1 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: What a whirlwind interviewing Rachel going viral, breaking the Internet, 2 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: so many rumors, so many press articles, and it's unsettling 3 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 1: to be honest, you know, She's gotten a lot of 4 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: hate in the world, and I'm taking on a lot 5 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: of that hate now. And it's been really interesting because 6 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 1: I'm proud of myself for not caring really that much. 7 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,599 Speaker 1: Like just people that I really respect in the entertainment 8 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: industry and in politics and government and business, and people 9 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: I just interact with on a data are all saying 10 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: to me, you're doing the right thing, and change scares people, 11 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: and I'm totally on the right side of history that 12 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: I've had five documentarians reach out to me to want 13 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: to do documentaries. Just the swirling press shows that I 14 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: struck a chord and a nerve And there are so 15 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: many different things that people want to say and talk about. 16 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: So let's break it down first. Some people say to me, oh, wow, 17 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: is Andy Madge you're doing this? Have you spoken to him? 18 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: And I say I have not, but I'm sure he is. 19 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: And this is not a target on Andy. This is 20 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: not a target on Bravo. This is about a systemic 21 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:44,839 Speaker 1: issue in the entertainment industry. People have come and said, oh, 22 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: aren't you a hypocrite. I'm a hypocrite because there was 23 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: a show that I was talking I was never talking 24 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: to Bravo, by the way. I was talking to a 25 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: production company. I spoke to Andy one time, but he 26 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: wasn't even working on this project, and I spoke to 27 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: a production company in Bravo was the most logical place 28 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: that this project would live about Connecticut, And a couple 29 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: of months ago I decided I didn't want to do 30 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: it anymore. I just backed out of the project. And 31 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: it wasn't really that well thought out, and I didn't 32 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: know that I would even talk about this quote unquote 33 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: reality reckoning or have a problem with exploitation. I didn't 34 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: really think about it. I didn't allow myself to be 35 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: exploited because I also was in a power position. When 36 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: you are a rain maker, you make money, you make ratings, 37 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: you're not as exploited as other people who don't really 38 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: have a vote and a voice. So there were things 39 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: though that happened with vote incidents and the way that 40 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: people are just lied to and manipulated. There are things 41 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: that have happened, but I never so I can handle 42 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: myself in any industry. I've been exploited in other industries too. 43 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: It's okay. 44 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: I can totally handle myself. So I just decided several 45 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: months ago that I didn't want to do the show 46 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: because I had heard about this lawsuit against the production 47 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 1: company that I was doing the show with that they 48 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: had stolen allegedly someone's show from Married to Medicine. Now, 49 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: one of the publications was calling recently and saying, well, 50 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: that's hypocritical. That was two years ago, that lawsuit. Okay, 51 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: I didn't know about it. 52 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 2: Two years ago. 53 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: I wasn't following the improper practices within the world of 54 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: reality TV and the behind the scenes underbelly. I do 55 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: have another life, another job, I have a daughter, so 56 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: I did not know about that. I was already feeling hesitation, 57 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: not because of Bravo. I didn't know any of this. 58 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: I was already feeling hesitation about doing this show because 59 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: A I want content to the people. I want to 60 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: be on platforms where I can control when it goes 61 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: up and what goes out, not having to have a 62 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: bay of editors control my content. It takes a week 63 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: to film the Housewives episode, and you only get an 64 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: hour of footage, which is that's where all the juicy 65 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: other things that aren't shown live on the cutting room floor. 66 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: So I wanted content to the people. It's where I'm 67 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: moving with social media. It's very obvious. Everyone was like, oh, TikTok, 68 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 1: she's starting a beauty line that was false. Didn't happen Instagram, 69 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: none of this. I just wanted content to the people 70 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: the way that I want it. So I was having 71 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: that thought, and then I just got a shady sense 72 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: of the partners I was working with the way that 73 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: they were working, and I had a weird feeling that 74 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: they kind of were withholding some information about the show 75 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: and wanted to put language in that created loopholes so 76 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: they could then do the show with or without me, 77 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: even though it was my concept and I had spoken 78 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: to Andy about it. So I just felt a little sketch. 79 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 1: It wasn't a big deal. So I walked away from 80 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: that deal. And now that's because the Bravo machine is 81 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: hard at work, because they are being pummeled and the 82 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 1: best is yet to come, Like they have only just 83 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: begun to feel the wrath that's coming down on them 84 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: because they this Pandora's box that yes, I opened by 85 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: saying something, but I did not expect the half of this. 86 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: I didn't experience a lot of that treatment myself. But 87 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: I understand it, and I know that I've kind of 88 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: ignored hearing different people's stories in the past because it 89 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: wasn't about me. And I now hear a lot of 90 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: people on the different shows doing that as well, ignoring 91 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 1: because it's not about them, and they're making money on 92 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: this platform. 93 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 2: And I get it. I get it. 94 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: You're on Beverly Hills, you're on Vanderpump, you're not talking. 95 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: You're making money right now in a strike environment. 96 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 2: I get it. 97 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: So one of the outlets was saying Bethany shouldn't be 98 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 1: leading this charge because it's hypocritical of her because she 99 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: was going to be in business with Bravo. 100 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 2: I'm not in a charge against Bravo. 101 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: It's against an entire industry where people need to be unionized. 102 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: Because it's so cheap to make the shows. That's gonna 103 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: age like milk. Yes, it's so cheap to make the shows, 104 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: but the money that the shows generate is as much 105 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: as network television. So do the math. If it's cheap 106 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: to make the shows and the shows are getting millions 107 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: of views and millions of dollars in advertising. 108 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 2: Who's getting fucked? 109 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 1: I guarantee it's not least a vander Pump and Alex 110 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: Baskin who owns Evolution Media. 111 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 2: And it will come out. I'm sure. 112 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: I'm putting it out there that I worked with Mark 113 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: Burnett and they bought Evolution Media, and Evolution worked on 114 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: The Big Shot and I loved the show, and the 115 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: show went well, and it was really like a tight production, 116 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: and it was a big production. But you can ask 117 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: anybody on the crew if this happened or not. The 118 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: first night was on election Day and it was freezing. 119 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: It was unseasonably cold, and it was my birthday. I 120 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: think it was my birthday. It was right about my birthday, 121 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: right around my birthday, and it was election Day and 122 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: it was unseasonably cold, and we were in Connecticut at 123 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 1: my house. I hadn't spent a night at my house yet. 124 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: And I walked into the house because I had just 125 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 1: bought it, and there were had to be one hundred 126 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: people in the house, one hundred people, like rings of 127 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: coffee on the countertop, like it was a disaster. It 128 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: was such a horrible mess. I was getting such anxiety 129 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: about a mess. And there were all these contestants that 130 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: were there before we picked the first group, and they 131 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: all came in I think on buses or cars, and 132 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: they had been staying at a hotel for a long time, 133 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: way longer than they were supposed to be and they 134 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: had to stay in a hotel for not only quarantining, 135 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: because of COVID, and it was the worse time to 136 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: do a show. And I kept feeling terrible that they 137 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: were It was around Thanksgiving. I think they had to 138 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: be in that room, I felt. I kept saying, like, 139 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: this is not it's not a good situation. And we 140 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: were in my house and they were all downstairs. I 141 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: wasn't with them, but it was freezing, and they wanted 142 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: us to get this whole shoot of this first episode 143 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: done in one day, and it was now getting to 144 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: be like one o'clock in the morning, two o'clock in 145 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: the morning, and I said to the EP, the EP 146 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: and some working under her. Many people ended up quitting, 147 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: by the way, the sound girl quit after this day. 148 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: And I said, is this legal? Because people were there 149 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: till like two o'clock in the morning and it was freezing, 150 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: and I was frozen solid, and I had been there 151 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: all day, but they had been there I think even longer, 152 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: or maybe they came in the buses, but I can't. 153 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: And and the EP said to me, it's not legal, 154 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: but it's not right. 155 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 2: It's not right. 156 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: And I understood why the producers wanted to keep it going, 157 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: and maybe even the cast would have understood because they 158 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: had to get the shot from the first day. They 159 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: only had this location this one day because of budgets 160 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 1: or whatever reason. They were only going to be here 161 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: at this house, taking everyone out to Connecticut on this 162 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: one day, so they felt like they had to get 163 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,599 Speaker 1: it in. But it just felt like this is not appropriate. 164 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 1: But there was nobody to say it wasn't appropriate. There 165 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: was no master, there's no governor, there's no HR, there's 166 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: no union representative. So I know that, and my name 167 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: is on that product, and everybody knew that it was 168 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: fucked up. And the next time we shot, we were 169 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: in the office that the show had sort of rented 170 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: out for us, and I did a speech to everybody 171 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: and said that will never happen again, Like that does 172 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: not reflect you know, what this show is. 173 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 2: So I just want to mention. 174 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 1: That there needs to be a controlled environment, There needs 175 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: to be guardrails. So about the interview, A lot of 176 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: people just don't care for Rachel and don't believe her 177 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: and her team Ariana because she got cheated on which 178 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: I get. I could reiterate a thousand times that it 179 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: was pushed through the pr machine and this particular incident 180 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,599 Speaker 1: triggered people more and everybody did make a lot of 181 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 1: money and Rachel did not. And the number out there 182 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 1: saying that she made several hundred thousand dollars for the 183 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,719 Speaker 1: season and is false, completely false. And also think about this, 184 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: It's been said publicly by the producer of the show 185 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: that they were going to cancel the show and Sandal 186 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: Scandival saved it, So you don't have a new character. 187 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 1: She's been on two seasons of reality TV. This is 188 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 1: her third season as a full time person coming in 189 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: to make three hundred and sixty thousand dollars. She hasn't 190 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: been there for ten years, and they wouldn't give her 191 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty thousand dollars on a failing show 192 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 1: that's going off the air for a third season. It 193 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 1: just wouldn't happen. So that's completely false. And people are saying, Oh, 194 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 1: I should be paying her, like they're trying to say 195 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: that I'm exploiting her for ratings. 196 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 2: That's to live on the rest of her life. Just 197 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 2: so you know whether I paid her or not. How 198 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 2: do you know what I did? How do you know 199 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 2: what I'm doing with her? Nobody knows what I'm really doing. 200 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: But I love the speculation and the thing that people 201 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: don't realize, particularly on TikTok, but definitely social media in general. 202 00:10:58,320 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: Bring it on. 203 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 2: I love it number one worldwide. 204 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: For having a conversation with a woman who hasn't been 205 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: able to get a conversation out unedited, and everyone thinks 206 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: that they saw everything on this television show. I worked 207 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: in reality TV for fifteen years on every type of 208 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: show from The Apprentice to the Skating with the Stars 209 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: to the Big Shot. I've worked on talk shows. I've 210 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: worked in every area of this business. It takes a 211 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 1: week to film a one hour episode on the Housewives, 212 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: So what the hell do you think is on that 213 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: cutting room floor? 214 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 2: Just nothing? 215 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: Just eating cupcakes, like taking baths, or do you think 216 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: there's actual shit there? Because I can tell you that 217 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: when I was in Scary Island, with Kelly. The cast 218 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 1: were the cast were the ones who shut down the 219 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: situation with Kelly. We were the ones who realized that 220 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: she seemed like she was going through something, an emotional 221 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,719 Speaker 1: breakdown of some sort, and particularly Sonya was like, now 222 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 1: we have to stop, and we all got it. We 223 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: did stop, and she was escorted home the next day. 224 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: With all due respect to her, she was escorted home 225 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: the next day. A producer that does not fly first 226 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: class was seated on the plane next to her first class. 227 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 1: I remember them telling me, Wow, I've even flew first class. 228 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: They wanted me to travel with her and the entire 229 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: cast because I remember us filming. After thought, there's no 230 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: way she's coming back, like she just had some sort 231 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: of an emotional break. And the show can do that 232 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: to you. The pressure, the editing, the alcohol, the interviews, 233 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: just all of it. And even if you act that 234 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: way and then other people see you as that way, 235 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: and then you see yourself, you see yourself differently in 236 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: the edit, it's still part of it. So we all 237 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: were the ones who were like, Okay, it's enough, like 238 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: let's stop. And then later the camera stopped, but they 239 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: had her filming again days later. We all were shocked. 240 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 1: We thought she was going away somewhere, but not for 241 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: the show. They want to capture that, so they want 242 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: to get it all, but a lot of it ends 243 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: up on the floor, and they want to ride the 244 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: line with the can. They want to ride the line 245 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: with airing what they can air without getting sued without 246 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: it looking like it's fully illegal. And so I just 247 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: want to say to you, if it takes a week 248 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: to film a show that's going to fill forty something 249 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: minutes of airtime, what do you think you don't see? 250 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 2: It's a lot. 251 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: So no one's an expert on what really happened behind 252 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: the scenes of this affair. But the man who cheated 253 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: on his girlfriend of ten years is living with her now, 254 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: so she's at least forgiven him enough to live together. 255 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: But the girl that was friends with her on the show, 256 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 1: who's apologetic and who did fuck up, it seems, was 257 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: emotionally abused at this reunion. She had sex multiple times 258 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: for many months with a man with a girlfriend who 259 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: he's now living with, who have been on a reality 260 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: show together for that entire time, who are profiting from 261 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: the scandal individually and together, who have businesses that profit 262 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,199 Speaker 1: off the show that profited off the scandal. Who get 263 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: to be on television another season on a show that 264 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 1: was getting canceled because of the scandal. And the girl, 265 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 1: one of the people, is not compensated and she's you 266 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: could hate her or lover. There's a villain. You needed 267 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: a villain, and she's the villain. So she's allowed to 268 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: talk and have a voice. And it's been insane. And 269 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: watch out the Bravo pr Machine numbers. They're throwing out 270 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: several hundred thousand dollars, which is not true anyway. They're 271 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: trying to throw out numbers and clump together everything she's 272 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: ever made on vander Propert rules not this season. And 273 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: Lisa vander Pump and Alex Baskin coming out and commenting 274 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: on what she's making. They're just trying to protect the realm. 275 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: They have to protect the realm. 276 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 2: This is massive. 277 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: Bravo's never had a hit like this ever in its history. 278 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: So what would you do if you had the biggest 279 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: hit of your life. You would have to prote the 280 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: realm at any cost. It's the number one most important 281 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: thing to Bravo, to Lisa vander Pump, to Evolution, to MGM, 282 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: on top of evolution to Alex Baskin, to Tom to Ariana. 283 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: And here's one thing no one's talking about. Rachel left 284 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: the show. She could have gone back, She could have 285 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: gone back and made money. She took a stance, So 286 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: I would like to know what everyone would like her 287 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: to do. So, of course, it's such a big thing 288 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: that everyone's talking about because everyone is perfect and no 289 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: one's ever made mistakes, especially in their twenties. Has anyone 290 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: ever made a mistake in their twenties that they regret? 291 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: Oh wait a second, what about if you guys are 292 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: drinking and maybe doing drugs and like out late at 293 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: night at nightclubs? 294 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 2: Oh what if you guys work at a nightclub. What 295 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 2: if you're out late. 296 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: At night listening to bands and music and there are 297 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of other twenty and thirty year olds around 298 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: also drinking and listening to bands and music in La 299 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: you know, a very fast town of like broken dreams. 300 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: I think it's shocking that before Rachel, there's never been 301 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: a woman who's had an affair or made a mistake. So, yeah, 302 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: I was perfect in my twenties. Everything I ever did 303 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: in my twenties was perfect. I've never been cheated on. 304 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: It'd never cheated because I've never heard of that happening before. 305 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 2: It's very strange. 306 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: And also imagine if like you could get paid for that, 307 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: you get paid after having an affair, and like the 308 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: business thrives and succeeds and goes through the roof. 309 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 2: That's amazing. Wow, what a model. 310 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, and what about if the people who 311 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: own the bars that the people get drunk in and 312 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: have affairs in and around also make money not only 313 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: on the restaurant and bars, but they kick it up 314 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: to the top to Bravo and NBCUniversal, who also gets 315 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: to profit on it. So they're profiting on a scandal, 316 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: cheating bars and ratings and advertisers, all on a show 317 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: that takes like over a week to shoot, but you 318 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: only get to see an hour. But I'm sure everything 319 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: that's not in that hour is really boring. I'm sure 320 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: nothing happens because nothing happens at all after midnight, you 321 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's really a boring time when 322 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: you're wasted two in the morning. I'm sure there's. 323 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 2: Nothing to film. 324 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: They should be filming like in the morning, like meditation 325 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: practice or like a yoga retreat. 326 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 2: That's what it is. 327 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: Like, maybe that would be more interesting television, and Bravo 328 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: should do that. They should do a show called Meditation 329 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: Nation with a bunch of young people that don't drink, 330 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 1: don't have affairs, everyone's best friends. There's no conflict, no restaurants, 331 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 1: no advertisers, and it's just really about self help, reflection 332 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 1: and meditation. 333 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 2: That's kind of. 334 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: Would be a really that's maybe a good show for them, 335 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: and then everyone will love Rachel because she'll just be meditating, 336 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: no mistakes the media or the media. Yes, that I 337 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: shouldn't be leading this charge, Okay, that I shouldn't leave 338 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: the charge against Bravo. Okay, great, someone like to nominate 339 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: themselves because I'm send an edit arrangement over momentarily. I'd 340 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: love for someone to nominate themselves. Does anyone think I 341 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: like thought a couple weeks ago, I'd like, wake up, like, hmm, 342 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: let me fucking start a ship storm, make tons of enemies, 343 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: burn bridges that I didn't need to burn, and be 344 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: the leader of a charge, like having meetings that I 345 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: don't need to have, like having meetings with SAG and 346 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: AFTRA and with lawyers and with you know, all these 347 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: different people like I could be surfing. So if somebody 348 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: else wants to leave the charge, have at it. And 349 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: the best part about this whole thing is I don't 350 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: give a shit, Like I don't care what people think. 351 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: That's what's funny. I look through social media and get 352 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: dragged and trolled, and I like it means you're engage, 353 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: You're so bothered, you're so triggered. 354 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 2: Keep it up. 355 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: Like hate sites about me, hate blogs. People their entire day, 356 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: their entire lives are spent like putting little fuzzy microphones 357 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: in front of their mouth to like talk about me. 358 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 2: Go keep going. 359 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: I don't need a publicist anymore. I've got all these 360 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: hate sites. Keep going, keep going, baby. I like it. 361 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: So people have a hard time with that, because then 362 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: where are're gonna go? 363 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 2: I don't give a shit. It's engagement. Congrats. 364 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: I get some questions about Nini in the beginning of 365 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 1: this about that she she says I can say things 366 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 1: she can't say. 367 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 2: I know what to say and what not to say. 368 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 2: I like Nini. 369 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: Nini has talked before about unfair practices. The difference is 370 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: that Nini's talked about herself, how she herself has been 371 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: wronged and she's sued for compensation and settled for herself. 372 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: So that's the difference. I haven't gone and said like here, 373 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 1: I want compensation for anything, and this is what happened 374 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: to me. So my my charge, as page six calls it, 375 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: is about the entire industry and really other people and myself. 376 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: But since I'm not going back to network TV and streaming, 377 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter to me. You can watch my 378 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: YouTube series and get everything you know that I'm doing 379 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: because I don't want to be on. 380 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 2: Normal network TV. 381 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: But uh, and the reason I didn't want to go 382 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: back to traditional cable TV is the numbers don't lie. 383 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: On my podcast and on my YouTube series, I get 384 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: the same, if not more views than the Real Housewives 385 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: reboot gets. They get like a couple of hundred thousand, 386 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: like four hundred thousand viewers for a multi million dollar 387 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: budget project like so unwieldy, so bulky. I'd rather just 388 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: video something in the moment and throw it up on 389 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: YouTube content to the people. So I'm not interested in 390 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: that unwieldy, bulky model with like a bunch of executives 391 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: in a conference room and pitching them something that they 392 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: won't understand and editors and glossy magazines and budgets. I 393 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: would rather just get the content up. Also, I was 394 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 1: part of this machine, like the cheerleader for this machine. 395 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: I've said things to people that I will always regret. 396 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 1: But we're the soldiers. We're not the ones in charge that, frankly, 397 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 1: should instill better workplace practices. Gretchen ROSSI was at Tamram 398 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: I think Tamra's house, and Vicky and Tamers said they 399 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: were gonna get her naked wasted. They kept giving her drinks, 400 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: and then in another room, Tamer's son you heard like 401 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: forcing himself on her. And I didn't see like a 402 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: camera person go in and open up the door and 403 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 1: be like get off her. It goes as far as 404 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: it can go, but someone might have psychological damage from that. 405 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a woman who had a man naked 406 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: climb on top of her on below deck, and the 407 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: captain who came down and threw him off the boat 408 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,439 Speaker 1: is getting, you know, praised, and that's great for him, 409 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 1: But what about the camera people and somebody else in 410 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 1: video village, which is a room where there's a group 411 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: of people watching a small screen. What about someone in 412 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: there being like, oh my god, there's a fucking naked 413 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: guy in going into her room. But no, because it's 414 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: good for the show to hear Gretchen having someone force 415 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: themselves on her while she's blackout, wasted and could make 416 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: really bad decisions. Who's there to say, like stop, Who's 417 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: there to say, let's stop with this Kelly thing. We 418 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: sent her home, but she shouldn't be filming anymore. It's 419 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: at the very least it's emotionally not the right place 420 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: for her. But no, because it's about ratings and about money. 421 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: You know, I was breaking down after Dennis died and 422 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: you had to come back and film, and I was 423 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: in Florida and I was cracking. 424 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 2: But no, that's good. 425 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: Having a nervous breakdown and cracking is good. I was 426 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: the one, and I have all the receipts who called 427 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: Bravo and said to pay for Luanne to go to 428 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: rehab because and to pay her for the reunion that 429 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: she was missing, because if they didn't, she would have 430 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: come to the reunion and been like a mess. 431 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 2: But that would have been great for them. 432 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: And I said to him, I wasn't showing up if 433 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: they didn't do that, and it doesn't matter that she 434 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 1: hates me and that she's making money off Bravo now 435 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: and doing her show. It's fine, and did Ultimate Girlship, 436 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: It's fine. But the truth is they wanted her to 437 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: exploit herself on the reunion and I had power then, 438 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: so I said, and you can ask Barbara, and you 439 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 1: can ask her good friend, Anne Leuen's good friend Ann, Barbara, 440 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: myself and Anne who arranged everything from the intervention to 441 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: me getting the lawyers to saving Luanne from spending seven 442 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: million dollars in a house, And you can ask the 443 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: two of them. If I didn't do that, if I 444 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: didn't call Bravo and say I'm not going to go, 445 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: and she has to be paid for the reunion and 446 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: for rehab, and that year I was there was a 447 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: firing squad against me and I and she would have 448 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: been one of my only allies. And I still said 449 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: to do it because it was a difference between right 450 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: and wrong. 451 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 2: So that happened. 452 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: So to close out on Rachel, she's a person, she 453 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 1: has an opinion, she has a voice, she has a story. 454 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: You don't have to like it, you don't have to 455 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: believe it, you don't even have to listen into it. 456 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: But to abuse someone who did something that so many 457 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: other people have done, To abuse someone did anyone ever 458 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: hear the very basic saying to err is human, to 459 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: forgive is divine. 460 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 2: She made a mistake.