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Speaker 1: On the Bechdelcast.

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Speaker 2: The questions asked if movies have women and them, are

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Speaker 2: all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands or do they

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Speaker 2: have individualism? It's the patriarchy, zeph and best start changing

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Speaker 2: with the Bechdel Cast.

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Speaker 3: Hello Bechdel Cast listeners, Hello Jamie and Caitlin.

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Speaker 4: Here a little plug at the top.

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Speaker 3: It's all coming together, it's all happening. I am going

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Speaker 3: to be going on a book tour for the paperback

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Speaker 3: release of my book Raw Dog, The Naked Truth about

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Speaker 3: hot Dogs. Ever heard of it? It is coming out

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Speaker 3: in soft cover. If you are the kind of person

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Speaker 3: that doesn't want to spend twenty eight dollars out of book,

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Speaker 3: fair enough, we have a more affordable option. And if

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Speaker 3: you haven't purchased the book and you know, maybe you're

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Speaker 3: able to now you know, it's also a great gift.

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Speaker 3: I sound so desperate. The thing is, it's a soft

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Speaker 3: cover book and people love us.

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Speaker 4: And I love a flaccid book.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little book. And if you do have

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Speaker 3: the hardcover and you're a completionist, there is also a

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Speaker 3: brand new ForWord that I wrote, and also the acknowledgments

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Speaker 3: have been adjusted to acknowledge that my agents were resionists,

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Speaker 3: so I don't really thank them anymore. So there's a

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Speaker 3: thrilling edition there as well. But there is new stuff

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Speaker 3: in the book and it costs less and we love that.

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Speaker 3: I will be going on tour throughout the country to

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Speaker 3: promote the new book, and if you're a Bechdel head

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Speaker 3: and you're in the area, this is a really great

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Speaker 3: chance to come and hang out. It's all I'm at bookstores.

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Speaker 3: I did kind of bigger shows the first time around,

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Speaker 3: but this time we're just chilling. So for you kitling

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Speaker 3: with your permission, I'm just going to rattle off some dates.

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Speaker 3: What if I was like, no, no, click z, I'm

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Speaker 3: going to go pee.

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Speaker 4: No please, by all means tell us Okay.

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Speaker 3: May thirteenth, twenty twenty five, almost my birthday, So I

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Speaker 3: know I'm missing your birthday. It's an act of violence.

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Speaker 3: I will be at North Fig Bookshop in Los Angeles,

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Speaker 3: hosted by friend of the cast Julia Clair. May fourteenth.

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Speaker 3: I will be at Carmichael's Bookstore in Louisville, Kentucky. On

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Speaker 3: May fifteenth, I will be at the Cambridge Public Library

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Speaker 3: in Massachusetts with the Harvard Bookstore and I will be

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Speaker 3: in conversation with one of my dear friends, PBS's own

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Speaker 3: Tory Bedford. On the nineteenth of May, I will be

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Speaker 3: in Portland, Maine at Longfellow Books, hosted by friend of

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Speaker 3: the cast, Mayo Williams.

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Speaker 5: I am very, very excited.

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Speaker 3: On the twentieth, I will be going down to Harrisburg, Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 3: my home state. I know they're going to be begging,

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Speaker 3: They're like, where are they? I will be at the

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Speaker 3: Midtown Scholar Bookstore and Cafe in conversation with Joe Piazza.

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Speaker 3: Then on May twenty first, I will be at the

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Speaker 3: Fountain Bookstore in Richmond, Virginia. And on May twenty second,

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Speaker 3: I will be at Coppersfield Books in Pedaluma, California. And finally,

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Speaker 3: on May thirty first, I will be at Marin Country Mart,

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Speaker 3: which is also with Coppersfield's book in Larkspur, California. So

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Speaker 3: if you live in those areas, please come out. I

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Speaker 3: would love to see you. I'd love to chat. Please

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Speaker 3: recommend your favorite hot dog, Let's talk, beck tol Cast,

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Speaker 3: let's do whatever. And there will be dates announced later

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Speaker 3: in the summer. So if you would like a show

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Speaker 3: or a signing to happen in your town. Please reach

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Speaker 3: out and I will send it to my publisher and

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Speaker 3: be like, see, I should go there. Anyways, that's a great.

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Speaker 3: It's begging works sometimes, and we'll link this full thing

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Speaker 3: in the description. But see you soon. I'm making a

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Speaker 3: little outfit and that's the Jamie Loftus promise.

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Speaker 4: I can't wait to see.

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Speaker 3: So if you click the link in the description, it

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Speaker 3: register to go to these events. They are all free events,

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Speaker 3: so come and hang out and provided that I get

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Speaker 3: my shit together in time, there will also be speakers

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Speaker 3: from local unions at all of these signings, So come out,

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Speaker 3: make some friends, come hang out and h let's eat

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Speaker 3: some hot dogs.

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Speaker 4: Beautiful. We'll throw the link to be able to access

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Speaker 4: registration for the events on our link tree as well

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Speaker 4: link tree slash Bechtel Cast, so there's no excuse not

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Speaker 3: It's free, it's fun. I'll be wearing a little outfit.

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Speaker 3: Come buy the book.

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Speaker 1: Woo.

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Speaker 4: One last quick note about this episode. We were kind

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Speaker 4: of strapped for time during this recording and we ended

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Speaker 4: up having to record some pickups a few days later

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Speaker 4: with just Jamie and myself. So there's a chunk toward

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Speaker 4: the end of the episode where you might know notice

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Speaker 1: Do Do Do Do Wow?

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Speaker 4: Jamie, will you always be my Maybe?

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Speaker 3: No, I'll always be your baby. I'll be your baby girl,

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Speaker 3: Always be your baby, Always be my baby girl, Nicole

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Speaker 3: Kipman twenty four.

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Speaker 4: So true.

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Speaker 3: I you know, it is funny thinking about after now

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Speaker 3: having seen the movie there that even the title is

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Speaker 3: indicating are these two right for each other? Welcome to

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Speaker 3: the Bechel Cast. My name is Jamie Loftus.

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Speaker 4: My name is Caitlin Deonte. This is our show where

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Speaker 4: we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using the

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Speaker 4: Bechdel Test as a jumping off point, and that, of course,

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Speaker 4: is a medium created by Alison Bechtel. There are many

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Speaker 4: versions of the test, and the one that we use

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Speaker 4: is this, do two characters of a marginalized gender have names?

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Speaker 4: Do they speak to each other? And is there conversation

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Speaker 3: And in this economy is it too much to ask?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Today? We'll find out. Yeah, we're really excited to We're

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Speaker 3: time request. I think we have been getting consistent requests

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Speaker 3: you know, thank you for your patience. The time is now,

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Speaker 3: the guest is perfect. We are covering Always Be My Maybe,

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Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, directed by Nanachica, con starring and written by

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Speaker 3: Ali Wong and Randall Park.

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Speaker 4: Ever heard of them?

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Speaker 5: Hopefully they're right.

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Speaker 4: They're so funny. And speaking of so funny, our guest

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Speaker 4: today is an author, screenwriter, journalist, actress, also best friend

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Speaker 4: to the Pod period and you know her from past

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Speaker 4: episodes such as Ever After, Hairspray, Cadet Kelly nineteen ninety seven, Cinderella,

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Speaker 1: So happy to be here, and they totally organically came

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Speaker 1: up with calling me bestie of the Pod. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: was totally organic. I didn't treasure them at all.

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Speaker 5: It just felt right. It felt right, it did.

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Speaker 1: I just love them, and I was like, I need

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Speaker 4: Thanks for coming back, come back always always always, So,

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Speaker 4: what is your history your relationship with always be my maybe.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So here's the thing. I love Ali Wong, and

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Speaker 1: when it first premiered, I was like, Okay, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: I fell in love with Randall Park, and I've been,

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Speaker 1: just like, Wow, a man who I like.

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Speaker 4: Wild They really make it hard to like them, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: But Randall Park is I think, like s Tier, just

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Speaker 3: naturally charming, very much like it, just irresistible, very likable.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, you watch it when it first came out,

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Speaker 4: and then have just been watching it steadily since.

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Speaker 1: Yes, pretty much. It had been a while since I

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Speaker 1: did rewatch before the pod, but I rewatched it this

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Speaker 1: to watch it a lot when I'm like I need

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Speaker 1: a rom com day. I need something that feels like,

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Speaker 4: Nice. I'm not a big rom com person, never have been,

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Speaker 3: This movie came out like yet the year before. I

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Speaker 3: feel like I have a real hard time with movies

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Speaker 3: not the movie's fault, but I'm just like buckle in assholes.

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Speaker 4: Well, I was like, yeah, this movie probably came out

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Speaker 1: Which felt like the weirdest time capsule. Watching it back,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, I mean I saw it pretty early

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Speaker 4: mostly a Netflix movie. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And you can tell because they mentioned Fix broadly mentioned Netflix.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, So I generally like this movie. I have some thoughts,

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Speaker 4: I have some notes, but this is more my speed

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Speaker 4: when it comes to rom coms, and I'd seen it

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Speaker 4: I think twice before prepping for this episode. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'm excited to talk about it. Jamie what about You.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I this is my first time seeing this movie.

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Speaker 3: And you don't need to marry the person you lost

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Speaker 1: And here's the kicker. We deeply agree that she never apologized,

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Speaker 4: And we're bad.

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Speaker 1: I was eight, they gave me like a I don't know.

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00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 4: A pair of foot flop.

437
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 1: Thank you, I said, a trapper Jesus, I'm aging myself

438
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: a pair of foot flaps.

439
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 5: And I'm just like and like, what changed?

440
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, like explore that. Why are they not saying, like,

441
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:40,479
Speaker 1: I just think not enough round coms show apologies in

442
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 1: the way that I need them to.

443
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 4: For sure. Yeah, we've talked about that quite a bit

444
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:45,679
Speaker 4: on many but.

445
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,919
Speaker 3: On a few levels here like yeah, like we we

446
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 3: needed a better I mean, there was technically an apology

447
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 3: from the parents, but it was like half asked.

448
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was like, hey, we're here now, Yeah, we

449
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: flew to you, so like lead on a plane, let's let's.

450
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 3: Just let everything else go like step one. Because also

451
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 3: like some bouscemis hast stuff in here. That Again, towards

452
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 3: the end, it's so rushed where they break up. It

453
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 3: seems like the understanding is they're not going to speak anymore.

454
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 3: But then he starts calling her I do her every

455
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 3: single day, being like, hey, I don't know if you

456
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 3: want to hear from me, and you aren't replying, but

457
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 3: guess what, I learned how to do laundry on this

458
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,120
Speaker 3: my forty fifth birthday, or like whatever the fuck he's doing,

459
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 3: and he keeps contacting her, and the plot validates that

460
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 3: he was right to do that because she was buying

461
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 3: all of his merch or something and she wasn't upset,

462
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 3: And you're like.

463
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: It's like, if that's the case, the merch buying was

464
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: what both because I was like, if you're buying his

465
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: merch and you're not upset anymore, then reach out and

466
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: say something. Especially because they had the earlier scene where

467
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: they both wanted to text each other and neither of

468
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 1: them did. It would have been a real nice callback

469
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: for her to be like, even if she wasn't like

470
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 1: everything's good, just like you know, good luck or whatever

471
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: some sort of like dramatic ass sign off, but you

472
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: know that even when they get back to being in touch,

473
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 1: that would have made it even sweeter. But I will

474
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 1: say my favorite part of the entire movie, surprisingly is

475
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: when they like hook up for the first time after

476
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: he punches Keanu Reeves, because I remember watching it for

477
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: the first time and being like, oh, so, like Randall

478
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 1: Park is hot, you know, like I was just like,

479
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 1: oh yeah, plot aside, I was like, oh okay, because

480
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: I forget that men can be hot. I forget that

481
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 1: they can be so often, so often. And then I'm

482
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: just like, oh wow, okay, I see what she was

483
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: doing all right, Like everybody she kisses in the movie

484
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: is attractive. She's so right, she's so real for that.

485
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: But then it's just like, yeah, I think about certain

486
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 1: things of like I love the movie. I love their chemistry.

487
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: Chemistry is so rare from movies these days. I think

488
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: that they can just put hot people together and it's

489
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 1: gonna be great, like any anyone.

490
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 4: But you you know, oh, is that the Glenn Powell?

491
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 4: What's her face?

492
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 3: Seeing it?

493
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: I hate it?

494
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 4: Not a shred of chemistry so badly written of a

495
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 4: movie as well.

496
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: She literally acts like she just took a Bena drill

497
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: before each of her lines, like she took a benadrill.

498
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: They said action and she did a line. I can't

499
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: no chemistry. It was like watching paint dry, but worse,

500
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: so bad.

501
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 3: That was a movie that I was like, I've watched

502
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 3: it on a plane in five years.

503
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 4: You know, don't skip it, don't even bother.

504
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's better playing movies to watch.

505
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 4: Yes, anyway, So the recap of.

506
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 5: We've told you a lot of what happens.

507
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm gonna speak for this.

508
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 5: Okay, here we go.

509
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 4: We meet two best friends kids in San Francisco in

510
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety six.

511
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 3: They mysteriously sound like an Ali Sorry I'm complaining again.

512
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 3: Every character in this movie mysteriously sounds like they're reading

513
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 3: Ali Wong's stand up. It doesn't matter. These children speak

514
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 3: in lines from Baby Cobras.

515
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 4: So this is Sasha Tran and Marcus Kim. They're best friends.

516
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,719
Speaker 4: Sasha is a latch key kid. Her parents are often

517
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 4: out running their store, so she goes over to Marcus's

518
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 4: house quite a bit and hangs out with him and

519
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 4: his mom and his dad. His mom teaches Sasha a

520
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 4: few things about cooking. She also already has kind of

521
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 4: like a proclivity for it, and she has to like

522
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 4: prepare her own meals quite a bit. This will obviously

523
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 4: pay off later because she becomes a chef. Anyway, they

524
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 4: hang out. There's a quick montage of them growing up together.

525
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 4: They're goofing, they're hanging. Marcus is in a band as

526
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 4: a teenager that'll also be a thing. Later in the movie,

527
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 4: we cut to two thousand and three. They are now

528
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 4: seniors in high school. Sasha is played by Ali Wong,

529
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 4: Marcus is played by Randall Park. Now they're still best friends,

530
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 4: and then Marcus gets word that his mom has died

531
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 4: in an accident, and after the funeral, Sasha gets Marcus

532
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 4: out of the house to try to get his mind

533
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 4: off of it. They start kissing via her surprise, kissing

534
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 4: him initially.

535
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 3: But again, I'm just like her bedside manner with his

536
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 3: mother's tragic passing is so unbelievably bad, which she's like,

537
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 3: will this help?

538
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 4: Like no, But they start making out and they have

539
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 4: sex in the back of his Toyota Corolla, but it's

540
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 4: very awkward afterward and they get into an argument and

541
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 4: Sasha storms off. Cut to twenty nineteen in Los Angeles.

542
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 4: Ever heard of it? Sasha and Marcus haven't for many years.

543
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 3: They were at Stories. Did you notice when they were

544
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 3: at Stories?

545
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: Oh?

546
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 5: No, I didn't.

547
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 3: There was definitely one scene. It was supposed to be

548
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 3: San Francisco, but La heads well, no, the bookstore Stories

549
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 3: is uh one of the greatest places in the city,

550
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 3: and there's definitely they definitely shot teenage Randall Park being

551
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 3: in his band was like at one of our bookstores

552
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 3: down the street.

553
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 4: Over, I did not realize that.

554
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 3: Wow, I would recognized that weird mural. It's just like

555
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 3: when Lady Gaga was at the Verge.

556
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 5: Wow.

557
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, Wow, a star is born.

558
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 3: Hollywood, Hollywood. I was like, wow, I've bombed on both

559
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 3: of those stages.

560
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 5: That's so cool.

561
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 4: Same yeah, okay. Anyway, So it's twenty nineteen. Now, Sasha

562
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 4: is now a successful celebrity chef. She's about to open

563
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 4: a restaurant in San Francisco in a couple of weeks.

564
00:29:55,360 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 4: She's got a hot fiance, a fiance Brandon, played by

565
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 4: Daniel day Kim.

566
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 3: I'm for cheering Daniel day Kim in a beige track suit.

567
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 3: I was like a bu, like a b really horny

568
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 3: for the beige tracksuit for some reason, and I was

569
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 3: like wow.

570
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, Diva, I didn't I didn't know

571
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: your game, but I know it now.

572
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 3: You know when someone can look hot in a tracksuit,

573
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 3: it's like, okay, this is a this is another level.

574
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, good for you, good for you. Truly. Anyway, So

575
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 4: they're engaged, but it doesn't seem like they have a

576
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 4: very warm or loving relationship. Meanwhile, Marcus lives in San Francisco.

577
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 4: He's still in his band called Hello Peril. They play,

578
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 4: you know, like crummy gigs or what we're supposed to

579
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 4: think or crummy gigs. He smokes a lot of weed.

580
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 4: He still lives with his dad, who's played by James Sato,

581
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 4: and Marcus is not motivated by capitalism, so we are

582
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 4: supposed to think that he's kind of a loser. And

583
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 4: I have a lot of stuff to talk about regarding class.

584
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 3: Okay, that's another big thing about, Like, yeah, I don't

585
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 3: I do like that their business, which again they're like,

586
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 3: oh you're not. I'm like, these are really good union jobs,

587
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 3: like right, like shut up.

588
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: Let's call a spaderes bad do. I think that the

589
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: band is trash absolutely, But his day dadad, his day

590
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: job is kind of like a big one, Like that's

591
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: a good job. That's a good man, Savannah, and it

592
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: is wild.

593
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 3: I truly, I was like, I cannot like especially because

594
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 3: these characters are in their thirties, Like I would not

595
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 3: be like, oh, you know this man that I'm in

596
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 3: love with who has a like great union job, I'm

597
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 3: not going to be like quit, leave everything you know

598
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 3: and be in.

599
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 5: Your horrible band, Like I don't.

600
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 3: Support men's dreams like that.

601
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 4: Like, well, I think it's because he works a blue

602
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 4: collar job that we're supposed to be, Like he needs

603
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 4: to get out of that.

604
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 5: He needs to do more.

605
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's sort of part of the girl bossiness of

606
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 3: this of like it is coded that someone could not

607
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 3: possibly be satisfied or content working at blue collar job,

608
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 3: or that they couldn't be content living where they grew

609
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 3: up either, like you have to move to New York

610
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 3: City and be an artist or you're a failure.

611
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 4: Totally okay. So back in La Sasha's fiance Brandon says

612
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 4: that he wants to postpone their wedding and see other

613
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 4: people for a while, and Sasha's friend and colleague, Veronica

614
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 4: played by Michelle Buteau, is like what the fuck, like

615
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 4: fuck that guy, and Sasha's like, yeah, probably. Then she

616
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 4: and Veronica head to San Francisco together to open the

617
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 4: new restaurant. They rent a house there and Veronica hires

618
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 4: Marcus and his dad to install or repair an air

619
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 4: conditioning unit. And Veronica did this to try to get

620
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 4: Sasha and Marcus to reconnect, but things are still awkward

621
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 4: between them. This is the first time they're seeing each

622
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 4: other in like sixteen years or something. Mister Kim suggests

623
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 4: that Sasha goes to Marcus's gig the following night, and

624
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 4: he also says like, hmm, I'm surprised you lost touch.

625
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 4: I always thought you'd maybe get together, and they're.

626
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 3: Like, he's really plot vibes at different moments. Yeah, he

627
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 3: walks into the city. He's like, your mother is dead.

628
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 3: He walks into the cities, like you two should be

629
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 3: to get together. At the end of the.

630
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: Movie, I acause, first of all, I love the actor

631
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: who plays his dad, but I also laughed at the

632
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: point in the film when he was like, I can

633
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: do my shot in the ass by myself, and it's

634
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: like we saw him to give you a shot on

635
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: the shoulder, so I was right when did it twitch right? There?

636
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 3: Again, it's just like the lack of detail that appears

637
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 3: a different because it's like they're like, I'm his caretaker,

638
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 3: but we don't know, we don't know have any context

639
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 3: for what that means. He implies that he doesn't need

640
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 3: a caretaker, but then it kind of comes back later

641
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 3: as if he does like it was just really confused

642
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 3: and and and then again, I think Ali Wank's character

643
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 3: was super insensitive by being like, what.

644
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 5: Do you mean you're just saying you need to be.

645
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 3: Your dad's caretaker because you won't follow your dream or

646
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 3: such like how projecting you're projecting?

647
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: And then the thing with him getting with the Diana

648
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: Ross impersonator. I was like, Okay, I guess, like I

649
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: get it. Yeah, like I'm happy for you, you know,

650
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: but it just it just seems so rare and don

651
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 1: and and also too, I did not like the character

652
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: of his girlfriend. I know you're not supposed to like

653
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: the girlfriend Jenny, but I particularly found the like Keanu

654
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: Reeves bit with her annoying, like not him, we love Keanu,

655
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: and like she's a great actress, but it was also

656
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: just like flat wise, she's like I'm just gonna stay

657
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: and like, you know, talk to him about saving yet sorry.

658
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 4: Oh we're about to be We're getting close.

659
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is a chaos episode. I love you.

660
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 4: Oh Okay. So Sasha decides to go to Marcus's band's

661
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 4: gig that night or the next night or whatever, and

662
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,919
Speaker 4: it's a nice time and it seems like maybe things

663
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 4: are starting to be less awkward between Marcus and Sasha.

664
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 4: But then Marcus's girlfriend, Jenny played by Vivian Bang shows up.

665
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 4: She's a big fan of Sasha's and wants to cook

666
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 4: for her, So Jenny invites her back to like her

667
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 4: and Marcus's place and basically makes a hot dog based

668
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 4: dish for Sasha.

669
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh, Sasha has a real snob about it.

670
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, listen, there's a b I have a book

671
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 3: for you.

672
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: I got to be fair. Who likes who likes? Though, and.

673
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 3: I think, well, okay, I'm uniquely going to defend them.

674
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 3: But when properly cooked, it didn't seem like she cooked

675
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 3: it very well though.

676
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, it seemed like a pretty gross dish. Yeah, But

677
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 4: the whole idea here is that Jenny is very cooky

678
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 4: and clearly not the right match for Marcus.

679
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 3: Even though it's like they're making it out like and

680
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 3: and there, I thought we were a couple of cheap

681
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 3: jokes that they have this character say where it's like

682
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 3: the idea again where it's just like, this movie has

683
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 3: moments that feel bizarrely conservative, like Jenny's character brings up

684
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 3: that she was she used to be poly amorous, and

685
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 3: that's very much like.

686
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 5: She's weird.

687
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: Weird. Yeah, I didn't have the spiritually married thing right.

688
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: That was also played for laughs.

689
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just yeah, it was just kind of

690
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 3: cheap because it's like, Okay, if polyamory is not your thing,

691
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 3: that's fine, But we're looking at two characters who lost

692
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 3: their virginity to each other and barely get along. Like

693
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 3: I'm supposed to take your feelings on polyamory seriously, get

694
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 3: a grip.

695
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: Yes.

696
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 4: Anyway, So they're all hanging out and then Marcus gives

697
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 4: Sasha a ride home in the car that they had

698
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 4: sex in all those years ago.

699
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: Which I like, sorry, but I just hate to eat

700
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: get that car like it took me off. I don't

701
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: know why I had such a visible reaction, and I

702
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: was like, get a new.

703
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 3: You've got a good job, Like, I don't know that

704
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 3: it's not a it's not a money Why he's still

705
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 3: driving the carl.

706
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 4: Get a vehicle shrug.

707
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 3: They're both such anyway.

708
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 4: They they're reminiscing about the past, and then she invites

709
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 4: him to a birthday party the following day at her parents' house.

710
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 4: They're celebrating a little cousin or something. During the party,

711
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 4: Sasha gets a call from her fiance Brandon, who she

712
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 4: had seen on social media canoodling with pad Malakshmi, and

713
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 4: so Sasha yells.

714
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 3: At him, Daniel Da Kevin pad Mlakhvi, like, honestly make

715
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 3: it happen, watch someone arrange that day.

716
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 4: Anyway, they break up is basically what happens. Meanwhile, Sasha

717
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 4: and Marcus seem to be connecting more and more, although

718
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 4: it's still a little awkward between them, but they go

719
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 4: out for some food and they talk about Marcus's band.

720
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 4: Sasha thinks that they're good and they can be really big,

721
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 4: but Mark doesn't have huge aspirations, and she keeps judging him.

722
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,240
Speaker 3: For that, which again is like this is where it starts.

723
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 3: It really started to kick in for me of like,

724
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 3: then you guys just aren't compatible. It's okay, Like it's

725
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 3: it's not a character I mean, I think the way

726
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 3: that she's judgmental of him is a character flaw and

727
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 3: is a dark quality. But it's like, if she wants

728
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 3: someone who is really ambitious and working in a creative field,

729
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 3: this is not the person for you. Accept it.

730
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 1: Also, I think the bigger thing is and again as

731
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: the defender of this relationship aside.

732
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 4: I'm neutral, is like, the band's not good, Like I look.

733
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 3: That because Randall Park, I guess was He's like, it's

734
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 3: based on my band from the nineties. I was like, well, yeah,

735
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 3: claud you're an act right.

736
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: The thing is is like I know he likes to

737
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: wrap and do that stuff. Like I'm like talk shows

738
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: and stuff, and that's great. We love a hobby, but

739
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,919
Speaker 1: the the band is so that sounded Sony Randall Park,

740
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: I love you, You're perfect, but it's just like, I

741
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: just don't feel like the band itself was as good

742
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 1: as she was trying to make us believe it was. Therefore,

743
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, she wants to really like him

744
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 1: because she just keeps telling people, Oh my god, they're

745
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: good and they could be big. No, they won't be.

746
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: They can't be.

747
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 5: When she's like, why don't you.

748
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 3: Go on a world tour, I'm like, what do you talk?

749
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 5: Did you hear?

750
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: What? Talent and money and time? What do you guys

751
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: do it? And I think maybe that's very AI wound

752
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 1: with me. I'm an earth sign, but I just feel

753
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: like I'm a virgirl, so like we love a plan

754
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: I just feel like your job with your daughter is

755
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: great if you want to just take over that. Butiness

756
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: that made more sense to me than like holding on

757
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: to I'm gonna be in this bak like do it

758
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: for fun. But I just felt like plot wise, it

759
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: didn't work to me, Like her opening the restaurant after

760
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: his mom worked for her character.

761
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.

762
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 4: I didn't mind some of the band's lyrics. I'll say that.

763
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 4: Oh I thought they were kind of funny.

764
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, Like I punched on I've seen that all

765
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: the time, Like I was, I was singing it, I

766
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: was the credits, and I'm like, why don't I remember

767
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 1: all these words?

768
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 3: I thought the tennis ball song was cute, but they're

769
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 3: they're like forty. I was like, I can't be just

770
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 3: like saying songs about tennis ball different and be like

771
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 3: and I'm a viable partner. That's again.

772
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 5: But like, yeah, I agree that they were.

773
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 3: They were really pushing the band is like, but and

774
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 3: and like you're saying, Kia that his character. It didn't

775
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 3: seem like that was his Like I want to be

776
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 3: a famous musician like that, right, I don't know. Yeah,

777
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 3: it's like it's if he is content and I don't know.

778
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 3: It just felt like so like, uh, black and white

779
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 3: in terms of what needed to happen with his character,

780
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 3: because it does seem like, yes, it would probably make

781
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 3: sense for him to like have his own place if

782
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 3: he's able to and like mature a little bit and it,

783
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 3: but because the movie doesn't seem interested in like examining

784
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 3: his grief for like why he's making those choices and

785
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 3: doesn't want to leave the home or whatever, it is,

786
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 3: like I just wish that there was some sort of

787
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 3: gray area to explore of like, yes, he has a

788
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 3: ways to go and like he's still growing as a person,

789
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 3: but that doesn't mean like I don't know, yeah, just

790
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 3: that the only version of success is being a famous

791
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 3: musician in New York City is like wild kind.

792
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: It's it's also just I think really weird that, like

793
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: I think you can absolutely be career focused, like Eli

794
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: Lung's character. Why do I not know their names? What

795
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: is going on with me?

796
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 4: Sasha and Marcus Sasha?

797
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 1: Okay, the thing with like Alis, the thing with Sasha, Like, Okay,

798
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: I know I want to do I want to I

799
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: want to have restaurants. I want to do like like

800
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: this is important to me and his sort of thing

801
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: is like I'm grieving and that's important to me. But

802
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just felt like it would have

803
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: been so much richer if he had a thing that

804
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: he was like good at, you know, right again that's

805
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: that's me speaking from a capitalistic society. But like what

806
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: if he could draw girl folded like a launcher.

807
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 3: I would have felt like like one of his French girls.

808
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I don't know.

809
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 4: I just felt like I maybe I'm just a defender

810
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 4: of the band Hello Peril, But I was like that

811
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 4: was his thing, that that is what he's doing.

812
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 5: It needs your support.

813
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 4: Is it amazing?

814
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: No?

815
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 4: But I would have gone to see them for fun

816
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 4: one night.

817
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: I don't know, for fun for sure.

818
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 3: Yeah for fun, Yeah, for fun one night.

819
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: Imagine her trying to follow him around in a world tour.

820
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: I mean it's just the songs.

821
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 3: I was like, this band has been together for twenty

822
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 3: years or something and they I only have three songs.

823
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: Which is why it because everybody looks younger than I.

824
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 3: Mean they are, because I did it, Charlie ye Is

825
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,760
Speaker 3: they were born. I mean they're like fifteen years younger

826
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 3: than well.

827
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 4: They addressed that in the movie, they're like, oh, it's

828
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 4: just me and I forget the other guy's name, but

829
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 4: it's like those were the original members and then they're

830
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 4: like and then we added new people later.

831
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 1: So also, like, again, I've seen this movie a handful

832
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 1: of times at this point, never knew that the parents

833
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: had a store.

834
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 4: Never only because it's in one quick, almost throwaway line

835
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 4: where they leave a message on the answering machine for

836
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 4: young Sasha and they're like, sorry, we won't be home.

837
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 4: We're stuck at the store. Make yourself dinner. So like

838
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 4: that's the only time we have any indication of what

839
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 4: they do, right, But yeah, that also could have been

840
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 4: like why don't we see them at the store or

841
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 4: something something? Anyway, so where were we? This is shortly

842
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 4: after Sasha and Brandon have broken off their engagement and

843
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 4: oh yeah, and then like Sasha is like, Marcus, you

844
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 4: should try to be a famous new musician and he's like, no,

845
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 4: no thanks, that's not really why I'm doing this. And

846
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 4: then that night, while Sasha is catering a wrap party

847
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:32,479
Speaker 4: for a Netflix show, she meets someone and we don't

848
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 4: know who it is at first, and we're like, oh,

849
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 4: who could it be? And we'll find out soon that

850
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 4: it's Keanu Reeves.

851
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 3: I remember this was like, this was like a very

852
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 3: like break the Internet kind of moment when it happened.

853
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 3: That's the only thing I knew about this movie was

854
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 3: that there is an extended Keanu Reeves cameo and it.

855
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 4: Yes where he plays himself, which I don't mind. I

856
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 4: had a good time.

857
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it.

858
00:45:58,080 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 5: I'm a hater.

859
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I love Kia know, I just I'm burned

860
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 3: out on like a celebrity being like celebrities are weird.

861
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: It's like, well, I think I liked it because he

862
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: just seems so excited because he was like and I

863
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: never get to play, you know, and I'm like half

864
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: agent or something. There was like some interview you did

865
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: where he like made it deeply philosophia, when I was like,

866
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: I love that for you can like if you're happy,

867
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: I'm happy and I'm the only thing that I really

868
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: like about it is the extended bit when he like

869
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: goes to visit Ellie Wong and like a stand up

870
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: show or whatever. She'll be like, oh, my ex husband

871
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: or my my ex boyfriend came to see me and

872
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: like that's the bit that I like. It's like this extended,

873
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: years long thing that they're like, Oh, it's beautiful we

874
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: used to do.

875
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 3: I mean, Ali Wong is the close I also love.

876
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 3: I feel like she and Bill Hayter what a powerful couple.

877
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 5: I know too.

878
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 3: I was like that, it just makes sense. I love

879
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 3: it. It does.

880
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 4: They seem so happy they do had no idea they

881
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 4: were together.

882
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 5: Isn't that a.

883
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 3: Good match though?

884
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:04,720
Speaker 1: You're just like such a good match.

885
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 4: Oh okay. So then Sasha has just met some mystery guy. Meanwhile,

886
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 4: Marcus's dad is like, I don't know about your girlfriend, Jenny.

887
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 4: You should be with Sasha and tell her how you feel.

888
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 4: And Marcus is like, hmm, sounds like a good idea.

889
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 4: So he goes to her and he's about to tell her,

890
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 4: but before he can, Sasha is like, I met someone.

891
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 4: Let's all go on a double date. And then it

892
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 4: turns out to be Keanu Reeves is her new lover,

893
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 4: playing himself, and Jenny is starstruck. Marcus is like, oh

894
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 4: my fucking god, Like, how am I supposed to compete

895
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 4: with Keanu Reeves. Marcus also thinks that he's like a

896
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 4: pretentious douchebag because he's playing a very goofy version of himself.

897
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 4: And then everyone goes to Keanu's hotel for a nightcap

898
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 4: and they play a game where they ask each other

899
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 4: questions and Sasha reveals that she has always had a

900
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 4: crush on Marcus, or at least like during their childhood,

901
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 4: and he's like, what really, I had no idea, and.

902
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 3: Then she's like, but not anymore, not for nothing. I

903
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 3: found that line confusing that he was like, you liked me.

904
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:23,439
Speaker 3: I was like, you guys did have sex likes. It's

905
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 3: not that, I mean, I guess, the whole life thing,

906
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 3: but I was like, you fucked. You can't be completely

907
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 3: shocked that she was attracted to you.

908
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah? And then things escalate from there, and this

909
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 4: game culminates in Marcus and Keanu getting into a fistfight,

910
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 4: and so Marcus and Sasha leave together. Jenny stays with

911
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 4: Keanu because they're like kind of vibing, I guess, and

912
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 4: then in the car ride home, Sasha and Marcus get

913
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 4: into another fight where Marcus accuses Sasha of, you know,

914
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 4: like filling her life with meaningless awards and related ships,

915
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 4: and Sasha accuses him of wasting his talent and potential,

916
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 4: and then he, surprised kisses her this time, but she's like, oh,

917
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 4: let's keep smooching, and then they go to her place

918
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 4: and have sex.

919
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 5: The sex scene is great.

920
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, no complaints, no complaints.

921
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: No good scene.

922
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 3: Let's keep it. Let's keep that scene in.

923
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: There, keep that scene in there.

924
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 4: And then after this, Sasha and Marcus start dating and

925
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 4: it's nice for a little while, but then Sasha has

926
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 4: to go to New York to open her restaurant there.

927
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 4: Marcus is apprehensive about going with her, and then after

928
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 4: this like red carpet event, they get in another fight

929
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 4: where he's like, I think the food you make is

930
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 4: pretentious and it caters to rich white people, and she's like, oh, yeah,

931
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 4: well I need you to be more supportive of my

932
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 4: capitalistic ambitions.

933
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's it's fair to ask for support

934
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 3: of her ambition. I would think that that is unreasonable.

935
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 3: I think what is unreasonable is at the end of

936
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 3: the movie, she is still making food basically for rich

937
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 3: white people, but now she's making his dead mom's recipes

938
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 3: for rich white people, and I'm like, it's it's worst

939
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 3: question mark.

940
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: Like, meanwhile, I'm like, girl, get your bill.

941
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 3: I'm not upset that she's like successful, I don't know.

942
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 3: That's fine.

943
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 4: I have a whole piece that I'll be quoting from

944
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 4: later that's all about how Sasha's character is complicit in

945
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 4: gentrification and all this stuff. All yeah, we'll get to that.

946
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 4: But anyway, So now it's the night of the opening

947
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 4: of Sasha's San Francisco restaurant. Marcus doesn't go with her,

948
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 4: and he says he doesn't want to go to New

949
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 4: York with her either, So they basically break up and

950
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 4: they're both very sad, and Sasha goes to New York

951
00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 4: alone and he starts to harass her. Yeah, but he

952
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 4: then he tries to start to get his life together. First,

953
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 4: there's like an audition with his band that he absolutely

954
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 4: blows because he gets drunk and like pisses on the stage.

955
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 4: But then they redo the audition and this time they

956
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 4: nail it. And then he moves into his own apartment

957
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 4: and he takes over the merch sales for his band

958
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 4: and they start selling a bunch of.

959
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 3: Merch except no, they don't. And this is never like again,

960
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 3: I'm like that never to me should be a source

961
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 3: of conflict of like, oh, you think so little of

962
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 3: my potential as an artist that you were buying all

963
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 3: of the merch, Like, how would that not be a

964
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 3: hit to his confidence?

965
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 7: See that's not even see yeah, I would be like,

966
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 7: oh you bought all my thank you, I love you

967
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 7: bad because if somebody was like, oh I want to

968
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 7: see if he succeed.

969
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: And they bought all my books. Baby, I'm not gonna

970
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: be upset. I'm gonna be like, thank you, I love you.

971
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: Let's like you know, fair enough, Yeah, you know, go

972
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: do it, or like.

973
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:07,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, anyway, the movie's almost over. So now he goes

974
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:11,959
Speaker 4: to Sasha's San Francisco restaurant because he's like, maybe she's

975
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 4: there and maybe I can talk to her. But she's

976
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 4: not in New York famously like she said, right. But

977
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 4: he goes into her office and this is when he

978
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 4: sees that she had bought all of his merch and

979
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 4: so he's like, wait a minute, does she love me?

980
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 4: So then he buys a suit and he goes to

981
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 4: New York to surprise Sasha at an awards ceremony, and

982
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 4: he makes a big speech about how he wants to

983
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 4: be with her no matter what, and they kiss and

984
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 4: make up, and then she takes him to her New

985
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 4: York City restaurant and then twist, it's the restaurant where

986
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 4: she has plagiarized his mom's recipes and you guys, she.

987
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 1: Got her blessing from beyond. I don't know how this.

988
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 3: At this point, I'm like, if I'm Randall Park, I'm

989
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 3: ever speaking to this woman again, and I'm suing her.

990
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 4: And he said, he's like, wow, that's awesome.

991
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 8: She's like, I stole your mom's recipes and I'm going

992
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 8: to do it in my little gentrification pistro and then

993
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 8: goes to her like the widower.

994
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 3: And is like, she'd love this right after the business

995
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 3: is open, Like, yeah, that.

996
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: Would be nice. If it was just like not open

997
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: and that's what she was planning to do, right, that

998
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,240
Speaker 1: would have that would have worked a little bit better,

999
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: I think. But I also saw in the beginning how

1000
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: her mom was like very supportive of her cooking and

1001
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, here's how you do it. So in

1002
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: a way, it felt like she was sharing in this

1003
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: moment with I'm just excuse, but she was sharing this

1004
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 1: moment with his mom, and it was like.

1005
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 3: You know, I mean, I knew what they were going for.

1006
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 3: I just like it just felt so I mean, I

1007
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 3: think that this was one of the many elements of

1008
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:57,959
Speaker 3: like the last fifteen to twenty minutes of the movie.

1009
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 3: They just felt really really really rush.

1010
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1011
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 4: Well, anyways, that's the end of the movie. Basically, like

1012
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 4: Marcus Loves the Restaurant, the opening goes, well, everyone has

1013
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:13,760
Speaker 4: a nice time the end. So let's take another quick

1014
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,720
Speaker 4: break and we'll come back to discuss further.

1015
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 3: And we're back. I know that we have a lot

1016
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 3: to get to. One of the things I just wanted

1017
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 3: to sort of go back to the original round of

1018
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 3: press around this movie when it came out, because something

1019
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 3: that I also, you know, knew about this movie that

1020
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 3: is absolutely worth talking about is that it is one

1021
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 3: of the few, like mainstream rom coms that has Asian

1022
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 3: American characters at its center and is also written by

1023
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 3: literally the stars of the movie but Asian American, right.

1024
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 3: I believe the director in Nanachaka Khan, who also has

1025
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 3: is like a PROLIFICXIT comm director, is Iranian American, and

1026
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 3: there is a lot of diversity in front of and

1027
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 3: behind the camera, which in rom comms is still extremely

1028
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 3: extremely rare. I mean, we were just talking about anyone

1029
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 3: but you, which is my understanding. Is a blindingly white movie,

1030
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 3: and there was a lot written at the time this

1031
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 3: movie came out celebrating that, I think gratefully so there

1032
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:42,720
Speaker 3: was a vox essay that I bravely read by writer

1033
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 3: Jason Sheen that sort of breaks down a lot of

1034
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 3: what he felt the Asian American stereotypes being challenged very

1035
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 3: subtly in this movie. The piece is called why Always

1036
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:59,879
Speaker 3: Be My Maybe's Asian American Underachiever is groundbreaking and specifically

1037
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 3: into Randall Park's character and talking about how, you know,

1038
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 3: the representation of an Asian American character who is not

1039
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 3: fighting against but not meeting the like very model minority

1040
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 3: stereotypes that we often see Asian American characters written into.

1041
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 3: We can link it in the description, but I just

1042
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 3: wanted to share sort of hys thesis here. He writes.

1043
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 3: It might sound strange, but an Asian American lead character

1044
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 3: playing a low achiever might be just what our community

1045
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 3: needs right now. The story of Asians in America is

1046
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 3: a happy one at first glance. As the nation's fastest

1047
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 3: growing racial group, we're seen as an educated quote unquote

1048
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 3: model minority citizens who have earned society's respect, but Asian

1049
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 3: American achievement often faces backlash. And we've discussed these trips

1050
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 3: on the show before. But I think that it definitely

1051
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 3: is a positive thing to just have again simple thing

1052
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 3: that we never see, these characters that exist that we

1053
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 3: never see. So I think that that is great. I

1054
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 3: don't totally agree that Randall Park's character having a blue

1055
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 3: collar job is passively accepted by the movie. I think

1056
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 3: that's sort of where I chafe it that a little bit.

1057
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 3: But I do think, you know, from a representation standpoint,

1058
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 3: it's wonderful.

1059
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. A lot of movies treat Asian characters

1060
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 4: and Asian American characters as a monolith and adhere to

1061
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 4: so many reductive tropes, and I agree that this movie

1062
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 4: subverts a lot of them. I wanted to share a

1063
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 4: quote from Ali Wong from an interview that she and

1064
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 4: Randall Park did in Glamour, where she says, quote to me,

1065
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 4: Marcus's character is very much a type of guy that

1066
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 4: I grew up with, a very Asian American dude who

1067
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 4: grew up in the Bay and lives at home well

1068
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 4: into his thirties. Because of gentrification and rent is so

1069
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 4: expensive in San Francisco. They have this artistic passion and

1070
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 4: they're not that ambitious because they're third generation. Their parents

1071
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 4: don't have that crazy immigrant mentality. That's something I have

1072
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 4: never seen on camera before. But that's something I very

1073
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 4: much grew up with. These guys were so sexy and confident,

1074
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 4: but they're good, you know, and his dad is his friend,

1075
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 4: and you haven't seen that kind of Asian dad before.

1076
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 4: My dad was born in the United States. He didn't

1077
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 4: have any accent. He was very progressive and he journaled.

1078
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 4: He's really into self reflection. I know a lot of

1079
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 4: dads like that, and I have always felt like it's

1080
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 4: a shame that they weren't on camera. This is not

1081
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 4: the Asian American rom com. This is an Asian American

1082
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 4: rom com. That's an Asian American dad. That's an Asian

1083
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 4: American guy I haven't seen before parentheses on screen, and

1084
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:58,959
Speaker 4: that's very exciting to me. Unquote. So that's from Ali Wong.

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Speaker 4: Randall Ark had similar comments about seeing a lack of

1086
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 4: Asian American characters in certain roles in media. I'm going

1087
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 4: to paraphrase from an interview with him in Associated press,

1088
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 4: where he says that he always wanted to play the

1089
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 4: romantic lead in a movie, but those parts weren't available

1090
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 4: to him in Hollywood, so he was like, well, in

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00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 4: that case, I have to write my own story where

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00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 4: I can be the romantic lead since the industry isn't

1093
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 4: affording me those opportunities. And then Ali Wong also says

1094
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 4: that it was very important to her that all of

1095
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 4: her characters love interests be Asian American and that in

1096
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 4: all of her work, it's important that she shows her

1097
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 4: attraction and desire toward Asian American men, which all of

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00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 4: that speaks to Hollywood's tendency to desexualize Asian men and

1099
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 4: the refusal to present Asian men as romantically viable p

1100
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Speaker 4: and so all of this to say, obviously, Ali Wang

1101
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 4: and Randall Park were very mindful of the stereotypical representation

1102
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 4: of Asian American characters that existed on screen previously, and

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01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 4: with this movie, they wanted to show more nuance and

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01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 4: diversity in the type of Asian American characters who appear

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Speaker 4: on screen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think what's really nice as like the person

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Speaker 1: of color, like the black person right now on the

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01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: pot is like I went into it being like I

1109
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 1: forgot how nice it was not to have something centered

1110
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: around whiteness, Like, yeah, there was a conversation around like,

1111
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: you know, you're catering your restaurant to like rich white people,

1112
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: but it was like not to be inundated with whiteness

1113
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: as a default was really really nice because it's been

1114
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: such a long time, which again, what is time with

1115
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: the pandemic, but it's been such a long time since

1116
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: I've seen that happen.

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01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 3: Since, right, for sure. That's why I feel we've I

1118
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 3: feel like we will probably unfortunately keep talking about this

1119
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 3: on the show of like feeling like around this time

1120
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Speaker 3: in the late twenty tens, where there was starting to

1121
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 3: be more representation in genres where we didn't normally see it,

1122
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 3: we were getting better written characters who weren't meant like

1123
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 3: sis men weren't the default. And then in the last

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01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 3: couple of years, it feels like, I mean, amongst many

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01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 3: other things, that that progress is sliding backwards and experiencing

1126
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 3: significant backlash. And yeah, I mean, for all the gripes

1127
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 3: I have about this movie, it's I can't think of many,

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Speaker 3: you know, movies that have made at this budget with

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01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 3: this amount of marketing as well that center Asian American characters.

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Speaker 4: Well that's the thing, because I just saw two movies

1131
01:01:57,560 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 4: that are at the time of this recording, I think,

1132
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 4: still in theaters but hard to find because they don't

1133
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 4: have huge releases. But I saw The Wedding Banquet.

1134
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 3: And Oh Yes, It's a Nice.

1135
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:15,439
Speaker 4: Indian Boy, which are two queer romantic comedies slash dramaedis

1136
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 4: that feature predominantly Asian American characters, and but they're not

1137
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 4: They don't have the same marketing around them, so I

1138
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 4: feel like a lot of people don't know about them

1139
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 4: or as much about them.

1140
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're on my list. I'm trying to figure out

1141
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: how I can see them both because I've heard good thing.

1142
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 3: They're both really good right there, but they're hard to like.

1143
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 3: I I also saw The Wedding Banquet and it's already

1144
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 3: like halved in terms of the numbers of screenings that

1145
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 3: it's getting, and I haven't seen any marketing for it.

1146
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 3: Like I just knew I'll see anything Bowen yangs in,

1147
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 3: so the ads found me.

1148
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean overall, like I saw a lot

1149
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 4: of writing about this movie to the effect of how

1150
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 4: refreshing it was for so many viewers, particularly Asian American audiences,

1151
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 4: where they were able to see a pretty standard rom

1152
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 4: com story because the idea for this movie was Ali

1153
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 4: Wang and Rendall Park being like, hey, we should make

1154
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 4: our own version of When Harry Met Sally, right, And

1155
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,439
Speaker 4: the movie follows a lot of the same beats as

1156
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 4: that movie, So it's a pretty you know, standard rom

1157
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 4: com narrative, but it features characters who look like them

1158
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 4: and who had similar upbringings and who had similar cultural experiences,

1159
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 4: and who were also living regular lives. Because this movie,

1160
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 4: because it came out a year after Crazy Rich Asians,

1161
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 4: a lot of people who wrote about this movie were like,

1162
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 4: Crazy Rich Asians was fun and everything, but I couldn't

1163
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 4: really relate to those characters because they're literal billionaires. But

1164
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 4: Always be My Maybe had like familiar people in it.

1165
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 4: And also a lot of people had written about how

1166
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 4: there was in Always Be My Maybe no real focus

1167
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 4: on their like quote unquote otherness, and that there was

1168
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 4: like no real clash of Eastern versus Western values. Not

1169
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 4: that those things aren't worth exploring in media, but this

1170
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 4: movie is more like, hey, look at these regular American

1171
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 4: people who are living laughing, loving, and they just happen

1172
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 4: to be Asian. So that was like very refreshing for

1173
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 4: a lot of people. I'll share a quote from a

1174
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 4: New Yorker piece written by Jiayang Fan entitled what Always

1175
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 4: Be My Maybe understands about making an Asian American rom

1176
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 4: com quote. I watched Always Be My Maybe alone in

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01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 4: a theater in Manhattan, acutely aware that this was a

1178
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 4: mainstream movie of America's favorite variety, the rom com, and

1179
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 4: of the fact that a multi ethnic audience had sat

1180
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 4: down to watch two Asian leads fall in love. More

1181
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 4: than anything else, it was the film's depiction of growing

1182
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 4: up in the US in an Asian home that made

1183
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 4: my heart yelp. The and oh oh no, a word

1184
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:19,919
Speaker 4: that I don't know how to say, involuble yeah now that, oh,

1185
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 4: thank you so much, ritual of removing shoes before entering

1186
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 4: a house, the plastic covered furniture in Sasha's parents' home,

1187
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 4: which so resembled my own childhood living room. To watch

1188
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 4: these mundane, culturally specific details exposed on the big screen,

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01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 4: the very things that I and many Asian American kids

1190
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 4: once wanted to hide, felt quietly radical. And then the

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01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 4: piece goes on to talk about various other culturally specific

1192
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 4: things that the movie includes that felt very familiar and

1193
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 4: authentic to the writer, such as like having to consume

1194
01:05:56,120 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 4: media about white people like Clarissa's plans at all and

1195
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 4: Wayne's world because that's all there was when they were

1196
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 4: growing up, or parents trying to avoid any service that

1197
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 4: requires tipping because they were poor and had to be

1198
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 4: very careful with their money.

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Speaker 1: So I also think it's funny too, like as the

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01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 1: disabled person, the joke. I remember when I first watched

1201
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 1: the movie, the joke about the parking placards really pissed

1202
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 1: me off. But then I watched it today and I

1203
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:30,439
Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's really funny. Like I think part

1204
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 1: of it is just like one I chilled out because

1205
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 1: like for a while there, I was just like yeah,

1206
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 1: and then you know, I like relaxed a little bit.

1207
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 1: But it was actually funny this go around.

1208
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 4: You mean the scene where they noticed how when they're

1209
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 4: in Chinatown and.

1210
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, how every every part has the parking platters. Yeah,

1211
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 1: that scene, I was like, Oh, this is actually funny.

1212
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I think I think two, it

1213
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 1: really shows the passing of time for me. I mean

1214
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 1: this said nothing to do technically with a movie. But

1215
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 1: when I first sat like, I think I wrote an

1216
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 1: article about it about how like or a tweet or

1217
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 1: something when Twitter was good about how that singular section

1218
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 1: upset me. And then I noticed today that I was

1219
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 1: like fully laughing at it, and I said, oh, what

1220
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 1: was you look at that? Just so sometimes it just

1221
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 1: takes a second, but I think that there's something. I

1222
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 1: think jokes like that are a good way of punching up,

1223
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 1: and not enough people do it. And I'm just saying

1224
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,479
Speaker 1: that it's like a person who has never fully seen

1225
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 1: herself represented in rob concert otherwise, and like jokes like

1226
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 1: that that's a good one because it's not like cracking

1227
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 1: on disabled people to do what it's just like with

1228
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 1: all these placards.

1229
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 4: Like yeah, and then and then Sasha is like, yeah,

1230
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 4: they have these placards, but look at him getting out

1231
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 4: of his truck all able bodied, which could mean that

1232
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 4: he just has an invisible disability, right you know.

1233
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think it.

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01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 1: Does a good job and either both like poking at

1235
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 1: her and the idea that she has no idea how

1236
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 1: like disability actually works, and also the idea that like

1237
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 1: people are just so convinced that disable people have all

1238
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 1: kinds are gaming the system. I remember once this lady

1239
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 1: like knocked on the car door and I put my

1240
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 1: hand out, like my right hand out so she could see.

1241
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, hello, what what are you gonna do? Like

1242
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to have this? Why are you tryed? God,

1243
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 1: I just wanted to let you know that the police

1244
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 1: are out here. Okay, thanks? Cool fun.

1245
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 4: I mean, for me, my big criticism around this movie,

1246
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 4: and I've already alluded to this is the way that

1247
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 4: the movie handles class and.

1248
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 3: Which in some ways I've also noticed that, And I

1249
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 3: was like, in some ways, I feel like that is

1250
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 3: it is truly just like they made a rom com

1251
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 3: that centers Asian American characters in a way that I

1252
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 3: think was very impactful, but they still made an American

1253
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 3: rom com where it is like insensitive to class and

1254
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 3: like very bootstrap aspirational in all the ways that American

1255
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 3: rom coms tend to be.

1256
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 4: Right.

1257
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I almost I mean not to invalidate what

1258
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 1: you're saying, obviously, Caitlin, but I almost feel like that's

1259
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 1: the beauty in it, because when you approach any genre

1260
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 1: as a person of color, people do expect you to have,

1261
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 1: like the set decisions and set thoughts on all of

1262
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 1: the things that other rom coms tend to ignore.

1263
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 9: So there's some power in the fact that they didn't

1264
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 9: address it in that way, because it was like, Okay,

1265
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,719
Speaker 9: we don't have to in the same way that they don't,

1266
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:43,639
Speaker 9: you know, when Harry met.

1267
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 3: Staley totally right, like setting the bar high, like higher

1268
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 3: for marginalized creators kind of thing.

1269
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I see what you're saying, because I mean,

1270
01:09:55,800 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 4: so much of art, the creators of color make is

1271
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 4: held to a very rigid standard, and if there's too

1272
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:10,759
Speaker 4: much subversion then people will be all up in arms

1273
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 4: and oh, this isn't a rom com because X y

1274
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 4: Z I just I mean. And also this came out

1275
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 4: in twenty nineteen, when culturally we were less critical of capitalism.

1276
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:26,640
Speaker 4: I think in the past five years there's been a

1277
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 4: pretty significant shift.

1278
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, the pandemic got a lot of people radicalized.

1279
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 4: For sure, So I'm not surprised that this movie isn't

1280
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 4: very critical of capitalism, but I still think it's worth

1281
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 4: pointing out where it manifests in a couple different ways.

1282
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 4: One of them is part of the dynamic of their

1283
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 4: relationship is that by capitalists society's standards, Sasha is more

1284
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 4: quote unquote successful because she's a business owner and she

1285
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 4: has more money and more ambition. And then by those

1286
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 4: same standards, Marcus is quote unquote not successful because he

1287
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 4: lives with his dad and he has a blue collar

1288
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 4: job and he doesn't have these huge career ambitions, and

1289
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 4: he still drives the same car from when he was

1290
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 4: a teenager, and he's you know, content to play in

1291
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 4: this band at this small club and never make any

1292
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 4: money from the band and all this kind of stuff,

1293
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:31,839
Speaker 4: and they constantly argue about these differences, which to your point, Jamie,

1294
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 4: is that they are, like they're not catal. But the

1295
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 4: movie it frames Marcus's situation as something that needs to

1296
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 4: be fixed more or less, where he has the arc

1297
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 4: where he you know, he moves out of the dad's

1298
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 4: place and he you know, gets the audition at the

1299
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 4: bigger club and he starts making money, which is actually

1300
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:59,759
Speaker 4: just Sasha buying his march. But like it's not until

1301
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:04,599
Speaker 4: then that they end up together and happy.

1302
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 3: But he's like quote unquote viable. Yeah, which again I

1303
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 3: feel like for me the fix here because I hear

1304
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 3: what you're both saying, and I feel like the fix

1305
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:18,680
Speaker 3: here is the writing gets caught up in this like

1306
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 3: capitalistic idea of what happiness looks like when this conversation

1307
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:26,599
Speaker 3: I feel like would be more effective and would make

1308
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 3: me feel less kind of icky about the relationship if

1309
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 3: it was about passion versus success. And I think Kia

1310
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 3: you mentioned earlier, like if we saw that Randall Park

1311
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 3: loves being in this band, it is his passion. It

1312
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 3: is like his source of joy. And Ali Wong's character

1313
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 3: loves being a chef and like building these restaurants. But

1314
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 3: the conflict is she is making a lot of money

1315
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 3: doing it. He isn't. But they have passion, but it

1316
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 3: feels like it gets instead sort of involved like a

1317
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:04,640
Speaker 3: very capitalistic, rigid definition of success.

1318
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 1: And also too, it just seems like the thing with

1319
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 1: Sastress like does she love it or is it just

1320
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 1: the career she's good at? Right?

1321
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 5: Not clear?

1322
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 1: That's the question that I have too, because I was

1323
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:19,799
Speaker 1: just like, do you love your job because you don't

1324
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 1: seem that happy doing right.

1325
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:24,680
Speaker 3: She's like, I'm doing it because I have to. And

1326
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 3: it's also but it's like why do you have to

1327
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 3: let's keep Yeah, you just want to like push the

1328
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:35,559
Speaker 3: script a little further. And I mean, and Kaitlyn, you're

1329
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 3: totally right the gentrification aspect, Like in some ways it's like, yeah,

1330
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:43,720
Speaker 3: this is what Meg Ryan would do it in a

1331
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 3: I mean, at least, at very least, this is not

1332
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 3: the most egregious gentrification realm complot point that will always

1333
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 3: go to you've got mail.

1334
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 10: But but but yeah, it just especially if a movie

1335
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 10: made in twenty nineteen, it felt again, I'm wondering if

1336
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 10: there were drafts of the script that dealt with this

1337
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 10: a little or that developed this.

1338
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 3: Or a little more thoughtfully, because it just felt so

1339
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 3: fast at the end.

1340
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 1: Even I think too then it's is gonna be I

1341
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 1: don't know, but like remember the white girl that she

1342
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 1: was like the assistant of and she she was gonna

1343
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 1: get Yes, she was scared, she was gonna get fired

1344
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 1: the whole time, even if she was like, you know what,

1345
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna relinquish dealing with this one here. I'll give

1346
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:35,640
Speaker 1: Michelle Puto's other one and I'm gonna put my focus

1347
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 1: on this one restaurant. Even that I feel like would

1348
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 1: have helped with the like less feeling work monopoly pieces,

1349
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 1: you know, because after a while it was like, oh, yeah,

1350
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 1: I got one.

1351
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 3: In New York, I got a she's franchising, Like, yeah,

1352
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 3: she's franchising.

1353
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:54,640
Speaker 1: It was like, girl, I get it. But at the

1354
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 1: same time, you can't the mean Marcus for not having

1355
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 1: direction when your direction is just you and constant movement

1356
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 1: without being able to rest. There's something to have to

1357
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:09,880
Speaker 1: your therapist, a bounty, but like, why do you need

1358
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 1: to be in constant movement? Sit down somewhere, take on that, take.

1359
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 3: Us correct, as the kids said, touch some grass, Ali Wong. Yeah,

1360
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 3: And I mean it's the criticism of the gentrification aspects

1361
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 3: of the restaurant come up really fast and only at

1362
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 3: the end, and the only resolution given for it is, oh,

1363
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:36,559
Speaker 3: I'll just steal your dead mom's recipe. Does that work?

1364
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 3: And it weirdly and he's like, oh, yeah, that solves

1365
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 3: gentrification as long as you.

1366
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 1: Like, as long as we can stop the whole fusion,

1367
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 1: just make them as they are, and that's that. And

1368
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 1: it's just like, I don't I don't think we knew

1369
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 1: enough of their material thoughts in a lot of places

1370
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 1: that we needed them.

1371
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:55,680
Speaker 3: For sure, sure, because we don't know I mean like

1372
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,600
Speaker 3: is again, yeah, where it's just like it seems like

1373
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:02,720
Speaker 3: there's a sort of void of passion between these two

1374
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:07,639
Speaker 3: characters in their pursuits, where I'm like, is Ali Wong

1375
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:12,559
Speaker 3: really passionate about the food her restaurants serve? We don't

1376
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:18,520
Speaker 3: really know, we don't really ever see her cooking. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1377
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 4: I have alluded to this piece a couple times already,

1378
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 4: but I just want to share a few quotes from

1379
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 4: a piece in plan A magazine by writer Promise Lee

1380
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:36,879
Speaker 4: entitled Always Be My Maybe Gentrification and the Asian American

1381
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 4: rom com. The piece starts by commenting on the criticisms

1382
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 4: of crazy rich Asians when that movie came out, how

1383
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 4: it only portrayed very affluent Asian characters really just.

1384
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 3: The richest people humanly possible. Yeah, reruly.

1385
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 4: It goes on to make a similar point that we

1386
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 4: were making earlier regarding the Sasha characters, kind of like

1387
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 4: constantly berating Marcus for his lifestyle.

1388
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 3: And the movie, like the events and logic of the movie.

1389
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:12,800
Speaker 3: Siding with her on that is, I feel like it's

1390
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:14,760
Speaker 3: never like she has a because it's one thing if

1391
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 3: she has a realization of like I've been so judgmental

1392
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 3: based on class, or like, I think there's such a

1393
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 3: thing as like projecting at the class you grew up in,

1394
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 3: or whatever it may be, But there is no such realization.

1395
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 3: It's just like it seems like those are the values

1396
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:31,120
Speaker 3: of the movie, right, Yeah.

1397
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 4: And then the piece goes on to examine her work

1398
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 4: as a like restauranteur and the types of restaurants that

1399
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:44,280
Speaker 4: she's opening, and so the piece says, quote of course,

1400
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 4: the film's concluding scene demonstrates that its ideal of innovation

1401
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 4: does not equate to a rejection of all tradition. Tradition

1402
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:54,679
Speaker 4: for Sasha must be done well. It needs to sell.

1403
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 4: Sasha's final invention in the film is a Korean restaurant,

1404
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:03,680
Speaker 4: more quote unquote authentic then her previous eateries, as it

1405
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 4: is based on Marcus's late mother, Judy's old recipes. But

1406
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 4: despite the film's occasionally positive portrayal of local, authentic restaurants,

1407
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 4: its end goal is clear. The ideal isn't the local

1408
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 4: Cantonese dim sum joint with rude service that Marcus and

1409
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 4: Sasha grew up frequenting. It is Judy's way, the gentrifying

1410
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 4: hip Korean eatery that reworks old family recipes for a

1411
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:32,200
Speaker 4: different demographic. For all the talk of Sashu's turned to authenticity,

1412
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:35,719
Speaker 4: the film shows no ambiguity as to who the target

1413
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 4: audience is for Judy's Way. In its final shot of

1414
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:42,719
Speaker 4: the restaurant's long line of white professionals and high heels

1415
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 4: in pinstriped blazers, the piece goes on to say gentrification

1416
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 4: has been widely portrayed in rigidly racialized terms, with working

1417
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:54,600
Speaker 4: class residents of color being forced out of their neighborhoods

1418
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 4: by affluent or middle class white developers and residents. But

1419
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 4: always be my maybe show as a crucial element frequently

1420
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:07,599
Speaker 4: understated or overlooked in the relentless calculus of gentrification, the

1421
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 4: act of complicity of more affluent people of color in

1422
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 4: displacing their less privileged counterparts. Entrepreneurs like Sashia churn out

1423
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 4: restaurant after restaurant that no one needs in the community,

1424
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 4: but that threatens the livelihood of workers of color that

1425
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 4: depend on the sustenance of local businesses unquote. So yeah,

1426
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 4: I just wanted to share that. I thought that was

1427
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 4: a really great piece.

1428
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:34,800
Speaker 3: And the thing that is frustrating about this is I

1429
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 3: think that you can maintain the tone of this movie

1430
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 3: and still address it. And it's sort of hint because

1431
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:47,839
Speaker 3: the elements of gentrification are hinted at in passing with jokes.

1432
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 3: You can tackle a topic as serious and insidious as

1433
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:55,760
Speaker 3: gentrification in a rom com, and I think that these

1434
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 3: writers are well qualified to do it, which kind of

1435
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:01,680
Speaker 3: makes it a little more bizarre that it goes in

1436
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 3: so hard on the capitalism.

1437
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 4: Angle, right, so disappointing.

1438
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 3: But again, I mean, as as Kio is saying too,

1439
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 3: it's you know, it is one of the ways in

1440
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 3: which this movie kind of for worse adheres to the

1441
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 3: values of the American rom com because American rom coms

1442
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 3: are nothing if very pro capitalist.

1443
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:34,880
Speaker 4: Absolutely. One of the things that is subverted switching gears here.

1444
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 4: But that I wanted to comment on is glasses representation.

1445
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:41,920
Speaker 5: Oh, I thought that too.

1446
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 3: I mean, that's Ali Wong in general. She's been on

1447
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 3: that beat for for many years. And some of the

1448
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:49,959
Speaker 3: best glasses in the game.

1449
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:53,759
Speaker 4: Such good glasses. Yeah. Friend of the Show Canise Mobley

1450
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 4: often cites this movie when talking about representation of characters

1451
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 4: wearing glasses. And then I would go on to realize

1452
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 4: that there's like, there are whole Reddit threads about her

1453
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 4: glasses in this movie. But basically the idea is, this

1454
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:14,680
Speaker 4: is one of the only movies where a woman or

1455
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 4: I guess, person of any gender, but specifically a woman

1456
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 4: in this case in a romantic lead who wears glasses

1457
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 4: in general and keeps them on the whole movie and

1458
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,640
Speaker 4: like doesn't take them off as some like she's all

1459
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:31,639
Speaker 4: that style makeover.

1460
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1461
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 3: No, I I appreciate that. I think about that a

1462
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 3: lot because I I guess it is like sort of

1463
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 3: drilled into you culturally because I wear glass. My vision's horrible.

1464
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 3: I wear glasses, but usually not two occasions, and that

1465
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:50,839
Speaker 3: is a very culturally bashed in thing. I do wonder

1466
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 3: to some extent if that movie because there is the

1467
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 3: she's all that element of I feel like just the lazy,

1468
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 3: you know, twentieth century person wearing glasses, dork thing.

1469
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:06,719
Speaker 5: Nerd alert.

1470
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:09,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, but also having worked in production, I do sort

1471
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 3: of wonder if it's just a glare issue sometimes, like

1472
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 3: it is hard to film people in glasses, but the

1473
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 3: glasses are such a huge part of who Ali Wong is,

1474
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:25,719
Speaker 3: and you know, certainly no one could accuse Ali Wang

1475
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 3: of being anything but very hot and like treated as such. Yeah,

1476
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:33,360
Speaker 3: that is a good I hadn't even thought of that.

1477
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:36,719
Speaker 3: I just was admiring her frames. She has great taste

1478
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 3: in frames, she really does.

1479
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, the movie does pass the Bechdel test. Yeah, but

1480
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 4: between Sasha and Veronica and her mom and Marcus's mom,

1481
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:55,160
Speaker 4: so yeah, there's many interactions.

1482
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 3: I will say, we didn't have a lot of time

1483
01:22:57,160 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 3: to talk about Michelle Buttoe's character, not that there's a

1484
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 3: ton to talk but I did think again where this

1485
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:05,559
Speaker 3: is like, this is firmly an American rom com where

1486
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 3: Michelle Buteau is best friending the hell out of this role.

1487
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 3: Like we don't know anything. We do find out that

1488
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:17,800
Speaker 3: she has a partner, but her whole thing is she's

1489
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:22,560
Speaker 3: pregnant and she really cares about Ali Wong's character's interior life.

1490
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:24,480
Speaker 3: It's very rom com.

1491
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 1: Also, I noticed this time for the first time that

1492
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 1: she knew them when they were kids. Yes, I never

1493
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 1: noticed that she was supposed to be the other little

1494
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:34,719
Speaker 1: girl at the table.

1495
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1496
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 4: I also noticed that on my most recent watch.

1497
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, oh, I never popped them.

1498
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 4: Because they don't talk to her or address her by

1499
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:43,120
Speaker 4: name or anything like that.

1500
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, and I was just like, it really reiterated

1501
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 1: my desire. I know that she has survival as the thickest,

1502
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:53,720
Speaker 1: but it really reiterated my desire to see her in

1503
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 1: like a firmly rom com movie that's full of all

1504
01:23:58,000 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 1: of the tropes.

1505
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:03,799
Speaker 3: I haven't seen it, but she was in Babes last year, right, Yeah, Babes.

1506
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:04,720
Speaker 5: Was it bad?

1507
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:05,519
Speaker 3: I haven't seen it.

1508
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 4: Oh no, I didn't love it, and she plays the

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Speaker 4: same best friend character. It's not it doesn't center her

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Speaker 4: quite as much, and.

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Speaker 1: So like, I just want to see her like in

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Speaker 1: that way, even though I know she has figures. I'm like,

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01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:22,759
Speaker 1: give give the girl, and I rang it on Netflix movie.

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01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:26,559
Speaker 1: She's so funny. She carries a lot of these as

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Speaker 1: the best friend, a lot of these roles.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like she has replaced like the Judy

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Speaker 4: Greer best friend rom cos she has.

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Speaker 3: Kind of millennial Judy Greer, and much like Judy Greer,

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01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:40,759
Speaker 3: we must free her. She has so much talent.

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Speaker 1: She does.

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Speaker 4: As far as our nipple scale goes, where we raped

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01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 4: the movie zero to five nipples based on examining it

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01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 4: through an intersectional feminist lens, there's a lot to love

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01:24:54,320 --> 01:25:00,920
Speaker 4: and appreciate about this movie as far as represent goes

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01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 4: of centering Asian American characters written by Asian American writers

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Speaker 4: who are pulling from their own experiences, pulling from people

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Speaker 4: they know, broadening the scope of the type of Asian

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Speaker 4: American person you tend to see represented on screen. Letting

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01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 4: these characters be the romantic leads in a rom com

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01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 4: who are falling in love and arguing all the time.

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01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:31,760
Speaker 3: But you still get like all the rom com you know,

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01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:37,520
Speaker 3: itches scratched, where there's I thought that Ali Wong's wardrobe

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01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 3: in this movie is fucking spectacular. Yeah, it has the

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Speaker 3: visuals of a rom com. It has the fashion, it

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Speaker 3: has the random big parties, it has.

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Speaker 5: You know, it is like.

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Speaker 3: An actual, real, real representation in a needed way, and

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Speaker 3: also has a very familiar rom coom plot.

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01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:58,679
Speaker 4: For sure, And it's one of the few rom coms

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01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:01,960
Speaker 4: it actually attempts jokes. I don't necessarily think all of

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01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 4: them land that well, but like I was laughing many times,

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01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:06,759
Speaker 4: there's calm.

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01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 5: There's calm.

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01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 4: There's calm in the rom com and so many wrong

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01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:12,600
Speaker 4: coms don't actually have calm, which has always bugged me.

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01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:16,120
Speaker 4: But yeah, there's there's jokes in this and I appreciate that.

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01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 1: And also it has the thing that I love the

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01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:21,840
Speaker 1: most in all calms of the wrong is the big

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01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:25,680
Speaker 1: embarrassing moment. So like when she gets caught letting do

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01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:27,919
Speaker 1: in Your Day, Cam's character have it in the windows

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01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:30,720
Speaker 1: open and they can all hear. That's one of the

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01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:32,719
Speaker 1: cornerstones of all good rom comes.

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01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:35,680
Speaker 3: You do, yes, you do need, uh that moment where

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01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:40,600
Speaker 3: everyone's like, pretty lady doing what scaring.

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01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:45,759
Speaker 4: In front of children and you're scaring the goats.

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Speaker 1: I did laugh.

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01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:48,000
Speaker 3: That was great.

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01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 1: That was funny.

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01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 4: But yeah, and again the thing about it not interrogating

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01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 4: capitalism at all and kind of just being like, yeah,

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01:26:57,320 --> 01:27:00,040
Speaker 4: the only way that they that it makes sense for

1562
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:03,599
Speaker 4: them to end up together is if the Marcus character

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01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 4: sort of embraces capitalism.

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01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:06,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So, I mean, yeah, when you put it that way.

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Speaker 4: I think I'll give the movie like three point seventy

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01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 4: five for somewhere around their nipples, and I will give

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Speaker 4: them to the goats at the party.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go I guess I'm gonna go thre I

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01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 3: think I'm gonna go three. I mean, for all the

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01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:36,680
Speaker 3: reasons you just described, Caitlin, I was so nervous to

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01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:38,760
Speaker 3: come into that. Thank you for being perceptive to be

1573
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:42,920
Speaker 3: really not rooting for this couple. But I do, I

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01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:45,559
Speaker 3: do agree. I mean, I obviously, I mean I'm I'm

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01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 3: not Asian American. I have I see myself in rom

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01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:53,160
Speaker 3: comms all the time. There's nothing, if not many white

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01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 3: women with brown hair and rom coms, and so I

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01:27:56,840 --> 01:28:00,599
Speaker 3: can't speak to the experience of feeling represented in this genre.

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01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:04,120
Speaker 3: And it was really cool reading through a lot of

1580
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:08,760
Speaker 3: the specifics of and also just how Ali Wong and

1581
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:12,080
Speaker 3: Randall Park really intentionally collaborated on that. I don't think

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01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 3: it's a coincidence that Nanatchka Khan had worked extensively with

1583
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:17,280
Speaker 3: both of them on Fresh Off the Boat, which is

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01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:19,479
Speaker 3: a show that has a very similar goal. And so

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01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 3: I think, like representationally, this movie is wonderful and takes

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01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 3: a lot of great steps forward. I do feel like

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01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 3: it's guilty of girl Boss feminism, which was so many

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01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:34,680
Speaker 3: things in twenty nineteen. So it's not a like this

1589
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:37,799
Speaker 3: movie is I think every so many attempts at feminism

1590
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:41,519
Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen had this Sheryl Sandbergie vibe to it.

1591
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:46,760
Speaker 3: But ultimately I'm dogging it for this couple does not

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01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:51,680
Speaker 3: belong together. I found the relationship very stressful, which is

1593
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:54,479
Speaker 3: me fully projecting as a woman that once moved to

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01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 3: Maine to try to make it work. So yeah, these

1595
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:01,639
Speaker 3: fictional people should learn form my mistakes and break up.

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01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:05,760
Speaker 4: I think more people should break up. I love breaking up,

1597
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:12,720
Speaker 4: normalize breaking up. People break up, please, Kia, how about you?

1598
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to also go three points eight five?

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01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:24,520
Speaker 4: Oh, I know, groundbreaking, groundbreaking, Kia, Yes.

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Speaker 1: I think so because I just like it and I

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01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:30,759
Speaker 1: know that they have all their issues, but I really

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01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:33,960
Speaker 1: hope they make it. And also one of the nipples

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01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give to the dad because I just think

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01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 1: I did appreciate that little friendship that they were like

1605
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 1: genuinely close, and he didn't do the thing where he

1606
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 1: pulled away after the mom died, because I hate that

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01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:47,960
Speaker 1: trop even more than I hate the dead mom Troke.

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01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:50,680
Speaker 5: I love his dance too, right, And so.

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01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:54,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to give another nipple to Michelle Bhutto because duh.

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01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:57,200
Speaker 1: And then my last nipple is going to be to

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01:29:57,320 --> 01:30:02,640
Speaker 1: the very quick scene where Ali Wong Sasha flashes herself.

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01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 1: So then so then so that you can see her

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01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:09,559
Speaker 1: bro I just think it's so funny and I like

1614
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:12,639
Speaker 1: cackled out loud. I just love it and I would

1615
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 1: love for them to work together again. And like again

1616
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:18,600
Speaker 1: Randall Park, it just like that's sexy. Just shifted so

1617
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 1: much for me in terms of how I view him,

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01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:24,360
Speaker 1: and so I see him now, I'm like, heyvid hair O, well.

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Speaker 4: Nice, well, Kia, thank you so much for joining us

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01:30:29,439 --> 01:30:33,080
Speaker 4: once again. Come back anytime. You're always welcome back.

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01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:34,599
Speaker 1: Please. I love it here.

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01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 4: What would you like to plug? Tell us where people

1623
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:38,760
Speaker 4: can follow you and find your work?

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Speaker 1: Okay, you can follow me on Instagram at Kia k

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Speaker 1: E A H Underscore, Maria m A R I A.

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Speaker 1: I'm also on Blue Sky at Kia Brown at Blue

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Speaker 1: Skot I don't shit. And if you're like on Facebook,

1628
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:57,639
Speaker 1: I don't know who is anymore, but I do still

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01:30:57,640 --> 01:31:01,760
Speaker 1: have a Facebook page and it's the Kia Brown. I'm

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01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:05,759
Speaker 1: currently writing what I hope will read, my fourth book,

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01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 1: Another Esthet. But you can always and please do purchase

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Speaker 1: any of the three books that I have out right now.

1633
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:16,640
Speaker 1: And if you want to be the al woe to

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Speaker 1: my to my Marcus, please buy all of the books

1635
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Speaker 1: and just keep buying them.

1636
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:27,760
Speaker 4: Buy so many copies of Kiya's books to show her

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01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:30,280
Speaker 4: that you love her exactly.

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Speaker 3: My mom has a copy of Sam's Super Seeds in

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01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 3: her classrooms.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that makes me so happy.

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01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:40,040
Speaker 3: Yes, so also, I mean it's predicalar I'm a fan

1642
01:31:40,120 --> 01:31:41,439
Speaker 3: of all of your work, But if you have a

1643
01:31:41,479 --> 01:31:44,120
Speaker 3: teacher in your life, get a copy of sam Super

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Speaker 3: Seeds for their classroom.

1645
01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:47,680
Speaker 1: Yes, it's a great book. I'm biased, but it's right.

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01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:49,920
Speaker 5: It's true, it's true, you're not wrong.

1647
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:55,960
Speaker 4: You can follow us at the place called Instagram if

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Speaker 4: you must, please do.

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Speaker 3: It's the only place we are so if not there,

1650
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 3: you're gonna have a hard time keep it up, so

1651
01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:06,400
Speaker 3: head over there. You can also join us on our

1652
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:10,240
Speaker 3: Patreon aka Matreon, and please do that too, where for

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Speaker 3: five dollars a month, you can get access to two

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Speaker 3: new episodes with Caitlin and myself doing a theam of

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Speaker 3: sometimes You're Choosing Sometimes ours. It's a very sort of

1656
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Speaker 3: like goofy looser version of our format. And you don't

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Speaker 3: only get access to those two new episodes a month,

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Speaker 3: you can access to a back catalog of nearly two

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Speaker 3: hundred episodes. So if you're running out of episodes on

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Speaker 3: the main feed. Guess what, there is an affordable way

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Speaker 3: to have that not be true anymore. And there's a

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Speaker 3: really fun community over there, and.

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Speaker 4: We love you. Yes, so thanks for listening, and you

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Speaker 4: listeners will always be our maybe babies.

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Speaker 3: Babies, I love you, babies, Bye bye bye.

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