social media, 246 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: arguing about what to do about Gerald, And now the 247 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: question becomes who knows what to do? Who would you 248 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: suggest knows what to do in a situation with a 249 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: wild turkey terrifying you know, well meaning people. Oh wow, 250 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: I guess animal services. Would you call animal services or 251 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: something like that? That would be a good call. Eventually 252 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: we do get to animal services, but first we have 253 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: a local who has known Gerald for a long time 254 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: and he's basically trying to say what the problem is. 255 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: And so he is the rosarian of the garden. He 256 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: knows Gerald a long time. So basically we have a 257 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: spokesperson and for Gerald. Now, what do we think the 258 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: rosarian's gonna say? Which side is a rosarian going to take? 259 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: As he the side of Gerald the turkey leave him alone? 260 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: Is he the side. Everyone should be able to come 261 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: to the rose garden. We need to get Gerald to 262 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: come to heal. Where does he This is a long 263 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: time associate of Gerald's. I think he's it'll be interesting 264 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: because he's seen how Gerald was before he sees how 265 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: Gerald is at that time. I don't know that you know. 266 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: The rosarians, those who are really just into the cultivation 267 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: of roses, are complex and dynamic groups, very true and 268 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: hard to paint them with one brush. You really can't. 269 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: So the rosarian says, quote, I've noted next door post 270 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: stating quote and the only reason that Tom is attacking 271 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: is because he has provoked or quote because you tried 272 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: to take a selfie with him, or quote. A turkey 273 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: won't attack unless you were too close to his hands 274 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: and chicks. This may have some merit in some cases, 275 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: but I assure you that is not the case with 276 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: this Tom. To those who are posting this misinformation, it 277 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: might be wise to delete such posts. I fear such 278 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: posting might lull an innocent person to risk attack. To 279 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: delete the post, oh yeah, never post. In the San 280 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: Francisco Chronicle, there is the director of Oakland Animal Services 281 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: and done so, she comes in it basically tries to 282 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: calm the public because now we have the Rosarian not helping, 283 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: and we have somebody, some authority figure who's outside of 284 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: the park who's going to bring some peace to Oakland. 285 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: Now the Rosarian is saying that he sees that it's 286 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: he's being He says Gerald's being provoked. People are trying 287 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: to take selfies with him, which is just incredible and 288 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: so spot on, or that he was close to the 289 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: hen and chick someone else talked about a harem of 290 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: of turkeys. But he's saying it's not the case. Does 291 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: he want to share with us what the cases is 292 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: just or is he just saying, look, I'm Gerald's closest 293 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: confidante and it's none of your damn business why he's 294 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 1: doing what he's doing. I'll leave it this way. The 295 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 1: Rosarian will show back up in this story and just 296 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 1: a little bit with a very interesting wrinkle as to 297 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: the Gerald debate. Okay, but first we have an authority 298 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: figure who jumps in now that the Rosarian has basically said, 299 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: do you guys don't know what to do? Well, somebody 300 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: has to know what to do. So we have and done. 301 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: Director of Oakland Animal services, and she basically says, look, 302 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: I can't do anything. My hands are tied, y'all. That's 303 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: not gonna help man. But the reason is very simple. 304 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: The city of Oakland doesn't have jurisdiction over wild turkeys. 305 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: It just is not part of the city mandate. So 306 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: they have to turn to the state level of wildlife management. 307 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 1: So they go because California state law requires that humans 308 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: seek a way for citizens and animals to share the 309 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: municipality before resorting to quote removal or termination options. Just 310 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: get along. So basically they're saying, why can't we all 311 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: get along? It's the Rodney King rule, where work it out, 312 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: work it out, people come on so and done. Is like, 313 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: you know, basically hoping that nature will correct this problem. 314 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: It's gonna be like its own self balancing issue, of course, 315 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: and is wrong apparently and is not on social media. 316 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: So she basically cites that this is probably just a 317 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: temporary thing. It's a breeding issue. And then once we 318 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: get out of mating season, Tom's you know, his pheromones 319 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 1: and hormones will calm down and everything will go back 320 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: to the way it was. Mating season comes, mating season goes, 321 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: Tom keeps attacking, no hope, no change in Tom's behavior. 322 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: So what do we now do with the t saga 323 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: of Gerald the Turkey. It's becoming a bigger and bigger 324 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: story now. The newspaper at San Francisco Chronicles writing about it. 325 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: It's starting to become a national news stories. People have 326 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: been taking to Twitter and sharing people who are actually, 327 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: you know, in the park in the Rose Guarden getting attacked. 328 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: Those start to go viral. So Gerald is now becoming 329 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 1: something of a national sensation. So you can't just remove 330 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: or shoot him. So you have to come up with 331 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: a reasonable answer to this monster. And it's still northern California, 332 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: so that in mind. Now, well, Gerald is terrorizing the citizens. 333 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: This goes on for months and months and nobody knows 334 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 1: what to do, and people are now still desperate to 335 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: get to the Rose Garden. So they decide, you know what, 336 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: the California Department of Fishing and Wildlife say, we have 337 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: the authority to do one thing to protect this bird. 338 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: We can't necessarily decide to remove him. We can't necessarily 339 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: decide to terminate him, but we can close the park. 340 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: So they say temporary closure of the Rose Garden to 341 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:39,719 Speaker 1: everybody get out, yep pools closed. So I'll read you 342 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: a selection from the CDFW statement their quote update to 343 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: temporary closure of the More Calm Rose Garden. Now the 344 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: Oakland Department of Parks, Recreation and Youth Development, Department of 345 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 1: Public Works, and the Oakland Animal Services all ineffectual and 346 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 1: all unable to deal with this problem. Not in the 347 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: text have collaborated on the decision to temporary close the 348 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 1: More Calm Rose Garden. So basically they all put their 349 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: head together and say, we got one hell of a 350 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: rock pile. Let's just close this party, and apparently that 351 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: should work. Now do you think it did work? No, 352 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: because the thing was the wasn't the Rose Garden was 353 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: closed when we went into lockdown. They had a soft closure, 354 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: and then that they had a hard closure. So down 355 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: this is like, No, this is not City of Boucan 356 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: telling you you should stay out, please stay out. This 357 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: is the state saying you can't be here. Now. It's 358 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: not quite like they're going to give you a ticket 359 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: or have park rangers like you know, come out and 360 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: you know, put a boot on your car for being there. 361 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: It's not that bad, but it's still supposed to be 362 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: a little bit more severe. Do you think it works? No, 363 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: of course not so now to call them all this 364 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 1: growing fear and anxiety and ineffectuality. They're like, well, what 365 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 1: can we do? People start going, well, can't we move Gerald? 366 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: Like what if we re home Gerald? What if we 367 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: do the sensible reasonable thing and we take him and 368 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: put him back in nature? Like to look, really, do 369 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 1: that not send him to a quote unquote farm up state? No, 370 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: there is not the like, let's send him up to 371 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 1: the puppy mill or puppy farm up state. Right, So, 372 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: people are debating there's a change dot org petition there 373 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 1: is like you know which, By the way, I would 374 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: like to read you just one little clip from the 375 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: change dot org petition. Has the change dot org petition 376 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: ever done anything? Has it ever? Actually has change the 377 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: right People sign him and they're like, we've got, however, 378 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: many tens, hundreds of thousands of signatures, but it doesn't. 379 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,479 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah. It's kind of like eating your 380 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: dessert before eating your dinner. It makes you feel better 381 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: because you're like, oh, I did something I wanted. I 382 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: feel good. Strongly worded letter to the editor exactly. So 383 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: here we go from Molly Hi everyone. I've drafted copy 384 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: of a petition, which will I'll give to David after 385 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: I fact checked it. He offered to start a change 386 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 1: dot org website. If anyone can contribute other ideas for 387 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: how to get a circulating let's hear them. So you know, 388 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: it's a nice positive mood. Now let's see where that goes. Amy, 389 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: They are going to hurt the turkey. See my post above. Yours, 390 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 1: Fish and Wildlife are on this and working with animal 391 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 1: control to protect the turkey. What needs to happen is 392 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: we need to give the turkey it's space and not 393 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 1: go to the rose garden. Molly's like what and she 394 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: comes back. I hope that's true, Amy. I also heard 395 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: from Igrisill Urban Wildlife Rescue that while Oakland Animal Services 396 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: in DFW want to save him, but also that a 397 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: council member applied for a permit to have him euthanized, 398 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: so also relocating him seems to be illegal. The fact 399 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: that it was mentioned was alarming. Let's circulate the petition. 400 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: Hope that our peaceful natures resolve this and by all 401 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 1: means give the turkey some social distancing. Smile emoji. Now 402 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: Pamela comes in it's like Molly, that is completely untrue. 403 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: The council office has said or done no such thing, 404 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: nor does our office have any right to make those decisions. 405 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: We have asked the administration to find a solution that 406 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: protects everyone. Closing the park for now seems the best solution. 407 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: So one turkey, people can't get along, nobody gets a 408 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: rose garden rumor innuendo accusations. So the question then becomes, well, 409 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,959 Speaker 1: can see DFW remove the monster that's terrorizing Oakland so 410 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: people can get back to their rose garden at the 411 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: desperate times of the pandemic and finally get back into 412 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: some sunlight. What's your bet on how well that plays out? 413 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: I think I don't know. I think I think that 414 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: in the end things, you know, I can see everyone 415 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: has these good intentions, but as is and it's not 416 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: it's not just isolated to Oakland. But I think that 417 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: municipalities have some carry through follow through issues. So yeah, 418 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: as you know, having worked in local government, you know 419 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: that there are issues that are always going to complicate 420 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 1: things that are aren't so simple as we just need 421 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: to do the right thing. Yeah, but c df W, 422 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: California Department of Fish and wildlife. They try to do 423 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 1: the right thing, they go. All we have to do 424 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: is capture and re home Gerald the turkey. Simple job, 425 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: not a problem. Of course, it becomes a problem, but 426 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: this time is not because of people. It's because of Gerald. 427 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: So quote in July, CDFW staff made several attempts to 428 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: capture the turkey. We're lying primarily on trapping using food 429 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: attractive to turkeys. The park is full of accessible food, 430 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: including evidence of human feeding, so this effort has been ended. 431 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: CDFW has no authorized staff from Oakland Animal Services to 432 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: continue the effort, with a plan for CDFW to transport 433 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 1: the turkey to a local wild area that has minimal 434 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: human access and no access to hunters. This effort is 435 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: ongoing now. Translation, Look, we tried to catch your monster bird, 436 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 1: but we can't do it when there are people working 437 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: against us feeding them. So if you catch them, let 438 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: us know. Otherwise, good luck, y'all. C DFW out you 439 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 1: know that they're like some of those people who go 440 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: and feed feral cats. We're probably throwing out the cat foods, 441 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: yes exactly. You know Gerald and his harem of but 442 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 1: we have a colony of feral cats in Oakland. That 443 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: is I walk past all the time, and there are four, 444 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: four different people who go over and feed this colony 445 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: of cats. So just imagine when you have Gerald the turkey. 446 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: I'd be willing to bet you there was more than 447 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,959 Speaker 1: four people going over and trying to help him along 448 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: with his animal ways by giving him cat food or 449 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 1: whatever the heck they were giving him. Maybe they're giving 450 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: him bird seed, I don't know who knows. Popcorn. Yeah, 451 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 1: he's out there like Deli sandwiches. They're like, Gerald, what 452 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: do you want? I'm gonna go get case Adias. Which 453 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: one do you want? Jonathan Street Tacos? Gerald Botaco truck 454 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: pulls up. So now we have an effort to actually 455 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 1: do something about the problem. We're no longer arguing on 456 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: social media, we're no longer pointing fingers in bureaucratic manners. 457 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: Now somebody is doing something and it fails. So they're like, well, okay, 458 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: what are we gonna do. Well that's when old Royal Krieger, 459 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: a volunteer rosarian, he puts forth a theory that maybe 460 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:01,479 Speaker 1: this is not even Gerald, it's an imposter done. So 461 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: it turns out that perhaps there is a fake Gerald 462 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: and a real Gerald, and everybody's been dealing with the 463 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: fake Gerald, and that's why it's his evil twin who's 464 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: been tormenting the people and not good old Gerald. He 465 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: says there are two wild turkeys that he saw fight 466 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: to the death, and that one of them he found 467 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: the dead body appeared to be Gerald, except for there's 468 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: one problem with his little theory. This rosarian. He knows 469 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: it's not Gerald because Gerald has an identifying tail plumage, 470 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: and he's like, but it was missing. So he's putting 471 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: forward a theory that he himself debunks is as soon 472 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: as he's talking about it. So he just I like 473 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: to imagine him perched on a bench somewhere, sort of 474 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: shielded behind a large Flora bunda roast bush, peering out 475 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: and watching two turkeys fight to the death. Was he 476 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: upset by this? Was he a little turned on by that? 477 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: Was he betting on it with himself? Was he taking pictures? 478 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: I guess not, because he probably have supplied those. But 479 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: I wouldn't I guess you wouldn't try and intervene in 480 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: a in a turkey death match, not based on what 481 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: we've seen from Gerald's moves, because they could both turn. 482 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: If Gerald was involved and there's another equal Gerald, Yeah, 483 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: they're taking you. They're taking you down. I don't care. 484 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: If you're a full grown man who's a rosarian and 485 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: you've got hedge clippers, they're coming for you. Gerald and 486 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: his twin barreld Evil barreld Bard. Did you have like 487 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 1: a Van Dyke little and must like, oh my god, 488 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: that would be amazing. That's how you know it's him. 489 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: So apparently fake Gerald is the one who dies, and 490 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: the Rosarian, for whatever reason, just muddied the waters with 491 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: this theory that people then got to argue about they 492 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: really had no actual value. So now, well, you know, 493 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: rosarians are really good at spreading manure. I'm going to 494 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: give you that one. Thank you, thank you. So we'll 495 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: be right back after this break with the conclusion of 496 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: what happens with Gerald the turkey who attacked Oakland. So 497 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: now we have spent the spring and summer months in 498 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 1: Oakland with a terrifying monster on the loose, rampaging around 499 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: the Rose Garden, killing other turkeys, terrifying women and children 500 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 1: as somehow a looted capture from the California Apartment of 501 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: Fish and Wildlife. So this turkey. Gerald is not just 502 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: one bad mama jama, but the dude is also seemingly lucky. 503 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: Like it seems to be that if you have professional 504 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: animal I don't want to say hunters, but we'll say 505 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: animal gatherers coming after him, he's able to evade them 506 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: for months. So, now what do you do? You've been 507 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:56,959 Speaker 1: arguing about, well, what's the right thing to do? They 508 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: finally decided to do something about it, and it fails, 509 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: and he's still terrorizing children and old women every day 510 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: who come to the Rose Garden. So, now, if you're 511 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: in Oakland city leader, a civic leader, what's your call? 512 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: You gotta call him the big Guns, right, Oh, you 513 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: got to. So they find the perfect person, a turkey 514 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: whisperer par excellence, and her name is Rebecca Dimitric. She 515 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: is the director of Wildlife Emergency Services and she steps 516 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: into this crazy, crazy challenge. It says, I got this one, 517 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: and everyone's like, really is it? Everybody has failed? What 518 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: are you going to do different? Rebecca Demitric and she's like, 519 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: I think like the turkeys. So she volunteers to enter 520 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: the more calm Rose Garden, a k A. Gerald, the 521 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: Turkey's Layer of violence. And her plan is to just 522 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: catch his eye. And she can catch his eye, then 523 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: she will work her magic by basically both challenging him 524 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: and inviting him in closer by saying, you want some 525 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: of this bird. And so she is she is slow 526 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: walking around the park dressed like an old woman, because 527 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: that's her gambit. She's like, look, the bird loves going 528 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: after old women. I'm coming in like an old woman. 529 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: So she gets all dolled up in like a wig 530 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: and a hat and old women clothed. Hearts creeping around 531 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: the park looking to incite Gerald. Do you think it works? 532 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: I think that if people knew about this and it 533 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: got posted on next door, there would be accusations of 534 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: ages m and that perhaps not all older women women 535 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,719 Speaker 1: walk hunched over and have curly gray hair and use 536 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: a walker and how dare you? And I'm going to 537 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: call the gray panthers? And and then someone else will say, 538 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: you know, you're the reason why the property values are 539 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 1: so high and you don't pay taxes because it propped thirteen. 540 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: That's how that that would takes you three responses to 541 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: get there. Yeah, you get Prop thirteen and three responses, 542 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: no doubt. So Basically she's the hero of the moment 543 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: by thinking outside of the box. But not just outside 544 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: of the box. She thinks like a turkey. She's like, 545 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: she went undercover, Yeah, exact deep cover. She's like, what 546 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: does he want? I will give him that. So Dimitric 547 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: is walking around in the park, all elderly and infirmed. 548 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: The turkeys preferred victim and Gerald Caesar. He's like, oh girl, 549 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: and he's like all fired up. He starts slow walking 550 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: over to her, just like she expects. He gets close 551 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: enough to basically present a challenge. He swells up, he 552 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: puffs up his chest, he chuffs out his plumage. He 553 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: locks eyes with Rebecca Dimitric. He scratches the earth, he 554 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: flashes his spirit of hatred and resilience. And then as 555 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: the feathers decorate the air with a vibrating intensity, and 556 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: his twenty five pound bulk is just sitting there, tensing, 557 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: waiting to attack, Rebecca Demitric takes a quiet moment to 558 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: herself and she says, quote, I saw his reaction to me, 559 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: and I said, oh, you want a piece of this, 560 00:31:55,560 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: I'll give it to you. Gerrold draws close, sir, and closer, 561 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: but basically working on I don't know, some kind of 562 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: bird brain logic. As soon as he gets close enough, 563 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: he decides strike and that's when he jumps at her. 564 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: But she's ready for it, and Dimitric no longer pretends 565 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: to be an old woman. Gerald never sees the ruse coming. 566 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: The fast hand of a perfectly physically fit young woman 567 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: reaches out and grabs the turkey by the neck and 568 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: reaches up into the sky with the bird, pulling him 569 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: off the earth as his claws scratches empty air and 570 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: his bird feathers are ruffling. But she holds onto the 571 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: scruff of his neck and as he's gobbling, and she's like, 572 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: look your mind now, and he's as helpless as a 573 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 1: hatchling chick. So boom. Rebecca Dimitric is the hero. The 574 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: five month ordeal is done. Gerald, the turkey has been 575 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: liberated from the park. Rebecca has him by the neck. 576 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: By the neck. That was like that was like a 577 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: like a Samurai movie or like a Bruce Lee montage. 578 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: The tension of the two, these two very capable and 579 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: dance is facing on like Brucelye and Chuck Norris. By 580 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: the way, just for a little fun fact, her husband 581 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: was up on the hill. He watches this all go 582 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: down because he works with her, he's her coworker, and 583 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: he's like, you got this baby? Do you think he 584 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: had a sniper rifle in case he went south and 585 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: then it would just be justifiable force. He's like, hey, 586 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. It's like I had to 587 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: stand her ground. He had like he was. She's dressed 588 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: as an old woman, but he's up on a on 589 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: a ridge with like cargo pants, like tactical pants, and 590 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: a in a vest. And then just you think he 591 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: has a rifle with a sight, but it's actually just 592 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: a camera with a telescopic lens, because these are these 593 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: are gentle folks. It's like one of those cameras, but 594 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: with the butt of the like a shotgun or rifle 595 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: up against his shoulders. He's like looking through it looks 596 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: like it's a gun, but it's actually no, you know 597 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: what it was. It was a T shirt cannon. So 598 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,439 Speaker 1: in October, the friends of more Calm Rose Garden take 599 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 1: to Facebook to announce the good news the turkey who 600 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: has been attacking Rose Garden visitors has been captured and relocated. 601 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 1: On Thursday, October, Please return to the Rose Garden to 602 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: enjoy remaining bloom of the season. Happy autumn. Now, where 603 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: do you think the responses to that are gonna be? Yep, 604 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:32,359 Speaker 1: So Jean comes back in at last exclamation but exclamation point, 605 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: exclamation point, thank you, thank you for finally humanely capturing 606 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: and relocating him. I was traumatized by him, but still 607 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,240 Speaker 1: only wanted the best for him. I hope he enjoys 608 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: his new home with other turkeys far away from the 609 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: Rose Garden. Cheryl jumps in. I am happy, especially as 610 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,879 Speaker 1: the volunteers who make the space beautiful can be free 611 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: of harm as in the past. And then Barbara jumps 612 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: in as well, suspiciously close to Thanksgiving, barbed with the 613 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 1: dark humor. Now Joel he comes in, and he basically 614 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: puts the cap on it with To be honest, I'm sad, 615 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: not because I cared about Gerald, which sorry to say, 616 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: I didn't really, not in a callous way. Nor do 617 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: I judge anyone for having an affinity or grudge. My 618 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: empathy just doesn't reach that far. Perhaps I will truly 619 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: miss these posts and the vitriol hurled back and forth. 620 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: I feel like contained therein were all of the secrets 621 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: of humanity and coexistence. And if we were only smart 622 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: enough to understand him, Gerald could have showed us how 623 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: to love one another. But I don't know, the edibles 624 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: kicked in too. Maybe it's that here here Joel so 625 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 1: does Joel pretty much have the final word on the 626 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: Gerald side. Gets it. Joel totally gets it. He I 627 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,280 Speaker 1: love that, you know that, Like I, I too missed 628 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,720 Speaker 1: the post and the vitriol. Think about where we were though, 629 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: as the people. You know, it was a rough time 630 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 1: everyone was going through. Yeah, and we on top of that, um, 631 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,720 Speaker 1: we had so much social unrest, So we had COVID, 632 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: we had we had husbands and wives having to be 633 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,439 Speaker 1: together all the time even though they had never really 634 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: done that since they were first dating. And let's just 635 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 1: be real about that. There was some tensions for some 636 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 1: of these couples who needed that can't hang. Yeah, And 637 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: there were people who really needed their yoga time because 638 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 1: apparently the people do yoga in the Rose Garden. Sure, 639 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 1: and I'm sure some people needed to get their children 640 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: out into the grass just to get out of the house. 641 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 1: And for a big portion of that section of the 642 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 1: summer we had in Oakland and curfew. That's true, I 643 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: feel recalled. So fireworks as usual. Oh, that's right. Although, yeah, 644 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,320 Speaker 1: the fireworks being left on street corners by the CIA 645 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 1: or whatever people thought, right, you know, it was a 646 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 1: crazy time times. Now, are you curious what the last 647 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 1: and final chapter of this Gerald the Turkey's saga and 648 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: how it ends? Always I'm curious in general about everything, 649 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,439 Speaker 1: but particular about this. Well, I'm happy to tell you 650 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: I have a happy ending. So Gerald the Turkey, after 651 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 1: he's captured by Rebecca to tricks fast hands, he has 652 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: taken over one town over to a place called Arenda. 653 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 1: You know Arenda. Arenda is located just over the wrinkle 654 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 1: of hills that are to the east of Oakland, and 655 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: it is they're in a sunny, golden grass amongst a 656 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: glade of oak trees that Gerald is brought in a 657 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 1: cardboard box and they then dump over the cardboard box 658 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: and they let Gerald out, and he looks at his 659 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: former captors. He remembers fleetingly being a monster and the 660 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 1: sounds of screams and terror, and then shakes it all off, 661 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: gives his feathers one last little good ruffle, and then 662 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,240 Speaker 1: runs into the underbrush and disappears for all time looking 663 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: for cat food, and that, my friends, is the end 664 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,879 Speaker 1: of the Gerald the Turkey side. Gerald. I love that, right, 665 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 1: Isn't that a good one? It reveals a little bit 666 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: about all of us and the friends we made along 667 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: the way. It's like at everyone involved had their notion 668 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 1: of what wellness was and and how they can go 669 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,319 Speaker 1: about implementing that wellness. And uh yeah, Now, I will 670 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 1: say that in general, I always root for the animals 671 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: in these stories, because like the people who keep you know, 672 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 1: primates as pets and then that they ripped the chimp 673 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: rips or face off, and I'm like, I'm so proud 674 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: of that chimp, so happy for you did it like that? 675 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 1: You know, It's just you don't keep wild animals, let 676 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:39,280 Speaker 1: wild be wild, or or acknowledge that we're all animals 677 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 1: and that you then have to acknowledge the fact that 678 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 1: we have territorial issues too. Yeah, exactly, so you know, 679 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: and I think that's that's important to you can say 680 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: we're animals too. You gotta give everybody some space. You 681 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,879 Speaker 1: gotta give Gerald some space, You've gotta give each other 682 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,919 Speaker 1: some space. We all have to exist here. I'm really 683 00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 1: I'm I'm curious as to Gerald's motivations if it was 684 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 1: something to do with protecting a brood, or if it 685 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 1: was like he just got a taste of what it 686 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 1: could be like with fewer people. The tiger who gets 687 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,360 Speaker 1: a taste of human blood, and there's idea of the 688 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 1: blood lust, taste of of aged blood like that children, 689 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 1: he's just culling the herd. I like to think that 690 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 1: Gerald is the spirit of nature, reminding us that wild 691 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 1: is what we all are. I like that essentially, So, 692 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 1: what do you think is our ridiculous takeaway here? I 693 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:39,480 Speaker 1: think our ridiculous takeaway is one that social media can 694 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,480 Speaker 1: make anything completely outrageous and ridiculous, because this could have 695 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,759 Speaker 1: been just a nice, quiet story of people contacting the 696 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 1: authorities and saying I got attack play. That's the ridiculous thing, though, 697 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 1: I mean, come on, also, I mean, just frankly, scientifically speaking, 698 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 1: you got to know if you're going to mess with 699 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 1: an animal descended from a t rex, it's not going 700 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 1: to take your guff. I don't care if you're walking 701 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,439 Speaker 1: around Disneyland with a turkey leg. If that turkey leg 702 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 1: was still attached to a living turkey, you wouldn't even 703 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 1: have a chance done. By the way, did you know 704 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 1: that the turkey was going to be the national bird 705 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: of America? Ben Franklin really wanted it. Yeah, he was 706 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 1: all about it. I think he made the right call 707 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 1: and we made the wrong call because Daryld the turkey 708 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,319 Speaker 1: sounds about as American as I can get. Well. Thank 709 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 1: you for listening, Um, Zarin Burnett and Elizabeth Dutton. You 710 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,840 Speaker 1: can find us online at Ridiculous Crime on both Twitter 711 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: and Instagram. 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