1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Hi, this is Jolan Victoria. Thanks so much for listening 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: to the podcast and thanks for supporting the ministry. We 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: believe you're gonna have an awesome twenty twenty four, healthy, productive, 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: and favor filled. God bless you today and enjoyed a message. 5 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 2: Yes, we are grateful people. 6 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 3: Amen. I want to encourage us all today to have 7 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 3: a peace maker's heart, a peace maker's heart, the heart 8 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 3: of a peace maker. You see, we all want to 9 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 3: live in peace. We all want people to be at 10 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 3: peace with us. We want peace in our families, we 11 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 3: want peace in our homes. But the way we're going 12 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 3: to have peace is to make peace. Peace Maker is 13 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 3: a compound word, peace maker. We should be the maker 14 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 3: of peace, the maker of peace. 15 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: You see. We have the. 16 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 3: Ability to draw the line in the sand and say 17 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna step over this line of into strife, 18 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 3: into division. I'm gonna make peace. 19 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: And how do we do that? 20 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 3: The Bible says we make peace, we make unity through 21 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 3: the bond of peace. See, it's our responsibility, no one. 22 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 3: We don't have to depend on anyone to make peace 23 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 3: for us. It's our responsibility to resolve the differences and 24 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 3: the conflicts in our life honoring God. See, that's what 25 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 3: a peacemaker does. He honors God. It's an attitude. And 26 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 3: that's why I described it as developing a heart of 27 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 3: a peacemaker, because it's an attitude that we have to develop. 28 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 3: It's something that we have to realize is our responsibility. 29 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 3: See Jesus gave a sermon on the mound, and he 30 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 3: gave all the beatitudes, and he told about these beatitudes, 31 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 3: you could call them. These are attitudes that bring the 32 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 3: blessings of God in our life. And he said in 33 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 3: Matthew five nineteen, he said, Blessed are the peace peacemakers, 34 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 3: for they shall be sons of God. Blessed are those 35 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 3: who are willing to let go of an offense. Blessed 36 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 3: are those who don't walk in the pathway of conflict. 37 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 3: Blessed are those who don't have to have their way 38 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 3: all the time. Blessed are those who are willing to 39 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 3: keep the peace. See, we have to learn how to 40 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 3: reconcile our differences and honor God. See it's about unity, 41 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 3: and the only way we're going to find unity is 42 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:40,119 Speaker 3: through the bonds of peace. Unity doesn't mean we're all 43 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,839 Speaker 3: going to agree on everything. Unity doesn't mean we're all 44 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 3: clones and we look alike, we act alike, we talk alike, 45 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 3: because we all know that ain't happening. We're all from 46 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 3: different backgrounds, we have different opinions, different ways of doing things. 47 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 3: So we have to learn that peace is what's going 48 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 3: to buy us together. You know, it's so interesting in 49 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 3: families and with co workers, in partnerships, with business husbands 50 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 3: and wife The interesting thing is this. We start out good. 51 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 3: We have the same goal in mind. We want to 52 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 3: be successful at this task. We want to have peace 53 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 3: in our homes. We want to raise kids that are 54 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 3: thriving and well able to accomplish things. We want to 55 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 3: have financial security. These are all common goals that we 56 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 3: start out with. But somewhere along the way, because we 57 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 3: differ in our personalities and the way we do things, 58 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 3: we begin to get in conflict. We have the same goal, 59 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 3: but we do it differently, and that conflict side tracks 60 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 3: us and gets us off course, so we don't have 61 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 3: the desired outcome, or it extends and prolongs the outcome. 62 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 3: You see, those are the things that's at the end 63 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 3: of the day. It's not the way you do it 64 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 3: or I do it that's gonna bring the happiness at 65 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 3: the end of the day. It's gonna be peace that 66 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 3: binds us together in unity that brings the happiness, the achievement, 67 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 3: the outcome of the goal. You see, there is a 68 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 3: place in your spirit that says, I am a peacemaker, 69 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 3: and because I'm a peacemaker, I can trust God to 70 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 3: fight my battles for me. I can trust God to 71 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 3: bring the outcome, even if it's not the way I 72 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 3: would do it. The attitude of a peacemaker is what 73 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 3: we all need. We're all gonna face challenges along the way. 74 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 3: Those challenges are getting along with people because we all 75 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 3: want our way. We all want to do it our way, 76 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 3: our way, or no way. You know, sometimes it can 77 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 3: get to the lowest part of our maturity, and it 78 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 3: can be if you don't do it my way, I'm 79 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 3: not gonna be happy. In fact, if you don't do 80 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 3: it my way, we're not moving forward from this point. 81 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 3: That is what is hindering our outcome. We've got to 82 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 3: learn that if we want peace, it starts with us. 83 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 3: We can make it. 84 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 2: I was talking to. 85 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 3: A beautiful, really sharp, brilliant young girl the other day 86 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 3: and we were having a conversation. I could just see 87 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 3: how sharp she was and with it and right on 88 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 3: the ball. And she began to tell me, I have 89 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 3: a strong personality. You know. I love to win. I 90 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 3: love the feeling of winning. She says, there's just something 91 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 3: about being right. It's a great feeling. And then she paused, 92 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 3: and she said, you know, those traits of mine, those 93 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 3: personality traits, I'm realizing they're beginning to slowly demise my marriage. 94 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 3: They're beginning to change the atmosphere of my home. It's 95 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 3: beginning to affect my children. You see, if you have 96 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 3: to be right all the time, and you love that 97 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:59,119 Speaker 3: feeling of being right, you're making other people feel wrong. 98 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 3: You see, we don't want to make the people in 99 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 3: our life feel wrong. We've got to let other people 100 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 3: be right. 101 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 2: We've got to allow them to be right. 102 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 3: Doesn't mean that you have to agree with everything that 103 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 3: they're saying. Just let them be right. It doesn't make 104 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 3: you wrong. It makes you a peacemaker. It makes you 105 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 3: a peacemaker, It makes you a person. Because says, I'm 106 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 3: gonna make peace because I don't want to be right 107 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 3: all the time. It's too costly, it's too expensive, It 108 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 3: isn't worth the price of my home, of my family, 109 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 3: of my children, of my job. It's too costly. We 110 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 3: have to be willing to be a peacemaker. I looked 111 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 3: up the synonyms for peacemaker, and listen to some of 112 00:06:52,360 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 3: these words. It's diplomat, arbitrator, mediator, calmer, sooth, go between. 113 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 3: Sounds like the characteristics of Jesus, doesn't it. It sounds 114 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 3: like the attitudes that he walked this earth with and 115 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 3: he won anyway. You see, he is saying our attitudes 116 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 3: should be like that. You see, he made peace for 117 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 3: us so that we could make peace for others. We 118 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 3: could be reconcilers of peace. When Joel and I were 119 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 3: really young in our marriage, before he was ever the pastor, 120 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 3: we were at a meeting and he was talking to 121 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 3: this gentleman and I came up a few minutes into 122 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 3: the conversation. But this gentleman was talking passionately and really 123 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 3: had these convictions about what he was talking about, and 124 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 3: he was going on and on, and to me, some 125 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 3: of them sounded a little unrealistic and a little bit 126 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 3: wrong in my opinion. But I wasn't gonna say anything, 127 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 3: because I really wasn't part of the conversation. I sat 128 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,119 Speaker 3: there and listened, and I looked at Joel, and Joel 129 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 3: was standing there with a pleasant look on his face. 130 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 3: He was being very cordial, and I thought, oh, okay, 131 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,239 Speaker 3: all right. So, as I was standing there just listening 132 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 3: to the conversation, a little while later, Joel had somehow 133 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 3: given us an exit point. He had dismissed us and said, hey, 134 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 3: we got to go. So as we were leaving a 135 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 3: little later, we were in the car going home, and 136 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 3: I said to Joel, I said, hey, you know, who 137 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 3: was that guy and what did you think about his opinion? 138 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 3: And you know, I didn't know what I thought about it. 139 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 3: I don't know if I agree with all that. And 140 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 3: I said did you agree with his opinion? And Joel 141 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 3: said no, I didn't. And I said, well, you were 142 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 3: standing there so nice and everything. I thought maybe you did. 143 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 3: I'll never forget what he said. He said, Victoria, I 144 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 3: wasn't put on this earth to straighten everybody out. You know, 145 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 3: some people think they were, they're the judge and the jury. 146 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 3: I thought that was so profound, very deep. 147 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 2: I thought, I like that. 148 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 3: I'm gonna remember that. Have you ever interjected in a 149 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 3: conversation and later on when you left, maybe when you 150 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 3: got home, you thought, why did I do that? I 151 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 3: I just wish I wouldn't have said anything. We ought 152 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 3: to adapt that motto. I wasn't put on this earth 153 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 3: to straighten everybody out. You know, that doesn't mean that 154 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 3: we can't have opinions, likes and dislikes that differ. You know, 155 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 3: even in the most difficult conversations. If we will come 156 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 3: from a place of honoring God, from a place of 157 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 3: a peacemaker, a place of unity, that's how we're going 158 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 3: to make it in this life. That's how we're going 159 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 3: to keep the bond of peace. We all know that 160 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 3: we have to have difficult conversations, but it's not about 161 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 3: having our way. It's about saying, God, I want to 162 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 3: converse with this person. I want to be intelligent about it, 163 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 3: but I don't have to have my way. I can 164 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 3: let someone else be right and God, it doesn't have 165 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 3: to be done my way. There is more ways to 166 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 3: a point than just my way. There's more ways to 167 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 3: a common goal than just my way. Sometimes you've got 168 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 3: to know when to take your hands off of it 169 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 3: and when you've got to say God, this is in 170 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 3: the way I would do it. But you know what, 171 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 3: I'm gonna zip it up because I'm gonna keep unity 172 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 3: through the bond of peace, through the common ground of 173 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 3: peace and God, I'm not gonna try to fight my way. 174 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 3: I'm gonna allow you to step in. And you see, 175 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 3: God says, you're not blessed when you're right. You're not 176 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 3: blessed when you win every argument. He says, the blessing 177 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 3: comes from being a peacemaker. See, there's a blessing on 178 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 3: the other side of that promise. And we've got to 179 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 3: walk in that place of a peacemaker's heart. The Bible 180 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 3: says in Ephesians, it says to bring unity through the spirit, 181 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 3: through the bond of peace. If we're gonna achieve unity, 182 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 3: we're going to have to be active, and we're gonna 183 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 3: have to take the initiative to do what it takes 184 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 3: to make the peace. The scripture says, you know, as 185 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 3: far as it's up to you, the buck stops. There 186 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 3: be at peace with all men. Let's be instruments of peace, 187 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 3: because there's a blessing in the life of a peacemaker. Amen. Amen, 188 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 3: He's an awesome God. 189 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 2: Sometimes the stresses of life can feel like you're just 190 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: getting by. God wants to bless us, but how do 191 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 2: you move from barely enough to just enough to more 192 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 2: than enough. 193 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: We all face difficulties and people that are hard to 194 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: deal with. You can't eliminate all the stress, but if 195 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: you'll handle it the right way, you don't have to 196 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: live stressed out. Much of our frustration is we're trying 197 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: to control things that we can't control, letting things stress 198 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: us that don't have to. 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