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Speaker 1: Problem solved, up down Tyler Murray. That defender is in

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Speaker 1: multiple pieces. All that was nasty, right rights. The latest

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Speaker 1: news and notes from the guys who cover the teams.

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Speaker 1: Rilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling. Bring it on,

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Speaker 1: bring it on. Slam the ground by foot a baker

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Speaker 1: like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I

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Speaker 1: scared of nobody. Here's Paul Calvic. You know, gentlemen, let's

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Speaker 1: do a quick survey here off the top to confirm

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Speaker 1: for those who might be new to Cardinals Underground, married

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Speaker 1: or not married. Show a hands here. Everybody raising their hand,

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Speaker 1: married spoken for? Okay, so I think you're qualified, even

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Speaker 1: though none of US has ever made an offseason list

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Speaker 1: in terms of wants and needs of an NFL franchise.

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Speaker 1: I do believe we're all familiar with lists, are we? Not? Everyone?

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Speaker 1: Not accordingly? If you want to take the fifth and

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Speaker 1: not say anything at all, that's up to you and

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Speaker 1: we'll be understood inherently implicitly in this one difference I

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Speaker 1: figure between the task. Maybe that as Steve Kime has

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Speaker 1: in the offseason, is that his list, ultimately, whether he

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Speaker 1: likes it or not by constraints of the salary cap

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Speaker 1: or not, is finite as any married man's list ever

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Speaker 1: ever been anything other than infinite. Isn't there always something

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Speaker 1: on the list from the misses? As once again I

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Speaker 1: give you guys a chance to responder or not respond

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Speaker 1: Here our Cardinals Underground Pacific Office automation. How would reguard

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Speaker 1: Paul Calveci and derret or Been actually looks like he

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Speaker 1: wants to speak frent like. So it's funny mentioned that

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Speaker 1: because my wife and I just reached that watershed part

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Speaker 1: in our marriage where we have formally decided to a

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Speaker 1: or a vacation or something. So like, we just replaced

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Speaker 1: all the ceiling fans for Valentine's Day, very very romantic. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna get new new shutters for the

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Speaker 1: back door we got. We got a bunch of stuff

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Speaker 1: we want to do, so uh yeah, the lists and

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Speaker 1: that list already when once we decided on this, she

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Speaker 1: made the list out. So I think we're covered probably

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Speaker 1: through twenty twenty seven in terms of things we need

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Speaker 1: to do on all the major holidays. So hey, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's good, Darren. You're getting dangerously close to the Will

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Speaker 1: Ferrell scene in Old School. Got a pretty good little

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Speaker 1: Saturday m deepot bed bath and beyond that was reminiscent

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Speaker 1: of that scene right there. They difference between a married

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Speaker 1: man and a bunch of frat kids. I am not

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Speaker 1: going streaking. I am not snoop snoop loop Kyle, what

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Speaker 1: do you got. I've definitely hit that point in my

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Speaker 1: you're in your thirties now and it's like, Okay, I

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Speaker 1: We're like, should we get each other gifts? Okay, I'll

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Speaker 1: clarify something, Paul, and I'm gonna I'm gonna bring you

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Speaker 1: made those lists. You've made list, but you've never made

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Speaker 1: Stop talking about nightstands and ceiling fans, and you know,

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Speaker 1: would you please talk some football as the sound of

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Speaker 1: That's called a horizontal teas And then there there there

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Speaker 1: But that's that's too calm here and a full foreshadowing

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Speaker 1: my earlier story, Um, there is a list. There are

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Speaker 1: whether it's salary, Kappa otherwise. What is left tick off

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Speaker 1: One through five for me is cornerback, because I think

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Speaker 1: that's the spot you need. I'm not as worried as

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Speaker 1: the winner. I'm still sore over that my protest is

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been an improvement what they had, But

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Speaker 1: cost benefit ratio plays into all this, Paul, and ultimately

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Speaker 1: And let's remember Patrick Peterson wasn't Patrick Peterson his rookie

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Speaker 1: You're not getting a Patrick Peterson in you're in his

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Speaker 1: And I think they've gone in different directions. They've tried

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks and there might be something developing

429
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Speaker 1: on the tight end market. He seems to know something

430
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 1: we do not, So I'm wondering what exactly he has

431
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 1: in mind there. See, I don't you know, I heard

432
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,400
Speaker 1: the same thing for me. I don't know if there's

433
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 1: anything truly, you know, I've heard a couple of people

434
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 1: talking about how Kim addressed all the needs and free agency.

435
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,159
Speaker 1: I think some of that had to do with the

436
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 1: order in which the questions were presented. Cornerback was the

437
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 1: first thing he was asked about, so he went into

438
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 1: super in depth, and he gave us all the lines

439
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 1: about we're gonna look in trade or we're gonna look

440
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 1: in free agency, and we're gonna look in the draft.

441
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 1: Then he's later asked about running back, and then he

442
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 1: kind of goes into that a little bit and kind

443
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 1: of reiterates the same thing, We're going to do those things,

444
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 1: and then tight end was last, and then it's kind

445
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 1: of like, well, you know, he could repeat all the

446
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 1: same things he had already said, but or he could

447
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,360
Speaker 1: just kind of cut it off again. And they've got

448
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: one tight end with relative experience on the roster right now,

449
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 1: Max Williams at running back. They've got Chase Edmonds and

450
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: that's it with in terms of experience. So I would

451
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: expect both those positions as well as cornerback to be

452
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 1: addressed with at least one veteran at some point. Obviously,

453
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,479
Speaker 1: Dan Arnold has left, he went to Carolina, so what

454
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: do you do. You could bring back to Arl Daniels,

455
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 1: who was very much up and down, had a couple

456
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 1: of nice plays, struggled at other times, but I don't

457
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: expect he's going anywhere, so you could always bring him

458
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:35,640
Speaker 1: back as a third guy if he needed him. But again,

459
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 1: as we move forward into free agency and who's we

460
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: get closer to the draft, there are still a lot

461
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 1: of guys out there on the market that aren't going

462
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 1: to get what they are expecting. And it's like going

463
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 1: back to the cornerback. I mean, there are still a

464
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 1: ton of veteran quarterbacks at cornerbacks out there that they're

465
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 1: just not signed yet. And not everybody needs a cornerback anymore.

466
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: And so you're gonna have to if you want to play,

467
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 1: you're gonna probably have to swallow something lesser than you

468
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: were expecting. And I expect the same for running back

469
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 1: or tight end. And you don't need like Kyle was

470
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 1: saying before about running back, I mean, you don't need

471
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 1: somebody big. I mean I personally think you need somebody

472
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: with some size. And when I may say big, not

473
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: a big name, I think you need somebody with a

474
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: little bit of size to have on the roster. I

475
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: don't know if he necessarily has to be your starter,

476
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: but I'm also of the ilk that I don't. I'm

477
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: not a big fan of giving Chase Edmonds twenty five

478
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 1: touches a game either. I think that would lower his effectiveness.

479
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 1: So I would like to see somebody who could do

480
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 1: something that kind of takes the press off. Now, maybe

481
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 1: that's Jonathan Ward, who they seem to like a little bit,

482
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 1: or we'll see what happens with Eno Benjamin. You know,

483
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: in a tight end, that's a bigger question. But like

484
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: you guys were saying, I mean, it's not like they

485
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: throw to the tight end a whole bunch. And now

486
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 1: that you've got Green and if you get Kirk into

487
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 1: the slot perhaps and you still have Hopkins and you

488
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 1: want to get the ball to Chase Edmonds a little bit.

489
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's a little less of a thing.

490
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: And look, I realized that they're down to five draft picks.

491
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: Is that where it is, right, there's five draft picks

492
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: at this point for this year's draft. So I mean

493
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: usually typically I would say, hey man, you can get

494
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: that rookie running back in the third or fourth round,

495
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: and you know, you can almost count on him to

496
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: be a viable option to get a number of carries

497
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: per game. Typically to me, that's the one plug and

498
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: play position historically and from college the NFL is running back.

499
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,719
Speaker 1: But now with the draft picks, you know, being you know,

500
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 1: of the utmost premium what the Cardinals don't have a

501
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 1: third rounder because that was part of the Rodney Hudson trade,

502
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: the fourth rounder part of the d hop trade or

503
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: a sixth rounder was part of the Marcus Golden trade

504
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: in the New York Giants. So yeah, that, by the way,

505
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: as long as we before we leave cornerback. So if

506
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: we're to do the math and you figure, okay, Patrick

507
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: Peterson got eight million guaranteed based on the reports up

508
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 1: to ten million with incentives. You can at least sign

509
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: two venteran corners currently on the market for that same money,

510
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: couldn't you, Kyle? Isn't that realistic? To Darren's point that

511
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 1: there's much more supply perhaps in demand and maybe Steve

512
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 1: Kime's just waiting it out and with every passing day

513
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: the price comes down some of these veteran corners, and

514
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 1: I'm thinking you get two for the price of one

515
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: in terms of what Patrick Peterson would have commanded. Yeah,

516
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 1: I mean Dray Kirkpatrick, I believe signed for the minimum

517
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 1: last season and if you can get and he's on

518
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: the market himself, who's probably trying to get more money.

519
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: But if you can get a serviceable cornerback like Jay

520
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 1: Kirkpatrick last season wasn't great, but he wasn't bad. I

521
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 1: think he came in and did a nice job all

522
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: season long and fill the hole that they needed to fill.

523
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: So I think it's just looking at what they were

524
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 1: doing in training camp and bringing and rewinding it a

525
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: few months where you're not looking at the top of

526
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 1: the market anymore. But I agree, like if you sign

527
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: a couple of guys for between two and four million

528
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: at this point, with what happened with the cap, with

529
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 1: where we are in free agency, I think you can

530
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: find players that are capable of playing cornerback for that price,

531
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: and we'll see if they go for a little bit

532
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: more for one and then say we got Robert Alford

533
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: and maybe we'll do a draft pick. I think that

534
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 1: is maybe more likely because it would line up better.

535
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: But they could also grab two for three or four

536
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: million dollars and just see how it works out. Doing

537
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: more of a depth approach. You say, Drake Kirkpatrick, and

538
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: this isn't fair. I automatically think of the penalty at Seattle,

539
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: the taunting after the play after the third down stop

540
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: against DK Metcalf. And by the way, I have a

541
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf story a little bit later that ties into

542
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: the Seahawks and morals question a little bit later. But

543
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 1: I'm now going to advance. I'm now going to advance, gentlemen,

544
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: speaking of Patrick Peterson, my Larry Fitzgerald theory, and I

545
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: might be showing my hand right about now. Is there

546
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,479
Speaker 1: any chance whatsoever? And just to get everybody up to date,

547
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: I've had at least two dozen theories we left you

548
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 1: last episode of Cardinals Underground, and I surmise that because

549
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: Larry was snowboarding, that means he's done, because that's a

550
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: violation of his contract. Someone then pointed out, well, he's

551
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 1: not under contract, so he's not beholding any of those

552
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: contract parameters. I said, that's a pretty good point. That

553
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: bulls my point out of the water, so I've had

554
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: to move on. I'm wondering Larry is going to play cornerback?

555
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: Is that what you're about to say? Tight end? Don't

556
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: say no? I saw that? Was that in your mailbag? Darren?

557
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: Someone hit you up wanting Larry to play tight end?

558
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: Was that of my Twitter feed? Or is that everywhere?

559
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: It was on Twitter? And then I think I ended

560
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: up in the mailbag. Perhaps it was definitely on Twitter. Okay,

561
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: do you think there's any chance, I'll just say it,

562
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:51,719
Speaker 1: that Larry follows his good pal to his hometown. Do

563
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: you think there's any chance that Larry follows Pat p

564
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: who's probably in Larry's place right now, keep him the

565
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: lights on and make sure the pipestone freeze. That maybe

566
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: Larry goes back to the Vikings somehow, some way, that

567
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: Vikings ballboy video got tweeted out recently. What was up

568
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: with that? Where did that come from? You are totally

569
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: grassy knolling this. I mean, is there any chance that

570
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: on one of those golfing offseason road trips that Pat,

571
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: Pie and Larry took together that they decided, guess what,

572
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: let's continue to play together, but we'll just do it

573
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: in Minnesota, your hometown. Why would it have taken this law?

574
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: First of all, let's back up to Patrick for a minute.

575
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: Rick Spielman I happened to be on in the press

576
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: conference for Patrick when he was introduced to the Vikings media.

577
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: Rick Spielman came on and basically said, basically said, we

578
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: weren't necessarily chasing Patrick. His agent called us and asked

579
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: if we were interested, and we were, and so we

580
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: nailed this down in a matter of couple hours or whatever.

581
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: But it's not like it's not like the Vikings were

582
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: chasing Patrick Peterson. It doesn't sound like so. I guess like,

583
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: why so Fitz was waiting around to see where Patrick

584
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: ended up, and then because it happens to be Minnesota,

585
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: he'd want to go follow them there. I think I

586
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: think those guys are good friends I think they played

587
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: a lot of golf together. I never thought they were

588
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: attached at the hip quite in that way. And I

589
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: don't know why you, Paul, of all people, would continue

590
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: to talk about him possibly playing somebody else, because I

591
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: feel like you've been around him enough that you would

592
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: be in my ballpark, which is Larry's never gonna play

593
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: anywhere else. He's just not that that ship sailed a

594
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: few years ago when he redid his twenty three million

595
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: dollar cap hit that one year when he really could

596
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: have gotten out of it, and he decided to stick around,

597
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: and then things kind of moved on. I mean, I

598
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: think he's committed to doing the whole career in one place.

599
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: Thing all valid points. The only reason, the only reason

600
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: my mind wanders is why don't we have an answer?

601
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: What's the hold up? What is going on exactly? The

602
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: Vikings need help for Adam Feeland obviously, after Stefan Diggs

603
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: moved on, it'd be a heck of a selling card

604
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: in Minnesota to bring Larry home for a final season.

605
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if Larry's looking at the receiver room right

606
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: now and saying, where exactly do I fit? Where do

607
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: I get my targets. I'm a historian of the game,

608
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: you know what, it'd be kind of cool to go

609
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: home and finish with the vikings that put a book

610
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: end as to where my career started. Getting advice from

611
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: Randy Moss and Chris Carter. The fact that Larry hasn't

612
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: provided an answer, it's created this void in this vacuum

613
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: that I keep getting sucked in too. I know, I

614
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: know Kyle wants to stay some but I gotta quick say, boy,

615
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: you forgot about Justin Jefferson really fast. I mean, the

616
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: Dube was like, that's true, You're right I did. You're

617
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: right I did. But anyways, Kyle, I think that, like

618
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: Darren said, the legacy part of Larry Fitzgerald is seems

619
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: like an important thing to him. Where he has said

620
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: multiple times that he's just going to play in Arizona.

621
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: He's not going to go to another team. But I

622
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: agree with you, Paul, like it's not completely out of

623
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: left field because it's his hometown. He's now a free agent.

624
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: They're a pretty good team that could be pretty competitive

625
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,239
Speaker 1: next season. I don't think they're a contender, but you

626
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: can talk yourself into them being contender if you're a

627
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: free agent like Patrick Peterson probably did that. Being said,

628
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: I just don't think that Larry Fitzgerald would want to

629
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: do that, just because he said long enough that he

630
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: wanted to stay with the one organization. I mean, he's

631
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: an icon in Arizona. Does he want to have any

632
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: mixed feelings among fans? I think most people would mind,

633
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: but there'd be that fraction of people that would feel

634
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: betrayed that he left the Cardinals. So I don't think

635
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: it would happen. But there's enough there's enough there for

636
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: it to not be a total cockamany theory for you, Paul,

637
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: I can see why you'd consider that. Are you giving

638
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: you're giving him props? I like it. I mean I

639
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: I just think, uh, Paul's talking about the void that

640
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: he has. I gotta I gotta wonder, and I don't

641
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Speaker 1: want to. I don't want to rip on anybody in

642
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: your household, Paul, but like, what's the family life going on,

643
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: What's what's what's the marriage, like, how are you how's

644
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: your relationship with the kids. If you've got this hole

645
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: that you need to fill with fits conspiracy theories, well, Yaron,

646
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you know, come on, Larry, holds

647
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: a special place in all our lives. I mean, not

648
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: everybody has a Albertson's signed placard from Larry Fitzgerald as

649
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: to from one of his youth camps. Okay, you know

650
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: I look at this, you know, every day I see

651
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: this and I'm like, well, what's going on? Larry? When? Who? Where? How?

652
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: What's going on? What exactly are we waiting for right here?

653
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: So okay, we do have a huge bucket of props

654
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: next to you, don't you Every single podcast it's like

655
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 1: five thing pickaxe, bobblehead signed photos. Yeah. Well, I mean

656
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: AJ Green didn't give any further. I mean AJ Green

657
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: gave us nothing. Steve Kin gave us nothing. As for Larry,

658
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: So what exactly is going on here? We have no answers,

659
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: only speculations, some more responsible than others, and so you know,

660
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: we did get one answer though this week already Guess

661
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: what speculation was that Justin Pugh was going to take

662
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: a haircut, especially after his Instagram picture of getting a haircut.

663
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: And sure enough that picture spoke it into existence, did

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00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 1: it not, Kyle, Yeah, he's gonna go down in salary.

665
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: I think a little bit more than four million dollars,

666
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: and it is a straight pay cut, which players do

667
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: not like taking. I mean, a restructure is easy because

668
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: you get signing bonus money basically instead of your salary.

669
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: So it's actually a plus for you when you do

670
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: the restructure because you get more money immediately and you

671
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: get a smaller base salary. So players are more than

672
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: happy to do that. But when it comes to pay cuts,

673
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: that's when it gets a little dicey tyer. Matthew famously

674
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: didn't want a pay cut when the Cardinals offered it,

675
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: and instead they released him and he went to the Texans.

676
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: But money, by the way, I hope it's iramid. You

677
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: ended up getting less money than the Cardinals offered. And

678
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: that's the thing. Like you sign a contract and from

679
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: a player's point of view, they think they're gonna get

680
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 1: every cent that's on that contract, and when they don't,

681
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: they're understandably upset. And that's why Justin Pugh agreeing to

682
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: redo the deal and then tweeting out that I did

683
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: this and I want to I love Arizona, I want

684
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: to win a ring here. I mean that says volumes

685
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: about where he is mentally, and it's a good deal.

686
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: For the Cardinals. I mean it hurts justin Pugh's bank account,

687
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: no doubt. But for a mc Cardinal's salary cap standpoint

688
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: and a team building standpoint, now they have a good

689
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: left guard at a more reasonable price, and now they

690
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: have some more salary cap room maybe for that cornerback

691
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: we want. And I will say in the context of you,

692
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: I mean that the other thing is is, as I

693
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 1: understand it, restructuring, a team can just do it because

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00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: the players losing no money, so they you don't even

695
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: have to work with a player to do that. Not

696
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 1: that a player would ever be upset about it because

697
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: you're getting more money up front, but the team can

698
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 1: just do it and get their cap straight and then

699
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,479
Speaker 1: you know, handle it with a player later. In this case,

700
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: when you're talking about a pay cut, the player has

701
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: to be on board. And I think that's important when

702
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: you start talking about this situation. You know there have

703
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: been times over the years that it's it's been tough.

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00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: Our our good friend Bertrand Berry. I remember very vividly

705
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: being at the Combine one year and and at that

706
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: time the Cardinals actually put out a press release saying

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00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 1: he had agreed to a pay cut, which they would

708
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: never do these days. But um, you know, I don't

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00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: think Bertrand was all that happy about it, but he

710
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: did it because he kind of felt like he had

711
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: too and didn't want to go on the open market.

712
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: And I think Justin coming out right away, which was

713
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: kind of funny because I was poking around trying to

714
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: see on some of the websites that cover this stuff,

715
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: and I had seen it and I was in the

716
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: middle of writing it when I heard from a both

717
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: a fan and our good friend Mike Drecy were pointing

718
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: out that it happened. I said, yeah, I see it.

719
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: I'm already writing it up. I post it, and like

720
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: within two minutes of me putting it on Twitter, Justin

721
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: Pugh is putting it out and putting his message out

722
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: on Twitter. So obviously he's paying attention, which is always good.

723
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: And so I think it's great that he wants to

724
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: be a part of this team and understood what the

725
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: circumstances were. I understand players that say no, I understand

726
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: players that say, you know what, you want to give

727
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: me a pay cut. I'd rather be on the open market.

728
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: But as we've already talked about with about three other positions.

729
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: Being on the open market this late after free agency

730
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: and it's not even that late. A week plus is

731
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: never good in a regular situation, and it's really bad

732
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: this year with the cap dropping. So this is this

733
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: is when you you know you you you might have

734
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: to swallow a little pride, understanding that it's still a

735
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: better deal than you probably find anybody anywhere else, and

736
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: you get to stay with a team that In Justin's case,

737
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: I think he's got a nice little niche year. He

738
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: fits well on the left side with DJ Humphreys. I

739
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: do think he played pretty solid football last year, and

740
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 1: I think it was important for them to keep him.

741
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he didn't have a lot of options,

742
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: perhaps especially at the salary he's still getting. But if

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00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: the Cardinals would have had to cut him that that

744
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: would have been a big hole. In my opinion, that

745
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: you probably got yourself. As much as you would have

746
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: improved its center, you might have weakened yourself at guard.

747
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 1: He just has multiple revenue streams anyway. He's part owner

748
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,439
Speaker 1: of that pizzeria on the east coast, you know, So

749
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: it's right, it's just justin Peu incorporated. So you know,

750
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: he's already setting himself up to be the businessman once

751
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: this all ends. So I guess the question becomes, all right,

752
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: Justin pu Who's next? Would a Devon Canard be in

753
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: the crosshairs next? I know Jordan Hicks has been speculated

754
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: upon a little bit, but right now doesn't appear they

755
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: would have anyone to fill that void, as you know,

756
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: as the middle linebacker and captain of the defense at

757
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: least the play caller and sort of brains of the defense.

758
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: That would be a big loss if he said no

759
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: and they parted ways. Yeah. A lot of it is

760
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: the dead cap hit part of it, because I think

761
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks is going to make nine million dollars this

762
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: season if I'm not mistaken as far as a cap hit,

763
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: and if you release him, you only save three million

764
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: of that and you're taking a six million dollars hit.

765
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: So you don't have as much leverage in the Jordan

766
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: Hicks situation as the Justin Pugh where you could have

767
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: saved a considerable amount. Devon Canard you can save a

768
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: pretty decent amount. Yeah, I think the Devon can Art

769
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 1: situation is the last one to me on the roster

770
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: where you look at certain salaries and that maybe a

771
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: paycutter a change makes sense. It all depends on what

772
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: kind of future you think Devon Canard brings to this team.

773
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: I mean, if you want him as a rotational outside linebacker,

774
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: then you try to keep him. And if he's just

775
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 1: going to be a depth guy, then the salary isn't

776
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: equal to what he's going to bring you on the field.

777
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: So we'll see where that goes. But yeah, I think

778
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: Devon Canard is the one person left when we're looking

779
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: at the roster and the cap where you do have

780
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: that question about is anything going to happen? You know,

781
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: I just realized that I may have to swallow hard

782
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: and absorb the debate this loss, as it turns out,

783
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: because one of the other questions and debate this was

784
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: over under number of new starters on the Cardinals offensive line.

785
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: The number was two. Kyle went two or less. I

786
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: went definitely three or four new starters in the old line.

787
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: It appears now I'm gonna lose. Let's see here left right,

788
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 1: DJ Humphrey's, Justin Pugh, Rodney Hudson, Brian Winners, and Kelvin Beacham.

789
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 1: So that would be two news starters and unfortunately, Kyle

790
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: is the victor on that one. Darren helped me out.

791
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: Could anyone beat out anyone that I just named here

792
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: on that's that's starting offensive line? Unfortunately, the one person

793
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: I was thinking that could beat somebody out would be

794
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: Justin Murray beating out Brian Winners at right guard, in

795
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: which case you'd have only one different starter because Justin

796
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: Murray was starting at the end of last year. See ashtag.

797
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 1: It can always get worse. You're right, Darren, You're supposed

798
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: to say Josh Jones is going to beat out Kelvin

799
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: Beacham for right tackle, and I do think I do

800
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: think they're hoping that he could take that kind of

801
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 1: step forward. I think Kelvin Beacham's the kind of player

802
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: that he's perfect in there because he can start for

803
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: you if he needs to, and if the rookie comes

804
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: up and plays really well, Kelvin Beacham will be cool

805
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,439
Speaker 1: with being the swing tackle and understanding of where he

806
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: is in his situation to be a team guy. So

807
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure they hope Josh Jones makes that step forward,

808
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: but I think as of right now, I think you'd

809
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,439
Speaker 1: have to at least pencil lightly pencil Calvin Beecham, maybe

810
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 1: maybe be a little harder with a pencil. I'm not

811
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: really sure to use pencil anymore. Yeah, I'm gonna use

812
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: that pencil, and I'm gonna put Josh Jones. I'm gonna

813
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: pencil them into the tight end room right now. Honestly,

814
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 1: they used him quite a bit, right, Is that sixth

815
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: offensive lineman sort of blocking tight end at this point?

816
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 1: I wonder if that's not what they're thinking to some degree,

817
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: And maybe they are. And as long as we're going

818
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: in that direction, we'll put Lucky Foe to at fullback

819
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 1: and this go jumbo as hell. Maybe that Eric Donald

820
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: here it comes. You can find blocking tight ends in

821
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 1: free agency in the draft. I mean, those guys are

822
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: among the least premium positions with like nose tackles and

823
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: stuff like that. The thing the Cardinals need is a

824
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: move tight end because they don't have Dan Arnold anymore,

825
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: or and do you want a pass catcher there? So

826
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: unless Josh Jones loses about fifty pounds and improves his

827
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: forty speed to like four to six four seven, maybe

828
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: then we've got a tight end. Until then, I wouldn't

829
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: hold your breath. Paul I'm not saying he runs the

830
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: skinny post. I'm not not put him out on third

831
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: and seven, you know, to run arount. I'm just saying,

832
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 1: how about Brian Winners though? How about this Brian Winners?

833
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: And you gotta love some of the videos out there

834
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: where some of his offseason training is along the lines

835
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,479
Speaker 1: of the Strongest Man competition. I mean, I can't wait

836
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: when Brian Winners we finally get a chance to meet him.

837
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask him, do you know Magnus for Magnussen

838
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: That is the first question that should be asked to

839
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: Brian Winners when he meets the media. Wait a minute,

840
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: I feel like that's like the second time we've referenced

841
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: Magnus for Magnuson on the podcast over like the last

842
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: couple of months. What, Darren, are you insinuating there's a

843
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: bad time to reference Magnus for Magnuson. I mean, honest,

844
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: clearly you've moved on from Chris Struveler on to Magnus

845
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: That's right. Well, you know, the fur coat thing kind

846
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: of you know, old, and so the next guy most

847
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: likely to rock the fur coat and the cowboy hat,

848
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: bear chested apparently would be Brian Winners based on the

849
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: fact there's video of him pulling a truck with a

850
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: rope as his offseason training. Well, I mean I was

851
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: doing that the other morning. The deal is, it's because

852
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: your battery guy, it was it was a Ford truck. Good.

853
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 1: That's good, that's good. It's right. You're a Desert Ford Dealers,

854
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: one of the main partners of the Arizona Cardinals. And

855
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: it wasn't f three fifty in the video. By the way, dang,

856
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: go ahead, Kyle, isn't Magnus fur Magnus in an official

857
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: partner of the Cardinals too, I don't know, Buddy Morris.

858
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: Bring him in as an offseason training specialist. That's what

859
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: he needs to do. So like Roger Kingdom used to

860
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: be the speed specialist, bring in Magnus to be that

861
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: powerlifting guy. You know, if you need to be able

862
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: to powerlift logs and boulders, you bring him in and

863
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: put him in a Geico commercial. See what frightens me

864
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: is if we bring in Magnus for I feel like

865
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna try and push Kyle and Iota Cardinals underground

866
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: so you can do a podcast with him. And that's

867
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: just I mean kind of that Mutton Jeff kind of look,

868
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: and I just I would you know, well, now that

869
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: we're doing over Zoom, I mean Zoom reaches Iceland, so

870
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: we can go into Iceland and get Magnus there, you know,

871
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: live on the podcast. Yeah, Jim Momohandro, please try and

872
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: figure that out and make that booking if you don't mind.

873
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: I heard he's a big analytics guy, though, if you're

874
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: gonna get rid of me thinking you're off analytics and

875
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: he's gonna come in talking pro football focus all day, No,

876
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: come on, there's nothing more anti analytics than the brute

877
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: strength of one of the world's strongest men. You know,

878
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: can you pick up these cement barrels? There's no analytics

879
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: in that, I'm sorry, a lot of physics involved. He's

880
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: checking the numbers, so is Brian Winners Automatically you're right

881
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: guard because right now, stop me here, Brian Winners justin Murray,

882
00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: Josh Jones, Mason Cole and or Lamont Gilliard. You have

883
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: five potential guys for that position. I know one of

884
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: those guys, Lemock Guiller and Mason Cole is gonna be

885
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: your backup center slash swing guard. But I'm guessing when

886
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: the music stops, there's not going to be enough folding

887
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: seats left for all five of those guys. You and you,

888
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: and you realize if you went up into Sean Cooler's

889
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: office right now and looked at his dupth chart, he

890
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: definitely have a certain and I don't know what it is,

891
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: but he definitely have a certain way. He's looking at

892
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: that position right now, even before he's seen everybody. I mean,

893
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: I don't think you bring in Brian Winners if you

894
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: don't think he can play at least a little bit.

895
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: Now that being said, it's a one year deal, it's

896
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,439
Speaker 1: it's on the back half of the it's like Wave

897
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: three of free agency, So I would guess that. You know,

898
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: there's always a chance if something went sideways. We've seen

899
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: that a later veteran gets signed, and he's kind of

900
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: a name. We've definitely heard of him. He's got starts

901
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: in the league, but by the time we get back

902
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: to the end of of the preseason, it turns out

903
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: he's not on the team because they want to stay

904
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: young as long as we're having deep backups or whatever.

905
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: So you don't know what will exactly happen with Brian Winners.

906
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: But when you talk about a guy who had nine

907
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: starts at right guard last year and who started at

908
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: right guard for the last four or five years with

909
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: the Jets and the Bills, I mean that gives you

910
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 1: a nice potential option if you decide to go in

911
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: that direction. All right, So simply put, is Kyler Murray happy?

912
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: You got Rodney Hudson at center? You got Brian Winners,

913
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: an established guy known for being physical, known for his

914
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: pass blocking prowess as well. Just like Rodney Hudson has

915
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: given up only ten sacks in ten years in the league.

916
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: Think about that average is allowing one sack per season.

917
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: So is this the upgrade that Kyler Murray has been

918
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: hinting at during the offseason via Twitter. I think he

919
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: should be happy. I mean, you look on paper at least,

920
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: I think this Cardinal's offensive line has a lot of talent.

921
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: I think Dj Humphries has morphed into a Pro Bowl talent.

922
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: Roddy Hudson is obviously a Pro bowler. Justin Pugh can

923
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: play at that level if everything comes together and your

924
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: right side isn't as good, but you've got some serviceable

925
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: players there. So I think the Cardinals offensively protection wise,

926
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: did a nice job last season from start to finish.

927
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: You look at the sack numbers of Kyler Murray and

928
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: they came way down, and I think they have the

929
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: potential to be better next season, and on paper they

930
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: are better. So I mean, you're maybe you don't have

931
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: that Green Bay Packers offensive line in the last several

932
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 1: years when Aaron Rodgers could sit back there and eat

933
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: a sandwich before throwing. But I think you're in a

934
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: good spot. And Kyler Murray has DeAndre Hopkins on the outside,

935
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: He's got a pretty good offensive line. I mean, I

936
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: think Christian Kirk in the slot makes a lot of sense.

937
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: I think he could be a weapon there. So their

938
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: offense certainly has the talent at this point I think

939
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: to take that leap, and if they don't, I think

940
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: it's not really a personnel issue at that point at

941
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: this point, because I think they have some good players

942
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,919
Speaker 1: on that side of the ball. The fact that Kyler

943
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: Murray texted Rodney Hudson right away after the trade went down,

944
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: According to Rodney Hudson, I'm going to take that as

945
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: a double thumbs up from the Cardinals quarterback. So right now, Darren.

946
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're Kyler, your top three receivers are

947
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: set penning the return of Larry Fitzgerald, and then I

948
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: guess you're just looking at the tight end spot and

949
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: running back. I mean, that's what you're looking at, and

950
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: there's you know, there's no saying that either one of

951
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: those won't be addressed in the draft. Dude, we might

952
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: be waiting until April twenty nine to see who exactly

953
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: that might be in that draft weekend, because it's very

954
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: feasible we don't get another player either one of those

955
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: positions if we want to just wrap up the offensive

956
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: side of the ball. No, I don't think necessarily. I

957
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: mean there's always that chance. Again, if you're signing some

958
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: guy to a minimum deal, it can't hurt you in

959
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: the offseason. The salary cap is only the top fifty

960
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: one salary, so I mean it's all doable. You know,

961
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: I've said this all a lot. I mean, we get

962
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: into the a free agency and it heats up right

963
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: before the tampering period. I mean, the free agency doesn't

964
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: start until that Wednesday, but because all these deals are

965
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: being thrown out there in the media on Monday and Tuesday,

966
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: people are thinking, you know, what the hell, you know,

967
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: why why isn't my team doing this? And you know,

968
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: I'm just I've been doing this for too long. Let

969
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: me let me see what this team looks like in

970
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: mid May. Let me see what it looks like after

971
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 1: all the free agency and after the draft and kind

972
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: of how the pieces might look and even this team,

973
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 1: I mean last year, and I don't you know, Drake

974
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: Kirkpatrick wasn't a pro bowler last year, but they got

975
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: Drake Kirkpatrick in training camp, and I thought, considering they

976
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: got him in training camp, he was decent, just like

977
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: I thought. Trumont Williams played really well in twenty seventeen

978
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: he came in training camp, and Eric Winston in twenty thirteen,

979
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 1: and John Abraham in twenty thirteen, and you know, the

980
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: list goes on and on and on. Lyle Sunline came

981
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: back in training camp one year. When they realize, oh

982
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: we're two weeks in still this you know it's not

983
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: working at center. Let's bring alau Semline back. So with

984
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: Steve Kime especially, I'm very leery about saying this roster

985
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: is done or that it's going to be the best

986
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: it can be up until we get to the game's account,

987
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: and we're so far away from that. I think they've

988
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: made nice strides and they're in a good place right now,

989
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: all things considered, and let's see where they go, especially

990
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: at cornerback. Who was the Carolina running back we end

991
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: up signing with Atlanta Mike Davis, right, correct? Can I

992
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 1: go off on a little bit of a ran here?

993
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: There seems to be a number of Arizona fans lamenting

994
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: the loss of Mike Davis to the Atlanta Falcons, as

995
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: if the Cardinals should have made him a free agent priority.

996
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 1: We're talking to Wolf too much, Okay, And I honestly

997
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: haven't heard Wolf say this. He was he in favor

998
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: of Mike Davis or was he saying pumped the brakes

999
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: on Mike Davis. No, he wanted Mike Davis. He wanted

1000
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: Chris Carson, and then he wanted Mike Davis. Okay, well, Wolf,

1001
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: this is for you. Then that Week four performance by

1002
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 1: the Cardinals defense was borderline pathetic. It was the worst

1003
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: performance in a lot of ways all season long. Without

1004
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey, Carolina ran for a buck sixty eight. Some

1005
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 1: of the other numbers I just looked it up the

1006
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: right in front of me. Cardinals d gave up seven

1007
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: to eleven on third down to Teddy Bridgewater, eight of

1008
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: twelve on third and fourth down Carolina converted. They had

1009
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: no sacks, They had three quarterback pressures. Carolina scoring drives

1010
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: went thirteen, nine, ten, eight and fifteen plays. They had

1011
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: four drives of seventy five plus yards. Time of possession

1012
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: was thirty seven to twenty three. The Cardinals defense was

1013
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: at its worst without Buddha Baker in that game. So

1014
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 1: let's not cite Mike Davis in that game as being

1015
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: some sort of revelation who should have got some Mondol

1016
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: free agent contract from the Cardinals at running back. I'm sorry,

1017
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: I am pumping the brakes on that, and I have

1018
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 1: no problem him going to another team. I did think

1019
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: he was impressive in that game. I mean, he was

1020
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 1: breaking tackles and doing a nice job. But I'm with you, Paul.

1021
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: I would not pay a Mondo contract to any running

1022
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: back in free agency unless it's like Christian McCaffrey or

1023
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 1: somebody like that. And you look at the body of work.

1024
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 1: Mike Davis averaged three point nine yards per carry last season,

1025
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: and I don't want to completely judge it running back

1026
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: on his yards per carry numbers because a lot of

1027
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: that's on the line and what a defense is doing.

1028
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: But it wasn't like this unbelievable number. And Chase Edmonds,

1029
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 1: who everybody says can't be a feature back and should

1030
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: be a change of pace, he basically averaged five yards

1031
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 1: per carry last season until he played late on that

1032
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: sprained ankle or whatever ankle injury he had. He was

1033
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: kind of running around on one leg out there. So

1034
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 1: I mean, if you looked at Chase Edmonds in free

1035
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: agency the last two years and said, this guy average

1036
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 1: five yards of carry each year, how excited would people

1037
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: be to add somebody like that? So that's why I

1038
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: just feel like you've got a good piece in Chase Edmonds.

1039
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: Let him play sixty five percent of the time. Signed

1040
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: somebody for the minimum to be your short yardage big

1041
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: back to get those between the tackle carries. But yeah,

1042
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: I mean, whether it's Mike Davis or one of the

1043
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: other numerous running backs on the market, I wouldn't pay

1044
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: three million dollars for a running back. I'd rather pay

1045
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 1: them the minimum. Would you draft a running back at

1046
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: sixteen overall. If that running back was Naji Harris, Derrick

1047
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: Henry Light, no, is it Derrick Henry? I would take him.

1048
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: If he's Derrick Henry at sixteen? Yeah, can you guarantee

1049
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: that it seems to be the comp Obviously no guarantees

1050
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: in the draft, but there are a lot of people

1051
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: who are making that comparison to so if that's the guy. Now,

1052
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,280
Speaker 1: Travis Etn has campaigned openly to go number sixteen overall

1053
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:44,879
Speaker 1: to the Cardinals, and he's very talented obviously, But to me,

1054
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: I'd roll with Najie Harris and that body type in

1055
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: the NFL before I'd go with the Travis Etn at

1056
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:55,839
Speaker 1: number sixteen overall. Here's the thing, is like Kyle saying,

1057
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:57,879
Speaker 1: is he Derrick Henry? You call him Derrick Henry Light?

1058
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: What does that mean light? So that means he's not like,

1059
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: he's not as good, He's not both production and body type.

1060
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: Not quite Derrick Henry. If it's if it's or or

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00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson or Derrick Henry. I get all those things,

1062
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't mind, but you you have to be

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00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: absolutely sure. And I thought I talked to Daniel Jeremiah

1064
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: when I was doing the Travis etn story. Uh, And

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00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: I thought he made a great, great point. Now the

1066
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: Cardinals are in a different place, but they're not, you know,

1067
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: like he was like, there's always there's always nuance to

1068
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 1: all of this. Like he said he wouldn't he generally

1069
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: isn't a big fan of taking a back in the

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00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: first round, But like the Cardinals are and where they're

1071
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 1: set up right now, maybe it makes sense. Now they better,

1072
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: they're better not be a good cornerback on the board

1073
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: and they haven't addressed it yet, then that just tops it.

1074
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: But if they're able to like address cornerback and free

1075
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: agency a little bit, and you think Naja Harris is

1076
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 1: a guy who can be Travis or not Travis Henry

1077
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry Wrong, Henry wrong running back. If you think

1078
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: he can be like that, then it makes some sense.

1079
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,760
Speaker 1: They're so close that maybe that's the missing piece, especially

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00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,399
Speaker 1: talking about getting physical. But like his point was, like

1081
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: the Giants taking say Quon Barkley sa Kuwon. Barkley might

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00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: be the most talented running back. He could be as

1083
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: talented as Adrian Peterson. But the way Jeremiah looks at

1084
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 1: it is by the time you get your team good.

1085
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: All his best years are behind them, and what's the point.

1086
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: And so the better team. If you're the Bills talking

1087
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,879
Speaker 1: about taking a running back in the thirty or thirty

1088
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: one or thirty two or over they're picking this year,

1089
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense because that's they're a

1090
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 1: lot closer, and that's one of the pieces they need.

1091
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: And the Cardinals are right in that middle portion right now.

1092
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: And I'll be very curious, like I had no problem

1093
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: with Cardinals taking Beanie Wells the year that after they

1094
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: made the Super Bowl. Is laid in the first round, okay,

1095
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: and they could use a really good running back, and

1096
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:06,879
Speaker 1: quite frankly had been he not gotten hurt. I think

1097
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: he was a really good running back. But the other

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00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: thing about taking a first round running back is and

1099
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry got his extension and that's good and he's

1100
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,919
Speaker 1: a really good player. But Jeremiah is also like, I'm

1101
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: not the guy who pays the running back a second contract.

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00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: He says, I run their legs off in their first contract.

1103
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: And there are some you know, you have to balance

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00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: that if you're trying to get a long term player

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00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: out of your first round picks. Running back ain't going

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00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: to be that guy you are going all in now

1107
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: and you're going to basically lose that first round pick

1108
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: probably by the time you're four or five years in. Well,

1109
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: that would be akin to what the Cardinals have been

1110
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: doing this offseason, right, That would be in line with

1111
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 1: what we've seen so far. The time is now. They're

1112
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: not building for three years from now. They're right now

1113
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: in year three with a rookie quarterback, and that contracts,

1114
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,439
Speaker 1: whether it's going sixteen overall, whether it's hey, that Ian

1115
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: Rappaport story twenty four hours ago that several teams now

1116
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: are in on Leonard Fournette wait for it, dramatic pause

1117
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: for effect. What should the Cardinals be in the talks

1118
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: for a Leonard Fournette, that bang or that huge running

1119
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: back who you know can make that difference, especially against

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00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: stout defenses in this division. I wonder if something like

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00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: that should be part of the mix. Leonard Fournette, who

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00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: was once a top five pick, who did not live

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Speaker 1: up to that. So I think that's a part of

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00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: Darren's point, and it's like, yeah, if you get Derek

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00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: Henry or you get Christian McCaffrey, then it's probably worth it,

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00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: especially at sixteen, Like, if you're if you're drafting top five,

1127
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: even if you take a star running back from a

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00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: salary cap perspective, you're already paying that them at like

1129
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: star running back money, so you're not getting any rookie

1130
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: deal value out. We're talking so much about a quarterback

1131
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: and how chief he is on the rookie deal. You

1132
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: don't get that sort of thing with a top five

1133
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,479
Speaker 1: running back, but at sixteen they're cheaper. And I agree

1134
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: with you, Paul, Like, if you're trying to win now

1135
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: and you think running back is a position where you

1136
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: can plug somebody in that can be a difference maker,

1137
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: then that could work. I mean, we saw David Johnson

1138
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, was it? And I mean he was

1139
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: just an amazing player and he was technically a running back,

1140
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: but he was super valuable to that team. So if

1141
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: you can identify somebody at sixteen that has that David

1142
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: Johnson ability to give you that type of production, it's

1143
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: worth it. But it's not a premium position. So if

1144
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: you miss, you missed on a running back instead of

1145
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: missing on a corner, that would have been way more

1146
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: valuable if he hits. So that's my issue. The ceiling

1147
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: is just lower when you draft a running back or

1148
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: an interior lineman or an inside linebacker. These guys have

1149
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: to be great pretty quickly to live up to that

1150
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: draft status. So it all depends on the evaluation and

1151
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: knowing what the premium position are in the NFL, and

1152
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 1: running back just isn't one of them. And for the record,

1153
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: ideally i'd love to target a running back in round three,

1154
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: a guy who falls who you can young fresh legs,

1155
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: you know you can use and plug in almost immediately.

1156
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: We've seen that historically. Or go for a guy like

1157
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 1: Leonard Fournette. But at least it's somewhat of a team

1158
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: friendly contract long term where you can pull the plug

1159
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: early enough you might get you a nice signing bonus

1160
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: and some money upfront, but you can get out of it,

1161
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: you know, without having long term ramifications. That'd be ideally,

1162
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: But at this point I'm not sure exactly what the

1163
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 1: Cardinals have in mind. And once again, they're restricted on

1164
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: a number of draft picks and they still have a

1165
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: number of needs. So yeah, they don't have a third

1166
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: round pick, Paul, so they're not going to be drafting

1167
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: one in the third rounds. Yeah, what do they have.

1168
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: Now they have a first, a first, a second, a fifth,

1169
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: and two sevenths. Wow, okay, okay, all right? What else?

1170
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: What else did we miss here? Before? I asked her

1171
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 1: some advice and how to proceed with a moral dilemma

1172
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: here in the Calvin at Pauly parental unit. You guys

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01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: ready for my question? We're ready. So I'm picking up

1174
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: the young punk from school and given his friend or

1175
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: a ride home. What was not explained to me in

1176
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: the text message before I picked them up under protest again,

1177
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: by the way, is that he was wearing a Seahawks jersey.

1178
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 1: So I wasn't just picking up my son. I was

1179
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: picking up DK Metcalf. And at this point I'm like,

1180
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: do I really want DK Metcalf in a full authentic

1181
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 1: Seahawks jersey, you know, in my car? Should there be

1182
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 1: some parameters, some ground rules for this, you know, under

1183
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: no circumstances, Young Mando, I want to hear the anecdote

1184
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: about DK Metcalf hawking Buddha Baker. At the same time,

1185
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: since it's my vehicle, I can remind you that he

1186
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: only had five catches on ten targets in the two

1187
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: games last year for under one hundred yards receiving, you know,

1188
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 1: I mean, how should I pursu I just have left

1189
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: him at the herb just based on principle alone. I wasn't.

1190
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: I was. I was kind of caught off guard there,

1191
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 1: and and Darren, you look like me right now. I

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01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: was a little stupefied, sort of like you are at

1193
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: the moment. So is this somebody that you know the

1194
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 1: parents well? Or is this just a random person? Yeah?

1195
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: If it was a random person, it would have been

1196
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 1: instant decision and I would hit the gas and he

1197
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 1: would have had to use his bus card um. But

1198
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: since there is a relationship with the parents, yeah, I

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01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 1: had to think it through and the ramifications there up.

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01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 1: So would they would you here? Here? Here? Would be

1201
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: My first thought would be do you think his parents

1202
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: would have frowned upon perhaps bringing him home as like

1203
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: a you know, helping him come home, but having him

1204
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 1: jog alongside the car on the side outside where he's

1205
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: not actually running. Do you think they would have an

1206
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 1: issue with that? Where you where you kind of lead

1207
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: him home but he's not actually in the car. You know,

1208
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: the kids are high hockey player, he could use the cardio.

1209
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just thinking this through right now. He's

1210
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 1: probably a fighter. He probably would have popped me one actually,

1211
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, And now that I think

1212
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: about it, um, so yeah, you know there's there there's

1213
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 1: pluses and minuses in that scenario, Darren, There's no doubt

1214
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: about it. Um See. The problem is is your kid's

1215
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: old enough you're getting I mean we used to hear

1216
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 1: on the radio all the time this this like decades

1217
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 1: old clip of like your four year old son, and

1218
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: he's not four anymore. So like his friends are probably

1219
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 1: taller than you. Now maybe oh all that hurts. It's

1220
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 1: not untrue, it just hurts. Um. You know, yeah, there's

1221
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: there's I don't I don't want you getting beat up

1222
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 1: by this dude in the Metcalf Jersey. Then not only

1223
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 1: do we have like the Baker getting hawked by DK Metcalf,

1224
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 1: but like a DK Metcalf impersonator beating up Paul Calvc

1225
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: sideline reporter of the Cardinals. Then then the narrative just

1226
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 1: grows and grows. And I've had do indoors seventeen years

1227
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: of nastiness from the twelves on the Cardinals sideline. I

1228
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: don't want it in my car, is that so wrong, Kyle.

1229
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 1: You guys are building up this kid to be like

1230
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: DK metcalf Light and like this humongous kid. What age

1231
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: are we talking about here? All that's going through fourteen

1232
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 1: He's old enough to know better. Well, I'm thinking of

1233
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: this poor fourteen year old kid with ties to Seattle,

1234
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 1: just trying to get into this car and get a

1235
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 1: ride home, and this your friend's dad is just peeling

1236
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 1: out and flipping you the bird or something as he leaves.

1237
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm feeling bad for the kid in this scenario. Yeah,

1238
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to be one of those sports dads.

1239
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 1: So I gave him a ride home. I gave him

1240
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 1: a ride home. You know. That's that's the end of

1241
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: this story. Probably the right move. Probably it's not bad

1242
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 1: to explore your options here on Cardinals Underground. So yeah,

1243
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 1: that's why I asked, because it's still kind of veccine.

1244
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 1: I'm still kind of asking myself, you know, one of

1245
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: those things where you wake up in three in the

1246
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 1: morning you wonder if you made the right move, you know,

1247
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 1: so you know it's good. I just thought i'd weigh

1248
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 1: in get a little advice life advice here on Cardinal's

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01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:54,320
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