1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? Welcome back everybody to are you a Charlotte? 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: Part two? Thanks for joining us. Here we go. So 4 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: Carrie struggles mightily. She's Big through the binoculars. Big sees her. 5 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: Oh so I just feel so angry at Big through 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: this whole phase. I'm just like, Big, you're a mess 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: and you need to leave her alone. A mess, a mess, 8 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: And that poor. 9 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 2: Wife reminds me of He reminds me of Jasper in 10 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 2: the Holiday? 11 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: Which one is Jasper? 12 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 2: Jasper is the man who comes to see Kate Winslet 13 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 2: when she's on her Christmas holiday in La Right, is 14 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 2: it Jude or the other? 15 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: No? 16 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 2: No, he's a I don't know some English because it's 17 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 2: Jack Black and Jude Law. 18 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: Incredible actress. 19 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 2: And he is like, I've just missed you and let's 20 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: go on holiday and this, that and the other. And 21 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 2: then she's like, wait, are you still engaged to be married? 22 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 2: I just wish you could understand how hard this all 23 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 2: is for me. 24 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: I'm so confused. 25 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: I just watched it last weekend. 26 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: In my moment, it's very similar. 27 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 2: I watch it like four times every Chris West. Wow, 28 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 2: but my god, it's like you are with Natasha. You 29 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 2: chose Natasha, leave carry alone. And by the way, if 30 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 2: you think you made a mistake, then leave that woman 31 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 2: and apologize and. 32 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 1: Then move on. He's gonna do it, but he's gonna 33 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: do it in the worst possible, messy, messy way. 34 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 2: I just don't understand it. 35 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: It's like, say the thing and go totally. 36 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 2: The mess is so unnecessary. 37 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: I agree, but I also feel they're not They're only 38 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: as mature as they are, right, they can't, you know 39 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: what I mean. And she doesn't really get as much 40 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: excuse because he's older and whatever. But like Carrie, you know, 41 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: and this is what I love about Carrie, So the 42 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: thing that I love and I so relate to all 43 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: of it. Right, So she rushes out of the opera, 44 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: and then she tries to call Aiden and she gets 45 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: the voicemail. And you know, this is before texting. Really 46 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: we weren't really texting a lot, right, So then she 47 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: hasn't heard from him for two days, and she fully 48 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: spins out because previously they'd been like joined at the hip, right, 49 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: that's phase of the like the honeymoon of the relationship. 50 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: Weeping over every night, right, and now she's just spinning, spinning, spinning, 51 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: and you feel so bad for her, like that's about 52 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: her own you know, development, and like what she can't 53 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: quite be with right, And so then she thinks she's 54 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: She says to him like we just were too available 55 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: to each other, which I kind of get, right, like 56 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: when you're just totally with someone, kind of taking them 57 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 1: for granted. And she thinks, like, I just need a 58 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: little space. Whatever. She gets a little space, and then 59 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 1: he doesn't ed to the phone, and she's like, oh, 60 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: what did I do? I totally totally relate. Okay, wait 61 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: and then wait. In the very end, she goes to 62 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: see him with his adorable little parents. Cute. They're so cute, 63 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: which is so rare. We never see parents in our 64 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: show never ever ever. 65 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: You know what I like about that moment She goes 66 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 2: and instead of going in, yeah, the knock on the window, 67 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,399 Speaker 2: and she gives. 68 00:02:59,240 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: Him a choice. 69 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 2: She gives him the choice, and she's really vulnerable. She 70 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: runs him through her whole spin. She doesn't try to 71 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 2: hide it now, she doesn't play it cool. Yes, she's 72 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 2: like I thought this, and then I thought this, and 73 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 2: then I thought this, and then I got scared and 74 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 2: then I wasn't sure, and so now I'm here, and 75 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: if you don't want me to be here, I'll leave. 76 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: Yes, it's amazing, it's it is. 77 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 2: Actually, you're right. She's learning a lesson in real time 78 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 2: and being honest about the lesson. Right. And when she 79 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 2: says I flipped my stomach all by myself. 80 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: That's so good. That's so good, big lesson, so so good, 81 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: so so good. So here, let's go to Charlotte for 82 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: a second, because Charlotte, Oh, Charlotte, Charlotte, Charlotte. She is 83 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: a funny girl sometimes, you know, I look back at 84 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: her and I'm just like, wow, I remember it, but 85 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: I don't remember all of it. 86 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: JD. 87 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: I mean like, I didn't I remember meeting Kyle Trey 88 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: and I didn't remember that. 89 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: I go to the bar where the Dennis is there. 90 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: Yes, I think Phil, the single guy's gonna be there, 91 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: but the married guy's going to be there, and I'm like, what, Yeah, 92 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: it's so funny to me. 93 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 2: And by the way, it's he's him and big same yeah, 94 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 2: and it is that thing. And it was so funny 95 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 2: because as soon as you went to dinner with them. 96 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, it's Dennis because I 97 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 2: remember the storyline, and I remember thinking how crazy it was, 98 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 2: you know, watching the show in college, because it was 99 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 2: it was that like fall of two thousand that Brenna 100 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 2: and I lived on the fifth floor together and we 101 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 2: started watching the show and caught up, and then we'd 102 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 2: watch it every weekend when the episodes were there, and 103 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 2: I remember being like, that's insane, no one would ever 104 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 2: do that, and then in my thirties being like, oh, 105 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 2: that's happened. I've seen this happen. I've had it happen. 106 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 2: My friends have had this happen. Like men are insane, 107 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 2: It's true, and oh my god, like what is wrong 108 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 2: with you guys? And so there was something so crazy 109 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 2: about watching the episode ahead of this and going or 110 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,679 Speaker 2: it's join us. And then as an actor, I watched 111 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 2: every little choice he made and I was like, there 112 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 2: it is, there it is. It's like the sixth sense 113 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: when you know you go back and watch the movie 114 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 2: and you see it everywhere, and I knew, and I 115 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: was like then in my head, I was like, what 116 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 2: does she do? 117 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: Does she hit him with her purse? I feel like 118 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: it's a scene push him or do I slap him? 119 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: What do I slap him? I meant, which is so crazy? 120 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 2: I love it. 121 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: I generally, as an actor, I hate to slap people 122 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: because I feel like I know how to do it. 123 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: I went to you know, acting school. But I feel like, 124 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 1: in life, how often do you slap or be slapped? 125 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: It's very rare. 126 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 2: I've slapped one person. 127 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: I don't think in life I've ever slapt anyone that 128 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: I can think of right now, certainly not since I've 129 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: been sober. Yeah, people write it into film and TV 130 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: to a fair amount, and I'm always like, oh, does 131 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: it need to be that with this thought was great 132 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: because also she she's Charlotte, right, she doesn't see this coming, 133 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: no one little bit, And it feels like. 134 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 2: You really like tried to slap some sense into it, right, 135 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 2: literal phrase right Like. 136 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: I liked the way I did it because it was like, 137 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 1: you're just stop out of it. It was a snap 138 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: out of it share type moment, yes, right, which is ye. 139 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: She says that might be the best lap ever. Anyway, 140 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: Then this was the great part because all I remember 141 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: about this was that my goal was to get to 142 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: falling in the street. I picked that lipstick skirt. I 143 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: was on the plane home to LA. I was looking 144 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: through the magazines like we used to do, you know, 145 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: the paper magazines. And I saw the product ad with 146 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 1: the product lipstick skirt, and I called Pat. You know, 147 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: the plane hadn't taken off. Called Pat and I was like, Pat, 148 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: I need to get this Proda lipstick skirt. She goes, oh, like, 149 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: I don't think we can get it. You know, if 150 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: you ever meet has a very deep voice, you know, 151 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: I was like, ah, I can't even really do it. Justice. 152 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: She says, we have to have five of them because 153 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,799 Speaker 1: whenever you're going to fall into a street that's wet, 154 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: because they have to wet everything down right, you don't 155 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: know what's going to happen. So she's like, we have 156 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: to find five of them. I don't know if we can. 157 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 1: I said, I'll go look because at that point I 158 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: was already my protoholic self, and I had a discount 159 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: at Product. No, yes, I still have it. Not the 160 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: wood okay, not the wood man. Oh, I know it's good, 161 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: so good, it's so good. And so I went I 162 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: think I might have gone in LA and New York. 163 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: And then they had to call around and try to 164 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: find them, like through Europe and down to the wire. 165 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: We didn't know if we'd have enough. Noah, can I 166 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: tell you something amazing? Yes, I have one. Yes, we 167 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: should wear them together. Oh I have it. You have 168 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: the lipstick? Yes, amazing. 169 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 2: It was a thrilling acquisition for my little vintage collection. 170 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: Great job and you it's like safe, gorgeous good. Yeah, 171 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: because you can never find them. No. 172 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 2: I feel so lucky to have it. It's such an 173 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 2: iconic piece. And when we when we were solidifying today's date, 174 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: I was. 175 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: Like, no, I'm already in LA and it's at home 176 00:07:59,440 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: in New York. 177 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 2: I was so sad about it. 178 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: That's okay, we we know we each other had a 179 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: wonderful thing. I remember at the wrap party of this season, 180 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: because we'd had five and I made sure to get 181 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: one right. One of Pat's friends came up and said, 182 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: I'm so excited I got a lipstick shirt. And I'm 183 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: like what. It was so mad. It's like, wait, whatw I. 184 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 2: Know? 185 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: But I'm sure she's enjoying it. Anyway. When I fell 186 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: in the street, we only needed one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 187 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: nothing ripped, nothing tore. It was all fine. That bag 188 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: I have a little Prada like bowling bag. I feel 189 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: like they called it is black and white that was 190 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: borrowed from Prada. The shirt I believe I have, it's 191 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: like just a very basic I think the one I'm 192 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: wearing there is just a very basic, like three quarter 193 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: leafs length thing. I think I still have this sleeve length. 194 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: I think I still have that too. But I fall 195 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,719 Speaker 1: an adorable, adorable Cale is. 196 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 2: There to help me up every night and sh. 197 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: I know, and just so handsome. But it's also so 198 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: funny because we're very the way they filmed it, I'm 199 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: sure it was five am. I love like that we 200 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: shot on Super sixteen, so like when the street lights 201 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,719 Speaker 1: go like wacky, that's why, right, because it's like old film, you. 202 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 2: Know, beautiful. You get the haze and the pinwheel. 203 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: Exactly so beautiful, and they the way they pan around, 204 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: I mean, and he just could not have been more perfect, obviously, 205 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: like a dream come true, a dream come true. And 206 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: then I've said this many times. I'm just say this 207 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: in case someone hasn't listened. The idea was that he 208 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: was only going to do five episodes. No, yes, the 209 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: idea is that he was only going to do five 210 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: know that, yes, and that he Trey was going to 211 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: be very, very boring, and that all the friends would 212 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: be like, oh God, you know who's going to talk 213 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: to Trey, But he was Kyle and he couldn't. It 214 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: was isn't that just he's so yummy beyond and so 215 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: interesting and he does things with such a very subtle twist. 216 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: And they knew that he was going to have a 217 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: mess up relationship with his mom and that there was 218 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: going to be some problems in the bedroom. But also 219 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 1: he was supposed to also be boring in regular life, 220 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: but he just couldn't pull that part off because he 221 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: was him and I was just like, this guy can't leave, 222 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And everyone else felt the 223 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: same way. So he stayed, thank goodness, and we did 224 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: many different things. But obviously he had to go eventually, 225 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 1: which was said but needed to happen so that Harry 226 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: could come and so that Charlotte could learn yes, yes, yes, 227 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: indeed no yes. 228 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 2: Well to allow you to build the life you think 229 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 2: you want and realize it's not for you, that's a 230 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 2: profound lesson. Yeah, And having been through that now as 231 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 2: an adult, I wish, I wish the gravity of it 232 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 2: had hit me sooner as a viewer. 233 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I also feel like you don't. 234 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 2: You can't. 235 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: You can watch something and feel like, oh, that's amazing 236 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: and so right on, but until you go through it. 237 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: If you need to go through that, there's nothing. There's 238 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: no substitute you really you. 239 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 2: Can't learn a lesson until you learn it. And the 240 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 2: thing that I think I've realized, and it feels very 241 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 2: true for your story as Charlotte, is no matter what 242 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 2: fear you feel, you can usually explain something away or 243 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 2: work on it or whatever. You can't know that you're 244 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 2: in a cul de sact until you drive to the 245 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 2: end of the street and realize you can't get out 246 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 2: unless you turn around. 247 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: That's true for sure. 248 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think there are there are moments where 249 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 2: winding up on a cul de sac in your life 250 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 2: is really meant to teach you something. And I think 251 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 2: Charlotte had that. I know I had that. I definitely 252 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 2: I can see that character journey for women I've played 253 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 2: on screen as well. And I yeah, I think it 254 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 2: rings so true for so many people because so many 255 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 2: of us have versions of it. Are I agree? 256 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's well put and I think It's 257 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: interesting because you don't necessarily know that you don't want 258 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: to be on that cul de sac till you're fully, 259 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: fully on it, right, Because some people want to be 260 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: on a call de sac. Yeah, you know, some people 261 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: wants to get there. It's harder than they might have thought. 262 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: But they do think all the things like I need 263 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: to work on myself, I need to whatever it is right, 264 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: and that if that is the thing that they really 265 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: really want, then they do need to figure out a 266 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: way to make that work out, I guess. But then 267 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,719 Speaker 1: also sometimes that is not what you really want. And 268 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: that's the key I think to be most in tuned 269 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: with yourself, truly deeply about that, you know, which is 270 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: not easy. I don't think that's easy. It's and I 271 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: also think the conditioning, it's very hard to separate your 272 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: internal desires from your conditioning because you've been conditioned since 273 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: the day you were born. 274 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 2: Well, and you think that's what you want. Yeah, you 275 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 2: don't need the difference, say this is my desire, this 276 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 2: is my goal. It's I don't think you know it 277 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 2: isn't or that perhaps it's the right goal in the 278 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 2: wrong iteration or whatever. Until you're in it and the 279 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 2: thing that's supposed to make you feel full feels hollow, 280 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 2: and you go, oh. 281 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 1: No, Well that's the key, right, that's the key is 282 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: when you're actually in it. How do you feel? How 283 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: do you feel? Do you feel miserable? Do you feel hollow? 284 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: Do you feel like any of those bad things? Because 285 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: there's really no amount of work you can do on 286 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: yourself that's going to fix feeling hollow. 287 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 2: No, there's no amount of work you can do on 288 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 2: yourself that's going to ease the eggshells you walk on 289 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 2: in the wrong house. 290 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: Well, egg shehlls. That's a different situation. Eggshells sucks so bad. Yes, no, 291 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: egg shells very bad. Run any women who are listening 292 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: to this run away from any eggshell feeling boo A 293 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: million times of boo on egg shells. Right, eggshells is 294 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: different for sure than hollow. I think right, like hollow 295 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: and hollow. If I were in a situation and I 296 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: felt hollow, which is rare, I would I don't even 297 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: know if I would even get myself into a situation 298 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: that I felt hollow in it, But if I did, 299 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: I would have to ask myself, am I blocking off? 300 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: Am I? So? Is this threatening me somehow where I'm 301 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: having to shut off my feelings because I have so 302 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: many big feelings at all times. If I really felt nothing, 303 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: I would have to examine that, right, Like why am 304 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: I actually feeling nothing? You know what I'm saying? That 305 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: would be an odd thing and worth examining. But if 306 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: I did examine it, and I realized, oh, that's because 307 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: this is a like if Charlotte had stayed with Trey 308 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: maybe and I have to I haven't rewatched yet. When 309 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: Kyle was here, we talked about some of the things 310 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: that happened, like the Cardboard Baby and things I only 311 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: vaguely remember it right, like it was a lot. It 312 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: was a lot of plot that I hadn't experienced in 313 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: life yet, and my friends hadn't really gone through either, 314 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: like the IVF for all of that later later on, 315 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: many people I know did that, but and it's a 316 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: whole thing, and I don't know that I did it justice. 317 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: I'm really anxious to rewatch. But also he talked about 318 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: something when we weren't sure, and I think the writers 319 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: were trying to carve out what was actually going to happen. 320 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: And I know he was so great to work with 321 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: and we were so connected that I was felt very connected. 322 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: I never felt hollow, but I do remember that there 323 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: was that time, and I also knew he had to 324 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: go right, which was sad. But like that time when 325 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: you just know that you and the other person don't 326 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: want the same thing, and then no amount of love 327 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: is going to fix that, or attraction or whatever it 328 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: might be, right, no amount of perfectness is going to 329 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: make you want the same thing. Yeah, And if you 330 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: don't want the same thing, you can't stay with that person, yes, 331 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: because you will be giving up what you want in theory, right, 332 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: and that's not something that you should do. No. 333 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 2: There's a difference between compromising and compromising yourself, absolutely, And 334 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 2: I think the conditioning comes in, especially for women, because 335 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 2: we are often conditioned to compromise to the point of compromise. 336 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: It's true because no one says to us, don't do it. 337 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, And when you realize it's shifted from healthy compromise, 338 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 2: right too, I'm compromising, right. 339 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: You think, like, do I recognize myself? I mean, I 340 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: have been in those situations where you know someone's asking 341 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: me to do something or to give up something or whatever, 342 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: and I have to say, like, wait, I worked my 343 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: whole life to create this and you want me to 344 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: quit doing it? Really Like I was in a relationship 345 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: where my significant other wanted me to quit acting, and 346 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: I was so burnt at the time. It was after 347 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: the show and just burnt out, so tired, so tired, 348 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: where I was like, well maybe, you know, I had 349 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: that tired thought of like maybe I could give it 350 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: up and live this adventurous life with this person. And 351 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: then later on I thought what it was. I thinking, yeah, 352 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: I would miss it so badly if I actually give 353 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: it up. Also, you can't really give it up and 354 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: go back. It's not that kind of job, do you 355 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? Yeah, Like that's it. If you 356 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: walk away, you walk away. And then I did also 357 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: think that when when adopted my first child and I 358 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: ran into Julian Moore. This is another example of like 359 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: the things I love about our business. Yeah, Randa is 360 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: Julian Moore, and she said, how is it, you know, 361 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: how's it going? And I said, oh, it's so great, 362 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 1: it's so great. I feel so bad being gone. And 363 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: she said, you know that's okay, They're gonna be fine. 364 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: You have to tell yourself they're going to be fine. 365 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: You're only gone for a tiny second in their mind, right, 366 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: You're going to be back. And I said, I just 367 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: feel like maybe I should take a break from acting. 368 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: She said, don't do it. I said, don't do it. 369 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: And she had two children at that point. She said, 370 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: do not do it. I have friends who have done it. 371 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: They can never get back in. 372 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 3: It's like, oh, thank you, Julianne, thank you Julie, Because 373 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 3: like you have those moments where you're just like tired 374 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 3: or tired, an you do need time to recuperate. 375 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: And I think that's different though than going like me, 376 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: I'm kind of an all or nothing right where I'm like, 377 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: I'm so tired, maybe I don't want to do it anymore. 378 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: But that's just how tired you are, right, That's how 379 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: tired you are. 380 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 2: And then you go like what was I thinking? 381 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: Right? Because also sometimes the well gets dry. 382 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, if your tank is empty, you can't give give. 383 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's nothing to draw on or whatever. You have 384 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: to refill the tank. But that's different than quitting. Yes, 385 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: very different, Yes, very different. 386 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 2: You can convince yourself like, oh I might just be 387 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 2: permanently empty. 388 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: You're not right, But that's also like a just you're 389 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: just so tired you can't you know, function or whatever. 390 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: You know. Let's talk about Samantha for a second, because 391 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 1: this interested me. This storyline. I didn't remember the storyline. 392 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: She basically is with this very hot athletic dude who's 393 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: taking my aggro and he gives her some and then 394 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: she has this incredible orgasm. And I remember a moment 395 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: in time where they talked about giving viagra to women 396 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: for you know, pleasure, right, And I don't know what 397 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: happened with it, do you I sure? 398 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 2: Do you do? 399 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: I do? Let's hear it. 400 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 2: So this is actually really interesting. Okay, My one of 401 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 2: my girlfriends, Cindy Eckert, is an amazing entrepreneur, and she 402 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 2: created Addie, which is the female viagra. 403 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: Wow. 404 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 2: And when they were working on, you know, advocating for 405 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 2: this for research dollars for you know, the FDA to 406 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 2: actually address the medication. 407 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: As we know, there's almost no research dollars given to 408 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: women's issues. 409 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 2: Yes, women were not even included in a clinical trial 410 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 2: until nineteen ninety three. Wow, which is insane considering we 411 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 2: are fifty one percent of the population and we also 412 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 2: deserve healthcare. Yes, less than three percent of all healthcare 413 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 2: dollars go to women, So I mean, it's really it's 414 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 2: so of health like research dollars. I should say, someone's 415 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 2: gonna yell at me for speaking incorrectly off the cuff. 416 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 2: But the fascinating thing I learned from Cindy is that, 417 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 2: you know, her team learned that viagra had been given 418 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 2: emergency clearance by the FDA. It was said to be such. 419 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: An important medication, oh my. 420 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 2: Gosh, so important to humanity that it went through FDA 421 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 2: clearance in six months. And she said, well, if you 422 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 2: gave it to the men, give it to the women. 423 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 2: And I won't say who, because I likewise respect other 424 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 2: people's stories. But an elected official like on Capitol Hill 425 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 2: looked her in the eye and said, what do we 426 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 2: want a bunch of horny women when around for ew 427 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 2: And Cindy, to her credit she's a baller, looked at 428 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 2: this guy and said, well, do you want your wife 429 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 2: to want to have sex with you or not? Yes, 430 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 2: she's amazing, amazing, and yeah, she has been doing all 431 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 2: this incredible advocacy for women's health, women's sexual health, all 432 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 2: of it. And I think it's so interesting that you know, 433 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 2: the idea that men might not be able to have 434 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 2: sex at any moment they want to. It was an emergency, 435 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 2: but women deserving health care for their sexual and reproductive 436 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 2: function is still very brown, paper bag bottom Shelf inane conversation, 437 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 2: and so she has a doc called the Pink Pill 438 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 2: that's coming out, and she's just like out here doing 439 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 2: this work. And so through our friendship, I've really I've 440 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 2: just learned so much about it. And so I was 441 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 2: watching this episode going, oh my god, I know, sweet, 442 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 2: can you get it? You can? 443 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: Oh, wow, that's great, that's great. 444 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 2: But it was essentially the medication was bought by a 445 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 2: you know, larger company, and then Shelf and Cindy fought 446 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 2: to get it back. WHOA, Yeah, she's amazing. 447 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: That is amazing. I want to see her job. 448 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 2: But it was such a cool thing to watch the 449 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 2: episode thinking like, oh my god, I wish that there 450 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 2: had been anything for women at the time, and I 451 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 2: sort of love that, you know, Samantha's storyline and Kim 452 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 2: being such a great committed actress, she really leaned in 453 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 2: on it and to play the desperation of you can't 454 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 2: take this away from me, because he's making this better 455 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 2: for me. She did it so comedically, but knowing what 456 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 2: I know thanks to Cindy, I was like, Oh, there's 457 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 2: a whole other layer to this and Darren Starr doing 458 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 2: such a genius thing in the writing of this episode, 459 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 2: connecting that like gorgeous high note at the opera, like 460 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 2: going straight into Samantha orgasm. I literally put in my notes, 461 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 2: I go opera to orgasm is a ten out of 462 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 2: ten for. 463 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: It was good. It was really good, such a good hole. Yeah, 464 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: it was beautiful. It was beautiful. It did make me 465 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: wonder because I've been remember it being discussed like in 466 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: the news, I feel like, and then it just kind 467 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 1: of went away, which is interesting, right, we didn't talk 468 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: about Miranda and Steve, like try to talk about Miranda 469 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: and Steve before time. I know they're incredible, they're incredible, 470 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: but but literally, but I vaguely remember the storyline because 471 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: I was kind of horrified. 472 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 2: I was am was just like, oh God, I. 473 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: Know we're talking you guys about the skid marks. Okay, 474 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 1: everyone's gonna know who's seen it. I know. And the 475 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: thing that's interesting about it, and I love the writing again, 476 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: is that basically Miranda, who has been struggling with you know, 477 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 1: kind of Steve's committedness and availability and all of the 478 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 1: things that's also reflected in the Aiden Carry relationship. So 479 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: she there, he is at home, and you know, she's 480 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: telling all the rest of us that he's predictable and safe, 481 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: but she loves them about him, which is like, wow, right, 482 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: big growth exactly, and that her favorite thing to do 483 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: on Saturday night is to do is laundry, and we're like, 484 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 1: whoa gosh, Miranda. And then she's there. They're eating lasagna 485 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: and having sex and watching TV and everything's great. And 486 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: then she's doing the laundry and she comes across skid 487 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 1: marks in his underwear, which is you know, just like, uh, 488 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: you know, it's a lot, it's a lot. It's a lot. Yeah, 489 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: and he it is. To me, it's kind of and 490 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of experience with this, but 491 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: it's a little bit like, you know, the kid element 492 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: of Steve. The episode where he's watching Scooby Doo it's coming, 493 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: you know, like there's a theme going on where she 494 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 1: he wants to have a baby, and she's like, I 495 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: already have a baby, and I think she's Carrie says 496 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: that in voice over Marianda. Really she already had a baby, 497 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 1: already had a baby. I think this is a little 498 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 1: bit like that too. Also, and also like my thought was, 499 00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 1: why isn't he doing the laundry? 500 00:24:59,640 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 2: Yes? 501 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. 502 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 2: Well, it is that it's an elemental thing that it 503 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 2: seems the writers want to weave in, which is is 504 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 2: this man a little juvenile? 505 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: Yes? 506 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 2: And it's reflective of that larger thing, which we know 507 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 2: that so many women feel like they become their husband's mothers, right, 508 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 2: you know. I read this whole read on Threads on 509 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,479 Speaker 2: the day before Thanksgiving, and this woman was like, I asked, 510 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 2: I asked. My husband asked me if he could help. 511 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 2: I said, yes, please handle all the you know or dervs, 512 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 2: like the morning snacks. And he said, what if I 513 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 2: drive you to the store. Can you go in and 514 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 2: get them? I don't know what to get. And she 515 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 2: was like driving me to the store isn't helpful. Also, 516 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 2: it's taking like I need to be here prepping. I'm 517 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 2: not doing nothing. I'm prepping all of the food. You 518 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 2: offered to help, just go get something and he couldn't 519 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 2: do it, And she was like, I've done this for 520 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 2: thirteen years. And it's kind of my fault. And I'm 521 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 2: also fed up. And it was really interesting to watch 522 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 2: all the women in the discussion, and I thought about 523 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 2: it watching these scenes because she does love him and 524 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 2: he is absolutely fine reverting to letting the woman do 525 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 2: everything for him, and it is that kind of generational 526 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 2: learning pressure. Girls get one set and boys get another. 527 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: Well, look, I've got a seven year old boy right 528 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: and he'll say. I'll say, like, can you do X, 529 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: Y or Z? And he'll go, I'm kicking my ball 530 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: right now. 531 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 2: And You're like. 532 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: And I'm like, yes, yes, I see that you're kicking 533 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: your ball right now. I mean, like, what I'm trying 534 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: to say is you're, as a mom my feeling at 535 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: this point in time at least, is that you're trying 536 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: to create something that doesn't exist in them. Yes, which 537 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 1: is interesting. I don't know enough about the science of 538 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 1: their brain and where their brain is right now to 539 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: know why it doesn't exist in them, because it would 540 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 1: be sure. I have an older daughter, right but if 541 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: I would have said to her, you know, can you 542 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: set the table? I kind of think she would have 543 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: said yes and just done it, do you know what 544 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: I mean? So it's interesting, and then you're in the 545 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: mom position of going, Okay, intellectually, I know that I 546 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: need to calmly reinforce that he needs to participate in helping, 547 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 1: but also it is easier for me to actually do it. Yes, 548 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: but that is then the way this all continues. Right. 549 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: But it's a very fascinating thing. And I think about 550 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: it a lot as being a mom, because you feel 551 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: the responsibility. Okay, I've got to try to raise like 552 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 1: an empathetic functioning you know, kid slash young man who's 553 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: going to be doing these things and not be expecting 554 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: the woman in his life to do them. Yeah, but 555 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: it's hard. 556 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 3: It's so hard. 557 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: I don't know why, but it really is. 558 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 2: And I think it's a great thing that they did, 559 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 2: that your writers did exploring this stuff with this relationship 560 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 2: because they're asking this ex essential questions so much. And 561 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 2: you know, Miranda is talking about what it's like to 562 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 2: have this healthy intimacy that she loves, and also when 563 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 2: when does intimacy go so far that it cancels the 564 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 2: intimacy out absolutely? On their walk and talk, yeah, you 565 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 2: know those great scenes, she's like, Oh, I think I 566 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 2: think the intimacy is over now right right right, you 567 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 2: know they're in it right, And I love the conversation 568 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 2: between Miranda and Carrie on that side. 569 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: They're always so great, so great. I know, they're so great. 570 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: I would love to cut all of those walking talks 571 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: between Miranda and carry together from the beginning till the end. 572 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: I mean, if we are really done. I don't know, 573 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: but they're always so amazing, and I would have to 574 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: throw in one that's not a walk and talk, which 575 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: is this argument they get into and just like that 576 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: after my birthday party, which is one of my most 577 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: favorite scenes ever. But I need to ask you about something, 578 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: and I don't know if I should or not, but 579 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: I kind of want you because you have a unique 580 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: life experience where you can speak to a Miranda issue 581 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: that I would love to know your thoughts on. You 582 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: have talked about this, so I feel like it's okay, 583 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: but you can tell me if it's not. So you 584 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: to all the exterior world, were in a heterosexual relationship 585 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: and then suddenly you were not in that relationship anymore, 586 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: and you were in a lesbian relationship. And this can happen, correct, 587 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: So you know, Miranda, this happens to Miranda right, And 588 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: it also happened to Cynthia, right, which they're different, they're different, 589 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: they're not the same. But when it happened to Cynthia 590 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: and she kind of got outed, which we don't even 591 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: need to get into because it's old history. But one 592 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: time I went on Letterman and I was supposed to 593 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: just be promoting the show. I think now one thing 594 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: led to another, and he wanted to talk about how 595 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: could Cynthia just wake up one day and be gay? Wow? 596 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 2: Yes, so do I think because it's a man's worst nightmare. 597 00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 2: I think that's exactly right. 598 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: I was like, are you worried? Day? What's the issue 599 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: going on? 600 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 2: Who cares? 601 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Right? It is interesting the 602 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: floating fears that people have and then project onto people, 603 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: and many, many, many of our fans believe that Miranda, 604 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: that that is not what Miranda would have done, or 605 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: that that is that we were somehow being untrue to 606 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: the character. We don't feel this way. I know Cynthia 607 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: doesn't feel this way. I know Michael Patrick, who wrote 608 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: it doesn't feel this way. What I'm saying, yes, but 609 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: I just thought, since you're here, yeah, we love it, 610 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: saying well, you know, I. 611 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 2: Think it's really interesting, and particularly because it was it 612 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 2: was Cynthia's story and then Miranda winds up falling for 613 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 2: this non binary person. I think in my brain I 614 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 2: always wondered when that shift happened. I was like, Oh, 615 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 2: I wonder if they're specifically choosing this, either because everyone 616 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 2: loved Sarah so much or because they don't want it 617 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 2: to feel like they're copycatting Cynthia's real life. You know, 618 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 2: like that's interesting, you know, there's there's there's something I 619 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 2: don't know the answer. Yeah, and and by the way, 620 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 2: we don't have to. It's like not always for us. 621 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 2: I think what's really important. And I always say this 622 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 2: to people. When someone's like, oh my god, I'm Brook 623 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 2: Davis's biggest fan, I'm like, no, I'm Brook Davis's biggest, 624 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 2: your second biggest. You know, when when people are like, 625 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 2: Miranda wouldn't have done that, I'm like, I'm gonna I'm 626 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 2: gonna trust Cynthia and Michael's opinions about what Miranda would 627 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 2: or wouldn't do above anyone else's. I think what's really interesting, 628 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 2: And at least for me, it was a there was 629 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 2: a dissolution of you know, the the thing that I 630 00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 2: worked so hard for and that I was so intentional about. 631 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 2: I actually think intentional to the point that I made 632 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 2: it something instead of necessarily taking stock of what was. 633 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 2: In hindsight, I'm like, wow, I really produced that so beautifully. 634 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 2: It was a really. 635 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: Incredible almost like in a Charlotte like you were going 636 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: to make that happen. 637 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 2: Yes, it was less for me about gender truly. Like 638 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 2: one of my best girlfriends was the one who was like, 639 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 2: he's not your guy, and I don't think a guy 640 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 2: is your guy. And I had always been like, whoever 641 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 2: is my person is my person, you know. But it 642 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 2: was really interesting to have someone who knows me so 643 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 2: well suggest something so specific. As it sort of started 644 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 2: to dawn on me, was Oh, I've been trying to 645 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 2: build safety, and I've been trying to build a life, 646 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 2: and I've been trying to build build build, build, make 647 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 2: make make And before I knew it, I was like, oh, 648 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 2: I just have intimacy here. I just I have someone 649 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 2: who sees me and asks me how I'm doing. I 650 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 2: didn't have that. 651 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: Before, right, So it wasn't necessarily this is so key 652 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: and interesting and this is what I do think. Yeah, 653 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,479 Speaker 1: I do think Cynthia has said publicly already about her 654 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: situation it wasn't about the gender necessarily was about the person. Yes, 655 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: and I think that's a very important thing to say. 656 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: But I do think that one thing that happens for 657 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: people in life is that you get an idea of 658 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: who you are and then you have walls up. Well 659 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: I can't be that person. 660 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and I think for me too. You know, 661 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 2: it's interesting the double standard for queer people in the spectrum, right, 662 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 2: Like men that are bisexual are told they're obviously just 663 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 2: gay and they have figured it out. Yes, women are 664 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 2: bisexual are immediately told like, oh, girls, experiment, that is 665 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 2: what it is, right. And so I think when if 666 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 2: you think you're if you think, or you feel or 667 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 2: you know that you're bisexual, and then you're told that 668 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 2: that's not really a thing unless you're like absolutely gay, 669 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 2: you go, well, I don't think I am, So maybe 670 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 2: I'm not really at all. Maybe maybe I'm like an 671 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 2: eighty twenty, maybe I'm whatever right your percentages are. And 672 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 2: then for me, I think a real thing was all 673 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 2: of a sudden, I was like, how could this be 674 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 2: like hitting me? It was like magical and really complicated, 675 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:42,359 Speaker 2: you know, and and became hard I think for other 676 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 2: people's perceptions. Whatever. 677 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: Well, listen, this is also what I'm talking about with Miranda. 678 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,760 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, people project under Miranda and project still very intense. 679 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: It obsessed people. 680 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, but when it dawned on me, it was like 681 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,839 Speaker 2: a light switch went on and I was like, oh, well, 682 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 2: ever unsee that this is the most at ease I've 683 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 2: ever been around a person. 684 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:05,959 Speaker 1: And isn't that what we all want? 685 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 2: And it's so gorgeous and I feel so grateful and 686 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,439 Speaker 2: she absolutely saved my life. 687 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 1: Hmmm. Part of the reason I ask you is that 688 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: I do think each of us have such an unusual, 689 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: unique experience if we're open to it, right. And what 690 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: upsets me when people talk to me or get on 691 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: my Instagram and talk to me about Miranda. I don't 692 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: know why we have to keep things so closed. 693 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,280 Speaker 2: It's so odd, right, And there's also this very weird 694 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 2: thing and this this bothered me about the discourse of 695 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 2: your second chapter of your show is people were like, oh, 696 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 2: they're doing too much. Oh, Like, Miranda's not just gonna 697 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 2: leave Steve, She's just gonna leave Steve for a non 698 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 2: binary person. Oh, like, you know, of course the teacher 699 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 2: is this person, and of course the realig or is it, 700 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,360 Speaker 2: And it's like shut again, shut the fuck up, like 701 00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 2: just get over yourselves. The world is different, people are different, 702 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 2: people have more awareness of each other, more overlap with 703 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 2: each other. Certainly in a city like New York. You 704 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 2: think this power lawyer isn't going to meet queer people 705 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,280 Speaker 2: in New York City, definite. 706 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: First, but also the other thing that cracks me up 707 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 1: is that our DNA is to do too much. That's 708 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 1: what we did with the first show, do you know 709 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Love that it just evolved, right, and 710 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 1: we couldn't do the same show because that wouldn't make sense, right, 711 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 1: So we had to But then everyone was like, oh, 712 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,720 Speaker 1: but in the beginning of Sex and the City, everyone 713 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 1: was also like. 714 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,240 Speaker 2: You know, so, I mean, people couldn't believe. 715 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: Exactly, and everyone forgets that, right. So it will be 716 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,320 Speaker 1: interesting to see over time what people if the discourse changes. 717 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 1: I have no idea. Obviously the discourse has moved on 718 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 1: because it goes very quickly, you know what I mean. 719 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 1: But thank you for answering that, because it was a 720 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 1: really beautiful answer, and I feel also and I mean, 721 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: Miranda's not a real person. It's also important to remember that. 722 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: But I think that what we wanted to show was 723 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 1: that you just don't know. 724 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,479 Speaker 2: You don't know. No, you never know what's coming. Yeah, 725 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 2: you never know what you never know what you're going 726 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 2: to learn, you never know how you're going to expand. 727 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,800 Speaker 2: And I think the most important thing for me, having 728 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 2: been through my own version of it, is that as 729 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:25,280 Speaker 2: hard as it was to say we've made a mistake, 730 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 2: it's harder to stay in a life that stifles your growth, 731 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 2: that stifles your expansion, that that steps on your joy. 732 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,439 Speaker 2: It's harder to live in a house where you walk 733 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 2: on eggshells every day. It's just not worth it. And 734 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 2: so what I think is actually really important, and for 735 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 2: whether it's for a character like her or you know, 736 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 2: for those of us who like for better or worse, 737 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 2: have lives. You know, in the in the public sector, 738 00:37:55,120 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 2: you you get to not only be courageous, but you 739 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 2: might get to be courageous in public and help someone 740 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 2: else be courageous too. 741 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: I agree, because I think it's it's just important to 742 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: remember that the world is large and you don't need 743 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 1: to limit yourself. No, no, and I think for all 744 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: the young people, you know, that's important to hear as well. 745 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,400 Speaker 1: You don't know what that means exactly, but just stay open. 746 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 1: Staying open so key, which brings me to my last question. 747 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 2: Are you a Charlotte? I mean, oh my gosh, I 748 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 2: didn't used to think so. And let me tell you what. 749 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,800 Speaker 2: Watching this episode, I was like, I didn't buy a book, 750 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 2: but I definitely like, I made a plan. 751 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 1: You produced it, as you say, you know, yeah, we 752 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 1: really like. 753 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 2: And you know, in the kindest way possible. I think 754 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 2: you can get lost in that, yeah, you know, and 755 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,919 Speaker 2: I think you know we did. 756 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean definitely. I think that you're obviously a 757 00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 1: very you know, you're smart, and you're functioning, and you 758 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 1: were together. So when you want something, you're going to 759 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: pursue it, right, which is how Charlotte, you know, and 760 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:06,800 Speaker 1: the way I don't know if you remember that Charlotte 761 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 1: proposes to herself and then she's all upset. You know, 762 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 1: she basically makes him propose. She very much intentionally, yes, 763 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,239 Speaker 1: she intentionally makes it all happen, and then all of 764 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 1: a sudden she's like, oh no, it's not really what 765 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,839 Speaker 1: I thought. But this is a great lesson to learn 766 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 1: and I love it. And I think so when you 767 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 1: said that you wouldn't have previously said that you were 768 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,839 Speaker 1: who would you have said that you were before? Because 769 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 1: you can be different once at different times. 770 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 2: I've always sort of vacillated, you know, there are there 771 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,319 Speaker 2: are parts of especially I think, like we were saying, 772 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,319 Speaker 2: when we were younger, we all really identified with Carrie Moore. 773 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 2: As I've gotten older, I'm like, maybe there's I really 774 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,279 Speaker 2: it's a lot of Miranda in me. 775 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 1: Actually that's what you're gonna say. 776 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And it's funny. I think. I think, you know, 777 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,440 Speaker 2: you go back and like we were saying, to watch 778 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 2: these sort of seminal shows from different life perspectives, to 779 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,400 Speaker 2: relate to different very interesting. And what I think is 780 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 2: actually so cool is that I can look at pieces 781 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 2: of each of those women. 782 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,960 Speaker 1: And go, oh, yeah, definitely I see. 783 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 2: Myself in that. And I think I think it's the 784 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 2: genius of your show. There was something really magical that 785 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,399 Speaker 2: you all did where it's like you sort of gave 786 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:27,279 Speaker 2: us the Captain Planet women and their experiences, and when 787 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,760 Speaker 2: you got together, then like this extra magic thing. 788 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,800 Speaker 1: Happened, right right, That's what we wanted to do. Yeah, 789 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 1: really cool and we did it. I mean, yeah, I 790 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 1: love I think definitely I think different things when I 791 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 1: watch it. 792 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 2: You know. 793 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:43,360 Speaker 1: Now, obviously, do you feel like you're a Charlotte? I mean, yeah, 794 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 1: you know, I guess because I am right, But I 795 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:52,840 Speaker 1: always felt Carrie related in terms of her searching. Carrie 796 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 1: is a searcher. She's gonna search and examine and target 797 00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: out to her And yeah, I think, I think. I 798 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,280 Speaker 1: mean that I think is such a really hugely important 799 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,959 Speaker 1: part of her but also so relatable and a part 800 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,319 Speaker 1: of love so much about her, you know, And yes, 801 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,239 Speaker 1: she doesn't have it all worked out obviously, but she's 802 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 1: gonna know nobody does. 803 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 2: Nobody does, and I think why not try? Yea, And 804 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,760 Speaker 2: to go and to and to search and to seek. 805 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 2: Sometimes it's a dead end and sometimes it's a discovery. 806 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,839 Speaker 2: And I think the willingness to continue to show up, 807 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 2: to remain in the arena right as the adage goes 808 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:39,400 Speaker 2: is really key. And it's it's a thing that I 809 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,880 Speaker 2: cherish about those women that that you all played, and 810 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 2: it's a thing I've like really had to learn to 811 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 2: love and own about myself, Like I'm always going to try, 812 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 2: and I've finally learned, I think not to keep trying 813 00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 2: just because I started. 814 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,399 Speaker 1: Oh that's a good point too. Yeah, that's that's hard. Hard. 815 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:01,359 Speaker 1: Sometimes that's hard. 816 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,839 Speaker 2: I think people get stuck sometimes saying well, I chose this, 817 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,239 Speaker 2: so I can't undo it. Yes you can. 818 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: Life is long, definitely, life is long, and you have 819 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,879 Speaker 1: but never know what's coming. You don't, You don't. It's 820 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,480 Speaker 1: so true. Let's talk a little bit, Sophia about what 821 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 1: you're up to. I know you have your work in 822 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,360 Speaker 1: progress podcast. John McQueen's is wrapped. 823 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,360 Speaker 2: Yes, we wrapped. We watched the whole show back. Amazing, 824 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:28,400 Speaker 2: so wild and surreal. Work in progress is evergreen and 825 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,479 Speaker 2: so much fun. And I can't believe at the time 826 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,400 Speaker 2: we're recording. My my guest last week was Vice President 827 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:40,400 Speaker 2: Kamala Harris. Wow, I mean, totally nuts, amazing, amazing. Monica 828 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 2: Lewinsky's on this week, right, I just get to talk 829 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,360 Speaker 2: to all of these really fascinating women, whether it's like 830 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,320 Speaker 2: Chelsea Handler coming to make us laugh or Ava do 831 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:50,240 Speaker 2: Verne talking. 832 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,920 Speaker 1: About filmmaking just oh a dream. 833 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,239 Speaker 2: One of my favorite conversations ever. So I just I 834 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,240 Speaker 2: love I love doing that so much. I love this format. 835 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,000 Speaker 1: You me too. It is It's really fun. And then 836 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,720 Speaker 1: acting wise, You're on Craze anatomy once. 837 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 2: Are you a doctor? Fun? I play a trauma surgeon, 838 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:15,440 Speaker 2: trauma doctor, casspack man okay, overlaps with Teddy okay again, 839 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,960 Speaker 2: stories talking about you know, awareness and intimacy. 840 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:19,759 Speaker 1: Fantastic. 841 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 2: I'm so thrilled about it. Kim Raver's a dream. We 842 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 2: have to dream. 843 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 1: I don't know the characters names. I know Kim though, 844 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 1: she's let me tell her. 845 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 2: We have so much fun. 846 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:32,320 Speaker 1: She's great, that's fun. Yay, yay. I can't wait to 847 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,280 Speaker 1: see all your different things. How wonderful. Thank you, thanks 848 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:36,879 Speaker 1: for being here.