Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and I heart
Speaker 1: radio podcast. Hello everybody, and welcome to the most dramatic
Speaker 1: podcast ever. I am Chris Harrison, join once again by
Speaker 1: the lovely Laurenzima, who is back with this this week.
Speaker 1: Tan rested and ready to keel it up after a
Speaker 1: girl's trip. Wow, maybe too much tequila. I mean, when
Speaker 1: you're drinking every day, you got to stop it at
Speaker 1: some point. At some point when you're on vacation, you're
Speaker 1: thinking I need a vacation from Yes, my liver needs
Speaker 1: a spa. Yes, But I'm glad you're home. I'm glad
Speaker 1: you're back. By the way, thank you for giving me
Speaker 1: a mention while I was gone. I loved what you
Speaker 1: said about how we take time to do things that
Speaker 1: are important to each of us, to have girls trips,
Speaker 1: have guys trips, and I like missing you. It's nice
Speaker 1: to miss you. It was one of the things that
Speaker 1: I loved quickly about you is that your friends are
Speaker 1: dear to you. You make them a priority along with
Speaker 1: your family, and that was clear that, Hey, you still
Speaker 1: need to keep your life. I'm going to keep mine.
Speaker 1: They will blend clearly, and that's one of the beautiful
Speaker 1: things about a relationship, but we also got to keep
Speaker 1: our separate lives going for our individuality but also to
Speaker 1: feed our soul in those ways. And I love that.
Speaker 1: It's an important balance to find because I do think
Speaker 1: people sometimes you walk that dangerous line of thinking opposites
Speaker 1: attract and then you wind up with somebody who you
Speaker 1: have nothing in common with, Like you have to like
Speaker 1: to do the same things, but at the same time,
Speaker 1: you have to have your own things, because it's exciting
Speaker 1: to tell somebody about your day and to show them
Speaker 1: something you love and teach them about it. And in
Speaker 1: this case, I loved tequila and girlfriends. But anyway, we
Speaker 1: also talk about I could go on a rant about this,
Speaker 1: but you know what we talk about a lot is
Speaker 1: the difference between a girl's trip and a guy's trip.
Speaker 1: Like I always say, when me and my girlfriends go
Speaker 1: on a trip, the activity is talking, right. We are
Speaker 1: talking the whole time. We are diving in like how
Speaker 1: is your marriage, what's going on with you? We get deep,
Speaker 1: we probably cry at some point, and then when you
Speaker 1: come back from like a guy's golf, Guys base their
Speaker 1: trips on an activity, right, So our activity is we're
Speaker 1: going hunting, we're going fishing, we're going golfing. So we
Speaker 1: have an activity and around that there might be some
Speaker 1: talk possibly that goes deep. But we have an activity,
Speaker 1: whereas your activity is we're going to be together and
Speaker 1: just talk. Well, we could really dig into all this.
Speaker 1: It might be a whole episode on its side. Do
Speaker 1: this someday because it is fascinating and how women talk
Speaker 1: and will actually well, I don't want to go too far,
Speaker 1: but we will get into this someday. I think sleeping
Speaker 1: arrangements are very interesting to me, and that I don't
Speaker 1: want to scratch the surface, because once we get going,
Speaker 1: we will dive into this rabbit hole. It is award season, Elsie.
Speaker 1: You are obviously deep into this world, having worked at
Speaker 1: entertainment tonight for the better part of a decade. Well
Speaker 1: you are too, mister. You did money Red Carpets for
Speaker 1: Team I did actually a little known fact because very
Speaker 1: little of you watched this, but I was on the
Speaker 1: Red carpet for TV Guide. I executive produced and hosted
Speaker 1: the Red Carpet for TV Guide for many years. So
Speaker 1: obviously did the Globes, the SAG Awards, which were last night.
Speaker 1: The Grammys and the Oscars. Those are the big four
Speaker 1: of the redheaded step children. The SAG Awards are kind
Speaker 1: of the lesser known, lesser talked about publicly but privately
Speaker 1: within Hollywood. It is a very time honored tradition because
Speaker 1: it's so personal. It is the Screen Actors Guild. Well,
Speaker 1: what's interesting is a lot of people are saying that
Speaker 1: this awards show last night was just a really good show,
Speaker 1: like that the speeches were fun, that it was just
Speaker 1: enjoyable to watch. I mean, of course, we get into
Speaker 1: the most dramatic headlines every week, and what's more dramatic
Speaker 1: than a bunch of actors in a room together. But
Speaker 1: you and I wanted to talk about it because it's
Speaker 1: interesting too, Like one, you know, we talk about both
Speaker 1: being in TV, not just the content itself, but how
Speaker 1: people receive it. And we were wondering how many people
Speaker 1: were going to watch these SAG Awards because it was
Speaker 1: live streamed on Netflix's YouTube channel. I went and checked
Speaker 1: it had almost a million views as of Monday morning.
Speaker 1: What do you think, mister ratings guy? You always follow
Speaker 1: the ratings. You follow TV ratings for a long time.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I know a certain show that doesn't
Speaker 1: get three million viewers. So for something online to get
Speaker 1: a million viewers, and that's really kind of where the
Speaker 1: standard is now. So it's interesting to me that they
Speaker 1: have leaned into and you said they're going to come
Speaker 1: on Netflix next year, on lave next year, it's going
Speaker 1: to be live streamed on Netflix's main I mean, not
Speaker 1: just on Netflix. It's look, we've both seen this business
Speaker 1: go through so much change over the past couple of years.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think people don't awards shows like
Speaker 1: the Oscars the Emmys, even though you have the biggest
Speaker 1: stars in the world. I don't think they're going to
Speaker 1: ever get the numbers they once did, but people do
Speaker 1: still talk about it online. I mean, it kind of
Speaker 1: sucks for the broadcast networks because people don't watch the
Speaker 1: main show and that's where they get their advertising dollars.
Speaker 1: But and I'll be as we're about to sit here
Speaker 1: and talk about it, you and I did not watch
Speaker 1: the SAG Awards. We're just looking at the clips this moment. Ironically,
Speaker 1: I was on Netflix. I was watching the new season
Speaker 1: of Drive to Survive, which I'm addicted to, which is phenomenal,
Speaker 1: and I'm not even a car guy. I just love
Speaker 1: the soap opera storylines of it. I think it's a
Speaker 1: great reality show. But yeah, I was on Netflix but
Speaker 1: not watching the SAG Awards. Yes, and look to your
Speaker 1: point is it's not a novelty anymore to see the
Speaker 1: big stars. When I was growing up, and it's not
Speaker 1: that long ago, the only time you could see big
Speaker 1: stars Julia Roberts, Tom Hanks, George Clooney, whatever was if
Speaker 1: you tuned in to the Red Carpet, if you tuned
Speaker 1: into the Big Show. Now, it was the only opportunity
Speaker 1: to see them in kind of a natural moment. I mean,
Speaker 1: interviews aren't the most natural, but an interview, yes, at
Speaker 1: the time it was novel, and now it's not even
Speaker 1: noiving a speech because of social media, because of you know,
Speaker 1: just just this saturation of ways that we can get
Speaker 1: to these celebrities. There are very few that have kept
Speaker 1: their distance. I mean, you don't hear a lot of
Speaker 1: Tom Hanks, But even a guy like Tom Hanks, I've
Speaker 1: seen him. I've seen him on the round table, I've
Speaker 1: seen him doing certain things now where I just see
Speaker 1: him more so if I see him on the Red Carpet,
Speaker 1: it's not like, oh my gosh, I haven't. I haven't
Speaker 1: seen this guy speak outside of this movie in a year.
Speaker 1: And even Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise was on Netflix's special
Speaker 1: last night. He was on Drive to Survive. When else
Speaker 1: would you ever see Tom Cruise? A guy like Tom Cruise?
Speaker 1: But he was in the pits of the Mercedes drivers
Speaker 1: last night. He was not at the Sagoars. He was not.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was nominated. Actually, if not,
Speaker 1: he should have been for Top Gun. Was he? I
Speaker 1: don't think he was nominated Top Guns should have been nominated.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'm gonna have to look this up
Speaker 1: really quick. But anyway, so people don't watch it as much,
Speaker 1: but the little, you know, speeches still go viral. We
Speaker 1: still talk about the red carpet looks. By the way,
Speaker 1: shout out to my personal faves. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he looked up the looks, but Zendea, Quinta Brunson, Haley
Speaker 1: Lou Richardson from The White Lotus looked at me saying
Speaker 1: given a shout out to a couple of guys. Austin
Speaker 1: Butler rock in a great suit and Eddie Redmain had
Speaker 1: like a big bow tie situation and I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: So there were some good looks. Zendan Quinton Brunson just
Speaker 1: never missed. What were there two of my favorites? What
Speaker 1: were the big storylines? Because you know from the Golden
Speaker 1: Globes we kind of got a hint of things. But
Speaker 1: now when you get to the SAG Awards, you get
Speaker 1: those through lines from award show to award theme. Yes,
Speaker 1: at which I do love. There tends to be a
Speaker 1: theme that comes out of an award season because the
Speaker 1: same movies are nominated in each show, and so you
Speaker 1: kind of see the same people and you get these stories.
Speaker 1: And the one that I am loving this year is
Speaker 1: actually across a couple of different properties, and you got
Speaker 1: to see it at SAG because they award TV and film, right,
Speaker 1: But is this theme of a second chance later in life?
Speaker 1: We saw Brendan Fraser when Last Night for the Whale
Speaker 1: and you know, Star of the Mummy, Star of School
Speaker 1: Ties and all these movies when he was like young
Speaker 1: and mussle and then we didn't see him for a
Speaker 1: long time and now he's come back in the Renaissance
Speaker 1: and he spoke in his speech he won about the
Speaker 1: courage to hold on and to keep going and to
Speaker 1: put one foot in front of the other and that
Speaker 1: things will happen. And then Kihui Kwan, who we all
Speaker 1: know from Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. He
Speaker 1: was a child star, he was in the goonies, and
Speaker 1: then he basically said there were not, unfortunately terribly opportunities
Speaker 1: for him as an Asian actor in Hollywood, so he
Speaker 1: disappeared for decades, and now decades later he's back winning
Speaker 1: as a first the first time ever an Asian actor
Speaker 1: has won in Best Supporting for Everything, everywhere, all at once,
Speaker 1: and he gosh, I mean, he's tearing up in his
Speaker 1: speech talking about again how he got this chance and
Speaker 1: he didn't think it would happen for him. And then
Speaker 1: Jennifer Coolidge wins for the White Lotus cracks everybody up.
Speaker 1: And she's a woman who is the hottie Stiffler's mom
Speaker 1: in American Pie. She's been legally ever disappoints in her speeches. No,
Speaker 1: I mean from every speech I've heard, I hang on
Speaker 1: every word is. I never know what's coming out of
Speaker 1: her mouth next. Sometimes it's funny, sometimes it's sentimental. I
Speaker 1: love her speeches. She's She's been a great breath of
Speaker 1: fresh air this awards. But listen to what you just said.
Speaker 1: I love that, a breath of fresh air, fresh air
Speaker 1: from someone who is I think Jennifer Cooldge is in
Speaker 1: her sixties and she's talking about how she's getting this
Speaker 1: second chance. And by the way, as we all know
Speaker 1: in Hollywood, opportunities for women tend to get less as
Speaker 1: they get older. Yeah. So it's just been this beautiful,
Speaker 1: like inspiring thing of it doesn't have to be over.
Speaker 1: And I love that because I mean, I always try
Speaker 1: to tell myself, I can't wait to see what's next.
Speaker 1: The best is yet to come, and what you know, well,
Speaker 1: let's let's be real, Chris Harrison, you're seventeen years older
Speaker 1: than me, is the best? What's yet to go? I'm excited.
Speaker 1: It's funny. I just texted this to my daughter this morning,
Speaker 1: that when you wake up and life gives you a
Speaker 1: clean slate, I find that an excite time. She just
Speaker 1: went through something where she has a clean slate in life.
Speaker 1: So did I emotionally when you and I went through
Speaker 1: what we went through, and while it sucked, and I
Speaker 1: would not wish that on anybody, and I didn't want
Speaker 1: to go through that that way. I relish a clean
Speaker 1: slate in life and sticking with your passion, sticking with
Speaker 1: what you love and going for that is I think
Speaker 1: extraordinary and it takes a lot there. I was watching
Speaker 1: golf yesterday. There's this thirty seven year old man, Chris Kirk,
Speaker 1: who won for the first time in eight years. He's
Speaker 1: thirty seven. That's really getting old as far as professional golfers.
Speaker 1: On the PGA tour. You're kind of hoping to get
Speaker 1: to fifty to get to that senior tour. And he's
Speaker 1: not a big star, And so what is it within
Speaker 1: certain people that they will just continue to grind and
Speaker 1: go with this passion. I feel excited about a clean slate.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if Jennifer Coolidge felt like that
Speaker 1: that way, because she's been, you know, staying in this business.
Speaker 1: But I just find it interesting. I think we view light.
Speaker 1: We all view life is very linear, right, which makes
Speaker 1: sense because it's time and it happens linearly as we
Speaker 1: see it every day. But your career, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I grew up thinking and my parents weren't
Speaker 1: wrong for this, but like work hard and do well
Speaker 1: and work your way up in your industry. But acting,
Speaker 1: especially the business weren't in, is so not linear. Like
Speaker 1: you can have zero opportunities and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden everything can change, or you can be like a
Speaker 1: child star and then the opportunities fade away. So it's
Speaker 1: not linear. And I think they're showing like this award
Speaker 1: season is showing a change in Hollywood, like a celebration
Speaker 1: that you can be older and still be doing exciting
Speaker 1: new things. And I love that because gosh, if we're
Speaker 1: not like continuing to grow and evolve as people and
Speaker 1: get better and experience more and learn, than what else
Speaker 1: are we doing? You know? Life is like the stock market.
Speaker 1: It's like it's a roller coaster ride. It's not this
Speaker 1: slow ascension straight up. There are severe ups and downs.
Speaker 1: You did tell me the other day, you said that
Speaker 1: you texted your dad that you were really happy right now.
Speaker 1: I did, ye. I am as happy as I have
Speaker 1: ever been in life. Love professionally. I love having this podcast.
Speaker 1: I love having this platform. I love doing it with you.
Speaker 1: I love that a woman stopped me in the gym
Speaker 1: this morning and said, Chris, I'm listening to your podcast.
Speaker 1: I love hearing from you. I love hearing from Lauren
Speaker 1: and so I love the impact this is head. So
Speaker 1: I love where we are right now. Yeah, and this
Speaker 1: too shall pass and change yes and on to the next. Oh.
Speaker 1: I saw this great quote from Tom Hanks. Let's circle
Speaker 1: back too on that panel. Yes, And he said that
Speaker 1: this thing that sticks with him is this too shall
Speaker 1: pass in both ways, like, this too shall pass. If
Speaker 1: you're going through a tough time, at shall pass. And
Speaker 1: if you're going through a good time, that will pass too.
Speaker 1: So enjoy the moments and appreciate where you're at. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when the critics are crushing you, this too shall pass.
Speaker 1: But he said, when you win an oscar, this too
Speaker 1: shall pass. Yes. Very interesting. One bone to pick with
Speaker 1: the SAG Awards. I've always had this issue with the SAgs,
Speaker 1: which I have covered. I've been on the red carpet.
Speaker 1: Here comes the drama. I'm a member of SAG. Are
Speaker 1: you you are too? So where do you think I'm
Speaker 1: getting my health insurance? We are both SAG after members.
Speaker 1: I have been a SAG member for many years. They
Speaker 1: never recognize reality TV shows. The SAgs represent and celebrate
Speaker 1: TV and film, and they've just never given into the
Speaker 1: reality World. And I remember back in the early two
Speaker 1: thousands when we were really crushing it, Idol was crushing it,
Speaker 1: some of these other shows were really picking up steam,
Speaker 1: and I thought they were going to give in like
Speaker 1: the Emmys did, and they just never have relented in
Speaker 1: that way. So there's no reality TV categories. None. None.
Speaker 1: That's such a good point, because yeah, it's SAG AFTRA,
Speaker 1: I mean, which they combined years ago to include like
Speaker 1: radio televisions. Well, I promise Ryan Seacrest Bergier on me, felk.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're all SAG members. You have to be
Speaker 1: by the way, because shows, I mean to explain it,
Speaker 1: the way shows work is their union shows. So you
Speaker 1: have to be a union member in order to work
Speaker 1: on these shows. And you're right, there's no reality TV
Speaker 1: kind of that's my only bone to pick, and I
Speaker 1: think that is obviously it's it's something a part of
Speaker 1: the industry that was we were the call girl, oh
Speaker 1: if you will of the business. Sure, people love to
Speaker 1: sleep with us, but no one wanted to talk to
Speaker 1: us in the morning. They didn't want to bring you
Speaker 1: out to dinner, they didn't want to take us out
Speaker 1: in public. That's how people looked at reality TV. I'll
Speaker 1: never forget the way the president of ABC spoke of
Speaker 1: The Bachelor in those early days. It was like almost apologetic,
Speaker 1: And now everybody's kind of leaned into it, and even
Speaker 1: some of the biggest stars in our business are doing
Speaker 1: reality shows. So I'm kind of shocked that the SAgs
Speaker 1: have just never gone that direction. Well, we have talked
Speaker 1: before too about I mean, I'm looking up at at
Speaker 1: our mantle right now. You have an Emmy nomination for
Speaker 1: when you hosted Who Wants to Be a Millionaire. But
Speaker 1: I when I was covering the show, always had a
Speaker 1: bone to pick with the Emmys about the fact that
Speaker 1: The Bachelor, you guys never won, were you ever even nominated,
Speaker 1: never nominated for anything in any category, which is nuts.
Speaker 1: You're the number one reality TV show, the work the
Speaker 1: crew did, the production value of The Bachelor, it is
Speaker 1: nuts that it was never nominated. It takes a big campaign.
Speaker 1: We never leaned into the campaign of it all. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: the politics of it is this, and I'm surprised we
Speaker 1: didn't at least get nominated. I agree with that, but
Speaker 1: if the people this is hard politically to say. If
Speaker 1: the person that's running the show is not very popular
Speaker 1: in this business, You're not going to get the votes.
Speaker 1: You're talking you're talking about saying body. I'm just saying anybody,
Speaker 1: any show, if the person running it, the person that
Speaker 1: created it, is not a popular person and somewhat disliked
Speaker 1: in this business, you're not going to get the votes.
Speaker 1: Bruckheimer did amazing Race. They won at nauseum, to the
Speaker 1: point where I was there one year and people were
Speaker 1: kind laughing because American Idol was the Michael Jordan of
Speaker 1: reality TV for a while. It should have just won
Speaker 1: every year. It was just, yeah, it changed television. It
Speaker 1: changed all kinds of things about our business. And it
Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't winning year in a year out.
Speaker 1: It was amazing Race, not that amazing Race. Wasn't a
Speaker 1: beautiful show and shot well and all that. But I
Speaker 1: was disappointed that we didn't win for direction art, you know,
Speaker 1: even some of just the peripheral awards. But yeah, No,
Speaker 1: Bachelor was just completely ignored during awards season, and they
Speaker 1: leaned into it for a while. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: warners like, oh, we're gonna try and win an Emmy.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, we're not. Like if if you didn't
Speaker 1: win By. Now, if you weren't recognized by now, clearly
Speaker 1: you're not liked, you're not going to be nominated. Well
Speaker 1: it's you and Tom Cruise. I'm just confirming here in
Speaker 1: the SAG list. Okay, top Gun Maverick was nominated for
Speaker 1: stunt on Somble in a Motion Picture. I remember. It's only,
Speaker 1: of course, like performance nominations for the SAG Awards, it's
Speaker 1: about acting that stunt. What was that category, stunt onsemble.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know stunt onsemble was a thing, but
Speaker 1: that when top Gun Maverick did not get an ensemble
Speaker 1: nomination overall, wow, um, Tom Cruise not nominated. It's it's
Speaker 1: always interesting to me awards shows struggle to acknowledge the
Speaker 1: biggest movies there are. They don't. That's why the Golden
Speaker 1: Globes got it right. It's a cocktail party and we
Speaker 1: don't care. The foreign press Hollywood forign press is like,
Speaker 1: we don't care. We're just we're going to bring the
Speaker 1: biggest stars in the world, whatever movie they were in,
Speaker 1: we want them on the red carpet. Well, there was
Speaker 1: a lot they got wrong, so a lot they need
Speaker 1: to work on, but they got the big movie thing. Right.
Speaker 1: But one of the things that the SAG's got wrong
Speaker 1: is not representing reality shows. Speaking of reality shows, there
Speaker 1: is a new one on the horizon. It is out.
Speaker 1: It's on Fox. It is called Farmer Wants a Wife.
Speaker 1: You have worn a plaid shirt for it here. I
Speaker 1: have warned plaid shirt to look like a farmer. And
Speaker 1: we are authentic because we're shooting this in Austin, Texas.
Speaker 1: We moved here just for this. No, So I watched
Speaker 1: Farmer Once a Wife. We watched it separately, actually to
Speaker 1: get because we didn't run to watch it together so
Speaker 1: we could get our thoughts on this. It immediately gave
Speaker 1: me Chris Souls vibes right back. Took me back to
Speaker 1: the day with Farmer Chris Souls who lived in Iowa.
Speaker 1: Farmer and I went to his house. We shot there.
Speaker 1: We were in Iowa, and the closest town, my hotel,
Speaker 1: was a good hour away from his house. And that
Speaker 1: was a small town. So the closest he's coming to
Speaker 1: a Starbucks, a good bar, a restaurant. It's an hour away.
Speaker 1: So I get this life of farmer needs a wife
Speaker 1: because farmer ain't meeting anybody unless it has four legs
Speaker 1: and some hoofs. So it is difficult, I get it.
Speaker 1: So but it took me back to that show, which
Speaker 1: I loved. I loved doing that with christ Souls Farmer
Speaker 1: Once a Wife. We sat down, we watched it. It
Speaker 1: instantly gave me the Bachelor meets Yellowstone vibes, but with
Speaker 1: four bachelors. And you're right, I thought of Christuls too,
Speaker 1: because it made me realize how real his struggle was.
Speaker 1: These guys, these four guys on Farmer Once a Wife,
Speaker 1: they're kind of farmers, ranchers. I don't know the difference between,
Speaker 1: like they have cattle, I don't know. But they are
Speaker 1: living in the middle of nowhere. One guy says his
Speaker 1: closest neighbor is two miles away. I'm telling you that's
Speaker 1: I went to Chris's house. It's that's legit. And and
Speaker 1: by the way, it's not even getting on a road.
Speaker 1: You're getting on a dirt road then to get to
Speaker 1: someone else's right. So I have to give this show
Speaker 1: credit on that. I believe it was something I did
Speaker 1: struggle with when covering Bachelor Bachelorette, was believing the reality
Speaker 1: that these people were actually struggling to find love, like
Speaker 1: I'll never forget sitting interviewing. I used to interview the
Speaker 1: leads on their first photoshoots, so before filming had started.
Speaker 1: They're taking their promo photos as the Bachelor Bachelorette, and
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there with the wonderful Jojoe Fletcher, who we love.
Speaker 1: But at the time I had to say to her,
Speaker 1: I'm just meeting her, and I said, I gotta ask you.
Speaker 1: You know you're I think she was twenty four. You're
Speaker 1: twenty four, gorgeous, You've barely gotten out of college. You're beautiful,
Speaker 1: you're fun, you're kind, You're really struggling to find a date.
Speaker 1: This is you're really struggling to find the one. I
Speaker 1: mean at twenty four, you've barely You're not even like
Speaker 1: you've barely been looking for the one yet you haven't
Speaker 1: even put in that much time. So that was something
Speaker 1: I struggled with believing on the show. Jordan Rodgers would argue, yes,
Speaker 1: but with these guys, I mean also, there are four
Speaker 1: guys all in their thirties, Hunter, Alan, Ryan, and Landon.
Speaker 1: Those are your four farmers. And the way this is
Speaker 1: set up, they've they've already done at This is interesting
Speaker 1: because getting into these shows is always the difficult part
Speaker 1: as a producer, And so what I liked is they've
Speaker 1: done some some leg work already. They've shown these guys
Speaker 1: some films, some tapes, some pictures, what have you. They
Speaker 1: narrow it down to eight, So we start with eight,
Speaker 1: then they narrow it down to five that first episode,
Speaker 1: and those five are immediately moving in with these farmers,
Speaker 1: not to the glorious mansion you know in quote unquote Malibu,
Speaker 1: you're moving on to their farm immediately. They're going straight
Speaker 1: to hometowns. Yes, so they basically kind of did interviews
Speaker 1: on paper and then narrowed it down. You do not
Speaker 1: pass goo, you do not get an overnight fantasy suite,
Speaker 1: and you're not get a balloon ride or a nice beach.
Speaker 1: You're going straight to the farm. Straight to that. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I mean they are literally shoveling, Yes, and we're probably
Speaker 1: going to bleep out me saying that, but I don't
Speaker 1: know how manure they're They're shoveling manure metaphorically and literally
Speaker 1: right away. You rarely ever cuss. It's kind of sexy
Speaker 1: when you do. Wow, Well, we're gonna take a time
Speaker 1: out and come benou so well, yeah, and they get
Speaker 1: right into it. And also, like I said, these guys
Speaker 1: are all in their thirties, so I really the believability
Speaker 1: factor on this show for me was pretty high in
Speaker 1: terms of I felt like this is real. These guys
Speaker 1: really have not been able to find someone. Also, all
Speaker 1: the contestants were a little bit older. Which look, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying, of course, in your twenties you deserve to
Speaker 1: find love and you should be looking for it. But
Speaker 1: if we're talking about if we're basing this around the
Speaker 1: narrative of I haven't been able to find love, I
Speaker 1: find it more believable with people who are a bit older,
Speaker 1: because I think you've literally spent the time searching. Well,
Speaker 1: I've done. I did little research on this show. I
Speaker 1: wasn't aware it's already in thirty five countries Farmer once
Speaker 1: a Wife. Yes, it's already around the world, and so
Speaker 1: it's sometimes a concept will either be created in America
Speaker 1: taken around the world, like the Bachelor Bacherette. But sometimes
Speaker 1: we get a foreign concept and international concept and bring
Speaker 1: it to America. And so this has worked around the
Speaker 1: world and now oddly it's just coming to America. You
Speaker 1: would think a show like this would have started here
Speaker 1: because we're you know, we're so into the heartland. It
Speaker 1: always brings up that interesting fish out of water scenario
Speaker 1: in dating, where you're you have the country boys and
Speaker 1: then you have these women from La New York, you know,
Speaker 1: cosmopolitan in their high heels, their beautiful white tennis shoes,
Speaker 1: walking through the muck and the mud. And it brings
Speaker 1: up an interesting point in relationships, is it? And do
Speaker 1: you believe in birds of a feather stick together or
Speaker 1: do you believe in opposite attract? Oh, we were just
Speaker 1: talking about earlier. Yes, um, are you asking me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean, and I think I think maybe both are
Speaker 1: applicable at times. Well, I think that you have to
Speaker 1: find someone who challenges you, like someone who maybe and
Speaker 1: maybe balances you out, has qualities other like you are
Speaker 1: much calmer than I am, so I'm less dramatic, which
Speaker 1: is great for us. But you know, I think, as
Speaker 1: I said before, I think it's about finding someone who
Speaker 1: likes to do the same things. Maybe your personalities balance
Speaker 1: each other out, but you have to be in common
Speaker 1: and how you like to live on, what you want
Speaker 1: to get out of life, how you want to live
Speaker 1: your life, like that's the big question for these people.
Speaker 1: Do you want to really come live on a farm? Right?
Speaker 1: And do you really want to be shoveling the ship
Speaker 1: every day? Because this is real and I love that
Speaker 1: they dropped them right in the middle of it. I
Speaker 1: also kind of you know, another criticism of people on
Speaker 1: reality dating shows has been are they just in it
Speaker 1: for the fame? But these guys, I'm like, yeah, there's
Speaker 1: no fame here and these are their real jobs. I mean,
Speaker 1: one guy's like, I am a fourth generation farmer. This
Speaker 1: is my family's farm. I was thinking. No part of
Speaker 1: me was thinking, oh, these guys are just trying to
Speaker 1: move to LA and get a career as an influencer.
Speaker 1: Like I believe that this is what they're really doing.
Speaker 1: There was one thing that stood out to me because
Speaker 1: I felt like it was standing out to you, Oh
Speaker 1: you're watching it, thinking of how I was watching. Yeah,
Speaker 1: can you think of what that was that stood out
Speaker 1: to me? Where I'm like, oh, she's she's gonna talk
Speaker 1: about Oh it's a little but I wrote it down
Speaker 1: to the stupid saying red, next thing say stupid, But
Speaker 1: I didn't understand them. I think one guy said, did
Speaker 1: you write it down. What were they What did they say? So?
Speaker 1: One farmer said, Ashley's just cuter than a speckled pup
Speaker 1: sleeping under the shade of a wagon wheel. Okay, now
Speaker 1: say it is if you would actually say it, Ashes
Speaker 1: just cut and a speckled pup sleeping under the shade
Speaker 1: of a wagon wheel. This is when you're born in Dallas, Texas.
Speaker 1: Side comes out. Chris will say things, you guys, and
Speaker 1: I don't know what they mean. The one that gets
Speaker 1: me every time is you will say, is if, like,
Speaker 1: in all seriousness, I'm so hungry I could eat the
Speaker 1: crotch out of a loafly and duck. I do say
Speaker 1: that from time to time. What does that mean? I
Speaker 1: don't Honestly, I don't know, and I don't know where
Speaker 1: it came from. They were just sayings in my family. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: crotch happier in clam. There was another saying that I
Speaker 1: have used before. He got it slightly wrong on the show.
Speaker 1: More nervous than a cat and a roomfull of rocking chairs.
Speaker 1: It is a I think the correct redneck saying is
Speaker 1: more nervous than a long tailed cat and a room
Speaker 1: full of rocking chairs. But that was Also, I just knew.
Speaker 1: I knew that was going to stand out to you,
Speaker 1: those redneck sayings. I didn't even know a long tailed
Speaker 1: cat was a real thing. Farmer wants a wife. Yes,
Speaker 1: I look it again, it felt very real to me.
Speaker 1: I'll be interested to see what happens. The question also
Speaker 1: for these farmers is like, on the very first episode,
Speaker 1: one of the guys, one of the first women he
Speaker 1: picks is the woman who says she's from New York
Speaker 1: and she's never even touched a horse. And I'm thinking, Okay, well, buddy,
Speaker 1: we see what your problem is. And that's also the question, right,
Speaker 1: can we pick correctly for ourselves? Well, I'm in. I
Speaker 1: will continue to watch. I'm curious to see how this
Speaker 1: social experiment goes. And speaking of where we're gonna go,
Speaker 1: we're going to take a break when we come back.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Fox, Jenny McCarthy is going to join me
Speaker 1: on the show today. She's on the panel of Mass Singer.
Speaker 1: She has her own podcast, slash radio show. She always
Speaker 1: has something great to say, and I can't wait to
Speaker 1: dive in with Jenny McCarthy when we come back. Jenny McCarthy, Oh,
Speaker 1: are you welcome to Welcome to the most dramatic podcast ever.
Speaker 1: I could not wait. Can I tell you what sex dinner?
Speaker 1: You calling in from the mood lighting behind you? The blue. Now,
Speaker 1: there's two sex stands in this house, but this one
Speaker 1: is for broadcasting. Okay, go great. What where are you?
Speaker 1: I'm in my basement in which sat in Saint Charles, Illinois,
Speaker 1: which is about an hour and a half outside of Chicago,
Speaker 1: and if you will, close to pretty much rural Illinois.
Speaker 1: You know, Laurenzima, my fiance is from Elgin. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's like literally twenty minutes. You guys are neighbors. That's
Speaker 1: why you're both phenomenal people, good Midwestern women. Congratulations on
Speaker 1: another season of The mass Singer. Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: I'm so lucky and blessed because this show is like,
Speaker 1: it's finally something where I can feel proud well, and
Speaker 1: it gets to the point and I don't think you
Speaker 1: ever fully do this, but you can also relax a
Speaker 1: little bit in that you know it's going to come back.
Speaker 1: You know, I remember that tipping point of The Bachelor,
Speaker 1: when you are in the middle of taping You're like,
Speaker 1: I wonder if we'll do this again once you get
Speaker 1: to the point where you can actually enjoy the fact
Speaker 1: that you're already going to know it there are another
Speaker 1: season's on the way. Is exciting, it's it's absolutely but
Speaker 1: you know, in show business the show might go on,
Speaker 1: but you might not. So you think our show is
Speaker 1: going to go on without Jenny mccarthur, You're out of
Speaker 1: your mind. Thank you, thank you, thank you. You know,
Speaker 1: the biggest blessing has been people around the country coming
Speaker 1: up to me and saying, wow, you know, for the
Speaker 1: first time in a very long time. Sometimes ever, my
Speaker 1: child has left their computer at their phone comes in
Speaker 1: next to me to watch this show like we did
Speaker 1: back in the old days. My son likes to say,
Speaker 1: back in the eighteen hundred, think of a crazy concept
Speaker 1: getting together as a family and watching just a fun show,
Speaker 1: right right. And you know it's fun because you know
Speaker 1: people are in mask and they might be a famous
Speaker 1: young YouTuber that you know, us old folks might not know.
Speaker 1: But then you know, we get Dick van Dyke, which
Speaker 1: we cry, all of us adults know. Do you want
Speaker 1: to know a secret that I do? Only Lauren Zema
Speaker 1: knows this. Now I'm going to tell you. Okay, they
Speaker 1: reached out to me to be on the mask thing
Speaker 1: or this season. What, Yeah, well you didn't do it?
Speaker 1: Why well, I don't know if we should spoil it
Speaker 1: that I didn't do it, but um, because I might
Speaker 1: be just taking off one of the animal heads. True,
Speaker 1: you could be you could be no. I I they
Speaker 1: approached me. It is the same casting director that that
Speaker 1: used to cast Dancing with the Stars, and so I
Speaker 1: knew her. I've known her for quite some time, and
Speaker 1: she reached out to me and thought, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: this might be a good fit for you in this
Speaker 1: kind of comeback tour. And so that they approached me. Chris,
Speaker 1: do you sing? I don't? I mean I do. I
Speaker 1: sing loud, but not well. And that's that that was
Speaker 1: leading me to the question. And obviously that's something that
Speaker 1: the majority of celebrities will worry about, is Hey, I
Speaker 1: suck at singing, and it's okay because the show is
Speaker 1: an entertainment show. So it's people like Gronkowski was on
Speaker 1: right and he made it like almost three rounds. I
Speaker 1: think he didn't make it three rounds because he was
Speaker 1: so magnanimous, he was so had so much fun. He
Speaker 1: had the audience, you know, in the palm of his hands.
Speaker 1: So it's really just a matter of if you're having fun,
Speaker 1: then the viewers having fun. Are they tweaking the voice
Speaker 1: at all? I mean we do, Do we get a
Speaker 1: little auto tune? No? Because it is, after all a
Speaker 1: game show, you know, son, You're right, there are Yeah,
Speaker 1: there are standards and practices involved, and lawyers get involved,
Speaker 1: and it has to be all on the up and up. Now.
Speaker 1: Mind you, this is coming from someone that has to
Speaker 1: mouth Happy Birthday at parties because I can't sing right.
Speaker 1: But I will say the one thing that is different
Speaker 1: as a panelist, as a judge, they don't really have
Speaker 1: the speakers near us so the house can hear it.
Speaker 1: So that's why a lot of times we're leaning in interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I get that with a little harder. That's why when
Speaker 1: I watch it at home, I'm like, of course it's
Speaker 1: so and so you can hear it a lot clearer.
Speaker 1: But we take the beatings from you know, you guys
Speaker 1: on Twitter. It's okay that that just makes for the fun.
Speaker 1: But that happened to me a lot during the Bachelor,
Speaker 1: is that, like you said, the speakers would be for
Speaker 1: the crowd and oftentimes somebody was a low talker, and
Speaker 1: I couldn't hear, and I would miss little jabs and
Speaker 1: little things, And you don't realize when you're in that moment.
Speaker 1: It's just hard to pick things up in that audience
Speaker 1: is loud and there's so much going on, and the
Speaker 1: producers are talking in your ear, So there there is
Speaker 1: a lot. I have a behind the scenes question though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I love the show. Yes, it would have been
Speaker 1: better if it were me taking off a pandahead this
Speaker 1: year and just watching your reaction. But when you guys
Speaker 1: are guessing, when the panel is guessing, who's who? Who
Speaker 1: is it? Is that just you guys riffing? Are their
Speaker 1: producers telling you? Because it cracks me up when you're like,
Speaker 1: I think it's Barack Obama. I think it's Beyonce, Now
Speaker 1: it's Bono those Obama is not going to be on
Speaker 1: this show. Listen, if the producers were giving us, it's
Speaker 1: us reaching when we really don't know or can't figure
Speaker 1: out someone like those. A lot of times, when like
Speaker 1: I can't remember that actress's name, I don't want to
Speaker 1: butcher it right. I don't want to be a meme forever,
Speaker 1: so you'll pull out a name that no one that
Speaker 1: everybody knows that everybody that everybody like, is it Charlie
Speaker 1: Throne therein? Damn it totally? And well, you know, Ken
Speaker 1: Jong's got this whole thing now where he's just terrible
Speaker 1: and it's works. You know, Well that's the thing. If
Speaker 1: you're going to be so bad, you got to be consistent.
Speaker 1: He can get away with it one hundred percent. Now,
Speaker 1: mind you, I am very competitive, even though it's a
Speaker 1: fluffy game show. I still like compete to get the
Speaker 1: most right, Like we had golden ears that were given away, yes,
Speaker 1: and I was like, what we're going to compete is
Speaker 1: due who gets them? I mean, I'm literally out of
Speaker 1: my mind. Are there any side bets going on with
Speaker 1: the judges? No? They I think they've given up pretty
Speaker 1: much because I'm really that good. You're just dominating. Well,
Speaker 1: this is the thing. I'm sure those bozo's only read
Speaker 1: Google alerts about themselves, where as me, I'm a pop
Speaker 1: culture you know, the expert. I you know, just having
Speaker 1: to do radio for seven years doing celebrity news, you
Speaker 1: learn about everyone's dirt. So when there's clue packages going on,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I know, who got a divorce recently,
Speaker 1: or I know who went through that traumatic thing. You
Speaker 1: pick up on all those things, whereas they really only
Speaker 1: know about themselves, which I like to make fun of
Speaker 1: themselves for them. Speaking of your show, that's the last
Speaker 1: time I saw you. I was trying to think the
Speaker 1: last time we were together, and it was at your
Speaker 1: show in New York at the XM Studios. It's been
Speaker 1: a while since I've seen you pre COVID all those
Speaker 1: crazy I know, so it's been a while, so it
Speaker 1: almost seems like a blurry dream those years doesn't hit
Speaker 1: missing you, and I always just speak so highly of
Speaker 1: what an amazing person you have always been, and you're
Speaker 1: always such a good supporter. I am gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do a little titbit of about you Tube for a second,
Speaker 1: which was Chris came on on the view and I
Speaker 1: think you're on for a whole week. I was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: my daughter and I came out, but yeah, I co
Speaker 1: hosted for a week for a week, and he was
Speaker 1: so incredible. Of course, it's very good at what he does.
Speaker 1: But we thought me and Cherry were like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: we love him. We need to have him as the
Speaker 1: first male co host on the view. So we went
Speaker 1: to bat Me and Cherry were like, we do need
Speaker 1: the first male calls. It's gotta be Chris. Gotta be Chris.
Speaker 1: He's amazing and you we were so freaking good. It
Speaker 1: was so great to have this male perspective. But you
Speaker 1: did it so well, and I just feel like, now
Speaker 1: looking back, it would have been the meanest thing. If
Speaker 1: I've got you right, that would have been a special
Speaker 1: kind of hell. You introduced me too. But you know
Speaker 1: what's funny. I I came out there because so Barbara
Speaker 1: Walters had this kind of go to executive producer Bill Getty,
Speaker 1: and you know Bill. So Bill kind of ran the
Speaker 1: view and he was the behind the scenes guy, and
Speaker 1: then Barbara was there. So Barbara brought me in that
Speaker 1: week to co host with you, thinking they were possibly
Speaker 1: going to add a guy and that I might be
Speaker 1: that person, and say they brought me in for the
Speaker 1: week to kind of just try it out. And so
Speaker 1: that actually was a topic of discussion for a little
Speaker 1: time with Barbara and with Bill and this obviously before
Speaker 1: Barbara left. It was so fun and it was fun
Speaker 1: back then, you know, it really was fun back then. Yeah,
Speaker 1: things got contentious but it remained fun and level headed exactly. Well.
Speaker 1: The interesting thing is behind the scenes on that is
Speaker 1: you know, when they hired me, they said, you know,
Speaker 1: it was a little too polarizing this show. We want
Speaker 1: to bring a pop culture person to make it light
Speaker 1: and fluffy. Right, there's no one fluffier than myself. I
Speaker 1: could like to fluff you are fluffy, you know, nothing
Speaker 1: too serious and um. Within the first week of you know,
Speaker 1: bring some pop cultures fun, Barbara was like, I miss fighting.
Speaker 1: I missed the debate of politics, and they brought it
Speaker 1: back in and I was After a week, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh no, this is not it is not for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is not. I'm out the best thing you ever did.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. It's you know, it's like I'm one
Speaker 1: of those people that you know, um, you ever have
Speaker 1: those like drunk relatives at the holidays and you kind
Speaker 1: of get I have, like, you know, trauma. Being in
Speaker 1: an Irish Catholic family from Chicago, there's always somebody that
Speaker 1: you're just like and that's what you know, that kind
Speaker 1: of fighting always made me feel like I have a
Speaker 1: hard time watching shows that are you know, that kind
Speaker 1: of brutal. But you watched and you one thing that
Speaker 1: we had common. You watched The Bachelor and Bacherette back
Speaker 1: in the day, and you were into that show, and
Speaker 1: that those shows can give you that uncomfortable feeling. There's
Speaker 1: that new show on Fox, Farmer Wants a Wife. I
Speaker 1: know you love it. I do too, and I know
Speaker 1: you watched it. There are those uncomfortable moments, but it's
Speaker 1: somehow all out of love and so you don't feel
Speaker 1: so bad. That is absolutely correct, you know. And it's
Speaker 1: also you have a little bit of compassion for looking
Speaker 1: at our youths, you know, looking at the younger generation
Speaker 1: of like having to go through it, like you know,
Speaker 1: that's easier than someone that's kind of being really vicious
Speaker 1: and mean. And you got you got these farmers. This
Speaker 1: guy's poor guys are like in the outskirts of nowhere,
Speaker 1: and these women are coming in from Ellie'd be like you,
Speaker 1: Jenny McCarthy rolling up to a ranch in her heels
Speaker 1: like scoop and poop and bail and hay. I mean,
Speaker 1: good luck. And guess what that farmer would have got
Speaker 1: me because we have a ranch where we do all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, and not necessarily we don't have
Speaker 1: animals on it yet, but it's we love it. Like
Speaker 1: the reason why I left La were two reasons. I
Speaker 1: wanted my son to not be raised by a bunch
Speaker 1: of crazy people in LA. There's just too much, you know,
Speaker 1: it's chaotic. But also I was almost forty and still
Speaker 1: looking for love, and I was like, you know, in
Speaker 1: la Um, I just there were so many guys that
Speaker 1: either if you're if you're forty in LA, you have
Speaker 1: to date sixty because the forty year olds can date twenty. Right,
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I don't want to slow down and
Speaker 1: watch a reel of fortune, yet you know I want to.
Speaker 1: I have so much in me still and the down
Speaker 1: to earth feelings I got from Midwest guys. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm going to go back home and
Speaker 1: see if I can find somebody back there. So there
Speaker 1: is something with this show that I feel like I
Speaker 1: was trending way before the show, whereas like there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people that are leaving the big s right,
Speaker 1: you know, looking for love in and moving to these
Speaker 1: world places. Well, the show has had such success, and
Speaker 1: you know, in speaking of your success, and I love
Speaker 1: the fact that you made a concerted effort to find love.
Speaker 1: And that's and if you think, okay, this is v
Speaker 1: Ginnie McCarthy, sex symbol, Playmate of the Year and she
Speaker 1: left to make a real effort to find love. That
Speaker 1: should tell everybody something that you make it a priority.
Speaker 1: That's right, You absolutely make a priority. Not everyone could
Speaker 1: pick up and leave, you know, their jobs, but I
Speaker 1: mean I didn't have a job either. My agent was like,
Speaker 1: you're what you're leaving, but you can make it a
Speaker 1: priority wherever you are. I don't think you have to leave.
Speaker 1: But to your point, to your credit, I love that.
Speaker 1: And when you found Donnie, and this is what I'm
Speaker 1: going to say, an underrated love story. The two of
Speaker 1: you just man, y'all just fit. I love I love
Speaker 1: you guys together, and I love what y'all have done.
Speaker 1: And it's not that you're you know, you're prior relationships
Speaker 1: were pretty public and you thought, okay, you know, Jenny
Speaker 1: and Jim could work. They're cute. I see it. And
Speaker 1: then when you see you and Donnie, you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: that that works totally. You know, it's every day. We
Speaker 1: still get butterflies. We talk about it, we text and
Speaker 1: FaceTime at least, look, he just texts me right now,
Speaker 1: I love you. It's constant. We FaceTime sleep together like
Speaker 1: he's He literally reminds me of me. If there's such
Speaker 1: thing as mirrors in relationships. Even my family and my
Speaker 1: friends are like, oh my god. And it you know,
Speaker 1: it took a long time. I remember putting it out
Speaker 1: there to the universe saying, you know, okay, I'm done
Speaker 1: having to cook anybody like. I don't want anyone medium, rareer.
Speaker 1: I want them well done. They learn their lessons like
Speaker 1: I've done the work here now. So the universe bring
Speaker 1: me the level of vibration that I'm at because I
Speaker 1: kept bringing guys in that I have to pull up
Speaker 1: to my vibration I can make. I'm like I just
Speaker 1: and he turned out to be everything. Speaking of farmer
Speaker 1: once a wife, because those ladies are making a big
Speaker 1: commitment to move. Donnie did that for you, right, he
Speaker 1: moved to Chicago. I never I And by the way,
Speaker 1: Chicago doesn't seem like that bad. But when you say
Speaker 1: Saint Charles, Illinois, which is you know, we've got a
Speaker 1: main street. It's mom and pop stores. He's an E's
Speaker 1: Coast guy. He's a city guy. But when he came here.
Speaker 1: He said, you know what, I've always fell in love
Speaker 1: with the main street small town and he's like, Illinois
Speaker 1: corn fields are different than you know, other kind of rulers,
Speaker 1: but just corn everywhere. But he fell in love. He
Speaker 1: literally I said, do you ever want to move? He said,
Speaker 1: I can never. There's this there's this love. There's this
Speaker 1: down to earth sensibility. You know what it is. We
Speaker 1: live our life here. We don't work our life away.
Speaker 1: We live our life interesting. It's so wonderful, feel like
Speaker 1: what I get from the show. When I watched it too,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, just it. I have a feeling
Speaker 1: those are going to be a lot of girls are
Speaker 1: going to want to date farmers after this. Well, and
Speaker 1: I to your point, I think it's important for the
Speaker 1: woman or you know, I guess there's four. If they
Speaker 1: end up with four, that will not be the square
Speaker 1: peg in a round hole. Hopefully these farmers will see,
Speaker 1: don't just get a city girl to get a city girl.
Speaker 1: It's a girl that you don't need to, as you
Speaker 1: put it, bake any further. Like she's actually willing and
Speaker 1: ready and is a mirror image and ready to blend
Speaker 1: into this life because you can get the opposite of that,
Speaker 1: and it won't work. You know, it won't work real
Speaker 1: quick because when you it's kind of like if you've
Speaker 1: ever gone on vacation thinking it will destress your mind
Speaker 1: and you realize, oh, my mind came with me, right,
Speaker 1: you know, going to a small rural city, your mind
Speaker 1: actually is louder. So if you haven't done the work
Speaker 1: on yourself, those farmers are going to see a real
Speaker 1: quick that they picked, you know, looks over love if
Speaker 1: they don't pick right. You're also an amazing parent. And
Speaker 1: lately you have been talking about twenty year old and
Speaker 1: we both our kids are about the same age. I
Speaker 1: have a twenty one year old nineteen year old Evans
Speaker 1: what twenty twenty? Yeah, twenty it's crazy. And he's venturing
Speaker 1: off into the world of music only one time so far,
Speaker 1: but it is for love. For what he loves music
Speaker 1: or he's using music to find love. He fell in love. Well,
Speaker 1: this is the story and I'll make it quick. Yes,
Speaker 1: his heart got broken by his girlfriend. His girlfriend him,
Speaker 1: and so he was devastated and put and he's such
Speaker 1: a big hearted, loving teddy bear. He mourned and put
Speaker 1: all of his love into this love for his crush.
Speaker 1: They's head Forever, which is Selena Gomez, and he wrote
Speaker 1: these beautiful lyrics and he called me in the room
Speaker 1: and he said, will you take a look at this
Speaker 1: love song I wrote for Selena Gomez? And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's those are nice little words. I love that. That
Speaker 1: was very sweet, patted on the head and left. The
Speaker 1: next thing I know, Johnny said, oh, I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: him like sing to this song. And I'm like, really
Speaker 1: he sings like me though, and he's like, He's like,
Speaker 1: he sounds really good and those the words are sweet.
Speaker 1: And the next thing I know, my ex husband who
Speaker 1: shoots music videos, like, let me put a music video together.
Speaker 1: And while we've got um, he posted his first song
Speaker 1: called um it Doesn't Matter under Evan Asher, so if
Speaker 1: you want to check it out. But Selena Gomez hasn't
Speaker 1: contacted him yet, this is a great story to follow
Speaker 1: up on. Oh God, and every single every two hours
Speaker 1: he asked me if I've heard from Selena Gomez. That's funny. Well,
Speaker 1: so I guess it begs the question then, because I
Speaker 1: am in this camp too with my kids of how
Speaker 1: far you go? Right? You want to help your kids.
Speaker 1: You want to push their dreams and goals and all
Speaker 1: those things, but there's a point where you could, you know,
Speaker 1: get diminishing returns and you can almost hurt them at times.
Speaker 1: And you know, Donnie obviously very well connected the music world.
Speaker 1: You are connected in the media and so and it
Speaker 1: sounds like your ex husband has jumped in. So that's
Speaker 1: a lot you have to try and weigh. That was
Speaker 1: that difficult for you, guys? No, because I know that
Speaker 1: music isn't necessarily his passion. He loves He's in college
Speaker 1: right now for videography. He does really good job with
Speaker 1: his YouTube channel, Gaming USA, and he films. He loves
Speaker 1: filming that whenever I see a spark in him, I
Speaker 1: will put everything I've got behind it. Yeah, this was
Speaker 1: a family affair to help heal someone's heart. You know,
Speaker 1: this is this is more or less why we all
Speaker 1: came to there's a family because my stepson, his stepbrother.
Speaker 1: I wrote the melody, the music to it, and so
Speaker 1: it was a family affair of just you know, making
Speaker 1: even feel better and wanting him to send a song
Speaker 1: to his crush. This is like the new age dysfunctional
Speaker 1: Partridge family completely And you know, It takes a lot
Speaker 1: for me not to just like call her agent or
Speaker 1: publicist to say, how don't you just so it's you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not like pounding social media yet. Yeah, but I'm like,
Speaker 1: let's just give it a few weeks of let's give
Speaker 1: it like a good month and see if you can
Speaker 1: just do this and reach out and you know, maybe
Speaker 1: you'll get a follow or maybe you'll just get a heart.
Speaker 1: It sounds like you are in a wonderful place in life.
Speaker 1: You just seem like you have this balance. This even
Speaker 1: this about you is that accurate? That is one hundred
Speaker 1: percent accurate. I'm so grateful every day. I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: so grateful. I love I love myself, I love my family.
Speaker 1: I'm grateful for health, I'm grateful for my job. It's
Speaker 1: just I'm really at that place. And it took a
Speaker 1: lot of work because there's been a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of crap in my life that I have put
Speaker 1: up with. But it's you know, it's not how you
Speaker 1: get knocked down, it's how you get up. And I
Speaker 1: just keep getting up. Yeah, I was tell my kids,
Speaker 1: it's a roller coaster ride. It's not just this simple
Speaker 1: straight ascent that life doesn't treat you like that. It's true,
Speaker 1: and you know, and you get your feelings hurt. And
Speaker 1: the thing is, you don't run away and quit. You
Speaker 1: just get up and keep going. And I felt like
Speaker 1: I'm always going to be a juggernaut. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna just keep Oh you don't want me, I'm
Speaker 1: going I'm find someone that does. I'm gonna keep going.
Speaker 1: You know, it's been thirty years in this business. You
Speaker 1: know when I've read numerous Oh, her fifteen minutes are up,
Speaker 1: her fifteen minutes are up. Well, I'm still here. I'm
Speaker 1: not betting against you, thanks Chriss. I'm still leading at Wahlburger's.
Speaker 1: Damn it. By the way, I when I was shooting
Speaker 1: Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? In Vegas? I would
Speaker 1: we would shoot. I would stay at Caesar's. But it's
Speaker 1: behind it's actually kind of in front of balleys, and
Speaker 1: we've shot behind ballot, we shoot into the night. We'd
Speaker 1: get done inevitably on our way home, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: there's Wallburgers. We'd stop grab a burger. And by the way,
Speaker 1: it's a good burger. It's a good burg I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give it a little promo Wallburgers. Yeah, it's a good burger.
Speaker 1: Tell Donnie, I'm giving. I'm a plug. I totally will to.
Speaker 1: Speaking of plugs, I do want to ask you a
Speaker 1: question about the Farmer Show, Jennifer. What do you think
Speaker 1: of her as a host? I spoke to Jennifer, and uh,
Speaker 1: she's going to be on one of the shows this
Speaker 1: week as well. She was great, I was, I thought,
Speaker 1: and I told her this, it's easy. It's easy to
Speaker 1: look like a fish out of water in those moments
Speaker 1: you get the country singer. I get it, it's a
Speaker 1: country show, but it's not that simple to blend in.
Speaker 1: I think she did a great job. I told her,
Speaker 1: I want more nettles. They didn't give me enough. They
Speaker 1: didn't give me enough. She came on screen, so she is,
Speaker 1: by the way, lovable, likable, all those things. But sometimes
Speaker 1: you don't read that on screen. Yeah, you absolutely do.
Speaker 1: Like the fact everyone was excited to see her. I mean,
Speaker 1: she's one of those people. It's like, I'd love to
Speaker 1: meet someone that doesn't love Jennifer Nows because because then
Speaker 1: she's just someone who hates puppies. I mean, how do
Speaker 1: you not trite Jennifer Neddles. She was She was great
Speaker 1: and she is lovely. She's talented as can be. But
Speaker 1: I told her it is not an easy thing just
Speaker 1: because you're a country girl to come on a country show.
Speaker 1: She she did it. She did it very well. She's
Speaker 1: talented and you know what she really is. You know
Speaker 1: what's interesting, Chris With these dating shows too, it's like,
Speaker 1: in the beginning, you see these farmers like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I get be doing all these girls. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: with all these girls was so much fun. But then
Speaker 1: you see that turn when it gets hard to let
Speaker 1: people go, and that's you know, it's a very humbling
Speaker 1: moment for to watch. Well, we used to tell The Bachelor,
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, you're all excited, you're dating thirty girls.
Speaker 1: That means you're breaking up with twenty nine people. That's
Speaker 1: that's that's what's going to happen. And remember you're only
Speaker 1: going home with one, so everybody else here you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to say goodbye to and break their heart or
Speaker 1: be dumped by them. And that's exactly. I like the
Speaker 1: girl that in the first episode where the farmer's like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'd love for you to stay on my farm and
Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, no, I'm going back to New York right,
Speaker 1: good for you. Well, the one thing I do love
Speaker 1: too is like they've got the farmers and they've got
Speaker 1: the girls, and it's like a two way street. So
Speaker 1: the girls get to look at the farmers and go,
Speaker 1: I'm more into you than you. Yeah, you know. So
Speaker 1: they get to kind of choose who they want, and
Speaker 1: then the farmers counter near it down. From there they
Speaker 1: decide where they're going to Cowboy up right and the
Speaker 1: girl there's a girl. I want you guys to keep
Speaker 1: up Cassidy Joe. I got a kick out of her
Speaker 1: Last bunks Bunk, Cassie Joe, Last bunk, Yeah, Cassie Joe,
Speaker 1: speaking of spunk, You're just the best, and I so
Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on. I've missed you. Our paths across
Speaker 1: many times in this business, and I've loved every moment
Speaker 1: we've had a chance to work together, beside each other,
Speaker 1: beyond each other's shows. You're just one of those people
Speaker 1: in life. Every time I get to bump into I'm
Speaker 1: so happy you too. I hope you know that I
Speaker 1: mean that, And I'm always like I want to do
Speaker 1: something now. Chris he's so talented and so down to earth.
Speaker 1: We just we must have been related in another life
Speaker 1: because it's just too easy. It is. It's been phenomenal.
Speaker 1: I'm glad we've had the chance to work to you,
Speaker 1: and I'm so excited by the way the ratings are
Speaker 1: crushing it again for massing Or. I was really nervously
Speaker 1: looking at it because I knew you were going to
Speaker 1: be on the show and I'm like, Okay, I hope
Speaker 1: the premier is big, and it did. It premiered huge again,
Speaker 1: and we've got great theme nights, you guys. The theme
Speaker 1: nights are out of this world this season. Jennifer's on right,
Speaker 1: Jennifer Nettles is a guest panel She's a guest panelist
Speaker 1: this season. And we've got the like eighties themes, DC Heroes,
Speaker 1: Sesame Street, and New York Theme is this week, so
Speaker 1: you may check it out because it's really really fun. Well,
Speaker 1: the only thing that would have made it worse is
Speaker 1: if I had been there taking off the awesol lot head. Oh,
Speaker 1: I hope you do come one season in the future.
Speaker 1: Never know, you never know. I do know this. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you and thank you so much for being on
Speaker 1: the show of course, of course, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I'll talk to you soon, my friend, you got it
Speaker 1: by hunt My thanks to Jenny McCarthy. Just one of
Speaker 1: those people that I have been blessed to get to
Speaker 1: know in my career and just love her to death.
Speaker 1: Just always positive, always a pleasant person to be around
Speaker 1: and work with. And now that she's gone, I want
Speaker 1: to give her a shameless plug because she has a
Speaker 1: new line, a lip gloss line called Formless Beauty. If
Speaker 1: you want to check it out, go to formless Beauty
Speaker 1: dot com. And pretty interesting about the mass singer, and
Speaker 1: it was funny. I hadn't even thought about being offered
Speaker 1: that till she was coming on the show, and it
Speaker 1: raises the question would I ever do it? I'll never sing,
Speaker 1: never to anything. I love music. I do love to sing.
Speaker 1: I'm not great at it, but I can get through it.
Speaker 1: Like anything. The timing has to be right, so we
Speaker 1: will see. Maybe I'll be taking off that panda head someday.
Speaker 1: But thanks for joining us today, and thanks to my
Speaker 1: guest Jenny McCarthy. Just the best, and you are the best.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you being with me each and every week
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