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Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio Together Everything. So don't don't pet Oh, that is

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Speaker 1: not how we should open the episode. I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 1: Um downloadable radio shows Jesus. Okay, okay, hey guys, welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the Worst Year Ever. Here we are your crew.

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Speaker 1: A critical part of the Worst Year Ever is badly

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Speaker 1: introducing the podcast the Worst Year Ever. It really is

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Speaker 1: the worst part of every show. I think, yeah, it

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Speaker 1: should be it should be beginnings, you know, should be terror.

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Speaker 1: It's like birth. Birth, like a is a painful process

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Speaker 1: which you can speak to. It lets you know right away.

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Speaker 1: It's like, here's life. Life is pain. Here you go

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Speaker 1: and this show. Here's the intro. The gear is pain,

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Speaker 1: and this intro gives you an idea of what to expect.

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Speaker 1: It does just in a similar way. You know, I

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Speaker 1: really understand childbirth now because of introducing podcasts. Now. Now

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Speaker 1: now I understand the pain. You feel like you feel

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Speaker 1: like you could do it right. I feel like I

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Speaker 1: do it every week. Sounds so easy, Exactly, you do

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Speaker 1: the exact same thing every single week. A couple of times.

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Speaker 1: I love the two male hosts talking child Please for

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Speaker 1: a second childbirth. This week, Robert, I'm just angling for

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Speaker 1: that sweet sweet cancelation so I can finally sleep. I

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Speaker 1: want to take the lead up top, just because this

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Speaker 1: is not going well. I think it's going great. Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a lot of news this week, so much news this week.

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Speaker 1: Seattle has seceded from the United States, according to Fox News,

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Speaker 1: alternatively threatening every year. Yeah, but they did it wild

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Speaker 1: if true. Yeah, you know, we're talking about the Capitol

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Speaker 1: Hill Autonomous Zone or CHAZZ as a lot of people

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Speaker 1: call it UM. And uh, you know what, I'm curious, like,

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Speaker 1: what do you what are y'all based on kind of

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Speaker 1: It sounds incredible? All right, Look, there's based on what

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Speaker 1: things I've heard, depends on where you're looking. If I'm

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Speaker 1: looking on Twitter and the people I follow, it seems

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Speaker 1: like goddamn utopia. It seems like a pretty beautiful expression

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Speaker 1: of um, of protesting, of community, of coming together and

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Speaker 1: then if you look at the right wing media, you

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Speaker 1: think it is the eponyme of chaos and anarchy. Uh

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Speaker 1: so that two very different narratives. Yeah, forward here, Uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: your overwhelming impression would be like, Oh, this is like

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Speaker 1: a big, unpermitted block party. Like it's it's like a

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Speaker 1: people hanging out in a space, right. Yeah. The difference

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Speaker 1: So what's actually going on here? Have you all ever

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Speaker 1: heard of the term a temporary autonomous zone? Not before now? So, uh,

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Speaker 1: this has been like a big part of my life

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Speaker 1: And this is a very complicated history. So temporary autonomous

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Speaker 1: zones have existed for centuries perhaps that perhaps thousands of years,

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Speaker 1: So the term temporary autonomous zone and kind of like

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Speaker 1: the organized ideas around it were created by a pedophile

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Speaker 1: anarchist sorcerer UM name Hakim Bay. Yeah, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: UH Temporary Autonomous Zones is uh, the universe wants to

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Speaker 1: Those who mold themselves blind masks of ideas and thrash

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Speaker 1: seeing out of dead men's eyes. Um. That's a good line. Um. Now,

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Speaker 1: the problem with Hakim bay is, as I have mentioned

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Speaker 1: lengthy essays about why it would be cool. Um, And

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Speaker 1: so the idea of a temporary autonomous zone. And again

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Speaker 1: and temporary autonomous zones are both a great venue for

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Speaker 1: But another example of it, like probably the most significant

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Speaker 1: I found a good definition of a temporary autonomous zone

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Speaker 1: like these local businesses that no, no, nobody was like

429
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Speaker 1: angry at the Raman shop or the Mexican restaurant right,

430
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Speaker 1: like there there were no business. There's no business. One

431
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Speaker 1: of the reasons it was a good place to pick

432
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Speaker 1: because all the businesses in the chairs were like nice,

433
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Speaker 1: independent little businesses doing stuff that nobody has any issue with,

434
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Speaker 1: Like if you have an issue like I, I don't

435
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: like capitalism, but I don't I think we should have

436
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 1: Raman shops, like I think we should have They were

437
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 1: camping out, yeah yeah, and so like yeah yeah, speaking

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Speaker 1: thank you sponsor the concept of ramen Um. Another thing

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Speaker 1: that I have seen painted exclusively with right wing media,

446
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: and I'd love you to speak to is um. There's

447
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: been a variety of headlines about you know, differing ideological

448
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: ideas well, you know, fractions within jazz, you know, black

449
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: organizers of Seattle doubt the sincerity of white protesters, or

450
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: you know, black lives matters. Uh feels like white protesters

451
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 1: have hijacked their message things like that. Yeah, I mean,

452
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's there like and and I do want

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Speaker 1: to point out, like number one, what a tiny section

454
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: of Seattle this is, Like we drove through the city

455
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 1: and most of it perfectly normal. Like there's there's like

456
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Speaker 1: six blocks in a very large city. This is happening.

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Speaker 1: And I will say it was actually a really diverse

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Speaker 1: crowd at Capitol Hill and a number of the people

459
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Speaker 1: who were doing organizing things that I talked to and

460
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Speaker 1: like I filmed at one point, like a public meeting

461
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Speaker 1: that they had about what to do when the police

462
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 1: reoccupied the building. And like, the people who were definitely

463
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Speaker 1: taking the lead in in organizing that discussion and talking

464
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: and like stating their opinions were majority black. Um and

465
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Speaker 1: the white activists in that crowd, we're doing a pretty

466
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Speaker 1: good job of like what we want to listen to

467
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 1: what they have to say and like and kind of

468
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Speaker 1: take their lead in this. So I I definitely like

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Speaker 1: Seattle is majority a wider city that the most large

470
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Speaker 1: cities in the United States. I would say that the

471
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: chairs from my experience, was more diverse than Seattle in general. UM.

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Speaker 1: And but it is like a situation where, yeah, you're

473
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Speaker 1: not just talking about a Black Lives Matter thing at

474
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Speaker 1: this point, you are talking about now like it's making

475
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Speaker 1: sort of the case more broad, like we're trying to

476
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Speaker 1: do police abolition here UM and trying to establish an

477
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Speaker 1: area where there are not police UM to see if

478
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Speaker 1: we can make that work, and that you know, I

479
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Speaker 1: guess like I can see how people who are particularly

480
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Speaker 1: like Black Lives Matter activists, how some of them might

481
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Speaker 1: be like that's either watering down or distracting from our

482
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Speaker 1: central message UM. At the same time, I think we're

483
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 1: a big country and there's room for experiments like this

484
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: within the broader context of this uprising against police UM.

485
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Speaker 1: And I think there's I I know in a significant

486
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Speaker 1: number of of black activists and organizers UM who are

487
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: very attached to to the chas and think this is

488
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Speaker 1: very important and they're dedicating a lot of time to it.

489
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Speaker 1: So I don't think it's fair to just like say,

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Speaker 1: this is like white white kids doing this, you know,

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Speaker 1: M because that's not what I saw on the ground.

492
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: There were a bunch of white kids there too, absolutely,

493
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: but like that's not where being media not fair. Yeah, um,

494
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 1: well that's what. Yeah, you'll see that a lot with

495
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: just like any any sort of way to discredit what's

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00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: going on. Yeah, they're very they're incredibly scared of this,

497
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: like the and and it was evident when I came

498
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: back to Portland's UM obviously, like I think there's a

499
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Speaker 1: lot of a lot of kids, and especially a lot

500
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 1: of white kids UM in the Portland activist scene who

501
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: were like kind of pissed that Seattle did this first,

502
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: and uh and one of their own autonomous zone and

503
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: that's happened. There's been like three or four attempts around

504
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: the country so far, a couple of which are like

505
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: ongoing to establish autonomous zones UM free of police in

506
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Speaker 1: a couple of cities. UM. And there was talk about

507
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Speaker 1: doing that on Saturday night in Portland. There was gonna

508
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: be like a people are gonna meet up at the

509
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Speaker 1: Justice Center and like have a meeting about where to

510
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: do it and then march off and occupy some territory UM.

511
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Speaker 1: And it was canceled. That plan was canceled at the

512
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Speaker 1: last minute when like a bunch of local activists of

513
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: color were like, what the funk are you doing? Number

514
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: one announcing that over social media six hours ahead of

515
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: time is so fucking stupid. Um. And number two like

516
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: nobody consulted like us about this and like this, So anyway,

517
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 1: there was a whole kerfuffle over it, and the plan

518
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 1: was backed away from and there was just a normal

519
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: protest that night. But the police there were like four

520
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Speaker 1: times as many cops as normal, Like they brought in

521
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Speaker 1: cops from all over the rest of the state on

522
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: like short notice in order to fill Portland up so

523
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Speaker 1: they could stop this thing if anyone actually did attempt

524
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: to create an autonomous zone because they're scared as hell

525
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: of this idea. Um and I think scared beyond the

526
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Speaker 1: actual radical potential of of the chairs by the idea.

527
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: Like there was just a case and um sucking um

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Speaker 1: uh I forget which this. There was like a little

529
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Speaker 1: person b l M rally and rule somewhere in the

530
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: rural United States that like several hundred like MAGA protesters

531
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: showed up armed to like assault and shove around because

532
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: they were they terrified of what the news has told him.

533
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: Is this like anarchist hellhole that's eaten all of Seattle.

534
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: Um it's it's uh, it does say something about the

535
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: power of these concepts and about the power of this

536
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: idea that even something as mild as the CHAZ, which

537
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: is again more of a block party than a revolution,

538
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: that it but just the vague idea that like, oh yeah,

539
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: we're saying you can't have cops in this neighborhood, like

540
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: that fucking terrifies these people. Um. And that's really interesting

541
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: to me. The the fear with which this has been

542
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: met by corners of our country says a lot, because

543
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: again it's a block party absolutely. Uh, it's well, it's

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00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: a threat to their way of life. It's the threat

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00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: to what we perceive as being possible. Um. Yeah, they

546
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: don't want people to get a taste. Yeah. Like, the

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00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: the autonomous zones that I've spent a lot of time

548
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: in are like what if we did away with any

549
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: forms of central authority, like generated our own power for

550
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: a while, like had no police, had no firefighters, had

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00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: no like do did all of that ourselves? Um in

552
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: a in a system where capitalism and in any sort

553
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,239
Speaker 1: of use of money is explicitly forbidden. Um. And the

554
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: Chas is kind of more just is different kind of

555
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: autonomous because they're not they're not trying to completely change society.

556
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: They're basically just saying like like the what's at least

557
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: what I witnessed there was people being like, what if

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00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: we had kind of the same society we have, um,

559
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: but free food for people who need it and no

560
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: cops like that that that that that's like but like, yeah,

561
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: still businesses, you know, still still the other normal stuff.

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Speaker 1: You know, street parking is free if you can find it,

563
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: and there was a good amount of street parking, but

564
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: like it wasn't like it's not like the Paris Commune, right,

565
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: Like they're not de ring war on the state to

566
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Speaker 1: to to destroy it. People are basically most of the

567
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: people there. I think we're like, yeah, why don't we

568
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: just get rid of the cops? And we're made it

569
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: a little easier to be homeless by making sure there's

570
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: like free food and clinics around um. And also what

571
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: I think all the people who were mad about this

572
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: and terrified also hate the government, yeah, and would support

573
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: this kind of thing if it were for a slightly

574
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: different reason. Probably. Yeah, it is weird because like the

575
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: stuff that I believed when I was a conservative, I

576
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't have found this to be out of line with

577
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: mighty ideology at the time, which was like people should

578
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: just be left alone to do their own ship. Um

579
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: like it's yeah, I think, like the government out of

580
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: my business. Um, we're having a party, go away, yeah,

581
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: or joined the party, It's up to you. Um. The

582
00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: president's response has been yeah, something ye want to talk

583
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: about that? Um? What did he say? Interview with Fox News? Here?

584
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: What do we have here with Harris Faulkner. This is

585
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, Um, you know, saying that the his administration

586
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: is not going to let Seattle be occupied by anarchists.

587
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: If there were more toughness, you wouldn't have the kind

588
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: of devastation that you had in Minneapolis and in Seattle.

589
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: I mean, let's see what's going on in Seattle. I'll

590
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: tell you. If they don't straighten that situation out, we're

591
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: going to straighten it out. Um. And just so many

592
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: tweets about it. Yeah, you know, Mayor of Seattle and

593
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: j Insley are being taunted and played at a level

594
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: that our great country has never seen before. Take back

595
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: your city now. If you don't do it, I will.

596
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,239
Speaker 1: This is not a game. These ugly anarchists must be

597
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: stopped immediately. Move fast, you know, law and order tweets. Um.

598
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: I also love uh domestic terrorists have taken over Seattle

599
00:32:55,080 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: run by the radical left Democrats. Yeah, domestic m domestic terrorists,

600
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: but the KKK ist No. But you know who's a

601
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: terrorist is the people who showed up with several hundred

602
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: Pistramy sandwiches to give free sandwiches out classic act of

603
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: I remember in Mosel when isis through Pastrami sandwiches at

604
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: us I I had real flashbacks to my last encounterable terrorist. Yeah, yeah,

605
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: my PETRAM post traumatic stress disorder. Absolutely, it is one

606
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: of the like again, like the tazz as I've been

607
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,719
Speaker 1: involved with have been I think kind of more more

608
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: politically radical um than the Chaz, which is a pretty

609
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: mild autonomous zone, you know, by comparison to some particularly

610
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: by comparison to like Rojava or the Mai don Um

611
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: or even kind of standing Rock um. But it it's

612
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: like just hearing people talk about it like it's devastated

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00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: seattles Like I I ated a lovely bipp and bop

614
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: place that is it's just in the middle of this.

615
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: I got my partner and I got like a bunch

616
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: of food and some beers. And we sat in the

617
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: middle of a park on a nice sunny day and

618
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: listened to a mix of speeches and street music and

619
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: watch people paint a mural. And it was it was lovely.

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00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: It was a very nice afternoon. Said like, those businesses

621
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 1: are actually getting a lot more customers right now, probably

622
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: than the rest of Seattle because of the pandemic. I

623
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: met a very and bought a number of drinks from

624
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: a very happy bartender who was like, yeah, I've been

625
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: getting great tips. Like I talked to a couple of

626
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: folks who were like stylists at a hair salon and

627
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, our salon actually still isn't open yet

628
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: because of COVID nineteen. But once this happened, we like

629
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: emailed or called our our our manager and we're like,

630
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Speaker 1: can we open up the salon so that people can

631
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: have access to the bathrooms and so that we can

632
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 1: use it as like a community um, like a basically

633
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: a place to dispense like things that people need, you know,

634
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: like food and sanitation supplies and stuff. And their boss

635
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: was like absolute and so like these two like stylists

636
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 1: were just kind of there on their own time opening

637
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: up the shop so that it could be part of

638
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: this UM. Yeah, and they weren't even making any money

639
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: off of it at that point because again like because

640
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: of the plague they're they weren't doing haircuts. Yeah, it's great, UM,

641
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna ask about that. What's the the

642
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: I guess the social distance mask COVID concern vibe there?

643
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: Like uh people, most people were masked. Social distancing I

644
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: will certainly say not as distant as we ought to be, UM,

645
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: because it's been very crowded a lot of times. But

646
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: people are pretty good about masks. You know, it did

647
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: come out recently that, um, just yesterday, I think the

648
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: news dropped that only one percent of Washington's or of

649
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: Seattle's UM COVID nineteen cases traced back to the protests,

650
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: which started like two weeks ago. So we do have

651
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: some good data on that now. UM. In in in

652
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: in Oregon, we had like our biggest one day new

653
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen cases like cases, but only five of them

654
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: were people who had attended protests. So it does seem

655
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: like the fact that people are despite everything else, masked

656
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: up in these is well, the masks cuts transmission down

657
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: to like one Yeah, if if both If you're interacting

658
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: with someone and you're both wearing a mask, that's what

659
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: does it. It's not one person. And yeah, all you know, Yeah,

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00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: it does seem like we can. It does seem like

661
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: one of the things we're learning about COVID nineteen is

662
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: that we can reasonably safely all be out in public

663
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: together if everybody's wearing a mask. If I actually I

664
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Speaker 1: didn't really desired somebody talking about it, but there's some

665
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: study of if everybody, just everybody everywhere wore masks for

666
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: three weeks, it would be wiped out. Yeah, yeah, it is.

667
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: It would be very simple to have been done with

668
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: this with a minimal impact on the economy. Um, but

669
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: that America is not going to do the simple thing.

670
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: We're going to have a real dumb fight about it

671
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: for no good reason. What if we make it worse?

672
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: And that's why I am proud to be an American

673
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: where at least I know I am free to elongate

674
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: a pandemic by months, and I won't forget the men

675
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 1: who died to give that right to me to spread

676
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: the plague to them. I don't stand up next to

677
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: you and I will lick your eyeball today because freedom

678
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: means you know, the plague, I don't know. Yeah, it

679
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: was licking eyeballs. That's what I miss most about the

680
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 1: before time. I'll just you know, like your eyes, Robert,

681
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to have nightmares about that tonight. I'm having

682
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: the craziest COVID dreams Lately. I do not have a

683
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: night where I don't have intense just COVID revolution. All

684
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: of it just dreams that are intent and that will

685
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: be in my dreams. Now it's time for an ad. Yeah,

686
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: speaking of dreams, these products are a dream well done together. Everything.

687
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: We're back from the as so I think that's all

688
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: we have to say about the chairs, about the chatonymous zones.

689
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Ron Pearlman for just a brief second

690
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: onto something important. Yeah, okay, okay, okay, goodness. Yeah. Someone

691
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: on Twitter, uh minshevik m summarized it really well, and

692
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: I want to reach his summary. So Ron Pearlman called

693
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Speaker 1: United States Congressman and possible accessory to sex crimes Jim

694
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: Jordan ugly, which caused United States Senator Ted Cruise to

695
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: challenge Pearlman to wrestle Jordan's Pearlman responded that he'd wrestle

696
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: Cruise instead, for which Cruise called him a pussy. Um.

697
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: It's a good a good brief summary of what's happened,

698
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: which is a very funny thing, a moment of levity

699
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: in the time of darkness. Yeah, I love it. It's

700
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: awesome because also it's down from uh like it it

701
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: was he called Jim Jordan ugly, but also he's been

702
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: fighting with Matt Gates for a while online. Yeah, um,

703
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: because Matt Gates is trying to introduce a law that

704
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: makes the US soccer team have to stand up during

705
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: the national anthem he has. He's like because he's like

706
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: a real like a real boring fascist. I I can't

707
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: tell you all how happy I am, how happy I

708
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: am with the existence of Ron Perlman. Um, because he's

709
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: just like he's a he's a Democrat, and I think

710
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,479
Speaker 1: we probably would disagree on a lot of stuff politically. Um,

711
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: but I appreciate him repeatedly challenging Ted Cruz to a fight.

712
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 1: It's so amazing because like it's it's because like Ron Perlman, Okay,

713
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: it's a guy, and like tweeting some it's just how

714
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: boy calling the congressman ugly and then this other guy

715
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: shows up and he doesn't even say like leave my

716
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: friend alone. He's like, leave my friend alone. My friend

717
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: could beat you up. Challenged him to fight his buddy. Yeah,

718
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: and you don't. I don't even know if he talked

719
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: to his buddy about it, right, It's like not like

720
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: it's that's something he challenged, like, well, you got to

721
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: do a charity, so like did you discuss this ahead

722
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: of time? And it's just like as soon as as

723
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: soon as Ron comes back with actually, like why don't

724
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: I fight you instead? Ted's like you're just scared to

725
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: wrestle him. It's like, then, Ted, why aren't you responding

726
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: to the part where he said you should fight him.

727
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: It's just it's a perfect distillation of like everything is wrong,

728
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: not everything's wrong, but Likenald Donald Trump like he is

729
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: like he has destroyed the geoke and like whittle them

730
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: down into these bizarre little online fruits. They've just just

731
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: like it's they're just obsessed with posting and they can't

732
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: get enough of like they're just like asking the blue

733
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 1: checks and they're triggered and like doing their little princess

734
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: bride gifts with some Daily Wire intern and like challenging

735
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: like Debor Messing to like arm wrestle each other. It's

736
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: so weird. They've devolved into these bizarre little freaks and

737
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's also impossible. It's like like that's that.

738
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: It just it just like I feel like I'm going

739
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: mad when I see the way congressmen just talk their

740
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: US senator, their U S senators, and they're so fucking online.

741
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: It's so pathetic and weird, like like like Ted Cruz,

742
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: I have I have literally watched people on four Chan

743
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: comment like more reasonably too in similar situations than you

744
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: are right now, Like there are fourteen year olds on

745
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: the internet who are more mature than you, and you

746
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: have you have collapsed to the US economy before because

747
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: you got angry, like you have that power and your

748
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: ship posting like what is it? What is wrong with you?

749
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: I believe so much is wrong with him and them now.

750
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: It's so it's so funny and like they can't he

751
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: just can't get enough. He there was a night where

752
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: he's deleted all of these posts, but he some fucking

753
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: college student. This woman it's like twenty years old, tweeted

754
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: like Ted Cruz is wrong and ugly or something like that.

755
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: She didn't tag him, she didn't do anything. It was

756
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 1: a screenshot and Ted Cruz within a minute retweeted it

757
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: and like had all of his weird little followers like

758
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 1: pile on her and like challenge her to a debate

759
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 1: about free speech. And she ended up deleting it because

760
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: like Ted Cruise retweeted me for some weird reason, and

761
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: then he retweeted her again, being like she loosed, she

762
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: blocked me. She's a cowards. Like, no, she liked delete

763
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: her tweet. He's a senator was harassing her online. You

764
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: fucking weirdo. I'm sorry, it's there was a weird moment. God,

765
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: I think it was like a year ago now where

766
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: some other U. S senator like posted about going into

767
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: I think it was a fucking fun place and hearing

768
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: a bunch of anarchists having a conversation about how they

769
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: like the world to be, and like he said something like,

770
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: you know, this is what I would have said if

771
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: I had, you know, had an argument with him or

772
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: something like this is what I would have asked them.

773
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: I was like, number one, you had that opportunity and

774
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: you chose not to engage with them because you're a coward,

775
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: and like Ted Cruise retweeted it, and then a couple

776
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: of my friends because this happened, I think somewhere in

777
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: the Dallas area were like that was us where we

778
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: were just like chilling in a fun place, sit down.

779
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: That's like, now, fucking Ted Cruise is like trying to

780
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: dunk on us in Twitter for a Converse station. He

781
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: wasn't present for what the what the fuck? What? How

782
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: do you wrong with? What is wrong with people? Set

783
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: fucking like, Oh my god, you're posting addict so weird?

784
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: Go write a bad law that everyone will hate. And

785
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: I will make this promise right now. I have made

786
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: a lot of posts on Twitter that I I regret

787
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 1: and that we're bad takes. I I do. I would

788
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: say at least once a week I have a bad

789
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: take on Twitter. Ever, Yeah, and I'm drunk, especially now,

790
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: especially like after I get back from the riots, like

791
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: having been like repeatedly flashbanked, I get drunk and I

792
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: post stuff on Twitter and about half of its stupid

793
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: as shit. Um, if I will make this promise now,

794
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: if I ever get into Congress, I will lock my

795
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: Twitter account. I will not be a tweeting congress person.

796
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: I promise that I will hire an aid to dispense

797
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: the necessary information via Twitter that my office has to

798
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: get out. UM. I will not be ship posting while

799
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: in con Chris, I make that promise to you now,

800
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 1: well A politicians, I absolutely won't hold of this. Um Katie,

801
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: I want to take her from here. Sure, um uh.

802
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: This has been a fun little romp detour. I think

803
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: that there's some more heavy things that we should talk

804
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: about before we run this episode into the ground. Um

805
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I want to talk about, UM, some alarming

806
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: things that we've seen happening in the last week. Alarming,

807
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: to put it mildly, deaths of black people, of black men,

808
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: of black trans women. The deaths I want to speak

809
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 1: about initially, or of UM Robert Fuller and Malcolm Harsh. Wait,

810
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: let me make sure I'm saying his name properly. Yeah, Okay,

811
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: you can cut weight. I want to make sure I'm

812
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 1: saying his name properly. If you guys have not heard

813
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: about this UM over the past week in California and

814
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: near to l A. But in a suburb and Antelope Valley, uh,

815
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: which is a notoriously racist community in in California, you

816
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: know KKK members live their white supremacists and just generally

817
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: racist in white UM. Earlier this week or last week,

818
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: Robert Fuller, a twenty four year old black man, was

819
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: found hanging in a tree outside of the city Hall. UH.

820
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: And about a week prior to that, Malcolm had been

821
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: found hanging from a tree near the library. And in

822
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,399
Speaker 1: these two cities are fifty miles apart, another black man

823
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: has gone missing. UM that one may be mental health related. UM.

824
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: But this all happened very close to each other, in

825
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: a very short proximity. And in both of the hanging

826
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: UH cases, the police immediately called it a suicide, UH,

827
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: saying that there have been a spike in suicide because

828
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: of COVID nineteen UM. And they've repeated that a lot.

829
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: And this has caused a bit of an uproar, you

830
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: could say. At first though nobody was covering it. It

831
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: took days of people tweeting and and there's still is

832
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: barely any coverage. UM. And it's incredibly distressing. UH. And

833
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: we don't know, we don't know what actually happened here. UH.

834
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Speaker 1: You know, I suppose that there's a world where it

835
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: could be a suicide. It seems highly unlikely seeing as

836
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: there's no suicide. Note also Robert Fuller, the last time

837
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 1: he'd been seen alive was at a Black Lives Matter

838
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: protest like earlier that day. There's sure there's nothing shady there,

839
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: you know. Um, they say it's a suicide, but how

840
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: there's there a ladder there? No. The other thing that's

841
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: really alarm arming is that they said that there wasn't

842
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: any camera footage. Unfortunately, no camera footage, however, just people

843
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: showing up to investigate have already pointed out all the

844
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: businesses with cameras facing the square. Um, and yeah, yeah,

845
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: I guess I don't have an ultimate point other than

846
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: it's distressing and we need to be paying attention and

847
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: keeping trying to keep people accountable. You know. I I

848
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: started posting about this a lot of the weekend, and

849
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: I had somebody that I tend to respect, but we

850
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 1: differ a lot telling me that it was irresponsible. Um,

851
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 1: because you know he's he says they are investigating it. Yeah,

852
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: what do you mean investigating it? These fours that they

853
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Speaker 1: themselves are known as racist. I mean the one that

854
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: I didn't mention that I should, but it was not

855
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: a potent lynching was an unarmed black man that was

856
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: shot in his home last week by those cops on

857
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: a domestic violence call. They say that he ran for

858
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: their gun. The woman Shartner, says that three cops were

859
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: holding him down and the other one shot him. So interesting,

860
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: so the police are looking into it, Okay. Um, I

861
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: want to make a brief historical point here. I'm currently

862
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: putting together the first episodes drop this week of our

863
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 1: new Behind the Police series. UM, but I wanted to

864
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: make a point as part of Like, I haven't even

865
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: written the episodes yet, but I just did this research.

866
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: So the United States had a massive lynching problem, um,

867
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 1: like eight nineties through like around there is like kind

868
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: of the heyday of lynching in the United States. Um.

869
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: You know, lynching primarily of black men. And um. One

870
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: of the first major successes of modern US police was

871
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 1: stopping the lynching epidemic. Um. That was that was done

872
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 1: by law enforcement. Uh. And you know how they did it,

873
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: how by taking men who like lynch Mobs would form

874
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: when like somebody in town would like randomly accused a

875
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: black dude of like assaulting a white woman or some

876
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: other vague crime. Right, Like that was always the thing,

877
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: and uh, police generally just stood aside and let it

878
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: happen because kind of they were afraid that the mob

879
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: would burn down the town or burn down the police station,

880
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: if you know. They attempted to investigate this. And the

881
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: way that police stopped lynch mobs was by making it

882
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 1: very clear that whenever a black man was accused of

883
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 1: a capital crime like that, the police would take him

884
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: into custody, he would be given a show trial and

885
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: immediately executed. And so they stopped lynch mobs by executing

886
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: black people. Problem. Yeah, yeah, we formalized it like we

887
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: can't have lynch mobs because that's you know, that's yeah,

888
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: but this is a process. But this is a process.

889
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,439
Speaker 1: We had a trial where twelve white men said yes,

890
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: kill the guy, um, and then we killed him and

891
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:03,919
Speaker 1: that's better. And then yeah, it's just I guess my point.

892
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:09,959
Speaker 1: I don't want to find no I but we've seen

893
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: these massive, peaceful moving protests, we've seen police riots. Um,

894
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: we definitely know that white supremacists are out there riled

895
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: up infiltrating certain places. If you think that there isn't

896
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: some sort of pushback that's happening, or that might be

897
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: about it might be happening. I think that that's naive.

898
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: I think that what you're seeing here is a response.

899
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, we'll see. I shouldn't say that

900
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: if definitively we're going to see, but it's at the

901
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: very least it's a possibility. And at the very least,

902
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: the cops of this police department not saying, oh, look

903
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: what's happening in the world. Look at the demographics of

904
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: our community, and to immediately just brush under the rug

905
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: the possibility that this could be a hate crime is

906
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: incredibly alarming to me. And um, I think I think

907
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 1: that we should be aware of it and paying attention

908
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: and and you know, stepping up. Um, I guess that's

909
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: my it's surprising. Um, And uh, it's something I don't like.

910
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,439
Speaker 1: It's it's odd to me the reaction of like don't work,

911
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: Like you're freaking out over nothing. They said they were

912
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,919
Speaker 1: investigating it. Like, even just the past couple of weeks

913
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: should indicate that the cops are fucking liars all the time.

914
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: Every day there's literally footage of them tackling somebody and

915
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: then putting a stick in their hands so they can

916
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: claim that they were tackling because he had a stick

917
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: in his hand again, and like they are okay, great,

918
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: they're investigating. Well, let's just make sure they know that

919
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: we're watching, you know, so we're Yes, the problem with

920
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: this And I made a statement like this on on

921
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: on Twitter because I I too am addicted to posting.

922
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: But like the issue is, Um, obviously, no one's going

923
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: to trust whatever the fucking police say unless they say

924
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: this was a lynching. Um, then maybe some people arested.

925
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: But the police have no credibility. The FBI has slightly

926
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: more than no credibility in the eyes of I think

927
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: most people right now. So I don't think that's going

928
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: to help either if there's a federal investigation, just because

929
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: nobody trusts any kind of law enforcement right now. Um.

930
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: But also a big citizen investigation on Twitter is not

931
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: the way to handle this because it will be done badly, badly. Um.

932
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: But good diligent reporters, yes, need to figure this the

933
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: ship out um that that that's what needs to happen.

934
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: And UM, if I were a good diligent reporter, I

935
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: guess I would try to get to the bottom of this.

936
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: But instead I'm going to ship post on Twitter like

937
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: Ted Cruz, Well, there are people on it and and

938
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: like part of the yeah of to me, the benefit

939
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: of of Twitter people being outraged and paying attention and

940
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 1: saying we need an independent investigation, you know, a second

941
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 1: autopsy not done by you know, their guy is Okay.

942
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: So now apparently there are calls for the California Attorney

943
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: General to take up this case and look into it. Okay,

944
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: that's great, um, but just taking them at their word, Okay,

945
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 1: it's likely a COVID suicide. It's not gonna fly. It's

946
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: not gonna fly. Mm hm, nope, that's my that's my

947
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 1: my time. Yeah, I mean, especially like the last time

948
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: he saw they saw him with he's at a protest.

949
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: It's what we've talked about with like all those Ferguson

950
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: activists that have disappeared. It's why we talk about like

951
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: blur people's faces if you you know you're sharing something, right,

952
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's alarming. Wellcome to the worst year ever.

953
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: Some of us will get through it, hopefully, but that

954
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: really does remain to be seen. We need like a

955
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: really spooky, slowed down version of our song Yeah, Cody, Yeah,

956
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: come on, come on, like a like a satur or

957
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: like what was it like? Um, like a hurt cover

958
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: kind of Yeah, my year was bad today today. Today

959
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: was a bad year. Um my year was bad today,

960
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: just like every day. It's all there. Yeah, it's all there.

961
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: I I am I. I want to advance a petition

962
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 1: to end the year. Um, let's say, let's say June

963
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 1: we moved right, let's just yeah, let's just we We've

964
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 1: had enough year, like it would really would it was?

965
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,760
Speaker 1: It was. It was Ron Perlman and Ted Cruz getting

966
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: into a Twitter fight about whether or not to wrestle

967
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: that made me decide like this is where maxed out

968
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: what can be fit in a year? To move now? Counterpoint,

969
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: then you're ruining. Yeah, it's gonna suck to yeah yeah, okay,

970
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: oh yeah it's we filled this year, ever, though, like

971
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 1: we filled it up with terrible stuff and is gonna

972
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: be still bad, not as bad, but just still BADDI.

973
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: We're gonna be an upward tick. We're gonna read the

974
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: IDEs are July two, all right, so we get to

975
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: we get to the IDEs. It's the worst day ever,

976
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: But then everything after that. I think we should stop

977
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 1: making predictions because they come true and it's I mean,

978
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: I think Ted Cruz is gonna call Arnold Schwarzenegger a

979
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 1: soy boy before this is all over. God, I hope

980
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: so oh man, I hope. I hope Arnold Schwarzenegger punches

981
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: who do I want Arnold Schwarzenegger to punch with his

982
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 1: with his pet donkeys, now what I'd like I'd like

983
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: him to punch a lot of people. Yeah, that he could, shay,

984
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:10,439
Speaker 1: I could make hand feeding his pet donkeys to post

985
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 1: it like, I'm not even that's not even a joke.

986
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: That his time. But if he wants to make up

987
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: for the bad things he did as governor, he can

988
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: punch or an hatch former senator or and I will

989
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: forgive him for nineteen percent of the things he did.

990
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: You don't want him to punch miss McConnell. I do,

991
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: I do. I would forgive everything he did as governor

992
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: if he really landed one good haymaker on. I think

993
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: this might be a juvenile joke, but I just had

994
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: this image of him punching Mitch McConnell and his head

995
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: just kind of receding into that neck, you know, like

996
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: a turtle, like a turtle. Yes, yes, he's knocked on

997
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: his back and he can't roll back over. Oh that's

998
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: so good. That seems like a good place to and

999
00:57:55,720 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 1: this somebody wants to draw that image for us. If

1000
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: somebody wants to just incite a fist fight between Mitch

1001
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: McConnell and Arnold Schwarzenegger, I will also accept that um

1002
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: and then Ted cruise in the background sharing them on

1003
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: that fiction. Right. I do want to end by noting

1004
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: the worst thing I've read recently, which is an article

1005
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: with I think the title was something along the lines

1006
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: of it might take weeks or even months to know

1007
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: the result of the election. We will not know on

1008
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: election night because of all the additional mail in ballots

1009
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: and everything, and like they're making the case that like

1010
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: this actually means that you know, will be extra certain

1011
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: of the count. But like any delay in that result

1012
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: is going to be a fucking nightmare, Like election month

1013
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: is going to be fucking how we need to plan

1014
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: something big for that time frame, like leave Like what

1015
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: if I don't think that we're going to be allowed

1016
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: to go to any other countries. I think the actual

1017
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: right thing to do would be for the government to

1018
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: you a massive bail out, but with the condition that

1019
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: everyone has to leave the United States for a month,

1020
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: Like we all vote and then we go on vacation

1021
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: in other countries for a month, all three million of

1022
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: us just empty the whole country out. That would be

1023
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: the right play. There's no there's no America this this month, y' all.

1024
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: We we we just can't. America canceled. Yeah, we're we're

1025
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: taking We're taking a month off. Um. I'd get behind that,

1026
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: except that the tourists would be a real problem. Yeah,

1027
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: I mean it would be a nightmare for the rest

1028
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: of the But I do think the rest of the

1029
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 1: world needs to take one for the team, the team

1030
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: being America. Come on internationals in the long run, volunteered

1031
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: to house some of us. Yeah, show some solidarity here, Yeah,

1032
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: Christ grow up. You guys can check us out online.

1033
00:59:56,200 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: At worst, your pot on Twitter and Instagram and that's it. Yeah,

1034
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: there's a t public store with stuff in it. Yeah, Iceland,

1035
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: and let us fill up Iceland. God, I'd love Iceland. Yeah,

1036
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: fuck it. Do what else do you do in Iceland?

1037
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,959
Speaker 1: Let Americans crash on your couch. It'll be fine. They've

1038
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: only got like thirty thou people. I don't know how

1039
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: many people are in Iceland, but it's not many. It's

1040
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: not many, and they don't have that many couches. Um,

1041
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 1: we'll have to figure out the couch situation camp. Alright, guys,

1042
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 1: that's it. I think us everything, Everything I tried. Worst

1043
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,240
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