1 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,319 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to favor Protection of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: I'm Annie Reese and I'm Lauren Vocal Bam and today 3 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: we've got another classic episode for you, this one about toasting. Yes, 4 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: as in cheersing, not a piece of bread in a toaster. 5 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: Although we do talk about pieces of bread. There's bread 6 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: in this one. We do. And I also one of 7 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: my characters from our soon to like very long rumored 8 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: cartoon comic series, the Toastmaster. I have that image all 9 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: ready to go. I have created the Toastmaster perfect. This 10 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: is a piece of bread. Well, we'll have to We'll 11 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: have to on the social media's somewhere, yes um. And 12 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: I was telling Lauren before we started this that this 13 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: episode has a really special place of my heart because 14 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: soon after we did it, I went to South Africa 15 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: with the colleague of ours, Casey Pegram, and I've sort 16 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: of just had a tough like family time. And it 17 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: was right around Christmas New Year's and Casey was such 18 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: a good sport when I was like, I want to 19 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 1: do all these toasting traditions. I want to do all 20 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: of them, and I think that will help the New 21 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: Year be great, and he was like okay, and we 22 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: did it. We did all the ones we could. Uh yeah, yeah, 23 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: it was it was great. If um if y'all, if 24 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: y'all have ever heard casey um over on a movie 25 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: crush or maybe ridiculous history, Um, he's he's a lovely 26 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,559 Speaker 1: human person and I can absolutely picture him being like like, okay, 27 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: well if this is I am, I'm on or bound, 28 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: this is my duty. We can we can, we can 29 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: do the toasting. Yeah yeah, I really appreciate it. Is 30 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: uh just like easy going but very He has a 31 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: great voice where in he's really really funny, but sometimes 32 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,559 Speaker 1: you don't pick up on it because yeah key, because 33 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: he's quite dry. Yeah, yes, yes, So I really appreciated 34 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: his like just straightforward. You know, maybe this sounds ridiculous 35 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: to me, but sure we'll get some scotch and I'll 36 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: cross the doorway and it'll do a thing and I'm 37 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: like thank you he yeah all right, yeah yeah, and 38 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: uh we we wanted to rerun this one, yeah, because 39 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: it is it is around the holidays, and um, you know, 40 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: I think a lot of a lot of toasts are 41 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: going to look a little different this year. Um more 42 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 1: more zoom toasting. I do love clinking a glass against 43 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: my webcam. Um, it's pretty um but uh and and 44 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: and that was that was strange listening back to this one. Um, 45 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: just thinking about about the differences that we're going through 46 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: right now. Um. But but it does not mean that 47 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: we cannot and should not toast. Oh absolutely, if not, 48 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: I mean now more than ever, get creative if you're toasting, 49 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, incorporate, I mean, come out, use 50 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 1: use this media format. Get puppets. I don't know, puppets. Yes, 51 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: I got really excited about that. I was thinking just 52 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: filters or backgrounds. But puppets, Lauren game, you know, wigs, costumes, accents. 53 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yes, yeah, yes, and yeah send pictures of course, 54 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: please please please do um uh and yeah. So so 55 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: without further ado, um, we will let former Annie and 56 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: Lauren take it away. Hello, and welcome to food Stuff. 57 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: I'm Lauren Vogelbon and I'm Annie Reese, and we're talking 58 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: about something fun today. We are that involves very few 59 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: human atrocities, Yes, human social atrocities. Maybe we're talking about 60 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: toasting traditions and not bread. No, not toast traditions. Although 61 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: now we very much want to do an episode on that. 62 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: We do and we will. Oh yeah, this and this 63 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: one is one we wanted to do very early on, 64 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: but since we started right out the gate with Champagne, 65 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: we thought we'd give it some time, give it some space. Yeah. 66 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: It's currently running up on the holiday season though, a 67 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: time for even more extra toasts than normal. Exactly, and um, 68 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: we should say, right off the top toast responsibly, yeah, 69 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: unlike most other humans have done I know throughout history 70 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: I know, and also drink responsibly too, yes. So a 71 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: source for anyone who's interested reading more about this. Paul 72 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: Dixon wrote the book Toast Over of the Best Toast 73 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: to mis blessing and Graces. So if you're looking for 74 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: something to read over the holidays and you know you 75 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: don't get enough of toast history or food history, that's 76 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: a that's a good one. Yeah, it's really delightful. So toasts, 77 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: what are they? Uh? Well, it's when a group of 78 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: assembled people raise their drinking glasses and one or more 79 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: of them says a few or more words to honor 80 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: whatever needs to be honored. Toasts can be straightforward or flowery, 81 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: or funny or even sarcastic. And in case you were wondering, 82 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: the largest recorded toast at a single venue. According to 83 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: the Guinness Book of Records, happened in in Boston. Apparently 84 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: nine hundred and four participants raised a cup to celebrate 85 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: the one anniversary of Fenway Park. Wow, that is a 86 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: pretty big crowd of people toasting, but it is hugely 87 00:05:55,920 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: dwarfed by the desperate but time coordinated venue record, which 88 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: is at least four hundred and eighty five thousand participants. Wolf. Yeah, wow, 89 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: Well we have to have the weird food record. It 90 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: just wouldn't be an episode. Yes, So let's let's look 91 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,119 Speaker 1: at some history and spoiler alert. The story you've probably 92 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: heard about toasting starting out as a way to check 93 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: for poison by putting some force behind the clinking of 94 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: glasses and thus spilling liquid into your possible murderers drink 95 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: is not true. Probably, or there's no evidence to back 96 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: it up. I mean, especially you know, like like think 97 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: about the physics of it, Like you have to have 98 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: your cup like filled to the brim and you'd have 99 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: to like really clink them and a lot of materials 100 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,799 Speaker 1: could break or you might spill most of your drink. 101 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, And people in the know say 102 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: that maybe maybe it was more like a trust thing. 103 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: You were showing that you trusted the people in the party. 104 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: It was more like a yeah, not a literal yeah exactly. 105 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 1: But basically, since the dawn of humans drinking alcohol and 106 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: perhaps too much of it, we've been toasting. The ancient Persians, Hebrews, Huns, Saxon's, 107 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: and Egyptians had toasting traditions, but historians think the ancient 108 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: Greek practice of pouring out some of your drink to 109 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: honor the gods, called libation, was where the whole toasting 110 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: thing got started, and historical records provide a lot of 111 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: early mentions of toasting round about two thousand, five hundred 112 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: years ago. Toasting appeared in the Odyssey with Ulysses raising 113 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: a glass to the health of Achilles. The ancient Greeks, 114 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: who regarded people who chose to drink water over wine 115 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: with suspicion, used to celebrate the Greek symposia with big 116 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: central wine filled urns called craters. You take your cup, 117 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: fill it with wine, drink and repeat. In the fourth 118 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: century BC, Greek put Eubulus wrote of this practice, calling 119 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: those that went home after or three creators of wine 120 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: the wise ones, according to him, by five there was shouting, 121 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: and by the sixth quote prancing about, and the seventh 122 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: black eyes, the eight brings the police, the ninth vomiting, 123 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: and the tenth insanity and hurling the furniture. So that's 124 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: a pretty good breakdown. Actually, yeah, that should be like 125 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: a chart. A Symposia were the part of a party 126 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: after the dinner, where folks would talk and drink and 127 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: philosophize and might have some kind of entertainment you know, poetry, dancing, games, music. Uh. 128 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 1: These were, by the way, parties for dudes only until 129 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: about five b c E. Four reasons which I do 130 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: not have the strength to list today, but can be 131 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 1: summed up by deep and ignorant misogyny. There was a 132 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: tradition where the host or master of the event, the 133 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: symposi arc, would make sure everyone had a cup, then 134 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: would drink to the health of every guest present, and 135 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: then each guest would toast to the host and all 136 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: of the other guests. This apparently got real ridiculous really fast, 137 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: and some partiers would give up, and thus so a 138 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: forfeit in the form of a dare like a dance naked, 139 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: recited poem, walk on his hands, stuff like that mm hmmm. 140 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 1: In the first century v c. The Roman Senate passed 141 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: a law requiring a toast to Emperor Augustus's health at 142 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: every meal, which Romans might have and probably did, take 143 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: toasting and turn it into a sneaky drinking game, at 144 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: least if the first century Roman poet Marshall is to 145 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: be believed. Um One of his poems detailed a challenge 146 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: that required a party's attendees to drink a number of 147 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: glasses of wine equal to the length of their mistress's name, 148 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: and names back then could be quite long. For each 149 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: course of a meal, the Huns had three rounds of toast. 150 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: Also worth noting that most of these early toasts required 151 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: chugging the whole of whatever it was you were drinking. 152 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: The first recorded toast in England, as described in Geoffrey 153 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: of Moms twelfth century work History of the Kings of Britain, 154 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: purportedly occurred in four when hind Just, the leader of 155 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: the Saxon allies to the British, threw a party in 156 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: British King Vorda Jern's honor, and hinch just daughter Rowena, 157 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: called for the king's good health after bringing him a 158 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: goblet of wine from which they both drink, and then 159 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 1: the king asked Rowena to marry him, because alcohol induced 160 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: proposals of marriage are always a good idea yea to 161 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: your wedding. Good health back then, was said wass Hale, 162 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: which is where the name for the holiday was sail 163 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: bowl originates, you know, like the Christmas song. Yeah, I 164 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: didn't know what sel was a drink until UM listener 165 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,239 Speaker 1: Rachel wrote, is about it. We have very different cookbooks. 166 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: We we really must. According to her, people would take 167 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: this bowl of a sale, which was sort of a 168 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: cider fruit punch holiday spice hybrid used to celebrate Christmas 169 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: and New Year's and go door to door offering some 170 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: songs and SIPs out of the bowl and return for 171 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: some gifts. I think I would be annoyed if this 172 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: happened to me. But you know, now we've ditched a 173 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: sail bowl and we just go caroling. Or maybe we 174 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: ditched that too, because I've never seen it. I've been 175 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: in real life. I don't know if you have right 176 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 1: in and thank you Rachel for that insightful Yeah, I'm 177 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: not sure. I would have to trust my neighbors a 178 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: lot if I were going to drink something that they 179 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: brought with them while they were caroling. I would just 180 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: be mad. I guess at the time you would expect it, 181 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: and so you'd have a gift to give. Singing and 182 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: offering me an you're like, here's this rubber spider that's 183 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: been sitting on my doorstep. I don't know why. Congratulations, 184 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 1: you're welcome, goodbye. And the was sail bowl itself, maybe 185 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: a reimagining of another ritual that involved partakers sipping out 186 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: of a large, heavy, two handed vessel called a loving cup, 187 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: and they would approach this cup in groups of threes 188 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,719 Speaker 1: want to pass the cup, want to drink, and one 189 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: to protect the drinker, and then they pass it on 190 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: to the next group of three. Once the loving cup 191 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 1: was traded out for individual cups, people missed that feeling 192 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: of camaraderie, so they'd bring their cups together for a 193 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: moment to recapture that loving cup feeling. Oh my goodness. Yeah. 194 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: Allegedly this practice stemmed from tenth century CE, with King 195 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: Edward the Second death by stabbing at hands of his 196 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: stepmother while he was enjoying a glass of meat. Yeah, 197 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: there's a lot of fun, fun stories in this one. 198 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: Some historians say the clink, which wasn't really a thing 199 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 1: until Christianity got its start, is a leftover from this 200 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: loving cup tribute, a physical way to be a part 201 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: and connected to the toast. Others say it was that 202 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: whole checking for poison thing, and yet others say it 203 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: was a prac just similar to the tolling of a 204 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: church bell to ward off bad spirits, including the devil himself. 205 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 1: M m, but maybe not. It may have come relatively 206 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: simply from a physical way to put the contents of 207 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: your then opaque cup in front of everyone else. Drinking 208 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: glasses and crystal were out of the reach of most 209 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: people until the beginning of the twentieth century, so by 210 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: offering your glass outward in a toast, you were symbolically 211 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: sharing your cup and also showing everyone what you were drinking, 212 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: and also letting the host know who needed refills. The 213 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: clinking might have begun accidentally from this, yes, or Another 214 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: theory is that it gives the drinker maximum toast satisfaction 215 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: because it satisfies all five senses. The word toast itself 216 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: comes from a once common practice of adding spiced toast 217 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 1: or a crouton to a drink in hopes of improving 218 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: the taste of the drink, usually wine, by cutting the 219 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: acidity and bonus points. That usually improved to the bread 220 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: as well, which is probably stale. And Shakespeare's The Merry 221 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: Wives of Windsor, which was most likely penned in the 222 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: character Falseff, says go fetch me, a quote of Seck 223 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 1: put a toast it, which in non Shakespeare means give 224 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: me a whole bunch of wine and put some bread 225 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: in there. It took until the eighteenth century for toast 226 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: to refer to the person you were drinking to the 227 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: toast of the town, as opposed to the actual toast 228 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: in your drink, which was at this time traditionally given 229 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: to the person being honored. Oh thank you for this 230 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: soggy bread. Yeah, it's like that, I mean share, you know. 231 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: The whole concept here is that the person that you're 232 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: honoring adds flavor to the event, the way that the 233 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: toast adds flavor to the wine. The word may have 234 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: originally been applied only to women. There is a slightly 235 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: body and possibly fictional account of how toast came to 236 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: be applied to people, written by one Sir Richard Steele 237 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: in seventeen o nine and a publication called The Tattler. 238 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: He's that. Uh this this one time, a well admired 239 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: lady was hanging out around the Cross Bath, which is 240 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: a historic natural hot spring bathhouse which you can still 241 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: visit today. One of the gentlemen there scooped up a 242 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: glass of water from the pool and offered a toast 243 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: to her health to the company at large, upon which 244 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: a slightly more drunken gentleman said that though he liked 245 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: not the liquor, he would have the toast. Mm hmm. 246 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: It's funny because when I was reading about this, it 247 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: was presented in a much more wholesome way. And in 248 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: the article that I read, he toasted with water, which 249 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: I've always heard is bad luck. Oh yeah it was. 250 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: It was definitely water. It was like it was like 251 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: a scoop of water from the from the ponds hot spring, 252 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: so it was still water. Okay. I think that though 253 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: he liked not the liquor, through me for a second, yeah, 254 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: no liquor meaning okay, that all right? Oh. Historical words 255 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: and changing of things, um and more on toasting superstitions 256 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: in a set, because there's a lot of them. Oh yeah, 257 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: and it cheers, on the other hand, came from an 258 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: old French word meaning face that by the end of 259 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: the eighteenth century described a happy mood as observed on 260 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: the face and was used as encouragement, our support. So 261 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: it kind of makes sense that it came to be 262 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: I think you said, yeah, that toast. Okay. So that's 263 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: some of the early history and theories about toasting. Now 264 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: let's talk about some chaos and controversy, chow controversy, Yes 265 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: that toasting caused. But first a quick break for a 266 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor, and we're back, Thank you sponsor. 267 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: So you know what else has been around since the 268 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: dawn of humans, drinking alcohol, regret, wild nights that devolve 269 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: into total chaos the time on a tradition of drinking 270 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: too much, promising yourself you'll never do it again, of course, 271 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: and for getting that promise at the first opportunity. Getting 272 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: incredibly drunk used to be the goal, not a by product, 273 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 1: and toasting was often made competitive as an excuse to 274 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: drink more without looking necessarily like an alcoholic. To that end, 275 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: over the centuries, we entered something of a toasting arms race, 276 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 1: if you will, and things sort of got out of hand. 277 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: For example, medieval Anglo Saxon throwdowns often use these cups 278 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 1: with around bottom that prevented party goers from setting them 279 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 1: anywhere until they were empty, and then they would be 280 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: placed upside down on a table. Because of this, these 281 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: cups were called tumblers, which is funny considering now tumblers 282 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: are these square bottomed, untippable basically supposed to be Yeah, well, yeah, 283 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: you know if you're just then before you is King 284 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: George the Fourth, the Prince Regent, had the stems of 285 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: wine glasses removed so that guests would down all of 286 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: their drink at his eighteen centuries shin digs, which too 287 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: is funny considering now you can get stim was wine 288 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 1: glasses that are perfectly stable or I actually prefer them, 289 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: oh goodness, oh my gosh. Oh. And he also loved 290 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,479 Speaker 1: this game wherein two fellows at a time would toast 291 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: to a woman's beauty with these huge glasses of wine 292 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: called bumpers until one of them passed out. How romantic. 293 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: I wonder if this is where some of that macho 294 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: like real man can hold their like her comes from. 295 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, future episode. Eventually, party guests went from 296 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: toasting the king, to toasting every single guest attending a 297 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: party or an event, to the guests that weren't attending 298 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: because they were dead or otherwise occupied. You spent the 299 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: entire time caught him the cycle of toasting and drinking. 300 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: The British Navy exemplified this with a checklist of toast 301 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: to be performed daily for the king's health, then to 302 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: the men, then to the ships, then to your enemies, 303 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: than to your wife, sweethearts, mistresses, And speaking of toasting 304 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: got all tied up with these drinking games, and a 305 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: lot of them had to do with winning a lady's affections. 306 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: To prove his seriousness to his woman of choice, a 307 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: man would cut himself, used the blood as a mixer 308 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:21,719 Speaker 1: for his drink, and then toast to the lucky lady lucky. 309 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: Shakespeare again that mentioned to this in the Merchant of Venice. 310 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: I stabbed my arm to drink her health. The more 311 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: full eye, the more full eye. Another toast to impress 312 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: the lady is called for drinking out of her shoe. 313 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 1: And I've i've seen like sports versions of this, for rugby, 314 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 1: for with a boot or during october Fest, but not 315 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: as like a pickup toast. I think that there's also 316 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: a wedding tradition maybe from Hungary, uh, involving that I 317 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: didn't write it down, but a future like like wedding tradition, Oh, 318 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 1: a very interesting one. The toasting arms race led to 319 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 1: two main things, apart from drunkenness, the anti toast movement 320 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: and the toastmaster toastmaster toastmaster, which the story of toast 321 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: very much created a cartoon character. Yes, he's a piece 322 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 1: of toast obviously. First, the anti toast movement. This was 323 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: spearheaded by what many considered to be the first temperance group, 324 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: Order of Temperance, founded in Germany in fifteen seventeen. Vanquishing 325 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 1: the toast was one of their primary goals. Englishman and 326 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: lawyer William Prynne wrote a book called Health Sickness dedicated 327 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: to the evils of toasting. The whole thing in it 328 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 1: included lines like this one. This drinking and coughing of 329 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: health had its origin and birth from pagans, heathens and infidels. Ye, 330 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: even from the devil himself. Yeah. During toast he refused 331 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 1: to raise a glass even for the King, opting instead 332 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: to sit on his hat and cast judging eyes on 333 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: people who did it, I can tell he was the 334 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: best at parties. He's so fun to be around. In four, Massachusetts, 335 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: happed on the bandwagon or is it off the bandwagon? 336 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: Another subtle Signfeld joke banning what they called the abominable 337 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: toasting to someone's health. In the late sixteen hundreds, in England, 338 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: toasting could be an act of political dissent. After the 339 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: ousting of the Catholic king James the Second and the 340 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: rise of the Protestant monarchy under William and Mary, a 341 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: group of dissenters called the Jacobites found ways to quietly 342 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: communicate their support of the old regime, despite it being 343 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: labeled treasonists. Very like hale hydra kind of stuff. James 344 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: the Second had been exiled to France, and when the 345 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: Jacobites held up their port glass during a toast to 346 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: the new king, that position it subtly over their water glass, 347 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 1: instead honoring the king over the water. Exiled to France 348 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: over the water. Yeah. Uh, there's a legend that when 349 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: this gesture was found out, it led to a new 350 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: tradition of removing water glasses from the table before the 351 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: port was served. Oh yeah, toasting intrigue. Mm hmmm. Louis 352 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: the fourteenth, who reigned from sixty three to seven fifteen, 353 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 1: it's not seven fifteen, seventeen fifteen. He didn't allow any 354 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: toasting in his court, and not that it matters really, 355 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: but I wanted to mention that he was monarch from 356 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: the House of Bourbon. Others um were more interested in 357 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:34,959 Speaker 1: d drunkifying toasting ter toastmasters. It's it's I'm telling you 358 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: this character. He saves awkward parties and he's also good 359 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: at making toast and toasting. There's a yeah. And he's 360 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,959 Speaker 1: also made of toast, Yes he is. It's it's going 361 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: to be a thing. As a result of unchecked toasting, 362 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: we got the toastmaster in the seventeenth and eighteenth century, 363 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 1: and they essentially were party peacekeepers, making sure no one 364 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: hogged the toasting time by toasting each and every guest, 365 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: that everyone who wanted to go got to go. Guide 366 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 1: books were published to aid in this task, and toastmasters 367 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 1: clubs were formed, and some still exist. One of these guides, 368 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: published by J roach In, boasted perhaps the longest title 369 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: I've ever seen, m The Royal Toastmaster, containing many thousands 370 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: of the best toast old and new, to give brilliancy 371 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: to mirth and make the joys of the glass supremely agreeable. 372 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: Also the Siemens bottle companion being a selection of exquisite 373 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: modern sea songs. Wow huh it advocated for reason when 374 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: quote passion blows the gale. Uh. In this book, Roach 375 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: said about toasting, a toast or sentiment very frequently excites 376 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: good humor and revives languid conversation. Often does it when 377 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 1: properly applied, cool the heat of resentment and blunt the 378 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: edge of animosity. A well applied toast is acknowledged universally 379 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: to soothe the flame of acrimony when season and reason 380 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: oft used their efforts to no purpose. That makes the 381 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: toast sound very noble. This is a job for the toastmaster. 382 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: Bom boom. Yes, the anti toasting groups didn't succeed in 383 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: banishing toasting, but they, along with the toastmasters and books 384 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 1: about proper ways to toast, lead to a more refined toast, 385 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: one more true to its origins. Often a single sip 386 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: and someone's honor instead of a game to see who 387 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: got drunk the fastest. Without being called a lush etiquette 388 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: called for the recipient of a toast to bow with 389 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: politeness and smile with an air of great kindness. And yes, 390 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: it was usually a woman. In these early days in America, 391 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: toasting was tied to patriotism because America, thirteen toast, one 392 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: for each new state, was required to make any official 393 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: dinner or party celebrating the end of the Revolutionary War complete. 394 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: And further cementing this America Toasting Patriotism Association was a 395 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 1: in seventy eight musical composition published in a London magazine 396 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: called to an Acreon in Heaven, named for the Greek 397 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 1: poet whose work often showcased his love of love and 398 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: of wine. Soon after, a gentleman's club called the Anacreon 399 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: Society opened their meetings with this song and a toast. 400 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: It was quite the hit, the song, enough so that 401 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: a bunch of popular songs incorporated the melody, including the 402 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: star spangled banner, Oh wow, m hm, oh thank you alcohol, Yes, 403 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 1: thank you um. Of course, the American temperance movement was 404 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 1: not fond of toasting traditions, although due to them, a 405 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 1: counter toast of sorts developed temperance I'll drink to that 406 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: drink what liquor and not like a liquid. Yeah. From 407 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: eighteen eighty to nineteen toasting was hugely popular in the US. 408 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: Famous authors wrote toast. One magazine had a toast editor. 409 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: He would gather and judge the best toast from around 410 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 1: the country in a monthly contest. Some historians blame prohibition 411 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: on the lapse and American toasting culture while it was 412 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: enacted from three although it certainly did not stop people 413 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 1: from inventing new toasts. Here's one from the period. Here's 414 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: the prohibition. The devil take it. They've stolen our wine, 415 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: so now we make it. A lot of things rhymed. 416 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: Back then, it was pretty popular to rhyme. YEA. Movies, 417 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: TV and books and other pop culture helped solidify toasting 418 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: as a thing you do, and to this day we 419 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: do it, but around the world we toast in different ways. 420 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: More on that after a brief word from our sponsor, 421 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 1: and we're back, Thank you sponsor. One of the fun 422 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: things about toasting is all of the unique versions of 423 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: it that exists around the world. So we thought we'd 424 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 1: go over a few. Yeah. According to our very own website, 425 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: house to works traditional Gaelic toast because as follows, May 426 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: the road rise to meet you. May the wind be 427 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: always at your back, May the sunshine warm upon your face, 428 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: the rains falls soft upon your fields. And until we 429 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 1: meet again, may God hold you in the palm of 430 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: his hand. M My grandparents had that on a plaque 431 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: in their kitchen. Yeah. The British Royal Navy's daily toasts 432 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: evolved into a set of traditional toasts, one for every 433 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 1: day of the week, with the understanding that it's not 434 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 1: so much that they're definitely drinking every day as much 435 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: as that, you know, celebratory dinners might happen any day 436 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: of the week, so you need you need to have 437 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: a proper one for that day. There's gotta be a regiment. 438 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: Sundays to absent friends, Monday to our ships at sea, 439 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: Tuesday to our sailors well, Wednesday to ourselves as no 440 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: one else is likely to concern themselves with our welfare. 441 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: Thursday to a body war or sickly season, Friday to 442 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 1: a willing foe and see room. And Saturday has long 443 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: been to our wives and sweethearts, to which there is 444 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: a crowd response. To our wives and sweethearts, may they 445 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: never meet adultery jokes um as the Royal Navy officially 446 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: changed that toast to our families, purportedly to include an 447 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: honor the service women in their company. Yeah. China, Japan, 448 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 1: and Korea share a few common ideas about drinking and 449 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: toasting traditions. The most common Japanese and Korean words for 450 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: like cheers root from the Chinese, and the traditions tend 451 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: to be based in a status in respect strata. First off, 452 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: in these and actually a lot of cultures, it's a 453 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: rude to begin drinking before someone raises a glass for 454 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: a first toast. That someone can be you if you're 455 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: a guest, mhm, anyone can toast. In Japan, the go 456 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: to word for cheers is can pie, which means dry cup, 457 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: a k drain that glass. It did originate when the 458 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: drink of choice was sake that was consumed from small cups, 459 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: and it's not necessarily literal when you're drinking with large 460 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: glasses of beer. But more on that in a sec 461 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: The Korean word is gone bay, and the Chinese word 462 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,479 Speaker 1: is pretty close to the Korean. It's gune bay. I 463 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: think it's gone by, gone by, Okay, gone by share 464 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: toasts in China and Korea can go in rounds with 465 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: everyone offering a cheer's to everyone of higher or equal status. 466 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: If you're offering the toast and thus putting yourself in 467 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: the position of showing respect, it's polite at that point 468 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: to drain your glass. I've heard anecdotes from both China 469 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: and Japan about this turning into like something of a 470 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: drinking courage game, where everyone is basically trying to like 471 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: outpolite everyone else and get drunk in the process. Um, 472 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: no matter how big the glasses or strong the drinks. 473 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: I definitely saw this go down when I was in China. 474 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: There are self alternatives in all of these cultures, of course. 475 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: My favorite at this very current moment might be the 476 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: Japanese atsure, which literally means something like you're honored and tired, 477 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: but in the instance of toast, better translates to you've 478 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: worked so hard you deserve this drink. That sounds like me, 479 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: I know you deserve this, you deserve it. It's usually 480 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: someone else saying it about you that that would be 481 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: better and less sad than me saying it to myself. 482 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: One that I heard a lot um in in my travels, 483 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: especially in Europe, but also in the US is if 484 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: you don't make eye contact with everybody during the toast, 485 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: you have to like do it with everyone. Um, then 486 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: you're gonna have seven years bad sex. I love how. 487 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: I love how it jumped from like it's rude to 488 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: make eye contact to seven years of bad sex. You 489 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: don't want that? I couldn't. Yeah, I mean, I think 490 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: it's just one of the things that sort of happened 491 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: and then got spread and there's really well, obviously there's 492 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: nothing I didn't look into. We should we should look 493 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: into that further. But I think it's more of a 494 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: kind of a thing that it's just like like an 495 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: urban legend. Yeah. Yeah, um that that's popular in parts 496 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: of Germany and in France, among other places. By the way, 497 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: Germans u prost and similar words and other languages probably 498 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: root from the Latin post. I'm saying these with very 499 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: strange accents. I think that the Latin is probably closer 500 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: to something like prost. I'm not sure if I said 501 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: that any differently. Anyway, Um, it means something like may 502 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: it be good or it maybe beneficial? Maybe? Yeah, that's nice. 503 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: And going back to that water thing and this superstition 504 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: surrounding toasting with water. Why don't we do that generally? 505 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: There's definitely American and I think British naval traditions that 506 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: say that the object of a toast with water will 507 00:31:55,320 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 1: die by drowning. Oh no, that's serious. I mean can 508 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: you also use that? Yeah, just knock out your enemies 509 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: and that dark very quickly. Um. There's a legend that 510 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: the tradition of this started with the ancient Greeks. Part 511 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: of their underworld pathology held that there were these five 512 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: rivers in Hades, one of which called Leathy. The dead 513 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: would drink water from to forget about some or all 514 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: of their earthly experience or existence. Therefore, the legend goes, 515 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,479 Speaker 1: the Greeks would toast the dead with water. I think 516 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: it's probably closer to that, like either like macheesmo or 517 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: we're pouring out this libation to the gods. It's disrespectful 518 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: to use water instead of wine kind of concept. But 519 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: but that's a nice legend, it is. It's kind of 520 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: like they were drinking from the the river to get 521 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: the same effect of alcohol, to forget your existence, right, 522 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: Oh wow yeah, oh oh, what about a hungry moving on. 523 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: There's there's apparently this tradition in Hungary. That's like, do 524 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: not clink your glasses. Definitely don't. I read this on 525 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: the Internet and the only explanation that anyone offered was 526 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: that clinking glasses reminds folks of this one time that 527 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: thirteen martyrs were executed in eighteen forty nine, and I'm 528 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: not sure. I'm not sure. Yeah, okay, Well, if anyone 529 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: knows any more about that, then let us know. Russia 530 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: has a wealth of toasting traditions. There. It's also rude 531 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: to drink before a first toast is made, and in 532 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: the military tradition, there are at least thirteen toasts that 533 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: are accounted for. The first two are kind of quick blessings, 534 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: then there's one for the dead, and then the rest 535 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: of the thirteen for for women. A good simple one 536 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: in Russia is by the way, a bodiam, which is 537 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: we will, Yeah, we will, we will. I like it. 538 00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: I have it from an excellent theater artist from Belarus 539 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: by the name of Asana that the most popular Belarusian 540 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 1: toast is Zaludorf, meaning for love's. In Georgia, the country, 541 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 1: not the United States, state drinking and toasting at feasts 542 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: is traditionally overseen by a tamada, a toastmaster. In formal gatherings, 543 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: you do not drink until the tamada has offered the 544 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: official toast and said until the end, which is another 545 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: kind of bottoms up suggestion. Sure m, it works on 546 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 1: two levels too, until the end, until the end, and 547 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: then until the bottom didn't drink, Yeah, yeah, emptied up. 548 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 1: Many Western cultures use a variation on the word salude, salute, salient, etcetera. 549 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 1: And these come from the Proto Indo European root soul, 550 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: meaning a whole or well kept, and then eventually the 551 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: Latin salutarre meaning literally wish health to with a connotation 552 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 1: of of greeting or paying respect. And I find it 553 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 1: really interesting that in English this root word branched into 554 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: like the really military connoted formal salute or like salutation, 555 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 1: but basically every other Latin influenced language uses it in 556 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,359 Speaker 1: this much more casual and friendly and like yeah sort 557 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 1: of way. I guess it's all honorific speaking of things 558 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: that we don't know about the origins of Why do 559 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 1: some people clink the bottom of their glass against the 560 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 1: table after cheers and before they drink? I don't know. 561 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: No one does really good story. I know, no dang, 562 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: but everyone has an opinion. Um. I've heard everything from 563 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: your honoring the bar or the bar tender, to your 564 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 1: honoring those not around to actually clink glasses with you, 565 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: to your dispelling evil spirits um, to your dispelling extra 566 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: foam in your beer, to your dispelling over familiarity with 567 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: your drinking mates by disrupting the path from the clink 568 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: to your lips, which is very like good work today, Wesley, 569 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: I'll likely kill you tomorrow. Yeah, but you know, I 570 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: did it for a while just because I thought it 571 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 1: was how you did it, Like I thought that it 572 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 1: completed the toast. But yeah, I have some groups of 573 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: friends who all do it in a respectful way, and 574 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: I have some groups of friends who do that in 575 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: that kind of like few sort of way, And I 576 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,879 Speaker 1: always forget which one I'm in, especially if I've had 577 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: more than one. It turns very exciting. And now tips 578 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,439 Speaker 1: for a good toast, just kidding, we don't have any. 579 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,359 Speaker 1: I one time gave a good toast, and generally I 580 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: just didn't like shorter the better get out of there quick. Yeah, 581 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: I'm usually just like I love you guys. Thank you, 582 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: you're great. I hope you're doing nice. See excellent, very 583 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 1: it was words strong together. I did collect a few 584 00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 1: from one of those early eighteen hundreds toast master's guides, 585 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: this one by T. Hughes Um published in London in 586 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,879 Speaker 1: and a couple of ones that he recorded in this 587 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 1: book are good luck until we are all tired of it, 588 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: which I think is cute. Yeah, and here's here's what 589 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 1: I thought you would like. Champagne to our real friends 590 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 1: and real pain to our sham friends. Yes you know 591 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: me so well. Oh that's so good. But yeah, that's 592 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: that's all. I've got. Tips from us, Keep it short 593 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 1: and sweet. If you're not sure of the customs wherever 594 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: it is that you are, then either ask beforehand or 595 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: follow everyone else's lead. And I don't know, be friendly, yes, 596 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:56,280 Speaker 1: be kind. That's our toasting episode. Serious to you for listening. Yes, cheers, well, 597 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: cheers listeners. That brings us to the end of this 598 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 1: classic episode. Yes, yes, um, I'm sure that all of 599 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 1: you have toast are popular cheers that we missed out on. 600 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 1: Please send them our way. I love how people like 601 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: within friend groups or within families, people have their specific 602 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: they do so, we would love to to get those 603 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 1: from you listeners, and you can email them to us 604 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 1: at Hello at savor pod dot com. 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