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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff Mom never told you?

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Speaker 1: From house Stop works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Caroline and I'm Kristen, and as part

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Speaker 1: of our summer short series, we're wanting to talk about

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Speaker 1: nude beaches today. Because that's it's just gonna be a short,

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Speaker 1: old topic. We're not going to get too much into

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Speaker 1: it or whether we've been or not, but I I

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Speaker 1: want to I want to start you off with an

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Speaker 1: interesting bit of trivia. Okay, who do you think loves

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Speaker 1: nude sunbathing the most in Europe? Just throughout a guess

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Speaker 1: I know the answer, So what is it? Gemmans? The

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Speaker 1: German See that doesn't make any sense to me, which

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Speaker 1: I did not have any idea. This is coming from

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Speaker 1: the point where when East and West Germany were reunited,

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Speaker 1: on there. Put your clothes back on it. Well, it

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Speaker 1: makes sense that Germany is the hot spot of nude

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Speaker 1: sunbathing and nude beaches because the father of nudism and

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Speaker 1: the whole free body culture, which is sometimes referred to

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Speaker 1: And this Pudor gentleman actually wrote the Cult of the

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Speaker 1: So this this is coming from USA today talking about

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Speaker 1: free from nineteenth century restrictive social expectations yea. And as

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Speaker 1: a result, German Paul Zimmerman opened the first known nudist

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Speaker 1: another article that I found in Spiegel talking about all

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Speaker 1: the Germans enjoy sunbathing in the nude and the whole

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Speaker 1: origins of nudism, which we might think of nude beaches

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Speaker 1: and nudism is some kind of expression, some sexual expression,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily. Durch Piegel explains that along with vegetarianism, teetotaling

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Speaker 1: mentionedent of German respondents said the sun bathed nude and

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Speaker 1: the second likeliest to come into that category, where Indians

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Speaker 1: the free beach movement of the nineteen sixties, when people

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Speaker 1: to Nude Beaches and Recreation that same year. And it's

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Speaker 1: He's the author of the nineteen ninety Classic Creation and

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Speaker 1: American Association for Nude Recreation. You want to ask before

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