1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: M. Welcome to another edition of the Around the League Podcast. 2 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: My name is Dan Handas and I'm joined by Greg 3 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: Rosenthal and Mark Sessler. Colleagues. You'll notice that we didn't 4 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: call it the A t L Debate Club because sadly 5 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: it is no more. You called it another edition of 6 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: the Around the League Podcast, but technically this would be 7 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 1: the first edition of the Around the League Podcast, even 8 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: though it's really not much different than the A t 9 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: L Debate Club. Well, why don't you explain why we've 10 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: even gone down this road? Uh No, this was a 11 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: decision that was made where we have a brand new 12 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: uh schedule for the show, which is actually really exciting. Greg, 13 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: you want to lay it out, is the fearless leader 14 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: of a t L. Yeah, we're gonna do three days 15 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: a week here. We're gonna be talking new. It's not 16 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: just one day a week tacked onto damnage like some 17 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: little you know, ugly step sister. We're gonna have our 18 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: own iTunes you know, to subscribe to. That's gonna be 19 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: up hopefully by the time you hear this. Definitely soon, 20 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: uh Monday, Wednesday Friday in training camp starting with this show, 21 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: So we'll be back on Friday. It will be a 22 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: rotating cast with the three of us. Chris Westling, who's 23 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 1: on vacation right now, will also be joining in very often, 24 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: and hopefully we can get it even more than three 25 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: days a week once we get to the season. So 26 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: if you guys listen and subscribe and tell the people, 27 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: then then maybe we can do it five days a week. 28 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: This kind of feels like to me in Wayne's World, 29 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: when Noah's Arcade came came on board and it made 30 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: you know, changed it to a more corporate type of show. 31 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: I don't know, Mark, what do you what do you 32 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: feel about this? Well? I don't know. The only thing 33 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: I would have some issue with is that calling us 34 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: a the redheaded step child. It was ugly step because 35 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: we worked with, you know, a string of you know, 36 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: high level corporate types to approve the name Debate Club. 37 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: There was no debate, well, there was some debate. I 38 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: think there was one show when we debated. I think 39 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: because Dan and I are you know, our our friendship 40 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: as co host screw to the point where I couldn't 41 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 1: disagree with anything he said. It reminds me too much 42 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: of Skip Bayliss, So no more. It plus It reminds 43 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: me of being I was actually in a debate club 44 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: when I was I can't believe you're mentioning this again. This, Yeah, 45 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: I gotta forget about it, but I'm excited around the 46 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,839 Speaker 1: League podcast. I mean, you guys did a great job 47 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: building up the Debate Club. You've built up a big 48 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,679 Speaker 1: group of loyal listeners. So hopefully you guys will come 49 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: with us most in Australia, mostly in Australian outside America. Well, 50 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: let's be honest, not that big, but hopefully, uh, hopefully 51 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 1: they come with us and we grow this thing. Yes, 52 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: it's very exciting, and we're gonna be on iTunes and 53 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: that's a big deal too. So all the people that 54 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 1: have been tweeting us asking how to find the show, 55 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: it's about to get a lot more except sable. So 56 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: that's good. When when I moved out here, I think 57 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: it was they just heard this sort of whiny voice 58 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: with a lisp, and they said, we got to get 59 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: that on more off, you know what I mean, a 60 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: little effeminate, like let's let's let's jump on that taste makers. 61 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: They know what people are a trio that knows how 62 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: to sell ourselves. Yes, so we should talk about some 63 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 1: NFL now, now the housekeeping has done, what is the 64 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: big story today has to be Bill Belichick. Right, What 65 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: an image that was on NFL network today when Belichick 66 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: was talking about Aaron Hernandez, and you don't really see 67 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: him in this mode, I think, being a little vulnerable, 68 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: being a little apologetic, being more open. Granted, he was 69 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: reading from a statement and and he's talking about Aaron 70 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: Hernandez and what happened. And then all of a sudden 71 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: there's a split screen on on the show and Aaron 72 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: Hernandez is walking into the courtroom and he's being tried 73 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: for murder. And it was kind of a procedural day 74 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: in the courtroom and there's Belichick on one side, we're 75 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: listening to him, there's Hernandez on the other. And you know, 76 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: as as a Patriots fan, I mean, you could have 77 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: never seen this coming. It was just it was just 78 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: one of those moments in the NFL we cover the 79 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: business that I know I'll remember, I'll remember that five 80 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: years from now, ten years from now. And I think, 81 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: like with Belichick especially, he's so you know, celebrated as 82 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: this guy, the stoic guy. That is a few words 83 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: and would take the most emotional situation and boil it 84 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: down to nuts and bolts and leave everyone searching for 85 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: a quote to put into a story. But he really 86 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: showed his humanity today. And you know, I think when 87 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: I remember back to like the Football Life special on him, 88 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: you did see behind the veil a little bit how 89 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: he really cares about his players, and there's relationships there, 90 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: like I've thinking of when Randy Moss sat in his 91 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: office trying to convince him to have a Halloween party. 92 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: There is other side to Belichick that came through today. 93 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: It was pretty rare to see that in the press conference. Yeah. 94 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: I kind of thought heading into today that he would 95 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: be dismissive of it, maybe address it with one line 96 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: and then give a lot of non answers. But as 97 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: you started talking, he began to realize that he actually 98 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: had to address this head on, and he did. It 99 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 1: was a prepared statement, and then he went much more 100 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: the Bill Belichick. We know when they opened it up 101 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: two questions, every question he he answered saying he can't 102 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: get into it or he was told not to get 103 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: into it. But on balance, I thought, you know, he 104 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,919 Speaker 1: gave people some insights where what he was thinking, and 105 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: you don't get that usually from Belchick. But even then 106 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: when they asked kind of a question that wasn't specifically 107 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: about her Nandez, he he did talk. And one thing 108 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: that stuck with me when he was just saying that, look, 109 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: this is real life. You know, this isn't about football. 110 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: I can't think of anything that would be more you know, 111 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: serious than this. And you saw a guy that is 112 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: so in his football cocoon that he did seem a 113 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: little shaken out of that. He he understood the gravity 114 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 1: of the situation, and Dan hit the nail on the 115 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: head with I think the expectation was he wasn't gonna 116 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: say anything. So maybe we're just so trained by him 117 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: not saying anything that this was a surprise. But but 118 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 1: he did a good job with that. Well. Yeah, And 119 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: dead Spin had a pretty good post today where they 120 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: collected all the sportswriters that tweeted breathlessly about what a 121 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: beautiful job by Belichick. But it really wasn't a beautiful job. 122 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: He did what any other coach would do. But we're 123 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,239 Speaker 1: just so used to Belichick not really treating the press 124 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: all that well that this seemed like some type of revelation. 125 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: But he's also he's also Belichick, So I don't know 126 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: if Pat Shermer is going out there and talking like this. 127 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: When Belichick wants to be smart and funny and incisive, 128 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: he can be. He sometimes like that about football, this 129 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: time about something else. Well, do you think they're gonna 130 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: I will go out of the way to never address 131 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: this situation again publicly if they can. Yeah, they're having 132 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: the captain speak, and after that, I think they're gonna 133 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: have the captain to address it in some way, and 134 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: then after that they're just gonna turn the page. I mean, 135 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: he already basically said I've been advised to just talk 136 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: about it once and he's not gonna You're not gonna 137 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: get this Belichick again next time, right, And I think 138 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: Brady and the rest of the captains are gonna be 139 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: pretty tight lipped about it. There will be will be 140 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: no statement from Brady or anything like that. Well, we 141 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: did see Brady talked to Peter King about it basically, 142 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: and he he was so typical Brady, I thought, in 143 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: such a constructed quote where he didn't even use her 144 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: nana's his name. He basically talked about Listen, I am 145 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: here for my teammates. The guys that are here con 146 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: you know, focused on winning football games, and we're only 147 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: focused on that. That I thought was even more, much 148 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: more robotic than Belichick's response. It was behind closed doors, though, 149 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: But so the other the other big news today Von Miller, 150 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: who we learned was facing a four game suspension. He 151 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: spoke to the media today, Mark, what do you see 152 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: what's going on right now with Miller? In your mind? Well, 153 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: I think that's another situation where he chose to really 154 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: not avoid the time. He couldn't talk about the topic 155 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: with any sort of detail. There's an appeal coming up, 156 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: and I thought I was a bit surprised on his response. 157 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,239 Speaker 1: Someone said, do you feel like you've let your teammates down? 158 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: And he said, no, I don't. And you know, I 159 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: guess we have to see how this shakes out. But 160 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: I mean that defense will not be the same on 161 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: any level if he if he if this carries through 162 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: and he has this four game band. I thought it 163 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: was interesting when it first when we first learned of it, 164 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: and that was Monday. I guess that the NFL p 165 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: A came out quickly with a statement kind of backing 166 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: Miller and saying that, you know, basically saying some things 167 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: are not right about this situation. So I expect, you know, 168 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: a pretty big fight to protect this guy from a 169 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: four game of suspension. And our guy, Ian Rappaport reported 170 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: the appeal is expected in mid August, so we should 171 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: know before the season whether he's going to be suspended. 172 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 1: And you know, Josh Gordon is an example this year 173 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: of a guy we didn't know he was appealing, but 174 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: essentially he got his suspension reduced. So it might not 175 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: be four games. I'd be surprised if it was nothing. 176 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: But you know, there's a lot we don't know about 177 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: this situation. And the funny thing about the Broncos is 178 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: they you know, there were it was almost like on 179 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: a picture is throwing a perfect game and then someone 180 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: of the dugout speaks to him. People were so high, 181 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: and then when they signed Welker and there were stories 182 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 1: about how the Broncos were on an unprecedented winning streak, 183 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: and then almost immediately from that point forward, things started 184 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: going bad. And this is now the latest and really 185 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: greatest setback for them that they have to put up 186 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 1: with if they're going to get back to the playoffs. 187 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I do think it's such a long season 188 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: that some of these You remember when Big Ben got 189 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: knocked out for four games for his penalization, it was like, listen, 190 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: the Steelers are gonna suffer. They come out of that 191 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 1: three and one I think it was, and they wound 192 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: up fine. They end up going to the super Bowl 193 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: that season. You're right, it might be the difference between 194 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: the one seed and the two seed or something like that, 195 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: or it might be nothing. But Dan I think is 196 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: right that. Look, they should have had Elvis Doomerville and 197 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: Von Miller and now they're gonna have Sean Phillips and 198 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: Robert Airs. And the Doomerville thing is kind of lost 199 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: because the d u I s are such a serious 200 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: thing and they both got to spend it in the 201 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: front office. And this Von Miller thing is an off 202 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 1: the field. But the Doomerville thing was the biggest mistake 203 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: of the off season, and the Broncos really didn't take 204 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: enough heat for that day. It was all blamed on 205 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 1: the agent, but it's the Bronco's fault just as much. 206 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: I mean, they couldn't have screwed that up more. Well, 207 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: do you think it affects you to say that there's 208 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: the difference between a one and two seed. Do you 209 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: still see them as a one or two seed team. 210 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: I think that's the easiest division in football, so I'd 211 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: be stunned if they didn't win it. So I think 212 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: they have the best chance to get a buy of 213 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: anyone in the a f C. I really do. Uh, 214 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: whether it's the one or the two seed, I'd give 215 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: them a better chance than anyone. Okay, So for the 216 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: past three weeks, we've been going division by division, big 217 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: questions for each team heading into training camp. We have 218 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,719 Speaker 1: now reached the final two divisions, the NFC East and 219 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: the NFC North. So let's start in the East. Greg Rosenthal, 220 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal, what do you see for the Dallas Cowboys. Well, 221 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: the thing I'm looking at is if this defense is 222 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: gonna come through. We've been talking about this defense being 223 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: a potential disaster the whole offseason, since the day they 224 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: got rid of Rob Ryan and they hired Monty Kiffen, 225 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 1: and there's a bunch of changes, and I, you know, 226 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: I talked about it was ridiculous us to bring Jay 227 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: Ratliff back at that money. What happens he gets hurt 228 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: on a conditioning test. A lot of people talked about 229 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: Anthony Spencer. Uh, you know, should you really pay that 230 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: guy as much money to be a franchise tag player? 231 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: He gets hurt on the conditioning test, they lose their 232 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: top backup at defensive end uh for the entire season 233 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: to a torn achilles. That's about as bad first couple 234 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: of days of training camp as you're gonna have. He's 235 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: a Monty Kiffin at age like a hundred and four, 236 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: questioning his decision to join this effort. Well, it's better 237 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 1: than USC, that's fair. Part, Greg, you're off the podcast, 238 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: you're out. I mean, you have to be happy Monty gone. 239 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: But you can't imply that there's a job out there 240 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: that's better than USC on this podcast. I'm not going 241 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: to allow it. I'm sorry. Well, well will will ca 242 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: as you might be able to tell whence it's some 243 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: California college. Uh. He's leaving us anyway soon from what 244 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: I understand, So Alex, just keep it, you know, let's 245 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: keep it to the NFL. I don't care about USC, alright, buddy, 246 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: I don't care, and I don't know if Monty Kivin 247 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 1: cares about football anywhere. I mean, I'm kidding, but let's 248 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: face it. You want coaches on the way up. You 249 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: don't want coaches at the end of their career. Was 250 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: he that good at the end of his run in Tampa? 251 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 1: Not really a very beguiling higher after Jerry Jones said that, 252 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna reboot the machine here, We're gonna 253 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 1: bring energy. And I understand Kiffin's you know, resume is 254 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:22,599 Speaker 1: impressive dating back sometime, but it was not an energizing 255 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 1: move for the Cowboys. And I almost wonder, like between 256 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: Rob Ryan, who's taking over what was the worst defense 257 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: last season in terms of what yardage allowed, and you 258 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: look at the Cowboys situation, which one of these coordinators 259 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: comes out on top of this season? The Cowboys have 260 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: more talent, but there's issues there. And I just said 261 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: to Will that I didn't care about his college. But 262 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: now I'm gonna ask you Will, as a USC fan, 263 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: where you devastated or was the fan base devastated that 264 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 1: Kiffin left the team? No, we were all ecstatic that 265 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 1: he looks exactly was the best thing that happened to 266 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: us all off season. So that seems it just seemed 267 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: like a bit of an odd higher and now he's 268 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: tasked with resurrecting this defense, which was really that bad 269 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: last year is more injury riddled. I mean Rob Bryan 270 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: even said when he was defending himself after being fired 271 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: that he thought he did about as good as you 272 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: can do, considering the issues he was up against. My 273 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: other big takeaway here is I'm not sure Mark knows 274 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: the meaning of the word beguiling. Guiling just throwing that 275 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: out there, No, I do. Well, that will be next 276 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: week's podcast. We're gonna break down be guiling's exact definition. Uh, 277 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 1: the Washington Redskins obviously big stories r G three has 278 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: to be what else is there? I mean that's when 279 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: there's a thousand yards between that and storyline number two? 280 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: What is storyline number two? Alfred Morris? Uh, you know, 281 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: learning how to horseback ride? I mean, what is there 282 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: anything really that where r G three is the big story? 283 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: Today he came out he said that he's probably not 284 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: going to play in the preseason. I mean, he didn't 285 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: come out and say it definitively, but he's not going 286 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: to play in the preseason. But it all seems like 287 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: everything's heading toward Week one for him. Yeah, I mean, 288 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: don't you think that they've if Ey'd weeek one to 289 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: be Why why throw him out there into a preseason game. 290 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: What's the benefit of doing that? Yeah, there is none, 291 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: and you never know. He's not going to be in 292 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: team drills right away. But it seems like they're taking 293 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: the Adrian Peterson, you know, mold from last year. They'll 294 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: be safe for a couple of weeks and he'll be 295 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: out there and he'll be fine. I really don't know 296 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: what number two is. They need a tight end. They 297 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: have about four tight ends that could they could all start. 298 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: Their wide receivers are a little jumbled. But you know, 299 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: I like the Redskins this year. Yeah. I mean the 300 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: other thing with r G three is they pushed it 301 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: in the playoffs in January and he blew out his knee. 302 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: It's totally makes sense that they would now be a 303 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: little extra cautious, if only to protect you know, their 304 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: butts on this. But uh, you know, and as I 305 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: said that, I said, Greg, you have the definition of 306 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: beguiling up on your computer. I did, and then I 307 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: switched it. But yeah, it means to influence by trickery, flattery, mislead. 308 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: I think beguiling I always felt meant like you are confounding. 309 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: You're confusing people with something so tricking to some degree. Yeah, 310 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: not too bad, not too bad. I'll give Mark the 311 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: I like who we're going dictionary dot Com on this podcast. 312 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: We should try will can we try to get dictionary 313 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: dot Com as a sponsor and we could work this 314 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: into every podcast when one of us misuses a word, 315 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: good points, final move on this podcast. Okay, the Giants, 316 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: what do we got Jason Pierre Paul's health. This isn't 317 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: a really intriguing camp, but he's one of the most 318 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: important defensive players I think for his team in the league, 319 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: and we have no idea if he's going to be 320 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: back for week one at out. We really don't know 321 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: after his surgery. Uh, when he's going to be back 322 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: on the field. Now, there was a guy on Giants 323 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: dot Com today I think that said that you know 324 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: he's inside the building, that they feel strongly it will 325 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: be weak one, but there's no surety, and that on 326 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: the other side, Tuck he has shoulder injury essentially has 327 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: never gone away, and he says that that player specifically 328 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: is not going into the season healthy himself with his 329 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: shoulder issues. So weird team mark Mark Kerslick right now 330 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: is they're starting middle linebacker. They're counting on Corey Webster 331 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: to really bounce back in the secondary. There's a lot 332 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: of questions on it. It used to be this team 333 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: was defined by its pass rush, and there's probably more 334 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: questions about the defensive line than anywhere else on that team, 335 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: don't you feel though? It's something about the New York 336 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: Giants Undercauflin. They have a way of kind of patching 337 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: holes up and bringing you know, an average position groups together, 338 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: and then they peek at the right time, Like every 339 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: fourth or fifth season they seem to blow up. Yeah, 340 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: which means this is an off here for that, So 341 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: we've got a couple more years to wait. They're also 342 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: a hard team to figure out because they're coming off 343 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: one of the weirder seasons in recent memory, where they 344 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: were dominating some of the best teams in the league 345 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: and then getting wiped out by teams that were at 346 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: their level and below somehow missed the playoffs. It's really 347 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: hard to tell if they're now going to, you know, 348 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: two years ago Super Bowl. Now, is this a bounce 349 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: back here for them, or are they now gonna, you know, 350 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: be a five hundred team, are they? Like? Where are 351 00:16:58,120 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: the Giants at right now? They're a hard team to 352 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: figure they. The thing about too this struggle is like, 353 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: that's a team that has to deal with the Redskins 354 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: in their offense twice and then they have no idea 355 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: what they're gonna deal with with the with the Eagles. 356 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: That's four games right there where you're not facing orthodox 357 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 1: like offensive attacks. And I thought that the Redskins did 358 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: a nice job against the Eagles last season against the Giants, 359 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: and I know it's a big wild card that defense. 360 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: And since you brought up the Eagles and they're another 361 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: team where it's gonna be a QB battles, something that's 362 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: head and shoulders above any other plotline there. To me, 363 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: Vic and Foles is gonna be talked about a lot. 364 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: Obviously we've already done it. But this is the number 365 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: one story and training camp to me, I mean a 366 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: football story because it's two players that are pretty good. 367 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: It's not Blaine gab and Chad Henny, you know, competing 368 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: to see who goes three and thirteen. It's it's Michael 369 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: Vick and Nick Foles competing to see who starts on 370 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 1: a team I think and make the playoffs. This is 371 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: not a great division. I like the Redskins. I don't 372 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: love any of these teams. I think any one of 373 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: them could win the division. And you throw in Chip Kelly. 374 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: If I could sit and watch one training camp and 375 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: just go there and stay, they would be Philadelphia. I mean, 376 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: is there any concern though with Chip Kelly? In terms 377 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: of this there's no defined starter right up, not just 378 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 1: in the quarterback position, but with all these positions. I 379 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: understand the competition side, but NFL players in general for 380 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: decades have been doing things a certain way, and it's 381 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: cool that he can mix it up and do his 382 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: Oregon To approach. But you know you got it or 383 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: you've already seen some dissension there and some irritation on 384 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 1: the part of Vic and de Shaun Jackson. Is it 385 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: just those malcontents or does the entire roster gonna be 386 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:42,959 Speaker 1: a little up in space that there's no defense. I 387 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: think that VIC is, oh, all right, that's that is strong. 388 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: But I think that Vic could go. He could turn 389 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 1: evil on this team if if he doesn't get his way. 390 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: You've seen hints of that, right I actually and when 391 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: we were talking downstairs. That's something to me to watch 392 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: if you're somebody that likes drama. And when things start 393 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: to get a little there, d and nasty, Michael Vick 394 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: does not get this job. The hands to zone, Yeah, 395 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: we're getting the hands of zone. Vick doesn't get the job, 396 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: and he starts malving off to the media and puts 397 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: Chip Kelly in a bad spot. It could get kind 398 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: of fun in Philly. It will it will always be 399 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: sort of misdirected shots from Vic. That's that's sort of 400 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: his you know, m o. He's not gonna take it 401 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: on head on, but it'll kind of like let something 402 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: sneak out a little bit that he's not happy. But 403 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: I honestly don't think that's gonna be a problem. I 404 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: think he's matured. He said that he'll accept a backup 405 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 1: job if that's what happens, and that's not a problem 406 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: to me. To me, it's a problem though if he's 407 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: not the best quarterback on the team. And since we're 408 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 1: talking about Vic, I have to bring up one of 409 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: my favorite quotes, early favorite right now for best quote 410 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: of training camp. Uh. He added four pounds of in 411 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: his words, pure muscle in the off season and his 412 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 1: quote it was a classic Barry Harrowitz pat yourself on 413 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: the back, uh quote, four pounds four pounds of pure muscle. 414 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: He said. So it's a credit to mysel elf. Michael 415 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: Vick loves themselves and Michael Vick I like that. I 416 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: like that about him. Um okay, So that's the NFC 417 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: East before before we go on, we should address the 418 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: cheetah situation in the NFL, right we have to. I mean, 419 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: I feel like it's the elephant in the room. It is. 420 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: So Apparently, Chris Johnson, there is a there's every everyone 421 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: is this wondering why haven't they brought up the cheeta 422 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: just to dial through cut two minute twelve. Chris Johnson 423 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: and Devin Hester. Apparently, Uh, there's a channel. Let's start 424 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: from the top there. Apparently there's a there's a channel 425 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: that exists called nat Geo Wild, Uh that has a 426 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: has a week called Big Cat Week, which I'm not 427 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 1: sure if Discovery Channel can sue them for obviously trying 428 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: to co opt Shark Week. But as a part of this, 429 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: Chris Johnson and Devin Hester traveled somewhere and raise the 430 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: cheetah and uh, you know, that seems like one of 431 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 1: the most dangerous, reckless things that human could ever do, right, 432 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: and one of in one of the easiest, you know, 433 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: races that Cheeta has ever had. Is that really a competition? Well, 434 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 1: Cheetah probably doesn't even know what's going on. First of all, 435 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: can we get someone else other than Hester at this 436 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: point in his t y Hilton or something? I mean, 437 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: how many how many people? Even? I believe because I 438 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 1: saw a still shot from the show even though it's 439 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 1: not airingtil November. But apparently there was a wall between 440 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: them so there could be no jugular rips, which is 441 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: excellent news. But I did some research as around the 442 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: league writer, as I wrote the post, and as it 443 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: turns out, a cheetah can go zero to sixty in 444 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 1: three seconds, So, like, you know, what what are we 445 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: doing here? As Greg says, a non race, couldn't we 446 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: find a dog or something something that would have been 447 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: a closer race. I don't understand why a cheetah against 448 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: the human was deemed something we need to organize an 449 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: hour of cable television over. I wish Dan did this 450 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: much research on football posts. I mean, he is like 451 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 1: our Cheetah beat writer. He came in today and you know, 452 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: Cessler was gonna do the Cheetah follow up because clearly 453 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 1: the people demand demanded more Cheetah. And Dan came in 454 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 1: there and he basically just took the tape from Mark's 455 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: desk and claimed the Cheetah post. Well, it's clearly, you know, 456 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: a post that's gonna blow up on our site. And 457 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: Dan just took the gold brick right off my desk. 458 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: I like it's being presented that way, but I'll take 459 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: all the metrics gold and be the bad guy. That's 460 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: fine with me. Um, all right, let's move on. Let's 461 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: move back to football. Uh, the NFC North, the final division. 462 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 1: In our breakdown the Green Bay Packers, I think the 463 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,479 Speaker 1: running back battle there is something to watch. You know, 464 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: they've survived for the last few years without any running game, 465 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: and now they have a chance to have a really 466 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: good running game. I mean, Jonathan Franklin was one of 467 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 1: my favorite guys in the draft. I mean he fell 468 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: to the fourth round, Eddie Lacey, uh, Dwan Harris. They 469 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: have a lot of options. I don't think it's gonna 470 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: be a bad running game this year. Yeah, I'm excited 471 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: to see more balanced attack from Green Bay because I understand, 472 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: you've got the greatest quarterback on the planet and you 473 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: can throw the ball a hundred times to everyone, but 474 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: it's like something stopped them each season. And I think 475 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 1: that we saw them get physically pounded by the Niners 476 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: in that playoff game, and McCarthy said all offseason, we're 477 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: gonna be a tougher team on defense, and we're gonna 478 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: be a tougher team on offense. And it's like, if 479 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: they can do that, I'd see that the you know, 480 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: these one and done playoffs shows are gonna end for them. 481 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: They have a chance to go all the way to 482 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl this year. I'm most I'm most excited 483 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: about Aaron Rodgers sitting in front of his laptop trying 484 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: to figure out how to craft the perfect tweet to 485 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: come back from this Ryan Brown disaster. He's waiting, he's 486 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: taking his time. He's Aaron Rodgers is a guy who 487 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 1: takes lights from the media pretty seriously and he carries 488 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: it with them. So you know, this is a case 489 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: with Ryan Brown where he's taken some shots. Rodgers has 490 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: in the last a few days since the news came out, 491 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: and I think he's just gonna be so salty when 492 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: he steps up to the phony. And for those who 493 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 1: didn't follow this, last year, Ryan Braun, who was a 494 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 1: m v P for the Milwaukee Brewers in baseball, he 495 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: got popped for steroids. He appealed it in one on appeal. 496 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: This is last year. And then Rogers. People know that 497 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: Ryan bron Some people don't know it, you know, so 498 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 1: maybe our Australia American base. But anyway, so Rogers comes 499 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: out he's a little bit arrogant and his responses on Twitter, 500 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: let's face it, saying, you know, exonerated e cro MLB. 501 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 1: And now it blew up in his face because not 502 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: only was Braun suspended for the rest of the year 503 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: on Monday, he also admitted that he was using on 504 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: the flip side. Dan is often attacked on Twitter, and 505 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: I'll go out of my way to defend him. And 506 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: you're not always dealing with facts, it's just your you're 507 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: presenting me as Ryan Braun and us and Rogers the 508 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: parallel to some degree. I mean, but it's you know, 509 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: is he sticking up for his friend. He didn't know 510 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: back then what the real deal was. It's a legit 511 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: issue because they own a restaurant together, which is like 512 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: the m v P Guys Restaurant, which that's the reality 513 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 1: show we need to see, right, Probably not gonna do 514 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: too well in the future. The Ryan Bron restaurant in Milwaukee, 515 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 1: UM Minnesota Vikings now was like the McLoughlin group or something. 516 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: Nick Minnesota Vikings. I know that I talked about bringing 517 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: up the new group of wide receivers, but I have 518 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: to say when my mind with the Vikings immediately goes 519 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: to the quarterback situation, I want to see how you've got, 520 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: you know, two guys here, Christian Ponder and Matt Castle. 521 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: It's like I want to see how they do with 522 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: with their workload as the game's go on. I think 523 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: that's a regular season thing. Whether if Ponder plays well, 524 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: it'll be fine. If not, we'll hear about this more. 525 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: And week five. I mean, I'm looking to see how 526 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: they use Cordarold Patterson, whether he could be a starter 527 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: right away or he could be buried on the depth 528 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: chart like fourth and he just has fifteen twenty snaps 529 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: a game. Nothing we really surprising with him. I'm actually 530 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 1: more interested are the Vikings gonna hold on to the 531 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: twelfth overall pick in Nick's Amazed Draft. Are they gonna 532 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 1: try to trade up to get the quarterback? You know? Well, 533 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 1: I think if if they end up with that pick 534 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 1: and you're predicting some doom for them there, it's like, absolutely, 535 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: they're not going to stick with Ponder after this season. 536 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: I think this is a last place team. I'm with 537 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: I'm with Dan maybe like the number seven pick. This 538 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: is a tough division. This is my least favorite team 539 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: in the division. You see the Detroit Lions beating out 540 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 1: in Minnesota this season. I think Detroit is a potential 541 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 1: playoff team. We haven't made our predictions or anything, but 542 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: though I'm thinking about them as a wild card. Yeah, 543 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, Peterson had one of the greatest years ever. 544 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: But I can't remember too many week or tenant six teams, 545 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: uh than the Vikings were last year. Just they don't 546 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 1: do much for me. And I think Peterson will regresses, 547 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: you know, he almost has to. And I don't see 548 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: the quarterback play getting better. And they lost their best 549 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: player besides Peterson and harvarschar to win in two thousand 550 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: thirteen with Christian Ponder or whatever, that their pathing game 551 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: is going to be alright, the Chicago Bears. Gregg started off, Uh, 552 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,959 Speaker 1: let's just see as as wilk fist pumps behind the glass. 553 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 1: You know, Cutler spoke today, his coach and GM both 554 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: spoke today, and the GM said there's no contract for 555 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 1: Cutler this year. There's no contract for anyone. Um, it's 556 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: gonna be fascinating. I'm really excited to watch this team. 557 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: I want to watch them week one because I really 558 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: don't know what I'm gonna get with Mark Trustman. There's 559 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: not a lot up for grabs. I don't think on 560 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: this team in camp, but I just have no idea 561 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: what Trustman and Cutler are gonna be like together. It 562 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: could be either great or it could be terrible. Well, 563 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: I think it's it's funny because when we got the 564 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: information about Cutler not going to be, you know, getting 565 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 1: a new deal before this whole thing begins. It's interesting 566 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: because I think Trestman is going to do wonders with Cutler. 567 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: He's done that with almost every quarterback he's had. But 568 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: then that puts the Bears in a situation where, you know, 569 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: if Cutler has a marvelous year there, they would have 570 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: been much smarter to get that contract done, right, now 571 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: when his you know, this shines a little off on 572 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: the guy. It's the right move by the Bears. It's 573 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: and it's the same situation that my Jets were in 574 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: last year, only they made the wrong move. Or tannebum 575 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: gave Mark Sanchez a new contract when he didn't have 576 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: to do the contract, could have said, you play it out, 577 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: let's see if you earn it. Cutler has been so 578 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 1: up and down really his whole career, but you know, 579 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: especially with the Bears that I think it's a situation 580 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: where his his career is at the point where, yes, 581 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: you're definitely our starter. We believe in you, but it's 582 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 1: kind of put up or shut up time whether or 583 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: not you are the long term answer. Even Ian reported 584 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 1: some stuff today basically that look, if if Jay Cutler 585 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: plays really well, it's gonna get really expensive for the Bears. 586 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: But they don't care. I mean, if you think the 587 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: Ravens mind minded paying Joe Flacco, they don't mind. So, 588 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: you know, I think once again Dan's over rating Sanchez 589 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: and somehow comparing him to Jay Cutler, Cutler far better 590 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: quarterback stop. I think Cutler is gonna be a Bear 591 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: long term. I'd be really surprised if it if it 592 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: went that south just because good quarterbacks are hearts fine. 593 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: I still think he's good well, and we learned this 594 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: offseason you saw a string of quarterback contracts come through. 595 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: Did any of them any of them really seem too 596 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: outrageous for the guys who are getting paid and what 597 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,239 Speaker 1: they mean to their teams. Things would have to go 598 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: really south on the field, and maybe between them personally. 599 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: I feel like trust mean and color just not being 600 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: a match for him not to be there long term. 601 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: And then finally you mentioned Mark the Lions, and obviously 602 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: you're not very high on them. What do you see 603 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: coming out of their camp? I don't think that I'm 604 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: not very high on them. I I just see in 605 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: that division that they don't look like the most complete 606 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: team to me. I know that the the guy that 607 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: we've focused on a lot this offseason is Reggie Bush. 608 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: And how will his production fit into that team? I 609 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: can't I hear you all here is like pistons pumping 610 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: and laser beam sounds. It's the Reggie Bush hype machine 611 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: rolling at a prodigious, powerful level. And it's just again, 612 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: you know, if you listen to all the reports about Bush. 613 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: And this has been happening his whole career, but especially 614 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: now that he's in a good offense with a great 615 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: uh well maybe a great quarterback. You would think that 616 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: he's gonna have a hundred and fifty catches in two 617 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: thousand yards rushing. Let's just let's just let a play out. 618 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: But that the the idea that Reggie Bush is now 619 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: going to finally become this statistical monster. I'm just sick 620 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: of hearing it personally. I mean, the lasers, the lasers 621 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: can get annoying from the I'm with you and that 622 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: this happened when Bush landed in Miami, and I think 623 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: he lived up to reasonable expectations of what you could 624 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: have thought from I mean, but he's just a guy. 625 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: I mean, is he any better than your average second 626 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: round pick coming out of the NFL draft? Probably not. 627 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: I mean he's he's not quite a good starter, but 628 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: he's not a bad starter. Well, it might have something 629 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: to do with another hype machine, the USC Trojans. Oh 630 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: in my is that fair? Your own podcast? You and me? Alright, 631 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 1: buddy until you leave me and I'm all alone. Um, 632 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: So that's it. That is our divisional breakdown. Yeah, I 633 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: gotta go. We gotta run to the airport and see 634 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: my daughter for the first time in a couple of weeks. 635 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: I'm excited. We'll enjoy it that. It sounds like a 636 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: lifetime special or something. Um. Alright, so we'll be back 637 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: now that. Yeah, we'll be back on Friday. Right, we 638 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: will be back on Friday with another Around the League podcast. 639 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: All right, then maybe we'll be on iTunes. So just 640 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: keep an eye out. We'll keep you updated. Thanks for listening. 641 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: Thank you. M