Speaker 1: What a whirlwind interviewing Rachel going viral, breaking the Internet,
Speaker 1: so many rumors, so many press articles, and it's unsettling
Speaker 1: to be honest, you know, She's gotten a lot of
Speaker 1: hate in the world, and I'm taking on a lot
Speaker 1: of that hate now. And it's been really interesting because
Speaker 1: I'm proud of myself for not caring really that much.
Speaker 1: Like just people that I really respect in the entertainment
Speaker 1: industry and in politics and government and business, and people
Speaker 1: I just interact with on a data are all saying
Speaker 1: to me, you're doing the right thing, and change scares people,
Speaker 1: and I'm totally on the right side of history that
Speaker 1: I've had five documentarians reach out to me to want
Speaker 1: to do documentaries. Just the swirling press shows that I
Speaker 1: struck a chord and a nerve And there are so
Speaker 1: many different things that people want to say and talk about.
Speaker 1: So let's break it down first. Some people say to me, oh, wow,
Speaker 1: is Andy Madge you're doing this? Have you spoken to him?
Speaker 1: And I say I have not, but I'm sure he is.
Speaker 1: And this is not a target on Andy. This is
Speaker 1: not a target on Bravo. This is about a systemic
Speaker 1: issue in the entertainment industry. People have come and said, oh,
Speaker 1: aren't you a hypocrite. I'm a hypocrite because there was
Speaker 1: a show that I was talking I was never talking
Speaker 1: to Bravo, by the way. I was talking to a
Speaker 1: production company. I spoke to Andy one time, but he
Speaker 1: wasn't even working on this project, and I spoke to
Speaker 1: a production company in Bravo was the most logical place
Speaker 1: that this project would live about Connecticut, And a couple
Speaker 1: of months ago I decided I didn't want to do
Speaker 1: it anymore. I just backed out of the project. And
Speaker 1: it wasn't really that well thought out, and I didn't
Speaker 1: know that I would even talk about this quote unquote
Speaker 1: reality reckoning or have a problem with exploitation. I didn't
Speaker 1: really think about it. I didn't allow myself to be
Speaker 1: exploited because I also was in a power position. When
Speaker 1: you are a rain maker, you make money, you make ratings,
Speaker 1: you're not as exploited as other people who don't really
Speaker 1: have a vote and a voice. So there were things
Speaker 1: though that happened with vote incidents and the way that
Speaker 1: people are just lied to and manipulated. There are things
Speaker 1: that have happened, but I never so I can handle
Speaker 1: myself in any industry. I've been exploited in other industries too.
Speaker 2: It's okay.
Speaker 1: I can totally handle myself. So I just decided several
Speaker 1: months ago that I didn't want to do the show
Speaker 1: because I had heard about this lawsuit against the production
Speaker 1: company that I was doing the show with that they
Speaker 1: had stolen allegedly someone's show from Married to Medicine. Now,
Speaker 1: one of the publications was calling recently and saying, well,
Speaker 1: that's hypocritical. That was two years ago, that lawsuit. Okay,
Speaker 1: I didn't know about it.
Speaker 2: Two years ago.
Speaker 1: I wasn't following the improper practices within the world of
Speaker 1: reality TV and the behind the scenes underbelly. I do
Speaker 1: have another life, another job, I have a daughter, so
Speaker 1: I did not know about that. I was already feeling hesitation,
Speaker 1: not because of Bravo. I didn't know any of this.
Speaker 1: I was already feeling hesitation about doing this show because
Speaker 1: A I want content to the people. I want to
Speaker 1: be on platforms where I can control when it goes
Speaker 1: up and what goes out, not having to have a
Speaker 1: bay of editors control my content. It takes a week
Speaker 1: to film the Housewives episode, and you only get an
Speaker 1: hour of footage, which is that's where all the juicy
Speaker 1: other things that aren't shown live on the cutting room floor.
Speaker 1: So I wanted content to the people. It's where I'm
Speaker 1: moving with social media. It's very obvious. Everyone was like, oh, TikTok,
Speaker 1: she's starting a beauty line that was false. Didn't happen Instagram,
Speaker 1: none of this. I just wanted content to the people
Speaker 1: the way that I want it. So I was having
Speaker 1: that thought, and then I just got a shady sense
Speaker 1: of the partners I was working with the way that
Speaker 1: they were working, and I had a weird feeling that
Speaker 1: they kind of were withholding some information about the show
Speaker 1: and wanted to put language in that created loopholes so
Speaker 1: they could then do the show with or without me,
Speaker 1: even though it was my concept and I had spoken
Speaker 1: to Andy about it. So I just felt a little sketch.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a big deal. So I walked away from
Speaker 1: that deal. And now that's because the Bravo machine is
Speaker 1: hard at work, because they are being pummeled and the
Speaker 1: best is yet to come, Like they have only just
Speaker 1: begun to feel the wrath that's coming down on them
Speaker 1: because they this Pandora's box that yes, I opened by
Speaker 1: saying something, but I did not expect the half of this.
Speaker 1: I didn't experience a lot of that treatment myself. But
Speaker 1: I understand it, and I know that I've kind of
Speaker 1: ignored hearing different people's stories in the past because it
Speaker 1: wasn't about me. And I now hear a lot of
Speaker 1: people on the different shows doing that as well, ignoring
Speaker 1: because it's not about them, and they're making money on
Speaker 1: this platform.
Speaker 2: And I get it. I get it.
Speaker 1: You're on Beverly Hills, you're on Vanderpump, you're not talking.
Speaker 1: You're making money right now in a strike environment.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 1: So one of the outlets was saying Bethany shouldn't be
Speaker 1: leading this charge because it's hypocritical of her because she
Speaker 1: was going to be in business with Bravo.
Speaker 2: I'm not in a charge against Bravo.
Speaker 1: It's against an entire industry where people need to be unionized.
Speaker 1: Because it's so cheap to make the shows. That's gonna
Speaker 1: age like milk. Yes, it's so cheap to make the shows,
Speaker 1: but the money that the shows generate is as much
Speaker 1: as network television. So do the math. If it's cheap
Speaker 1: to make the shows and the shows are getting millions
Speaker 1: of views and millions of dollars in advertising.
Speaker 2: Who's getting fucked?
Speaker 1: I guarantee it's not least a vander Pump and Alex
Speaker 1: Baskin who owns Evolution Media.
Speaker 2: And it will come out. I'm sure.
Speaker 1: I'm putting it out there that I worked with Mark
Speaker 1: Burnett and they bought Evolution Media, and Evolution worked on
Speaker 1: The Big Shot and I loved the show, and the
Speaker 1: show went well, and it was really like a tight production,
Speaker 1: and it was a big production. But you can ask
Speaker 1: anybody on the crew if this happened or not. The
Speaker 1: first night was on election Day and it was freezing.
Speaker 1: It was unseasonably cold, and it was my birthday. I
Speaker 1: think it was my birthday. It was right about my birthday,
Speaker 1: right around my birthday, and it was election Day and
Speaker 1: it was unseasonably cold, and we were in Connecticut at
Speaker 1: my house. I hadn't spent a night at my house yet.
Speaker 1: And I walked into the house because I had just
Speaker 1: bought it, and there were had to be one hundred
Speaker 1: people in the house, one hundred people, like rings of
Speaker 1: coffee on the countertop, like it was a disaster. It
Speaker 1: was such a horrible mess. I was getting such anxiety
Speaker 1: about a mess. And there were all these contestants that
Speaker 1: were there before we picked the first group, and they
Speaker 1: all came in I think on buses or cars, and
Speaker 1: they had been staying at a hotel for a long time,
Speaker 1: way longer than they were supposed to be and they
Speaker 1: had to stay in a hotel for not only quarantining,
Speaker 1: because of COVID, and it was the worse time to
Speaker 1: do a show. And I kept feeling terrible that they
Speaker 1: were It was around Thanksgiving. I think they had to
Speaker 1: be in that room, I felt. I kept saying, like,
Speaker 1: this is not it's not a good situation. And we
Speaker 1: were in my house and they were all downstairs. I
Speaker 1: wasn't with them, but it was freezing, and they wanted
Speaker 1: us to get this whole shoot of this first episode
Speaker 1: done in one day, and it was now getting to
Speaker 1: be like one o'clock in the morning, two o'clock in
Speaker 1: the morning, and I said to the EP, the EP
Speaker 1: and some working under her. Many people ended up quitting,
Speaker 1: by the way, the sound girl quit after this day.
Speaker 1: And I said, is this legal? Because people were there
Speaker 1: till like two o'clock in the morning and it was freezing,
Speaker 1: and I was frozen solid, and I had been there
Speaker 1: all day, but they had been there I think even longer,
Speaker 1: or maybe they came in the buses, but I can't.
Speaker 1: And and the EP said to me, it's not legal,
Speaker 1: but it's not right.
Speaker 2: It's not right.
Speaker 1: And I understood why the producers wanted to keep it going,
Speaker 1: and maybe even the cast would have understood because they
Speaker 1: had to get the shot from the first day. They
Speaker 1: only had this location this one day because of budgets
Speaker 1: or whatever reason. They were only going to be here
Speaker 1: at this house, taking everyone out to Connecticut on this
Speaker 1: one day, so they felt like they had to get
Speaker 1: it in. But it just felt like this is not appropriate.
Speaker 1: But there was nobody to say it wasn't appropriate. There
Speaker 1: was no master, there's no governor, there's no HR, there's
Speaker 1: no union representative. So I know that, and my name
Speaker 1: is on that product, and everybody knew that it was
Speaker 1: fucked up. And the next time we shot, we were
Speaker 1: in the office that the show had sort of rented
Speaker 1: out for us, and I did a speech to everybody
Speaker 1: and said that will never happen again, Like that does
Speaker 1: not reflect you know, what this show is.
Speaker 2: So I just want to mention.
Speaker 1: That there needs to be a controlled environment, There needs
Speaker 1: to be guardrails. So about the interview, A lot of
Speaker 1: people just don't care for Rachel and don't believe her
Speaker 1: and her team Ariana because she got cheated on which
Speaker 1: I get. I could reiterate a thousand times that it
Speaker 1: was pushed through the pr machine and this particular incident
Speaker 1: triggered people more and everybody did make a lot of
Speaker 1: money and Rachel did not. And the number out there
Speaker 1: saying that she made several hundred thousand dollars for the
Speaker 1: season and is false, completely false. And also think about this,
Speaker 1: It's been said publicly by the producer of the show
Speaker 1: that they were going to cancel the show and Sandal
Speaker 1: Scandival saved it, So you don't have a new character.
Speaker 1: She's been on two seasons of reality TV. This is
Speaker 1: her third season as a full time person coming in
Speaker 1: to make three hundred and sixty thousand dollars. She hasn't
Speaker 1: been there for ten years, and they wouldn't give her
Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty thousand dollars on a failing show
Speaker 1: that's going off the air for a third season. It
Speaker 1: just wouldn't happen. So that's completely false. And people are saying, Oh,
Speaker 1: I should be paying her, like they're trying to say
Speaker 1: that I'm exploiting her for ratings.
Speaker 2: That's to live on the rest of her life. Just
Speaker 2: so you know whether I paid her or not. How
Speaker 2: do you know what I did? How do you know
Speaker 2: what I'm doing with her? Nobody knows what I'm really doing.
Speaker 1: But I love the speculation and the thing that people
Speaker 1: don't realize, particularly on TikTok, but definitely social media in general.
Speaker 1: Bring it on.
Speaker 2: I love it number one worldwide.
Speaker 1: For having a conversation with a woman who hasn't been
Speaker 1: able to get a conversation out unedited, and everyone thinks
Speaker 1: that they saw everything on this television show. I worked
Speaker 1: in reality TV for fifteen years on every type of
Speaker 1: show from The Apprentice to the Skating with the Stars
Speaker 1: to the Big Shot. I've worked on talk shows. I've
Speaker 1: worked in every area of this business. It takes a
Speaker 1: week to film a one hour episode on the Housewives,
Speaker 1: So what the hell do you think is on that
Speaker 1: cutting room floor?
Speaker 2: Just nothing?
Speaker 1: Just eating cupcakes, like taking baths, or do you think
Speaker 1: there's actual shit there? Because I can tell you that
Speaker 1: when I was in Scary Island, with Kelly. The cast
Speaker 1: were the cast were the ones who shut down the
Speaker 1: situation with Kelly. We were the ones who realized that
Speaker 1: she seemed like she was going through something, an emotional
Speaker 1: breakdown of some sort, and particularly Sonya was like, now
Speaker 1: we have to stop, and we all got it. We
Speaker 1: did stop, and she was escorted home the next day.
Speaker 1: With all due respect to her, she was escorted home
Speaker 1: the next day. A producer that does not fly first
Speaker 1: class was seated on the plane next to her first class.
Speaker 1: I remember them telling me, Wow, I've even flew first class.
Speaker 1: They wanted me to travel with her and the entire
Speaker 1: cast because I remember us filming. After thought, there's no
Speaker 1: way she's coming back, like she just had some sort
Speaker 1: of an emotional break. And the show can do that
Speaker 1: to you. The pressure, the editing, the alcohol, the interviews,
Speaker 1: just all of it. And even if you act that
Speaker 1: way and then other people see you as that way,
Speaker 1: and then you see yourself, you see yourself differently in
Speaker 1: the edit, it's still part of it. So we all
Speaker 1: were the ones who were like, Okay, it's enough, like
Speaker 1: let's stop. And then later the camera stopped, but they
Speaker 1: had her filming again days later. We all were shocked.
Speaker 1: We thought she was going away somewhere, but not for
Speaker 1: the show. They want to capture that, so they want
Speaker 1: to get it all, but a lot of it ends
Speaker 1: up on the floor, and they want to ride the
Speaker 1: line with the can. They want to ride the line
Speaker 1: with airing what they can air without getting sued without
Speaker 1: it looking like it's fully illegal. And so I just
Speaker 1: want to say to you, if it takes a week
Speaker 1: to film a show that's going to fill forty something
Speaker 1: minutes of airtime, what do you think you don't see?
Speaker 2: It's a lot.
Speaker 1: So no one's an expert on what really happened behind
Speaker 1: the scenes of this affair. But the man who cheated
Speaker 1: on his girlfriend of ten years is living with her now,
Speaker 1: so she's at least forgiven him enough to live together.
Speaker 1: But the girl that was friends with her on the show,
Speaker 1: who's apologetic and who did fuck up, it seems, was
Speaker 1: emotionally abused at this reunion. She had sex multiple times
Speaker 1: for many months with a man with a girlfriend who
Speaker 1: he's now living with, who have been on a reality
Speaker 1: show together for that entire time, who are profiting from
Speaker 1: the scandal individually and together, who have businesses that profit
Speaker 1: off the show that profited off the scandal. Who get
Speaker 1: to be on television another season on a show that
Speaker 1: was getting canceled because of the scandal. And the girl,
Speaker 1: one of the people, is not compensated and she's you
Speaker 1: could hate her or lover. There's a villain. You needed
Speaker 1: a villain, and she's the villain. So she's allowed to
Speaker 1: talk and have a voice. And it's been insane. And
Speaker 1: watch out the Bravo pr Machine numbers. They're throwing out
Speaker 1: several hundred thousand dollars, which is not true anyway. They're
Speaker 1: trying to throw out numbers and clump together everything she's
Speaker 1: ever made on vander Propert rules not this season. And
Speaker 1: Lisa vander Pump and Alex Baskin coming out and commenting
Speaker 1: on what she's making. They're just trying to protect the realm.
Speaker 1: They have to protect the realm.
Speaker 2: This is massive.
Speaker 1: Bravo's never had a hit like this ever in its history.
Speaker 1: So what would you do if you had the biggest
Speaker 1: hit of your life. You would have to prote the
Speaker 1: realm at any cost. It's the number one most important
Speaker 1: thing to Bravo, to Lisa vander Pump, to Evolution, to MGM,
Speaker 1: on top of evolution to Alex Baskin, to Tom to Ariana.
Speaker 1: And here's one thing no one's talking about. Rachel left
Speaker 1: the show. She could have gone back, She could have
Speaker 1: gone back and made money. She took a stance, So
Speaker 1: I would like to know what everyone would like her
Speaker 1: to do. So, of course, it's such a big thing
Speaker 1: that everyone's talking about because everyone is perfect and no
Speaker 1: one's ever made mistakes, especially in their twenties. Has anyone
Speaker 1: ever made a mistake in their twenties that they regret?
Speaker 1: Oh wait a second, what about if you guys are
Speaker 1: drinking and maybe doing drugs and like out late at
Speaker 1: night at nightclubs?
Speaker 2: Oh what if you guys work at a nightclub. What
Speaker 2: if you're out late.
Speaker 1: At night listening to bands and music and there are
Speaker 1: a bunch of other twenty and thirty year olds around
Speaker 1: also drinking and listening to bands and music in La
Speaker 1: you know, a very fast town of like broken dreams.
Speaker 1: I think it's shocking that before Rachel, there's never been
Speaker 1: a woman who's had an affair or made a mistake. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was perfect in my twenties. Everything I ever did
Speaker 1: in my twenties was perfect. I've never been cheated on.
Speaker 1: It'd never cheated because I've never heard of that happening before.
Speaker 2: It's very strange.
Speaker 1: And also imagine if like you could get paid for that,
Speaker 1: you get paid after having an affair, and like the
Speaker 1: business thrives and succeeds and goes through the roof.
Speaker 2: That's amazing. Wow, what a model.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, and what about if the people who
Speaker 1: own the bars that the people get drunk in and
Speaker 1: have affairs in and around also make money not only
Speaker 1: on the restaurant and bars, but they kick it up
Speaker 1: to the top to Bravo and NBCUniversal, who also gets
Speaker 1: to profit on it. So they're profiting on a scandal,
Speaker 1: cheating bars and ratings and advertisers, all on a show
Speaker 1: that takes like over a week to shoot, but you
Speaker 1: only get to see an hour. But I'm sure everything
Speaker 1: that's not in that hour is really boring. I'm sure
Speaker 1: nothing happens because nothing happens at all after midnight, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's really a boring time when
Speaker 1: you're wasted two in the morning. I'm sure there's.
Speaker 2: Nothing to film.
Speaker 1: They should be filming like in the morning, like meditation
Speaker 1: practice or like a yoga retreat.
Speaker 2: That's what it is.
Speaker 1: Like, maybe that would be more interesting television, and Bravo
Speaker 1: should do that. They should do a show called Meditation
Speaker 1: Nation with a bunch of young people that don't drink,
Speaker 1: don't have affairs, everyone's best friends. There's no conflict, no restaurants,
Speaker 1: no advertisers, and it's just really about self help, reflection
Speaker 1: and meditation.
Speaker 2: That's kind of.
Speaker 1: Would be a really that's maybe a good show for them,
Speaker 1: and then everyone will love Rachel because she'll just be meditating,
Speaker 1: no mistakes the media or the media. Yes, that I
Speaker 1: shouldn't be leading this charge, Okay, that I shouldn't leave
Speaker 1: the charge against Bravo. Okay, great, someone like to nominate
Speaker 1: themselves because I'm send an edit arrangement over momentarily. I'd
Speaker 1: love for someone to nominate themselves. Does anyone think I
Speaker 1: like thought a couple weeks ago, I'd like, wake up, like, hmm,
Speaker 1: let me fucking start a ship storm, make tons of enemies,
Speaker 1: burn bridges that I didn't need to burn, and be
Speaker 1: the leader of a charge, like having meetings that I
Speaker 1: don't need to have, like having meetings with SAG and
Speaker 1: AFTRA and with lawyers and with you know, all these
Speaker 1: different people like I could be surfing. So if somebody
Speaker 1: else wants to leave the charge, have at it. And
Speaker 1: the best part about this whole thing is I don't
Speaker 1: give a shit, Like I don't care what people think.
Speaker 1: That's what's funny. I look through social media and get
Speaker 1: dragged and trolled, and I like it means you're engage,
Speaker 1: You're so bothered, you're so triggered.
Speaker 2: Keep it up.
Speaker 1: Like hate sites about me, hate blogs. People their entire day,
Speaker 1: their entire lives are spent like putting little fuzzy microphones
Speaker 1: in front of their mouth to like talk about me.
Speaker 2: Go keep going.
Speaker 1: I don't need a publicist anymore. I've got all these
Speaker 1: hate sites. Keep going, keep going, baby. I like it.
Speaker 1: So people have a hard time with that, because then
Speaker 1: where are're gonna go?
Speaker 2: I don't give a shit. It's engagement. Congrats.
Speaker 1: I get some questions about Nini in the beginning of
Speaker 1: this about that she she says I can say things
Speaker 1: she can't say.
Speaker 2: I know what to say and what not to say.
Speaker 2: I like Nini.
Speaker 1: Nini has talked before about unfair practices. The difference is
Speaker 1: that Nini's talked about herself, how she herself has been
Speaker 1: wronged and she's sued for compensation and settled for herself.
Speaker 1: So that's the difference. I haven't gone and said like here,
Speaker 1: I want compensation for anything, and this is what happened
Speaker 1: to me. So my my charge, as page six calls it,
Speaker 1: is about the entire industry and really other people and myself.
Speaker 1: But since I'm not going back to network TV and streaming,
Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter to me. You can watch my
Speaker 1: YouTube series and get everything you know that I'm doing
Speaker 1: because I don't want to be on.
Speaker 2: Normal network TV.
Speaker 1: But uh, and the reason I didn't want to go
Speaker 1: back to traditional cable TV is the numbers don't lie.
Speaker 1: On my podcast and on my YouTube series, I get
Speaker 1: the same, if not more views than the Real Housewives
Speaker 1: reboot gets. They get like a couple of hundred thousand,
Speaker 1: like four hundred thousand viewers for a multi million dollar
Speaker 1: budget project like so unwieldy, so bulky. I'd rather just
Speaker 1: video something in the moment and throw it up on
Speaker 1: YouTube content to the people. So I'm not interested in
Speaker 1: that unwieldy, bulky model with like a bunch of executives
Speaker 1: in a conference room and pitching them something that they
Speaker 1: won't understand and editors and glossy magazines and budgets. I
Speaker 1: would rather just get the content up. Also, I was
Speaker 1: part of this machine, like the cheerleader for this machine.
Speaker 1: I've said things to people that I will always regret.
Speaker 1: But we're the soldiers. We're not the ones in charge that, frankly,
Speaker 1: should instill better workplace practices. Gretchen ROSSI was at Tamram
Speaker 1: I think Tamra's house, and Vicky and Tamers said they
Speaker 1: were gonna get her naked wasted. They kept giving her drinks,
Speaker 1: and then in another room, Tamer's son you heard like
Speaker 1: forcing himself on her. And I didn't see like a
Speaker 1: camera person go in and open up the door and
Speaker 1: be like get off her. It goes as far as
Speaker 1: it can go, but someone might have psychological damage from that.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a woman who had a man naked
Speaker 1: climb on top of her on below deck, and the
Speaker 1: captain who came down and threw him off the boat
Speaker 1: is getting, you know, praised, and that's great for him,
Speaker 1: But what about the camera people and somebody else in
Speaker 1: video village, which is a room where there's a group
Speaker 1: of people watching a small screen. What about someone in
Speaker 1: there being like, oh my god, there's a fucking naked
Speaker 1: guy in going into her room. But no, because it's
Speaker 1: good for the show to hear Gretchen having someone force
Speaker 1: themselves on her while she's blackout, wasted and could make
Speaker 1: really bad decisions. Who's there to say, like stop, Who's
Speaker 1: there to say, let's stop with this Kelly thing. We
Speaker 1: sent her home, but she shouldn't be filming anymore. It's
Speaker 1: at the very least it's emotionally not the right place
Speaker 1: for her. But no, because it's about ratings and about money.
Speaker 1: You know, I was breaking down after Dennis died and
Speaker 1: you had to come back and film, and I was
Speaker 1: in Florida and I was cracking.
Speaker 2: But no, that's good.
Speaker 1: Having a nervous breakdown and cracking is good. I was
Speaker 1: the one, and I have all the receipts who called
Speaker 1: Bravo and said to pay for Luanne to go to
Speaker 1: rehab because and to pay her for the reunion that
Speaker 1: she was missing, because if they didn't, she would have
Speaker 1: come to the reunion and been like a mess.
Speaker 2: But that would have been great for them.
Speaker 1: And I said to him, I wasn't showing up if
Speaker 1: they didn't do that, and it doesn't matter that she
Speaker 1: hates me and that she's making money off Bravo now
Speaker 1: and doing her show. It's fine, and did Ultimate Girlship,
Speaker 1: It's fine. But the truth is they wanted her to
Speaker 1: exploit herself on the reunion and I had power then,
Speaker 1: so I said, and you can ask Barbara, and you
Speaker 1: can ask her good friend, Anne Leuen's good friend Ann, Barbara,
Speaker 1: myself and Anne who arranged everything from the intervention to
Speaker 1: me getting the lawyers to saving Luanne from spending seven
Speaker 1: million dollars in a house, And you can ask the
Speaker 1: two of them. If I didn't do that, if I
Speaker 1: didn't call Bravo and say I'm not going to go,
Speaker 1: and she has to be paid for the reunion and
Speaker 1: for rehab, and that year I was there was a
Speaker 1: firing squad against me and I and she would have
Speaker 1: been one of my only allies. And I still said
Speaker 1: to do it because it was a difference between right
Speaker 1: and wrong.
Speaker 2: So that happened.
Speaker 1: So to close out on Rachel, she's a person, she
Speaker 1: has an opinion, she has a voice, she has a story.
Speaker 1: You don't have to like it, you don't have to
Speaker 1: believe it, you don't even have to listen into it.
Speaker 1: But to abuse someone who did something that so many
Speaker 1: other people have done, To abuse someone did anyone ever
Speaker 1: hear the very basic saying to err is human, to
Speaker 1: forgive is divine.
Speaker 2: She made a mistake.