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Speaker 1: what's going on? Welcome to move the six percented by

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Speaker 1: a r P. Daniel Jeremiah, Bucky Brooks here with you

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Speaker 1: and Buck. I hope everybody had a wonderful Christmas. How

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Speaker 1: you doing, man, Man, I'm great, Man, I am great. DJ.

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Speaker 1: It's that time of year. It's that time for us

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Speaker 1: baseball season, Buck, but we are going to have some

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Speaker 1: a little more of a straight line player, but look,

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00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,320
Speaker 1: he has the juice that you look for at the position.

428
00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,119
Speaker 1: Not our Dabbo was really upset um about Travis not

429
00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,240
Speaker 1: getting um the looks. But I think it's hard because

430
00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:41,920
Speaker 1: the a CEC was down and they didn't have any

431
00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,040
Speaker 1: marquee games that you had to tune in Florida State

432
00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,720
Speaker 1: normally as a marquis game, Florida State is down. Um.

433
00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:48,880
Speaker 1: The only game that was really close was the North

434
00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,760
Speaker 1: Carolina game, and those guys played well. Um. I think

435
00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,840
Speaker 1: with it's he And look, the thing will be when

436
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,040
Speaker 1: we are able to put him in DeAndre Swift and

437
00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,359
Speaker 1: Keisha Vaughan and some of these other guys in the

438
00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,040
Speaker 1: same room on the carpet at the same time and

439
00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,040
Speaker 1: really see what each of them bring in the passing game.

440
00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,240
Speaker 1: You you've talked about his ability to catch swings and screens.

441
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,359
Speaker 1: He he's a problem that speed in the open field

442
00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,080
Speaker 1: is is is something that defensive coordinators will cringe trying

443
00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,120
Speaker 1: to think about how we're gonna slow this guy down.

444
00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,359
Speaker 1: His ability to running aside, run between the tackles. I

445
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:26,120
Speaker 1: want to see how he handles Ohio State's physicality and toughness.

446
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,439
Speaker 1: Is he a guy that can be the steady aye,

447
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,879
Speaker 1: the workhorse, the guy that we can depend on to

448
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,520
Speaker 1: carry it maybe eighteen to twenty two times and get

449
00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 1: us a hundred yards and kind of get stronger as

450
00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,040
Speaker 1: the game goes on. I want to see if he

451
00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,000
Speaker 1: wears down a little bit. But look, it's really good player.

452
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,040
Speaker 1: He has the ability to pop any time, to take

453
00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,840
Speaker 1: it the distance, and so there are a lot of

454
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,359
Speaker 1: eyes on him. And look, you mentioned Isaiah Simmons, So

455
00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,280
Speaker 1: I want to talk about this um Isaiah Simmons is

456
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,960
Speaker 1: a fantastic athlete. He's a former high school track star,

457
00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,840
Speaker 1: like a legitimate track athlete at the second level. Bounced

458
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 1: because it took a while for people to determine what

459
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:06,000
Speaker 1: position he plays, So at linebacker, I want to see

460
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 1: because Ohio State, despite them being a spread team, they

461
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 1: kind of run it at you. I want to see

462
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons hold up against the run game. I want

463
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,400
Speaker 1: to see how he handles that, what he does um

464
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 1: in that aspect of the game. I have not had

465
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 1: a chance yet to watch T Higgins. I feel like

466
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,160
Speaker 1: I've already done a zillion receivers, but I haven't got

467
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:27,120
Speaker 1: the T Higgins yet. Um uh your take on him, man,

468
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 1: Like he's another one of those big, fast, physical guys

469
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 1: like in the Luxury did. I have a lot of

470
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 1: these guys have come through the opening circuits, so I've

471
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,120
Speaker 1: had a chance to watch and work with them kind

472
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 1: of see him as high school athletes and Watchton mature

473
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 1: and T Higgins is potentially a dominant player, and I

474
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 1: believe he's kind of underrated on the major scale just

475
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,119
Speaker 1: because look, there's so many wide receivers that are flashy.

476
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 1: They kind of catch your eye, but this is a height,

477
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 1: weight speed specimen. He is the classic number one receiver

478
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 1: in terms of long rangey, big catch radius, can take

479
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,959
Speaker 1: it off the rim um. Similar but still different than

480
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 1: Mike Williams. Mike Williams was more of a bully on

481
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 1: the outside. I don't see te Higgins in that vein,

482
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 1: but I see him win a lot of contested um

483
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 1: boss on the outside, the back show to phase. He

484
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 1: can do all this stuff. Uh, really good player. I

485
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,680
Speaker 1: don't know if he was as dominant as Mike Williams

486
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,120
Speaker 1: was in this offense, but we're talking about a top

487
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 1: ten player in Mike Williams. Yeah, no doubt. Um, I'm

488
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,359
Speaker 1: looking forward to to seeing him in this contest. And

489
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 1: as we flip it over um to the other side

490
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 1: here buck, Um, it's gonna be going against Ohio State.

491
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,879
Speaker 1: Te Higgins is gonna get Ah, He's gonna get a

492
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 1: look at, in my opinion, the best corner in the

493
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 1: country in Jeffa Couda, who can play in your face

494
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,879
Speaker 1: press coverage. He's still when he plays off, he's loose,

495
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 1: he's fluid. Um, he can really close. Um. I'm a

496
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 1: I'm a big jeff of Couda. Fan. To me, I

497
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 1: think he's a He's the best cover man I've seen

498
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 1: in this draft class. Little man. Uh, we can talk

499
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 1: about these two teams, uh, rivaling for the monica of DBU.

500
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: We've seen so many DBS come from both of these schools. Uh.

501
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 1: When I think about Ohio stating in the DBS that

502
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 1: have come out of there, man, I think it's it's

503
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: safe to say, like, Look, I like Marshawn Lattimore. I

504
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 1: wasn't as high as like some of the crowds. I

505
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 1: think Jeff Okuda maybe the most complete of all of

506
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: those that have come out in recent years in terms

507
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: of his ability to not only play press, but to

508
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: play off, to come up and tackling and do all

509
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 1: those things. I think he checks off all the boxes

510
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 1: at the cornerback position. He is exactly what you look

511
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,959
Speaker 1: for as a classic shutdown corner I think he has

512
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 1: the right mentality, um and everything. So, look, this is

513
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 1: gonna be a fascinating matchup. I want to see him

514
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: take on Tee Higgins and I just can't wait to

515
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 1: see how it plays out. But you're talking about a

516
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 1: guy who is, in my estimation, a top five talent

517
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 1: at the position. A guy who really checks off a

518
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: lot of boxes. And you look at two other corners

519
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: in this game to Seawn Wade, you look at our

520
00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,200
Speaker 1: net Um. Both those guys are top two round players.

521
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 1: Um Waite is a really really smooth athletic nickel. Um

522
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: our Nets physical, a little bit tight, but a real

523
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: good football player. Uh So a great secondary there for

524
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: Ohio State. And then uh, look we've got the two headliners,

525
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 1: the two guys that went to the Heisman Trophy ceremony

526
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: justin fields like much like Trevor Lawrence, we have to

527
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: wait a year. Uh we will not have to wait

528
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: here for Chase Young. No, not not at all. And

529
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: um Chase Young like like this is funny man, because

530
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,479
Speaker 1: and looking at this, I was with the Carolina Panthers

531
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 1: right after they drafted Julius Peppers second overall. And when

532
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: I look at uh Chase Young, and I think back

533
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: to the impact that Julius Pepper said, I can see

534
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 1: Chase Young being that kind of impact player. UM dominant

535
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 1: off the edge, a guy that is easy to envision

536
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: having thirteen fourteen sacks a year. Uh. First step quickness

537
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: combined with length, combined with great technical skills and hands

538
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: and the violence, Um he gets he gets it done

539
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 1: consistently off the edge. And so this is a big

540
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: stage game. This will be the first time that people

541
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 1: will tune in. But I mean, you talk about a

542
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: guy who, in my estimation, is the best prospect in

543
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: this draft class. If he elects to come out, Um,

544
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: I want to see him shine on the biggest stage.

545
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: And I think the playoff games, uh, for me as

546
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 1: an evaluator, I kind of give them uh credit and

547
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: a half. These games matter more because I believe these

548
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: games are more like the NFL football games. They have

549
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: to have a little added weight. And I know that

550
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: we're not supposed to dock people down, but I can't

551
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: help but think, like, look, this game is a little

552
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: more it It adds a little more to your total score.

553
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: So if I see Chase Young or any of these

554
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: guys that we mentioned dominate in these games, I give

555
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: them a little more credit because with everything that is

556
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: on the line, if you can raise your game in

557
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: this kind of environment, speaks volumes about your competitiveness and

558
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: your talent. And to me, it's interesting when you look at, um,

559
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: you know, the Washington Redskins job, potentially that a lot

560
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 1: of people said, Oh, that's not a very attractive job

561
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: if you talked about it a month ago. Now, all

562
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you look at the way Dwayne Haskins

563
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: is playing a little bit better obviously college teammates there

564
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: with Chase Young, and you look at having the number

565
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: two pick and a chance to get Chase Young. Um, Man,

566
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: that's uh, You've got a pretty nice building blocks there

567
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: on each side of the ball going forward. And Chase

568
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: Young to me, um, this is this is just you

569
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: used the phrase the cherry on top a little bit ago. Look,

570
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 1: this is this is the cherry on top of his

571
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: career with these two games potentially. Yeah, because I don't

572
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: know if everyone has paid attention to and everyone um

573
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: and it's easy, um to kind of fall in love

574
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: with the quarterbacks or whatever, but everyone to a man,

575
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: and if you ask on the world, they're talking about

576
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: Chase Young, um being a dominant player, the best player

577
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: in the draft, and that combination. I've heard someone say, like, hey,

578
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: did Julius Peppers von Miller thing in terms of guys

579
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: leaping off the ball, defensive players that could have that

580
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: kind of impact, Chase Young can have a major impact.

581
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: And I'll say this because everyone likes comparisons. I think

582
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 1: the difference between a Chase Young and a Miles Garrett.

583
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: Chase Young, to me was a better football player at

584
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: this stage than Miles Garrett. Myles Yeah, Myles Garrett was

585
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: It was a remarkable athlete and flash and you could

586
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: you could say, like, hey, it's gonna put it together.

587
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 1: Chase Young is a refined football player with the athleticism

588
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,719
Speaker 1: and the other stuff. So if they were in the

589
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 1: same draft class, I would rank Chase Young over Miles Garrett.

590
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 1: And so I just wanted the people to understand, like,

591
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: that's how Chase Young is viewed, and it's got the community.

592
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: Is viewed as a special, special player, and this would

593
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: be a great stage for him to show off his talents. Gosh,

594
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: this feels good to talk about the draft, doesn't it.

595
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, hey, look we can't. We shouldn't go

596
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 1: because look, um, there's another running back, j K. Dobbins

597
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 1: in this game, and j K Dobbins is a pro.

598
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: Like that's the only thing. Like at the bottom of report,

599
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,959
Speaker 1: I was like pro because pro running backs are supposed

600
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: to be able to run it and catch it. They're

601
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: supposed to finish, handle heavy workloads, be able to be

602
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 1: the workhorse when you need it. The last four games

603
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: of the year, we saw j K. Dobbins kind of

604
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: take his game up a notch. This is a guy

605
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: that is kind of underrated a little bit in my estimission,

606
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: on the national scene. This could be his coming out

607
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 1: party for the football world to recognize him as like

608
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: a top top player. I have the same grade on

609
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: him as I have on Swift. So to me, is

610
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: in the next to be the best running back in

611
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: That's the type of love I have for him. He's

612
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: a football player, man, He's just he's He's built for it.

613
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: He has built for it. The way he runs through contact. Um,

614
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: we finishes every run. He can catch the ball out

615
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 1: of the backfield. Now, he's not quite He's not as

616
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: as loose and elusive as Zeke. To me, that's the difference, UM.

617
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: But I do love the fact that just the contact

618
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: power that he possesses. UM, that's when you watch him.

619
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: It's doing NFL games every week, Buck and studying this

620
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: as as we do. UM, this is what plays, you know,

621
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: this is what plays at the next level. Pro man.

622
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: He is a pro. UM. When I look at him

623
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: in a weird way. DJ like is crazy because look,

624
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: this guy was drafted late, late, later, but he's played

625
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: exceptional level A little Kareem hunt ish in my mind

626
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: in terms of like how he how he plays, like

627
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: like kind of physical kind of you talked about it like,

628
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: and I think the way that you said man built

629
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: for it, he is built for it. And I think

630
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: you could use similar things last year when you talked

631
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: about Josh Jacobs, like, yeah, I don't know all about

632
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: all the statts, but when I look at him, he's

633
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: built to play the game. And I think j K. Dobbins,

634
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: j K Dobbins is built like that, no doubt. Um

635
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: all right, Buck, one game, one NFL game, that's the

636
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: big game of the week before we get to our

637
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,719
Speaker 1: conversation and my chat with Chris Rose. Niners Seahawks. It's

638
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: really the game that matters this weekend, um Man. I

639
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Speaker 1: I know what's on the road. I know it's a

640
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: tough place to play. I know it's a divisional opponent.

641
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: I know the Seahawks already beat the forty Niners. I

642
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: just can't see the forty Niners losing this football game, Buck,

643
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,719
Speaker 1: I mean, right now, I would have to say, like

644
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: on paper, in reality did a better team with what

645
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: they have available? That front line is down and when

646
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: you match up there front their defensive front line versus

647
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: the Seahawks off the line, you wonder how Setyall is

648
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: gonna be able to block them. Then you go without

649
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: any of the running backs, how they're gonna be able

650
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: to stave off the path rush from Russell Wilson when

651
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: they can't establish the run. And I know Marshawn Lynch

652
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: is coming back, but I don't know what kind of

653
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: impact he'll have. Um to me, this is a game

654
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: where we can recognize the Niners is the best team

655
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: in the NFC if they can pull this off. And

656
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: I know the Saints are playing better, but man, when

657
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: I look at the Niners, there's something different about them.

658
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: I feel like they are a team that has uh

659
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: a million type style where it doesn't matter who they play,

660
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: how they play. They can they can blend. If you

661
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: want to get rough and rugged, they can do that.

662
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: The only question mark that I have is defensively. They

663
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: have been struggling in the last couple of weeks. A

664
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: lot of points, a lot of guys crossing the goal

665
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: line on this team, and I don't know if they've

666
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: caught up to Robert Sola scheme, but the defense has

667
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: to play better if they're gonna be heavyweight contenders. But

668
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: this is one that I think the Niners should take

669
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Speaker 1: care of business on the road. Quick question for you, Buck,

670
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: who's the best offensive player on the San Francisco forty Niners?

671
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: George Kittle catches the football for him? Who didn't play

672
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: in the first meeting between these two. Yeah, George Kittle

673
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: didn't play in the game. Didn't play in the game,

674
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: and you look, it was a difference. It's a big

675
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: but it's not even the passing game. When you look

676
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: at the Niners stats with George Kittle on the field

677
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: in the run game, for a team that likes to

678
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: run on the edges and they like to run off

679
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: tackle and on the perimeter, his ability to win and

680
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: seal the edges is advantageous for the Niners. George Kittle

681
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: playing could be the difference in this. I'm going with

682
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: the Niners in this. I think the Niners haven't a man.

683
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: If the Niners get the number one seed, man just

684
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: fast winning manners a Niners Saints championship game. Sign me

685
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: up for that one. That'd be fun. Maybe a rematch,

686
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: a little dual rematch of Niners Ravens, not only a

687
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: rematch from earlier this year, but a rematch from the

688
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: Super Bowl a few years back. So, uh, just to

689
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: see what happens there. Niners and Seahawks absolutely the biggest

690
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: game on the NFL slate. Alright, Buck, I teased a

691
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: little bit earlier, had a chance to catch up with

692
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: our good buddy Chris Rose at the baseball Winter Meetings,

693
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Speaker 1: And uh, I thought you guys would enjoy this conversation

694
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,479
Speaker 1: with our good buddy Roser. Here you go, how are

695
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: we doing? Harried Brown's Uh, we'll get there, But how

696
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: are you doing? These are my world's colliding right here?

697
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: Like this is it? Um? I've got my football buddy

698
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: here right in the middle of my baseball world at

699
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: the winner meetings. So should see me? You see me downstairs?

700
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: Because people it's so great. It's like they see me,

701
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: they kind of know who I am, but you're out

702
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: of place. It's like watching somebody trying to solve a

703
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: crossword prole right in front of your eyes, and it

704
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: is awesome. Yeah. Well, but here's the thing. I don't

705
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: know if I've told you this before, but baseball in

706
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: September now, everybody that plays baseball is a huge NFL fan,

707
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: and they all have these fantasy teams right like they

708
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: have all the draft in late August or what have you.

709
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: They all get dressed up in their jerseys and the team,

710
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: you know, and they kill each other for the picks.

711
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: And there's certain guys who think they actually could be

712
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: NFL g ms and all that sort of stuff. Go

713
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: watch a Sunday for just a second. In the baseball world,

714
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: when they pan the dugout, nobody is there because they're

715
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: all checking how they're fantasy teams or whatever else they

716
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: may be doing. In the football world, they all run

717
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: to the clubhouse to go see what's going on. So

718
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: they just, I mean, they all love it so for

719
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: you know, for you to be walking around, they're like,

720
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: there he is. It's no, It's like I know, I know,

721
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: I don't know the name, but it looks familiar. Don't

722
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: quite can't put a finger on it. Get to the

723
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: Browns Rose, What are we thinking here? It's been really

724
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: disappointing on so many levels. Not because I thought that

725
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: they were gonna necessarily get to the Super Bowl or

726
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: heck even win the division. I mean I told him

727
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: the beginning of the year that I felt like the

728
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: division was really strong between Baltimore and Pittsburgh, and then

729
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: when Big Ben got hurt, I thought maybe they were

730
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: going to be cast by the way aside. But Tomlin

731
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: has done a great job. But with the Browns, the

732
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: disappointing thing is that their offense has taken such a

733
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: huge step back, such a huge step back. And the

734
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: thing that made them so much fun over the last

735
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: seven games of ten was, for the first time in decades,

736
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: Cleveland's offense seemed to have like a rhythm to it.

737
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: There was a fluidity. We felt like we had the

738
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: quarterback for the first time since Bernie Costar was a

739
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: competent quarterback. I mean, that's no joke, like that goes

740
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: a long way back. It goes a long way back.

741
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: And that has it's just been like grinding gears watching

742
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: them play on offense. You know, they've played behind the

743
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: sticks so much. It's not a lot of penalties, but

744
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: behind the sticks, right the defense has not played well.

745
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: I thought that there were times where the defense would

746
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: have to win them games and and they haven't. I

747
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: mean well, your secondary finally gets healthy. Miles Garrett's gone

748
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 1: for them, right, And that was I mean, I was shocked.

749
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: I was like, I cannot believe are you watching that

750
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: game live? When of course I was. I watched every

751
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: you know, every game. I want to get inside your

752
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: living room or wherever you were watching it was, I

753
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 1: was watching. It was interesting. So I was watching it

754
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: with my wife and our youngest son, and my oldest

755
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: son was a freshman in college and he calls me

756
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: the minute it happened because he was watching with all

757
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: his buddies. He goes to school in Ohio, and he

758
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, what, like what happened? And I was like,

759
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: I can't explain it. I have no idea. And it's

760
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: just it's continued with this pattern of non discipline on

761
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: so many levels, including the coaching, the players, and there's

762
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: just been a real lack of accountability. And I think

763
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 1: that unfortunately, like for the first time, we felt like

764
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: we were pointed in the right direction with the right

765
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: personnel guy in charge. We didn't know about the coach,

766
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: but we felt like we had the quarterback and the

767
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: talent to compete. And now I think everybody's got to

768
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: take a big step back and feel like what pieces

769
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: of the right ones and which ones do we have

770
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: to move on from? Maturity employees were kind of the

771
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: two words came back to, if they can, if they

772
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: can get those two areas addressed. Nick Chubb is a

773
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: stud You've got so many pieces on all three levels

774
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: of the defense to you know, potentially be a dominant

775
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: group on that side of the ball. I agree with you,

776
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna say, well, I I told you so.

777
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: But the minute they made the trade for Odell, I

778
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: was excited because we've had so few superstars in the

779
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: history of Cleveland sports since I've been alive. I mean,

780
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: you're talking about Lebron, Mark Price, really good player, not

781
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: a superstar. I mean, does Dory Dory make the list?

782
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: He does not, But I mean the the Indians have

783
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: had some good like Francisco Lindor is very close to

784
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: the superstar status in the in this sport, But there

785
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: haven't been a lot. And I think there's a reason.

786
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: I think it really doesn't. The city doesn't lend itself

787
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: to superstar status. We're just kind of a the city

788
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: that we always have a chip on our shoulder. We

789
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: feel like people are talking bad about us one team

790
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: as Michael Jordan. You have craigyl right exactly. He's still

791
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: trying to stop having at him. Guy. I was at

792
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 1: that game, were you really? I was at by Michael

793
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: Jordan's section rot sets. That was a I was a

794
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: senior in high school. Wait eighty, Yeah, I was a

795
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: seeder senior in high school. So I actually that was

796
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: the same day I got my first speeding ticket. I

797
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: was going to I was going to pick up my

798
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 1: girlfriend at the time, by the way, not worth speeding

799
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: four and we ended up going to the game, and

800
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: I kid you not at the end here did you cry? No?

801
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: I didn't cry, and I was just kind of like numb.

802
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: And afterwards I run out into the concourse and I

803
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: started leading a chance. I was like, here we go, Brownies,

804
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: here we go. Because we bypassed Indians season at that time,

805
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: that stuff didn't matter because they were so bad. That

806
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: is a great story. I was also at the drive

807
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: Were you by John Ellen? Gosh? Yeah, sec in your history? Yes? Uh,

808
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: section thirty seven, row two, seat one on that one.

809
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: That was one time where I actually after Brian Brennan

810
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: caught the touchdown to put the Browns up forty third

811
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: team with you know whatever, forty eight to go. I

812
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: remember saying my hand. I was like, oh my god,

813
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 1: we're going to the super Bowl. Like you allowed yourself

814
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: to go that I did. I was like, we are

815
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: going to the super Bowl. And then of course, you

816
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: know he was pretty good. Yeah. I asked him years later,

817
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: John Elway, when he came on Best Sam, I said, well,

818
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a Browns fan. Is there anything you'd

819
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 1: like to say? We want to apologize? He's like, not really.

820
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, it sounds about right, sounds perfect. Thanks. John.

821
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,479
Speaker 1: We've had a We've had a great day here meeting

822
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: with a bunch of different people in this sport, and

823
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: I'm learning a lot about how you're building teams, constructing organizations.

824
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: Which the difference the main difference with NFL and MLB

825
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: in terms of the personnel side, it's really an organization

826
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: when you think about all the different levels you have

827
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: to get up and and having that same message kind

828
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: of permeate throughout the entire organization. As a challenge these

829
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: guys have in building that entire operation. Well, I mean

830
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 1: when you look at it, when we cover the NFL Draft,

831
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: we as ends as well. We sit there and we say, boy,

832
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: how can that guy help us next year? You know

833
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: where we ended up winning seven games, but maybe that

834
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: guy pushes us to a level where we're at eight

835
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: or nine. And you know, you can't think that way

836
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: in baseball. You just can't do it. There's there aren't

837
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 1: guys who you draft. Now. We do tend to see

838
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 1: what we've seen over the last five years. These guys

839
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: make such a rapid move to the major league level.

840
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: You're seeing guys that are twenty and twenty one not

841
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: only contribute but be stars at this level. So it's

842
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: you know, it's becoming a little bit more like the

843
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: NFL draft in from that standpoint, like if we draft

844
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 1: a college pitcher, can he have one year of seasoning

845
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: and he can help us the year after he gets drafted.

846
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: They don't want to give away the innings. I mean,

847
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: if you only got some rights in yeah, your mind

848
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 1: as will make him count totally totally. So that's why

849
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: we've kind of seen the pendulum swing a little bit

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Speaker 1: more toward college pitchers being drafted very high. One of

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Speaker 1: one of the executives we talked to today said Kyler

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00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: he would have been a great baseball player. He was

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00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: in on him. He was, you know a lot of

854
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Speaker 1: time during that time, remember a bunch of people saying, ah,

855
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: maybe the A's had reached for him as a baseball

856
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: player more of a project than anything else. I don't remember.

857
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: It was adamant about the fact he would have been

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Speaker 1: a great player. What was the consensus if we go

859
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: back in time during that decision for Kyler Murray. Well,

860
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: I talked to two different personnel people in the baseball

861
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: world when we were trying to wrap our hands around

862
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: the Murray decision. You know what was it eleven months

863
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: ago or so, and they both said, not only did

864
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: he A's not make a mistake, but he could have

865
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Speaker 1: gone number one in that draft, that's how good he was.

866
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: You know that They felt like, you know, he had

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Speaker 1: a great swing, that he was going to be a

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00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: super plus defender in the outfield, he was going to

869
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: chase everything down in a pretty spacious outfield, and obviously

870
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: had an amazing arm. Yeah, so you know all the

871
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: rest of the stuff. Would we could teach you the

872
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: rest exactly. That's fascinating, Yep, the difference. I'll leave you

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Speaker 1: this one because I'm just curious spending so much time

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00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: in both worlds. Is there some thing that a successful

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00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: manager has in baseball that you see as a successful

876
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: head coach in football because it's such a different job,

877
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: totally different, But is there one thing that carries over

878
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: to both. I don't know, if you know. Community communication

879
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: is one of the things that is that's the big

880
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: thing that you're talking about. I mean, you're dealing with

881
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 1: with grown men. And in the baseball world has changed

882
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: significantly in the last five years with the way analytics

883
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: are applied and a lot of that, for better or worse,

884
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: it means that more and more players are becoming I'm

885
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: not gonna say bit players, but at least platoon guys

886
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: when they're not raised to be that way, and so

887
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: they don't understand why is it beneficial that I'm not

888
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: playing here? And so it's really the manager's job to

889
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: take that information. And I imagine that when it comes

890
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: to the NFL as well, there's a lot of that

891
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: that that has to cross over. I mean, I think

892
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: I find it fascinating is we learn more and more

893
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,720
Speaker 1: about what's going on in the NFL analytically, and particularly

894
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: when we listened to the Baltimore Ravens and John Harbaugh

895
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: where they've got the twenty five year old kid from

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00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: Yale who's you know, helping them with probabilities. And that's

897
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: a huge thing, right, Like, why we're sitting here and wait,

898
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: you're going for it on fourth and one of your

899
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: old forty four with four and a half minutes to go.

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00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: That's insane at a high game. Why would you do that? Well,

901
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: because the analytics say that we have a better shot

902
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: of winning the game here by going for it than

903
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: if we punt. The other thing, the other thing that

904
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: the analytics tell me is you've got Marshall yonda right guard.

905
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: You've got Lamar Jackson and mark Ingram and chances are

906
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: pretty good. I didn't need to consult a math book

907
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: or a calculator to figure that one out. I think

908
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: those odds are in your favorite I'm with you on that.

909
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: But five years ago, if you make that play, oh

910
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: you're an idiot. People are kicking and screaming. At least

911
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 1: now there's a thought process. I think the twenty five

912
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: year old kid from Yale's the fall guy in case

913
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: it's every guy's wrong. That's what it is. It's like

914
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: John Harbas and Josh, that's the twenty five year old

915
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: kid from Yale. That's not hardbus called. That's a fall guy.

916
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: Is that's not a bad idea. It's always important to

917
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: make the ivy leaguers and fall guys. There go in.

918
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: We talked Brown. So last thing before we wrap up

919
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: here from the from the base I'm selfish, um a,

920
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: do we have potentially and not yet, but potentially the

921
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 1: best player in baseball? Potentially? Yeah, I'm such a huge fan.

922
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: Is if if I'm buying stock into a single baseball player,

923
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: it's Fernando Taties. Now you hear that? Hear that does

924
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: the injury like the back bother me at age twenty

925
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 1: when he's hurting already. Yes, it's particularly at that position

926
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 1: because that is the most demanding position the ways. Yeah,

927
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just funny. I had never seen somebody

928
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,439
Speaker 1: tag up from the infield before ever. He did it twice,

929
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: and he did it twice, and I was like, you

930
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: gotta be kidding me. So he's he's awesome having fun

931
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: this week Here's Yeah, it is. But we've learned. You know,

932
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: some of the things when you when you're talking to

933
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: people in personnel it doesn't matter the sport, and you

934
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: start talking about kind of the scouting aspect of it,

935
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: they light up like a Christmas tree because we're all

936
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: we've all stayed in crappy hotels, we've all found a

937
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: player we love, we've all been right, we've all been wrong,

938
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 1: and there's like a connection that's kind of cool. Right,

939
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: you end up having with these guys even though we

940
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 1: don't know each other. Um different sports, but there's still

941
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: something there's been fun. Did Dero ask you about his Cowboys?

942
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: Because the first question I asked him was why are

943
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: your cowboy family? Yeah? You don't hear many people with

944
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: that accent that root for the Cowboys, Like, well, you know,

945
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: the household all giants fans And I had to go

946
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: opposite of my brother and so now I'm a huge

947
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: of the God they're so disappointing. Years we've had Jason Garrett,

948
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: he's not happening. You gotta get him out. Great, that

949
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: is fantastic. How about the last thing they'll let you go?

950
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: Give me your Bruce Bocci. Bruce Bocci on his decision

951
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: to walk away from baseball, go, well, we uh, you know,

952
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: over twenty five years, I was in the uh in

953
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: the dugout, and I was the luckiest guy. I just

954
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: I had a phenomenal time, and and Diego and San

955
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: Francisco where I coached Buster and mad Bum and uh

956
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:11,439
Speaker 1: Pablo and uh you know, I got the largest head

957
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: of anybody you've ever seen except for the floats and

958
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:19,720
Speaker 1: the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade. But yeah, it was special, DJ,

959
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: it was special. That's that's it. That's it. I'll go fantastic.

960
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: Buck his his Bruce Bocci impression. I think it might

961
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: be the best impression I've ever heard. I don't know

962
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: how much you've heard Bruce Bocci talk, but that is

963
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: exactly what it sounds like. Look, man, Rosa. Rosa is

964
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: a very talented broadcast of Dad. Impression was was outstanding.

965
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 1: I think I think the big thing, like whenever we

966
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: talked to the Roads is just the ups and downs

967
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Speaker 1: of the Cleveland Browns, and being a Browns fan, my

968
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: heart goes out to him, uh, the Rocuster ride that

969
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 1: he's been on since his childhood, because I know this

970
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: was the year that everyone everyone thought that Cleveland Browns

971
00:45:58,280 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: were gonna make some noise. So it has to be

972
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: disappointed for no doubt. But he's still got a smile

973
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: on his face. Because that's our Chris Rose. We love

974
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: him the death. That's always fun to have him on

975
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: the show. All right, Buck, we're wrapping this thing up.

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Speaker 1: Anything you want to add before we get out of here. No,

977
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: that was great, man. I'm looking forward to these games man,

978
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: this type of podcast that that I love. Man like

979
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: man that we're getting into the wheelhouse we begin to

980
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: talk about these guys in the draft. I'm really excited

981
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: uh to kind of talk about them even more. We'll

982
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: get a chance to uh to catch up next week.

983
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: Looking forward to that. We're gonna have our episode next

984
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 1: week with which is the best of our coaching conversations

985
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: about building culture. Uh. We're gonna roll that out next week.

986
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Speaker 1: I hope you guys will be on the lookout for that.

987
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: It's gonna be one of our our best podcasts we've

988
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: ever done. All Right, Thank you guys so much for

989
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: checking us out. Thanks to the Bill for producing this

990
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: bad boy. UH that is going to do it for

991
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Speaker 1: it for us. Thank you so much for listening. To

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