1 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: Happy Saturday. Dr Alice Hamilton's is going to come up 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,719 Speaker 1: in one of our forthcoming episodes, along with her groundbreaking 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: work in the field of occupational medicine, specifically the dangers 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: of workplace and environmental exposures to lead. So we are 5 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: bringing our episode on her out as Today's Saturday Classic. 6 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: This originally came out on May six, so enjoy. Welcome 7 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production of 8 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:40,319 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 9 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: Holly Fry and I'm Tracy be Wilson and Tracy. Today's 10 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: episode is going to delve into the start of the 11 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: study of occupational disease and the woman behind that beginning. 12 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: That's an important field, it is, and it's one of 13 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: those interesting things that we see is so important today 14 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: but a hundred years ago not so much. Well. Occupational 15 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: health has also been affecting people for much, much, much 16 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: longer than it has existed as a field. Like yes, 17 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: and it is one of those things that even while 18 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: I was researching this episode, I found myself going, why 19 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: why didn't anybody study this? There's pretty obvious cause and 20 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: effect for some of this stuff. One, yeah, but a 21 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: number of previous episode topics are going to get mentioned 22 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: as we uh go through this story. Yes, uh so. 23 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: Dr Alice Hamilton's was a trailblazer in science and medicine 24 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: and she dedicated her life to improving the workplace standards 25 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 1: for laborers in an effort to reduce illnesses that came 26 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: ardly from working with toxic chemicals. And this episode was 27 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: requested by our listener Emily, who actually sent us a 28 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 1: book to kickstart research, which is very kind and it's 29 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: actually a really fun book, So thank you, Emily. So 30 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: on February sixty nine. Alice Hamilton's was born in New 31 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: York City. Her parents were Montgomery Hamilton's and Gertrude Pond. 32 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: The family had really strong roots in Fort Wayne, Indiana. 33 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: That was where her grandfather had been a land speculator 34 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: and entrepreneur after immigrating from Ireland to the United States, 35 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: and he had bought and sold a lot of property 36 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: in Fort Wayne. Yeah, I read one account that basically said, 37 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: like almost any piece of property you stand on in 38 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: Fort Wayne today at some point passed through his hands 39 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: in terms of ownership. Alice was born in New York 40 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: because her mother, Gertrude, had wanted to go to have 41 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: the baby at her family home, which was in New York, 42 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: but when Alice was still very very tiny, she and 43 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: her mother went back home to Fort Wayne to live 44 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: on the property that they had there, which is a 45 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: family called Old House. And the Old House itself had 46 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: been built in eighteen forty, and Alice once described it 47 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: as having been built quote for beauty, space, dignity, not 48 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: for comfort and convenience. The family had staff, and so 49 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: that inconvenience was borne by them, but Alice was very 50 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: aware of the inherent wastefulness in building rooms so large 51 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: that there had to be someone constantly tending to the 52 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: fire errs, and having so many stories before running water 53 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: that maids had to continually be carting water up flights 54 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: of stairs. Montgomery, Gertrude and the children didn't live in 55 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: Old House, although they spent a lot of their time there. 56 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: They had a slightly smaller home on the same property 57 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: called White House, and a home called Red House was 58 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: where Alice's uncle lived. The one thing that Alice saw 59 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: is a great benefit in those overly large homes was 60 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: the ability to find some quiet space to be alone 61 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: and get away from the bustle of a very large family. 62 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: Alice and her sisters Edith, Margaret, and Norah, and her 63 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: one baby brother, Arthur, who came along a little later, 64 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: were home schooled by their parents. Gertrude Pond Hamilton's thought 65 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: that the hours of public schools were unreasonable, and her father, Montgomery, 66 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: thought that the subjects that they taught at those schools 67 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: were far too boring for his children. Uh Edith incidentally 68 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: went on to become a well known author and classicists, 69 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: you mean recognize the name of Hamilton's and the sisters 70 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: had all been born pretty closely, within six years of 71 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: each other, and they were very very close to one another. 72 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: Their brother, Arthur, who went by quint, was born much later, 73 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: when Alice was seventeen. Alice described this upbringing, being taught 74 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: at home and not really having friends outside of their family, 75 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: as one that turned them all into bookworms eventually. Quote 76 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: and since we saw so little of any children outside 77 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: our own family, the people we met in books became 78 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: real to us. But to be clear, there were other 79 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:33,799 Speaker 1: children around. Eleven cousins lived on the property where old 80 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 1: house and the other home set, so sort of a 81 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: giant family compound, kind of yes, uh, And it wasn't 82 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: until Alice was a teenager of seventeen that she received 83 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: any formal education when she attended Miss Porter's School in Farmington, Connecticut. 84 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: And that was and still is a private preparatory school 85 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: in Connecticut, and Alice's time there was the prelude to 86 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: entering the University of Michigan Medical School. Alice thought that 87 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: the school was awful, and she selected courses that would 88 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: either be fairly easy. She already had a lot of 89 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: linguistics education from her parents, so she took a lot 90 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: of that, or she picked courses for which she could 91 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: just memorize the needed information without really digesting and understanding it. 92 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: But that meant that when she decided to go into medicine, 93 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 1: she was woefully lacking. She needed to take extra classes 94 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: to get properly prepared for it. She had to take physics, chemistry, biology, 95 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,559 Speaker 1: and anatomy courses after she finished at Miss Porter's. Once 96 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: those were complete, she enrolled at the University of Michigan. 97 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: Even though this was decades after Elizabeth Blackwell became the 98 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: first woman to graduate for medical school in the United States, 99 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: it was still pretty unusual for a woman to pursue 100 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: a career as a physician, but it turned out that 101 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 1: Alice really loved both the freedom and the challenge of 102 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: being on her own and learning so much about clinical 103 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: and lab work. Eventually, she decided she wanted to do 104 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,799 Speaker 1: research instead of practice me uson and when she finished 105 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 1: medical school in eight she worked as an intern in Minneapolis, Minnesota, 106 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: at the Hospital for Women and Children, and after two 107 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: months there, she moved to her next training position, this 108 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 1: time at the New England Hospital for Women and Children, 109 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: which is located near Boston. Her education continued after that. 110 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: She studied in Leipzig and Munich over the course of 111 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: a year. Because Germany was really where her chosen fields 112 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: of bacteriology and pathology were most advanced. This was a 113 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: tricky thing for her to negotiate because German schools were 114 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: not open to women at that time. Alice and her 115 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: sister Edith, who traveled to Germany with her, had to 116 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: promise that they would be invisible to the male students. 117 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: After gaining a solid level of knowledge in Europe, Alice 118 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: came back to the United States to attend Johns Hopkins 119 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 1: University for a year. Once all of that schooling was done, 120 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: Hamilton made the switch in roles from student to educator, 121 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: and she began teaching at the Northwestern Universities Women's Metal 122 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: Cool School. In addition to her teaching, she also joined 123 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: Chicago's Hull House and moved in there. That is the 124 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: settlement house founded by Jane Adams that we discussed in 125 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: our episode about Adams. Alice Hamilton has actually mentioned very 126 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: briefly in that episode, and as part of her life 127 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: at Hull House, Alice founded a well baby clinic for 128 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: the community, and she also made the connection between typhoid 129 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: spread and poor sewage disposal during the nineteen two epidemic 130 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: in Chicago. Hull House made a big impact on Alice, 131 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: and her ongoing work there really shaped her worldview. She 132 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: once famously said of it quote, life in a settlement 133 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: does several things to you. Among others, it teaches you 134 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: that education and culture have little to do with real wisdom, 135 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: the wisdom that comes from experiences. And it was during 136 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: this work at Hull House and offering medical treatment and 137 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: assistance to the poor families in the community, that Alice 138 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: started to see firsthand just how closely linked disease was 139 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: to poverty, and she started to realized just how dangerous 140 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: working conditions were for the poor, who were often immigrants 141 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: with little power to improve their workplaces or to move 142 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: into less hazardous careers. In she wrote her first paper 143 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: on the subject of occupational disease, and her works importance 144 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: and her level of knowledge on the topic, we're pretty 145 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: quickly acknowledged this is the time when workers in the 146 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: United States were routinely handling toxic substances with little to 147 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: no protection. We have talked on the podcast before about 148 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: things like fossy jaw and mercury poisoning, and those were 149 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: not uncommon among poor laborers, but in the United States 150 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: there really wasn't any formal work being done to study 151 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: these kinds of issues in the workplace. And we're going 152 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: to talk about the next stage in Hamilton's career, which 153 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: came because of the recognition that she achieved for that 154 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: early work in studying occupational disease. But first we'll pause 155 00:08:50,920 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: and have a little of sponsor break. In Alice Hamilton's 156 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: was appointed to lead an Occupational Disease Commission which was 157 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: formed by Illinois Governor Charles Deneen, and that commission was 158 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: established to study industrial disease. It was the first of 159 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 1: its kind in the United States, Lead, arsenic, carbon monoxide, brass, cyanides, 160 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: and turpentine were all to be studied over the course 161 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: of a year per the Governor's office, and Hamilton's, in 162 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: addition to being the leader of this initiative, focused on 163 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: lead in particular, and so she started researching the connection 164 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: between industry and disease, pioneering the field of occupational epidemiology. 165 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: She later wrote quote, it was while I was living 166 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: in Hull House and working in bacteriological research that the 167 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: opportunity came to me to investigate the dangerous trades of Illinois, 168 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: not those where violent accidents occurred, but those with the 169 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: less spectacular hazard of sickness from some industrial poison. It 170 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 1: was a voyage of explor ration that we undertook our 171 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: little group of physicians and student assistants, for nobody in 172 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: Illinois knew even then where we should make our investigation 173 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: beyond a few notorious led trades. American medical authorities had 174 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 1: never taken industrial diseases seriously. The American Medical Associations had 175 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: never held a meeting on the subject, and while European 176 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: journals were full of articles on industrial poisoning, the number 177 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: published in American medical journals up to nineteen ten could 178 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: be counted on one's fingers, and the work on this 179 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: project was extensive. Dr Hamilton's and her team spoke with 180 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: laborers and pharmacists about factory conditions and instances of lead poisoning. 181 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: They also reviewed medical records and hospitals, and they went 182 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: to factories to see for themselves what the conditions were like. And, 183 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: as you might suspect, this line of investigation was not 184 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: exactly welcomed by some of the people in power in 185 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: the industries that she wanted to research. In her autobiography, 186 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: she describes some of the attitudes about illness and injury 187 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: that she encountered. Quote, as I look back, some striking 188 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: pictures come to me of that anarchic period. One is 189 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: the picture of the works manager of a big white 190 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: lead plant, a gentleman of breeding and something of a philanthropist. 191 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: He is looking at me indignantly and exclaiming, why that 192 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: sounds as if you think that when a man gets 193 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: lead poisoning in my plant, I ought to be held responsible. 194 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: Another is that of a Hungarian woman at Hull House 195 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: telling me of a terrible accident and a steel mill 196 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: on the South Shore in which her husband had been injured. 197 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,239 Speaker 1: He and the other victims were being held in communicado 198 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: and the company hospital. No one was allowed to see them. 199 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: She knew nothing except that her husband was not dead. Yeah, 200 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: she has a lot of accounts. If you read her autobiography, 201 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: there are many similar stories that she witnessed. A lot 202 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 1: of Hamilton's writing on the issues she was researching at 203 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: this time mentions the various people who were ignorant and 204 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: indifferent in allowing danger of circumstances to continue to be 205 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: the norm in factories, from the owners to the foreman, 206 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: to the company doctors, and even the workers. She wrote quote, 207 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: the employers could, if they wished, shut their eyes to 208 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 1: the dangers their workmen faced, for nobody held them responsible, 209 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 1: while the workers accepted the risks with fatalistic submissiveness as 210 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: part of the price one must pay for being poor. 211 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: She also cataloged the various excuses she was given by 212 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: employers and her investigations about illness and disease among their workers. 213 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: Some took racist positions, claiming that the various immigrant groups 214 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: were filthy and never washed. Others claimed that various illnesses 215 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: weren't the result of anything related to their work, but 216 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: were caused by alcoholism among the employees. She wrote, quote, 217 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: there is no form of industrial poisoning which I have 218 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: not heard some man attribute to whiskey. Even though Hamilton's 219 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: and her colleagues had been appointed to a commission by 220 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: the governor, they didn't have any actual authority to just 221 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: walk into ants and start asking questions. And there was 222 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: also no real set of guidelines or procedure for how 223 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: they should do this work. So they simply started looking 224 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: for themselves for places that would fall under the umbrella 225 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 1: of their mandate, and then they would just ask to 226 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: enter and look around and speak with someone in authority. 227 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: And Alice does mention in her writing that she was 228 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 1: always greeted with kindness, and then in some cases foreman 229 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: or factory owners already had their own worries about employee health, 230 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 1: and they were actually really glad to have someone helping 231 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: them figure out the problem. This commission wasn't intended to 232 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: be a whistleblowing operation, though Alice wasn't supposed to identify 233 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: any of the factories and her reports by name or 234 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: give details that could identify them, and she submitted the 235 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: reports in the manner that was requested. She wasn't completely 236 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: comfortable with that, though. She worried that people weren't being 237 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: helped in a direct way while government agencies reviewed the 238 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: findings of the report. So she started a habit of 239 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: telling the men in charge of the factories where she 240 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: found concern exactly what she felt was wrong. She gave 241 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: these men her own recommendations for the simple steps they 242 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 1: might take to improve conditions, and later she wrote about 243 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: how surprised she was that this informal quote primitive method 244 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 1: actually worked. In one case, she had visited a white 245 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: lead works that was open with the intent of being safe, 246 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: but then there hadn't been a protocol in place to 247 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: remove waste materials from production, and there were piles of 248 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: it around the factory, and she spoke to the manager, 249 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: but he was not very enthused about being told what 250 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: to do. The plant owner wasn't really an option. He 251 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: was elderly and not really actively involved in running the factory. 252 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: But then she remembered that she actually knew the owner's daughter. 253 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: The two women had gone to school together, and so 254 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: by reaching out through that channel, Alice was able to 255 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: explain to her former schoolmate problems going on in the 256 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: lead works and encourage a little bit of change, and 257 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: that worked. The factory not only changed its operating procedures 258 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: to include removal of the waste products on a regular basis. 259 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: Leadership actually asked Alice to stop by periodically and inspect 260 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: things for them and just touch base. And she continued 261 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: to develop relationships both through these kinds of ways and 262 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: with managers and foremen as often as possible so that 263 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: she could keep their discussions about safety cordial. And she 264 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: continued to leverage any other means she could to enact 265 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: change in ways that her government work couldn't really do. Ultimately, 266 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: though the report that Alice compiled with her colleagues did 267 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: have significant impact. It made a clear case showing that 268 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: illnesses were often the result of on the job conditions. 269 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: In nineteen eleven, the state of Illinois pass legislation that 270 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: required three things of employers. One they had to follow 271 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: new safety guidelines to minimize the risk of occupational disease. Two, 272 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: if they employed workers in so called dangerous trades, they 273 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: had to provide monthly health screening for those employees. And three, 274 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: they had to report any illnesses to the Department of 275 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: Factory inspection. In nineteen eleven, after her work with the 276 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: State of Illinois Commission concluded, Alice Hamilton was asked to 277 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: serve as a special investigator for the Federal Department of 278 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: Labor Bureau of Labor Statistics because of the reputation she 279 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: had earned for her work at the state level, and 280 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: she served in that role for almost a decade and 281 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: continued her study and investigation of lead in industry, as 282 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: well as rubber, viscoast, rayon, and other substances. Hamilton's continued 283 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: to break barriers in her career, and we will get 284 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: to another of those right after we pause for one 285 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: of the sponsors that keeps us going. During World War One, 286 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: Hamilton's turned her attentions to the industries associated with war 287 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: for investigation. She studied factories where munitions were made, and 288 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: she submitted reports outlining the dangers of the various chemicals 289 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: involved and how those dangers might be addressed for worker safety. 290 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: Many safety procedures were established because of the work she 291 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: did during those years. She also commented at one point 292 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: that she felt like because the government was so quick 293 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: to act on those recommendations, it kind of gave her 294 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: work a level of credibility that it hadn't really had before. 295 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: Nearing the end of her work in the Bureau of 296 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: Labor Statistics, Hamilton's was offered a position teaching at Harvard 297 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: Medical School as an assistant professor of Industrial Medicine. That 298 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: made her the first woman on the faculty there, and 299 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: there's some irony in that appointment. The school wasn't accepting 300 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: women as students at the time. When she was interviewed 301 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 1: on the subject, Alice Hamilton was always quick to point 302 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: out that she shouldn't have been the first woman on 303 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: the faculty and she was I was like, yes, I 304 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: am uh. We should have been doing this before. Uh. 305 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 1: And despite the attention that her groundbreaking position gained the school, 306 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 1: she was denied a number of benefits that were available 307 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: to other faculty members. For example, she wasn't allowed into 308 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 1: the faculty club, and she wasn't allowed to participate in 309 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 1: the commencement procession, and she would not receive any football tickets. 310 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: Those were all benefits that any other faculty member would 311 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: have had. But as part of her hiring negotiation, Dr 312 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 1: Hamilton's wanted to teach only one semester each year, and 313 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: that way the remainder of the year would be spent 314 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: on her work at Hull House and on her ongoing 315 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: research into toxicology. Alice was appointed to the League of 316 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: Nations Health Committee that made her the only woman chosen 317 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: for it. That same year, she was invited to the 318 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: Soviet Union to offer her expertise on the management and 319 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: treatment of occupational disease. There, Hamilton's continued to use her 320 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: various positions to work not just for the betterment of 321 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: occupational health, but also for social reform and healthcare. Her 322 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: work with impoverished communities continued to drive her efforts, including 323 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: work in epidemic disease, infant mortality reduction, and addiction, and 324 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: she also advocated for family planning at a time when 325 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: that was not a very welcome topic because she saw 326 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:00,640 Speaker 1: how much women in impoverished communities really didn't have education 327 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: on the matter, and also in some cases their health 328 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 1: was put at risk by having pregnancy after pregnancy, after pregnancy. 329 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: She also worked in the interest of women's labor rights, 330 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: even when that position stood in opposition to legislation that 331 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 1: was introduced for equal rights. Hamilton was concerned that the 332 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 1: wording of bills introduced for equality in the workplace would 333 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: diminish protections for women in the workplace, so she became 334 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,719 Speaker 1: an advocate for women in labor industries like textile mills, 335 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: food packaging and processing plants, as well as hospitality. In 336 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty two, she became an advocate for the Equal 337 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 1: Rights Amendment once she felt that equality legislation wouldn't diminish 338 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: protections for women at work, and part of the reason 339 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: she was so adamant about those protections was that she 340 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: had collected data that showed that there were ways in 341 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 1: which women were more vulnerable than men when it came 342 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: to certain issues of industrial poisoning. Her research indicated that 343 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 1: women were more susceptible, particularly to lead poisoning, and all 344 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: industrial poisonings had the added complication of potentially causing birth 345 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: defects and or sterility. In she wrote the first text 346 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: on toxicology, titled Industrial Poisons in the United States. Nine 347 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 1: years later, in nineteen thirty four, she wrote another text book, 348 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: Industrial Toxicology. The year after Industrial Toxicology was first published, 349 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 1: Hamilton's time at Harvard ended because she reached mandatory retirement 350 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: age in the sixteen years that she was there. She 351 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: was never promoted beyond the title of assistant professor, and 352 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: instead had been employed on a series of three year 353 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: contracts that renewed over and over. After leaving Harvard, Hamilton's, 354 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: who was sixty six at the time, hadn't actually retired 355 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: from her life's work. She moved to Haadline, Connecticut with 356 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 1: her sister Margaret, who, like all four of the Hamilton's sisters, 357 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: had not married, and Alice continued to consult on the 358 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: topic of toxicology in industrial settings, including acting as an 359 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: advisor to New York State Industrial Commissioner Francis Perkins. Even 360 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: outside of consulting, Dr Hamilton's stayed busy. In nineteen forty three, 361 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: she wrote her autobiography, Exploring the Dangerous Trades. She revised 362 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: her textbook Industrial Toxicology in nineteen forty nine when she 363 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: was eighty and as Joseph McCarthy stirred up the Second 364 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: Red Scare in the u s and the late forties 365 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: and early fifties, she spoke out against it. At that 366 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: point she was in her eighties. That activism continued into 367 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: her nineties, when she wrote to President Kennedy to urge 368 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: him to get American troops out of Vietnam. On February 369 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine. Hamilton's celebrated her one birthday the following year. 370 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: She died on September twenty, nineteen seventy, after having a stroke. 371 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: Three months after her death, on December nineteen seventy, the 372 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: Occupational Safety and Health Act of nineteen seventy became law. 373 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 1: It's opening paragraph reads, an Act to assure safe and 374 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: healthful working conditions for working men and women, by authorizing 375 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: enforcement of the standards developed into the Act, by assisting 376 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: and encouraging the States and their efforts to assure safe 377 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: and healthiple working conditions, by providing for research, information, education, 378 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: and training in the field of occupational safety and health, 379 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: and for other purposes. Yes, so that was kind of 380 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 1: the culmination of her life's work, and she just missed 381 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: seeing it happened by a few months. Today, the Centers 382 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: for Disease Control and Prevention give out the Alice B. 383 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,479 Speaker 1: Hamilton's Awards for Occupational Safety and Health, and on her 384 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: birthday in ven the National Institute for Occupational Safety and 385 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: Health Ridge Avenue Facility in Cincinnati, Ohio was dedicated to 386 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 1: her memory and named the Alice Hamilton's Laboratory. For Occupational 387 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: Safety and Health. In two thousand to the American Chemical 388 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 1: Society designated Alice Hamilton's and her work in industrial medicine 389 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: a National Historic Chemical Landmark. And to close, I wanted 390 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: to offer up a fairly famous quote from Dr Allis 391 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: Hamilton's autobiography, and it reads, quote I chose medicine not 392 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,360 Speaker 1: because I was scientifically minded, for I was deeply ignorant 393 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: of science. I chose it because as a doctor, I 394 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: could go anywhere I pleased, too far off lands or 395 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: to city slums, and be quite sure I could be 396 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 1: of use anywhere. That's such a great sentiment, it is, 397 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: And it's like her heaps me too. Uh. One of 398 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: the things that I think is really interesting about her 399 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 1: story is that it's sort of it shows how when 400 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 1: there's progress in some field, it's not like there's a 401 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: switch that gets flipped where everything is fixed now, like 402 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,360 Speaker 1: the Radium girls were after this, and like I think 403 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: she was part of some of the investigation of that, 404 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: and like that was well after Illinois had passed laws 405 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: related to this. Like it's it's an example of sort 406 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: of the trajectory of things that that take a while. 407 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 1: And of course there are plenty of occupational issues that 408 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: still exists today. Yeah. In her autobiography, which we mentioned 409 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: was written in the forties, there's a funny moment where 410 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: she talks about how like to her, it's almost amusing 411 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: that people started using like the the safety first wording, 412 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: when she's like, when I started doing this, that would 413 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: have been like an athema. Nobody would have said those words. 414 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 1: So she was seeing the progress and could appreciate her 415 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: impact even if she did not get to see that 416 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: the OSHA law UM finally signed into reality. That law 417 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: is older than I thought it was. Yeah. Yeah, And 418 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: it's one of those things I think people don't always know, 419 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: like the origin point for OSHA, Like we used that 420 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: acronym as a word all the time, But when you 421 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: really think about, like someone had to go and investigate 422 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: all of these things into TRUM and that there was 423 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: a very clear link between some of the work that 424 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: was happening and some of the illnesses that were resulting, 425 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: uh and document all of it so that there could 426 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: be a clear case made. And it was largely uh, 427 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: you know, her instigating it in the United States at least, 428 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: there was, as we mentioned, uh, stuff going on in 429 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: other parts of the globe where they had already begun 430 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 1: that kind of research. But Alice Hilton sure love her. 431 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: I also noticed, in case anyone's curious, when you look 432 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: at by agraphies of her, Uh, she isn't very often 433 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: addressed as Dr Alice Hamilton's and I think that's because 434 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: she didn't go into practice as a medical doctor but 435 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: instead took this research route. 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