1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this spinoff episode of 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: day Zeitgeist, which we're calling the Iconograph. Instead of looking 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: at the zeitgeist through the day's news and current events 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: on Monday mornings, we're looking back at the zeitgeist through 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: the powerful pop cultural hore cruxes that are our icons. Icons. 6 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: We use these historical figures and famous characters to create meaning, meaning, 7 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: to build identity, to learn how to deliver the greatest 8 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: career breakup of all time, to know what the phrase 9 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:39,319 Speaker 1: over the shoulder boulder holder means. In my case, that's 10 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: how I learned that phrase was Dolly Parton jokes when 11 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: I was six years old. And most importantly, we learn 12 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: how to compliment someone into not fucking your man. That's right. 13 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: Today we're talking about Saint Dolly Parton, the Dolly Mama, 14 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: a modern day religious figure. Among many other things. We 15 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: talk about people putting their religion into celebrity culture and 16 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: their icons, and as old fashioned religion fades away, this 17 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: is maybe our best active experiment in that it really 18 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 1: feels like this is as close to a living religious 19 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: figure as we've covered on the Iconograph to this point. 20 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: I'm joined as always by my co host mister Miles 21 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 1: grad Dolly Dolly Man, I'm ready. 22 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: I love Dolly, and I know nothing about Dolly Parton, 23 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 2: like truly nothing, like I fuck with the music, but 24 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 2: I don't. I think everything. I'm just so glad we 25 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 2: have the perfect guest today because I'm not gonna lie. 26 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 2: I went from I think I remember very early on, 27 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 2: I like, on the show, I played the forty five 28 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: version of Jolene sped up and how it's just like 29 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: a fucking whole other banger. And I remember Lydia coming 30 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 2: on and talking about it. Oh yeah, it was getting 31 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 2: me so gassed up about Dolly Partner. Oh, Dolly Parton's 32 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 2: like sick, right, Dolly Parton is tight, Okay, okay, yeah yeah. 33 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: And so I'm ready. I'm ready, tom ready. I don't 34 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: know if I'm ready. This is going to be the 35 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: first time that we've had a guest who knows more 36 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 1: about the subjects than me. After the week Jack research, 37 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: We're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by 38 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: a hilarious comedian. One of our favorite guests on TDZ, 39 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: Dave Girl, once touched her arm and said, hey, you're 40 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: pretty funny, so maybe she can come back for the 41 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: Nirvana episode. You can see her on stages everywhere, and 42 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: she is our resident Dolly Parton expert. Is Lydia popave. 43 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 3: Let me just say, first and foremost, I'm so thrilled 44 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 3: to be here to talk about the only thing that 45 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 3: I truly care about in life, which is Dolly Parton. 46 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 3: Is the thing he keeps me moving every single day, 47 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 3: all thinks through Dolly. I love her dearly. She's the 48 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 3: greatest American songwriter of our time. I mean, I could 49 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 3: go on, I could do this podcast literally by myself. 50 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: I'm so glad you guys. Should we just get out 51 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: of the way. Honestly, I think we fucked up the 52 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:13,839 Speaker 1: wrong earl. I remember there is a point where chat, wait, 53 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: there's a point where you're trying to acquire Dolly Parton 54 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: pinball machine, and like I was invested in that ship. 55 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: I was like, God, I hope Lydia gets the Dolly 56 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: Parton pinball machine. 57 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 3: And also in my living room, Yeah, it's actually it's 58 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 3: it's in my it's my den where I'm sitting right now, 59 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 3: I'm sitting across from it. It's it's literally I own it, 60 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 3: it is mine, I have it. 61 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 2: She is me I would say that our like our 62 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 2: our love of Dolly, I think is directly tied to 63 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 2: Lydia's enthusiasm about Dolly Parton, because every time, like when 64 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 2: the airport like renaming the airport thing came up. 65 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I was like, I was like, Lyddy, 66 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: you know what. Of course I fucking started it. And 67 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: then I'm like, oh, ship, my bad. 68 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 3: If you hear something about Dolly and it seems in 69 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 3: the streets, we yeah, probably evolved. 70 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: Look, keep watching the news piece, you might catch footage. 71 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 3: Right. 72 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: I think there's four. 73 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 3: Times last year, just actually six times last year talking 74 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 3: about Dolly partner. 75 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, And now so you're on the news, welcome 76 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: to the news talking about Dolly FLA. So just in 77 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: summary broadly in terms of where Dolly stands right now, 78 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: because we do like to talk about what is her iconography. 79 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: She has one of the highest Q ratings of any celebrity. 80 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: We haven't mentioned Q ratings much on this podcast, but 81 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: it's weird we haven't because it is essentially a measure 82 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: of like how iconic somebody is. She's like top ten 83 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: most popular celebrities in the world. Also has the lowest 84 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: negative rating of anyone that there's just like no negative 85 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: sentiment out there towards her. In looking back over her career, 86 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: I think the love for her is due to you know, 87 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: her career and talent, her personality. Like I feel like 88 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: the best lines, like I watched nine to five, you know, 89 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: listen to her songs. I think the best lines that 90 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: I heard anywhere were not anything written for her. It's 91 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: like the shit that she just says off the cuff 92 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: rights as a human being. But also like in terms 93 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 1: of the religious part, because I don't think that's just 94 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: coming from well, this is a celebrity people like so 95 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: much and therefore people have like a affinity for her 96 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: that is quasi religious. She does seem to both be 97 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: giving off good energy and getting back good energy in return, 98 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,799 Speaker 1: like in a way that like there's just a glow, 99 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: the like dow of Dolly Parton. Like she contributed a 100 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: million dollars to vaccine research that ends up being the 101 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: moderna vaccine that Savess of lives. They name a scientific 102 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: breakthrough after her as a boob joke, but it ends 103 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: up being the fucking cloning of the sheep, like the 104 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: most famous and uh, you know, a cloning that before science. Dolly. 105 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: She is named after her because they took a mammary gland. 106 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: That's how where the cloning came from, and they were like, 107 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: we'll call it Dolly Parton. She's the boob lady, all right, 108 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: go on fucking facts, uh, one little fact from like 109 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: just in terms of the good energy going out and 110 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: coming back in. She at one point is incredibly kind 111 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: to a country singer who is opening for her named 112 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: Billy Ray, and when he has a kid, he makes 113 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: Dolly Parton the godmother to a girl, a little girl 114 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: named Miley Cyrus my favorite, who then asks her to 115 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: Hanna Montana, who on. 116 00:06:55,160 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 4: My feet, Jay is on my Feet, who then asked 117 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 4: her to play her godmother on her show, Hannah Montana, 118 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 4: And when that happens, her fan base becomes like massive 119 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 4: and incredibly young for somebody her age. 120 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: It's just like shit, I think, constant yeah, outflow of 121 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: good energy from her that then just like comes right 122 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: back to her and it's it's wild. It truly like 123 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: there does seem to be this religious, like philosophical spiritual goodness. 124 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: She like lives in the light and gives off light. 125 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 3: I feel like one thousand percent man, I mean, honestly, 126 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 3: I've always been a Dolly Parton fan, but it turned 127 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 3: into like a religious experience to me. Like the first 128 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 3: time that I saw her in concert, I saw her 129 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 3: at the San Jose Sharks Arena. I went with my 130 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 3: best friend Coach. I was probably twenty two maybe, uh huh, 131 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 3: and we went because we're like, oh, she's a living legend. 132 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 3: This is someone we need to see that we love her. 133 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 3: There's no way this isn't going to be incredible. And 134 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 3: little did I know that I was going to spend 135 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 3: like the second half of that show, like quite literally 136 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 3: sobbing because it was such an incredible experience, Like she 137 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 3: was singing live at that point, and her voice was 138 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 3: so incredible, and just the feeling of people around me, 139 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 3: Like people around me were just like full of happiness 140 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 3: and full of joy, and like she closes off all 141 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 3: of her shows by singing I Will Always Love You, 142 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 3: And like when that happened, I turned to my best 143 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 3: friend and like he's crying, I'm crying, and I was like, 144 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 3: oh my god, is this like what we do with 145 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 3: our lives now? Like is this this is right? 146 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: Deadhead? Yeah? Quite literally? 147 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 3: And like I grew up a dead Head in a 148 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 3: dead Head family, so like that kind of like absurd, like, 149 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 3: oh shit, fandom is like in my DNA. 150 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 5: Wow. 151 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 3: So like I literally like I've seen over one hundred 152 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 3: and fifty Grateful Dead shows, you know what I mean. 153 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 3: Like I literally grew up in parking lots and shit. Yeah, 154 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 3: like it was nuts, and I just was like, this 155 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 3: is incredible experience. No one had made me feel like 156 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 3: that quite literally since the Grateful Dead plus. 157 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: LSD do you know what I'm saying. 158 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 3: Right, it had that like on no drugs, feeling full body, 159 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 3: just elation and just feeling full of joy. And the 160 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 3: same thing happened the first time I went to Dollywood, had 161 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 3: the same thing, kind of had this out of body 162 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 3: experience of like, oh my god, this woman's light, like. 163 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: This shines on us all. Well, yeah, like she just 164 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: gives you know. 165 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 3: It's why she's the face of the Kindness campaign, you 166 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,719 Speaker 3: know what I mean. And that's my favorite things when 167 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 3: you travel around the country you can be. 168 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: Pass it on. She's one of the faces for the 169 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: pass it On campaign in LA. It's her and mister 170 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: Rogers are the ones that I always see there. Yeah, 171 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: the vibes that her show is like people like I remember, 172 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: you know, the Internet, but also you know, there were 173 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: like news stories about people like as she's having this, 174 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: and there was this podcast, Dolly Partons America that's really 175 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: good and they talk about just like going to one 176 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: of her shows and it's like this incredibly diverse group 177 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 1: and it's just like the vibes at the show are 178 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: just like there's such happiness and joy and like a 179 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: spiritual quality to this love affair between her fans and 180 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: her and for her to be that when like in 181 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: the eighties and like this is I was, you know, 182 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: six and living in Appellation part of the country, so 183 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: maybe this was me, but she was just the first, 184 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: the original stand in for hot woman when I was 185 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: like first when I was like it was just like 186 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: Dolly Parton jokes and it was like either a boob 187 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: joke or like man that yeah, right, like I heard 188 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: you're dating Dolly Parton, you know, like right, like just 189 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: like she was the hottest person. So like to go 190 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: from that to this religious icon is kind of crazy, 191 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: just in terms before we dig into her life. Just 192 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: the other measure of iconography that I wanted to touch on 193 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: is and this is our second icon in the in 194 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: a row who had this distinction of being the queen 195 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: of the Townloids. Tabloids are basically excess news being created 196 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: when someone's icon is like too big for the actual 197 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: news that they're creating with their actual life, and so 198 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: people have to just like create new create new shit 199 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: and gossip and intrigue or like it's just not you know, 200 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: it's not enough for people. And yeah, during the eighties, 201 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: she was like on the front page of every tabloid. 202 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: She found out at one point that this was partially 203 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: being fed by her aunt, who was mad at her 204 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: because she wasn't invited to a party around the movie Rhinestone, 205 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: and so she was talking shit about her to the tabloids. 206 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: But she comes from a huge family and it's like 207 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: a Southern family, and sometimes that gets messy. But it 208 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: wasn't just the eighties when we started the show, Miles, 209 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this, but when we 210 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy seven. Yeah, back in nineteen seventy seven, when 211 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: we started the show, we had a segment called Bloyd. 212 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 2: Wat Watch Everybody wants to boyd Watch Everybody want. 213 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: The idea was that like you can find out about 214 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: a lot about America's share consciousness from like what's on 215 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: the front page of the tabloids the supermarket, And I 216 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: think we ended up stopping because it was somewhat repetitive. 217 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: It was just like news over and over again about 218 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: a handful of people and mainly Dolly Parton. Still like 219 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen, like are a lot of is Dolly 220 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: Parton sick? Is Dolly Parton going to survive? Is Dolly 221 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: Parton having an affair with an alien? So it's just 222 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: like Dolly Parton's been an obsession of America since I've 223 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: been storing memories. 224 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 3: Well, and it's kind of crazy too because it is 225 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 3: really a testament to her ongoing popularity. Right literally forty 226 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 3: sixty years later, still say, oh, Dolly Parton plus whatever, 227 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 3: and people are interested and want to look at it 228 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 3: because people are dying to say something bad because no 229 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 3: one says anything bad about her, Right, Yeah, there's she's 230 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 3: never there's never been like a gotcha with Dolly Parton. 231 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: It's never been tried. You know, we've tried. We'll get 232 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: to like there was a federalist article and then there 233 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: was I mean, we'll we'll talk about the stampede and 234 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: the controversy around that, but she she dealt with it 235 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 1: pretty well, all right. But so she just celebrated on 236 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: January nineteenth, so you know, five days ago she just 237 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: celebrated her eightieth birthday. Tennessee declared that the nineteenth will 238 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: now be known as Dolly Parton day she was born. 239 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: Jelk day falls on a nineteenth? What do they do again? 240 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 3: In the South, They're like, well, let's he already got it. 241 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 3: Let's make sure it's covered up with the white lady. 242 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: That was, you know what I mean? Right, people contributed. 243 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 1: I got some AI videos of the two of them 244 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: chilling the grand old operation that I think you're gonna enjoy. 245 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 2: He got a joint in his mouth like with like 246 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 2: a Stanley sheet, right music, and Charlie Kurtz up there too. 247 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: It isn't the background making pot pies. But January nineteenth, 248 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: nineteen forty six, born in a one room cabin in 249 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: the Great Smoky Mountains of East Tennessee during a snowstorm, 250 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: which was eventually especially cramped because she had eleven's fucking siblings. 251 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: The one room shack is built by her dad. Newspapers 252 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: on the walls because that's like what you did when 253 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: you couldn't afford wallpaper. And she was like, and it 254 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: was nice because we'd put up a new layer of 255 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: insulation and there'd be new pictures on the wall. Her 256 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: first dolls were corn cobs that they would like glue 257 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: eyes onto, like she was dirt ass poor. 258 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 3: Yeah that sounds it's actually inspired. One of her first 259 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 3: songs that she ever wrote called tiny Tasseltop. 260 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, little China cassel. 261 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 3: Tops as a little girl after her cornsilk dolls hair. 262 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, she called it. She talked about her corn silk 263 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: hare And you think it's a metaphor corn cub Wow, 264 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: what visual language? No, man, a corn cob in there? 265 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she wants cut a couple of her toes 266 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: off while running around in your yard because there was 267 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: like a broken bottle, and her mom packed them with 268 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: corn meal and kerosene and sewed them back on without 269 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: any pain. Willers, hold on, hold on what I heard 270 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: that one. That's a new one for me. They were 271 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: they were sliced really badly to the point that like 272 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: they were almost her mom they were dangling, packed them 273 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: in corn meal and kerosene. Is that even sewed them 274 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: back on. You know that was like medicine. 275 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 2: I really want to know when they're like, what did 276 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 2: you do the corn meal and kerosene? 277 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: Like, of course I did. There's a lot of that ship. Yeah, 278 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: there's a lot of ship. Like when she first starts 279 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: wearing makeup, she's like very very interesting it and you know, 280 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: makeup and stuff like that from an early age. But 281 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: like when she first starts, she's using like berry juice 282 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: and a burnt matchstick for eyeliner, Like she there's just 283 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: a lot of like down home country shitull. 284 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 3: She actually details all of that. There's these really great 285 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 3: scenes where it's like her and her sisters like putting 286 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 3: on this fake makeup and stuff. It's pretty amazing. 287 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh I just. 288 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 2: The corn meal is to absorb the blood. The kerosene 289 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 2: in antiseptor. Okay, there you are perfect. 290 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: Perfect. Don't try this at home unless you grew up 291 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: in a one room cabin. That's some shit. 292 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 2: Only Dolly, I think that's the only I think Dolly 293 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 2: part is the only person like, oh my toes came off, 294 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 2: can you just saw him? 295 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: Thanks? And then you keep fucking moving on with your life. 296 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: On effect, she talks about when in her memoir, she 297 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: talks about meeting her best friend for life. Judy Ogle 298 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: just made up as sounding name, but yeah, really. 299 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 3: That's Judy Ogle. Real are a real family. When you 300 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 3: drive around Pigeon Forge in Severeville, like you see like 301 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 3: Google Road, like that family, there's like the Ogles are 302 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 3: still out there. 303 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 1: You see signage with Ogle on it all the time. Yeah, 304 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: and they met, and I think it was Judy talking 305 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 1: about seeing Dolly for the first time. It might I 306 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: might have it wrong, and it might have been Dolly 307 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: talking about seeing Judy for the first time. But they 308 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: were both poor, and one of them had what they 309 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: call bloomer rubber in her hair as a headband, which 310 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 1: is the elastic on the waistband of like old blown 311 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 1: out pants, and they just like pulled that up and 312 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: they were wearing that like like one of the members 313 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,719 Speaker 1: of the Junkyard Gang, you know, right, just yeah, straight 314 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: out of a fucking big toe shooting out of the 315 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: like a hole in the boom. Yeah. Yeah. 316 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,959 Speaker 3: Like the lore that Dolly describes around the meeting of 317 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,120 Speaker 3: her and and Judy, who my dog is named after, 318 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 3: by the way, So with Judy to noodles because she's 319 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 3: my best girl, so of course my dog's miss Judy anyway. 320 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 3: But she says, basically, Dolly was tiny, right, she was little, 321 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 3: and back in those days you had multiple ages and 322 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 3: kind of a schoolhouse. But Dolly used to get bullied 323 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 3: a little bit, and Judy Yogel was a little bit 324 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 3: of a rough and tumble with a bunch of brothers 325 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 3: and Judy wasn't having that mess. So Judy was her 326 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 3: first protector. So that's how they became friends, is because 327 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 3: Judy stepped in and. 328 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 1: Beat some kids muscle that were. 329 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,239 Speaker 3: Hassling Dolly, and they quickly became best friends. And they 330 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 3: lived basically across the hall or from each other, so 331 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 3: they would, you know, go about their business and meet 332 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 3: and play and be able to kind of like meet 333 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 3: between property lines and hang out. 334 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, just another couple details about how poor they were. 335 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: They didn't have money to pay the doctor when she 336 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: was delivered, so her dad paid with a sack of 337 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 1: corn meal. It was like what they paid with. And 338 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 1: she couldn't afford a coat, so her mom sewed her 339 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: a coat using multicolored rags that they had laying around, 340 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: which is a big part of her lore because it 341 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: later inspired one of her most popular songs code of 342 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: Many Colors. 343 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 3: I also have that tattooed on my arm. 344 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 2: The coat of many colors, Yes, the actual coat or 345 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 2: the words coat of many colors, the actual coat. 346 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 5: Nice. 347 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: Hold on, let me see that ship is on your phone? 348 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: Oh ship, yeah, my bro Jack but of many colors. 349 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 2: And then is like, yeah, my best my dog called 350 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 2: Judy colors. 351 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 3: Wait, I got a pair of titties with stars for 352 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 3: nipples made out of rope and it says what would 353 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 3: Dolly do? 354 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 5: Wow? 355 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: W w double ds No, no, god damn. Yeah, there's 356 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 1: a lot of wild Like she got beat pretty relentlessly 357 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: by both parents, which is you know, was called child 358 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: rearing at the time. But like once she like went 359 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: missing for a while and like they thought she was gone, 360 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: and then like she heard dinner bell ringing on the 361 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: cow's neck and like found the cow and like let 362 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: it drag her back to the house. She's like all 363 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: beat up and like starving, and she still like got 364 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: whipped for that, for going dancing. So it is a 365 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: tough upbringing for sure, And her dad was illiterate his 366 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: whole life. And I think there's something like we talked 367 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: about this with Elvis being coming up like very poor. 368 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe was born in like a charity hospital, was 369 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: in like foster care. I think there's something like a 370 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: lot of our most powerful icons of the twentieth century 371 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: came up very poor. And I think, like with with Dolly, 372 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: like one of the things she says about her dad 373 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: is that he is one of the smartest people she 374 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: ever knew, but he was illiterate. And I just feel like, 375 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: in terms of being an artist, there's a power to 376 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: knowing that people are smarter than they might appear, you know, 377 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: like that, you like one of the most important things 378 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 1: an artist can know is like not to underestimate how 379 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 1: smart people are, because like that just makes it easy 380 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: to like dismiss them and dismiss your audience, and like that, 381 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: I feel like that's where a lot of like bad 382 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 1: art comes from, is from, like suits and studio heads 383 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: being like, yeah, we'll just like give them some slop 384 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: because they're all idiots, and like just having that understanding, 385 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 1: like from an early age that this person who is 386 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: illiterate is also like incredibly smart is like an important 387 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: part of the way she views the world. 388 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 5: Well. 389 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 3: Life teaches us things that books can't write like you 390 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 3: could read every book in the world and not have 391 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 3: a clue how to operate and function in the world. 392 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that kerosene is what you do. 393 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 3: How you fixed baby toes exactly. You got to figure 394 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 3: it out, You got to let it by experience. 395 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 1: They have like busted up instruments all around the house. 396 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: She starts playing. She can play twenty instruments at least, 397 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: she says, she plays at them, and guitar is the 398 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: lonely thing that she's really good at. She's very self effacing. 399 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: Managed to get booked at the Grand Old Opry when 400 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: she was thirteen. Johnny Cash introduced her by saying, we've 401 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: got a little girl here from up in East Tennessee. 402 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: Her daddy's listening to the radio at home, and she's 403 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: going to be in real trouble if she doesn't sing tonight, 404 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: so let's bring her out here. But her and her uncle, 405 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: who was a big part of her early career, had 406 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: already he was a songwriter himself and was kind of 407 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:34,199 Speaker 1: they worked together in her early career. But like they 408 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: had approached Johnny Cash outside the Grand Ole Opry like 409 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: a year before, and they were working on this and 410 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: finally got through and she started making a name for herself, 411 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: getting on local radio stations on a regular basis. Between 412 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: this and her moving to Nashville when she's eighteen, she's 413 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: still going to like the local high school, and this 414 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: is kind of her first brush with like tabloid because 415 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: everybody's like starting rumors about her about how she's like 416 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 1: sleeping with famous people to try and like get to 417 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: the top, which you know, is why she moves to 418 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: Nashville the day after she graduates from high school. She 419 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: uses paper grocery bags as her luggage, and she's so 420 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: poor when she first gets there that she has to 421 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: sneak into hotels to eat leftover food off of room 422 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: service trays and is just like walking around in grocery 423 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: stores eating before anyone notices what she's doing and then 424 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: runs away. But she's you know, very poor. Immediately starts writing, 425 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: also immediately meets Carl Dean, who is her lifelong husband 426 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 1: who just passed away last year, who. 427 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 3: Can be seen on the cover of her album My 428 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 3: Tennessee Mountain Home. He's actually in the background on the cover. 429 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 3: That's like the one of the most famous pictures of 430 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 3: Carl in one of like four pictures of Carl available 431 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,959 Speaker 3: to us previous to his passing. 432 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was so in the background in her life. 433 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: First of all, on their first meeting, she said that 434 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: he looked at her face when they talked, which was like, 435 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: she was like, nobody looked at my face when we talked. 436 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: And then it's her marriage is just kind of coming 437 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: off the stories for Malon Monroe where she would like 438 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 1: marry these famous men and they'd be these broken children 439 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: who couldn't like deal with her having her own career. 440 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: Like Carl Dean goes to one early red carpet event 441 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: and leaves and was like, look, I want you to 442 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: be successful and have like everything you ever want. I 443 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: never want to go to another one of those fucking 444 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: things again. And she's like great. And so he's just 445 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 1: never in the limelight to the degree that people start 446 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: creating conspiracy theories that he doesn't exist, which she puts 447 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 1: him on one of her album covers. As Lydia has 448 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: just mentioned. 449 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 2: That was like a response to the idea that Carl 450 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 2: was some kind of like creation. 451 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: Wow. 452 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 3: It's also it's a it's an act of defiance because 453 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,959 Speaker 3: at that time her record label did not want her 454 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 3: to be married, right, She's think about that. 455 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 1: She's yeah, sort of available to. 456 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 3: TV as a girl singer, you know what I mean. 457 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 3: Girls singers are supposed to be sort of attractive, available, 458 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 3: you know. People want to spin all these tales and 459 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 3: think about in the relationship with her and Porter and 460 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 3: I'm getting a little head But in her musical, she 461 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 3: actually did. I saw it her musical twice. I saw 462 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 3: it the opening week like basically the preview weekends, and 463 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 3: I went and saw it the very nast night when 464 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 3: it left here in Nashville. And there was such a 465 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 3: big difference between But the part I loved about it 466 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 3: the most is she gave the most information about Carl 467 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 3: that I've ever heard, Like I learned stuff about their 468 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 3: relationship watching this musical that was like heartbreaking and beautiful. 469 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 3: She really spends a lot of time talking about the 470 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 3: moment she met him in Nashville and basically up until 471 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 3: when she first moved to Los Angeles and became really famous, famous, famous, 472 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 3: And a lot of that time hasn't been discussed. But 473 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 3: there was a period where Karl was just like, are 474 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 3: you going to be married to me? 475 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 6: Or not? 476 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: Like because she was There was. 477 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 3: A letter that was famously rumored about years ago, and 478 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 3: she actually read the letter like the actual like her 479 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 3: character reads the actual letter in the stage show, where 480 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 3: he's basically like, you know, I could have married anybody. 481 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 3: I could have done anything, but like I wanted to 482 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 3: marry you, and I want to be married to you, 483 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 3: not the idea of you, not your music, not this 484 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 3: like I care about you, know, Dolly Rebecca Parton who 485 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 3: I want to be married with. And if I can't 486 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 3: be married to you, then I don't want to be married. 487 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 3: And so she had to kind of make this choice 488 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 3: to like actively like pour into her marriage and make 489 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 3: sure that like he felt loved and like that that 490 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 3: was something that she treasured and it wasn't more important 491 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,959 Speaker 3: than her actually going around and doing that. She has 492 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 3: a song called The Sacrifice that she actually addresses everything 493 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 3: she's ever had to sacrifice in her life in order 494 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,479 Speaker 3: to achieve fame, and it's written from a perspective of 495 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 3: someone looking back on the life. And she wrote that 496 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 3: in like her mid forties. So it's kind of amazing 497 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 3: to see that she's had this much reflection, you know, 498 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 3: on what her what it cost her as an individual, 499 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 3: what it cost her as a woman to become the 500 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 3: artist and this icon that she. 501 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 2: Was right even Yeah, that's just so. It's it's really 502 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 2: interesting to hear too. You're like, damn, how are they together? 503 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 2: And like you hear all these details like oh, they're 504 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 2: like they have good communication skills and they're not out 505 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 2: of their minds where he's like, hey man, I'm going 506 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 2: to voice my needs to you my wife, can we 507 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 2: work this out? 508 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: And she's like heard, heard, I love you. Let me 509 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: figure this out. And I'm like when she would like 510 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: figure it out in song so often, Like there's one 511 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: of her early songs is like about a conversation where 512 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: he was like getting mad that she had slept with 513 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: men before she was married to him, and like she's 514 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: a mistake. Yeah, yeah, men are just so I like that. 515 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: I had this narrative of like him not being like 516 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: need men are just so relentlessly needy, crazy choose you 517 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: can choose her career. He like he kept construction. He 518 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 1: was working construction jobs hurt throughout her whole career, Like 519 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: she made hundreds of millions of dollars and he just 520 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: like kind of did his thing. 521 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 3: Carl laid the best pavement you've ever seen, and I 522 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 3: mean that as a euphemism and as. 523 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: He must have laid. 524 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 2: Hey, can you go to places where you've seen where 525 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 2: Carl Dean has laid the pavement? 526 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: Like well, like if Lydia knows, she'd be like, I 527 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: know you want to see some of Carl's work coming. 528 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 3: I know is that she has one of those he 529 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,719 Speaker 3: purposely made her. Like the driveway into her house is 530 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 3: like the glittery asphalt. It's not the regular kind. It's 531 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 3: the time that's like all sparkly and ships like, yeah, 532 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 3: so Carl, I've heard I respect you too much to 533 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 3: drive past her home in Brentwood. 534 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: I would never. 535 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 2: Oh she could, I could under the address and everything, 536 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 2: but I won't. 537 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: She starts dropping albums on all our asses. Her first album, 538 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: Hello I'm Dolly, Hello I'm was released by Monument. She's 539 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: just has this like music flowing through her at all times. 540 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: Just what one little anecdote, like you know, because a 541 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: lot of people talk about how she's this like multi instrumentalist, 542 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: and she's, like I said, like self effacing and says 543 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: she only plays at the instruments. When she first presented 544 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: the song nine to five to on the set of 545 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: the movie nine to five to Lily Tomlin and Jamee Fonda. 546 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,959 Speaker 1: She just like was beating out the click track with 547 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: her nails to be like, all right, so here's what 548 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: it goes like, Like it's like that pitch perfect cups scene. 549 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: She was just like playing the drum track with her 550 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: nails and then that is on the track, Like you 551 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: can actually hear her nails on the track, which is 552 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: a fucking classic. 553 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 3: That's crazy, But I think it's like that's such a 554 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 3: small thing that like speaks to like not only her 555 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 3: ability to compose the actual musicianship and like the song 556 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 3: you know, kind of layout around the lyrics, but even 557 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 3: her lyrical choices and the songs that she was writing 558 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 3: at the time she was writing was kind of crazy 559 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 3: for women. Like one of her first TV performances, like 560 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 3: on The Porter Wagner Show, she wanted to sing the Bridge, 561 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 3: which is a song about a woman killing herself by 562 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 3: jumping off a bridge. And it's a beautiful, heart wrenching song. 563 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 3: And this is her first opportunity to be singing live 564 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 3: on television. And Porter tells her he doesn't want her 565 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 3: to sing this song, and she does it anyway. 566 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, imagine being fucking nineteen sixty seven singing a song 567 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 5: about a fucking depressed woman threw herself off a bridge, 568 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 5: and that's one of like one depressing songs. 569 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 3: She also wrote songs in that same period, like three 570 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 3: songs about like silbirth. There's a beautiful song that she 571 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 3: sings called Down from Dover that's literally about a woman 572 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 3: getting pregnant and hoping that her her you know, her 573 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 3: partner comes home, and her partner never comes home, and 574 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 3: then she has the baby and then the baby's dead, 575 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 3: like talk about wanting to cry. She has songs about 576 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 3: fucking orphans burning down an orphanage because they're tired of 577 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 3: being abused. Like all of these songs are like heavy 578 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 3: material written in the sixties and seventies when women couldn't 579 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 3: even have credit. 580 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 581 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 3: She's out here doing the big work, but the only 582 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 3: songs she's getting credit for are you know, done blonde. 583 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: Sure, because I'm a woman like dipotomy. 584 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 3: There is like what does it for me? Is that 585 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 3: like it doesn't have to be one way or the other. 586 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 3: For Dolly, she's more than happy to show you like 587 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 3: the private, proper kids and face. But she's also like, 588 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 3: have you heard of death? 589 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: Yeah? 590 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, just so you know, it's fucking heavy out here 591 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 2: for women and especially too, like to your point in 592 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 2: an era where most people have been like just get 593 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 2: her on medications, she's talking about wacky shit right now. 594 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: Like we don't want to hear an opinion. 595 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 2: And then yet that's so it's such a beautiful moment 596 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 2: of subversion to have that sort of be your television debut. 597 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 2: And also I'm sure communicated to many of the people 598 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 2: watching were like that probably must have instantly resonated in 599 00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 2: a way a lot of the men who are like, 600 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 2: what the fuck is this dude, and other like I'm 601 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 2: sure a lot of people like, yo, I think I 602 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 2: just found my favorite artist. 603 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well, and it's. 604 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,239 Speaker 3: Also it's the women can't be sexual, right, and if 605 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 3: they are sexual, they need to not have a brain 606 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 3: on their shoulders, and so like the whole idea that 607 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 3: women can't have is sexuality and still be smart, and like, 608 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 3: I just that's been a through line through her career. 609 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: It's incredible, right. Yeah. They talk on the podcast Dolly 610 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: Partons of America about there's this long history of murder 611 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,239 Speaker 1: songs in the country and folk music tradition that like 612 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: start go back to the UK, But basically the songs 613 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: are narratives where a male narrator sings a story about 614 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: murdering a woman, and like she was writing songs where 615 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: she was like, what if we like told the story 616 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: from a woman's personal lit on them from Yeah, yeah, 617 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: but like that just the idea that like there's that 618 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: many songs where it's like and then I bashed her 619 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: head in like they're sad songs, but also it's like, well, 620 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: why the fuck are you doing that? 621 00:32:58,680 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 6: Man? 622 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then she was like, yeah, maybe it makes 623 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: more sense for me to is yeah. Yeah. So, like 624 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: talking from the perspective of a woman who's been victimized, 625 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: A lot of people have tried to say that she's 626 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: a feminist. She hasn't rejected the idea that she's a feminist. 627 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: She's just rejected the word feminist because like her, the 628 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,479 Speaker 1: quote about this that are Research or JM put in 629 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: here is that I think the words and titles just 630 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: have some connotations. When I think about feminists, you think 631 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: about the women that are anti men, and you think 632 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: of women that have been so mistreated they have to 633 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: make some sort of statement I'm all about women. I'm 634 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: all about empowering women, but I'm all about empowering all people. 635 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: But it's like she doesn't reject being a feminist, she 636 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: just rejects the word feminist. And like how people are 637 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: going to respond to that word? Right? 638 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 3: I mean, Dolly is a master in politics. Like this 639 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 3: woman has been able to straddle the line saying every 640 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 3: thing and saying nothing at the same time. She is 641 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 3: a really remarkable way of not offending anyone. But like 642 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 3: there is no doubt whether or not Dolly likes the 643 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 3: word feminist or not. Dolly is a feminist, Like there 644 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 3: is no two ways around it. You look at her 645 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 3: body of work, you see the presentations, and I keep 646 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 3: referencing this musical because it's her most recent, most like 647 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 3: autobiographical piece of work. And she literally like it came 648 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,879 Speaker 3: out three weeks after Carl died, so like she made 649 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 3: all these insertions and all of these subtractions to kind 650 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 3: of account for that. So, like you're talking about a 651 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 3: woman in her late seventies at this point, seventy nine, 652 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 3: you know, about to be eighty, who's revisiting the entirety 653 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 3: of her life, right, And what are the through lines 654 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 3: that she wants to present to represent Dolly My Life, 655 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 3: the musical, and two thirds of that final musical are 656 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 3: about being a woman in this industry. She addresses the 657 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,839 Speaker 3: paparazzi and all of it from a female perspective of like, 658 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 3: I do what I need to do because I'm a 659 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 3: woman and this is my power and these are the 660 00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 3: things that are lined up against me, and this. 661 00:34:59,520 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: Is how I want. 662 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 3: But she always does it through the Dolly lens, and 663 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 3: that's how she kind of escapes that like feminist shawl 664 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,800 Speaker 3: right is by being no, no, this is just my story 665 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:08,959 Speaker 3: me as a woman. 666 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 1: And also if you're if you're a woman, you don't 667 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: know what to put up with that shah. She's like, 668 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: what time it is. There's a great quote from her 669 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: about being awesome at business, which she clearly is. As 670 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 1: she said, there are basically two types of men you 671 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 1: have to deal with in business, the ones who want 672 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: to screw you out of money and the ones who 673 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: want to screw you period. The second guy is easiest 674 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: to deal with. If I catch a man who's not 675 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 1: looking at my eyes when he talks to me, I 676 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: have scored two really big points with him already. A 677 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 1: smart woman can take a man who thinks with his 678 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: small head and turn the would be screwed into the 679 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,879 Speaker 1: screw e. She's great. 680 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,399 Speaker 3: Another famous one I have from her, and I took 681 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 3: a scree shopping that because it's like, ooh, that is 682 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 3: that's exactly how she said it. 683 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: I always fuck it up, but. 684 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 3: It's I'm up front and I will tell you where 685 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 3: to put it if I don't like where you got it. 686 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: That's right, Like that's perfect, you know. 687 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 3: And then she talks about her age and she says, 688 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 3: you know, I'm whatever age I have to be. I 689 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 3: always say I'm as old as yesterday, but I'm as 690 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,839 Speaker 3: new as tomorrow. Yeah, she's just that's very mean about 691 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 3: she like a mastery. 692 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's like yeah, yeah, she gets very slick with it. Yeah, 693 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 1: just real quick. Some of her songs are extremely dark. 694 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 1: There are other ones from this period that could have 695 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: been so much darker. Found this detail from uh. I 696 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 1: think it's her memoir where she talked. So there's this 697 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy seven song apple Jack. It's just like a 698 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: fun tune about a banjo player and an old orchard 699 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: check and in her memoir she reveals that it was 700 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,359 Speaker 1: inspired by a real life local near where she grew 701 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: up who was rumored to be having sexual relationships with 702 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 1: his dogs and also was believed to have murdered and 703 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 1: eaten his mail order bride and her daughter, like by 704 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,359 Speaker 1: the local people. So like, she turns it into this 705 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: like sunny happy song, and she says people tend to 706 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: fear what they don't know and what they feel they dislike. 707 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 1: All kinds of rumors circulated over the hills about the 708 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: old man. He had a bunch of old, mangy dogs, 709 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: and some said he had sex with them. Well, there 710 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,919 Speaker 1: was no doubt he slept with them, It's not likely 711 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 1: the relationship was actually consummated. There was one time when 712 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: he sent away for a mail order bride. After a while, 713 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,360 Speaker 1: this woman came to live with him. She was large 714 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 1: and unsightly. The woman had a grown daughter, and right 715 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,959 Speaker 1: away rumors started to fly that the old man did 716 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 1: them both. It seems like they stayed for about eight 717 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: or nine months, and then they disappeared. Naturally, the rumor 718 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: milk kicked into high gear. Of course, the old man 719 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,799 Speaker 1: had killed them. The only disagreement among the rumormongers was 720 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: as to whether or not he had fed them to 721 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 1: the dogs or eaten them himself. So I love it. 722 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,359 Speaker 1: I love appellation lore. That's what I know. Yeah, there's 723 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,840 Speaker 1: so much good appellation lord wildly. 724 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 3: Spun out of and like what a better way to 725 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 3: become a songwriter just speak these extrapolations of stories and 726 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 3: turn them into these allegories right there that sort of 727 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 3: time and space and culture, but. 728 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 1: Has a bunch of really good, like spooky ghost stories 729 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 1: that like actually happened to her. There's like one time 730 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: where they're like living in la I think, and like 731 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: the or maybe it's Nashville, but like they have their 732 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 1: doors locked and they hear somebody walk in and they 733 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 1: think it's Judy, who like would just like come and 734 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 1: go in their house. And then they wake up the 735 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,319 Speaker 1: next morning and the doors had been locked. But then 736 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: like all the faucets are on, and like she said, 737 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 1: she woke up in the middle of the night and 738 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 1: like watched one of the faucets turn on and it 739 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 1: was lydiopapa to sorry sorry, I mean it was like that. 740 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 2: Whole thing too, like was just even at like the 741 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 2: apple Jack song and her being like, yeah, this guy 742 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 2: had dogs and like yeah, he's fucking them or whatever. 743 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,279 Speaker 2: I think also like it's another sort of arrow in 744 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 2: her quiver in terms of how she knows how to 745 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 2: manage narrative and perception too, because she's coming from a 746 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 2: place where she's like, I've seen the shit. I see 747 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 2: this shit all the time. Okay, this dude who had 748 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,439 Speaker 2: a couple dogs in his bed. 749 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody there. 750 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like people will just fucking lose their minds. And 751 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 2: because I've seen like some of the most intense versions 752 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 2: of that, I'm really adepth at navigating it, especially as 753 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 2: someone who's the subject of so much conjecture throughout her career. 754 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:17,759 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. 755 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 3: She has this song called Joshua that really lyrically, it's 756 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 3: like it's upbeat, it's fun, but like if you listen 757 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,280 Speaker 3: to the lyrics, it's about this scary man that lives 758 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,880 Speaker 3: out in the middle of nowhere that like is big 759 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 3: and like bearded and like intimidating, and it's hard to tell, 760 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,400 Speaker 3: like what age the woman who it's singing from a 761 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,320 Speaker 3: woman's point of view, and it's not a real story, 762 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 3: but it's one of these stories. But it's like, you know, 763 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 3: she decides to go and show up to Joshua's house 764 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 3: and she breaks into his house to like see what's 765 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 3: going on and to find out who he is. And 766 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 3: he comes home and she's like, oh shit, and instead 767 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 3: like she just like has a cup of tea with 768 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 3: him and ends up going over there on purpose regularly 769 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 3: and basically ends up like having a good time with 770 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 3: this dude and like marrying him and like fucking him down. 771 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 3: And I'm just like, what a wild story to be, Like, 772 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,320 Speaker 3: I've heard of this fucking creep in the woods. 773 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 1: Let me go check it out. Let me let me 774 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,880 Speaker 1: find out he's actually had a whole And then she's like, actually, 775 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: that's my cool. 776 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, Joshua could put it. Actually, hell yeah, find is 777 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,799 Speaker 3: fucking the woods. BORDI ship, big old dick. 778 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 1: You know he figured a zoo glass. Okay, Yeah, She's. 779 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 3: Just like listen, but let me tell you about me 780 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 3: and Joshua, all right, Like yeah, yeah, yeah, it's fucking 781 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:27,080 Speaker 3: so good. 782 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:28,799 Speaker 1: She has so many of those songs, and I'm just 783 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 1: like what it's like, it's so great. I love it. 784 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,840 Speaker 1: This research also gave me some good insight into the 785 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,840 Speaker 1: movie Nashville, which I don't think I fully understood until 786 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,800 Speaker 1: doing this research. And we're getting to the Porter Wagner 787 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,799 Speaker 1: of it all. So she gets a big break in 788 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven when she's hired to replace the female 789 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 1: singer on The Porter Wagner Show, and she begins dueting 790 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,720 Speaker 1: with this guy who's like twice her age and releasing 791 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 1: albums with him. Their album covers are insane, like the 792 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,279 Speaker 1: outs that we Are is so funny, But wait, what 793 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 1: are the way what are the albums called? It's a 794 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 1: lot of like we found it, Peter Wagner and Dolly Parton. 795 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,319 Speaker 1: We found it is a good one to look at 796 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 1: because they're wearing match suits. Is this ship? It's a lot. 797 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,840 Speaker 3: Porter Wagner was a very like dandy, fancy gentleman, but 798 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 3: in a country way. Like literally Wagner is like the 799 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 3: founder of country glam. This man did not have a 800 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,880 Speaker 3: suit that was not been dazzled. He is famous for 801 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 3: being incredibly vain. We're talking head to toe all kinds 802 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 3: of things there. They're called nudy suits by the gentleman 803 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,759 Speaker 3: who actually his last name was Nudy, who was like 804 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,240 Speaker 3: kind of the creator and the tailor of these suits. 805 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 3: Porter Wagner made this style of suit famous that you 806 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,840 Speaker 3: now see people like post Malone whenever he wears like 807 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 3: a suit. 808 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,360 Speaker 1: Right right, oh yeah, yeah yeah. 809 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 3: Porter Wagner had a bufont that made fucking Elvis's look 810 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 3: like playtime. 811 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, and at one point he had a crazy per 812 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,200 Speaker 1: on one of the cover he has a crazy perm. 813 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,359 Speaker 1: That's what you know the character in Nashville who has 814 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,880 Speaker 1: the perm and he's like the older He's like the older, 815 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 1: very established country singer. I was like, oh, that's Porter Wagner. 816 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,440 Speaker 1: Like as I was doing the research, I was like, 817 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: oh shit, that was totally based on this guy. And yeah, 818 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:21,440 Speaker 1: his suits, yeah, full blown, full blown zee on the narcissism. 819 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,759 Speaker 1: So she when she first starts, the audience hates her 820 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 1: because the previous singer had a lower, richer voice, and 821 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 1: the audience is just immediately like, hey, fuck this lady. 822 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,120 Speaker 1: She's not the other lady, and so they had to 823 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 1: do duets to get the audience on board. It was 824 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,240 Speaker 1: kind of creepy because he's literally like twice her age 825 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,200 Speaker 1: and some of the songs. Some of the songs were 826 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,279 Speaker 1: like Daddy Daughter and then some of them are like 827 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:51,359 Speaker 1: hornyish love songs. And I think so this like gives 828 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,160 Speaker 1: him a belief that he's like rescued her from this 829 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,360 Speaker 1: initially hostile audience, which, by the way, every audience is 830 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 1: always initially hostile to change. Just every time you try 831 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 1: and do something different, they're going to be. 832 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 3: Like heytes ship, yeah, yeah, are you getting me Yeah. 833 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,480 Speaker 1: So he is completely convinced that she needs him and 834 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,719 Speaker 1: is shocked when she decides to eventually move on. And 835 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,839 Speaker 1: also it's like this feels in a normal Hollywood arc 836 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 1: that like this would have been the second husband that 837 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,759 Speaker 1: you know. They there's like all sorts of rumors that 838 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:36,040 Speaker 1: they were sleeping together. They definitely had like a very 839 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:41,200 Speaker 1: like emotional relationship that she says was never consummated or 840 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,680 Speaker 1: anything like that, but ever there were the rumors flew. 841 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:49,799 Speaker 1: But they never get together, and he tries starts trying 842 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,239 Speaker 1: to control her and her career as she's becoming a 843 00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,720 Speaker 1: major star. He wanted to prevent her from taking career 844 00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,359 Speaker 1: opportunities and keep her under his fold. And and so 845 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,919 Speaker 1: she eventually leaves the show in nineteen seventy four, and 846 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 1: the way that she does that is she walks into 847 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,719 Speaker 1: his office and is like, I wrote this song for you, 848 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:17,719 Speaker 1: and she sings him, I will always love you like 849 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 1: the most famous love song of all time, and he 850 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,279 Speaker 1: like by the end, they're both crying and he says, well, 851 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,440 Speaker 1: I guess you can go if you let me produce 852 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,080 Speaker 1: that song for you, since it's the best thing you've 853 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,759 Speaker 1: ever written. She's like fine, But first of all, just like, 854 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,880 Speaker 1: what a way to get out of an unhealthy, controlling 855 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,560 Speaker 1: relationship with a boss who is clearly like in love 856 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,840 Speaker 1: with you by writing them the kindest breakup song. Like 857 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,839 Speaker 1: when you look at the lyrics to that song, it's 858 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,560 Speaker 1: basically a song that's like, look, you are my king, 859 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,800 Speaker 1: I have to get out of here because if I don't, 860 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:56,719 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get in your way king, so, which I 861 00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,680 Speaker 1: always thought was like in the context of the Bodyguard 862 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,640 Speaker 1: all So, I always thought those lyrics were funny that 863 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 1: like Whitney Houston is being like, we have to break 864 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:10,520 Speaker 1: up because I, a world famous artist, would only be 865 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:14,640 Speaker 1: in the way of you, a professional bodyguard. But like, 866 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,960 Speaker 1: you know, it's just he's just he's just trying to 867 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,840 Speaker 1: be a normal guy who can kick shit, you know 868 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:20,359 Speaker 1: what I mean. 869 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,560 Speaker 3: If you got fucking a beautiful black queen on your 870 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,040 Speaker 3: arm who was fucking worldwide, you can't just kick any 871 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:27,960 Speaker 3: ship you gotta kill. 872 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,120 Speaker 1: That's true. That's true. She is getting in his way. 873 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,319 Speaker 1: That's a good point. Pick up a hot pocket and 874 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:40,320 Speaker 1: scratch his balls. He's fucking Houston. Yea yeah, yeah, yeah, 875 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,400 Speaker 1: too close. I love from this period that making the 876 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,480 Speaker 1: decision to leave was easier than the leaving, which I 877 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,640 Speaker 1: feel like every breakup I've been involved with like that 878 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,080 Speaker 1: is like a perfect way of encapsulating that. Also, every 879 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,799 Speaker 1: relationship is like a house with a second floor. It's 880 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,680 Speaker 1: got two stories. Yeah, come on. 881 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,880 Speaker 3: It was interesting too because when I saw the musical 882 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,040 Speaker 3: the first time, I was shocked she spent so much 883 00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,600 Speaker 3: time on that Porter stuff. And again I saw stuff 884 00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,600 Speaker 3: in that musical I had never read before, I'd never 885 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:14,080 Speaker 3: heard her talk about, and she really portrayed him extremely abusive, 886 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,200 Speaker 3: like he was so abusive to her to a level 887 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,360 Speaker 3: that like I didn't understand until I saw it visually, 888 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,600 Speaker 3: you know, being acted out by actions, but. 889 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:24,360 Speaker 1: It's just different. 890 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:25,640 Speaker 3: And then I was like, God, this must have been 891 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,359 Speaker 3: even so much worse because reflecting on it this long, 892 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,839 Speaker 3: like this much later in life and to still feel 893 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:32,200 Speaker 3: this strongly about. 894 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:32,840 Speaker 1: It, yeah, you know. 895 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 3: And she ended up the current version like they've edited 896 00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,000 Speaker 3: a lot of that out, and I think that was smart. 897 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,160 Speaker 3: But I'm glad I got to see the first version 898 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:40,960 Speaker 3: of it. It was fucking four hours long. It was 899 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,080 Speaker 3: very long, Jesus. But you know in the final I 900 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:45,600 Speaker 3: think is two and a half, you know, so they 901 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:46,719 Speaker 3: cut out an hour and a half. 902 00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,879 Speaker 1: Hiteah, Yeah, but it was So that's also wild that, 903 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,080 Speaker 1: like that is her version of events now in retrospect, 904 00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:57,920 Speaker 1: because so he sues her for three million dollars and 905 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,319 Speaker 1: like goes on a in the media be talking like 906 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:08,680 Speaker 1: cash shit about her. She is never like very which 907 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,400 Speaker 1: is the high road? What does he What did he 908 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:11,960 Speaker 1: sue her for? 909 00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,160 Speaker 3: He basically sues her for for ownership and rights, and 910 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,080 Speaker 3: basically he believes he made Dolly parton, So when she 911 00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,920 Speaker 3: went on to record Joline and everything else, he feels like. 912 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,640 Speaker 1: That, oh, you're taking money out of my brid Oh 913 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,600 Speaker 1: she also did, I mean, you know, had her sign 914 00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:33,239 Speaker 1: a predatory contract at this time, so like solutely by 915 00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,800 Speaker 1: the letter of the law, she did owe him a 916 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,120 Speaker 1: lot of money. But it's wild though, like she has 917 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,920 Speaker 1: like you know, come out and talked about how abusive 918 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,000 Speaker 1: he was because towards the end of his life she 919 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,719 Speaker 1: does like go reconnect with him before he died in 920 00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:52,200 Speaker 1: two thousand and seven. He's he is kind of ruined 921 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,800 Speaker 1: by her when she leaves, like he just can't fucking 922 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,680 Speaker 1: where She also like takes his right hand with her, 923 00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,160 Speaker 1: Like the all the musicians like are like, well, we're 924 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:06,200 Speaker 1: going to go with the lady who's so talented and 925 00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:07,560 Speaker 1: not a monster. 926 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,960 Speaker 3: And also it's like he's aging out as well, right, 927 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,279 Speaker 3: like he's still a songwriter, but like he's not. He's 928 00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,719 Speaker 3: battling his ego during this time. So his ego is 929 00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,040 Speaker 3: making it difficult for him to actually move forward, and 930 00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,520 Speaker 3: he is so caught up in her actual success it's 931 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:28,000 Speaker 3: he wants credit for her success, impedes his ability to 932 00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,640 Speaker 3: even move forward in his own career, you know, and 933 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,960 Speaker 3: ends up selling off his publishing because he can't afford 934 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,080 Speaker 3: it because he's he's broke, he needs he needs to 935 00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,400 Speaker 3: pay his bills, and he ends up getting sick. And 936 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,120 Speaker 3: the Lauria is basically Dolly Parton went and purchased she 937 00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:43,760 Speaker 3: purchased his catalogy. 938 00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:43,759 Speaker 7: His. 939 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,120 Speaker 3: Catalog, and then she gave it back to him when 940 00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,280 Speaker 3: he was on his deathbed so that his children would 941 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:56,040 Speaker 3: have something to live forward on without being asked? 942 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,080 Speaker 1: Is that a rumor that? 943 00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:58,160 Speaker 3: Damn? 944 00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,360 Speaker 1: She just always is going out of her way to 945 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,680 Speaker 1: like make things right. And just like, even though this 946 00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:08,680 Speaker 1: person has been like publicly a complete monster, to her, 947 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,799 Speaker 1: is just like, all right, well he's clearly hurting, let's 948 00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:13,480 Speaker 1: take care of this. 949 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,640 Speaker 3: She acknowledges like she wouldn't be where she was if 950 00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,279 Speaker 3: she didn't have certain opportunities. So she's I don't want 951 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:24,200 Speaker 3: to discredit his his you know, participation in my success however. 952 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, And also she's not getting sucked up. 953 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,279 Speaker 3: To Jack's point, it's like it's her larger giving spirit, 954 00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,200 Speaker 3: which is like why should his children suffer because their. 955 00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:36,040 Speaker 1: Dad was an asshole? 956 00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:36,359 Speaker 5: Sure? 957 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,040 Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, right right like his children his children's children 958 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,160 Speaker 3: shouldn't have to suffer because of that. If she could 959 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,520 Speaker 3: do something, she's going to pay it forward because it's 960 00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,480 Speaker 3: like it goes back to her overall thing, which is 961 00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:47,839 Speaker 3: like I have more than I need. 962 00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:49,920 Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's like what's really interesting too, 963 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,400 Speaker 2: Like we're just I'm hearing about her upbringing, all this 964 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,480 Speaker 2: shit she's been through, the tremendous amount of empathy she 965 00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,600 Speaker 2: has just based on her upbringing in her life just 966 00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,920 Speaker 2: already gives her an in insane amount of wisdom on 967 00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:06,120 Speaker 2: how to really operate and treat people to always know like, okay, 968 00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,520 Speaker 2: this is the right move in terms of helping a 969 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,960 Speaker 2: person or knowing the sins of the father shouldn't apply 970 00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,719 Speaker 2: to the children. It's yeah, I'm like, I'm like, I'm 971 00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,600 Speaker 2: starting to see the matrix of Dolly Parton's wisdom more 972 00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:19,040 Speaker 2: and more. 973 00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,399 Speaker 3: It's amazing too, because we think, I mean something right 974 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,960 Speaker 3: now that young artists have really I feel like leaned 975 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,960 Speaker 3: into in sort of a negative way, is like this 976 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,880 Speaker 3: hustle mentality, like I always have to be working, I 977 00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:30,879 Speaker 3: always have to be hustling to it doesn't matter who 978 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:31,399 Speaker 3: gets in my way. 979 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:31,960 Speaker 1: It's about me. 980 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,200 Speaker 3: And it's like I feel like Dolly Parton's life and 981 00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,960 Speaker 3: career shows you that, like, yes you should hustle, Yes 982 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,080 Speaker 3: you need to make sacrifices. However, you don't need to 983 00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,680 Speaker 3: leave a wake of fire and blood behind. 984 00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. There is a way to. 985 00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,400 Speaker 3: Move forward and to put yourself first and to prioritize 986 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:52,040 Speaker 3: your art without sacrificing your immediate family. The greater good 987 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,000 Speaker 3: the world, Like if there's no one around to receive 988 00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:56,759 Speaker 3: your art and what the fuck are you doing? Yeah? 989 00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:09,960 Speaker 1: What's it for? So just a little more and I 990 00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,080 Speaker 1: Will Always Love You went to number one on the 991 00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,719 Speaker 1: Billboard Charts in nineteen seventy four and again in both 992 00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,160 Speaker 1: the eighties and the nineties. In the eighties because she 993 00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,640 Speaker 1: performed it in the Best Little Whorehouse in Texas the. 994 00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:27,879 Speaker 3: Movie ranch depending upon which station we're on. Yeah, they 995 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,320 Speaker 3: changed the name for the TV friendlies. 996 00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:35,000 Speaker 1: Oh watched the Best Little Chicken Ranch in Texas. That 997 00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:39,000 Speaker 1: sounds so good and intriguing. And then the Whitney Houston 998 00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,520 Speaker 1: version became a sensation thanks to the bodyguard and being 999 00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,920 Speaker 1: just a fucking complete banger. Dolly says she was driving 1000 00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:47,560 Speaker 1: her car when she first heard it and it like 1001 00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,480 Speaker 1: she like had to pull over. She was like, it 1002 00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,840 Speaker 1: knocked me off the road. Elvis Presley was a massive 1003 00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,600 Speaker 1: fan of I Will Always Love You, saying it to 1004 00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,680 Speaker 1: Priscilla as they were walking out of their divorce and 1005 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,560 Speaker 1: try to record it. And then the night before the 1006 00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:07,000 Speaker 1: recording session, our old friend Colonel Tom Parker you can 1007 00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,759 Speaker 1: listen to our Elvis Icons episode but called part and 1008 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,040 Speaker 1: was like, hey, by the way, Elvis gonna need at 1009 00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,520 Speaker 1: least half the publishing on this motherfucker if she's gonna 1010 00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,640 Speaker 1: record it, And she was like no, So Elvis never. 1011 00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, you wager would I give it to you? Get 1012 00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,200 Speaker 3: off my phone? 1013 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,360 Speaker 1: H cooy. He probably would have filled her though. I 1014 00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:30,920 Speaker 1: feel like Elvis, that would have been a good one 1015 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:36,200 Speaker 1: for Elvis. But another big fan of this song, speaking 1016 00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:42,759 Speaker 1: of narcissists, uh Saddam Hussan was a massive fan, and 1017 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,799 Speaker 1: an Arabic cover became his official campaign song in two 1018 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,560 Speaker 1: thousand and two. I am kind of shocked he had 1019 00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,719 Speaker 1: the restraint to not sing it himself. I have it 1020 00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,160 Speaker 1: here that I'm just gonna play it for you guys 1021 00:52:56,200 --> 00:53:06,919 Speaker 1: real quick. That's supposed to be wallas, not a little. 1022 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:20,760 Speaker 8: In song with a hoose bed, you know, the little 1023 00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:28,120 Speaker 8: hotel fukerriphy wei hote. 1024 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:47,520 Speaker 1: Damn still works. Still doesn't matter the language. That song 1025 00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:55,279 Speaker 1: fucking rips every sting of the way. So that's not 1026 00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,840 Speaker 1: wrong wrong, all right. So that gotta give you that 1027 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,680 Speaker 1: in case you're wondering why it sounds like they've like 1028 00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:07,200 Speaker 1: got you know, eight bit waves going in the background. 1029 00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,640 Speaker 1: The music video for that one takes place on a beach. Okay, 1030 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,080 Speaker 1: so There's also iconic lore that Dolly wrote JOELENEA and 1031 00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,399 Speaker 1: I Will Always Love You on the same day. Yep. 1032 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,400 Speaker 1: In hindsight, she's like, I don't know if it was 1033 00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,040 Speaker 1: the exact same day. They were recorded on the same 1034 00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,919 Speaker 1: like session tape like where or like the you know where, 1035 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,200 Speaker 1: She like takes down the songs they were like right 1036 00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:34,399 Speaker 1: next to each other, and I feel like she might 1037 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,000 Speaker 1: have been a little haunted by this r two greatest songs, 1038 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,600 Speaker 1: two of the greatest songs of the twentieth century being 1039 00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,439 Speaker 1: written like on a single day. 1040 00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:43,800 Speaker 4: Like. 1041 00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:48,319 Speaker 1: She later talks about how she is, She's like, I'm 1042 00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:52,920 Speaker 1: sure I've like forgotten so many good songs right like 1043 00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,160 Speaker 1: just it like suggests that sometimes you're just in like 1044 00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,239 Speaker 1: god mode and if you're not writing it down in 1045 00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,600 Speaker 1: that moment, like you won't catch it. It's like a 1046 00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,239 Speaker 1: terrifying thought for any creative person to have, is just 1047 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,160 Speaker 1: like you, you might not know it, and it might 1048 00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:12,080 Speaker 1: be the day that like fucking Jolene and I Will 1049 00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:13,719 Speaker 1: Always Love You, like come to you. 1050 00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:15,799 Speaker 3: I talk about that in my stand up back it's 1051 00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:17,880 Speaker 3: sometimes how I close my show and I tell people that, 1052 00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:19,759 Speaker 3: and I say, like I'm a huge Leparton fan. And 1053 00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,440 Speaker 3: I say that that thing and then my whole thing 1054 00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,399 Speaker 3: and my messages is like, think about that next time 1055 00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,279 Speaker 3: you think you've accomplished something, right, like you. 1056 00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:27,239 Speaker 1: Haven't done shit. 1057 00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:29,960 Speaker 3: Like you haven't done anything, just like getting up and 1058 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,359 Speaker 3: writing two great songs, even if it's like one at 1059 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,440 Speaker 3: breakfast and one at lunch, do you know what I mean? 1060 00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,000 Speaker 3: And that session tape, by the way, that she's referring 1061 00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,240 Speaker 3: to is quite literally a cassette tape. 1062 00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:40,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, She's just like. 1063 00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,200 Speaker 3: Literally like a tape recorder is like push down the 1064 00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:46,640 Speaker 3: two buttons into record, and. 1065 00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,359 Speaker 1: Like she did that well into the two thousands. As 1066 00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:55,480 Speaker 1: for what Jolene is inspired by, she says that once 1067 00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:59,680 Speaker 1: she was going to the bank with Carl and there 1068 00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,840 Speaker 1: was a hot redhead bank teller who she said, she 1069 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,840 Speaker 1: had everything I didn't, like legs. You know, she was 1070 00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,400 Speaker 1: about six feet tall and had all that stuff that 1071 00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:12,719 Speaker 1: some little short sawed off honky like me. Don't how 1072 00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,760 Speaker 1: she described herself when she was like the fucking number 1073 00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:20,200 Speaker 1: one sex symbol in the world, man, But honestly, I 1074 00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:21,800 Speaker 1: want to see what that fucking teller looked like. 1075 00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:26,640 Speaker 3: Can you imagine Holly Parton shook like that, yes, but 1076 00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,200 Speaker 3: maybe she was just homely as fuck, and Carl was like, 1077 00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:30,440 Speaker 3: this bitch ain't going nowhere. 1078 00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:35,319 Speaker 1: This is nice Bright. The teller wasn't named joe Lene. 1079 00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,279 Speaker 1: That name came from a young fan who has for 1080 00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,520 Speaker 1: Dolly's autograph and she'd never heard the name and was like, Okay, 1081 00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,640 Speaker 1: that's pretty I'm gonna write that into a song that 1082 00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:50,560 Speaker 1: will define generations. But on Dolly Parton's America, you get 1083 00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:52,880 Speaker 1: to hear her tell the story, and it kind of 1084 00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,879 Speaker 1: reminded me of that part in the Beatles documentary Get Back, 1085 00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,520 Speaker 1: where you watch Paul McCartney kind of like will the 1086 00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,600 Speaker 1: song get back of his bones? Like he's just like 1087 00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,759 Speaker 1: like it's just like he's like mumbling shit, and then 1088 00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,120 Speaker 1: like it just like starts like vibrating out of him, 1089 00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,200 Speaker 1: like she's talking about how she's like, so I heard 1090 00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:12,879 Speaker 1: the name, and I was like, that should be a song, 1091 00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:17,320 Speaker 1: and so I was just like insisting on trying to 1092 00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,120 Speaker 1: trying to remember that song, and so I kept being 1093 00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:24,840 Speaker 1: like Joelene, Jolene, Jolene jo Lene and like just reminding 1094 00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,280 Speaker 1: herself of it, like gives her the chorus to it. 1095 00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:32,439 Speaker 1: And then sometime later she gets jealous of the bank 1096 00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:36,000 Speaker 1: teller and writes in one of the great songs. All 1097 00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:36,800 Speaker 1: the time we talk so. 1098 00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:38,880 Speaker 3: Much about like how Jolene came to be in sort 1099 00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:40,800 Speaker 3: of like the name the song, who was Joelene, But 1100 00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,720 Speaker 3: we don't spend enough time talking about that fucking guitar. 1101 00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:44,480 Speaker 1: Like so good. 1102 00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:49,080 Speaker 3: We don't spend time that is incredibly difficult in such 1103 00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,680 Speaker 3: a unique riff, Like you don't hear that type of 1104 00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,760 Speaker 3: guitar instrumentation on a lot of songs and even a 1105 00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,280 Speaker 3: lot of country or bluegrass songs. But it's so remarkable 1106 00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,760 Speaker 3: and it shows the level of sk ill with guitar 1107 00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,480 Speaker 3: that Dolly had to be able to put that neandering 1108 00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,560 Speaker 3: riff into. Like the recording that she's she has around 1109 00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,240 Speaker 3: that song is like pretty intense, Like that is not 1110 00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,760 Speaker 3: an easy song to just stumble into the arrangement on. 1111 00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,120 Speaker 1: It is phenomenal because it wasn't a lot of her gets. 1112 00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,120 Speaker 2: I remember reading a thing just like as a music person, 1113 00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,560 Speaker 2: like her fingernails dictated a lot of how she played guitar. 1114 00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,320 Speaker 3: Yes, she holds and plays guitars different and she also. 1115 00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,160 Speaker 1: Like different tunings too, like because the guitars. 1116 00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:33,720 Speaker 3: Are also smaller because she's tiny, yeah, hard like bodies 1117 00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:35,160 Speaker 3: are so much smaller. 1118 00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:39,520 Speaker 1: She's a song she needs a little tiny guitar, hand 1119 00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,880 Speaker 1: on the pump, sipping on a forties, smoking on a blot. 1120 00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:45,480 Speaker 1: Sorry I had to bring red Men and method Man 1121 00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,959 Speaker 1: into it. Oh okay, that's like so funny. Yeah I would. 1122 00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,240 Speaker 1: That'd be funny to probably see her with her regular 1123 00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,200 Speaker 1: guitar and like, oh, you look like the. 1124 00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,800 Speaker 3: Cartoons stuff as custom. She's played Custam Martins for a 1125 00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:00,800 Speaker 3: very very long time, so it's just it's an intense sound. 1126 00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:02,160 Speaker 3: But yeah, the way that she holds your guitar, the 1127 00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,400 Speaker 3: way she plays her instruments totally different because of her nails. 1128 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,760 Speaker 1: She has special picks and stuff. It's right. Yeah, the 1129 00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,760 Speaker 1: music's great. The lyrics are also really like it's such 1130 00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,439 Speaker 1: a unique like trying to like it, like I said 1131 00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,560 Speaker 1: on top, like compliment someone into not fucking your husband 1132 00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:21,920 Speaker 1: and just but but also like she's clearly taken by Jolene, 1133 00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,760 Speaker 1: Like it's almost a love song to the person who 1134 00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,080 Speaker 1: is going to steal your man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's 1135 00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,080 Speaker 1: like written a song written from the cuck chair. 1136 00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,720 Speaker 3: But also seriously though, imagine like I hope that that 1137 00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,400 Speaker 3: lady before she died, because or maybe she's still alive. 1138 00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,280 Speaker 3: I hope that bank teller is somewhere, just like telling 1139 00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:43,560 Speaker 3: her grandkids, well, you know, yeah, I'm Jolene. Motherfucker. 1140 00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:47,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, y'all's daddy could have been named Carr. How how 1141 00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,760 Speaker 1: have you not figured out who this bank teller is? 1142 00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:51,360 Speaker 1: I know that podcast. 1143 00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,120 Speaker 3: Honestly, it's a whole thing is like who is Joline? 1144 00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,200 Speaker 3: Where is Jolene? This has been a question, that is. 1145 00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:01,320 Speaker 2: What's the fever identifying you? 1146 01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,800 Speaker 1: I just know the bank maybe that yeah, she worked out. 1147 01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,040 Speaker 3: There's well, there's two things, right, There's who is the 1148 01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,760 Speaker 3: little girl named Joline that the song actually got named after? 1149 01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,280 Speaker 1: And then who was the bank teller? Right right, right, 1150 01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:12,960 Speaker 1: right right, So. 1151 01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,640 Speaker 3: It's both like I'd love to meet either, right, like 1152 01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,120 Speaker 3: do we know where this little girl is that was 1153 01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,400 Speaker 3: named Jolene that met Dolly Barton when she was five 1154 01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,600 Speaker 3: years old and has a sign named after her? And 1155 01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,480 Speaker 3: then is this bank teller still alive? And well how 1156 01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,120 Speaker 3: many kids does she have? Does she even know? 1157 01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:28,160 Speaker 1: Yeah? 1158 01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:28,520 Speaker 5: Right? 1159 01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,160 Speaker 1: She was yeah, yeah, yeah right right? Does she know? 1160 01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,760 Speaker 1: I mean there's there's no much clue, yeah. 1161 01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:35,240 Speaker 2: Right, Because It could have just been a bank teller 1162 01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:37,520 Speaker 2: who's like, and there you go, mister Dean, there's your 1163 01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:38,680 Speaker 2: deposit slip. 1164 01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:40,760 Speaker 1: And he's like thank you. And Dolly part's like this 1165 01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:44,080 Speaker 1: motherfucker traffic mo man and she's like, money, I don't 1166 01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:46,520 Speaker 1: even know you or him what I'm at my child, 1167 01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,720 Speaker 1: all right. So this is when around the time when 1168 01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:53,000 Speaker 1: her movie career kicks off. It's also when country fans 1169 01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,440 Speaker 1: start getting mad at her for selling out and going pop. 1170 01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,560 Speaker 1: She has another good quote around this, She said, I'm 1171 01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,360 Speaker 1: not leaving it, take it with me and taking it 1172 01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,919 Speaker 1: to new places about country. I just want to also 1173 01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:09,280 Speaker 1: say this is I remember from you know, the aughts, 1174 01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,280 Speaker 1: this same backlash happening to Taylor Swift totally. And I 1175 01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,480 Speaker 1: just want to say, if you're if you're a country 1176 01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,600 Speaker 1: singer and you ever start getting ship for going pop 1177 01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,800 Speaker 1: and you're not making up a fictional character named Chris Gaines, 1178 01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:25,800 Speaker 1: you're probably on the right track. It seems to work out, yeah, 1179 01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,560 Speaker 1: for country singers when they go pop and their fans 1180 01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,880 Speaker 1: are like, this is tupop Taylor Swift did? I think 1181 01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,440 Speaker 1: it worked out for her and Dolly likewise, And. 1182 01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:35,640 Speaker 3: I feel like in the last year and a half 1183 01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:37,200 Speaker 3: two years, we've been going through a thing of now 1184 01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:39,320 Speaker 3: pop stars wanted to go country. Everyone in their grandma 1185 01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:40,280 Speaker 3: will wants a country song. 1186 01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:40,480 Speaker 1: Now. 1187 01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:42,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean, You've got people that 1188 01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,680 Speaker 3: are sort of splitting the difference. I mean, Sabrina Carpenter 1189 01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:46,480 Speaker 3: came and did the Opry, you know what I mean. 1190 01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,080 Speaker 3: She's you know, she did a song with Dolly Parton. 1191 01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:53,400 Speaker 1: She seems very influenced by Dolly Parton. Really yeah, I. 1192 01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:55,440 Speaker 3: Feel like she's kind of a little Dolly reincarnate. To 1193 01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,640 Speaker 3: be honest, Like I wasn't really aware of who she was, 1194 01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,040 Speaker 3: and then I like listened to sumb of her music 1195 01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,280 Speaker 3: and then did a research on her songwriting, and I 1196 01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:03,360 Speaker 3: was like, well, look at this little makes She's a 1197 01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:04,240 Speaker 3: little tongue. 1198 01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:09,400 Speaker 1: And she Yeah, her sexual double entendres. Like really feel 1199 01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:12,800 Speaker 1: like any anytime you get just a quote from Dolly 1200 01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,520 Speaker 1: Parton talking about sex, it's always sounds like a Sabrina 1201 01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:22,280 Speaker 1: Carpent earlier. Yeah, she is friends with Jane Fonda and 1202 01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:26,280 Speaker 1: Jane Fonda's friend Karen Nussbom started a real life organization 1203 01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,320 Speaker 1: for female office workers called nine to five, and they 1204 01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,520 Speaker 1: decided they wanted to make a movie about it. At first, 1205 01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:33,680 Speaker 1: it was going to be a drama about three secretaries 1206 01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:37,800 Speaker 1: murdering their boss, and then they eventually decided to make 1207 01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:41,680 Speaker 1: it a comedy, and they write the character of Dora 1208 01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:45,360 Speaker 1: Lee specifically for Dolly Parton, even though she'd never acted before, 1209 01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,400 Speaker 1: and fond of reason that Parton songs have a kind 1210 01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,560 Speaker 1: of depth in humanity that made me feel like she 1211 01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:53,800 Speaker 1: could act and people would want to see the movie 1212 01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,640 Speaker 1: because of her, because at this time she was again 1213 01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:00,720 Speaker 1: like famous for being the hottest person on the planet. 1214 01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,680 Speaker 1: The only condition she had for doing the movie was 1215 01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,040 Speaker 1: that she could write the theme song, and that's when 1216 01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,680 Speaker 1: she writes the song on the back of her script 1217 01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:12,160 Speaker 1: on set and then is like, hey, Jane Fonda, Hey, 1218 01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:15,080 Speaker 1: Lily Tomlin, come over here, starts tapping her nails and 1219 01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:15,480 Speaker 1: is like. 1220 01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:21,760 Speaker 2: They're like, yeah, I think that's that fucking works Jane 1221 01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:23,400 Speaker 2: Fonda and then Lily Tomman like turned. 1222 01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:29,360 Speaker 7: Their back, like this motherfucker's so the fuck fucking deal 1223 01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,320 Speaker 7: with this up of ambition. That's such a fucking great 1224 01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:36,000 Speaker 7: throwaway and the way to describe coffee. She was, by 1225 01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,600 Speaker 7: the way, sued by the writers of a song called 1226 01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:39,800 Speaker 7: money World, who claimed that nine to five was a 1227 01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:44,120 Speaker 7: rip off. It's unfortunately impossible to find that song on 1228 01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:47,200 Speaker 7: any streaming platform because there are three million rap songs 1229 01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:50,200 Speaker 7: called money World that have come out in the past 1230 01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:51,320 Speaker 7: three years alone. 1231 01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:57,400 Speaker 1: Best Little Whoreuse in Texas comes out. She's described the 1232 01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,000 Speaker 1: difference between making nine to five and the difference between 1233 01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,680 Speaker 1: making Best Little Hohouse in Texas is the difference between 1234 01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:07,120 Speaker 1: like your first sexual experience with like a very gentle 1235 01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:12,120 Speaker 1: lover and then being sexually assaulted. The Best Little Whorehouse 1236 01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:15,880 Speaker 1: in Texas was apparently a fucking nightmare. There was a 1237 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:20,040 Speaker 1: bumper sticker at the time in Hollywood that said, hunk, 1238 01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:23,320 Speaker 1: if you've been fired from Best Little Whorehouse because so 1239 01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:28,120 Speaker 1: many people were being craziest said of that, yeah, that's hilarious. 1240 01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:32,080 Speaker 1: But it was a big financial success and people, you know, 1241 01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:34,440 Speaker 1: loved her in it, and that's where she's saying, I 1242 01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:37,959 Speaker 1: will always love you. That gives that song another second life. 1243 01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:44,120 Speaker 1: Then she makes Rhinestone and it's a critical and commercial failure. 1244 01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:47,800 Speaker 1: Sylvester Saloon talks about it as the most fun he's 1245 01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:51,480 Speaker 1: ever had making a movie. Where's the Story from Dolly 1246 01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:55,000 Speaker 1: Parton from it make him sound like the biggest fucking 1247 01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:59,280 Speaker 1: asshole in the history of the world. At one point 1248 01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:04,720 Speaker 1: on set, she saw an unhoused man while shooting on 1249 01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,960 Speaker 1: location in New York, wraps a shawl around him for 1250 01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:12,200 Speaker 1: a warmth, and Stallone comes up, pulls it off and 1251 01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,240 Speaker 1: says that the man's poverty is his own fault, and 1252 01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,760 Speaker 1: Dolly quote says, I grabbed the shawl back from him 1253 01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:21,480 Speaker 1: and wrapped it back around the man. Then I stood 1254 01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:23,760 Speaker 1: up right in SLID's face and said, hey, look that 1255 01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:26,320 Speaker 1: could have been you, you ungrateful son of a bitch. 1256 01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:32,000 Speaker 1: Except by the grace of God. Stallone still calls Rhyinstone 1257 01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:35,880 Speaker 1: the most fun. It was really fun. Made a movie 1258 01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:43,560 Speaker 1: a lot Dolly Parton loves Bums or something, so a 1259 01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:45,200 Speaker 1: wild movie. I do love it. 1260 01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,560 Speaker 3: I own it on DVD when I bought my car 1261 01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:49,920 Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen. I have a different car now, but 1262 01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,400 Speaker 3: it had a DVD player in it, and I specifically, yeah, 1263 01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:55,000 Speaker 3: I could watch right like. I literally had three DVDs 1264 01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,080 Speaker 3: in my car and it was Rhyinstone. 1265 01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,720 Speaker 1: It's so good. The other one was trapped in the 1266 01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,080 Speaker 1: claw it. I'm not proud of it, but you're watching 1267 01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,960 Speaker 1: the art Kelly Trapped in the closet, DVDs in your car. 1268 01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:06,160 Speaker 1: I had it in the car. 1269 01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:07,600 Speaker 3: Would be fun, just a pop I used to think 1270 01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:11,760 Speaker 3: it was a funny bit. Yeah, yeah, it on and 1271 01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:14,360 Speaker 3: people and they'd get in and they'd open the door 1272 01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:16,960 Speaker 3: and they'd be like and they open to the door and. 1273 01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:20,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah right, I just this little person doing He's like, 1274 01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,200 Speaker 1: come on, keep watching, keep watching, keep watching, keep watching. 1275 01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:24,040 Speaker 7: Wow. 1276 01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:27,800 Speaker 1: So this is also the time that she becomes like 1277 01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:31,920 Speaker 1: a national sex symbol, international sex symbol. 1278 01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:32,560 Speaker 7: Uh. 1279 01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:36,320 Speaker 1: She's talked about how the inspiration for her style was 1280 01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,280 Speaker 1: the town tramp. When she was a child, she saw 1281 01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,240 Speaker 1: a woman in her town who people would call trash 1282 01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,600 Speaker 1: because she dressed in tight dresses and had high heels 1283 01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:50,000 Speaker 1: with plastic goldfish in them. Oh, what she's describing is 1284 01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:52,800 Speaker 1: basically like a what what a move? How a movie 1285 01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:54,920 Speaker 1: dresses someone to be like this is a sex worker. 1286 01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:58,600 Speaker 1: And she was just like that's fucking fire, Like that 1287 01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:03,720 Speaker 1: looks amazing, And she would like get punished for dressing 1288 01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:05,920 Speaker 1: the way she did, but that was just like her 1289 01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:09,400 Speaker 1: first experience with being like that's just me being me, 1290 01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:12,560 Speaker 1: Like I just think this is fucking cool, which I didn't. 1291 01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:15,400 Speaker 1: I didn't realize it was like such an early affectation. 1292 01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:18,480 Speaker 1: I assumed it was like a thing where the people 1293 01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:20,680 Speaker 1: like the label was like we got to sex this 1294 01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,280 Speaker 1: up or something. She's just like always been like that. 1295 01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,680 Speaker 1: I think that looks good. I think that's like the best. 1296 01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:28,120 Speaker 1: That's what I did. 1297 01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,480 Speaker 3: Things is there's not as many of them as there 1298 01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:33,280 Speaker 3: used to be. At Dollywood, there was a museum called 1299 01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,560 Speaker 3: the Chasing Rainbow's Museum that predates the current like Dolly 1300 01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:39,720 Speaker 3: Parton experience, And it was this two story museum that 1301 01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:43,080 Speaker 3: was filled to the brim and I'm talking like walls 1302 01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,920 Speaker 3: collaged with notes, handwritten things, pictures, people, places, things that 1303 01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,520 Speaker 3: she had all these pictures, and there was lovely pictures 1304 01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:51,600 Speaker 3: of her and like the sixties and the seventies just 1305 01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:55,080 Speaker 3: like off like like not on a TV show, like 1306 01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:57,640 Speaker 3: her and hot pants next to a fucking horse, you 1307 01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:00,000 Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like her walking down the shore 1308 01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,400 Speaker 3: holding kitty cats in hot pants and you're just like. 1309 01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:04,320 Speaker 1: Oh so you really were just about like. 1310 01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:08,280 Speaker 3: You are in the skin tight sweater and the smallest 1311 01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:11,440 Speaker 3: shorts I've ever seen and nine inch high heels walking 1312 01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:15,320 Speaker 3: down a gravel road a horse like, let me go, bitch, Yeah, 1313 01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:18,960 Speaker 3: give it, yeah, no wonder. Carl was like, Babe, as 1314 01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:20,519 Speaker 3: long as you come home and put those shorts on, 1315 01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:22,840 Speaker 3: she swear for the week. 1316 01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,639 Speaker 6: Yeah, I will be in a dark room. Yeah yeah, 1317 01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:31,280 Speaker 6: by myself if that's what it takes. Also the pavement, 1318 01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:35,719 Speaker 6: I'm curious the idea of the goldfish in the shoe 1319 01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:39,080 Speaker 6: that first came to me from I'm going to Get You, Suka, 1320 01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:42,040 Speaker 6: where there's you know, a fly guy who was the 1321 01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:44,559 Speaker 6: pimp who had the goldfish in the heels And now. 1322 01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:47,720 Speaker 1: I'm like ripping off Dolly Parton. Lord, Like how far 1323 01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:51,920 Speaker 1: I mean have a false memory from yeah? 1324 01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:52,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? 1325 01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,760 Speaker 1: Or like did she because it like I I got 1326 01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,720 Speaker 1: that from movies? But she does like say that in 1327 01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,519 Speaker 1: her story about like being the town tramp and being 1328 01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:04,760 Speaker 1: everybody calling her trash and her being like, no, that's 1329 01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:07,200 Speaker 1: what I want to look like. That fucking rules. So 1330 01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:08,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, well no. 1331 01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,600 Speaker 3: Pleasers have existed for a very long time. Pleasers is 1332 01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:13,360 Speaker 3: a company that makes a specific time when you think 1333 01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:16,439 Speaker 3: of stripper shoe that's a pleaser, and Plesures does make 1334 01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:19,320 Speaker 3: a like a version that is the bigger crylic that 1335 01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:20,920 Speaker 3: has a hole that you can fill it with whatever 1336 01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:23,160 Speaker 3: you want. You could quote litter, you could fill it 1337 01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:25,240 Speaker 3: with sand, you can fill it with water and fish, 1338 01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:27,439 Speaker 3: you could fill it with money like and those have 1339 01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:30,479 Speaker 3: been around forever, so I think both can be true. 1340 01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:32,240 Speaker 2: I think that, Yeah, you know, I'm just saying, like, 1341 01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:33,880 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, That's all I feel like 1342 01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:38,519 Speaker 2: you're in my mind. Keenan Ivory Wayne's was referencing uh, 1343 01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:39,880 Speaker 2: Dolly parton. 1344 01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:43,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, there's a good anecdote from her first time 1345 01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:47,080 Speaker 1: visiting New York City where I think it was her 1346 01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:51,200 Speaker 1: and Judy were interested in seeing a porno movie on 1347 01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:53,800 Speaker 1: forty second Street because that's what Time Square was back then. 1348 01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:57,200 Speaker 1: I love that for them. And they were there and 1349 01:09:57,320 --> 01:10:00,759 Speaker 1: she was dressed as she dresses, and they were mistaken 1350 01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:04,280 Speaker 1: for sex workers and her asked by some guy and 1351 01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:07,160 Speaker 1: Dolly was packing a gun and pulled a gun on 1352 01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:10,040 Speaker 1: the guy and threatened to quote, turn him from a 1353 01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:13,120 Speaker 1: rooster to a hen. And that line was later worked 1354 01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:15,240 Speaker 1: into Nine to five. She does say that in the 1355 01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:18,679 Speaker 1: movie Nine to five, like she just like has movie 1356 01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:22,040 Speaker 1: lines coming out of her at all times. She posed 1357 01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:26,720 Speaker 1: in Playboy, not nude, but was the cover model and 1358 01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,560 Speaker 1: Barbara Walters interviewed her at this time and was like 1359 01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:36,280 Speaker 1: trying condescending, Yeah, condescending as fuck, but then like eventually 1360 01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:40,639 Speaker 1: was like I eventually realized her insides. One tas phony 1361 01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:44,800 Speaker 1: is her outsides, and basically like fell in love with 1362 01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:47,920 Speaker 1: her Episoda America. But I feel like that's the journey 1363 01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:52,000 Speaker 1: everyone who found out about her as like sex symbol 1364 01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:56,120 Speaker 1: boob lady. You know, eventually you get to know her 1365 01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:59,000 Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my god, Like fuck, mother, Teresa, 1366 01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:02,519 Speaker 1: We've got you get a real living scene here. Yeah, 1367 01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:06,360 Speaker 1: so not everything she touches turns to gold. I do 1368 01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:10,240 Speaker 1: want to talk about this sitcom that has just a 1369 01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:14,720 Speaker 1: crazy story. So nineteen ninety three, CBS creates a show 1370 01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:18,320 Speaker 1: called Heaven's to Betsy that's about an egotistical country star 1371 01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:22,120 Speaker 1: who dies gets sent back to Earth make amends. So 1372 01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:25,719 Speaker 1: this feels like the character she was made to play, 1373 01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:30,400 Speaker 1: an angel country singer. The production was a disaster. The 1374 01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:33,519 Speaker 1: show was hampered by behind the scenes problems because the 1375 01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:36,040 Speaker 1: writers were in LA The show was filmed in Orlando 1376 01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:41,639 Speaker 1: and a new producing team was hired and they actually 1377 01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,040 Speaker 1: like got into a kicking and punching fight in the 1378 01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:49,080 Speaker 1: writer's room. Wow. So they produced six episodes in six 1379 01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:52,040 Speaker 1: months and airge zero. 1380 01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:55,000 Speaker 3: Oh shit, I just can't imagine caring that much about 1381 01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:56,800 Speaker 3: a script I'm writing to like punch somebody in the 1382 01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,639 Speaker 3: face and be like, all right, right your way before 1383 01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:04,880 Speaker 3: like all right, okay, you're obviously big bad do it. 1384 01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:08,679 Speaker 2: I've been I've been at writers like people get super 1385 01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:11,439 Speaker 2: like you can hear their voice shaking, like they're about 1386 01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:14,599 Speaker 2: to start crying over some shit, and that's when you go, okay, yeah, 1387 01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:16,560 Speaker 2: let's try let's try that. 1388 01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:19,240 Speaker 1: But when it comes to Havings Tabetsy, the steaks are high. 1389 01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:20,240 Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. 1390 01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:23,000 Speaker 1: Because she was also indirectly responsible for one of the 1391 01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:26,639 Speaker 1: biggest disasters in TV history, of the Chevy Chase Show, 1392 01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:31,000 Speaker 1: because Fox approached her about hosting their late night talk 1393 01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:35,439 Speaker 1: show and she was like, fuck, you know, I'd really 1394 01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:39,400 Speaker 1: love to what about Chevy Chase from SNL He'd be 1395 01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:44,559 Speaker 1: good And they were like, oh okay, and they hired 1396 01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:47,360 Speaker 1: Chevy Chase and it was a fucking disaster. Wow. But 1397 01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:52,320 Speaker 1: she's also has a production company. It's called sand Dollar 1398 01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:57,320 Speaker 1: because it's Sandy I forget his last name, but her 1399 01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:02,600 Speaker 1: producing partner who passed away. I want yes, Sandy Cofaxes. No, no, 1400 01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:08,519 Speaker 1: that's a Koenig maybe. Oh god. Anyways, the things called 1401 01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:12,719 Speaker 1: sand Dollar. They produced the movie Father of the Bride 1402 01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:16,640 Speaker 1: and the TV show Buffy the Vampire Slag. That's right, 1403 01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:22,240 Speaker 1: I remember that. Yeah, she still sends the cast Christmas Presents. 1404 01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:24,680 Speaker 1: I wonder she involved in the reboot because they're rebooting that. 1405 01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:28,720 Speaker 1: I know, but I don't know. Yeah, let's see. She 1406 01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:32,479 Speaker 1: once entered a Dolly Parton lookalike contest that was like, 1407 01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:37,720 Speaker 1: you know, a drag contest at a LGBTQ bar and 1408 01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:42,280 Speaker 1: competed against drag queens who were doing Dolly Parton uh 1409 01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:45,360 Speaker 1: and were quote prettier than I could ever dream of being. 1410 01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:49,760 Speaker 1: She lost and received the least applause of any contestant 1411 01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:52,760 Speaker 1: when she took the stage, like on the low or 1412 01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:54,880 Speaker 1: she was like, yeah, they're not going to. 1413 01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:57,160 Speaker 6: It was. 1414 01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:59,519 Speaker 1: It was a place that was in Knoxville that she 1415 01:13:59,640 --> 01:13:59,880 Speaker 1: went to. 1416 01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:02,200 Speaker 3: They do like a Dolly Parton, Like Night of a 1417 01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:05,160 Speaker 3: Thousand Dollies is a big thing out here for drop clubs, 1418 01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:08,160 Speaker 3: So it was like a Night of a Thousand Dollaries thing. 1419 01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:11,280 Speaker 2: And she also yeah, you like there's already yeah, yeah, 1420 01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:13,639 Speaker 2: big blonde wigs going around, so it's not you're gonna 1421 01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:14,719 Speaker 2: notice the other Wow. 1422 01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:18,760 Speaker 1: She's even thirties. Yeah, I mean I get it. She's 1423 01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:21,360 Speaker 1: not you know, she's she's she's not quite drag queen. 1424 01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:23,160 Speaker 1: But she was the real deal, I guess. 1425 01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:25,360 Speaker 3: I mean she had her own variety show too. You 1426 01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:27,120 Speaker 3: didn't talk about that. She had a whole show called 1427 01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:27,920 Speaker 3: The Show that was. 1428 01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:31,599 Speaker 1: Five years right, those very popular broke a bunch of people. 1429 01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:34,840 Speaker 3: There was weird sketches. There's a weird sketch, but she 1430 01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:38,240 Speaker 3: like Mary's Hulk Hogan. There's like a lot of weird stuff. 1431 01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:40,280 Speaker 3: Like Bobcat Goldfoot was on it. I had a really 1432 01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:42,120 Speaker 3: good conversation with Bob Cat about like what the hell 1433 01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:44,040 Speaker 3: was not like being on like the Dolly Parton Show, 1434 01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:45,599 Speaker 3: And he was like, yeah, I was really on drugs 1435 01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:46,120 Speaker 3: at that time. 1436 01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:50,639 Speaker 1: But like it was crazy. He's like those episodes are 1437 01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:50,920 Speaker 1: like that. 1438 01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:53,200 Speaker 3: That show was all over the place, but like the 1439 01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:55,479 Speaker 3: set was beautiful, Like they used to have the swing 1440 01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:57,880 Speaker 3: from the set and then the backdrop at Dollywood at 1441 01:14:57,880 --> 01:14:59,679 Speaker 3: that museum I told you about, but it does they've 1442 01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:00,960 Speaker 3: taken out now, it doesn't exist now. 1443 01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:04,920 Speaker 1: It's in their archives. But so much. Yeah, I know, 1444 01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:08,120 Speaker 1: there's so much. Like so she opens Dollywood in eighty 1445 01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:13,960 Speaker 1: six I think, which it had been another amusement park 1446 01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:16,200 Speaker 1: that was like Civil War themed. 1447 01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:19,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, basically it's like she's in partnership with Herschel brothers 1448 01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:21,639 Speaker 3: who own a lot of parks. They also own parks 1449 01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:24,200 Speaker 3: that are up in Branson, Missouri. But I think it 1450 01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:26,040 Speaker 3: was called like it was like a Silver Dollar City 1451 01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:26,680 Speaker 3: or something like that. 1452 01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:28,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, Silver Doors City is what it was called. Yeah, 1453 01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:34,200 Speaker 1: and it's massive. It has a like exact replica of 1454 01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:37,880 Speaker 1: the one room cabin that she was born in, so 1455 01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:43,000 Speaker 1: you can go in there look at the fucking newspaper wallpaper. 1456 01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:47,880 Speaker 1: But it also had a show called the Dixie Stampede. 1457 01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:49,639 Speaker 1: I remember the Stampede. 1458 01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:52,599 Speaker 3: This is separate than Dollywood though, let me be Yeah, 1459 01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:55,320 Speaker 3: it's near the Dollar Yeah, it's nearby. It's in downtown 1460 01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:58,719 Speaker 3: Pigeon Forge. There's a lot of sort of dinner theater shows. 1461 01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:02,200 Speaker 3: The exists, so there's like a hat feel and McCoy one. 1462 01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:06,320 Speaker 3: This was used to be called the Dixie Stampede. I 1463 01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:08,040 Speaker 3: believe it was. What it was, is that what it's 1464 01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:09,360 Speaker 3: called NOLLA that was used to call it. 1465 01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:13,640 Speaker 1: It used to be called Dolly Parton's Dixie Stampede, and 1466 01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:17,160 Speaker 1: now it's just called Dolly Partons Stampede or Dolly Stampede. Yes, 1467 01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:22,559 Speaker 1: but it is the most visited dinner theater in the world. 1468 01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:28,880 Speaker 1: It's incredibly successful. It's pretty fucking cool. It's and that's 1469 01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:32,280 Speaker 1: where they took down all the Confederate iconography. So that 1470 01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:35,439 Speaker 1: so that happened, and they took down the iconograph. Yes, 1471 01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:40,160 Speaker 1: so it became a major controversy. In twenty seventeen, Aisha 1472 01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:45,000 Speaker 1: Harris wrote an article for Slate basically pointing out that 1473 01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:49,040 Speaker 1: it's basically civil war medieval times. They restaged battles between 1474 01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:53,080 Speaker 1: the North and South, with audiences cheering for both sides. 1475 01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:59,000 Speaker 1: Nobody mentioned slavery At a Branson, Missouri location. The building 1476 01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:02,760 Speaker 1: is designed to look like a plantation and there's also 1477 01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:09,320 Speaker 1: like a the bathrooms are segregated for Southerners only and 1478 01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:12,400 Speaker 1: Northerners only. Wow, So it's. 1479 01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:18,000 Speaker 9: It wasn't great that Jim Crow shit, like exactly, she 1480 01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:21,599 Speaker 9: is so wild. It's like just just between North and South, 1481 01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:24,160 Speaker 9: you know, not race to be fair. 1482 01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:28,400 Speaker 3: Like Pigeon Forge is literally like take the worst parts 1483 01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:32,240 Speaker 3: of Florida that you've ever imagined, and take like the 1484 01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:34,880 Speaker 3: shittiest part of Las Vegas and then like put all 1485 01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:37,519 Speaker 3: of those people together, Like that's kind of what Like 1486 01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:40,360 Speaker 3: it's like Pigeon Forge. It's just terrible people from the 1487 01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:43,240 Speaker 3: South visiting. It's like the people there are not it's 1488 01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:44,960 Speaker 3: not not people that live there. People that live there 1489 01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:49,080 Speaker 3: are great, But like the tourist influx is a it's 1490 01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:49,599 Speaker 3: a little rough. 1491 01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:55,559 Speaker 1: It's a little rough. So after that article, she does listen, 1492 01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:58,120 Speaker 1: she changes the name. She takes out a lot of 1493 01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:02,000 Speaker 1: the Civil War shit. They changes the name to Dolly 1494 01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:05,880 Speaker 1: Parton's Stampede. The North still fights the South, but in 1495 01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:11,320 Speaker 1: pig races and chicken catching contests, and the overt references 1496 01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:14,479 Speaker 1: to war removed. The colors of their uniforms are changed 1497 01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,240 Speaker 1: so that Northerners wear red in the South wore blue, 1498 01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:21,040 Speaker 1: and then around Christmas it's like between red and green. 1499 01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:25,160 Speaker 3: But and honestly, I've gone there's not even a lot 1500 01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:27,800 Speaker 3: of that, like sides cheering, Like for the most part, 1501 01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:32,240 Speaker 3: it's a horse show horse really cool shit on horses, 1502 01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:36,479 Speaker 3: like jumping through coops, on fire and barrel racing and 1503 01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:38,240 Speaker 3: all that stuff. And then they have these little tiny, 1504 01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:41,400 Speaker 3: like let's race these pigs. Who wants this pig to win? Right, 1505 01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:44,400 Speaker 3: Like they don't really mention any of that. And then 1506 01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:47,439 Speaker 3: like the meal they serve you is I was gonna say, 1507 01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:51,080 Speaker 3: it's crazy, Like it starts with bread rolls. Then they 1508 01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:55,479 Speaker 3: bring you this like milky like corn chowdery vegetable soup thing. 1509 01:18:56,200 --> 01:19:00,760 Speaker 3: Then they bring you a whole chicken. Hell yeah, and 1510 01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:03,479 Speaker 3: slices of pork loin if you'd like that in addition 1511 01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:07,200 Speaker 3: to your chicken. Then a whole baked potato. Then like 1512 01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:09,479 Speaker 3: a pile of vegetables or a salad I forget. And 1513 01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:11,960 Speaker 3: then at the end, it's like apple crisp like there 1514 01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:14,280 Speaker 3: it's so much food, Like I didn't I didn't even 1515 01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:15,920 Speaker 3: take the pork, like I barely. 1516 01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:18,080 Speaker 1: I was like, I am wasting so much food. 1517 01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:20,920 Speaker 3: Like she's so crazy, Like you give my four year 1518 01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:23,240 Speaker 3: old a hold chicken? Yeah, we were like can we 1519 01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:26,120 Speaker 3: just split one? Yeah, it's like literally the old chicken. 1520 01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:28,559 Speaker 3: You're like sick, I'll eat this old chicken. 1521 01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:33,160 Speaker 1: I'll eat the leg. Okay. She said about this controversy. 1522 01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:35,080 Speaker 1: As soon as you realize that something is a problem, 1523 01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:37,439 Speaker 1: you should fix it. Don't be a dumbass. That's where 1524 01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:39,400 Speaker 1: my heart is. I would never dream of hurting anybody 1525 01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:44,000 Speaker 1: on purpose. She is very involved in philanthropy, mentioned that 1526 01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:49,200 Speaker 1: she donated a million dollars to vaccine research right when 1527 01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:54,120 Speaker 1: people started doing that, and they credit her with being 1528 01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:58,519 Speaker 1: very helpful. She's indirectly connected to one of the most 1529 01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:01,719 Speaker 1: headline grabbing moments and scientist history with Dolly the Sheep, 1530 01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:05,599 Speaker 1: and there's just like boob jokes about her all the time, 1531 01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:09,360 Speaker 1: and like they're like you see her go on talk 1532 01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:13,320 Speaker 1: shows back in the day, and uh, fucking Johnny Carson's 1533 01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:15,840 Speaker 1: like I'd give a week's salary to get a look 1534 01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:19,679 Speaker 1: under there, and like she just has the best Yeah, 1535 01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,720 Speaker 1: she has the best boob jokes though, She's like, I 1536 01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:25,759 Speaker 1: think the best one was she was like I burned 1537 01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:27,880 Speaker 1: my bra once and it took the fire department like 1538 01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:31,640 Speaker 1: three weeks to put out the fire. Pretty solid. But 1539 01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:33,599 Speaker 1: like in the case of the Dolly thing, she told 1540 01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:36,040 Speaker 1: the press that she was flattered that the clone was 1541 01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:38,679 Speaker 1: named after her, so she just just kind of like, yeah, 1542 01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:39,800 Speaker 1: fuck it, you know. 1543 01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:43,080 Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, okay, one of the most famous scientific 1544 01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:44,479 Speaker 2: breakthroughs is named after me. 1545 01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:47,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, go ahead, Yeah, I love that for the brain. 1546 01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:50,320 Speaker 1: Not only did she donate to the vaccine, she was 1547 01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:52,280 Speaker 1: one of the first people to get vaccine on camera, 1548 01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:55,919 Speaker 1: singing a new version of Joe Lene with the lyrics vaccine, vaccine, 1549 01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:58,960 Speaker 1: I'm begging of you, please don't hesitate, because once you're 1550 01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:02,120 Speaker 1: dead then it's a bit too late. Also donated millions 1551 01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:06,720 Speaker 1: to AIDS research. Her Imagination Library charity has distributed more 1552 01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,840 Speaker 1: than one hundred million books to children across the world, 1553 01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:13,880 Speaker 1: motivated by her dad, who was the smartest person she 1554 01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:17,960 Speaker 1: ever met and illiterate. So she really missed with that 1555 01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:23,360 Speaker 1: TV career. Yeah, I mean she launched on The porter 1556 01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:26,040 Speaker 1: Wagoner Show, which was a TV show and had some 1557 01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:29,880 Speaker 1: like great small moments on TV, but like didn't really 1558 01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:33,360 Speaker 1: and Hannah Montana and Montana, you know, broke her to 1559 01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:34,280 Speaker 1: a new generation. 1560 01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:36,920 Speaker 3: So but that's why I think it's important that we 1561 01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:39,639 Speaker 3: stop and we acknowledgable then if she didn't make TV money, 1562 01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:41,120 Speaker 3: she made some movie money. 1563 01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:42,559 Speaker 1: How did she make all this money? 1564 01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:43,240 Speaker 5: Right? 1565 01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:45,040 Speaker 3: And that's why we need to point back to the 1566 01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:47,920 Speaker 3: best business decision she ever made that many musicians do not, 1567 01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:51,439 Speaker 3: particularly women in her era and songwriters in her era. 1568 01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:55,439 Speaker 3: This woman fought for and retained the entirety of her 1569 01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:57,920 Speaker 3: publishing rights for the entirety of her career. 1570 01:21:58,240 --> 01:21:58,400 Speaker 7: Yeah. 1571 01:21:58,479 --> 01:21:59,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is so huge. 1572 01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:02,519 Speaker 3: Not to give like a mini like dissertation on how 1573 01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:06,320 Speaker 3: royalties work, but like basically, you know, there's several parts 1574 01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:08,920 Speaker 3: of that pie, and most performers receive a quarter of 1575 01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:12,360 Speaker 3: that pie because they're just performing the song and that's it. 1576 01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:15,360 Speaker 3: On the other hand, Dahlia's composed the song, Dahlia's written 1577 01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:17,880 Speaker 3: the lyrics, Dahlia's performed the lyrics, and Dolli has recorded 1578 01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:19,960 Speaker 3: it so that bitch gets paid on all four sides 1579 01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:22,240 Speaker 3: of her record, which is how she has made money, 1580 01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:25,280 Speaker 3: and not selling her songs or giving away publishing rights 1581 01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:30,679 Speaker 3: to people like Elvis Presley the biggest songs to Whitney 1582 01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:33,200 Speaker 3: Houston didn't get publishing on that song, and Whitney Houston 1583 01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:34,559 Speaker 3: still did just fine, you. 1584 01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:37,000 Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying. Yeah, So that's what she's doing. 1585 01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:39,840 Speaker 1: She's killing it off that Whitney Houston song to this day, 1586 01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:41,960 Speaker 1: killing and just making so much money. 1587 01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:44,120 Speaker 3: And she's I think one of the unique examples of 1588 01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:48,840 Speaker 3: truly wealthy people that should be a billionaire that are 1589 01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:53,000 Speaker 3: not because they give back. You didn't even talk about 1590 01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:55,880 Speaker 3: like the amount of like local level sort of support 1591 01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:58,679 Speaker 3: that she's given. She has songs that she is given 1592 01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:00,560 Speaker 3: to local people, Like every time I'm there is a 1593 01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:04,439 Speaker 3: tragedy here, this woman literally pays people. She was paying 1594 01:23:04,479 --> 01:23:06,840 Speaker 3: people families I think upwards of four thousand dollars a 1595 01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:10,080 Speaker 3: month during fires when the first round of fires that 1596 01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:12,920 Speaker 3: plays through the appellationians. She also has a thing in 1597 01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:15,080 Speaker 3: Severeville that if you are a resident of severe For 1598 01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:17,439 Speaker 3: and you graduate high school, she was giving kids three 1599 01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:19,760 Speaker 3: hundred bucks if you just like sent her your thing 1600 01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:23,120 Speaker 3: that you graduated college, I mean graduated high school. Like, 1601 01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:25,679 Speaker 3: she has low level incentives that are just for people 1602 01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:27,920 Speaker 3: that live in the area that she was like raised 1603 01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:31,520 Speaker 3: in and like the dedication to that is pretty remarkable. 1604 01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:34,320 Speaker 3: And obviously Dollywood makes a shit ton of money. It's 1605 01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:36,920 Speaker 3: not the only like resort that she has. She has 1606 01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:40,439 Speaker 3: a whole universe of resorts and attractions that are in 1607 01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:42,880 Speaker 3: Pigeon Forge now that people go through that. She provides 1608 01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:45,320 Speaker 3: employment benefits if you work from me. 1609 01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:48,559 Speaker 1: She treats her employees really well. Evaluate but she will 1610 01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:51,840 Speaker 1: put you through college. You through college, yeah, for work. 1611 01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:52,920 Speaker 1: You had an amusement park. 1612 01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:56,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, such a just good just it's a good lesson 1613 01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:58,600 Speaker 2: I think generally, not even if you're a celebrity of 1614 01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:02,280 Speaker 2: like it really is what you put out in the world, Yes, 1615 01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:05,519 Speaker 2: you know, because that it can come back, Like you 1616 01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:07,719 Speaker 2: you really need to think of like what your output 1617 01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:10,560 Speaker 2: is into the world, because if you're very generous in 1618 01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:12,800 Speaker 2: giving with that, like not to say you're going to 1619 01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:15,639 Speaker 2: be Dolly Parton, but not only will you feel better, 1620 01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:18,200 Speaker 2: but chances are you're going to build enough goodwill with 1621 01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:21,280 Speaker 2: other people in your community or whatever that well, you're 1622 01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:22,160 Speaker 2: going to have you back. 1623 01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:22,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1624 01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:25,439 Speaker 3: And how you define wealth is your own personal thing, 1625 01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:28,080 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like I considering myself very wealthy, 1626 01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:29,640 Speaker 3: but like I'm not Dolly Parton. 1627 01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:30,320 Speaker 1: Rich, you know what I mean. 1628 01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:33,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I've spent time in enriching my life and 1629 01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:35,120 Speaker 3: trying to give back, and I feel wealthy and like 1630 01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:38,479 Speaker 3: the relationships and the friendships and like everything that I 1631 01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:40,400 Speaker 3: have and that is so meaningful. And that's one of 1632 01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:42,840 Speaker 3: the biggest things I take away from watching her is like, 1633 01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:45,200 Speaker 3: how can I downplay this? How can I make a 1634 01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:46,800 Speaker 3: mini version of this for my life? 1635 01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:49,080 Speaker 1: What do you think you would be a shitty person 1636 01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:51,000 Speaker 1: if you didn't go to that concert and then have 1637 01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:53,960 Speaker 1: your head, like your mind totally blown by seeing Dolly Parton, 1638 01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:59,760 Speaker 1: like and you would yeah, yes, I do. 1639 01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:02,120 Speaker 3: Like I was a wild piece of shit and like 1640 01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:05,120 Speaker 3: it took me a while to figure things out, And 1641 01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:07,200 Speaker 3: like I was before I started comedy, I was in 1642 01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:10,439 Speaker 3: a very like intense career. It's like I worked for 1643 01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:12,280 Speaker 3: a record label. I was in the music business, Like 1644 01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:14,720 Speaker 3: I was being taught to be ruthless and the only 1645 01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:17,320 Speaker 3: thing that mattered was my job. And like she truly 1646 01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:19,479 Speaker 3: did teach me balance, you know what I mean, And 1647 01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:22,560 Speaker 3: then me being like, oh I do I can be 1648 01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:24,800 Speaker 3: creative and be a business person at the same time, 1649 01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:27,240 Speaker 3: and like gave me the like passion to follow my 1650 01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:30,200 Speaker 3: own passion, and then also realizing, oh, I can't also 1651 01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:32,679 Speaker 3: just only do comedy and not think about my family 1652 01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:35,679 Speaker 3: and friends and not have time for myself. Like honestly, 1653 01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:39,320 Speaker 3: like she taught me balance, she taught me perseverance. She 1654 01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:42,000 Speaker 3: taught me also taking risks and not being afraid to 1655 01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:44,120 Speaker 3: take risks because if you fail, who cares? You can 1656 01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:44,880 Speaker 3: be broke anywhere? 1657 01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:47,320 Speaker 1: You know what. Yah, she absolutely did. 1658 01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:49,360 Speaker 3: I think I would one thousand percent be a shitty 1659 01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:51,519 Speaker 3: person if I didn't have Dolly Parton and her light 1660 01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:53,040 Speaker 3: my life totally all right. 1661 01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:55,960 Speaker 1: So this is a question I haven't asked any of 1662 01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:58,400 Speaker 1: our guests before, but I'm going to ask you because 1663 01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:01,040 Speaker 1: you know more about this than me. What's the biggest 1664 01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:05,160 Speaker 1: thing that I've missed? Is there one thing that we 1665 01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:07,720 Speaker 1: haven't talked about in her life that like we need 1666 01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:10,519 Speaker 1: to we need to tell the listeners about. 1667 01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:13,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think we should also talk We've 1668 01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:14,840 Speaker 3: kind of danced around it, but I think we should 1669 01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:19,680 Speaker 3: also talk about femininity and fashion. You know, she is 1670 01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:23,680 Speaker 3: someone that never let anybody shape what she looked like 1671 01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:28,360 Speaker 3: in that fashion, right, Like nobody dresses like Dolly Parton. 1672 01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:32,120 Speaker 3: Dolly Parton dresses like Dolly Parton. And then when you 1673 01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:34,400 Speaker 3: see people like, oh, that reminds me of Dolly Parton. 1674 01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:38,200 Speaker 3: But like, she has a very specific style in fashion 1675 01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:40,880 Speaker 3: road that she has driven down and all of her 1676 01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:42,519 Speaker 3: clothes and all the shoes. I mean, she's the only 1677 01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:45,120 Speaker 3: artist that I know that has like a full time 1678 01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:49,280 Speaker 3: archivist and has whole museums dedicated to just her clothing, 1679 01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:52,799 Speaker 3: just her outfit. She wrote a whole book about her fashion. 1680 01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:55,760 Speaker 1: She is a wig for every day of the of 1681 01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:56,360 Speaker 1: the year. 1682 01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:59,479 Speaker 3: They have a whole wig display now at Dollywood. That 1683 01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:01,479 Speaker 3: is like my favorite thing because they changed the weeks 1684 01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:03,840 Speaker 3: out seasonally, so I love going to see the new wigs. 1685 01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:05,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, ooh, the new wigs. 1686 01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:07,840 Speaker 3: You know, all of her shoes are custom made, all 1687 01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:10,799 Speaker 3: of her dresses there. Her best friend Judy Ogel started 1688 01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:14,880 Speaker 3: saving all of her clothes very early on because Dolly 1689 01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:17,160 Speaker 3: didn't think twice about it, because Dolly's just doing Dolly, 1690 01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:19,720 Speaker 3: right yeah, And I'm so glad that Judy locked in 1691 01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:22,400 Speaker 3: because now we have this huge amass of all of 1692 01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:25,240 Speaker 3: these clothes that we wouldn't have, you know that people 1693 01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:28,240 Speaker 3: made that are dead, people have passed away, that people 1694 01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:29,840 Speaker 3: have you know, not known. And she didn't always go 1695 01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:34,160 Speaker 3: with a super famous designer. She's always worked with like independent, 1696 01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:37,000 Speaker 3: really strong seamstresses. So I think it's also important that 1697 01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:39,560 Speaker 3: like Dolly created herself not off of the back of 1698 01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:41,600 Speaker 3: designer clothing, right right, right right? 1699 01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:44,519 Speaker 1: Yeah? Would Cardi B be Cardi B without designers? You 1700 01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:45,160 Speaker 1: know what I mean? 1701 01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:48,120 Speaker 3: Like everything now is like, oh it's Balenciaga, it's custom 1702 01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:51,040 Speaker 3: miss like Dolly. Shit, you don't know who Stephen Summers 1703 01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:52,800 Speaker 3: is unless you are a Dolly Parton fan, and then 1704 01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:54,320 Speaker 3: you're like, oh, that's a Steve Summers dress. 1705 01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:55,000 Speaker 1: He designed that. 1706 01:27:55,240 --> 01:27:57,519 Speaker 3: You know, you don't know the people her beer, you know, 1707 01:27:57,600 --> 01:27:59,439 Speaker 3: all these like I know people who make her clothes, 1708 01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:01,680 Speaker 3: because I'm the s's with this ship and now her 1709 01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:04,080 Speaker 3: her great niece, like her niece is running this and 1710 01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:06,439 Speaker 3: putting this all up and this. You know, woman is 1711 01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:08,800 Speaker 3: grown up and you know this is her aunt. Can 1712 01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:11,000 Speaker 3: you even imagine like your aunt being Dolly Parton? Get 1713 01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:12,760 Speaker 3: out of here? You know, but she is the same 1714 01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:17,120 Speaker 3: reverence that we do because she understands how difficult it 1715 01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:18,920 Speaker 3: is as a woman to like hold on to like 1716 01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:23,880 Speaker 3: an artistic vibe for the entirety of your career. Show 1717 01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:26,599 Speaker 3: Oh that was Madonna's leather era. Oh that was Madonna's 1718 01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:30,040 Speaker 3: Like Dolly Parton has been consistent since the beginning, which 1719 01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:31,360 Speaker 3: is like is it fucking sparkly? 1720 01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:32,559 Speaker 1: Does it have a fringe? 1721 01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:35,880 Speaker 3: Like? Is my hair biggest buck? All my shoes high 1722 01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:38,439 Speaker 3: as fuck? Like is it fucking ryan stoned? 1723 01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:38,560 Speaker 8: No? 1724 01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:41,640 Speaker 3: Send it back, you know what I'm saying, Like, and 1725 01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:44,439 Speaker 3: everything is custom made. I even love the fact that 1726 01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:47,479 Speaker 3: when she did fucking God damn, what was the movie 1727 01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:49,800 Speaker 3: with Queen Latifa. 1728 01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:51,280 Speaker 1: Where they were she was in She was in the 1729 01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:55,680 Speaker 1: no no no, no, no, no no higher something. 1730 01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:58,760 Speaker 3: That it's gonna it's that's gonna drive me crazy. Uh 1731 01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:02,559 Speaker 3: but even her your gown joyful noise. 1732 01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:03,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, joyful noise. 1733 01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:03,439 Speaker 5: Yeah. 1734 01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:07,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, she has a fitted choir gown. Is not that 1735 01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:09,720 Speaker 1: big gas dumping. You know. 1736 01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:12,160 Speaker 3: After that movie came out, there was church ladies that 1737 01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:14,920 Speaker 3: were like, taking my ship in, you know what I mean, 1738 01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:16,000 Speaker 3: you know, I'm gonna look good. 1739 01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:18,720 Speaker 2: Like when Mariah wore the Michael Jordan jersey dress to 1740 01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:20,599 Speaker 2: sing the national anthem at the All Star Game, people 1741 01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:21,040 Speaker 2: were like, oh no. 1742 01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:22,920 Speaker 1: You can do that with the basketball jersey. 1743 01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:26,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I know, there was church ladies running into 1744 01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:28,240 Speaker 3: tailor's that Monday morning, like right. 1745 01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:32,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, She's like, I gotta let them know, okay from 1746 01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:38,080 Speaker 2: the pulpit, can'ts They're gonna realize. 1747 01:29:38,360 --> 01:29:41,080 Speaker 1: She has consistently employed her family, which can be like 1748 01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:44,680 Speaker 1: such a respue for disaster, but like she and like 1749 01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:47,240 Speaker 1: there has been like difficulties where like her aunt was 1750 01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:49,640 Speaker 1: feeding rumors and like her sister just got messy with 1751 01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:52,479 Speaker 1: it and was like pray for my sister. She's just like, oh, 1752 01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:54,560 Speaker 1: I didn't mean anything by it. She's fine. I was 1753 01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:57,160 Speaker 1: just well, that's also like I mean that lady's old, 1754 01:29:57,200 --> 01:29:57,680 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. 1755 01:29:57,760 --> 01:29:59,760 Speaker 3: Imagine I don't know about you guys, but Mike my 1756 01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:01,880 Speaker 3: whiles on on Facebook and doesn't realize it. 1757 01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:04,200 Speaker 1: Like that's just like that's all thing was doing. Was 1758 01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:06,360 Speaker 1: just like you can't talk about Dolly like that without 1759 01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:09,240 Speaker 1: the world freaking out. But just the fact that like 1760 01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:13,760 Speaker 1: she has created this like massive family empire and is 1761 01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:18,320 Speaker 1: like doing succession, but like with kindness, this is like 1762 01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:21,519 Speaker 1: fucking crazy, you know, and all her family is like 1763 01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:22,840 Speaker 1: beautiful and lovely. 1764 01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:25,320 Speaker 3: Like since I've lived out in here Nashville, I've really 1765 01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:27,280 Speaker 3: gotten lucky and like have met like quite a few 1766 01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:29,719 Speaker 3: of her, like younger relatives that are around my age, 1767 01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:32,160 Speaker 3: just from like being in places that I'm at and 1768 01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:33,840 Speaker 3: like people just talking to me and being like, oh, 1769 01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:34,680 Speaker 3: I see you all the time. 1770 01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:35,360 Speaker 1: You seem normal? 1771 01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:35,680 Speaker 3: Are you? 1772 01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:36,599 Speaker 1: Are you normal? 1773 01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:39,479 Speaker 3: And I'm like, yes, I am very normal, also very obsessed, 1774 01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:40,960 Speaker 3: and They're like, yeah, me too. I can't believe I'm 1775 01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:43,920 Speaker 3: related to this lady, you know, And they're all are 1776 01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:47,879 Speaker 3: supported like everyone has great stories, like everyone is employed 1777 01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:50,120 Speaker 3: or not employed, or has gotten some help or something 1778 01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:52,200 Speaker 3: in some way, but it's never expected. Like it is 1779 01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:55,080 Speaker 3: beautiful to see that that she's not only pouring into 1780 01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:57,919 Speaker 3: her immediate family, but like in her community and younger generations, 1781 01:30:57,960 --> 01:31:01,920 Speaker 3: and she's teaching her family members how to continue that 1782 01:31:02,120 --> 01:31:05,200 Speaker 3: same vibe. Right, yeah, And it's just and now her 1783 01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:07,639 Speaker 3: big thing that she's coming out with is like, all 1784 01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:09,160 Speaker 3: I want to do for the rest of my life 1785 01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:11,400 Speaker 3: is literally bring joy and happiness to people. 1786 01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:16,720 Speaker 1: That's it. What an altruistic statement thing to say. I 1787 01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:19,280 Speaker 1: think so too so far. Now, I'd say pretty good 1788 01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:22,240 Speaker 1: work in progress, but pretty good work so far. I've 1789 01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:24,680 Speaker 1: got my eye on you, Dolly. Lyady Popovich is such 1790 01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:27,679 Speaker 1: a pleasure having you on all episodes of ost show, 1791 01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:30,759 Speaker 1: but especially this one. Where can people find you? Follow 1792 01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:31,679 Speaker 1: you all that good stuff? 1793 01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:34,880 Speaker 3: Certainly you can find me on the interwebs. Lydiapopovich dot 1794 01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:37,560 Speaker 3: com is my website. Hater Tuesday on all of the 1795 01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:40,240 Speaker 3: socials is where you can find me. I am based 1796 01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:42,479 Speaker 3: in Nashville, but I tour all over the place. But 1797 01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:44,639 Speaker 3: if you're in Nashville, you can always catch me at Zany's. 1798 01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:48,360 Speaker 3: I pop in there pretty frequently, got different shows. One 1799 01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:50,760 Speaker 3: exciting thing that I have booked that I think you 1800 01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:54,040 Speaker 3: will be excited about, Miles. I will be opening for 1801 01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:57,759 Speaker 3: our friend Sarper Govin from Beyond Fame. 1802 01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:01,360 Speaker 1: You know, Sophia went to go see Sarper perform. 1803 01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:03,600 Speaker 3: It's the gig of the year so far. Like, I 1804 01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:07,360 Speaker 3: couldn't be more excited to be booked as that man's opener. 1805 01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:09,040 Speaker 3: It's a two man show, just me and him. 1806 01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:11,439 Speaker 1: It's a two what the fuck? 1807 01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:12,320 Speaker 3: Yeah? 1808 01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:15,760 Speaker 2: And as a dude who he's like a ninety day 1809 01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:18,280 Speaker 2: fiance Casmo, this Turkish guy who's just like, She's like, 1810 01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:19,600 Speaker 2: what do you want to do in your America? He's like, 1811 01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:22,680 Speaker 2: maybe I'll be a stand up and just fucking went 1812 01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:25,280 Speaker 2: for it. And he's not that funny, but he just 1813 01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:29,640 Speaker 2: everyone's so interested in him that he's selling out. He's like, 1814 01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:32,840 Speaker 2: he's doing like a whole stand up tour and I, okay, wow, 1815 01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:37,040 Speaker 2: he's he's just getting up. Yeah, Oh he's got material. 1816 01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:37,759 Speaker 2: He's got material. 1817 01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:40,840 Speaker 3: He definitely has material, So yeah, look up for that. 1818 01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:43,559 Speaker 3: I think that's either in February or March. I can't remember. 1819 01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:45,439 Speaker 3: I'm gonna be putting on my website. I just confirmed 1820 01:32:45,479 --> 01:32:48,040 Speaker 3: that earlier this week and couldn't be more thrilled. You 1821 01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:49,400 Speaker 3: were one of the first people I thought about, Miles. 1822 01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:51,679 Speaker 3: I was like, Oh my god, can't wait to tell Miles. Yeah, 1823 01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:53,880 Speaker 3: gonna get it. He's gonna know how exciting. Oh yeah, 1824 01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:56,640 Speaker 3: oh yeah, but yeah, come see me do some stand up. 1825 01:32:56,680 --> 01:32:59,080 Speaker 3: I do have jokes about Dolly Parton and all kinds 1826 01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:00,720 Speaker 3: of other stuff. But yeah, and if you see me 1827 01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:02,280 Speaker 3: in the streets or you see me at Dollywood, I 1828 01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:05,000 Speaker 3: will be their opening day, probably at the front of 1829 01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:07,400 Speaker 3: the line. There's video footage of me last year running 1830 01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:12,479 Speaker 3: through dropping rope dropping. Hell yeah, gotta ropdrop world every year. 1831 01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:14,760 Speaker 1: All right, Miles, where can people find you? 1832 01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:15,439 Speaker 8: Uh? 1833 01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:20,240 Speaker 2: Check you out talking ninety fiance, talking to Sarper whatever, 1834 01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:23,200 Speaker 2: everything that's happening over there. And also ain't at footy 1835 01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:27,840 Speaker 2: talking about soccer. All of it comes and you know. 1836 01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:29,600 Speaker 1: Already, Dailies that guys, you already know, you already know, 1837 01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:31,880 Speaker 1: all right, that is going to do it for this 1838 01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:35,559 Speaker 1: part of the conversation. Stick around for after the break 1839 01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:38,800 Speaker 1: because I never remember to get to everything I wanted 1840 01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:43,519 Speaker 1: to say in the conversation. For my notebook, dumppe, So 1841 01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:59,479 Speaker 1: be back in five minutes by bite by. All right, 1842 01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:03,200 Speaker 1: that was our Dolly Parton conversation. Thanks to j I 1843 01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:07,800 Speaker 1: McNabb for providing the research, and thanks to Lydia of 1844 01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:13,400 Speaker 1: course for providing a lifelong devotion to Dolly Parton studies. 1845 01:34:13,800 --> 01:34:15,800 Speaker 1: A few things I didn't get to. That's right, it's 1846 01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:19,479 Speaker 1: time for the No No, No No Notebook Dump. We're 1847 01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:22,479 Speaker 1: gonna do a couple unprecedent things in this edition of 1848 01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:25,960 Speaker 1: the No No No Notebook Dump. First, there's something I 1849 01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:29,080 Speaker 1: forgot from a previous episode. I'm gonna no No No 1850 01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:34,080 Speaker 1: notebook dump something from Elvis here because I learned about 1851 01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:37,759 Speaker 1: it after the Elvis episode dropped. I have since learned 1852 01:34:38,280 --> 01:34:42,040 Speaker 1: listening to actually just randomly a Conan O'Brien needs a 1853 01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:45,639 Speaker 1: Friend Live episode with John c Riley a few years back. 1854 01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:50,160 Speaker 1: The record was recorded a few years back that Elvis 1855 01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:56,320 Speaker 1: had a chimp named Scatter. This is a significant omission 1856 01:34:57,360 --> 01:35:01,240 Speaker 1: that I have to apologize for. Significant for a number 1857 01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:04,920 Speaker 1: of reasons. One was just a point that I think 1858 01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:08,040 Speaker 1: I did mention in the episode was how similar Elvis 1859 01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:12,800 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson's some aspects of their lives were in that 1860 01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:16,960 Speaker 1: they both created these universes Graceland Neverland where they were 1861 01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:22,320 Speaker 1: surrounded by enablers. They both died from medical enablers, basically 1862 01:35:22,439 --> 01:35:26,400 Speaker 1: physician malpractice by way of holy shit, it's Elvis. And 1863 01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:33,040 Speaker 1: when you get to that level of weird fame, like 1864 01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:37,320 Speaker 1: I think those two human beings, Elvis and Michael Jackson 1865 01:35:38,360 --> 01:35:43,960 Speaker 1: lived arguably two of the strangest lives, had two of 1866 01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:47,840 Speaker 1: the strangest human experiences in the history of the species, 1867 01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:51,479 Speaker 1: like being that famous, like they I feel like we 1868 01:35:51,560 --> 01:35:55,719 Speaker 1: should kind of study them, like psychiatrists or neurologists study 1869 01:35:55,760 --> 01:35:58,960 Speaker 1: Phineas Gage, the guy who survived getting a railroad spike 1870 01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:00,760 Speaker 1: through his head, and they're like, well, this is a 1871 01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:04,560 Speaker 1: weird thing, and so now we can learn things that 1872 01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:08,599 Speaker 1: we wouldn't other wise be able to their lives Michael 1873 01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:13,200 Speaker 1: Jackson and Elvis was like this vast psychological experiment. And 1874 01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:18,400 Speaker 1: what we found in both cases is that when when 1875 01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:22,880 Speaker 1: you are in those strange alien worlds where nobody is 1876 01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:25,960 Speaker 1: being real with you and you're just surrounded in your 1877 01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:30,280 Speaker 1: own castle of own your own design, at a certain 1878 01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:34,200 Speaker 1: point you're just like, I gotta get a chimp. I 1879 01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:36,600 Speaker 1: got I got I need a chimp in here with me. 1880 01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:40,519 Speaker 1: And you know, Michael Jackson's was much more famous, at 1881 01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:45,080 Speaker 1: least in my lifetime. Elvis's was named Scatter. They named 1882 01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:49,280 Speaker 1: it that after how people would react when he showed up, 1883 01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:53,200 Speaker 1: because he was a bit of a live wire, bit 1884 01:36:53,240 --> 01:36:56,400 Speaker 1: of a wild card. He would reach up people's skirts 1885 01:36:56,640 --> 01:37:01,240 Speaker 1: and just make people very uncomfortable. One time, Elvis and 1886 01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:07,120 Speaker 1: the Memphis Mafia were in LA and they found a car, 1887 01:37:07,439 --> 01:37:10,439 Speaker 1: or created a car with a fake steering wheel so 1888 01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:13,080 Speaker 1: they could drive around Beverly Hills making it look like 1889 01:37:13,320 --> 01:37:17,000 Speaker 1: Scatter was driving the car and just like freaking out 1890 01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:21,759 Speaker 1: the people of Beverly Hills. And a very sad story. 1891 01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:24,200 Speaker 1: He ultimately was left in the backyard in a cage 1892 01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:27,400 Speaker 1: when it was too cold and he froze to death. Anyways, 1893 01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:31,519 Speaker 1: it was too good, the omission too unforgivable. Had to 1894 01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:34,400 Speaker 1: bring it back here. And that's something that I'm comfortable doing. 1895 01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:38,040 Speaker 1: If I miss something on an episode that needs to 1896 01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:40,720 Speaker 1: be rectified, let me know I will bring it back 1897 01:37:40,760 --> 01:37:44,559 Speaker 1: in the notebook dump in subsequent episodes onto Dolly Parton. 1898 01:37:45,960 --> 01:37:50,880 Speaker 1: Just in terms of her being a tabloid queen, there's 1899 01:37:50,920 --> 01:37:53,280 Speaker 1: been a number of conspiracy theories about her over the year, 1900 01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:57,160 Speaker 1: one suggesting that she's secretly covered in tattoos. This one 1901 01:37:57,280 --> 01:38:02,000 Speaker 1: was very fascinating to me in the early days of Cracked. 1902 01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:04,040 Speaker 1: I was like, this was my white whale. Can we 1903 01:38:04,160 --> 01:38:07,719 Speaker 1: find we find out if this is true the idea. 1904 01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:11,800 Speaker 1: She's almost never seen wearing short sleeves, and she has 1905 01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:15,040 Speaker 1: admitted that she has a few little tattoos here and there, 1906 01:38:15,439 --> 01:38:19,360 Speaker 1: mostly to cover up scars from surgeries, but she says 1907 01:38:19,439 --> 01:38:23,200 Speaker 1: she's not tattooed up like a motorcycle girl. So that 1908 01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:25,800 Speaker 1: is the adorable Dolly Partment way of putting it. Other 1909 01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:29,640 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories in tabloid queendom. She hasn't been able to 1910 01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:33,360 Speaker 1: totally outrun the initial boob joke that made her famous. 1911 01:38:33,479 --> 01:38:37,000 Speaker 1: There's numerous rumors that she either had her breasts insured 1912 01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:40,160 Speaker 1: or that they're so heavy that they've caused her to 1913 01:38:40,439 --> 01:38:45,000 Speaker 1: be bedridden and crippled for life, which she's obviously denied. 1914 01:38:45,080 --> 01:38:47,680 Speaker 1: And I will just say, during the course of the 1915 01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:50,400 Speaker 1: research for the Dolly Parton episode, I've never seen anyone 1916 01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:55,200 Speaker 1: who is less bedridden. I think she's actually one of 1917 01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:59,000 Speaker 1: these people whose success can be partially explained by needing 1918 01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:01,000 Speaker 1: less sleep, as I mentioned in the episode, but she 1919 01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:04,960 Speaker 1: wakes up at three am every morning like Donald Trump 1920 01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:06,679 Speaker 1: is another one of these people who needs less sleep, 1921 01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:11,280 Speaker 1: But unlike Trump, she appears to be vibrating with energy 1922 01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:14,160 Speaker 1: at all times. She seems to be powered by a 1923 01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:18,160 Speaker 1: hummingbird heart. She sleeps so little that she sleeps in 1924 01:39:18,439 --> 01:39:22,240 Speaker 1: her makeup, has a wig rack with as I mentioned, 1925 01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:24,519 Speaker 1: she owns like a different wig for every day of 1926 01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:27,600 Speaker 1: the year. And I like to imagine that she just 1927 01:39:27,680 --> 01:39:31,360 Speaker 1: sprints out of bed through a closet and the wig 1928 01:39:31,439 --> 01:39:33,639 Speaker 1: and the clothes are just on her when she gets 1929 01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:37,040 Speaker 1: out the other side, like a cartoon character who accidentally 1930 01:39:37,200 --> 01:39:39,320 Speaker 1: gets dressed up like a lady by running through a 1931 01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:43,880 Speaker 1: woman's closet. We talked about people trying to cancel her 1932 01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:47,960 Speaker 1: getting mad at her. Another anecdote about someone who came 1933 01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:50,960 Speaker 1: at the Queen and missed. Twenty twenty four, the Federalist 1934 01:39:51,400 --> 01:39:56,360 Speaker 1: attacked Parton for condoning immoral sexual behavior, and it didn't 1935 01:39:56,439 --> 01:40:01,040 Speaker 1: go well. From a Yahoo News article from later that week, 1936 01:40:02,360 --> 01:40:07,120 Speaker 1: Federalist writer Erica Anderson criticized Parton for her non judgmental 1937 01:40:07,200 --> 01:40:10,639 Speaker 1: approach to life and her claim that she loves everyone. 1938 01:40:11,800 --> 01:40:14,840 Speaker 1: Those are controversial opinions. I can see why Erica would 1939 01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:17,680 Speaker 1: object to those statements. She had a five year old 1940 01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:20,320 Speaker 1: boy in the year nineteen eighty five being like, oh 1941 01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:25,320 Speaker 1: you love everyone. Yeah. The thing I a Christian object 1942 01:40:25,360 --> 01:40:28,400 Speaker 1: to is her non judgmental approach to life. But that 1943 01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:31,280 Speaker 1: was the thesis of her article. And like I said, 1944 01:40:31,320 --> 01:40:37,160 Speaker 1: within a week she was out here being like, I 1945 01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:39,280 Speaker 1: regret using Dollie as the example of the point I 1946 01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:41,880 Speaker 1: was making in the article. As I wrote in the piece, 1947 01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:43,720 Speaker 1: I love her and thinks she does some incredible things 1948 01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:46,240 Speaker 1: for the world. We all make poor choices and how 1949 01:40:46,280 --> 01:40:49,200 Speaker 1: to frame things sometimes. Yeah, you made your whole article 1950 01:40:49,880 --> 01:40:54,320 Speaker 1: about criticizing Dolly Parton, as she closed her statement within 1951 01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:58,280 Speaker 1: a week that she issued about her article, the world 1952 01:40:58,400 --> 01:41:02,080 Speaker 1: is lucky to have her. And finally, I said, I 1953 01:41:02,200 --> 01:41:04,439 Speaker 1: do a couple unprecedented things in this No No No 1954 01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:08,400 Speaker 1: notebook dump. First, we gave you an Elvis previous episode 1955 01:41:08,439 --> 01:41:11,760 Speaker 1: notebook dump. We're also we've got a notebook dump from 1956 01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:15,400 Speaker 1: guest Lydia Popovich, who wanted to point out that we 1957 01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:19,719 Speaker 1: missed out on the importance of Dolly to the fine 1958 01:41:19,880 --> 01:41:23,120 Speaker 1: art of branding. Lydia take it away. 1959 01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:27,880 Speaker 3: Hey, guys, I was just making dinner, making chili, and 1960 01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:34,520 Speaker 3: I'm making cornbread using my Dolly Parton times Loade collaboration 1961 01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:38,840 Speaker 3: cast iron butterfly molds, and it occurred to me, oh 1962 01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:41,680 Speaker 3: my god, we did forget something. We totally forgot to 1963 01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:47,759 Speaker 3: talk about Dolly the brand this woman has branded herself. 1964 01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:51,120 Speaker 3: A lot of people love to give credit to Kiss, 1965 01:41:51,880 --> 01:41:54,600 Speaker 3: who did a wonderful job of marketing themselves in the 1966 01:41:54,640 --> 01:41:57,560 Speaker 3: seventies and the eighties, you know, from Kiss lunchboxes to 1967 01:41:57,640 --> 01:42:02,560 Speaker 3: posters to dolls, everything right, But that's pretty limited in 1968 01:42:02,680 --> 01:42:05,400 Speaker 3: comparison to what Dolly Parton has done. Dolly Parton has 1969 01:42:05,479 --> 01:42:06,600 Speaker 3: branded herself. 1970 01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:09,560 Speaker 1: Since the eighties. All right, good point from Lyddy. I 1971 01:42:09,640 --> 01:42:12,679 Speaker 1: remember reading a lot of glowing reviews on Kiss's ability 1972 01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:16,640 Speaker 1: to sell out during I don't know, I think the 1973 01:42:16,920 --> 01:42:19,439 Speaker 1: Obama administration or something. People are like, man, they were 1974 01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:23,000 Speaker 1: really good at marketing themselves. You know, generally, I'm not 1975 01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:26,200 Speaker 1: the biggest fan of selling out, but when you're putting 1976 01:42:26,240 --> 01:42:30,320 Speaker 1: your name on products that make people happy and using 1977 01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:33,519 Speaker 1: the money that you make from that branding to like 1978 01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:36,800 Speaker 1: put people through college and give poor children books to read, 1979 01:42:37,720 --> 01:42:42,080 Speaker 1: I'll allow it, Dolly, I'll allow it. All right. That's 1980 01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:44,920 Speaker 1: going to do it for this week's Iconograph. We are 1981 01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:50,400 Speaker 1: back next week with another very fun episode that talks 1982 01:42:50,400 --> 01:42:53,479 Speaker 1: about the finer points of selling out. We're talking about 1983 01:42:54,080 --> 01:43:01,080 Speaker 1: the Michael Jordan meets Evil Knievel meets Johnny Appleseed skateboarding. 1984 01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:05,000 Speaker 1: We're talking about the hawk Man Tony Hawk with Mortberg. 1985 01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:08,160 Speaker 1: That'll be next week's Iconograph and we will talk to 1986 01:43:08,200 --> 01:43:09,720 Speaker 1: you all then. Have a great week like