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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lilly here with Matt Williams.

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Speaker 1: And we had a little week off there, a little

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Speaker 1: so good stuff. Unfortunately, not a ton is changed in

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Speaker 1: It's football season listening to it here. Uh So, lots

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Speaker 1: marrying his lower body and his upper body. And he's

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Speaker 1: long limbed and if that starts to fade, he could

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Speaker 1: fall off the clip or he could be quite good,

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Speaker 1: and he could be the Steelers. That's quarterback, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. I don't see what's happening, but I

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Speaker 1: don't see that. You know, he is right now in

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Speaker 1: the NFL the the leader and career touchdown rushes players

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Speaker 1: currently active inactive players. He might be the best short

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Speaker 1: yardage runner I've ever seen, certainly the quarterback position. I mean,

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Speaker 1: when you give him that short little area and he

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Speaker 1: just has to pick a hole and you gotta get

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Speaker 1: him on the ground within a yard, good luck doing that.

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Speaker 1: Good luck. But he's right there like Jerome. For the Jets,

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Speaker 1: it's Quinn and Williams. Yes, easy one to me. And

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Speaker 1: I bet he is a Pro bowler this year. And

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Speaker 1: see they list him just as a defensive lineman. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I mean he's a true D tackle. Yeah, and he

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Speaker 1: will be in Robert Salo's thing too. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if beck Then went last year, but he'd be another one. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he did. I don't have I

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Speaker 1: don't know who went or not, but probably he probably didn't. Uh.

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Speaker 1: For the Titans, it's Jeffrey Simmons. Good one. I was

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Speaker 1: about to say when we talked about Williams. I think

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Speaker 1: Williams and Simmons for them, they need bud Dupree to

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Speaker 1: be that. Well, that would be huge for them. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that would be huge for them. Yeah. I always link

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Speaker 1: Williams and Simmons because of the same draft class. I

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Speaker 1: think they're like equally talented. I think both of them

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Speaker 1: are really really good players. So, and he hasn't gone yet,

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Speaker 1: I mean, so that makes sense. The guys also considered,

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Speaker 1: uh here was bud Dupree. Yeah, okay, Devon Bush. Guys,

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Speaker 1: we've talked about Chase Claypool about that. Marcus May that's

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Speaker 1: not bad. Yeah, and they really like him. I almost

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Speaker 1: know for a fact that they preferred May to Adams.

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Speaker 1: He's more he's a safe of safety. Adams is not

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Speaker 1: a safety. And oh, by the way, you can get

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Speaker 1: two first round picks for Adams. I mean they came

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Speaker 1: down even if it wasn't the compensation involved. Who would

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Speaker 1: rather have May or Adams? I think they'd rather may U.

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow could be Jesse Bates. I'm frised he has gone.

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Speaker 1: That's why to bring him up before I assumed he

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Speaker 1: was like one of the few Bengals that have been

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Speaker 1: there You've got a lot of Bengals on air because

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Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson is on here. I don't see that happening.

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Speaker 1: He's like it was the defensive he was kind of

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Speaker 1: like Max Crosby to me, like for him to beat

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Speaker 1: he fell into some some sacks slashes, But he's not.

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Speaker 1: That's not who he is. Is he gonna beat out

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Speaker 1: five best edge guys in the A f C. I

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Speaker 1: just don't know the ceilings high. Noah, I just don't

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Speaker 1: think that's gonna happen it ever put together to that point.

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Speaker 1: John Johnson with the Browns, Okay, good player, high quality safety.

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Speaker 1: But again it's tough, tough, and that's to break that

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Speaker 1: safety market. Yeah, you only they only take three, Yeah, Derwin,

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Speaker 1: James he Mena's and Simmons in Denver. Simmons, good luck,

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Speaker 1: good luck cracking that. Yeah, top three, I mean almost

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Speaker 1: every position stuff. But those could be the three best

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Speaker 1: safe season league, right, Yeah. Absolutely, Baker Mayfield, I don't

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Speaker 1: see that as a possibility. They don't throw the ball

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Speaker 1: in that. I say, I don't know his numbers will

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Speaker 1: be there. I mean, if they win twelve games, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you'll get consideration. But it's even better numbers in

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Speaker 1: Borrow probably not Herbert No, probably not right. I mean

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Speaker 1: number is he gonna have better numbers in tanney Hill?

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Speaker 1: Probably not? No, No. And I think he's on that tier,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, kind of that Kirk Cousins

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Speaker 1: good starter but needs helped here. Yeah. You know a

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Speaker 1: lot of quarterbacks, a lot of quarterback a lot of

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Speaker 1: good quarterbacks. Josh Allen not gonna go to the Pro Bowls. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Uh Johnny Smith. I meant to say him too. In

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Speaker 1: all my fantasy leagues, I've been targeting him because he's

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Speaker 1: super cheap. Right now. I think he's going to be

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Speaker 1: the receiver more than Henry. I think he's gonna lead

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Speaker 1: that team because Henry's Henry is more of the block.

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Speaker 1: He's he's the bigger sized guy. He's the the grond

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Speaker 1: Hernandez comparison isn't really apt, but because neither ones either.

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Speaker 1: But I think john News more of the move after

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Speaker 1: the catch, more dynamic guy. So I've been targeting him,

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Speaker 1: and I just don't I just don't trust Hunter Henry

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Speaker 1: to stay healthy. I mean that's that's a big part

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Speaker 1: of it. I think, you know, when when I see uh,

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Speaker 1: Johnny Smith's just he's just more of a receiver than

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Speaker 1: than Hunter Henry's Hunter Henry is more of an all

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Speaker 1: around tight end. It's a really good player. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure. And I also think we often talked about

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Speaker 1: breakout age and we were talking about this with to it.

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Speaker 1: Johnny Smith to me looks like that guy that's ready

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Speaker 1: to take the next step. He was getting better and

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Speaker 1: better and better each step of the way, and now

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Speaker 1: he might be the number one target where he was

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Speaker 1: the three in Tennessee. You know, so the question is

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Speaker 1: can they get him the football? That's yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: that's that's gonna be the big issue. Ken Cam Newton

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Speaker 1: figure things out throwing the football. I also think those

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Speaker 1: guys would be very Mac Jones friendly. Targets should be,

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Speaker 1: you know, should be how much he's gonna drive it

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Speaker 1: outside the numbers too, you know, receivers on out routes

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Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Yeah, well, I mean the receivers

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Speaker 1: just aren't good. I say that, I don't know that

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Speaker 1: it hurts Jones as much. Yeah, you know that the

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Speaker 1: receivers are dreadful. Yeah, so we'll see. I thought that

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Speaker 1: was an interesting a note there, And I think there's

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Speaker 1: there's several guys there for the Steelers that bus should

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Speaker 1: be great. Bush would be great. My first one. I

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Speaker 1: thought that your two it arguments really strong that he

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Speaker 1: might be the most deserving those receivers are I bet

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Speaker 1: they go to Pro Bowls in their career at some point. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but that's a tough that's a tough nut to crack,

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Speaker 1: is to get onto the Pro Bowl roster at that position. Um,

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Speaker 1: And I mean you'd love to say an offensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: I just don't. I can't paid that route Tray Turner

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Speaker 1: could you know, but he's already gone there. But he's

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Speaker 1: already gone. But I mean, ideally for the Steelers, if

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Speaker 1: Tray Turner goes to the Pro Bowl this year, that's

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Speaker 1: that's great. I mean ideally to me, I was gonna say,

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Speaker 1: Kendrick Green, is that to it guy? There By the

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Speaker 1: end of the season, people are like, Wow, he's a

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Speaker 1: pretty good, pretty good Next year he's on the list,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? That would be, That would be,

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Speaker 1: That would be, But maybe he's ready for the Pro

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Speaker 1: Bowl nomination then you know now you're talking Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: it would be interesting. We'll find out a lot more

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Speaker 1: about this as we move forward. But that's gonna do

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Speaker 1: it for this show. So for my partner Matt Williamson,

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Speaker 1: for Kellen here on site keeping us on the air,

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Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lally. We thank you for listening to this

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Speaker 1: edition of the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio