WEBVTT - A Dramatic new Dating Show 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:04.840 This is the most dramatic podcast ever and I heart 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:09.920 radio podcast. Hello everybody, and welcome to the most dramatic 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:14.360 podcast ever. I am Chris Harrison, join once again by 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:17.320 the lovely Laurenzima, who is back with this this week. 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:21.439 Tan rested and ready to keel it up after a 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:25.360 girl's trip. Wow, maybe too much tequila. I mean, when 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:27.200 you're drinking every day, you got to stop it at 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:29.800 some point. At some point when you're on vacation, you're 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:33.680 thinking I need a vacation from Yes, my liver needs 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:37.040 a spa. Yes, But I'm glad you're home. I'm glad 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:39.120 you're back. By the way, thank you for giving me 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:41.600 a mention while I was gone. I loved what you 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:43.519 said about how we take time to do things that 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:46.720 are important to each of us, to have girls trips, 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:49.239 have guys trips, and I like missing you. It's nice 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:51.159 to miss you. It was one of the things that 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:54.800 I loved quickly about you is that your friends are 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:58.240 dear to you. You make them a priority along with 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:02.200 your family, and that was clear that, Hey, you still 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:05.240 need to keep your life. I'm going to keep mine. 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:08.400 They will blend clearly, and that's one of the beautiful 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:11.200 things about a relationship, but we also got to keep 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:15.679 our separate lives going for our individuality but also to 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:17.520 feed our soul in those ways. And I love that. 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:20.200 It's an important balance to find because I do think 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:23.479 people sometimes you walk that dangerous line of thinking opposites 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:26.200 attract and then you wind up with somebody who you 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:27.920 have nothing in common with, Like you have to like 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:29.920 to do the same things, but at the same time, 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:32.440 you have to have your own things, because it's exciting 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:35.800 to tell somebody about your day and to show them 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:38.160 something you love and teach them about it. And in 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:41.520 this case, I loved tequila and girlfriends. But anyway, we 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:43.360 also talk about I could go on a rant about this, 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:44.640 but you know what we talk about a lot is 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:46.759 the difference between a girl's trip and a guy's trip. 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:49.960 Like I always say, when me and my girlfriends go 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:53.680 on a trip, the activity is talking, right. We are 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:56.280 talking the whole time. We are diving in like how 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:58.600 is your marriage, what's going on with you? We get deep, 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:01.440 we probably cry at some point, and then when you 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:04.240 come back from like a guy's golf, Guys base their 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:07.960 trips on an activity, right, So our activity is we're 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:11.280 going hunting, we're going fishing, we're going golfing. So we 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:14.680 have an activity and around that there might be some 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:19.639 talk possibly that goes deep. But we have an activity, 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:23.160 whereas your activity is we're going to be together and 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:26.240 just talk. Well, we could really dig into all this. 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:28.040 It might be a whole episode on its side. Do 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:30.960 this someday because it is fascinating and how women talk 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:34.440 and will actually well, I don't want to go too far, 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:37.400 but we will get into this someday. I think sleeping 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:40.119 arrangements are very interesting to me, and that I don't 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:41.880 want to scratch the surface, because once we get going, 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:45.600 we will dive into this rabbit hole. It is award season, Elsie. 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:50.600 You are obviously deep into this world, having worked at 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:52.639 entertainment tonight for the better part of a decade. Well 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:55.079 you are too, mister. You did money Red Carpets for 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:57.400 Team I did actually a little known fact because very 0:02:57.400 --> 0:03:00.440 little of you watched this, but I was on the 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.359 Red carpet for TV Guide. I executive produced and hosted 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:05.640 the Red Carpet for TV Guide for many years. So 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:09.400 obviously did the Globes, the SAG Awards, which were last night. 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:11.840 The Grammys and the Oscars. Those are the big four 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:15.560 of the redheaded step children. The SAG Awards are kind 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:20.440 of the lesser known, lesser talked about publicly but privately 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:23.320 within Hollywood. It is a very time honored tradition because 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:27.280 it's so personal. It is the Screen Actors Guild. Well, 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:28.960 what's interesting is a lot of people are saying that 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:32.280 this awards show last night was just a really good show, 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:34.160 like that the speeches were fun, that it was just 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:36.760 enjoyable to watch. I mean, of course, we get into 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:39.000 the most dramatic headlines every week, and what's more dramatic 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:41.800 than a bunch of actors in a room together. But 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:46.280 you and I wanted to talk about it because it's 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:49.840 interesting too, Like one, you know, we talk about both 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:54.800 being in TV, not just the content itself, but how 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:57.760 people receive it. And we were wondering how many people 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:00.600 were going to watch these SAG Awards because it was 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:04.920 live streamed on Netflix's YouTube channel. I went and checked 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:08.320 it had almost a million views as of Monday morning. 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:11.560 What do you think, mister ratings guy? You always follow 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:13.560 the ratings. You follow TV ratings for a long time. 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:17.880 I mean, look, I know a certain show that doesn't 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:20.720 get three million viewers. So for something online to get 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:23.080 a million viewers, and that's really kind of where the 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:26.760 standard is now. So it's interesting to me that they 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:28.640 have leaned into and you said they're going to come 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:30.800 on Netflix next year, on lave next year, it's going 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:33.320 to be live streamed on Netflix's main I mean, not 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:36.640 just on Netflix. It's look, we've both seen this business 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:39.320 go through so much change over the past couple of years. 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:43.440 I mean, I don't think people don't awards shows like 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:45.880 the Oscars the Emmys, even though you have the biggest 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:47.760 stars in the world. I don't think they're going to 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.960 ever get the numbers they once did, but people do 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:53.279 still talk about it online. I mean, it kind of 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:55.880 sucks for the broadcast networks because people don't watch the 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:58.640 main show and that's where they get their advertising dollars. 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:00.800 But and I'll be as we're about to sit here 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:02.200 and talk about it, you and I did not watch 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:05.480 the SAG Awards. We're just looking at the clips this moment. Ironically, 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:07.799 I was on Netflix. I was watching the new season 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:10.600 of Drive to Survive, which I'm addicted to, which is phenomenal, 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:12.640 and I'm not even a car guy. I just love 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:14.719 the soap opera storylines of it. I think it's a 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:17.599 great reality show. But yeah, I was on Netflix but 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:21.080 not watching the SAG Awards. Yes, and look to your 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:25.520 point is it's not a novelty anymore to see the 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:28.279 big stars. When I was growing up, and it's not 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:31.200 that long ago, the only time you could see big 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:35.800 stars Julia Roberts, Tom Hanks, George Clooney, whatever was if 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:38.119 you tuned in to the Red Carpet, if you tuned 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:40.920 into the Big Show. Now, it was the only opportunity 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:42.800 to see them in kind of a natural moment. I mean, 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:46.720 interviews aren't the most natural, but an interview, yes, at 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:48.680 the time it was novel, and now it's not even 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:53.120 noiving a speech because of social media, because of you know, 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:56.360 just just this saturation of ways that we can get 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:59.800 to these celebrities. There are very few that have kept 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:01.920 their distance. I mean, you don't hear a lot of 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:04.360 Tom Hanks, But even a guy like Tom Hanks, I've 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:06.000 seen him. I've seen him on the round table, I've 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:09.479 seen him doing certain things now where I just see 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:11.120 him more so if I see him on the Red Carpet, 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.280 it's not like, oh my gosh, I haven't. I haven't 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:16.320 seen this guy speak outside of this movie in a year. 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:20.880 And even Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise was on Netflix's special 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:24.760 last night. He was on Drive to Survive. When else 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:28.040 would you ever see Tom Cruise? A guy like Tom Cruise? 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:30.920 But he was in the pits of the Mercedes drivers 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:33.120 last night. He was not at the Sagoars. He was not. 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:36.320 I don't know if he was nominated. Actually, if not, 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:39.120 he should have been for Top Gun. Was he? I 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.960 don't think he was nominated Top Guns should have been nominated. 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:43.320 I'm not sure. I'm gonna have to look this up 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:46.680 really quick. But anyway, so people don't watch it as much, 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:49.560 but the little, you know, speeches still go viral. We 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:51.720 still talk about the red carpet looks. By the way, 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:53.880 shout out to my personal faves. I don't know if 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:57.960 he looked up the looks, but Zendea, Quinta Brunson, Haley 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:00.320 Lou Richardson from The White Lotus looked at me saying 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:03.320 given a shout out to a couple of guys. Austin 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:06.720 Butler rock in a great suit and Eddie Redmain had 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:10.200 like a big bow tie situation and I enjoyed it. 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:14.040 So there were some good looks. Zendan Quinton Brunson just 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:15.760 never missed. What were there two of my favorites? What 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:19.160 were the big storylines? Because you know from the Golden 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:21.920 Globes we kind of got a hint of things. But 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:24.440 now when you get to the SAG Awards, you get 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:27.760 those through lines from award show to award theme. Yes, 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:29.640 at which I do love. There tends to be a 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.120 theme that comes out of an award season because the 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:34.160 same movies are nominated in each show, and so you 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:36.120 kind of see the same people and you get these stories. 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:39.000 And the one that I am loving this year is 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:41.520 actually across a couple of different properties, and you got 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:45.280 to see it at SAG because they award TV and film, right, 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:51.040 But is this theme of a second chance later in life? 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:54.440 We saw Brendan Fraser when Last Night for the Whale 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:57.280 and you know, Star of the Mummy, Star of School 0:07:57.320 --> 0:07:59.520 Ties and all these movies when he was like young 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:02.440 and mussle and then we didn't see him for a 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:04.560 long time and now he's come back in the Renaissance 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:07.240 and he spoke in his speech he won about the 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:09.240 courage to hold on and to keep going and to 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:10.520 put one foot in front of the other and that 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:14.360 things will happen. And then Kihui Kwan, who we all 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:17.280 know from Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. He 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:19.360 was a child star, he was in the goonies, and 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:24.240 then he basically said there were not, unfortunately terribly opportunities 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:26.320 for him as an Asian actor in Hollywood, so he 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:30.920 disappeared for decades, and now decades later he's back winning 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:33.680 as a first the first time ever an Asian actor 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:37.200 has won in Best Supporting for Everything, everywhere, all at once, 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:39.840 and he gosh, I mean, he's tearing up in his 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:43.360 speech talking about again how he got this chance and 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:45.400 he didn't think it would happen for him. And then 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:48.520 Jennifer Coolidge wins for the White Lotus cracks everybody up. 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.960 And she's a woman who is the hottie Stiffler's mom 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:55.960 in American Pie. She's been legally ever disappoints in her speeches. No, 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:59.320 I mean from every speech I've heard, I hang on 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:01.719 every word is. I never know what's coming out of 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:05.640 her mouth next. Sometimes it's funny, sometimes it's sentimental. I 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:08.840 love her speeches. She's She's been a great breath of 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:11.360 fresh air this awards. But listen to what you just said. 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:14.400 I love that, a breath of fresh air, fresh air 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:18.360 from someone who is I think Jennifer Cooldge is in 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:20.920 her sixties and she's talking about how she's getting this 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:23.040 second chance. And by the way, as we all know 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:26.920 in Hollywood, opportunities for women tend to get less as 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:31.319 they get older. Yeah. So it's just been this beautiful, 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:35.080 like inspiring thing of it doesn't have to be over. 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:38.200 And I love that because I mean, I always try 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:41.080 to tell myself, I can't wait to see what's next. 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:44.720 The best is yet to come, and what you know, well, 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:47.600 let's let's be real, Chris Harrison, you're seventeen years older 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:50.800 than me, is the best? What's yet to go? I'm excited. 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:53.640 It's funny. I just texted this to my daughter this morning, 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:57.560 that when you wake up and life gives you a 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:01.480 clean slate, I find that an excite time. She just 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:03.960 went through something where she has a clean slate in life. 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:07.040 So did I emotionally when you and I went through 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:09.679 what we went through, and while it sucked, and I 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:12.080 would not wish that on anybody, and I didn't want 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:16.040 to go through that that way. I relish a clean 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:21.160 slate in life and sticking with your passion, sticking with 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:25.000 what you love and going for that is I think 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.600 extraordinary and it takes a lot there. I was watching 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:30.200 golf yesterday. There's this thirty seven year old man, Chris Kirk, 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:33.320 who won for the first time in eight years. He's 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:37.920 thirty seven. That's really getting old as far as professional golfers. 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:40.280 On the PGA tour. You're kind of hoping to get 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:42.920 to fifty to get to that senior tour. And he's 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:45.760 not a big star, And so what is it within 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:49.840 certain people that they will just continue to grind and 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:54.400 go with this passion. I feel excited about a clean slate. 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:56.640 And I don't know if Jennifer Coolidge felt like that 0:10:56.640 --> 0:11:00.600 that way, because she's been, you know, staying in this business. 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:03.360 But I just find it interesting. I think we view light. 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:05.960 We all view life is very linear, right, which makes 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:09.400 sense because it's time and it happens linearly as we 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:13.160 see it every day. But your career, you know, I 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:16.080 don't know. I grew up thinking and my parents weren't 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:17.760 wrong for this, but like work hard and do well 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:20.000 and work your way up in your industry. But acting, 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:23.319 especially the business weren't in, is so not linear. Like 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:26.800 you can have zero opportunities and then all of a 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:28.839 sudden everything can change, or you can be like a 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:31.800 child star and then the opportunities fade away. So it's 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:35.840 not linear. And I think they're showing like this award 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:39.240 season is showing a change in Hollywood, like a celebration 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:42.000 that you can be older and still be doing exciting 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:47.439 new things. And I love that because gosh, if we're 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:49.760 not like continuing to grow and evolve as people and 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:53.439 get better and experience more and learn, than what else 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:56.920 are we doing? You know? Life is like the stock market. 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:59.160 It's like it's a roller coaster ride. It's not this 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:03.160 slow ascension straight up. There are severe ups and downs. 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:04.920 You did tell me the other day, you said that 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:07.320 you texted your dad that you were really happy right now. 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:10.080 I did, ye. I am as happy as I have 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:15.920 ever been in life. Love professionally. I love having this podcast. 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:18.000 I love having this platform. I love doing it with you. 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:19.840 I love that a woman stopped me in the gym 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:22.520 this morning and said, Chris, I'm listening to your podcast. 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:25.079 I love hearing from you. I love hearing from Lauren 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:27.880 and so I love the impact this is head. So 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:30.240 I love where we are right now. Yeah, and this 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:33.360 too shall pass and change yes and on to the next. Oh. 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:35.600 I saw this great quote from Tom Hanks. Let's circle 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:38.480 back too on that panel. Yes, And he said that 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:41.520 this thing that sticks with him is this too shall 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:44.480 pass in both ways, like, this too shall pass. If 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:46.480 you're going through a tough time, at shall pass. And 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:48.720 if you're going through a good time, that will pass too. 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:51.240 So enjoy the moments and appreciate where you're at. Yeah, 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:53.440 when the critics are crushing you, this too shall pass. 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:55.640 But he said, when you win an oscar, this too 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.839 shall pass. Yes. Very interesting. One bone to pick with 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:02.679 the SAG Awards. I've always had this issue with the SAgs, 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:04.360 which I have covered. I've been on the red carpet. 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:07.800 Here comes the drama. I'm a member of SAG. Are 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:11.040 you you are too? So where do you think I'm 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:14.880 getting my health insurance? We are both SAG after members. 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:17.880 I have been a SAG member for many years. They 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:24.359 never recognize reality TV shows. The SAgs represent and celebrate 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:28.120 TV and film, and they've just never given into the 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:30.959 reality World. And I remember back in the early two 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:34.839 thousands when we were really crushing it, Idol was crushing it, 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:37.920 some of these other shows were really picking up steam, 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:39.480 and I thought they were going to give in like 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:43.480 the Emmys did, and they just never have relented in 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:48.200 that way. So there's no reality TV categories. None. None. 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:51.120 That's such a good point, because yeah, it's SAG AFTRA, 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:53.960 I mean, which they combined years ago to include like 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:57.600 radio televisions. Well, I promise Ryan Seacrest Bergier on me, felk. 0:13:57.920 --> 0:13:59.960 I mean, we're all SAG members. You have to be 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:01.640 by the way, because shows, I mean to explain it, 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:03.640 the way shows work is their union shows. So you 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:05.839 have to be a union member in order to work 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.520 on these shows. And you're right, there's no reality TV 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:10.679 kind of that's my only bone to pick, and I 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:14.240 think that is obviously it's it's something a part of 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:19.720 the industry that was we were the call girl, oh 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:22.400 if you will of the business. Sure, people love to 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:24.760 sleep with us, but no one wanted to talk to 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:26.480 us in the morning. They didn't want to bring you 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:28.360 out to dinner, they didn't want to take us out 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:31.320 in public. That's how people looked at reality TV. I'll 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:33.680 never forget the way the president of ABC spoke of 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:37.320 The Bachelor in those early days. It was like almost apologetic, 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:40.280 And now everybody's kind of leaned into it, and even 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:42.480 some of the biggest stars in our business are doing 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:45.520 reality shows. So I'm kind of shocked that the SAgs 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:48.640 have just never gone that direction. Well, we have talked 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.640 before too about I mean, I'm looking up at at 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:54.320 our mantle right now. You have an Emmy nomination for 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:56.240 when you hosted Who Wants to Be a Millionaire. But 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:58.400 I when I was covering the show, always had a 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:00.760 bone to pick with the Emmys about the fact that 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:04.080 The Bachelor, you guys never won, were you ever even nominated, 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:07.200 never nominated for anything in any category, which is nuts. 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:11.240 You're the number one reality TV show, the work the 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:14.480 crew did, the production value of The Bachelor, it is 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:17.000 nuts that it was never nominated. It takes a big campaign. 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:19.760 We never leaned into the campaign of it all. I mean, look, 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:23.680 the politics of it is this, and I'm surprised we 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:26.400 didn't at least get nominated. I agree with that, but 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:31.040 if the people this is hard politically to say. If 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:33.800 the person that's running the show is not very popular 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:37.360 in this business, You're not going to get the votes. 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:41.520 You're talking you're talking about saying body. I'm just saying anybody, 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:43.760 any show, if the person running it, the person that 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:47.680 created it, is not a popular person and somewhat disliked 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:49.920 in this business, you're not going to get the votes. 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:56.520 Bruckheimer did amazing Race. They won at nauseum, to the 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.720 point where I was there one year and people were 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:02.960 kind laughing because American Idol was the Michael Jordan of 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:04.800 reality TV for a while. It should have just won 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:08.200 every year. It was just, yeah, it changed television. It 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:11.040 changed all kinds of things about our business. And it 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:13.480 you know, it wasn't winning year in a year out. 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:15.760 It was amazing Race, not that amazing Race. Wasn't a 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:18.000 beautiful show and shot well and all that. But I 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:22.240 was disappointed that we didn't win for direction art, you know, 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:25.400 even some of just the peripheral awards. But yeah, No, 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.680 Bachelor was just completely ignored during awards season, and they 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:30.240 leaned into it for a while. All of a sudden, 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:31.920 warners like, oh, we're gonna try and win an Emmy. 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.560 I'm like, no, we're not. Like if if you didn't 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:37.120 win By. Now, if you weren't recognized by now, clearly 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:41.280 you're not liked, you're not going to be nominated. Well 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:43.880 it's you and Tom Cruise. I'm just confirming here in 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:47.640 the SAG list. Okay, top Gun Maverick was nominated for 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:52.520 stunt on Somble in a Motion Picture. I remember. It's only, 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:55.560 of course, like performance nominations for the SAG Awards, it's 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:58.920 about acting that stunt. What was that category, stunt onsemble. 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:00.960 I didn't even know stunt onsemble was a thing, but 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:04.800 that when top Gun Maverick did not get an ensemble 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:10.040 nomination overall, wow, um, Tom Cruise not nominated. It's it's 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:12.920 always interesting to me awards shows struggle to acknowledge the 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:15.639 biggest movies there are. They don't. That's why the Golden 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:18.040 Globes got it right. It's a cocktail party and we 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:20.560 don't care. The foreign press Hollywood forign press is like, 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:22.600 we don't care. We're just we're going to bring the 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:24.639 biggest stars in the world, whatever movie they were in, 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:26.440 we want them on the red carpet. Well, there was 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:29.040 a lot they got wrong, so a lot they need 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:31.399 to work on, but they got the big movie thing. Right. 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:33.520 But one of the things that the SAG's got wrong 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:49.120 is not representing reality shows. Speaking of reality shows, there 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:51.600 is a new one on the horizon. It is out. 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:57.439 It's on Fox. It is called Farmer Wants a Wife. 0:17:57.760 --> 0:17:59.520 You have worn a plaid shirt for it here. I 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:03.600 have warned plaid shirt to look like a farmer. And 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:06.840 we are authentic because we're shooting this in Austin, Texas. 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:09.640 We moved here just for this. No, So I watched 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:13.040 Farmer Once a Wife. We watched it separately, actually to 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:14.600 get because we didn't run to watch it together so 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:18.560 we could get our thoughts on this. It immediately gave 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:23.119 me Chris Souls vibes right back. Took me back to 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:26.639 the day with Farmer Chris Souls who lived in Iowa. 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:30.360 Farmer and I went to his house. We shot there. 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:34.080 We were in Iowa, and the closest town, my hotel, 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:37.479 was a good hour away from his house. And that 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:40.720 was a small town. So the closest he's coming to 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:46.840 a Starbucks, a good bar, a restaurant. It's an hour away. 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:51.320 So I get this life of farmer needs a wife 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:54.760 because farmer ain't meeting anybody unless it has four legs 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:57.159 and some hoofs. So it is difficult, I get it. 0:18:57.160 --> 0:18:58.720 So but it took me back to that show, which 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:01.800 I loved. I loved doing that with christ Souls Farmer 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.880 Once a Wife. We sat down, we watched it. It 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:10.680 instantly gave me the Bachelor meets Yellowstone vibes, but with 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:13.720 four bachelors. And you're right, I thought of Christuls too, 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:17.879 because it made me realize how real his struggle was. 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:20.880 These guys, these four guys on Farmer Once a Wife, 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:24.400 they're kind of farmers, ranchers. I don't know the difference between, 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:27.400 like they have cattle, I don't know. But they are 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:29.159 living in the middle of nowhere. One guy says his 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:33.200 closest neighbor is two miles away. I'm telling you that's 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:36.520 I went to Chris's house. It's that's legit. And and 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:37.880 by the way, it's not even getting on a road. 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:40.080 You're getting on a dirt road then to get to 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:42.960 someone else's right. So I have to give this show 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:46.080 credit on that. I believe it was something I did 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:51.480 struggle with when covering Bachelor Bachelorette, was believing the reality 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:54.800 that these people were actually struggling to find love, like 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:57.359 I'll never forget sitting interviewing. I used to interview the 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:01.080 leads on their first photoshoots, so before filming had started. 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:03.560 They're taking their promo photos as the Bachelor Bachelorette, and 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:06.080 I'm sitting there with the wonderful Jojoe Fletcher, who we love. 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:08.479 But at the time I had to say to her, 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:11.440 I'm just meeting her, and I said, I gotta ask you. 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:13.400 You know you're I think she was twenty four. You're 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:18.159 twenty four, gorgeous, You've barely gotten out of college. You're beautiful, 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:23.800 you're fun, you're kind, You're really struggling to find a date. 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:25.879 This is you're really struggling to find the one. I 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:28.560 mean at twenty four, you've barely You're not even like 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:30.360