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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, Emily Abadi here. You are listening to another

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Speaker 2: installment of Hurdle Moment from Hurdle, a wellness focused podcast.

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Speaker 2: Reconnect with everyone from your favorite athletes to top experts

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Speaker 2: We are chatting all about inflammation. Andrea gives us the

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Speaker 2: lowdown on exactly what it is, what causes it, beyond

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Speaker 1: Today.

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Speaker 2: I am sitting down with Andrea and Nakayama. She is

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Speaker 2: How are you doing today?

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Speaker 1: Great? Thanks for having me Emily.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Cliff note, version passion for nutrition was really catapulted

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I love that whole premise of functional medicine

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Speaker 2: So, as a provider, then when someone comes to you

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Speaker 2: and says, what should I do now that I am here?

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Speaker 2: Maybe they have done those first two steps and now

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Speaker 2: they're on step three.

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Speaker 1: What's the approach? Yeah, So in our clinic at the

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Speaker 1: we really do honor the person's story. I like to

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Speaker 1: think about it as everything is connected in the body,

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Speaker 1: we are all unique and all things matter. So we're

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Speaker 1: doing a very full assessment before we make any recommendations.

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Speaker 1: And I am a stand for not making recommendations that

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Speaker 1: are not true for the individual. So there's a lot

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Speaker 1: we have to take into consideration, including their history in

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Speaker 1: terms of adverse childhood experiences or adult experiences, their relationship

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Speaker 1: with body, their relationship with food before we're making recommendations

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Speaker 1: in addition to looking at their labs and understanding what's

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Speaker 1: happening physiologically. So every single person is different based on

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Speaker 1: so many factors, and we're gonna dive in and make

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Speaker 1: address while we're moving forward. And in I should say,

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Speaker 1: in addition to making sure they have other providers on

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Speaker 1: their team if that needs to be a mental health

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Speaker 1: practitioner to address some trauma, or a medical provider who

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Speaker 1: could be doing further testing or prescribing if needed, We're

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Speaker 1: going to kind of sit with them in the entirety

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Speaker 1: of the case so that we can see it fully.

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Speaker 1: As opposed to saying, hey, get off of glutenbery and

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Speaker 1: sugar and all will be okay. That could be very

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Speaker 1: triggering for some folks and they probably have done it

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Speaker 1: and have histories with it, and so that understanding for us.

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Speaker 1: I would say, I know it's not the answer we

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Speaker 1: often want, but I think when people feel heard and

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Speaker 1: partnered with, it's such a relief to move forward because

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Speaker 1: so many of us have not had that experience in

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Speaker 1: our healthcare.

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Speaker 2: Definitely, And you know, I appreciate the take on this,

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Speaker 2: which is everyone is different, and I can offer you

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Speaker 2: some loose guidance, but I'm not going to sit here

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Speaker 2: and lay out a plan that every single person can follow.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't work that way. As a functional nutritionist, I

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Speaker 2: do feel compelled having been a victim, and also on

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Speaker 2: the editorial side, so many times when individuals are like, well,

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Speaker 2: what should I do for inflammation? What should I eat

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Speaker 2: for inflammation? I know there's no one size fits all

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Speaker 2: answer to this, but is there anything that we should

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Speaker 2: be wary of or perhaps cautious of while moving forward

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Speaker 2: with our diet in an inflammatory state?

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Speaker 1: Yes, there are foods that are more inflammatory than others,

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Speaker 1: and there are food categories that are more inflammatory than others.

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Speaker 1: So for each of us as individuals, there are going

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Speaker 1: to be some distinctions. However, there are categories like sugar,

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Speaker 1: refined sugar that can be very inflammatory and also impact

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Speaker 1: of the immune system's ability to do its jobs. So

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Speaker 1: white blood cells do get suppressed in the presence of

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Speaker 1: refined sugar. So I like to help people find other

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Speaker 1: ways to get their sweet tooth filled because we need

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Speaker 1: that joy, and we need sweetness in our lives. But

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Speaker 1: looking at refined sugar and processed foods and even alcohol

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Speaker 1: in relation to our symptoms is helpful because of the

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Speaker 1: body's response both from an immune function and a hormonal function,

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Speaker 1: and really starting to make those connections between how we feel.

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Speaker 1: I could go further with other inflammatory food categories, but

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Speaker 1: it does get tricky into the recommendation area where I

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Speaker 1: think people either get hyper vigilant or shut down because

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Speaker 1: you just don't want to hear it anymore and it

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Speaker 1: didn't work for you. But it can. It just needs

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Speaker 1: to be with the right support and understanding.

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Speaker 2: Right right, So instead of immediately jumping in and I

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Speaker 2: love that your takeaway from the concept of that these

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Speaker 2: sugars can be inflammatory is not well get rid of

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Speaker 2: every ounce of sugar in your life, because we know

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Speaker 2: that that's not realistic for many.

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Speaker 1: So how can.

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Speaker 2: We integrate the things that bring us joy in a

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Speaker 2: way that's responsible and then in turn can help us

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Speaker 2: feel better in our bodies. That is what I am

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Speaker 2: all about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so many more options these days than when

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Speaker 1: I started in practice and had to make everything by hand.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm in Portland, Oregon, and I got an

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Speaker 1: ice cream sandwich at the grocery store that's made like

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Speaker 1: in small batches, from a women owned company in San

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Speaker 1: Francisco that had no refined sugar at all. It was

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Speaker 1: coconut sugar and some maple syrup. And like, how delightful

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Speaker 1: to be able to enjoy an ice cream sandwich on

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Speaker 1: my porch, but know that I'm not going to wake

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Speaker 1: up with my swollen eyes the next day.

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Speaker 2: We love it. We love avoiding swollen eyes whenever possible.

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Speaker 1: Is there anything.

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Speaker 2: Else that we should add to this topic of inflammation

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Speaker 2: before we start to wind things down here?

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Speaker 1: I think it's just that notion that we can calm

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Speaker 1: the entire system through our ability to come into the parasympathetic,

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Speaker 1: the rest and digest, and to recognize, especially women, especially,

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Speaker 1: you know, people who are driven, that we're often in

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Speaker 1: a sympathetic driven state, and that that is not supporting

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Speaker 1: our immune system or our inflammatory response as well. So

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Speaker 1: an invitation to rest and digest we love that.

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Speaker 2: We love an invitation to rest and digest and articulating

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Speaker 2: for yourself what that looks like, what our habits or

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Speaker 2: practices in your regular routine that don't need to take

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Speaker 2: up a ton of time, but that can help you

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Speaker 2: come back to center so that you can show up

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Speaker 2: not only be a better you, but then your body

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Speaker 2: you can also be a better body. I am so

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Speaker 2: excited that we were able to do this. Andrea, thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for making the time. How do the

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Speaker 2: hurdlers follow along with you? How do they keep up

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Speaker 2: with you? Give us your details?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for asking. You can always find me

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Speaker 1: at Andria Nakayama dot com. That's a lot of a's

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Speaker 1: and that'll lead you to the Functional Nutrition Alliance, the training,

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Speaker 1: the blog, also my podcast, so everything can be found

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Speaker 1: there in addition to any work that I'm doing to

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Speaker 1: further support patients.

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Speaker 2: Perfect I'm over at Emily a Body and at Hurdle

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Speaker 2: Podcast Another hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time.

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