1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Well, here we go again. President Trump just announced that 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: he's calling off tonight's scheduled bombing of Iran. If you're 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: keeping count at home, that's literally the fifth time he's 4 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: done it so far during this war. He posted on 5 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 1: truth Social the discussions with Iran were going so well 6 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: and they're at the highest levels of Iranian leadership that 7 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: he's going to call off the strikes, and he reassures 8 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: us that peace is just about to break out. The 9 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: Iranians are finally coming to heal. Now, I collected the 10 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: most extraordinary data set. This sounded sort of familiar, so 11 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 1: I went looking for how many times in the past 12 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: President Trump has told us we're on the cusp of 13 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: a deal, And it's a pretty extraordinary list. In fact, 14 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: two weeks before the war started, he said Iran wants 15 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: to make a deal very badly. Then, of course he 16 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: started the war, and each and every day, not every day, 17 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: he's taken a couple of days off, but every few 18 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: days he's come out once again and told us we're 19 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: on the cusp of indigna war. In fact, at this 20 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: point I counted fifty separate occasions over roughly twenty five days. 21 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: Separate days in which he's told us we're on the 22 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: cusp of a war. In March, he said, we have points, 23 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: major points of agreement. I would say almost all points 24 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: of agreement made. If that's true, what's taken so long? 25 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,759 Speaker 1: In April he said it should be days, not weeks. Well, 26 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: it wasn't days. In May he said, we're getting close 27 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: to making a deal. Well, Sunshine, it's quite a bit 28 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: later right now. Later in May, the end of May, 29 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: he said the US is close to a deal. Well, 30 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: we're almost halfway through June now, And a couple of 31 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: days ago he said we are very close to a 32 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: final deal with Iran. In fact, if you collect all 33 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: of the quotes, it's several pages of the president, day 34 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: after day, time after time, reminding us that we're on 35 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: the cusp of victory. I want to juxtap that with 36 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: something else. What we saw today. It was actually a 37 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: pattern we've seen throughout this war, which is anytime the 38 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: president de escalates, the American stock market goes up. And 39 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: if you think about that, people are buying and selling 40 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: stocks based on a bed about the future profitability of 41 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: large American companies. And so if you see the price 42 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: of stocks go up when we de escalate. That's markets 43 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,119 Speaker 1: saying that they believe that the future profitability of American 44 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: firms will be higher if we don't escalate the war. 45 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: And the flip side, by the way, is also true, 46 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: which is every time the President has escalated, American stocks 47 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: have fallen quite substantially. It's what led me to suggest 48 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: that markets are reacting as if they believe that the 49 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: Iran war will take a trillion, possibly three trillion dollars 50 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: off the value of American equities, which is a huge, 51 00:02:54,840 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: huge effect. Now today what happened was the President announced 52 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 1: for the fiftieth time, literally the fiftieth time, that we're 53 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: on the cusp of ending the war, and American stocks 54 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 1: rose by one percent. A natural question that I get 55 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: from some people is why do markets keep getting suckered 56 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: by this? And I think I want to give you 57 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: a different lens for thinking about this. Maybe it's not 58 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: that markets are being suckered. In fact, that markets understand 59 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: that the President only occasionally tells the truth. That then 60 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: means that when the President speaks, there's a good chance 61 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: it's noise rather than signal that it's nonsense rather than 62 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: something to respond to when you speak, This way, of course, 63 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: that provides an incentive for markets to respond less. If 64 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,119 Speaker 1: there's only a one tenth chance that what you say 65 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: is going to be true, then the markets should only 66 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: respond one tenth as vigorously as it otherwise would. Now, 67 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: if you think about that, the consequences actually are terrifying. 68 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: So a known liar says something that could be good 69 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: news or could be a lie, and markets rise enormously. 70 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: The only way that that makes sense is if it 71 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: turns out to be the truth, very very valuable for 72 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: American corporations, and so that markets respond as much as 73 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: rising one percent based on a statement from a known 74 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: layer is another way of saying markets are behaving as 75 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: if they believe if they were told for sure the 76 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: war was going to end soon, that American stocks would 77 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: be worth a whole lot more. So, I think the 78 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: right way to think about this is in fact, that 79 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: markets once again are doubling down on the idea that 80 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: this war is very economically expensive for the United States. 81 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: And I've talked before, the question here is not how 82 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: much of the Bobom's going to cost. The question is 83 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: what sort of crater will this war leave in the 84 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: global economy, What sort of ongoing damage. How long will 85 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: the stratophim WWS remain closed. How will Iran use its 86 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: leverage that it now knows that it has over the strait. 87 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: How much will this affect future US defense spending. How 88 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: much will this change our role in the world. How 89 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: much will this affect our ability to cooperate with others 90 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 1: around the world and reshape future economic opportunities. And the 91 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: stock market And again I'm not saying the stock market 92 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: is the economy, but the stock market is responding as 93 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: if this is an intensely important moment for the US economy, 94 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: that the number one story that matters for the US 95 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: economy is what happens in Iran. Anyway, I find that 96 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: sort of interesting. We're also going to see over the 97 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: next few hours foreign markets respond probably even more. And 98 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,239 Speaker 1: that's because this is a war that doesn't just rewire 99 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 1: America's place in the world, but actually has even bigger 100 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: effects on other countries. And that's because the US is 101 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: largely oil independent, other countries much less so, and so 102 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: the suffering that we're seeing in the United States is 103 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: not quite as bad as we see in other countries. 104 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: And then I want to give you one final note 105 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: that worries me a lot. We've actually seen versions of 106 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: this two step before the president moves forward on some 107 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: policy that he believes deeply and not based on analysis 108 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: but his gut, and then American stocks tank, and then 109 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: what he does is he walks it back. We saw 110 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: this happen a lot during the tariff wars. Look, here's 111 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: the thing I worry about. That's a reasonable feedback loop 112 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: some of the time. But if you're a known liar, 113 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: then that then means that markets are not going to 114 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: believe anything that what you say. That in turn means 115 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: that markets are going to moderate how much they respond 116 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: after you say something. And that in turn means that 117 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: you could say something wildly foolish and markets might think, yeah, 118 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: he's probably going to walk that back. He probably didn't 119 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: mean that, If he probably didn't mean it, if half 120 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: of what he says is garbage, then we don't need 121 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: to respond. And if we don't respond, that breaks that 122 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: feedback loop from the president to Wall Street and from 123 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: Wall Street to the president. That's that problem that the 124 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: president does a liar, not a reliable source of truth, 125 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: which markets to underrespond. That's separate from a related issue, 126 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: which is If the president responds to the market, and 127 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: the market understands that the president responds to the market, 128 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: then this is something people worried a lot about during 129 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:18,239 Speaker 1: the trade was Then if the president does something stupid, 130 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: the market understands that if the market falls, he'll undo 131 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: the stupid thing, given that the market doesn't need to fall. 132 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: If the market doesn't fall, then that feedback loop is broken, 133 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: and the president persists with the stupid thing. Look, let 134 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: me step back. There's actually two really big points that 135 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: I wanted to make here. The first is, in an 136 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: information environment in which the president has moved from taking 137 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: communication with the American people and with investors seriously to 138 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: lying in an ongoing and repeated way, that fundamentally changes 139 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: how we should think about any form of communication. The 140 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: extent to which the President is repeated lies this time 141 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: would be funny if we weren't talking about something so serious. 142 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: And the second thing is, once you take that into 143 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: account and you still see markets responding, then you should 144 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: understand that's market's really saying, hey, look out, we think 145 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: this is really really dangerous, so dangerous that we respond 146 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: to it. Even if we understand there's a pretty good 147 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: chance the president's lying