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Speaker 2: It feels like the NBA Finals were yesterday and here

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Speaker 2: In addition to diving into a year round, he also

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Speaker 2: it's an incredible Uh, it's just an incredible process that

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Speaker 2: Before we we uh, before we started the show, that

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Speaker 2: And obviously you're a lot more well connected, and it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for having me. I mean, the big thing

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Speaker 2: according to DraftKings, Zachary Versace is the heavy favorite.

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Speaker 3: This is the easiest way for me to explain it.

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Speaker 3: This NBA draft is all about informed bets.

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Speaker 3: You're trying to think about this in terms of bets,

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Speaker 2: Well, in the ruthless world of sports, that is how

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Speaker 3: away with an offer. There's just so many different variables

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Speaker 3: But Donovan Klingon went in there, had a great workout

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what I had mentioned the fit, I was more

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Speaker 2: What I like about the Alex sarfit is like it

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Speaker 2: makes sense, Like you think of Jalen Johnson and Alex

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Speaker 2: right now, Alex Sar is not good enough offensively to

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Speaker 2: Things that I'm one of the reasons why I'm higher

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Speaker 2: It doesn't cause me any major concerns. And the main

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Speaker 3: The name that I've gotten mostly connected there is Sar.

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Speaker 3: it's all it's all in flashes though right now with

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Speaker 3: Alex it's not you know, this is not chet Holmgrin.

434
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 3: When chet Holmgren came out Againzaga, I was like, this

435
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 3: is the most like anticipatory big defender that I've evaluated.

436
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,679
Speaker 3: Like he just doesn't have Victor's tools, right, you know,

437
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 3: Victor is foot four with an eight foot standing reach,

438
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 3: which gives him this like immense margin for error. But

439
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 3: like Chet's anticipation defensively is unbelievable for a guy that is,

440
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 3: you know, seven foot with seven foot five winspan. And

441
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 3: then on offense, he's a forty three point shooter at

442
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 3: Gonzaga who could like grab and go on the break

443
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 3: and like be functional with his balance and coordination. Like

444
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 3: Alex isn't any of that yet, but he has potential

445
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,439
Speaker 3: to get to a point where he is like a

446
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 3: fifteen point you know, eight rebound, you know ree assists

447
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 3: per game guy that's also a really high level defender

448
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,640
Speaker 3: with like all defense level upside because of how much

449
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 3: ground he can cover on the weak side. And I

450
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 3: think even in switch scenario down the road.

451
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love how aggressive he is in ball screens too,

452
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 2: Like one of my biggest pet peeves watching bigs defend

453
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 2: in ball screens. This used to always kill me with

454
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 2: Daniel Gafford when I was scouting him. But when the

455
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 2: Mavericks got him where it's almost like they just they

456
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 2: almost find themselves in no man's land where they're not

457
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 2: bothering the ball handler or bothering the roll man in

458
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 2: any way, shape or form, like what And he gets

459
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 2: burned for it sometimes. But I like how Alex is

460
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 2: aggressive on the ball handler. And one of the reasons

461
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 2: why I think that could be beneficial is, like, especially

462
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 2: against certain types of teams with the guards are a

463
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,919
Speaker 2: little hesitant to make those passes or when they struggle

464
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 2: to make those passes. His length, being aggressive in ball

465
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 2: screens I think could be useful. I think he does

466
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 2: have a pretty damn high floor, which is why it

467
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 2: made sense to me that you had him at number one.

468
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 2: Like he's going to be a solid NBA center. It's

469
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Speaker 2: just a question of whether or not he has that

470
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Speaker 2: true upside, and obviously only time will tell. As you said,

471
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Speaker 2: it's an informed gamble. So number two on your big board,

472
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 2: you had Reed Shepherd out. Obviously he had that rough

473
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 2: game in the NCAA tournament, but he had just a

474
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 2: historic shooting season at Kentucky. I was really fascinated reading

475
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 2: in your draft guide his his background and just the

476
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 2: pedigree that he came from, and just like, just like

477
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 2: that's crazy. His dad was the most outstanding player in

478
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 2: the NCAA tournament back in ninety eight, was it ninety eight?

479
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:29,360
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, like that, that is crazy. He's Kentucky royalty.

480
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 2: Like it's the easiest way to put it, like he

481
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 2: is University of Kentucky royalty. Like his dad, Jeff is

482
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 2: one of the like beloved players in the University of

483
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Speaker 2: Kentucky's basketball history, and his mom, Stacey is like one

484
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 2: of you know when she retire, you know, stopped playing

485
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 2: at Kentucky. I think she was like one of the

486
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 2: ten best players in University of Kentucky history.

487
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 3: Like it's crazy.

488
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's what you had in the bios.

489
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 2: She's a top I think she's like top ten all

490
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 2: time in scoring at Kentucky, which is crazy. So I

491
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,199
Speaker 2: do you read in my brief little film session I

492
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 2: did with him, I kind of view him as a

493
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: guy that I think could be a really good fifth,

494
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 2: like fifth best player on a good team, just because

495
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 2: he does everything really well, functions within a team really well.

496
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: Just a deadly shooter from all these different ranges. He's

497
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 2: got the ability to get shots off from every kind

498
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 2: of footwork, Like he can hop into it, he can

499
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,719
Speaker 2: left right, he can right left, he can come off

500
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 2: the movie, he can go off the bouts. Like, there's

501
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,239
Speaker 2: so much that he can do creatively a little bit.

502
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 2: Ausa reeves in there with some of the creative rise

503
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 2: and fire stuff from the fifteen to eighteen foot range.

504
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 2: Where where do you see? Where do you want him

505
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 2: to go? Where do you expect him to end up?

506
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: Yeah?

507
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 3: So I like the idea of him in Hugiston personally,

508
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 3: when I look at that young Houston core, I see

509
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 3: you know, Amen Thompson, Jabari Smith, Jalen Green, Tari Eason,

510
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 3: you know Cam Whittmore certainly I think deserves to be

511
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 3: mentioned in that group. And then Alfred Shengun of course,

512
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 3: is like their you know center that you know could

513
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 3: be an All Stars soon as next season. And the

514
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 3: one thing that I think they're missing there is like

515
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 3: a super high level shooter at the end of the day,

516
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 3: getting read to like operate in dribble handoffs with Aupura

517
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 3: and Shngun like that would be disgusting to me. I

518
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 3: also think Reid like really fits well with a men

519
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,239
Speaker 3: Thompson in terms of like having that secondary playmaker out

520
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:19,479
Speaker 3: there if you want to try and make a man

521
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 3: a point guard, which is what he was drafted as,

522
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Speaker 3: even though this year he played kind of more on

523
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 3: the wing and like even in the front court at

524
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 3: times after sheng Gun went down. I think that Reed

525
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 3: just makes a ton of sense for them as like

526
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 3: a connector and is the kind of guy that helps

527
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 3: you win. I think that his anticipation defensively is just

528
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 3: like outstanding. He has physical tools that are very limiting.

529
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 3: He is six foot one, not super long in terms

530
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 3: of his uh, you know, arm length or anything. He

531
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 3: has like a six three six four wingspan something like that.

532
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 3: But he blocked shots. You know, he has a forty

533
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 3: inch vertical leap and he blocked like point seven shots

534
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 3: this year, which is a crazy number for a guy

535
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 3: that measured in just under six foot two. He is

536
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 3: somebody that like really scrambles well on the back line defensively,

537
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 3: Like he makes these crazy like scramble reads where he'll

538
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 3: just like force steals at a super high level. And

539
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 3: one thing that like I've watched a lot of recently,

540
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 3: and we'll talk about this when we talk about Devin Carter.

541
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: Two.

542
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 3: I know that you are a fan of after watching

543
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 3: his tape. The degree to which you can space the court,

544
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 3: not just in terms of percentage, but in terms of

545
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 3: how far away you can actually shoot from. That is

546
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 3: really important to me, if only because if you don't

547
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,239
Speaker 3: have these immense athletic tools or an immense bag of

548
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 3: like tricks where you're crossing dudes up. I think that

549
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 3: being able to shoot from thirty feet is kind of

550
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 3: a differentiator because It gives you so much more space

551
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 3: to operate away from help defense. If you can change

552
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 3: pace and you can shoot from thirty feet, it's just

553
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 3: hard to stay in front of guys just point blank.

554
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 3: At this point in the NBA, Reid made fifty percent

555
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 3: of his threes from beyond what is the number here?

556
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 3: I have from beyond twenty seven feet this year, So,

557
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 3: like crazy, I kind of think that you're gonna have

558
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 3: to account for him in such a real way. It's

559
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 3: kind of like Tyrese Haliburton, right, Tyre's Halliburton has that

560
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,959
Speaker 3: kind of funky load into his shot.

561
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: So what did he do?

562
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 3: He just learned how to shoot from thirty feet at

563
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 3: the end of the day, and that's how he became

564
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 3: so valuable as like a floor space there and then

565
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 3: allowed him to use his passing ability and take advantage

566
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 3: and really get into the teeth of the defense and

567
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 3: spray the ball out. I'm not saying that Reid is

568
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 3: that as a passer. I don't think he is. I

569
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 3: think Read's the best transition passer in this draft class.

570
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 3: But in terms of like half court reads, I think

571
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 3: he's still figuring it out. But I also think that

572
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 3: like that shooting gravity gives him way more upside than

573
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 3: what people are thinking in the class when mixed with

574
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 3: the fact that he can also handle the ball.

575
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: I like the Houston Fit a lot too, just because

576
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 2: I imagine with them playing a lot with pace and with

577
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 2: all their athletes in transition. I loved watching his footage

578
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 2: at Kentucky operating in transition, where like everyone's kind of

579
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 2: scattered and that's when he can really get into some

580
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 2: nifty footwork and dribble combinations and to pull up three

581
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 2: point shots. And I just imagine defense is reacting to

582
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: him there and then just athletes running around him and

583
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 2: him being able to find those reads. I enjoyed watching

584
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: him today.

585
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 3: Or even even better with that real quick or a

586
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 3: men Thompson like sprints down the court all the way

587
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 3: and then you've just got Reed Shepherd like trailing and

588
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 3: sprang out to the wings, right. Yeah, Like it's just

589
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 3: it's really synergistic in the way it would work. I think.

590
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, the thirty footers two are great when you get

591
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: to be old like me, that's how you that's how

592
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: you play lazy basketball. You're you're six six and you

593
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: shoot thirty foot three point shots and you don't have

594
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 2: to worry about landing on someone's ankle.

595
00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: Okay, so uh.

596
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 2: Stefan Kass from Yukon famously was being left wide open

597
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 2: in the tournament but making some making making him pay

598
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: hit a couple of them. I really enjoyed watching him too.

599
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 2: It's kind of there were some fun players I enjoyed watching.

600
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: There's some fun players in this in this draft. The

601
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 2: to me, Stefan Castle kind of reminds me of like

602
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 2: a bigger version of Jalen Hood Chafino, if that makes sense,

603
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 2: in the sense that like he's very it's very pace

604
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: pace heavy. I know, I know, but you gotta remember,

605
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: like like I've I that that burned me too.

606
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,719
Speaker 1: It's a whole other thing. But uh uh.

607
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 2: The what I mean by that is, like I he

608
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 2: reminded me of Jalenhod Chafino when I was scouting him

609
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 2: last year, where it's like the jumpers, the big question mark,

610
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: more of like a power methodical put you in jail,

611
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 2: kind of operate from the short range kind of area,

612
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 2: deadly hook and floater, short jump shot, that sort of thing,

613
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: but just a way better version of him. And the

614
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 2: main reason why I think his footwork is better. I

615
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: think he's got more counter moves in that short to

616
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: mid range that allows him to operate. And like, honestly,

617
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: like I didn't see anything with his jump shot. He's

618
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: a little down in front of the face, a little

619
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 2: bit of a long load, but I think that can

620
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 2: be worked out in time. I'm I'm pretty high on

621
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: Stefan Castle. I saw you had him way up at

622
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 2: third on your list. Where do you see him ending up?

623
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 3: I'm really glad that you brought up the shot because

624
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 3: you know, you mentioned that, like he has like the

625
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 3: load up here and then like it comes up and

626
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 3: it's kind of a funky shot, and he has like

627
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 3: a little bit of a hitch kind of at the top.

628
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 3: I think that that's mostly when he's kind of going

629
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 3: to his left. I think when he's going to his left,

630
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 3: because like most right handed shooters right just more comfortable

631
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 3: stepping back to their left or kind of you know,

632
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 3: drifting to their left a little bit, just helps them

633
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 3: get into rhythm a little bit easier. But with him,

634
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 3: what I see is he drifts a little bit too

635
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 3: far to his left, and I think it kind of

636
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 3: like throws off his grat like center of balance. And everything,

637
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 3: And I think the SHOT's a little bit hitchier when

638
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 3: he's going to his right. He tends to take those

639
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 3: shots off the hop, and I think that, like it

640
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 3: just looks way cleaner, And I think that everything like

641
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 3: kind of tracks a little bit easier. And if I

642
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 3: was an organization kind of working through his shot, like

643
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 3: I would love to just you know, kind of with

644
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 3: his shot prep and like you know, getting into the

645
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 3: shot and his load into it, just like start having

646
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 3: him take things off the hop a little bit more.

647
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 3: Like he does this a one to two step from

648
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 3: the left side, take it off the hop in the right, Like,

649
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 3: I just think it looks cleaner, uh, going off the hop.

650
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 3: But in terms of where I see him going, you know,

651
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 3: san Antonio has been connected with him, you know, for

652
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 3: a while now, you know, for a couple of months.

653
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 3: It feels like that is a situation that everyone would

654
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 3: be like pretty amenable to in terms of both san

655
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 3: Antonio and Castle's camp. If you know, there was somebody

656
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 3: who fell to number four, Like if Red Shepherd got there,

657
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 3: I think it would be a question. If Rissuschet got

658
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 3: to four, I think it'd be a real question. But

659
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 3: and then I think the Castle would very likely probably

660
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 3: go six at the latest. You know, maybe eight would

661
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 3: be the latest, let's say, because I would be surprised

662
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 3: if he would get beyond the San Antonio second pick

663
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 3: at number eight, right. But somewhere in that four to

664
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 3: eight range, I would say is where Steph will end up.

665
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 3: I think that you kind of hit the down on

666
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 3: the head in terms of what the offense is. I

667
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 3: think he's a really sharp passer. If you'd even go

668
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 3: back to his high school stuff, you can see some

669
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 3: like really impressive ball screen reps utilizing his passing ability

670
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 3: where he'd hit skip passes pretty well and he'd be

671
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 3: able to really really be able to get downhill out

672
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 3: of that screen and maintain that advantage, kind of like

673
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 3: you mentioned keeping guys in jail, kind of on his

674
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 3: hip and everything. The big question is the shot though.

675
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 3: And the other thing I will say is I don't

676
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 3: know if I think of him as an all defense

677
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 3: level defender, but I think of him as this incredible

678
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 3: chess piece defender who is kind of above average doing

679
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 3: every assignment on defense. Like they had him in the tournament.

680
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 3: Guard Marks, who was an All American point guard at

681
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 3: the point of attack and just make his life miserable.

682
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 3: You know, they had him guard produce point guard Braydon

683
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 3: Smith throughout the season. They would have him like Chase

684
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 3: Baylor Shireman, another potential first round pick this year, off

685
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 3: of screens because you know, Creyton just ran Baylor off

686
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 3: of screens constantly. They would have him guard like true

687
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 3: off guards, like scoring guards and things like that, as

688
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 3: opposed to winings. I think he can guard fours with

689
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 3: how physical and strong he is. There's just a lot

690
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 3: of versatility in what his role can be on defense,

691
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 3: and I think that, particularly in San Antonio, it would

692
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 3: be really valuable to have somebody like that next to

693
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 3: Victor wen Binyama, next to Devin Vessel, particularly as well,

694
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 3: because Vassell looked like a guy who's going to be

695
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 3: a really good defender coming out of Florida State, and

696
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 3: it just hasn't really happened at this point for him.

697
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 3: In the NBA, I would love to get somebody like

698
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 3: Steph Castle in there that can like just take on

699
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 3: a lot of different assignments, and you know, hopefully the

700
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 3: offensive game just continues to grow and develop.

701
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 2: So we're gonna move to a little bit more of

702
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 2: a rapid fire format here because as usual, Sam, we

703
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: just have a tendency to go for a very long time.

704
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: And I know, I said, it's.

705
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 3: So funny you like you like complained. No, you didn't complain.

706
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 3: You were like, thank you so much for coming and

707
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 3: doing this. Thank you, Like I know, it's crazy busy.

708
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 3: I'm just like Jason, I love doing this, Like this

709
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 3: is great. These are like by some of my favorite

710
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 3: conversations that I do is with you and like thinking

711
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 3: about the game in different ways. It was just like,

712
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 3: very funny.

713
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 2: Complaining in our profession is always relative. That's always something

714
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 2: we have to keep in mind. But I want to

715
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 2: I want to get to a bunch of additional players,

716
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: and I want to get to Brownie in the next

717
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 2: sixteen minutes.

718
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: So we're gonna go a little bit more.

719
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: Rapid fire here really quickly, really quickly. If if you

720
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 2: when you talk to people from San Antonio, when you

721
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 2: do some digging on that front, what would be their

722
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,479
Speaker 2: dream outcome for getting four and eight?

723
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 3: Who is I don't not come there, So I think

724
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 3: that their dream outcome would be finding a way to

725
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 3: get risa schet and castle. If they could find a

726
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 3: way to move up and get like you know, four

727
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 3: and five or three and four in some way. Uh,

728
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 3: if they could figure out a way to do that,

729
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 3: I think they'd be really happy on draft night. I

730
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 3: think it'll be a little bit difficult, but that would

731
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,919
Speaker 3: be my guess in terms of how they foresee a win,

732
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 3: especially if Risu sche goes one, I think it'd be

733
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 3: a little bit difficult.

734
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: To do that. Yeah.

735
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed Stefan Castle Like he just no matter

736
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 2: how big the game was, no matter how big the

737
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: situation was, he just forgot sped up. He just was

738
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 2: always kind of playing at his own pace. He was

739
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 2: fun to watch. Donovan Klingon I like a lot of

740
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: stuff with him. I love how he functions in that

741
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 2: Yukon offense, just as like a really good You talked

742
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 2: a lot about his screening in the uh in the

743
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 2: in the Draft guy that you did. But I also

744
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: think he has got a really good instinct for when

745
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: to slip like he always can. He always just kind

746
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 2: of has his eye on when his defenders showing, and

747
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 2: as soon as his defender decides the show, he just

748
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 2: doesn't even bother seting the screen anymore, just gets out

749
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 2: of there and then like he just he's got good hands.

750
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 2: He finishes most most of his catches around the basket.

751
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: The one thing that freaks me out with him is

752
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 2: I worry about him being a little bit matchup dependent

753
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: because I don't think he's quick footed enough to guard

754
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 2: in space. What's your take on, Dovin klingon No.

755
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 3: I agree with all of that. I think he's like

756
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 3: pure drop coverage is a big What I will say

757
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 3: is generally, you know, in terms of the scouting, I

758
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 3: think you really nailed what he is. It's not a

759
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 3: complicated evaluation. He's just an elite level drop coverage big man,

760
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 3: an elite level rim protector, great finisher at the basket.

761
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 3: The thing I will throw on is he's a really

762
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 3: good high post passer and like passer in terms of

763
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 3: he can run dribble handoffs, deny drible handoff, find a

764
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 3: cutter like a super super high level. He manipulates defenders

765
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 3: already really good at that. But if he gets down

766
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 3: to like the three to six range on draft night,

767
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 3: there are a bunch of teams, So like the three

768
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 3: six range, the Rockets have Shengun, the Hornets have Mark Williams,

769
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,240
Speaker 3: the Pistons have Jalen Duran and then four is San Antonio.

770
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 3: They Victor Weeb Nyama, Right, So like those teams don't

771
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 3: need a center in theory, right, there are a number

772
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 3: of teams in the like seven to twelve range, or

773
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 3: so let's call it seven to eleven range. I throw

774
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 3: Oklahoma City and I guess that have like a real

775
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 3: degree of interest in him, and that's kind of the

776
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 3: one that I'm targeting, Like I if I'm Memphis in particular, right,

777
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 3: Like that's my favorite fit in this draft would be

778
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 3: Memphis ending up on draft night with Donovan Klingon. Maybe

779
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 3: if he falls to five, they trade a future first

780
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 3: round pick and number nine to move up to number

781
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 3: five to assure themselves Donovan Klingen, who would be this

782
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 3: incredible fit within their scheme setting screens for John Morant

783
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 3: being the drop coverage defender to let Jaron Rome on

784
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 3: the backside defensively. But if Donovan Klingon gets into that

785
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 3: three to six range, look for somebody to move up

786
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 3: to get him. In my opinion, because if you hear

787
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 3: as I hear things from teams, it seems like there's

788
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 3: a lot of interest in him in that like seven

789
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 3: to twelve range, and I think somebody will try and

790
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 3: spike up to grab him.

791
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: That's super interesting.

792
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 2: So you're saying these front offices basically have like a

793
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 2: bunch of a bunch of game plans that are contingent

794
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 2: on what's on, who's going where. So if this guy slips,

795
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: then we're prepared to draw trade up if in the

796
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 2: event that that happens. I really like the clinging fit

797
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: with Memphis as well. I think they're rangy enough around him.

798
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: I don't think I don't think people realize good yet

799
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 2: how good GGI Jackson is too, and just slott it.

800
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 2: If they get a legit center and it's Morant Baye

801
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,720
Speaker 2: Jackson and then Jaron Jackson and then a legit center

802
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 2: like that, I think they're going to be right back

803
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 2: in the mix at the top of the conference next year,

804
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 2: especially as a regular season team with all their youthful exuberance.

805
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 3: They have Marcus Smart too, Like that's the other thing.

806
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 3: They have Mark Smart right, like gg Jackson, Like I

807
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 3: want to see where it goes with GG Jackson, Like

808
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 3: I'm really interested in Like if I was redrafting last year,

809
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 3: I think I would have gig like in the top

810
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 3: seven of that class, like point blank. But you know

811
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 3: next year, like Marcus is going to be the guy

812
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 3: that's like really valuable for them, and like we'll see

813
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 3: what GG looks like. It's a little where I'm at.

814
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 2: Well, and and then also there's that they would inevitably

815
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 2: have to have a small ball look anyway where you

816
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: can imagine GG being the four of next to Jaron Jackson. Now,

817
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 2: you and I are admittedly biased on the Williams family.

818
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: I think I think you and I might be the

819
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 2: two biggest Jalen Williams fans in the world. Although I

820
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: did almost get in trouble with Sam the other day

821
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 2: on the phone because I told him that I thought

822
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 2: that Jalen Williams has potential to be better than Shay

823
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 2: and and Sam had to quickly put him put me

824
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 2: in my place.

825
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 3: But Cody would I don't even I don't even know

826
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 3: that I did that. I was just like, oh wow,

827
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 3: like I was, I was taken aback.

828
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 2: But I love take so obviously, you know, it's kind

829
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 2: of funny. I there's a little bit of Jalen in

830
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,439
Speaker 2: Cody's game, mainly the pull up jump shot footwork looks

831
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 2: similar in the sense that they both look really good

832
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 2: going left. They have that same right left footwork where

833
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: they both kind of lean back a little bit. But

834
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 2: Cody just has this like a totally different look to

835
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: him because he's like lanky and in a little bit

836
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 2: a little bit taller, a little bit skinnier. Tell us

837
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 2: a little bit about Cody Williams and where you want

838
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: him to end up.

839
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he really is kind of like a

840
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 3: you know, when Jalen was that young, Jalen was still pretty,

841
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 3: he was shorter actually, like when he committed to Santa

842
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 3: Clara as a senior, he was I want to say,

843
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 3: like six foot three or so, like honestly, it might

844
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 3: have been like six foot two and then like grew

845
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 3: before he got to Santa Clara and then kept growing

846
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 3: all the way up to like six four and a half.

847
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 3: I think he is without choose now, but has that

848
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 3: enormous seven foot two wings fan. Cody is six '

849
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 3: seven seven foot one on wings band, so big and long,

850
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 3: just very skinny and is continuing to grow into his frame.

851
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 3: I think that the footwork is a driver is where

852
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 3: I see the similarities. I think that a lot of

853
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 3: that looks quite similar. I'm glad you brought up the

854
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 3: pull up game, because you know Cody's pull up game

855
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 3: is definitely still developing. I would say you didn't take

856
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 3: a ton of pull up jumpers in high school where

857
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 3: he went to. I think Perry down in your neck

858
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 3: of the woods in Arizona. You know, just a really

859
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 3: really good upside bet. I think is a wing that

860
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 3: could be like a playmaker. I think he passes really well.

861
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 3: I would like to see him be like a little

862
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 3: bit more disruptive defensively, but I think he can get

863
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 3: there just with his lengthen with his physical tools. So

864
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 3: I look at what Cody Williams has and I ended

865
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 3: up with him six on my board. You mentioned the

866
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 3: Britischet comparison earlier in the show. I have them literally

867
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 3: five and six, So I don't see an enormous difference

868
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 3: between the two of those players. They're different types, but

869
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 3: I quite like j Cody Williams as well.

870
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 2: That's I think a good indicator of this draft right

871
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 2: there is Rische might end up going number one, and like, yeah,

872
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 2: Cody's not a perfect corollary. They played a different style,

873
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 2: but there are two lanky wings right that you like.

874
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 2: I think Obviously, Versasche is a much better shooter at

875
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 2: this point, but Cody shot well in catch and shoot situations.

876
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 2: It seemed like when I was looking into it today,

877
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: all right, we have three more quick players that we're

878
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 2: going to get through.

879
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: First.

880
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 2: Probably the guy that I had the most fun watching today,

881
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: Devin Carter out of Providence. I really like thought it

882
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 2: was fascinating. He was seeing really aggressive coverages, which I'm

883
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 2: assuming had a lot to do with the roster that

884
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 2: he was playing with, but like it seemed like towards

885
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 2: the tail end of the season his playmaking was improving

886
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 2: after struggling with it a little bit to start the year.

887
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 2: But freaky athletic, really good score. Just I thought he

888
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 2: I thought his motor really impressed me. Just in general.

889
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: He just was like he just seemed like a Foxhole

890
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 2: type of dude, Like a guard that I'd love to

891
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 2: have competing alongside me. So tell us about Dev Carter

892
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 2: and where you hope to see him end up.

893
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of a like, you know, very different players,

894
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 3: but like a Derek White like kind of starter kit

895
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 3: to me. You know, Devin I think is the best

896
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 3: athlete in the class. Just kind of you know, I

897
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 3: keep saying point blank, but point blank, he is a

898
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 3: forty inch vertical leap guy. He is. You know, any

899
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 3: combine tests you put him through, he's gonna win. I

900
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 3: think he literally won almost all of the combine test thing.

901
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 3: And he's not one of those guys where it's not functional.

902
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 3: It shows up all over his tape, like he blocks

903
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 3: one shot per game. He gets into passing lanes and

904
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 3: you know, creates transition opportunities. He had like thirty half

905
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 3: court dunks or something this year at six foot like

906
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 3: a six foot nine wingspan. He is a serious, serious leaper.

907
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 3: And then the big thing is like what is the handle?

908
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: Right?

909
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 3: It's a lot of straight line stuff, a lot of

910
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 3: like trying to change pace. How he started to account

911
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 3: for that this year was he just started moving back

912
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 3: and taking deeper three right if teams were gonna collapse

913
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 3: down on him whenever he shot, Okay, I'm just gonna

914
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 3: take twenty seven foot threes, right. That's the big question

915
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 3: with Devin. You know, his first two years in college

916
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 3: one at South Carolina, one at Providence, which is where

917
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 3: he ended up this year as well. I made like

918
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 3: twenty seven percent from three this year got way better

919
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 3: way up to the volume. Was it like thirty eight

920
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 3: percent or so from three on seven? Three point attempts

921
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 3: per game, a lot of pull up shots, a lot

922
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 3: of contested shots. The thing I love about Devin though,

923
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 3: is like I've seen him work out, Like I've talked

924
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 3: to people about him everything that you see on tape.

925
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 3: In terms of why you love him being a fox

926
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 3: hole guy, it's who he is off the court, like

927
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 3: incredible work ethic, you know, great competitor, like all of

928
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 3: the boxes get ticked there. I ended up with him

929
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 3: at seven. I'm probably the highest person in the public

930
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 3: sphere on him. I've talked to teams that are higher

931
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 3: on that him than that honestly. So yeah, I love

932
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 3: Devin Carter.

933
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's kind of reminds me of the JJ

934
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 2: Reddick convers Obviously it's different from a coach, but it's like,

935
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 2: give me a super competitive dude who loves basketball and

936
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 2: has the natural talent, like the understanding of the game.

937
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 2: I just feel like they're going to find a way

938
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: to figure it out. That's the kind of the way

939
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 2: I feel with Devin Carter. It's like super competitive, loves

940
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 2: the game, relentless worker. Any elite athletic tools like that

941
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 2: just automatically, to me, makes you a super interesting player

942
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 2: and a guy that I'd be willing to take a

943
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 2: bet on. All right, two more quick ones. Dalton Connect

944
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: out of Tennessee. You and I talked a lot about

945
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 2: him during the tournament this year.

946
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: The Jeco Brethren, the Jewco Brethren.

947
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: I know, Yeah, this is Dalton's like the much much

948
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 2: better version of me. He's like what I would have

949
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: been like if I was way better at basketball, similar

950
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 2: kind of to height, like a six y five and

951
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: a half without shoes on six ten wingspan kind of

952
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 2: a score first mentality. Really showed some high level shot

953
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 2: making in the NCAA tournament. What do you kind of

954
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: see him looking like as an NBA player? Where do

955
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 2: you like to see him end up?

956
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 3: Plug and play shooter? For sure, really needs to improve

957
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 3: on defense in terms of hitting like top ten upside.

958
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 3: I would like to see him land in a scheme

959
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 3: where like he'll run off of all that like floppy

960
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 3: stuff that Tennessee would run him off of, run him

961
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 3: off of all sort of like flares and try to

962
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 3: get him shots early in offense. To me, that's where

963
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 3: he'll hit like a real ceiling. But you know, regardless

964
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 3: of where he goes, he's gonna knock down shots and

965
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 3: he's gonna be valuable.

966
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 2: I think, hmm, So we absolutely have to per per

967
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 2: our agreement as NBA media members discuss Brownie James, and

968
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: I obviously have not watched him nearly as closely as

969
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 2: you have. So why don't you just give us just

970
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 2: your pure, unadulterated, unbiased perspective on what Bronnie James looks.

971
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 2: Because important little disclaimer here, like I don't give a

972
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 2: shit about the nepotism angle. Like he's gonna get his opportunity.

973
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 2: He's gonna get several years to figure out whether or

974
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 2: not he's an NBA player, So like everyone just needs

975
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 2: to accept that that's the reality.

976
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: He's gonna get his shot. The question is if he gets.

977
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 2: Two three years in an NBA organization to try to

978
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 2: figure this out, what NBA level tools does he have

979
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 2: and is there a realistic shot for him to round

980
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 2: out into an NBA player eventually.

981
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 3: So the idea behind Brownie James is like a three

982
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 3: and T guard, not like a three and D wing.

983
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 3: He's like six foot one and a half, right, So

984
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 3: he is a guard. The names that will come up

985
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 3: are Gary Harris and Avery Bradley, Like those are the

986
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 3: two most popular names I've heard from teams and if

987
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 3: they like him or like anybody, that's like trying to

988
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 3: figure out a point of comparison. I don't think people

989
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 3: quite understand how good those guys were in high school

990
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 3: and college. Both of those guys were five star recruits

991
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 3: coming out of high school. Avery Bradley a top five

992
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 3: kid in his class. Gary Harris was like, you know,

993
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 3: top twenty kid in his class. Gary Harris eventually went

994
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 3: on I think he won Big Ten Player of the Year.

995
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 3: If he didn't win Big Ten Player of the Year,

996
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 3: he was first team All Big Ten. Was like an

997
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 3: outstanding outstanding player over multiple years at Michigan State. Top

998
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 3: twenty pick, was fantastic, you know, became this awesome three

999
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 3: in d guard, like you know, could guard even up

1000
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 3: to the three eventually. Avery Bradley was a guy that

1001
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 3: averaged like eleven three and three in his freshman year

1002
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 3: at Texas or maybe like eleven five and three and

1003
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 3: was by the end of his year at Texas one

1004
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 3: of like the great perimeter defenders in college basketball. Like

1005
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 3: he was a monster at the point of attack, which

1006
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 3: is why he ended up going in the top twenty.

1007
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 3: Bronnie was I thought a good defender this year for

1008
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 3: a freshman. I didn't feel like he was particularly crazily

1009
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 3: disruptive anywhere. I would say defense was his best attube

1010
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 3: this season as a basketball player. And we really wouldn't

1011
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 3: be having this conversation if it wasn't for Lebron being involved.

1012
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 3: I kind of have gone back, I'm.

1013
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 2: Gonna cut you off really quickly here, Just how much

1014
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:17,240
Speaker 2: do you think let me play Devil's Advocate surgery before

1015
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 2: the season. Does that imp Doesn't that have a substantial

1016
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 2: impact on what his USC film slash statistical production would

1017
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 2: have looked like?

1018
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 3: I think it has an impact for sure. My issue

1019
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 3: with Bronni has kind of always been though that I've

1020
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 3: never seen him as like a half court shot creator

1021
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 3: at all. I've always seen him he's pretty good in transition.

1022
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 3: I think he makes like pretty solid passing reads. I

1023
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 3: think he's smart and like understands the game and in

1024
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 3: an intuitive level in a way you would expect from

1025
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 3: Lebron's child, right, just the genetics that kind of filter

1026
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 3: down whatever it is, Like I think he sees the

1027
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 3: game in the open court in a really positive way.

1028
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 3: It's just really hard for me to envision a player

1029
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 3: that averaged, you know, under five points per game as

1030
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 3: a freshman at six foot one being a draft prospect,

1031
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 3: Like I've kind of gone back through, but like back

1032
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 3: to like two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight,

1033
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 3: like something like that. I believe Bronnie James would be

1034
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 3: the first player drafted that is like under six foot

1035
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 3: two and averaged under five points per game as a

1036
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:38,720
Speaker 3: one and done player. It's just an extremely uncommon degree

1037
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 3: of production and size to be entering the NBA draft. Now,

1038
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 3: you and I just talked about how much we love

1039
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,919
Speaker 3: Devin Carter, and like we truly like adore that guy's game.

1040
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 3: I think that there are outcomes where if Bronnie had

1041
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 3: stayed in college for a couple of years, we could

1042
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 3: have been looking at Bronnie as a similar player to

1043
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 3: Devin Carter. Because Devin Carter started South Carolina averaged like

1044
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 3: seven points per game, eight points per game whatever. First year,

1045
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 3: moved up to Providence average fourteen points a game, you know,

1046
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 3: and six rebounds or so, and then this year was

1047
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 3: you know, twenty points eight rebounds for as this like

1048
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 3: was one of the best players in the country. You

1049
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,879
Speaker 3: could have convinced me of that pathway. But where I'm

1050
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 3: worried now about Bronnie is I don't think he can

1051
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 3: play point guard in the G League unless they force it,

1052
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 3: like if they might force the issue, Like let's just

1053
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:39,720
Speaker 3: be honest about it. So I'm worried about him getting reps,

1054
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 3: being able to develop his ball handling and develop his

1055
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 3: half court feel as a playmaker in the way that

1056
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 3: would allow him to get the most out of his

1057
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 3: game long term. Maybe he will, maybe he won't. I

1058
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 3: wish the best for the kid, obviously, Like the kid

1059
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 3: has gone through a crazy number of difficult situations between

1060
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 3: the heart condition, the pressure that's on him as Lebron

1061
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 3: James's kid, the fact that he seemingly is as well

1062
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 3: adjusted as he is, and like everybody will kind of

1063
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 3: tell you he is quite well adjusted. And you know,

1064
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 3: I've been in like media scrums with him before. He

1065
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 3: seems like a really really nice dude and like a again,

1066
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 3: like a mature beyond his years in some way like teenager,

1067
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 3: but like at some level, like the game is the game, right,

1068
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 3: and you got to be able to prove it. Like

1069
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 3: everyone talks about like Tony Allen, Right, Tony Allen's you

1070
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 3: know more our age ish, Right, do you remember how

1071
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 3: good Tony Allen was at Oklahoma State, Jason, Oh my god,

1072
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 3: Tony Tony Allen won the Big Twelve Player of the Year,

1073
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 3: He won the Big Twelve Tournament MVP. He led Oklahoma

1074
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 3: State to a thirty one and four record and led

1075
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 3: them to the Final four. And that guy like Boston

1076
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 3: like tried to make him point guard for a minute

1077
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 3: or whatever, but he eventually settled in as like one

1078
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 3: of the great defensive players in the league. And that's

1079
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 3: the vision that people have for Brownie. And there's just

1080
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 3: like no to me, Like, I just don't know what

1081
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 3: the backing for that is based on what we've seen

1082
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 3: so far. Is maybe the fairest way to put it,

1083
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 3: but maybe he can get there.

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Speaker 1: Do you think quickly?

1085
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 2: Do you think do you think this was a strategic

1086
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 2: move on the family and Clutch Sports part to capitalize

1087
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 2: on more of the intrigue around him knowing because like,

1088
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 2: here's the thing, I would imagine he'd actually make more

1089
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 2: money going back to USC in nil.

1090
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: Deals so or at least close.

1091
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 2: So, like, do you think they're actually trying to avoid

1092
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 2: him putting more college tape out there that kind of

1093
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 2: dampens or kind of like minimizes some of the intrigues

1094
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 2: around his potential.

1095
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: Nay.

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Speaker 3: I think that everything about this has been strategic from

1097
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,439
Speaker 3: Clutch like Rich I've never heard an agent be more

1098
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 3: public about the way he's handling a prospect and Rich

1099
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 3: Paul has been with at this point, and to me,

1100
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 3: all of that is very strategic. Coming out and saying

1101
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 3: that he won't take a two way is trying to

1102
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 3: drive him down the board at the end of the day,

1103
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 3: because if you're you're trying to stop other teams from

1104
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 3: taking him, you know, coming out and saying that he'll

1105
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 3: only work out certain places, that that's trying to drive

1106
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 3: him to a specific situation. So I think the whole

1107
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 3: thing has been trying to control the process, drive him

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00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 3: to specific situations.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 3: Let's be honest, Like it seems like the Lakers. I'm

1111
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 3: not going to sit here and say, like, for sure

1112
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 3: it's the Lakers, but the way Rich Paul is handling

1113
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 3: this process is exactly the way you would handle it

1114
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 3: if your goal is to get him to a specific

1115
00:55:55,080 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 3: destination without saying that that is one hundred percent the goal,

1116
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 3: and that I know that's one hundred percent the goal.

1117
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 3: Everything he has done has been acting like that is

1118
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 3: the goal, at least, let's say so like and I

1119
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 3: respect it, like I understand the goal. I understand everything

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00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 3: about it in terms of like making more an il

1121
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 3: lesson nil if he had just stayed in school. The

1122
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 3: most popular college that I got for Brownie because he

1123
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 3: did enter the transfert transfer portal, so college's you know,

1124
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 3: kind of had a sense of what was going on

1125
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 3: the most popular name. I'm not saying he would have

1126
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 3: gone there. I'm just saying the most popular idea I

1127
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 3: got for Brownie James was for him to go to Dukane,

1128
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 3: which is where Drew Joyce just got the head coaching job.

1129
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 3: Drew Joyce played high school basketball with Lebron at Saint

1130
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 3: Vincent Saint Mary's his dad. You know, I believe Drew

1131
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 3: Joyce senior or the second, I can't remember, Drew coaching

1132
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,879
Speaker 3: Ducaine now is the third or not was a coach

1133
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 3: at Saint Vincent Saint Mary, you know, for Lebron. And

1134
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 3: then Drew Joyce who just took the Duquane job, was

1135
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 3: the head coach, or was an assistant coach under Keith Danbrot,

1136
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 3: who was Lebron's head coach, also at St. Vincent Saint

1137
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 3: Mary's early in his career, so there were a lot

1138
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 3: of familial connections where if you're gonna send Brownie somewhere,

1139
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 3: it would be very comfortable, right. That's a place where

1140
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 3: you know that Bronnie will be treated well, where you

1141
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 3: know that he'll get every opportunity to succeed. And honestly,

1142
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 3: like in the A ten level, I think that'd be

1143
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 3: great for Bronnie to get a chance to like thrive

1144
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 3: and get a chance to play on the ball and

1145
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 3: showcase what he's capable of. But you know, ultimately they

1146
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 3: decided to go a different way, and I respect it.

1147
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 3: I just have concerns as to whether or not it

1148
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 3: was what was best for his development because the G

1149
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 3: League is a higher level of basketball.

1150
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 2: At the end of the game, it's gonna be very

1151
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 2: sink or swim for him for sure. Yeah, and again,

1152
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 2: my last take on it again is like I hate

1153
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 2: when people complain about the nepotism, because guess what, nepotism

1154
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 2: has existed in every single field for as long as

1155
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 2: I can possibly remember, not even the first time it's

1156
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 2: happened in the NBA, Like big who cares. He's going

1157
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 2: to benefit from it. He's going to get a lot

1158
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 2: of opportunity as a result of it. But guess what,

1159
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 2: no good coach is going to put him on an

1160
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 2: NBA floor in a meaningful basketball game if he doesn't

1161
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 2: earn his opportunity to be there. So like it at

1162
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 2: a certain point, like we talked, we opened the show

1163
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 2: with it, like this is the nature of the ruthlessness

1164
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 2: of professional sports. He might have his opportunity to grow

1165
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 2: and to learn on the fringes of the NBA, but like,

1166
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 2: no one's gonna just hand him a starting role on

1167
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 2: a legitimate NBA team. He's going to have to earn it.

1168
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 2: He's just going to get an opportunity by virtue of this.

1169
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 2: But that is all we have time for today, Sam,

1170
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 2: Can you please just tell everybody how to find your

1171
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 2: draft guide, how to find your other NBA draft content.

1172
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 2: I think it was. I can't even tell you how

1173
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 2: much it helped me today in my crash course on

1174
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 2: this NBA draft to just as a reference as I

1175
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 2: was going through film like it just was such an

1176
00:58:58,160 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 2: incredible product and I want you to shout it out

1177
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 2: to everybody's we can get as many people over there

1178
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 2: as possible.

1179
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Speaker 3: We have a testimonial. Go to the Athletic where the

1180
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 3: draft guide is up. It's like one hundred and thirty

1181
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 3: thousand words on the seventy five best prospects in this class,

1182
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 3: recorting to me, at least you'll be able to read

1183
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 3: about their backgrounds a little bit, get more of an

1184
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 3: understanding of where they come from, understand their strengths, their weaknesses,

1185
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 3: and kind of where I stand on them as prospects.

1186
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 3: Go to the Game Theory YouTube channel. I have interviewed

1187
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 3: like eight or nine or ten of these kids, where

1188
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 3: you'll be able to watch film of me breaking down

1189
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 3: film with them. Right today I released Donovan Klingen, Right,

1190
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 3: Donovan was super fun. He's like this awesome kid, really

1191
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 3: good personality. Tomorrow I'll release Tristan da Silva, who's like

1192
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 3: one of the most mature and like super high IQ

1193
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 3: basketball players I've gotten a chance to talk to as

1194
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 3: a player rising from college to the NBA. So go

1195
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 3: to the Game Theory Podcast with Sam Senior YouTube channel.

1196
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 3: You'll see all that, and look, I'll be going live

1197
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 3: for the draft, so I'm excited to kind of run

1198
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 3: through it and talk through it all with you guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you're sick of me telling you thank you,

1200
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 2: but thank you again for making the time to do

1201
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 2: this for us today.

1202
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 3: That we might as well record it, Jason, we might

1203
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 3: as well record it right because we're gonna do it

1204
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 3: anyway over the phone.

1205
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: So exactly exactly.

1206
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 3: Product out there in the content space.

1207
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 2: Right exactly, might as well might as well have it

1208
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 2: help our jobs a little bit, all right, guys, That

1209
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 2: is all we have for today. Tomorrow I am recording

1210
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 2: a video on the five Biggest Takeaways from this postseason,

1211
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:27,959
Speaker 2: which is also going to feature some of the things

1212
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 2: that Sam and I have talked about over the course

1213
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 2: of the last few weeks. And then obviously we'll be

1214
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 2: reacting to the draft on Thursday morning. As always, I

1215
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 2: sincerely appreciate you guys for supporting the show and we'll

1216
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 2: see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: The volume