WEBVTT - Mental Health is Wealth

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<v Speaker 1>What's up, family, it's your girl to Mika d. Mallory,

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<v Speaker 1>finish your boy.

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<v Speaker 2>My son a general and.

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<v Speaker 3>We are your host of street politicians, the place where

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<v Speaker 3>the streets and politics. Me. What you've been doing, my son,

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<v Speaker 3>other than being on the internet edge of mccayton.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna leave it there for now.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, sometimes people need to be educated.

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<v Speaker 4>Man. I tell people I'm Malcolm. I'm not mar you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a war I got a warrior spirit. It's different

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<v Speaker 4>for me, not saying it's different type of warriors. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not to turn the other cheap warrior. I'm the one

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<v Speaker 4>that's gonna you know, you put your hands on me,

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<v Speaker 4>you're gonna lose it. So anyway, but my weekend was

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<v Speaker 4>filled with educating. Actually, you know, shout out to Patterson,

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<v Speaker 4>New Jersey. They had their second annual mental health what

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<v Speaker 4>would you call it? It was a mental health conference

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<v Speaker 4>and concert. You know, this is the second time that

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<v Speaker 4>I've been invited there. It's always a good time. They

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<v Speaker 4>bring all the kids from you know, from different schools

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<v Speaker 4>in Patterson and different areas in Patterson, and they come

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<v Speaker 4>out shout out to the young boy. D's Sturdy Roddy Rebel.

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<v Speaker 4>DJ Bobby Trenz was there. It was a dope event.

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 4>They had panels and they broke him up into men

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<v Speaker 4>and women, and they had mental health panels, three different

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<v Speaker 4>mental health panels where I learned a lot, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Then I had my own segment and where I talked

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<v Speaker 4>about gun violence and trauma to the young boys.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>I felt like it resonated with a lot of them,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, So it was really dope. It was a

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<v Speaker 4>really dope event. Shout out to my young boy Robbert,

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<v Speaker 4>who was with me. Who's my young men tea right now.

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<v Speaker 4>I've been dealing with him and he's he's coming up, young,

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<v Speaker 4>small young kid. Him and my youngest son, Keston. He

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<v Speaker 4>was holding Keston down. Keston gets hungry every five seconds,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, and he was like, Dad, when't we leaving?

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<v Speaker 4>He wanted to go play video games? But they wolf

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<v Speaker 4>enjoyed themself. So that's what my weekend was for.

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<v Speaker 1>So you had your mentee with you at your event

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<v Speaker 1>or was he a part of the event.

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<v Speaker 4>He was just with me. He came, he rode out

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<v Speaker 4>with me. You know, he likes he knows about the

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<v Speaker 4>Philly Golds. He's dester. He knows about all them, so

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<v Speaker 4>he's hype.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's funny that young people do have their own

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<v Speaker 3>underground thing going on because they be knowing each other,

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<v Speaker 3>like they know before there was you know, before people

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<v Speaker 3>knew Lola what's the name Lola Brooks and certain ones

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<v Speaker 3>my makeup artists who may.

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<v Speaker 1>Not be that young. She's younger than me.

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<v Speaker 3>She was like, oh, you gotta know your Lola Brooks

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<v Speaker 3>and this, and then I was like, who is Lola Brooks?

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<v Speaker 3>And then Lola Brooks appeared, so you know, they know

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<v Speaker 3>one another. They follow the underground. So let me see

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<v Speaker 3>what have I been doing boxing? That's my thing. You

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<v Speaker 3>know I've been telling you. We talking about it all

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<v Speaker 3>the time. And you know what, my boxing coach said

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<v Speaker 3>something to me that like really it clicked for me,

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<v Speaker 3>like this is where I'm supposed to be. He said

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<v Speaker 3>that I was. So I was having this problem with

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<v Speaker 3>my finger. It was hurting every time. It still hurts, actually,

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<v Speaker 3>so I think it was like right before being jammed,

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<v Speaker 3>like almost there but not really. So it's been hurting

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<v Speaker 3>on one side. So he tells me to tell him

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<v Speaker 3>about my h and shout out to coach Eddie. He

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<v Speaker 3>tells me to tell him when things bother me, so

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<v Speaker 3>he knows, like maybe the raps are too tight, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>they're not tight enough, maybe different things. But never do

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<v Speaker 3>we really deal with the things that I said hurt.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like he hears me.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, okay, cool.

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<v Speaker 3>So anyway, I told him about my finger and he's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like, you got a punch, right, like that's

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<v Speaker 3>what it is. So when we were punching again after

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<v Speaker 3>I've told him about the finger, I kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>pick and move back too quick instead of like pushing

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<v Speaker 3>all the way through a punch.

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<v Speaker 1>And so he looked at me and he's like, you can't.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't hit your problem or your obstacle and be

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<v Speaker 3>afraid and snap back like you gotta go all the

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<v Speaker 3>way through the problem, like all the way, punch all

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<v Speaker 3>the way through it. And I was like, damn, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>these are the life skills that have absolutely nothing to

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<v Speaker 3>do with boxing, but it has to do with your

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<v Speaker 3>approach to life.

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<v Speaker 1>And I see how.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's been like five or six other things that

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<v Speaker 3>he said to me, like you know, when I'm doing

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<v Speaker 3>my situps and it's the work, Oh my god. The

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<v Speaker 3>worst thing ever, and he's like, ain't nothing free, Like

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<v Speaker 3>you just ain't gonna get it free. You might as

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<v Speaker 3>well love the pain because the pain is everywhere. It's

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<v Speaker 3>at every turn. It's nothing you do in this gym

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<v Speaker 3>or out there in your life that's just gonna feel

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<v Speaker 3>free and easy if you want it to have results.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, damn, I see the connection. So I

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<v Speaker 3>really really loved my boxing lessons and this boxing journey

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<v Speaker 3>that I'm on.

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<v Speaker 4>Boxing is a thing. It's like it's a full body workout.

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<v Speaker 4>It's mine is b soul is everything. Shout out to

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<v Speaker 4>my boxing coach, who hasn't seen me in life three

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<v Speaker 4>weeks since I, you know, sprained my shoulder. But you know,

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<v Speaker 4>my man g a Ka gave Briel Vargus. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>he's my coach and now he changed. He trains the

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<v Speaker 4>boys and they love they love boxing. So boxing is

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<v Speaker 4>always been one of those things. I actually started doing

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<v Speaker 4>boxing when I was young. My father used to train me,

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<v Speaker 4>and then when I went to prison, I was doing boxing.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's it's always like you said, your fingers, like

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<v Speaker 4>you break fingers. Most of the people who box, they

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<v Speaker 4>break fingers, they break knuckles, like that's that's a common thing,

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<v Speaker 4>so get used to it. It's gonna get as as

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<v Speaker 4>you do it. It's gonna make your hand stronger, so

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<v Speaker 4>it's not gonna really hurt as much.

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<v Speaker 3>And so many young kids in the gym, wow, like

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<v Speaker 3>they've got.

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<v Speaker 4>We need the kids in the gym. You know, boxing

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<v Speaker 4>teaches you level or discipline. They teach you level of humility.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, it teaches you how to to target and

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<v Speaker 4>sent to anger, not to be overwhelmed by anger. So

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<v Speaker 4>you know, that's one of the things that I want

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<v Speaker 4>to I want to focus. I want to start like

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<v Speaker 4>a boxing program for the kids.

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<v Speaker 1>It's I think it's also like.

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<v Speaker 3>It's kind of it really teaches you to think and

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<v Speaker 3>move or think and stay where sometimes people are just

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<v Speaker 3>like just moving without purpose or direction. But boxing slows

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<v Speaker 3>you down just enough to be able to think about

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<v Speaker 3>your next step. But you still got to move your feet,

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<v Speaker 3>like you constantly have to be in movement and still

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<v Speaker 3>enough mentally to see what's coming and what's all around

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<v Speaker 3>you and that and that's something that a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>people don't know. Like as soon as there's danger, people

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<v Speaker 3>get they get frazzled. They can't think, you know, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's that's a lot of while people make bad decisions

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<v Speaker 3>like going to get a gun or running, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>being afraid in the movement, you know, because once the

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<v Speaker 3>danger comes, it's like, oh, I hear police sirens. So

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<v Speaker 3>now we're about to get arrested. It's time to run

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<v Speaker 3>off the protest line, you know. And it's a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm with it. But sports seems to be the

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<v Speaker 3>thing of the weekend because I'm not allowed to talk

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<v Speaker 3>to my father. I can't talk to my son. I

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<v Speaker 3>can't talk to nobody. No man in my life can

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<v Speaker 3>I even communicate with. Can't call you can't call nobody.

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<v Speaker 2>It's playoffs, man, you can't you can't call nobody doing

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<v Speaker 2>the playoff.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a this is a good week. The Knicks,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, they made it to the playoffs. They lost,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean the second round. They lost the first game

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<v Speaker 4>to Miami, but it was a good game.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm still rooting for the Knicks. You know, we we

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<v Speaker 4>need we need y'all, come on now, get get us

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<v Speaker 4>out this second round, man, come on, nixt and me

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<v Speaker 4>and Chef Curry, though, I still put.

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<v Speaker 1>So much faith and I mean the next and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a Knicks fan.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even like best. I mean, well, I'm not that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm let me, let me go backwards, let me go backwards.

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<v Speaker 3>I cannot say I don't like basketball, because actually I

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<v Speaker 3>love basketball. But I am not a sports officionado. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know all the things, but I do like the

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<v Speaker 3>next it's my home team.

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<v Speaker 1>I get it. But y'all be swimming. They gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>something every time that.

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<v Speaker 4>But they look like they can do something, you know

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<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying. Jimmy Buckets was him and cal Lowry

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<v Speaker 4>was tough yesterday, but they still look like, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>hopefully we get Julius Randall back. You know, Brunton is

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<v Speaker 4>playing at a high level. You know, they playing. They

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<v Speaker 4>just need they just need to be a little bit

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<v Speaker 4>more focused.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>I think Jimmy Butler wants to win more than they

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<v Speaker 4>do at this point, so that has to change. Like

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<v Speaker 4>I was about to say, Steph Curry yesterday in the

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<v Speaker 4>game seven game against Sacramento was just phenomenal. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>even able to watch the game because I was a

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<v Speaker 4>soccer dad yesterday, so I was at the soccer game

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<v Speaker 4>and I had my kid's soccer game. Mind you is

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<v Speaker 4>porn raining porn like this.

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<v Speaker 2>She was just unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know why they New York.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I don't even know why they had these kids

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<v Speaker 4>out there playing soccer. But it got to the point

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<v Speaker 4>where the field got so flooded they had to stop it.

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<v Speaker 4>But I still had my headphones on, just listening to

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<v Speaker 4>the game in my pocket and just listening to Steph

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<v Speaker 4>Curry just keep scoring. Was just hearing it. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>even watching the game. And they was like, and Steph

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<v Speaker 4>scores again, and it hits another three. And it went

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<v Speaker 4>from the Sacramento being up five to next you know,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, Golda State was up by twenty for a

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<v Speaker 4>quarter and I was like wow, and then he and

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<v Speaker 4>then look he finished.

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<v Speaker 2>With fifty points. It was just like, so, shout out

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<v Speaker 2>to them.

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<v Speaker 4>So they played the Lakers favorite team.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, okay, good because godless, I'll be feeling wait.

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<v Speaker 4>I know he's I know he was probably probably bet

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<v Speaker 4>money everything. He can't wait. And I told him the

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<v Speaker 4>text because usually he'll say he'll be like, yeah, you're

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<v Speaker 4>talking about my team. He'll text me randomly and just

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<v Speaker 4>say some shit about his team. So, but shout out

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<v Speaker 4>to them. And they did good.

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<v Speaker 2>And now they played the Lakers in round two.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was gonna say I called my mom during

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<v Speaker 3>the game because she ain't she liked me.

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<v Speaker 1>She ain't watching it.

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<v Speaker 3>She's just sitting up there, just trying to be smile

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<v Speaker 3>when asked. And I can hear my father yelling at somebody,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm like, Mom, who's that some of your son?

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<v Speaker 1>Your son and your father's.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't be here going back and forth about whatever they're

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<v Speaker 3>doing on that basketball and and I figured he was

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<v Speaker 3>winning and losing.

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<v Speaker 1>His tree.

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<v Speaker 2>He was winning. They had a big win yesterday.

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<v Speaker 4>So now they play the Lakers in the second round,

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<v Speaker 4>which is probably gonna be one of the most view

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<v Speaker 4>series because everybody want to see the Brown against Curry.

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<v Speaker 4>That's like Monumentals. So that starts on Tuesday, so that's

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<v Speaker 4>gonna be a dope. So we probably first game will

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<v Speaker 4>be over by the time we watched this.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I hate to bring bad, a bad overtone to

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<v Speaker 3>this good conversation, but I heard you say that the

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<v Speaker 3>gold that Golden State was playing the Sacramento Kings.

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<v Speaker 1>Now some news on that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just it is so in line with this tragedy

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<v Speaker 3>of last week where miles cars grow.

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<v Speaker 1>The officer who.

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<v Speaker 3>Has gone the FBI believes that his bullets actually killed

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<v Speaker 3>Brionna Taylor, and we know that in that case. Attorney

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<v Speaker 3>Daniel Cameron, Attorney General of Kentucky, did not present evidence

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<v Speaker 3>to the grand jury for the murder of Brionna Taylor.

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<v Speaker 3>He presented evidence for the bullets that went.

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<v Speaker 2>Through the wall.

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<v Speaker 3>The jurors themselves were angry about it because they were

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<v Speaker 3>never presented with information or with a case that would

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<v Speaker 3>have allowed them to indict or not the officers. They

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<v Speaker 3>were never It's never done, and that is a regular

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<v Speaker 3>thing that district attorneys do.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not.

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<v Speaker 2>Was just that's the going line.

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<v Speaker 1>So don't get it twisted.

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<v Speaker 3>They do this where they have made a prejudicial decision

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<v Speaker 3>that I don't you know, we're not looking to charge

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<v Speaker 3>or to get you know, these officers or these people indicted.

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<v Speaker 3>And therefore they present the case that is very narrow

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<v Speaker 3>that people do not have the opportunity to say, well,

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<v Speaker 3>wait a minute, what about this?

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<v Speaker 1>And so the jervors came forward.

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<v Speaker 3>To say it so so I so anyway, because I

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<v Speaker 3>get so excited about this, I got to stick with

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<v Speaker 3>my point.

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<v Speaker 1>So he was.

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<v Speaker 3>Fired from the Louisville Metro Police Department because of our

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<v Speaker 3>work until freedom, the Kentucky Alliance, all the groups, the organizers,

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<v Speaker 3>the people who slept outside, the people who protested, the

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<v Speaker 3>Urban League of Louisville, Sadiqua Rentals attorney, Lennida Baker, Attorney,

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<v Speaker 3>Ben Crump, Attorney, Sam Agyard, Breonna Taylor's family, the list

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<v Speaker 3>goes on.

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<v Speaker 1>You know Bianca and of course her mother.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody fighting every single day, the Breaway, the streets fought

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<v Speaker 3>every day, and that's the reason why the officers were fired.

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<v Speaker 1>Miles Cosgrove was fired.

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<v Speaker 3>Now a sheriff's department in another part of Kentucky an

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<v Speaker 3>our so away has hired him. It is disgusting. So

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<v Speaker 3>here we go back to the Sacramento Kings. The officer

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<v Speaker 3>responsible for shooting Stefan Clark. If you all have don't

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<v Speaker 3>know this case, you should look into it. He was

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<v Speaker 3>trying to get into his grandmother's house, jumped over a

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<v Speaker 3>gate in the backyard, which is not an unusual thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Police officers came. They claim he had a gun, which

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<v Speaker 3>later on they found out he didn't. They shot him

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<v Speaker 3>to death in his grandmother's yard.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, now that.

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<v Speaker 3>Officer who killed him is working the games as a

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<v Speaker 3>security person, maybe even a police officer, because he wasn't fired,

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't even charged. He is now working the games for

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<v Speaker 3>the Sacramento Kings in their stadium, and it's not working

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<v Speaker 3>no more games.

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<v Speaker 2>He ain't. First of all, those games is over.

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<v Speaker 1>So well the games.

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<v Speaker 3>I was about to say, it is possible that he

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<v Speaker 3>will now be shifted over to concerts and whatever else.

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<v Speaker 1>They have going on during the you know, the off season.

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<v Speaker 1>So he but he's the.

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<v Speaker 3>Point is he's still employed and now he's moving on

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<v Speaker 3>to other things. And my thing is that, listen, we

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<v Speaker 3>are not safe. We are not safe when a violent

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<v Speaker 3>person who's a shooter, who has access to a weapon,

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<v Speaker 3>and actually what is it called free reign, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>where it is sanctioned, is in open public space with

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<v Speaker 3>black and brown people, has already demonstrated that they have

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<v Speaker 3>the ability to kill one and make really bad choices,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, not gonna say mistakes, choices and decisions.

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<v Speaker 1>Now somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 3>So people just need to know when you're going to

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<v Speaker 3>the stadium what is whatever it's called where the Sacramento

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<v Speaker 3>Kings play, there's an officer in that particular stadium who

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<v Speaker 3>is dangerous.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's and and and and again.

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<v Speaker 3>Tying it together with what happened to now Brionna's family,

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<v Speaker 3>another slap in the face. And that's why legislation is

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<v Speaker 3>so desperately needed now. People ship all day. The Democrats

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<v Speaker 3>ain't no good. No, the Democrats have mad issues.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree. I call them out all the time. I

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<v Speaker 1>see it. Some of them don't deal with me. I

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<v Speaker 1>get it. So you're not gonna you can't.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you what the Democrats should be doing and aren't

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<v Speaker 3>doing more than me? Because I could get in that

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<v Speaker 3>argument and go But I know one thing. The Republicans

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<v Speaker 3>are the ones blocking the ability to pass legislation. And

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<v Speaker 3>it's not just let me go back. The Republicans are

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<v Speaker 3>overwhelmingly blocking our ability to pass legislation that would stop

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<v Speaker 3>these officers from being in getting fired from one place,

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<v Speaker 3>or being involved in the shooting of an unarmed individual

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<v Speaker 3>or some other egregious act and then going to a

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<v Speaker 3>different county and working in another place. That is something

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<v Speaker 3>that we want to see pass. And currently there's no

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<v Speaker 3>legislation even on the books. The overwhelming majority of Democrats

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<v Speaker 3>in the Senate and in the House support legislation that

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<v Speaker 3>would fix some of the police and issues.

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<v Speaker 1>That we currently face.

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<v Speaker 3>Is there more that needs to be done, Absolutely, but

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<v Speaker 3>still you have to call a spade so we can

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<v Speaker 3>go and and and I know some people say, we

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<v Speaker 3>don't care about that. Oh, So what you're saying is

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<v Speaker 3>you're cool with the fact that the officer who you

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<v Speaker 3>who killed Breonna Taylor now works in your county somewhere

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<v Speaker 3>else and has the potential to shoot and kill you two.

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<v Speaker 3>You so uninvolved in politics that you okay with the

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<v Speaker 3>shift of power going in that direction where your children

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<v Speaker 3>playing in the yard, or your children who are doing whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>going to school, driving back and forth, or even you

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<v Speaker 3>as a grown person, you're unpop political ass where you

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<v Speaker 3>could actually die because this same officer is running wild

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<v Speaker 3>and hasn't been stopped.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you can't.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't mean it changes policing entirely, but certainly we

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<v Speaker 3>have to have some guardrails and we don't even have

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<v Speaker 3>that at this time.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's all I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>I just think for me, and I'm gonna say this

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<v Speaker 4>real quick, that this whole thing is doesn't change policing,

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<v Speaker 4>and guns kill people, not I mean people can your

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<v Speaker 4>people not gun those things. These narratives are just so

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<v Speaker 4>false because we can we can point out in different

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<v Speaker 4>countries where policing is done differently. We can point out

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<v Speaker 4>different countries where with lack of access or less access

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<v Speaker 4>to guns to people who don't deserve or even qualify

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<v Speaker 4>to have them results and less depths.

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<v Speaker 2>So we can point these things out.

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<v Speaker 4>So when people keep saying there's no universal thing that

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<v Speaker 4>makes you think that police aren't gonna change or this

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<v Speaker 4>and that, and they are gonna change when legislation makes

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<v Speaker 4>them change, you know, there's consequences for poor acts. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>people are gonna stop shooting people when they can't get

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<v Speaker 4>a gun. When you're angry and you can't get a

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<v Speaker 4>gun because you don't qualify to get a gun because

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<v Speaker 4>you haven't passed the mental health part, or you don't

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<v Speaker 4>meet the criterias to get a gun, or somebody who

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<v Speaker 4>has a gun who's doing monthly check ins and doing

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<v Speaker 4>mental health you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever, or by them, especially if you have certain certain guns.

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<v Speaker 4>I think you should be going to get a test

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<v Speaker 4>every other month because people deal.

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<v Speaker 3>With message auditions, but you should definitely have criteria.

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<v Speaker 4>No, yeah, it should fifteen I got an AAR fifteen

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<v Speaker 4>in this house, and I'm dealing with shit all the time,

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<v Speaker 4>and nobody's checking on me to see if I'm all right.

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<v Speaker 2>And I walk outside one day and be like.

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<v Speaker 4>Fuck, I'm gonna take my life because people kill theyself

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<v Speaker 4>every day and a lot of what's happening in these

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<v Speaker 4>killings is killing suicide, right, so they plan on I'm

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<v Speaker 4>already looking. I'm ready to take me out now. I

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<v Speaker 4>got this AAR fifteen. I could take about fifteen twenty

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<v Speaker 4>more people out with me. And that's what's happening.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we're about to, you know, by the time our

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<v Speaker 3>show airs, hopefully we will find out whether or not

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<v Speaker 3>the Texas shooting that happened. I think it was Cleveland, Texas,

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<v Speaker 3>where just this past weekend we saw a family go

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<v Speaker 3>next door to a man's house and ask him to

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<v Speaker 3>stop shooting in the yard because their child was sleeping,

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<v Speaker 3>and he ended up shooting and killing five people of

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<v Speaker 3>the ten individuals that was in the house. I saw

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<v Speaker 3>the father speaking on the news earlier this morning. It

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<v Speaker 3>is so painful, and you know, we don't know we

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<v Speaker 3>did him. He's at large. The killer is at large.

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<v Speaker 3>They say he threw his cell phone down, took his

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<v Speaker 3>clothes off, left all his stuff somewhere in a wooded area,

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<v Speaker 3>and they didn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Where he is.

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<v Speaker 3>So hopefully by the time I show airs, we will

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<v Speaker 3>learn whether or not it is killer suicide, whether he's

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<v Speaker 3>killed himself or done some other things. Some people said

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<v Speaker 3>he may have made it to Mexico, but it's thirteen

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<v Speaker 3>hours away from where he was, so I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>how you get there unless my friend, our friend Jamie, said, well,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, they think all of us look alike because

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<v Speaker 3>he looks like he's a brown person.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he's not white.

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<v Speaker 3>He looks like he's Latino, right or something like that,

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<v Speaker 3>something of the Hispanic descent. So yes, I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>if they just assume because he's got a cap on

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<v Speaker 3>and he's moving around looking normal, and let him bust

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<v Speaker 3>bus bus bus bus to Mexico. But I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 3>Usually when they put that app out on you, baby,

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<v Speaker 3>they catch your ass, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Might be dead. Somebody gonna get you.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's Mental Health Awareness month. These are the first

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<v Speaker 3>few days. And you know you said you spent the

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<v Speaker 3>weekend in a space dealing with young people on mental health,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know we can't focus on health and wellness

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<v Speaker 3>is the biggest topic of a lifetime. Finance is important,

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<v Speaker 3>social justice is important, civil rights is important. But we

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<v Speaker 3>just came from talking about you can't even go to

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<v Speaker 3>the neighbor's house and say, yo, could you please, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>keep it down. You're shooting in your yard because we

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we got a baby in here sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't even do that because you can be.

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<v Speaker 5>Murdered.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, a massacre can happen to you.

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<v Speaker 3>So many people are dealing with mental health challenges, and

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<v Speaker 3>by the way, I'm not saying they still should not

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<v Speaker 3>be held accountable for their actions. It's not an excuse,

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<v Speaker 3>but it certainly is a reason the whole country has

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<v Speaker 3>gone stark, raving mad. People are out of control, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm seeing it every day, every single day.

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<v Speaker 4>Every day, every day I hear that somebody is dealing

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<v Speaker 4>with mental health issues. I'm watching young young kids are

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<v Speaker 4>dealing with mental health at rise and rate, or maybe

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<v Speaker 4>they've always, but I just think it's different my awareness

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<v Speaker 4>and me just paying attention and hearing you know what, stories,

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<v Speaker 4>stories and seeing what they're dealing with and just understanding

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<v Speaker 4>how these things are impacting them and how serious. They're

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<v Speaker 4>taking certain shit that I've never taken it serious before. Like,

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<v Speaker 4>I realize there are a lot of mental health things

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<v Speaker 4>going on in society right now. And I'm saying spiritual.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's spiritual warfare, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>Because the mental health and a lot of these things

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<v Speaker 4>are it's like they have demonic twists to them. You

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<v Speaker 4>know a lot of the things that when you when

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<v Speaker 4>you listen to what is controlling the minds of our kids,

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<v Speaker 4>what they don't have, fine clothing and this and that,

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<v Speaker 4>and being better than people, these things are mentally.

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<v Speaker 2>Impacting these babies. Man.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just like, yo, when I want to listen to

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<v Speaker 4>them and I see what they did with I'm like, yo,

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<v Speaker 4>you can't put that much stress on yourself like you

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<v Speaker 4>got you have to. You gotta give yourself some level

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<v Speaker 4>of grades. You gotta calm down. You a kid, You can't.

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<v Speaker 4>You can't think that you're gonna own the world today.

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<v Speaker 4>Like there's a process to these things. And I just

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I'm praying for these kids.

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<v Speaker 3>I hear you me too. Well, let's get into mental health.

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<v Speaker 3>Our guest today is a mental health expert, and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>looking forward to what she has to say. Doctor Laurene

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<v Speaker 3>Josephs is joining us today.

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<v Speaker 1>She is a social behavioral scientist black women.

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<v Speaker 3>This is like so big, and she's also the CEO

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<v Speaker 3>of Visionary Vanguard Group, which is a concerting a consulting

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<v Speaker 3>firm that that does research and evaluations on the outcomes

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<v Speaker 3>of under resource communities. So that's a big, powerful, powerful title.

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<v Speaker 3>And when we're talking about mental health, it seems to

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<v Speaker 3>me like even when a community is under resource, if

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<v Speaker 3>you're doing your research, you got to be finding out

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<v Speaker 3>that there's some mental health challenges that.

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<v Speaker 1>Come with that.

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<v Speaker 3>And so we're excited to have doctor Lauren Joseph to

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<v Speaker 3>join us on Street Politicians today.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you, it's a pleasure to be here. Thank you

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<v Speaker 6>so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you for being doctor Joseph.

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<v Speaker 4>So on this first week of mental you know, mental

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<v Speaker 4>Health Awareness Month, like I'm I'm obviously I was just

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<v Speaker 4>having this conversation with Anika. I've experienced that I will

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<v Speaker 4>use are dealing with mental health at rates that I

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<v Speaker 4>didn't even know existing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, according to the statistics, is it worse than

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<v Speaker 2>it was? Is it better? Like statistically, what do you

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<v Speaker 2>think is happening. Is it worse or better?

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<v Speaker 6>Actually, the statistics have been similar over time. One in

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<v Speaker 6>five percent, one in five individuals experiences a mental health

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<v Speaker 6>concern over the period of a year. What has happened, though,

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<v Speaker 6>is with the COVID pandemic, with social isolation, with children

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<v Speaker 6>not being in school for a period of time, and

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<v Speaker 6>just different ways of socialization being interrupted.

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<v Speaker 5>That has caused some concerns.

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<v Speaker 6>We don't really know the statistical impact of that yet

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<v Speaker 6>because the data typically is three to five years behind,

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<v Speaker 6>So what we're experiencing now we won't know.

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<v Speaker 5>We won't have the.

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<v Speaker 6>Accurate statistics to say this is a shift, but what

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<v Speaker 6>we feel and what we see in our practices suggests.

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<v Speaker 5>That there is.

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<v Speaker 4>So basically, what we're dealing with right now is a

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<v Speaker 4>result of things that happened three or four years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>So we ain't even really the data hasn't even come

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<v Speaker 4>out for the last couple of two years.

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<v Speaker 5>So wow, no.

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<v Speaker 6>No, there's preliminary information, but we don't have the whole picture.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that is very very important what you just said,

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't want it to go over people's heads

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<v Speaker 3>because you picked up on it too, Masan immediately. What

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<v Speaker 3>you are saying is that every three to four years,

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<v Speaker 3>scientists and analysis or analysts rather do work to you know,

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<v Speaker 3>sort of examine what's been happening in a time period

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<v Speaker 3>and they come out with studies that provides data that

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<v Speaker 3>you people use for medicine or whatever, for even policy

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<v Speaker 3>all of that. And at this point, the pandemic doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>even fall into the time period where we know the

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<v Speaker 3>full extent of what damage has been done to people mentally.

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<v Speaker 6>Absolutely, because we take retrospective looks, meaning that we look back.

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<v Speaker 6>It's very rare that we can prospectively examine concerns.

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<v Speaker 5>That are being addressed.

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<v Speaker 6>And what that just what that means in research talk

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<v Speaker 6>is that we're not looking from today forward. We're looking

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<v Speaker 6>and examining what has occurred.

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<v Speaker 5>So you're exactly right.

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<v Speaker 2>So how long have you been doing this work?

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<v Speaker 6>I have been a licensed psychotherapist for twenty three years

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<v Speaker 6>and I have been a behavioral scientist since two thousand

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<v Speaker 6>and five, so that's probably eighteen years if my math

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<v Speaker 6>is correct.

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<v Speaker 5>So for a long.

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<v Speaker 3>Time, what was the driving force for you to get

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<v Speaker 3>into this type of work?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 3>What was your background in your personal life like that

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<v Speaker 3>led you to this work?

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<v Speaker 6>You know I'm from Jamaica if you hear an accent,

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<v Speaker 6>and so being raised in Jamaica there, I didn't have

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<v Speaker 6>the framework or the language of mental health. It's it's

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<v Speaker 6>emerging in treatment in Jamaica at this time, but there

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<v Speaker 6>wasn't a really solid foundation. When we saw people on

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<v Speaker 6>the streets who I now know were experiencing mental illness,

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<v Speaker 6>we would say it's a mad man or a mado man.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 6>So I knew that I had a deep interest in

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<v Speaker 6>impacting change for for people who look like me, especially

0:28:38.480 --> 0:28:42.000
<v Speaker 6>come into the United States and very quickly learning what

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<v Speaker 6>it meant to be black in America. So I started

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<v Speaker 6>my career as a psychotherapist, working with youth who were

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<v Speaker 6>involved with the juvenile justice system and doing home visits,

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<v Speaker 6>and all of that led me to start making the

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<v Speaker 6>connections between the children who were incarcerated and were the

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<v Speaker 6>ones who I was seen and have learned since were

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<v Speaker 6>predominantly members of racial and ethnic minority groups. And so

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<v Speaker 6>I wanted to work more broadly to impact change in

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<v Speaker 6>societal outcomes. And so I returned to school to become

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<v Speaker 6>a researcher and social and behavioral scientists, and so I

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<v Speaker 6>was able to delve more deeply in the cross sections

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<v Speaker 6>of challenges that that certain segments of our population phase.

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<v Speaker 6>So's it just was my desire to impact change.

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<v Speaker 4>That's amazing. And what is the process? What is the

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<v Speaker 4>school in process? How many years did you have?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, there's a lot of times.

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<v Speaker 6>So I went to the University of Florida as an

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<v Speaker 6>undergraduate student, So that's four years. That doesn't count for anything.

0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:01.520
<v Speaker 6>You do that before you go to graduate school. So

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<v Speaker 6>I went to graduate school and earned a master's and

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<v Speaker 6>specialist degree also at University of Florida, and then I

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<v Speaker 6>attended the University of Central Florida to obtain my doctoral

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<v Speaker 6>degree in public Affairs, which is an interdisciplinary program that

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<v Speaker 6>helped to prepare me to address social problems.

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<v Speaker 5>So overall, it's four and three steps. Like a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of years out of my life, more than probably ten

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<v Speaker 5>to twelve years.

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<v Speaker 1>Did your family members think you were crazy?

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<v Speaker 5>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>What did they say that? They're like too.

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<v Speaker 3>Much schooling or you come from you come from a

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<v Speaker 3>Caribbean background, a Jamaican family, so I would assume that

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<v Speaker 3>there were some people pushing you along. But it seems

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<v Speaker 3>like when we're studying mental health, sometimes our family members

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<v Speaker 3>feel I don't know, it's like this, it's like it.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't know it, so they feel a little nervous

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<v Speaker 3>about are you trying to say?

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<v Speaker 1>We crazy?

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

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<v Speaker 6>You know, And so you're exactly right, you know, I'm Jamaican,

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<v Speaker 6>like Jamaican Jamaica, which comes with a lot of things,

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<v Speaker 6>and and you're exactly right. But my family has always

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<v Speaker 6>been supportive. They I knew that education was not an option.

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<v Speaker 6>It wouldn't have been an option if we stayed in Jamaica,

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<v Speaker 6>and it certainly wasn't an option when we came here.

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<v Speaker 6>But what I had to do was to educate my

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<v Speaker 6>family and bring them along.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 6>It's like, you know, sharing terminology the way we we

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<v Speaker 6>we we talk about people who are experiencing mental health

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<v Speaker 6>concerns so that we're not ostracizing them and authorizing them

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<v Speaker 6>and so and so, because that's a that's a whole

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<v Speaker 6>for those who are close to me, that there there

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<v Speaker 6>was a fair share of work that had to be

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<v Speaker 6>done done.

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<v Speaker 1>And still content say like you can't go out people retarded? Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I did. I want to This is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a serious question.

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<v Speaker 4>We're dealing with a lot of mental health, and we're

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<v Speaker 4>dealing with a lot of suicide and actual homicide.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you dealt with anyone.

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<v Speaker 4>Who's either lost their life but taken a life or

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<v Speaker 4>taken a life that you would particularly dealing with one

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<v Speaker 4>of your patients, None.

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<v Speaker 5>That completed that.

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<v Speaker 6>Many who had suicidal ideation, meaning that they had considered it,

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<v Speaker 6>considered it. And you know, there's a whole host of

0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:30.080
<v Speaker 6>other people who are not actively seeking means to end

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<v Speaker 6>their lives, but they what what what comes across and

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<v Speaker 6>what has come across in therapy is that I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 6>mind if I got hit by a bus.

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<v Speaker 5>I just wouldn't go through that.

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<v Speaker 6>So there's there are people who have suicidal ideation, There's

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<v Speaker 6>there are people who have attempted suicide and people who

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<v Speaker 6>have died by suicide.

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<v Speaker 5>And then there's a whole host of.

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<v Speaker 6>Other people who just wouldn't mind if a brick fell

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<v Speaker 6>on their head and ended their life.

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<v Speaker 5>And and it's very sad. So it's and it's it's not.

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<v Speaker 5>Sometimes what I see.

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<v Speaker 6>Is that people think that individuals who are experiencing that

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<v Speaker 6>level of sadness or disconnect or sense of hopelessness are

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<v Speaker 6>remarkably different from us.

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<v Speaker 5>The one, but but that's not the case. We What

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<v Speaker 5>what I found.

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<v Speaker 6>Is that we all have a certain capacity, right and

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<v Speaker 6>we we oftentimes don't have the appropriate outlets to address

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<v Speaker 6>the difficult emotions that we're having.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know, it's it come, it compounds over time.

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<v Speaker 6>And what there was a study that that came out

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<v Speaker 6>a few years ago which which showed that, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>because in years past we used to think that people

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<v Speaker 6>who ended their lives were depressed for a long period

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<v Speaker 6>of time, and then it led to that what there's

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<v Speaker 6>there's bodies of research that also showed that people in

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<v Speaker 6>the moment of something specific happening, that they make a

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<v Speaker 6>choice that ends up being a final choice. So that

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<v Speaker 6>it just is a whole host of.

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<v Speaker 5>Factors that we have to be mindful of.

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<v Speaker 6>It's not just the one look of a person, one

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<v Speaker 6>set of experiences.

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<v Speaker 5>It's very broad.

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<v Speaker 3>When you say that, it makes me think of Twitch,

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<v Speaker 3>the guy who was the dancer sort of the hype

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<v Speaker 3>man on the Ellen DeGeneres Show.

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<v Speaker 1>How they show you.

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<v Speaker 3>Pictures of him and his family the day before, like dancing,

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<v Speaker 3>his you know, family members. They didn't really have an

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<v Speaker 3>idea of him being suicidal, and then boom, this just happens,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's and I get your point that sometimes in

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<v Speaker 3>the moment, I've seen this actually with young girls who

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<v Speaker 3>are either choice trying to show the boyfriend how angry

0:35:02.360 --> 0:35:07.200
<v Speaker 3>they are, or they're so upset about a breakup or something.

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<v Speaker 3>And even I guess it happens with men, but I'm

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<v Speaker 3>saying my personal experience then with young women that in

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<v Speaker 3>the moment, they're like, I'm gonna, you know, slit my

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<v Speaker 3>wrists so he knows how much he hurt me, or

0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:21.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna do it, and then boom, they could either

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<v Speaker 3>be dead or they could be really close to death.

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<v Speaker 3>That's just and it's something that some of us can't fathom.

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<v Speaker 3>But when I simplify it like that and talk about

0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:32.879
<v Speaker 3>young women that I have seen in those situations, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>sure that there are other women that's like, damn, I

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<v Speaker 3>remember when I was sixteen and I was so angry

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<v Speaker 3>that he left me or I caught him with another

0:35:40.840 --> 0:35:45.120
<v Speaker 3>girl that I thought about doing something to get attention.

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<v Speaker 6>Absolutely absolutely, And you know the thing, when we hear

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<v Speaker 6>about suicide, we see a lot of men complete suicide.

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<v Speaker 5>And so I'm glad you brought up the topic of women.

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<v Speaker 6>And girls, because it's not that women and girls are

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<v Speaker 6>attempting less it's that less lethal methods are used in

0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:14.880
<v Speaker 6>the attempt So with with men, there are more firearms

0:36:14.920 --> 0:36:20.440
<v Speaker 6>that are used, which is more deadly. With with with girls,

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<v Speaker 6>like you were talking about teenage girls, you'll see, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>you'll you'll see less lethal methods, so like trying to

0:36:27.400 --> 0:36:31.439
<v Speaker 6>overdose and things of that nature. So that is one

0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:35.719
<v Speaker 6>reason for the discrepancy in the or the disparity in

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<v Speaker 6>the numbers of suicide depths between genders. It's the lethality

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<v Speaker 6>of the method that's used in the in the attempts.

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<v Speaker 4>So you know what, you know what, I was sitting

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<v Speaker 4>here thinking, we do a lot of work and we

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<v Speaker 4>deal with a lot of trauma, Like we deal with families,

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<v Speaker 4>and we take on trauma daily. We see death, we

0:36:57.520 --> 0:37:01.800
<v Speaker 4>see pain all the time, and it's a lot for us. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>So do you have a therapist and how is it

0:37:05.160 --> 0:37:08.600
<v Speaker 4>that you do you take on the trauma of your patients.

0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:10.719
<v Speaker 4>Do you feel like you personalize it and you take

0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:13.440
<v Speaker 4>it home sometime and you have to find ways to release.

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<v Speaker 5>That's an excellent question.

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<v Speaker 6>There's this phenomenon called vicarious trauma and it's you get

0:37:23.760 --> 0:37:27.879
<v Speaker 6>vicarious trauma by being in situations where you are where

0:37:27.920 --> 0:37:31.960
<v Speaker 6>there's a lot of trauma that's present in others. So

0:37:32.000 --> 0:37:36.480
<v Speaker 6>there's death, there's so the work you do, right, it's

0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:40.680
<v Speaker 6>it's the same in therapists that are working with highly

0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:45.919
<v Speaker 6>traumatic cases. Not all therapy is about addressing trauma. There

0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:49.880
<v Speaker 6>are a situational and adjustment things that happen in people

0:37:50.000 --> 0:37:55.279
<v Speaker 6>like that they also seek therapy for. But it's important

0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:59.200
<v Speaker 6>to know that when we think about trauma, we think

0:37:59.239 --> 0:38:02.759
<v Speaker 6>about death, we think about you know, all those you know,

0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:05.040
<v Speaker 6>we think about rape, we think about all of those

0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:09.040
<v Speaker 6>things that are classified as trauma. What's important to note

0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:15.319
<v Speaker 6>is that those toxic, toxic levels of stress compounded over

0:38:15.400 --> 0:38:20.560
<v Speaker 6>time impacts our brains in the same way that major

0:38:20.719 --> 0:38:21.560
<v Speaker 6>trauma does.

0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:25.000
<v Speaker 5>So we're we're so for.

0:38:24.719 --> 0:38:29.760
<v Speaker 6>For for you or people therapists who are working with

0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:35.400
<v Speaker 6>with individuals who are living through traumatic experiences and and

0:38:35.560 --> 0:38:41.319
<v Speaker 6>are don't don't process that well, that's one side.

0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:42.000
<v Speaker 5>Of the burden.

0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:45.360
<v Speaker 6>The other side of the weight is the toxic level

0:38:45.440 --> 0:38:49.799
<v Speaker 6>of stress. So it's like from from both sides, from

0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:52.839
<v Speaker 6>both from both sides. So you asked the question about

0:38:52.880 --> 0:38:55.680
<v Speaker 6>do I have a therapist. What I have is when

0:38:55.719 --> 0:38:58.839
<v Speaker 6>you're when you are a mental health practitioner, you have

0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:03.160
<v Speaker 6>a cadre of individuals who are mental health practitioners who

0:39:03.200 --> 0:39:06.719
<v Speaker 6>you you have the benefit of debriefing and and and

0:39:06.920 --> 0:39:10.080
<v Speaker 6>addressing concerns in a in a way even when you

0:39:10.160 --> 0:39:14.000
<v Speaker 6>have large caseloads. I don't anymore. A lot of the

0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:16.239
<v Speaker 6>work that I do is in in research. But when

0:39:16.239 --> 0:39:19.839
<v Speaker 6>you have caseloads, you you you there's a part of

0:39:19.880 --> 0:39:25.160
<v Speaker 6>the process that requires you to consult with other mental

0:39:25.200 --> 0:39:29.960
<v Speaker 6>health practitioners to so that you're not absorbing all of

0:39:30.120 --> 0:39:32.600
<v Speaker 6>all of that because if you don't have a way

0:39:32.640 --> 0:39:36.040
<v Speaker 6>to address that that's coming in, like I said, we

0:39:36.080 --> 0:39:40.840
<v Speaker 6>have a threshold and you know, we can end up

0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:42.200
<v Speaker 6>collapsing under the pressure.

0:39:43.880 --> 0:39:44.160
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:39:44.239 --> 0:39:46.480
<v Speaker 3>I mean it's so deep that it's like a pause.

0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:47.759
<v Speaker 3>It's a cause for a.

0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:49.719
<v Speaker 1>Pause just to think through.

0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:53.320
<v Speaker 3>As you said, it's a stressful thing to even hear

0:39:53.440 --> 0:39:57.600
<v Speaker 3>the stories constantly and to take to bed with you.

0:39:58.239 --> 0:40:01.879
<v Speaker 3>How do I advise this person or what more can

0:40:01.920 --> 0:40:04.320
<v Speaker 3>I do? Or am I showing up the right way?

0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:07.080
<v Speaker 3>It's true, you know I experience it and it took

0:40:07.120 --> 0:40:11.000
<v Speaker 3>me to a very dark place between the years of

0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:14.040
<v Speaker 3>trauma that I've been taking on by dealing with families

0:40:14.080 --> 0:40:17.000
<v Speaker 3>and working with people who have been through unthinkable pain

0:40:17.760 --> 0:40:22.920
<v Speaker 3>or who are experiencing unthinkable pain, and then also having

0:40:22.960 --> 0:40:25.799
<v Speaker 3>my own trauma all sort of colliding.

0:40:26.560 --> 0:40:29.600
<v Speaker 1>It's a lot, and you know, I think therapy.

0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:33.200
<v Speaker 3>Is probably one of the most helpful things that I

0:40:33.280 --> 0:40:33.960
<v Speaker 3>do now.

0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:37.160
<v Speaker 1>And then there are some people who need their medication.

0:40:37.719 --> 0:40:40.840
<v Speaker 3>Like I know Wes say, we don't want to take medication,

0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:42.520
<v Speaker 3>try natural remedies.

0:40:42.560 --> 0:40:43.960
<v Speaker 1>I get that. I support that.

0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:46.239
<v Speaker 3>I try my best if something is wrong with me,

0:40:47.000 --> 0:40:50.680
<v Speaker 3>not to go straight to a pill or whatever, a cold,

0:40:50.920 --> 0:40:53.640
<v Speaker 3>you know, any of those things. But some people need

0:40:53.680 --> 0:40:57.760
<v Speaker 3>to be on prescribed medication that is under a doctor's

0:40:57.840 --> 0:41:01.360
<v Speaker 3>kid to keep their levels together. Talk about that, because

0:41:01.640 --> 0:41:04.880
<v Speaker 3>there is a stigma that if you get on medicine.

0:41:04.560 --> 0:41:07.799
<v Speaker 1>You are you know, you just are out, You're just insane,

0:41:08.160 --> 0:41:13.120
<v Speaker 1>and there's a the stigma.

0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:16.000
<v Speaker 3>Is embarrassing, right right, People don't want you to know

0:41:16.040 --> 0:41:16.880
<v Speaker 3>that they are on medication.

0:41:17.200 --> 0:41:19.319
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you know, And if you really think about it,

0:41:19.400 --> 0:41:24.239
<v Speaker 6>there has been an evolution over time of what illnesses

0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:29.920
<v Speaker 6>have stigma attached to them. Decades ago, people didn't want

0:41:29.960 --> 0:41:32.800
<v Speaker 6>to say that they had cancer. You know, I remember

0:41:32.880 --> 0:41:36.120
<v Speaker 6>people it's like being and this was when I was

0:41:36.200 --> 0:41:38.719
<v Speaker 6>very little, of there's a family member. Nobody wanted to

0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:42.080
<v Speaker 6>say cancer. Now, when we think about it in twenty

0:41:42.160 --> 0:41:49.040
<v Speaker 6>twenty three, that sounds like wild, right. But medication is

0:41:48.719 --> 0:41:54.719
<v Speaker 6>an important part of treating mental illness, particularly persistent and

0:41:54.840 --> 0:41:59.360
<v Speaker 6>pervasive mental health disorders. It's important, though, to know that

0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:05.640
<v Speaker 6>the research shows that medication and therapy works best for

0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:10.000
<v Speaker 6>those who require medication, because while the medication can you know,

0:42:10.040 --> 0:42:13.600
<v Speaker 6>as you said, you know, just let's just say colloquially

0:42:14.120 --> 0:42:18.080
<v Speaker 6>balance your levels out or whatever, it doesn't teach you

0:42:18.320 --> 0:42:22.840
<v Speaker 6>how to deal with your mental health disorder. It doesn't

0:42:22.880 --> 0:42:25.560
<v Speaker 6>teach you how to deal with the difficult emotion, It

0:42:25.600 --> 0:42:28.560
<v Speaker 6>doesn't teach you how to cope. And so it needs

0:42:28.600 --> 0:42:32.439
<v Speaker 6>to be a too promped approach for individuals who who

0:42:32.520 --> 0:42:37.280
<v Speaker 6>need medicines. We wouldn't say, you know, there's no shame

0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:40.640
<v Speaker 6>if somebody has to take medicine because they have high

0:42:40.680 --> 0:42:44.640
<v Speaker 6>cholesterol or heart disease or you know a host of

0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:49.480
<v Speaker 6>other chronic conditions. For individuals with persistent and pervasive mental

0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:52.759
<v Speaker 6>health disorders that are chronic, it should be no more

0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:57.480
<v Speaker 6>shame than addressing our physical health needs, because it's, if

0:42:57.520 --> 0:42:58.840
<v Speaker 6>you want to think about it, it's.

0:42:58.719 --> 0:43:03.600
<v Speaker 5>A brain based disord. So it is you know, we're treating.

0:43:03.280 --> 0:43:09.360
<v Speaker 6>The basis of that when we use when prescriptions are involved.

0:43:09.640 --> 0:43:12.319
<v Speaker 3>But do you believe in lifetime medicine or are you

0:43:12.520 --> 0:43:20.200
<v Speaker 3>the type of behavioral scientists who believes that it's possible

0:43:20.239 --> 0:43:22.160
<v Speaker 3>for people to move off of it, Because I think

0:43:22.280 --> 0:43:25.040
<v Speaker 3>that is one of the concerns of our people, of

0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:29.200
<v Speaker 3>black folks, that once you're put on medicine, especially by

0:43:29.239 --> 0:43:33.200
<v Speaker 3>white doctors, it's like they're upping the dose, right they're

0:43:33.200 --> 0:43:35.880
<v Speaker 3>telling you. Because I was being told when I was

0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:38.000
<v Speaker 3>having my mental health issues that I needed to be

0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:39.080
<v Speaker 3>on Ridlin.

0:43:40.800 --> 0:43:44.400
<v Speaker 1>And a couple other like psychees. I don't know how to.

0:43:44.400 --> 0:43:50.400
<v Speaker 3>Do psychotropic medications exactly, psychotropic medications when in fact I

0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:54.319
<v Speaker 3>take something now twice a day that is not that

0:43:54.680 --> 0:43:59.120
<v Speaker 3>it literally helps me just not be excited and nervous.

0:43:59.160 --> 0:44:02.120
<v Speaker 3>It helps me with things and I'm doing I mean,

0:44:02.160 --> 0:44:05.279
<v Speaker 3>I think my son knows from knowing my struggle and

0:44:05.400 --> 0:44:07.480
<v Speaker 3>watching me over all these years.

0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:10.840
<v Speaker 1>Don't do that, my son, but watching.

0:44:10.480 --> 0:44:14.080
<v Speaker 3>Me over all these years, he knows if I'm not

0:44:14.200 --> 0:44:17.959
<v Speaker 3>if I have not taken my medicine. It is very

0:44:18.080 --> 0:44:22.320
<v Speaker 3>clear to him and other people around that, hey, you

0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:25.120
<v Speaker 3>all right, you know you strang do you need to

0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:27.400
<v Speaker 3>you know, did you get your medicine today or whatever?

0:44:27.920 --> 0:44:31.080
<v Speaker 3>And that accountability helps me. And I know I'm talking

0:44:31.080 --> 0:44:32.759
<v Speaker 3>a lot, but this is important because this is a

0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:35.920
<v Speaker 3>big topic for me. It actually makes me very emotional

0:44:36.960 --> 0:44:42.560
<v Speaker 3>because there are times when I am mad at everybody,

0:44:42.600 --> 0:44:46.200
<v Speaker 3>including God, that I have to take medicine twice a day,

0:44:46.800 --> 0:44:50.520
<v Speaker 3>and so sometimes because of the fact that for the

0:44:50.560 --> 0:44:54.560
<v Speaker 3>initial hour, so it can make me tired, right like,

0:44:54.640 --> 0:44:56.759
<v Speaker 3>I feel like I need to maybe rest, so I

0:44:56.800 --> 0:45:00.920
<v Speaker 3>have to take my medicine before I get moving, so

0:45:01.000 --> 0:45:03.040
<v Speaker 3>I can, you know, get that part off of me.

0:45:03.480 --> 0:45:06.479
<v Speaker 1>It's not always convenient. I don't always want to deal

0:45:06.520 --> 0:45:07.359
<v Speaker 1>with it, you know.

0:45:07.440 --> 0:45:09.760
<v Speaker 3>If I don't want to go to sleep yet tonight,

0:45:10.120 --> 0:45:12.319
<v Speaker 3>you know what I'm saying, And so sometimes I fight it,

0:45:12.680 --> 0:45:15.840
<v Speaker 3>but then the next day it is so clear that

0:45:15.960 --> 0:45:17.120
<v Speaker 3>I didn't take my medicine.

0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:18.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm anxious and whatever.

0:45:18.920 --> 0:45:22.800
<v Speaker 3>So do you believe in helping people to work towards

0:45:22.840 --> 0:45:24.960
<v Speaker 3>getting off of it or do you think that once

0:45:25.000 --> 0:45:27.640
<v Speaker 3>you're on something, you should just stay there until.

0:45:28.080 --> 0:45:28.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:30.719
<v Speaker 6>Well, anyone who says that when you're on something you

0:45:30.760 --> 0:45:36.279
<v Speaker 6>should stay there forever is not informed.

0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:38.960
<v Speaker 5>I cannot speak to.

0:45:40.640 --> 0:45:44.680
<v Speaker 6>You know, as a licensed practitioner, I cannot speak to

0:45:44.880 --> 0:45:48.560
<v Speaker 6>a specific issue if I'm not the person who's providing

0:45:48.680 --> 0:45:52.080
<v Speaker 6>the intervention for that person. What I will say is

0:45:52.120 --> 0:45:57.399
<v Speaker 6>that in many cases, depending on the diagnosis, it might

0:45:57.440 --> 0:46:02.120
<v Speaker 6>be situational, right, and so it's important to be under

0:46:02.120 --> 0:46:06.520
<v Speaker 6>the care of a mental health practitioner to so so

0:46:06.560 --> 0:46:10.799
<v Speaker 6>that the symptoms can be addressed and the medication modified

0:46:10.880 --> 0:46:16.000
<v Speaker 6>over time with the treating physician. So and I'll also

0:46:16.080 --> 0:46:20.279
<v Speaker 6>say with respect to children, and you mentioned rittilin, which

0:46:20.280 --> 0:46:24.960
<v Speaker 6>is is one of the older classes medicines that that

0:46:24.960 --> 0:46:33.120
<v Speaker 6>that were used for ADHD. Good physicians will tell parents

0:46:33.160 --> 0:46:37.000
<v Speaker 6>that there are certain times when the child is not

0:46:37.120 --> 0:46:39.759
<v Speaker 6>to take the medicine for a couple of days on

0:46:39.960 --> 0:46:43.680
<v Speaker 6>a weekend or so or so, to see what the

0:46:43.760 --> 0:46:48.200
<v Speaker 6>symptoms are like, because that's how you recognize.

0:46:47.520 --> 0:46:48.919
<v Speaker 5>If there change is being made.

0:46:48.920 --> 0:46:54.239
<v Speaker 6>The brain is very malleable, and particularly in younger children,

0:46:54.680 --> 0:46:57.680
<v Speaker 6>the brain is trying to work itself out, and so

0:46:58.040 --> 0:47:02.760
<v Speaker 6>there are opportunities given for children who are on various

0:47:02.800 --> 0:47:09.440
<v Speaker 6>medication to to make adjustments and ultimate ultimately stop taking

0:47:09.480 --> 0:47:14.239
<v Speaker 6>medications if the symptoms resolve itself. For adults, the same

0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:18.200
<v Speaker 6>is also true because not in all cases is the

0:47:18.440 --> 0:47:24.080
<v Speaker 6>underlying cause of the mental health concern which is the

0:47:24.120 --> 0:47:27.560
<v Speaker 6>basis of the medication. In In not all cases is

0:47:27.600 --> 0:47:33.400
<v Speaker 6>it chronic. It can be something acute based on factors

0:47:33.480 --> 0:47:36.279
<v Speaker 6>that have popped up over the past six months or

0:47:36.320 --> 0:47:39.120
<v Speaker 6>a year, and which can be resolved with a.

0:47:39.320 --> 0:47:42.880
<v Speaker 5>Plan that's developed by those.

0:47:42.640 --> 0:47:47.560
<v Speaker 6>Who are participating in the treatment plan development process.

0:47:49.239 --> 0:47:50.480
<v Speaker 2>So do you do you have children?

0:47:50.760 --> 0:47:53.520
<v Speaker 5>I have one son. He is in third grade.

0:47:53.560 --> 0:47:57.440
<v Speaker 6>He's doing well, and so yeah, you know you asked

0:47:57.440 --> 0:48:01.160
<v Speaker 6>about medicines. He's had to take medication and so you know,

0:48:01.200 --> 0:48:05.560
<v Speaker 6>I've seen where he has been weaned off medicine. So

0:48:05.600 --> 0:48:08.160
<v Speaker 6>I know that not only us from the role of

0:48:08.360 --> 0:48:10.240
<v Speaker 6>the the.

0:48:09.560 --> 0:48:11.960
<v Speaker 5>Therapists and as a person who's who's.

0:48:11.800 --> 0:48:15.000
<v Speaker 6>Participated in the development of treatment blends, but the one

0:48:15.000 --> 0:48:17.920
<v Speaker 6>who as a parent of a child who's had to

0:48:17.960 --> 0:48:21.879
<v Speaker 6>take medicine. Specifically in this case for ADHD is one

0:48:22.000 --> 0:48:25.520
<v Speaker 6>of his his concern, not his special need, but that's

0:48:25.600 --> 0:48:26.839
<v Speaker 6>he's also ADHD.

0:48:26.960 --> 0:48:32.280
<v Speaker 1>The ADHD. They didn't have ADHD. That's what I had.

0:48:32.920 --> 0:48:35.080
<v Speaker 1>We all like, I had.

0:48:35.000 --> 0:48:38.799
<v Speaker 3>ADHD and it was undiagnosed. And by the way, or

0:48:38.880 --> 0:48:41.960
<v Speaker 3>half of my cousins have it too. And I say

0:48:42.080 --> 0:48:47.000
<v Speaker 3>had because we still today have issues where people suffer

0:48:47.120 --> 0:48:53.080
<v Speaker 3>from hypertension or hyper whatever activity and not being able

0:48:53.120 --> 0:48:55.320
<v Speaker 3>to focus and all of that. But they've never And

0:48:55.400 --> 0:48:57.800
<v Speaker 3>if you would have tried to tell our parents that

0:48:57.920 --> 0:49:00.680
<v Speaker 3>we had something called ADHD, they would have said, I'm

0:49:00.680 --> 0:49:09.000
<v Speaker 3>on ADHD, your ass, that's what I'm going yep, yep, yep,

0:49:09.239 --> 0:49:11.640
<v Speaker 3>you know, and they would not have even tried to learn.

0:49:13.280 --> 0:49:14.399
<v Speaker 1>You had to come out.

0:49:15.200 --> 0:49:17.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you had to come You had to be born

0:49:17.560 --> 0:49:22.480
<v Speaker 3>and lived with something that was so far on the spectrum,

0:49:22.520 --> 0:49:25.160
<v Speaker 3>like you had to have a you couldn't talk or

0:49:25.200 --> 0:49:28.560
<v Speaker 3>you looked a certain way that it was clear that

0:49:28.640 --> 0:49:32.160
<v Speaker 3>there was an issue for them to actually engage in

0:49:32.200 --> 0:49:35.560
<v Speaker 3>trying to figure out a mental health plan or any

0:49:35.640 --> 0:49:38.840
<v Speaker 3>kind of plan, a medical plan. But to for you

0:49:38.960 --> 0:49:42.279
<v Speaker 3>to just tell a parent of our time that the

0:49:42.400 --> 0:49:47.000
<v Speaker 3>kid had ADHD and they were functioning and could sing, knew.

0:49:46.880 --> 0:49:49.680
<v Speaker 1>The songs, could you do all this stuff?

0:49:49.680 --> 0:49:54.120
<v Speaker 3>They were like, man, I don't yeah, yeah, yeah, you know.

0:49:54.200 --> 0:49:57.960
<v Speaker 6>And the thing is what happens because and it's still

0:49:58.000 --> 0:50:02.120
<v Speaker 6>happening today when when children are not diagnosed, what you

0:50:02.160 --> 0:50:06.239
<v Speaker 6>see is that they're mislabeled as problem children. You know

0:50:06.480 --> 0:50:09.960
<v Speaker 6>they're they're you know they're because it interferes with how

0:50:10.000 --> 0:50:13.279
<v Speaker 6>you learn. And so you see children who are being

0:50:13.320 --> 0:50:17.279
<v Speaker 6>classified as having learning disorders, or you see children who

0:50:17.280 --> 0:50:22.080
<v Speaker 6>are misclassified as emotional behavioral disorder, which it takes. It's

0:50:22.080 --> 0:50:26.480
<v Speaker 6>a it's a pipeline in a lot of senses to

0:50:26.480 --> 0:50:30.160
<v Speaker 6>to the juvenile justice system in many schools, and so

0:50:30.640 --> 0:50:36.720
<v Speaker 6>it's really important for us to be open to having

0:50:36.760 --> 0:50:41.040
<v Speaker 6>our children assessed. If we if we if if if

0:50:41.080 --> 0:50:45.040
<v Speaker 6>someone has approached us with what they see from their

0:50:45.560 --> 0:50:49.279
<v Speaker 6>professional lens and so not just to cut them off,

0:50:49.480 --> 0:50:50.160
<v Speaker 6>then you're right.

0:50:50.280 --> 0:50:51.319
<v Speaker 5>There was a there was.

0:50:51.320 --> 0:50:55.400
<v Speaker 6>A point in time, and it's still persists today, particularly

0:50:55.440 --> 0:50:58.120
<v Speaker 6>in some segments of our population where some parents are

0:50:58.160 --> 0:51:00.560
<v Speaker 6>not trying to hear it. And then there's a whole

0:51:00.880 --> 0:51:03.560
<v Speaker 6>other side of the population that wants to get their

0:51:03.640 --> 0:51:05.319
<v Speaker 6>kids what's called a crazy check.

0:51:05.840 --> 0:51:08.400
<v Speaker 5>So you know, it's it's there's a dichotomy.

0:51:08.800 --> 0:51:10.080
<v Speaker 3>My son, I didn't mean to cut you because I

0:51:10.120 --> 0:51:12.960
<v Speaker 3>know you had a point, but doctor Joseph as a

0:51:13.040 --> 0:51:17.680
<v Speaker 3>Caribbean woman, would you say that in the Caribbean community specifically,

0:51:17.880 --> 0:51:20.520
<v Speaker 3>there are those issues where there are people who don't

0:51:20.560 --> 0:51:30.760
<v Speaker 3>want to hear it. Absolutely, absolutely, But j Maican came

0:51:30.800 --> 0:51:31.480
<v Speaker 3>out all the way.

0:51:32.440 --> 0:51:33.840
<v Speaker 5>It's it's true.

0:51:33.960 --> 0:51:34.799
<v Speaker 1>It's none wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, my dumb son, It's like, yeah, it's like.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I'm deal, but it's it's it's so true, and

0:51:42.320 --> 0:51:45.320
<v Speaker 5>it's it's it's a problem.

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<v Speaker 4>You want to ask two questions because I know we

0:51:48.640 --> 0:51:50.399
<v Speaker 4>have to go so the two things that won't ask.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you think because what it seems to me is

0:51:53.680 --> 0:51:57.840
<v Speaker 4>what I've been hearing is that there are mainly black

0:51:57.880 --> 0:52:01.000
<v Speaker 4>boys being diagnosed with ADHD. A lot of I think,

0:52:02.040 --> 0:52:07.000
<v Speaker 4>are we over diagnosed with it? Is it proper or

0:52:07.160 --> 0:52:10.279
<v Speaker 4>every are they just over using just the term? And

0:52:10.480 --> 0:52:13.759
<v Speaker 4>two the stigma that's around mental health with.

0:52:13.960 --> 0:52:17.440
<v Speaker 2>Just black men period. Yeah.

0:52:17.600 --> 0:52:20.920
<v Speaker 4>No, do you have like any advice how do we

0:52:21.120 --> 0:52:24.399
<v Speaker 4>get black men to just want to open up, want

0:52:24.440 --> 0:52:26.719
<v Speaker 4>to just talk about the things that they're dealing with

0:52:26.719 --> 0:52:28.680
<v Speaker 4>because a lot of us, like as a young man,

0:52:28.719 --> 0:52:30.319
<v Speaker 4>I was taught that we were supposed to just deal

0:52:30.360 --> 0:52:33.120
<v Speaker 4>with what we had to deal with, you know, Nobody

0:52:33.120 --> 0:52:34.160
<v Speaker 4>wants to hear you crying.

0:52:34.239 --> 0:52:37.319
<v Speaker 2>Nobody wants all of that. So what is it?

0:52:37.840 --> 0:52:40.960
<v Speaker 5>I think, And I'll start with that question first. I

0:52:40.960 --> 0:52:41.680
<v Speaker 5>think that it's.

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<v Speaker 6>Up to us, those who are in the process of

0:52:45.040 --> 0:52:51.000
<v Speaker 6>raising black boys, to this is where prospectively, we can

0:52:51.040 --> 0:52:52.520
<v Speaker 6>do something where we're not.

0:52:53.400 --> 0:52:55.080
<v Speaker 5>We can choose today to.

0:52:56.800 --> 0:53:01.239
<v Speaker 6>Allow our children, particularly and it's for girls too. But

0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:06.160
<v Speaker 6>you ask a question about black males, but for black

0:53:06.239 --> 0:53:12.719
<v Speaker 6>boys to be able to articulate how they're feeling without censoring.

0:53:13.640 --> 0:53:17.200
<v Speaker 6>A lot of times we are expected to be robotic,

0:53:18.520 --> 0:53:23.760
<v Speaker 6>like we are only expected to only a small range

0:53:23.800 --> 0:53:28.160
<v Speaker 6>of emotions is viewed as acceptable. Anything outside of that

0:53:28.360 --> 0:53:33.120
<v Speaker 6>is we And what we're doing is setting up our

0:53:33.200 --> 0:53:37.640
<v Speaker 6>children to become men who, first of all, don't have

0:53:37.719 --> 0:53:43.520
<v Speaker 6>the language to communicate what they're experiencing, because that's half

0:53:43.560 --> 0:53:43.879
<v Speaker 6>of it.

0:53:44.600 --> 0:53:47.160
<v Speaker 5>We don't have the emotional.

0:53:48.840 --> 0:53:55.319
<v Speaker 6>Vocabulary to talk about what we're feeling. And I think

0:53:55.360 --> 0:54:00.640
<v Speaker 6>it starts there to help our children to identify what

0:54:00.800 --> 0:54:03.560
<v Speaker 6>is it this, This is anger and to recognize anger

0:54:03.680 --> 0:54:07.040
<v Speaker 6>is not there's nothing wrong with anger, it's how we

0:54:07.120 --> 0:54:09.080
<v Speaker 6>respond to that anger and.

0:54:08.920 --> 0:54:11.920
<v Speaker 5>That we we don't we don't do.

0:54:12.000 --> 0:54:16.440
<v Speaker 6>Well with with helping our children to recognize and process

0:54:16.560 --> 0:54:19.880
<v Speaker 6>the difficult emotions they're feeling, and so as children we

0:54:20.000 --> 0:54:26.040
<v Speaker 6>grow up into adulthood with the absence of that emotional intelligence.

0:54:26.320 --> 0:54:28.240
<v Speaker 5>The other question on over.

0:54:28.080 --> 0:54:33.360
<v Speaker 6>Diagnosing, I don't necessarily think that that's a broad problem.

0:54:33.760 --> 0:54:37.040
<v Speaker 6>What has happened is that there's more awareness. Whenever you

0:54:37.160 --> 0:54:41.359
<v Speaker 6>see more awareness, you think that there is that it's

0:54:41.360 --> 0:54:45.160
<v Speaker 6>happening more right. You can some people talk about that,

0:54:45.320 --> 0:54:47.600
<v Speaker 6>you know, in terms of there seems to be a

0:54:47.600 --> 0:54:51.120
<v Speaker 6>lot of violence against like police violence.

0:54:50.760 --> 0:54:51.200
<v Speaker 2>And so on.

0:54:51.360 --> 0:54:54.160
<v Speaker 5>Was it not happening before? Are or do we are

0:54:54.200 --> 0:54:54.600
<v Speaker 5>we now?

0:54:54.680 --> 0:54:58.200
<v Speaker 6>Do we now have an awareness of what has been happening.

0:54:58.480 --> 0:54:59.960
<v Speaker 5>So the same is true.

0:54:59.719 --> 0:55:04.360
<v Speaker 6>With with the diagnostic process with the absence of data.

0:55:05.080 --> 0:55:08.480
<v Speaker 6>You know, I'm a scientist, so you know, questions like that,

0:55:08.880 --> 0:55:12.360
<v Speaker 6>which feels simple, tend to be hard for me to

0:55:12.560 --> 0:55:16.600
<v Speaker 6>understanding the absence of data. I don't necessarily think that

0:55:16.680 --> 0:55:21.200
<v Speaker 6>there's an overdiagnosis. I think there's an increased awareness of

0:55:21.239 --> 0:55:24.760
<v Speaker 6>what the challenges are and now there's a now people

0:55:24.880 --> 0:55:30.080
<v Speaker 6>know what to do in more cases, although we have

0:55:30.160 --> 0:55:30.759
<v Speaker 6>a waste to go.

0:55:31.400 --> 0:55:35.880
<v Speaker 4>So why do you think black males seem to experience

0:55:35.920 --> 0:55:38.080
<v Speaker 4>it more based off.

0:55:38.960 --> 0:55:41.839
<v Speaker 3>The perceive in she says she don't have the day

0:55:41.960 --> 0:55:43.279
<v Speaker 3>she wants you to tell her.

0:55:44.080 --> 0:55:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Where there is a finding.

0:55:47.200 --> 0:55:50.680
<v Speaker 3>That says that that's difference because I'm going to tell

0:55:50.719 --> 0:55:54.320
<v Speaker 3>you something. This is my personal belief, and doctor Joseph,

0:55:54.360 --> 0:55:57.320
<v Speaker 3>we want to let you go, but here's my personal belief.

0:55:58.120 --> 0:56:00.359
<v Speaker 3>I don't think that there's a difference. I think that

0:56:00.840 --> 0:56:05.719
<v Speaker 3>it's on both sides. The issue of ADHD, right, I

0:56:05.719 --> 0:56:09.400
<v Speaker 3>think it's on both sides. I do think that people

0:56:09.480 --> 0:56:15.040
<v Speaker 3>don't necessarily take their children or themselves to the doctor

0:56:15.160 --> 0:56:18.560
<v Speaker 3>to figure these things out. And when you're dealing with boys,

0:56:18.920 --> 0:56:21.520
<v Speaker 3>it can get to be so out of control with

0:56:21.600 --> 0:56:24.640
<v Speaker 3>the school and the calling and the fighting and the whatever,

0:56:25.080 --> 0:56:27.320
<v Speaker 3>that after a while they're forced to go somewhere to

0:56:27.360 --> 0:56:29.520
<v Speaker 3>figure it out and then they tell you it's ADHD.

0:56:29.840 --> 0:56:33.840
<v Speaker 3>Whereas the girls, just because of the nature of us,

0:56:34.040 --> 0:56:36.960
<v Speaker 3>we can kind of control it, like not control it.

0:56:37.000 --> 0:56:37.960
<v Speaker 1>But it's just different.

0:56:38.719 --> 0:56:43.200
<v Speaker 3>The way that it is expressed is not always the

0:56:43.200 --> 0:56:46.200
<v Speaker 3>fighting and the whatever. We might have other things going

0:56:46.239 --> 0:56:51.000
<v Speaker 3>on that don't show up until later, like hypersexuality. We haven't,

0:56:51.040 --> 0:56:53.279
<v Speaker 3>you know, doing things like that, And I think it's

0:56:53.360 --> 0:56:58.040
<v Speaker 3>just that even in the professional field, we just haven't

0:56:58.640 --> 0:57:01.839
<v Speaker 3>wrapped or maybe it's like in a mental health profession, you.

0:57:01.800 --> 0:57:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Haven't wrapped your arms.

0:57:03.520 --> 0:57:07.399
<v Speaker 3>The community hasn't wrapped his arms around how to talk

0:57:07.440 --> 0:57:10.080
<v Speaker 3>about the differences and how these things show up.

0:57:10.440 --> 0:57:11.560
<v Speaker 1>That's what I think is.

0:57:12.200 --> 0:57:16.000
<v Speaker 6>And also it's important to know that sometimes what we

0:57:16.120 --> 0:57:22.480
<v Speaker 6>see as these angry outbursts that are viewed as hyperactive

0:57:23.600 --> 0:57:28.000
<v Speaker 6>are also symptoms of depression and children because it's manifested differently.

0:57:28.160 --> 0:57:31.880
<v Speaker 6>So some of these things. What I would do if

0:57:31.960 --> 0:57:35.080
<v Speaker 6>I were a parent with a child who was experiencing

0:57:35.120 --> 0:57:37.720
<v Speaker 6>some of these challenges in schools would be to speak

0:57:37.760 --> 0:57:41.400
<v Speaker 6>to a professional to get them assessed, not just draw

0:57:41.440 --> 0:57:44.640
<v Speaker 6>the conclusion off the ADHD, but to rule out other

0:57:44.720 --> 0:57:45.680
<v Speaker 6>factors as well.

0:57:47.040 --> 0:57:48.800
<v Speaker 1>Listen, let me just tell you something.

0:57:49.240 --> 0:57:53.400
<v Speaker 3>Listening to you, your vocabulary.

0:57:53.120 --> 0:57:55.240
<v Speaker 1>The way that you speak.

0:57:54.880 --> 0:57:59.720
<v Speaker 3>At ease about these issues, and it's almost like poetry.

0:58:00.280 --> 0:58:09.760
<v Speaker 3>You are truly an incredible, incredible intellectual scientists doctor professional.

0:58:10.520 --> 0:58:12.760
<v Speaker 1>I have been I am intrigued by.

0:58:12.600 --> 0:58:16.760
<v Speaker 3>This conversation and I have been thoroughly educated from you.

0:58:17.120 --> 0:58:19.200
<v Speaker 1>I felt comfortable and you just.

0:58:19.120 --> 0:58:24.200
<v Speaker 3>Have you have a skill set that is lacking in

0:58:24.280 --> 0:58:27.640
<v Speaker 3>your field, even for people who are at the highest levels,

0:58:28.040 --> 0:58:33.120
<v Speaker 3>they are not as graceful and powerful as what you

0:58:33.160 --> 0:58:34.600
<v Speaker 3>have presented to us today.

0:58:34.960 --> 0:58:37.840
<v Speaker 2>My god, you're definitely a jewel.

0:58:37.920 --> 0:58:40.440
<v Speaker 4>We appreciate you. We gotta have you on. You might

0:58:40.480 --> 0:58:44.400
<v Speaker 4>have to be my therapist because on the way that

0:58:44.480 --> 0:58:47.520
<v Speaker 4>you make me feel so comfortable.

0:58:47.600 --> 0:58:49.200
<v Speaker 2>Man, So that's that's one of the things.

0:58:49.320 --> 0:58:52.120
<v Speaker 4>You don't feel comfortable, you can't really express things, So

0:58:52.160 --> 0:58:53.520
<v Speaker 4>I definitely might have to listen.

0:58:53.520 --> 0:58:56.120
<v Speaker 5>So much that that really warmed by heart. I'm brought

0:58:56.160 --> 0:58:58.920
<v Speaker 5>to her to my eyes, I'm truly grateful. If I

0:58:58.960 --> 0:59:00.960
<v Speaker 5>can ever be of support, please let me know. I

0:59:01.000 --> 0:59:02.320
<v Speaker 5>really admire your work.

0:59:02.480 --> 0:59:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Both of you.

0:59:03.480 --> 0:59:06.960
<v Speaker 3>Get people data on him that we need the data

0:59:07.760 --> 0:59:11.880
<v Speaker 3>on my son Lennon that he's got the nerve to

0:59:11.960 --> 0:59:15.680
<v Speaker 3>do this about me. The data is on you you

0:59:15.840 --> 0:59:18.240
<v Speaker 3>if you want to get the data so that you

0:59:18.280 --> 0:59:21.240
<v Speaker 3>can know what's going on in the minds of some people.

0:59:25.880 --> 0:59:31.040
<v Speaker 3>Thank you, doctor Laurence. Doctor Lauren Joseph's a social and

0:59:31.120 --> 0:59:36.800
<v Speaker 3>behavioral scientist. Give black women their credit and their flowers.

0:59:36.840 --> 0:59:40.000
<v Speaker 3>I appreciate you so much for joining us today. Follow her,

0:59:40.160 --> 0:59:43.560
<v Speaker 3>check her out, Listen to the jewels that this woman

0:59:43.760 --> 0:59:45.000
<v Speaker 3>is dropping on us.

0:59:45.440 --> 0:59:45.840
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

0:59:46.000 --> 0:59:49.360
<v Speaker 3>It's mental health awareness monk, y'all. It's an important month.

0:59:49.440 --> 0:59:52.480
<v Speaker 3>It's a time not to fix all of your issues,

0:59:52.600 --> 0:59:54.960
<v Speaker 3>not to know it all, but to get in touch

0:59:55.040 --> 0:59:57.360
<v Speaker 3>and in tune with what's going on within and figure

0:59:57.400 --> 1:00:01.680
<v Speaker 3>out a plan for where and how to go forward.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, doctor Joseph.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you my pleasure.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh man, Doctor Joseph is amazing. You know, like you said,

1:00:12.520 --> 1:00:17.280
<v Speaker 4>she is eloquent, she is learned. She is an expert,

1:00:17.640 --> 1:00:19.720
<v Speaker 4>and you can tell that she you know, she is

1:00:21.120 --> 1:00:23.600
<v Speaker 4>very well versed in her field. She's taking the time,

1:00:24.600 --> 1:00:27.200
<v Speaker 4>and she just has the energy and demeanor that's necessary

1:00:27.640 --> 1:00:29.200
<v Speaker 4>to be a psychotherapist.

1:00:29.800 --> 1:00:33.080
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm, Yes, she has it.

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<v Speaker 4>Anybody don't. She just makes you feel comfortable. She just

1:00:36.560 --> 1:00:40.240
<v Speaker 4>has an energy you know, doesn't feel judgmental. It's it

1:00:40.320 --> 1:00:43.280
<v Speaker 4>feels welcoming, you know, and.

1:00:43.160 --> 1:00:46.840
<v Speaker 1>It's don't she's a serious Jamaican woman.

1:00:46.920 --> 1:00:49.240
<v Speaker 2>Mine. Yes, you can tell she has a good and

1:00:49.280 --> 1:00:51.200
<v Speaker 2>she got a void, you know what I'm saying.

1:00:51.240 --> 1:00:52.840
<v Speaker 4>She's a little cute to that ding. You know, you

1:00:52.880 --> 1:00:55.960
<v Speaker 4>gotta you gotta have all the things you need the thing.

1:00:56.120 --> 1:00:57.040
<v Speaker 4>You gotta have the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead on, doctor Joseph.

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<v Speaker 4>Man so my I don't get it is completely off

1:01:04.720 --> 1:01:13.720
<v Speaker 4>the record. I've been dealing with a lot of different things.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. I take my criticism. I deal with certain things.

1:01:17.600 --> 1:01:20.760
<v Speaker 2>You know. I'm a person that comes have a certain background.

1:01:20.800 --> 1:01:21.360
<v Speaker 2>So look, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Come from the streets, you know, and I'm a rapper.

1:01:24.800 --> 1:01:27.120
<v Speaker 4>I started out as a hip hop artist. I'm competitive,

1:01:27.440 --> 1:01:30.320
<v Speaker 4>I played basketball, I am a warrior.

1:01:30.640 --> 1:01:31.240
<v Speaker 2>I box.

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<v Speaker 4>So this is the nature that I come to spirit,

1:01:33.840 --> 1:01:36.320
<v Speaker 4>that I come to this space with. You know, when

1:01:36.360 --> 1:01:39.640
<v Speaker 4>I entered into the space of activism and civil rights

1:01:39.800 --> 1:01:42.480
<v Speaker 4>is because I wanted the voice of people like me

1:01:42.560 --> 1:01:44.600
<v Speaker 4>to be heard. I didn't see what it is that

1:01:44.680 --> 1:01:47.560
<v Speaker 4>I represented in this movement. I didn't see somebody who

1:01:47.600 --> 1:01:49.520
<v Speaker 4>had an edge from hip hop, who had an edge

1:01:49.520 --> 1:01:52.720
<v Speaker 4>from the streets, who was in tune, was formerly incarcerated,

1:01:52.720 --> 1:01:56.680
<v Speaker 4>who had so many different elements that I didn't feel

1:01:56.800 --> 1:01:58.960
<v Speaker 4>was represented in this movement. So when I got into

1:01:59.080 --> 1:02:01.760
<v Speaker 4>it at first, I didn't feel welcomed. You know, I

1:02:01.760 --> 1:02:03.920
<v Speaker 4>didn't feel like it was even a place for me

1:02:04.000 --> 1:02:07.360
<v Speaker 4>because I wasn't I didn't have the language that people had.

1:02:07.400 --> 1:02:09.960
<v Speaker 4>I wasn't learned in certain areas, and I didn't look

1:02:10.240 --> 1:02:14.040
<v Speaker 4>the same you know. So throughout the years, I believe

1:02:14.080 --> 1:02:16.520
<v Speaker 4>that I've created my own space here, you know, I've

1:02:16.520 --> 1:02:20.320
<v Speaker 4>created my space where the people that I represent field represented.

1:02:20.360 --> 1:02:22.640
<v Speaker 4>There's people that's from the hood that you would never

1:02:23.280 --> 1:02:25.400
<v Speaker 4>I don't like to say the hood no more the neighborhood,

1:02:25.400 --> 1:02:27.000
<v Speaker 4>because we took the neighbor out of the hoood and

1:02:27.000 --> 1:02:29.880
<v Speaker 4>that's where the disconnect came. Some people from the neighborhood

1:02:30.160 --> 1:02:32.520
<v Speaker 4>who you never would have seen in the movement or

1:02:32.560 --> 1:02:35.400
<v Speaker 4>never even thought about it, say that I've brought them

1:02:35.400 --> 1:02:37.400
<v Speaker 4>to the movement. And they have voices, and they in

1:02:37.720 --> 1:02:41.040
<v Speaker 4>hip hop, and they in the strip clubs, and you know,

1:02:41.120 --> 1:02:43.920
<v Speaker 4>and they're still evolving, you know, some of them haven't

1:02:43.920 --> 1:02:46.800
<v Speaker 4>evolved all the way to where they're all the way righteous,

1:02:46.800 --> 1:02:52.000
<v Speaker 4>but they're moving into that realm, you know. And so

1:02:52.080 --> 1:02:54.840
<v Speaker 4>I speak on things in the culture of the streets,

1:02:55.160 --> 1:02:59.000
<v Speaker 4>you know, and and it seems to bother people. And

1:02:59.040 --> 1:03:04.360
<v Speaker 4>what I don't get is me speaking on issues you

1:03:04.440 --> 1:03:07.640
<v Speaker 4>know that like especially snitching. Snitching for me, like I

1:03:07.680 --> 1:03:10.280
<v Speaker 4>said all the time, it's something about integrity. It's not

1:03:10.360 --> 1:03:14.640
<v Speaker 4>about a street thing, it's not about criminality. It's about

1:03:14.640 --> 1:03:17.200
<v Speaker 4>a man being able to deal with the accountability of

1:03:17.240 --> 1:03:20.360
<v Speaker 4>his own actions, a man making decisions, whether they're right

1:03:20.440 --> 1:03:24.080
<v Speaker 4>or wrong, and being able to deal with those consequences. So,

1:03:24.240 --> 1:03:27.840
<v Speaker 4>you know, over the last week or probably two, there's

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<v Speaker 4>been you know, I've been going, I've had.

1:03:31.560 --> 1:03:34.800
<v Speaker 2>A situation and which I've chose the address.

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<v Speaker 4>Normally, I've been ignoring it because for years there's been

1:03:39.080 --> 1:03:43.000
<v Speaker 4>this you know, this individual, Roland Collins, who's been attacking

1:03:43.000 --> 1:03:45.360
<v Speaker 4>me and saying things about me, and and the history

1:03:45.400 --> 1:03:47.200
<v Speaker 4>of it goes I'm not gonna get into the history

1:03:47.200 --> 1:03:49.360
<v Speaker 4>of it, but you know where the history comes.

1:03:49.440 --> 1:03:53.560
<v Speaker 2>From, you know, years ago. But now it's resurface.

1:03:53.640 --> 1:03:56.840
<v Speaker 4>He's finally went to court and you know, he's testified

1:03:56.960 --> 1:04:00.280
<v Speaker 4>at the trial, which I have no issue with. All

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<v Speaker 4>I wanted, what I made a statement about was the

1:04:06.360 --> 1:04:09.960
<v Speaker 4>lack of being willing to deal with accountability. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>I wanted people to understand that in the streets there

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<v Speaker 4>are consequences. And the people saying, you can't say that

1:04:15.720 --> 1:04:18.880
<v Speaker 4>you boycomm black murder, but you against snitcher, and I'm like,

1:04:19.560 --> 1:04:25.000
<v Speaker 4>well I can because what happens is in snitching, there

1:04:25.000 --> 1:04:27.720
<v Speaker 4>are two people who are guilty of crimes. Right, That's

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<v Speaker 4>the street element means when you snitch that you are

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<v Speaker 4>more people that are guilty of crimes, sometimes just you, right,

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<v Speaker 4>So what happens is the person who is the snitch

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<v Speaker 4>is also guilty of crimes and have committed crimes, but

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<v Speaker 4>since they don't want to be held accountable for what

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<v Speaker 4>it is they've done, they tell on someone else so

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<v Speaker 4>that they're held accountable. So my thing is who tells

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<v Speaker 4>on the stitch, and the stitch is the most low

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<v Speaker 4>level individual, because the snitch not only tells on an

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<v Speaker 4>individual to get out of the crimes, they also go

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<v Speaker 4>back to the communities and repeat those same crimes and

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<v Speaker 4>influence people to continue on the crimes. So you're not

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<v Speaker 4>really saving the community. You're not stopping anything from happening

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<v Speaker 4>when you glorify the snitch, like for example, sam Me

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<v Speaker 4>the Bull told on John Gotti. Sam Me the Bull

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<v Speaker 4>was actually more of a dangerous person than John Gotty was.

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<v Speaker 4>John Gotty was divorced, but sad me to good. Bull

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<v Speaker 4>actually took more lives in his time than John Gotti did,

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<v Speaker 4>but he was able to go and live his life

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<v Speaker 4>after John Gotti died in prison and come back out

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<v Speaker 4>to society and commit more crimes and engage in more

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<v Speaker 4>crimes and get more people to do more crimes. And

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<v Speaker 4>so you not stopping crimes by supporting snitching. If we

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<v Speaker 4>acknowledge that the snitch, if we stop rewarding snitches for

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<v Speaker 4>being weak and they still had to deal with their consequences,

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<v Speaker 4>then you will see less crimes.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>You will see that if the snitch understood I can't

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<v Speaker 4>get away from this by telling on somebody else, I

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<v Speaker 4>should I just shouldn't do it. I'm not gonna be

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<v Speaker 4>involved in the streets because I'm gonna want to do

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<v Speaker 4>forty or fifty years.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no escape route for me.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, you will see a lot less people engaging when

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<v Speaker 4>when there's real accountability in something, then you would see

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<v Speaker 4>more people saying I don't want to deal with those

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<v Speaker 4>consequences and whatever I tell people all the time. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not saying that crime is good, right, I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 4>that I'm for a crime. But I respect a man

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<v Speaker 4>who's made a mistake and made a decision. Some of

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<v Speaker 4>us in the streets, you've made decisions and you've committed

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<v Speaker 4>crimes out of desperation. You made you know, you felt

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<v Speaker 4>like you didn't have anywhere out. You might have been

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<v Speaker 4>defending yourself and you had to deal with those consequences.

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<v Speaker 4>And when you sat down and you did your time

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<v Speaker 4>as a man, you thought about it, you came home

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<v Speaker 4>and you informed yourself, and you moved on.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are honorable individuals. To me. Some people think that.

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<v Speaker 4>If you ever committed a crime that you know you lost,

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<v Speaker 4>you lost your honor and can't be honorable.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't believe that, you know, I just don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't believe that narrative and I will never believe

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<v Speaker 4>that narrative. So I am so confused and why people

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<v Speaker 4>think that there's an issue for me, as an activist

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<v Speaker 4>and someone who is a hip hop artist to confront

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<v Speaker 4>things that I believe is detrimental to this culture.

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<v Speaker 2>In a hip hop form or even speaking on it.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't glorify negativity, but at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a warrior.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a competitive spirit, so I don't want violence for nobody.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not going to get into no physical altercation Roller.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to see that man dead.

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<v Speaker 4>But I know you can't outrap me, and I know

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<v Speaker 4>the message that you spread in this detrimental to these babies.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to dispute your message. I'm going to.

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<v Speaker 4>Refute it, and I'm going to outrap you on it,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm going to bring people to the cause and

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<v Speaker 4>show them what just looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>What righteousness looks like, what real looks like.

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<v Speaker 4>So if people have I don't understand why people have

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<v Speaker 4>a problem with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I really don't.

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<v Speaker 4>I never let me sit finish when I've never portrayed

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<v Speaker 4>myself to be Martin Luther King. I'm not Malcolm X.

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<v Speaker 4>But I know that Malcolm X called out a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of leaders he by name. He called them fake, this, this,

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<v Speaker 4>and that y'all leading our people. He literally said that,

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<v Speaker 4>I've watched a lot of these leaders that you talk about.

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<v Speaker 4>They have called out other leaders because they felt that

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<v Speaker 4>the message that they had was detrimental to our people.

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<v Speaker 4>That we've had debates with the biggest scholars, have sat

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<v Speaker 4>on stages and disputed against other scholars who who were

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<v Speaker 4>just as you know, and they were positive people. When

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<v Speaker 4>I think that something that's detrimental or negative, I believe

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<v Speaker 4>that it is my duty, as a worry of God

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<v Speaker 4>to speak up against that. I believe that's my purpose,

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<v Speaker 4>that's my calling. It's not everybody's calling. Everybody's not gonna

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<v Speaker 4>get it, just like I don't get everybody else's calling.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get why people.

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<v Speaker 4>Talk about certain shit that I don't care about or

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<v Speaker 4>I think doesn't make sense. But every individual has his

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<v Speaker 4>own road to travel. And every time that I feel

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<v Speaker 4>that something is detrimental to the kids and the communities

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<v Speaker 4>that I come from, or somebody is perpetuated a lifestyle

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<v Speaker 4>or narrative a reality that's detrimental to them, I'm going

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<v Speaker 4>to speak up.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't have much to say on that, because

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's good that you made this point, because

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<v Speaker 3>there are a lot of people who, which is my point,

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<v Speaker 3>don't understand. Sometimes I don't understand until we have conversations.

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<v Speaker 3>In this situation, I do understand. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>I also am a child of hip hop, and I

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<v Speaker 3>know how hip hop is supposed to work. You are

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<v Speaker 3>supposed to have and sometimes and I guess since I

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<v Speaker 3>come from a family, I was just with my family

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<v Speaker 3>recently when my cousin died, you know, and.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things, like, even in the middle of a.

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<v Speaker 3>Traumatic situation, we were snapping on each other, like you

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<v Speaker 3>walk right in, like don't even come in here with

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<v Speaker 3>that crime because you know, you know you pitif your

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<v Speaker 3>nose to snotty?

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<v Speaker 1>What's wrong with your stomach? You too fat.

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<v Speaker 3>My cousin is wilch Bound, the one who passed away

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<v Speaker 3>his brother who many people who've been to my birthdays

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<v Speaker 3>and seen pictures of me. That's one of my closest cousins.

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<v Speaker 3>He's wheelchair bound since he was a child forty something

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<v Speaker 3>years old, never been able to use anything from his

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<v Speaker 3>neck down, and we still be asking him like, so what.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna do.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna get up, like you're gonna fight us, like

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<v Speaker 1>what are you gonna do? Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Which he actually will bite you, so you gotta be

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<v Speaker 3>careful and his kick is no joke. But I come

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<v Speaker 3>from a snapping culture, and the shit it don't feel good.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes it kind of normalized things to make you not

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<v Speaker 3>feel so bad about it because you got hit by

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<v Speaker 3>your own which meant that later on when people said

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<v Speaker 3>the things to you outside and didn't feel as bad.

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<v Speaker 3>And sometimes it was things that might have hurt your feelings,

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<v Speaker 3>it made you want to fight, like you just be mad.

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<v Speaker 3>So I guess because I come from that, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>see the battle of rappers or entertainers or the competence

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<v Speaker 3>as such a bad thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't get as.

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<v Speaker 3>Sensitive about those things because you know, when I don't

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<v Speaker 3>like something, I'm on you like mice.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think you need to be doing this, this

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<v Speaker 1>and the third.

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<v Speaker 3>And we all need people that's in our corner to

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<v Speaker 3>pull our coattel when we're.

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<v Speaker 1>Traveling too far down one road to the other.

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<v Speaker 3>The only thing that I have said to you is

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<v Speaker 3>that because there are so people that they don't come

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<v Speaker 3>from those backgrounds either, they don't understand. They hear snitching

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<v Speaker 3>and they think about violence that's going on, and they

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<v Speaker 3>want the killers, the murderers to you know, be caught

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<v Speaker 3>or be exposed. When what you're saying is very different.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a point that has to be constantly reinforced that

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<v Speaker 3>if people believe I can go out rob a bank, rob.

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<v Speaker 1>People, shoe kill, scam.

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<v Speaker 3>Do whatever, and all I have to do is tell

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<v Speaker 3>on somebody else or give up a bigger or more

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<v Speaker 3>or a criminal that is more of a person of

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<v Speaker 3>interest or whatever in order to reduce my time. It

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<v Speaker 3>does not make it does not deter me from doing

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<v Speaker 3>the negative action. That is something that is very clear.

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<v Speaker 3>So it is not to say, you know, if you

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<v Speaker 3>if you're out there and you doing dirt, then just

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<v Speaker 3>keep your dirty yourself and let another man walk free

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever or however you want to say. It's not

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<v Speaker 3>a glorification of violence. But it is to say, which

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<v Speaker 3>I hear you say all the time. Crime does not pay,

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<v Speaker 3>and we cannot create a lane of just telling on

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<v Speaker 3>somebody else, which makes it the crime that you committed.

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<v Speaker 3>Either go away or be lessened so you feel more

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<v Speaker 3>comfortable participating in such crime.

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<v Speaker 1>I get it. So I just want it to be

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<v Speaker 1>clear because people who have called me and like, yo,

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<v Speaker 1>what is my doing?

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<v Speaker 3>I can't believe in you gotta da da da da

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<v Speaker 3>da da da and they and sometimes they get a

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<v Speaker 3>rise on of me.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I call them.

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<v Speaker 3>I've called you many times, like you gotta call your

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<v Speaker 3>brother because I can't talk to him. He's not listening

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<v Speaker 3>to me, and da da da da dah. Sometimes he's

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<v Speaker 3>like I'm with him on this one. Sometimes he's like, now, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I might say something, so either way, right, we need

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<v Speaker 3>a kitchen cabinet of people that provide guardrails.

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<v Speaker 1>For when we are so deeply.

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<v Speaker 3>Engaged in something we believe in that we start losing

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<v Speaker 3>the message. Let me put that out there, so folks

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<v Speaker 3>already know in this situation we wanted to I'm with you.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of it was funny, some of it was necessary.

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<v Speaker 3>All of it has been educational on one way or

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<v Speaker 3>the other. The question becomes what's next and what is

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<v Speaker 3>the evolution from the point where we are, because sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>the people we're leading don't understand that it needs to

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<v Speaker 3>stay in the place where it started, and they've become

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<v Speaker 3>engaged in something that travels beyond what we're actually looking

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<v Speaker 3>to do.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's the question that we all have to ask ourselves.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not something we get to answer today or tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 3>but it is something that goes on.

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<v Speaker 1>I never forget one after I told you.

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<v Speaker 3>About a member of an elected official who had done

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<v Speaker 3>something to me, pissed me off, whatever. So the elected

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<v Speaker 3>official comes in the room to speak in front of

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<v Speaker 3>an event and you lean over to me and go

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<v Speaker 3>like it make us stay m not even gonna say

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<v Speaker 3>what you said about this elected official, but I was

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like over it, but to mere fact that

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<v Speaker 3>I had told you about it, and you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>shit she did with some bullshit that you reminded me

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<v Speaker 3>again in the moment, and I laugh to myself that

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<v Speaker 3>when you tell your people who love you how you

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<v Speaker 3>feel about something and they see that it hurt you

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<v Speaker 3>or to upset you, or even they take it personal, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't even care.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, they can take things to a place that their

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<v Speaker 3>emotions are not where yours are.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's the question.

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<v Speaker 4>I think for me, is that I understand that right,

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<v Speaker 4>And that's why I respond in a man that I do.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't. I don't respond with.

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<v Speaker 4>Disrespecting your family, you calling me names and talking about

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<v Speaker 4>my mother who's passed away, and saying my whole family

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<v Speaker 4>can do this, and that. I don't respond with those things.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't because that's I don't. I don't do that.

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<v Speaker 4>What I do is deal with the facts, and I

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<v Speaker 4>want to educate you, and I want you to know

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<v Speaker 4>every time that you're not my enemy.

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to know that I'm not trying to

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<v Speaker 2>kill you.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not beefing with you. I'm not gonna shoot you.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I'm none of those things is there. But

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not going to allow you to spread a message

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<v Speaker 4>or send a narrative that's not real.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm and I'm willing to stand on that. You

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<v Speaker 2>understand I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>So when I respond that way, it gives it takes

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<v Speaker 4>some of the pressure because what happens is now the

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<v Speaker 4>people who love me see, okay, my fighting back. We

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<v Speaker 4>don't gotta fight for mice, right. Mice is strategically fighting back.

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<v Speaker 4>He's just not fighting the way they fight because he's

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<v Speaker 4>bigger than that. I'm not gonna fight that. So the

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<v Speaker 4>next DAYE for me. It's my book, Raising Kings, the

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<v Speaker 4>twelve Principles of Manhood. It shows what manhood is, it

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<v Speaker 4>shows how what de escalated this is. This is a

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<v Speaker 4>master class. And we can have debates, we can have disagreements.

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<v Speaker 4>I still don't want to kill you, right, And we

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<v Speaker 4>cannot like each other. We cannot even want to be

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<v Speaker 4>around each other. We don't have to all get along

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<v Speaker 4>and we can disagree, but we ain't got to kill

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<v Speaker 4>each other.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to kill you.

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<v Speaker 4>I could really, I can actually not like you and

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<v Speaker 4>don't want you dead. That's what I want you to

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<v Speaker 4>move me. I literally just don't. I don't agree with

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<v Speaker 4>nothing about the man. I really don't like him, but

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to see nothing happen to I don't

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<v Speaker 4>want him to get nobody else hurt though, right because

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<v Speaker 4>he came back out of here and he's continuing the

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<v Speaker 4>same cycle, and he's grabbing friends that I know, people

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<v Speaker 4>that I love who not as far removed from the

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<v Speaker 4>streets as I am. You understand saying, and I know

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<v Speaker 4>how this can end up. So me, I have to

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<v Speaker 4>talk to them. I have to have conversations with them

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<v Speaker 4>and talk them out of things of that nature. I

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<v Speaker 4>have to talk my friends and family like, NA, we're

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<v Speaker 4>not doing that. We're bigger than that, but we're not

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<v Speaker 4>gonna let this message go.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not scared, no smoke when it comes to this rap.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's but that is why it is also important

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<v Speaker 3>to recognize that you know, the thing, the thing, my son,

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<v Speaker 3>that I've learned in life, which is a painful lesson.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's not just a painful lesson, but it's been

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<v Speaker 3>the conflict of my my entire existence, uh doing this

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<v Speaker 3>thing or being labeled as a leader, which is a

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<v Speaker 3>high honor to me. It's a high honor and sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>a tall order. And the thing that I have recognized

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<v Speaker 3>is that oftentimes what I want.

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<v Speaker 1>To do and even what I think is.

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<v Speaker 3>The right thing to do has to be adjusted because

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<v Speaker 3>I'm now in a position where I'm speaking to the

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<v Speaker 3>whole and not the feure. And so as a leader,

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<v Speaker 3>my only advice to you, right in front of the

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<v Speaker 3>the the world of street politicians that listen to me,

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<v Speaker 3>is that everything we do as humans has a least

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit of ego driven ness to it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and so and and and ego is important because ego

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<v Speaker 3>is the thing. Right when people try to say ego

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<v Speaker 3>is all bad, it's not. My old boss, Reverend Sharpton,

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<v Speaker 3>used to tell me that ego sometimes is the thing

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<v Speaker 3>that helps you get up and be courageous enough and

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<v Speaker 3>bold enough to speak out when you're when you're shaking

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<v Speaker 3>in your boots. But your ego says, oh, so and

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<v Speaker 3>so ain't gonna speak better than me, or you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they not gonna try to look like I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>the issues and can't step to the mic. But that

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<v Speaker 3>same ego has to be examined on the other side.

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<v Speaker 3>So you just have to always walk that line. And

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<v Speaker 3>so and to your point, you said, the most powerful thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Every man and woman has to walk their own path

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<v Speaker 3>and their own journey.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying. Look, I ain't got nothing

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<v Speaker 4>else to say. Man, We done say it all. Integrity

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<v Speaker 4>supporting us. Shout out to Lauren Joseph for being here. Doctor,

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<v Speaker 4>Doctor Lauren Joseph, the immaculate Yes psychotherapists that was here

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<v Speaker 4>with us today. She is amazing. Look her up, follow her.

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<v Speaker 4>She's amazing. Shout out to the Street politicians. Family will

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<v Speaker 4>continue to support us, you know, for letting us know

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<v Speaker 4>that you love us, letting us know what you don't like.

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<v Speaker 4>Continue to do that his story Politicians, give us some ideas.

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<v Speaker 4>want to see us talk about number one show in

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<v Speaker 2>We appreciate y'all for making us some more.

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<v Speaker 4>We're keeping us some more again. I'm not gonna always

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<v Speaker 4>be right, but I was right today, Tamiga d Malories.

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<v Speaker 4>I can always be wrong. We will both always and

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<v Speaker 2>That's how