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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, welcome to another episode of Legally Brunette. I

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Speaker 1: will be your host today Emily Simpson with my co

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Speaker 1: host Shane Shane. Okay, today we thought it was really

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Speaker 1: important to do, first of all and update in the

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Speaker 1: Menendez case. It is proceeding along actually very swiftly, and

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Speaker 1: it's been interesting because Gavin Newsom has now really gotten

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Speaker 1: involved in this case. First of all, you all know

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Speaker 1: that DA Nathan Hawkman is involved in the Menendez case

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Speaker 1: and in the resentencing, he reversed the course of his predecessor,

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Speaker 1: who was Gascon. He was a more progressive DA. He

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Speaker 1: was the one that was really pushing for the resentencing

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Speaker 1: of the Menendez brothers. But Hawkman came out and said

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Speaker 1: that he will only reconsider if the brothers apologize for

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Speaker 1: what he calls a litany of lies. So he was

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Speaker 1: interviewed and he told NBC News quote, if they go

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Speaker 1: ahead and sincerely and unequivocally for the first time in

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Speaker 1: thirty years layout that they have now lied on their

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Speaker 1: entire defense and finally admit that they killed their parents

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Speaker 1: in cold blood, then that will be a new insight

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Speaker 1: that the court should then reconsider what he is doing,

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Speaker 1: what Hawkman is doing is withdrawing the DA's support for

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Speaker 1: their recenencing, and he featured a list of sixteen unacknowledged

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Speaker 1: lies by the brothers. Now we'll get into some of

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Speaker 1: these sixteen lies that he's saying that they need to

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Speaker 1: basically come clean and fess up to before he would

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Speaker 1: even consider giving a recommendation that the judge should resentence them. Basically,

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Speaker 1: he's saying, I'm not supporting the resentencing at this point.

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Speaker 1: That was on Monday, March tenth.

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Speaker 2: So all so far. The only condition that he's adding

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Speaker 2: is that they confess to a cold blooded murder.

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Speaker 1: No, they did murder their passion.

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Speaker 2: She may not confess, but he wants them to apologize.

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Speaker 1: No, he said that. Basically, what he's done is he's

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Speaker 1: gone back and he's basically retrying them, which is not

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Speaker 1: what resentencing is about. This is where I think he's

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Speaker 1: completely off base and he's not understanding resentencing. Resentencing is

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Speaker 1: based on rehabilitation and where they are now and have

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Speaker 1: they learned their lessons and are they different.

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Speaker 2: People revisit them revisiting.

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Speaker 1: He's gone back and I feel like he's retrying them,

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Speaker 1: and he's saying, look in this first trial, there's these

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Speaker 1: sixteen lies. And before I'll even consider giving a recommendation

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Speaker 1: that you should be resentence, you need to go back

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Speaker 2: And literally the first trial or the second trial, it.

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Speaker 1: Was the first trial. But here's the thing. When they

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Speaker 1: were tried in the first trial, all of these lies

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Speaker 1: were testified to, they were cross examined on, the jury

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Speaker 1: heard them, and then the jury ended up being a

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Speaker 1: hung jury. So I don't think to me, those are

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Speaker 1: moot issues at this point. We've already tried these They

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Speaker 1: were also eighteen and twenty one at the time, so

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Speaker 1: we do have to consider that we're talking about thirty

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Speaker 1: five years prior. So next, this is on Monday, March tenth,

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Speaker 1: when Hawkman withdrew any type of support for their resentencing.

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Speaker 1: I think Newsom is playing chess with Hawkman, because then

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Speaker 1: the next day, on Tuesday, March eleventh, California Governor Gavin

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Speaker 1: Newsom dropped a breaking news on his new podcast, announcing

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Speaker 1: that Lyle and Eric will go in front of the

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Speaker 1: Parole Board on June thirteenth for a hearing. So what

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Speaker 1: he's ordered is a public risk assessment report to be

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Speaker 1: hearing on June thirteenth. So I feel like his pushing

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Speaker 1: Parole board was a direct response to Hawkman saying we

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Speaker 1: withdraw any support for the resentencing. I mean, you can

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Speaker 1: tell that to me. It's like like Gavin Newsom's playing

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Speaker 2: You know. It's kind of like the publicity with the

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Speaker 2: Netflix special and whatnot afforded them the opportunity the voice

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Speaker 2: where people wanted a resentencing or whatever and it kind

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Speaker 2: of resurfaced, right, So it gave him kind of that spotlight,

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Speaker 2: and it's also giving them the spotlight where now Gavin

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Speaker 2: Newsom and other people are like stepping in and everyone

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Speaker 1: And well, yeah, I mean, let's be honest, we're talking

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Speaker 1: about To me, it's a pr stot on both sides.

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Speaker 1: Because Hawkman likes to give news conferences all the time.

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Speaker 1: He clearly enjoys being in front of the camera, and

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Speaker 1: the way for him to get publicity in front of

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Speaker 1: So what's a better way for him to get views

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Speaker 1: than to announce that he that he's asked, you know,

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Speaker 1: but you know, what's also interesting is that they independently

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Speaker 1: have hearings on June thirteenth in front of the parole board,

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Speaker 1: which means that they're not being lumped together into like

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Speaker 1: one decision. It is normal, but I think for me,

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Speaker 1: even though that you've.

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Speaker 2: Seen them together all the time, so then it's like

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Speaker 2: you just assume that it's right. One of them is

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Speaker 2: a couple committing the crime, and so they should be

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Speaker 2: tried the same, and they're the same, and here they

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Speaker 2: are being separated, and then it runs the risk of

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Speaker 2: one being you know, getting a different result than the.

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Speaker 1: Other exactly well that that there's a potential for that

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Speaker 1: because they have independent parole hearings. Even though I do

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Speaker 1: know that they've had amazing prison records over the past

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Speaker 1: thirty five years. They've been heavily involved in lots of

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Speaker 1: things like green space where they're putting you know, they're

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Speaker 1: painting murals and creating green space in the prisons. They've

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Speaker 1: been involved in the hospice, and they've both academically excelled

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Speaker 1: and gotten degrees, and they've worked with, you know, other

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Speaker 1: victims of abuse. And they also claimed on a recent

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Speaker 1: podcast that they did with Garagos you know how Garaghos

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Speaker 1: and what's the guy's name from TMZ, Harvey Harvey Harvey Harvey,

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Speaker 1: because you know, because you watch TMZ all the time.

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Speaker 2: No, yes, you do.

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Speaker 1: You're the one that told me that TMZ stood for

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Speaker 1: a thirty mile zone.

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Speaker 2: What do I mean? I know? I wat?

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, you get TMZ, you get TMC alerts on

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Speaker 1: your phone.

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Speaker 2: I know this annoying.

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Speaker 1: Well that's what I'm saying, all right. Anyway, anyway, so

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Speaker 1: the brothers actually did an interview on their podcast recently

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Speaker 1: about all these things that they've done in prison. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: my whole point is the recencing comes down to rehabilitation.

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Speaker 1: And are they a different person than they were thirty

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Speaker 1: And we all know that their entire family supports them

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Speaker 1: being released and being recent So anyway, that's where we at.

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Speaker 1: So they still have also which is interesting because I'm

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Speaker 1: their resentencing hearing scheduled for March twentieth and the twenty first.

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Speaker 1: So I was actually chatting about it with Alex who

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Speaker 1: and she was saying, well, it hasn't been continued or

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Speaker 1: rescheduled or anything at this point. So basically what they

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Speaker 1: their prison record, the family and all of that stuff,

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Speaker 1: and then we'll see what happens on June thirteenth when

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Speaker 2: So basically, Menendez update is another stay tuned.

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Speaker 1: It is another stay tuned. But I think what's really

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Speaker 1: interesting is that Hawkman comes out and basically kills the

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Speaker 1: it's doomsday for him and then Gavin Newsom comes out

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Speaker 1: the next day and he's like, no, it's not Kevin

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Speaker 1: news Some just Granthum plenacy Commune. Yes he could, and

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Speaker 2: And then he should have him on his podcast. Exactly

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Speaker 2: wants the ratings there you go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's going to have to pay a lot for that, though,

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Speaker 1: I think they're not just going to go on a

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Speaker 1: little bit of the sixteen. Hawkman calls them the unacknowledged

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Speaker 1: lies that they have not admitted to, So let's just well,

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Speaker 1: we won't go through all of them, but let's just

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Speaker 1: go through some Eric and Lyle Liby.

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Speaker 2: Next question, so these lies are in the first trial,

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Speaker 2: not in the second. If in the first trial there

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Speaker 2: there were no lies, then why is he going back

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Speaker 2: to that like the first trial that got thrown out?

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Well, I think that's the whole point of he's

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Speaker 2: Or allows them to be released. He won't be able

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Speaker 2: to do any public speaking anymore.

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Speaker 1: No, he needs another famous case, cam up the.

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Speaker 2: Murders out.

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Speaker 1: They are staying in so that I can give weekly

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Speaker 1: press conferences. All right, he said, some of these lies

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Speaker 1: are Eric and Lyle lied when they claim that their

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Speaker 1: to act in self defense by murdering them. First, first

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Speaker 1: of all, their defense in their first trial was not

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Speaker 1: not exactly accurate. And imperfect self defense is a partial

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Speaker 1: defendant may claim imperfect self defense, which the brothers did,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, which is like, okay, you genuinely were in

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Speaker 1: Right and exactly, and this is what their defense was

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Speaker 2: And I feel that children always apply it a self defense,

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Speaker 2: and it's really an imperfect self defense. It's like, yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 2: you're scared, I get it, but you shouldn't be scared, right,

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Speaker 2: I get it. He hurt your feelings, so you hit him,

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Speaker 2: but you shouldn't have been hurt.

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Speaker 1: So you're just saying kids in general, their excuses are

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Speaker 1: always imperfect self defense. But they're eighteen and twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Are they still considered kids at this point?

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Speaker 2: I was just talking about our kids.

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Speaker 1: You were just talking about our children. Now, Okay, So

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Speaker 1: from now on, when Annabel argues with me, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to be like, that's an imperfect self is.

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Speaker 2: Going to mitigate your punishment. It's not going to alleviate

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Speaker 2: you from any We're just.

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Speaker 1: Raising little lawyers over here or defendants or that. So

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Speaker 1: is Annabel a defendant or a future lawyer, She's a

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Speaker 2: Ally Day always a.

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Speaker 1: Person of interest, all right. Another one is to support

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Speaker 2: But reasonable people don't even kill, so I arguably in

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Speaker 1: What about the now we know with sexual abuse, we

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Speaker 2: Then it's like, well, then why do you say all

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Speaker 2: Oh, they cover up the abuse, right because maybe embarrassment

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Speaker 1: Well, like we know that as a fact based upon

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Speaker 1: They also tried to get someone to lie and say

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Speaker 2: They thought that that was a better thing than saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: But this is when they're testifying, I believe. Yeah, when

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Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know, what do you mean, Well, he

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Speaker 2: It wasn't in his sleep. I don't think claimed that

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Speaker 1: And he sleeps with other women besides his wife. Right,

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Speaker 1: let me just give one thing. Lylman Does posted on

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, okay, you wanted to talk about the lies

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Speaker 2: Consider it? Consider everything.

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Speaker 2: Time will tell. We shall see, We.

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Speaker 1: Shall see what happens on March twentieth and twenty first,

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Speaker 2: What's the name of this podcast.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't have to have a creative name because he's

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Speaker 1: all right, let's get into this is interesting. Gene Hackman

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Speaker 1: So the new Mexico chief, let's.

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Speaker 2: Be honest, Emily always thinks that they're bigger conspiracy. I

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Speaker 2: But when it's like, oh, they have this rat disease

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Speaker 1: I would believe it more if they said Bigfoot broke

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Speaker 1: The new Mexico Chief Medical Examiner, Heather Durrell, held a

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Really, yeah last week when I was reading about

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Speaker 2: It's like it's like mice or road in droppings and

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Speaker 1: So apparently it's a rare flu like disease linked to rats.

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Speaker 1: It would make more sense to me. Yes, she probably

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Speaker 2: Help.

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Speaker 1: of exposure and the primary residence as low. It's similar

437
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 1: to other well maintained houses in New Mexico. I would

438
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 1: say everybody's house probably has some rat poop in it somewhere.

439
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 2: No.

440
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 1: No, no, well yeah there are there are No that's

441
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 1: dog poop. No, I'm not, No in our backyard Togo

442
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,880
Speaker 1: catches big rats all the time into the yard. Yeah,

443
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 1: but he catches it. They probably tunnel under the house,

444
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:49,640
Speaker 1: and they're probably in the ok.

445
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, So anyway, they were a little bit more remote

446
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 2: and less developed areas. Right, They're kind of in the

447
00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:00,199
Speaker 2: hillside or something like that. So I bet you she

448
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 2: never saw any treatment or went to an urgent care

449
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 2: doctor or anything.

450
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 1: Hackman also had late stage Alzheimer's disease, and he likely

451
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 1: died roughly a week after his wife from cardiovascular disease

452
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: and from the Alzheimer's and he tested negative for hantavirus.

453
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,679
Speaker 1: But cardiovascular disease isn't a heart attack.

454
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, what is it then? Is it just a weakness

455
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 2: in the heart or something?

456
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: I guess so, But you know what, this is what

457
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 1: I can't picture. So the wife dies nearly a week

458
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: before him, and she dies in the bathroom, And I

459
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: guess that would explain why the dog is in the

460
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:33,360
Speaker 1: crate and the bathroom.

461
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 2: The dog was in a crate because I thought they

462
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,360
Speaker 2: had the dog had a procedure, so they were protecting

463
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 2: the dog or securing it.

464
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 1: They were probably keeping the dog away from the other

465
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 1: two dogs.

466
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh yeah, there you go right, So then.

467
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: That makes sense why the dog died, because the dog

468
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 1: probably died.

469
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 2: Of starvation and unfortunately, right, So.

470
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: Gene Hackman dies nearly a week after her. But he's

471
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: ninety five and he has Alzheimer's, so he's just I

472
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 1: just pictured this man. Is he just wandering around the house?

473
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 2: Ye, sleeping maybe a lot. Maybe he has a route,

474
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 2: I don't know how it works. Maybe he has a routine,

475
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:04,959
Speaker 2: so he was kind of just going through whatever his

476
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 2: daily routine was.

477
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: Did he not notice I'm guessing why from the bathroom.

478
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 2: Well maybe he did, But what's he going to do?

479
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 2: He can't lift her up, and if he's not capable

480
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 2: of making phone calls or well, I don't know, I'm

481
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 2: just speculating.

482
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 1: Well that's another interesting thing. Was apparently he had no

483
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 1: cell phone because she remember I called her the gatekeeper

484
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: on an earlier episode that we did, because I apparently

485
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 1: if you wanted to speak to him or get a

486
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: hold of him, you had to call her cell phone.

487
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I don't know. I just picture

488
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 1: this old It's sad. I think this old man wandering

489
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 1: around this house.

490
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 2: Right, it's not the way he goes, but his.

491
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,479
Speaker 1: Wife is dead. He has daughters, but I don't know

492
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: it said something like, I think I read they were

493
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: kind of a strange hadn't spoken to him a month.

494
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,360
Speaker 1: It ends up being a maintenance worker or something that

495
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: ends up seeing them or coming to the house.

496
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 2: I think that's the end of that case. I know

497
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 2: you want more, well, I don't know.

498
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 1: We'll see, let's keep going. He was in a very

499
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 1: poor state of health, the medical examine said. He was

500
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: in an advanced state of Alzheimer's disease, and it was

501
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: quite possible that he did not know that she had

502
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 1: been deceased. The medical examiner noted noted also that Hackman

503
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: was not dehydrated at the time of his death, which

504
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: was likely on February eighteenth.

505
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that means he was caring for himself.

506
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: Well, yes, And February eighteenth was the day after his

507
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: last recorded pacemaker activity. That's how they kind of put

508
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 1: a timeline on what he did.

509
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 2: He may not have had a very good concept of time.

510
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 2: So if she fell and she's laying there, I don't

511
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 2: know if she was ever conscious. Let's say she fell

512
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 2: and she that was it, she was out, then maybe

513
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 2: he would go and check on her and then think

514
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 2: she was just dabbing or her and then and then

515
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 2: he didn't have a concept of time that had been

516
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 2: so long a week or whatever it was, you know

517
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like maybe to him it was just

518
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 2: a flash of time.

519
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: Well, it does say that the medical examiner said that

520
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: he did not have any food in his stomach when

521
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: when the performed.

522
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's too bad, all right.

523
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about hantavirus. People get hand

524
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: virus from contact with rodents like rats and mice, especially

525
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,719
Speaker 1: when exposed to their urine droppings and saliva. It can

526
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: also spread through a bier scratched by a rodent, but

527
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: this is very rare. Only eight hundred and sixty five

528
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 1: cases of the disease have been reported in the US

529
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: between nineteen ninety three and twenty twenty two, and apparently

530
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: now there's one in twenty five.

531
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 2: And I bet if I bet you that she wasn't

532
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 2: quick to go get medical care because one she'd have

533
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,199
Speaker 2: to take him. Yeah, that's probably a lot. And she

534
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 2: probably thought she'd just walk it off because she just

535
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 2: what flew like symptoms, right, and she didn't want to

536
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 2: go out in public, maybe with him but that's that's

537
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 2: the reason someone like him, who has the financial means

538
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: needs to have in home care, should have had in

539
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 2: home care. It's too bad. It's too bad.

540
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 1: Well it really is.

541
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 2: I mean, granted, he was ninety five, but she could

542
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 2: have She had a lot of life left to live.

543
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,479
Speaker 1: She did, and it makes me sad to think that

544
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 1: if someone had been checking in on them, or someone

545
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: was living with us, or they had an assistant or

546
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: a caretaker or someone, that all they had to do

547
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: was take her to the hospital, and I assumed she

548
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: could have recovered from it pretty treatment, pretty easily. So

549
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 1: the pills found near Betsy's body were thyroid medication that

550
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: had been prescribed to her and were not related to

551
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: her death. This is what the medical examiner said. All right,

552
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: The investigation will remain open as authorities still need to

553
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: tie up loose ends. The Santa Fe County Sheriff Aiden

554
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: Mendoza said this includes obtaining more data from Hackman and

555
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: Betsy's cell phones that could shed light on their locations

556
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: or other communications they had before they died. I mean,

557
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 1: this says cell phone, So does that mean that he

558
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:43,959
Speaker 1: does have a cell phone? I don't know, or if

559
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: he does. Maybe he doesn't know how to really use it.

560
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: Maybe he loses it, maybe he doesn't know where to

561
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: find it. Maybe that's why she's the one that you

562
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: always have to communicate with. I don't know. So investigators

563
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: are also awaiting, and then a cropsy results from the

564
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: couple's dog, Zenna, who was the dog that was found

565
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: dead in the crate and the bathroom near Betsy's body.

566
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: The couple's dog we talked about had undergone a medical

567
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: procedure on February ninth, which may explain why the dog

568
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: was in the crate, which we said the dog was

569
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: probably there in the house. The other two dogs were

570
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: found alive and had been able to go in and

571
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: out through and open. I guess there was a doggy door,

572
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: so those dogs.

573
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 2: So they were all three would have been okay, it

574
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 2: was really just because the dog was in the crazy Yeah.

575
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 1: And the dog probably starved.

576
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay.

577
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: So Gene Hackman has friends that are speaking out, and

578
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: some of their friends are saying that Hackman had tried

579
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: to stay active before his death decline. Friends of the

580
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: Oscar winning actor spoke to Fox News about how he

581
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: was focused on his health and was bothered by aging

582
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: before he died at ninety five. Stephen Marshall, an FBI

583
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: agent who trained the couple through a community outreach program,

584
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: told Fox News that Hackman was concerned about the fact

585
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: that he was getting older. He didn't like being old,

586
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: and seeing himself on film bothered him because he knew

587
00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: he didn't look like that anymore. That does have to

588
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: be sad. I was thinking about that myself when I

589
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: was watching I remember we talked about before. I was

590
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: watching The Poseidon Adventure with Luke. He looked so young

591
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: and vib he was looking guy.

592
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 2: He's tall, he's got a great like voice, like, he

593
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: comes off very strong.

594
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: And then when I saw the picture of him at

595
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: ninety five, that didn't even look like I couldn't you.

596
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have even known that was Gene Hackman.

597
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: No, No, no one would no.

598
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: So it has to be sad. Like that's sad.

599
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: That's what happens.

600
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: I know. I don't want to age. I don't know

601
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: how we figured it out. I don't know how we.

602
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to make a deal with the devil

603
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 2: or something.

604
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it has to be hard when

605
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: you're an actor like him. That has been in so

606
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: many movies.

607
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 2: He retired in six I know, but I'm just.

608
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: Saying, when your image has been memorialized for everyone to

609
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: look at, and you look so healthy and tan and

610
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: vibrant and straight.

611
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 2: Talking about yourself in thirty years from now.

612
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: I am, I'm like, man, I have been memorialized into

613
00:29:58,840 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: this show.

614
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 2: He's a good thing.

615
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: No, because I'm going to be like I'm going to

616
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: be like Gene Hackman ninety five years old.

617
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 2: You don't want me to playing in thirty years night.

618
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 2: You don't want me playing episodes of houses?

619
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: No, please don't. It's going to be very depressing for me.

620
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: So apparently his friends were saying that he always tried

621
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: to stay active and that he did plates like three

622
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: times a week, and he would ride his bike, load

623
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: up his bicycle in his suv and drive to Albuquerque

624
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: and ride on trails. But I don't know. I don't

625
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: know exactly the timeline because I feel like his health

626
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: has declined recently.

627
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: So I sure Snowballs could have been exponential. Yeah, so

628
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 2: maybe like these friends six months ago knew of his activity,

629
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 2: but in the last six months he declined, they weren' updated, right,

630
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 2: So I was making that up right.

631
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: While speaking to The New York Times, Tom Allen, who

632
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: had been friends with Hackman for around twenty years, insisted

633
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: the star seemed happy to have his wife run things

634
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: and take care of him. She was very protective of him,

635
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: this friend told the Alet, adding that Hackman had said

636
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: he probably would have tied long ago without the care

637
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: of his beloved wife, who looked after him and made

638
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: sure he had a healthy diet. Alan also said that

639
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,479
Speaker 1: Betsy would serve as something of a gatekeeper for her

640
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: husband and would often set up golf games or meetings

641
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: for the two friends. I don't know, See, I always

642
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: wonder about that. Is she really all that one concerned

643
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: about his health and his well being and that's why

644
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: she controls everything? Or is she just controlling because she

645
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: likes to control him and not And she only allows

646
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: him to go golfing with his friends when she sets

647
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: it up. She only allows him to talk to his

648
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: kids when she lets him talk to his kids.

649
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 2: The world will never know.

650
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: The world will never know. But I, you know, I

651
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: don't know about Betsy. So who will inherit gene Hackman's

652
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: multi million dollar fortune?

653
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 2: Well, if he has a will that's what that will dictate. Otherwise,

654
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: it'll probably go to his children.

655
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: Geane and Betsy had no children together, so betsy'says state

656
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: will likely go to her relatives. However, Jane was a

657
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Speaker 1: father from his marriage to Faye Maltice and leaves behind

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Speaker 1: Christopher who is sixty five, Elizabeth who is sixty three,

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Speaker 1: and Leslie who is fifty eight.

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Speaker 2: Do they have a pre nup?

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Speaker 1: Okay? I would bet there's no prenup because Betsy does

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Speaker 1: not seem like the type of woman that would have

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Speaker 1: a prenup. She's running the show. You think Betsy signed

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Speaker 1: a prenup? Absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: She's like, I'm thirty years younger, babe, Yeah, if you

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Speaker 2: want me, There's no prenup. No.

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Speaker 1: The details of who will inherit Jean's estate have not

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Speaker 1: been shared publicly, but according to the Wealth Advisor, it

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Speaker 1: will likely go to his children. But here's the thing

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Speaker 1: I thought was interesting, and this is just me being

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Speaker 1: a conspiracy theorist again, is that his children would not

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Speaker 1: have inherited his estate unless Betsy died too.

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Speaker 2: Well, as couples die at the same time and they

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Speaker 2: both have their own offspring right or their own wills.

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Speaker 2: What do you do, because usually wills will say, if

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Speaker 2: I die, everything to my wife. If I die, everything

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Speaker 2: to my husband. So what happens when they both died

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Speaker 2: at the same time, like a plane crash, Well.

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Speaker 1: Revert, don't talk about plane crashes. It reverts to children.

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Speaker 2: Okay, like a suicide bomber? Is that better? Yes? Thank you?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I just think it's interesting. Well, if Jean died, just

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Speaker 1: Jane and not Betsy, then the estate would have gone

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Speaker 1: to Betsy unless he had a will overriding that it

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Speaker 1: went to Betsy, right, unless he left everything to his children.

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Speaker 1: But there's no way that would happen. Betsy would not

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Speaker 1: let that happen. But come in.

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Speaker 2: Betsy's going to come in and say, no, Jeene Hackman

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Speaker 2: died first, and everything should go to his wife. Assuming

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Speaker 2: there's no other overwriting documents. Everything should go to his wife.

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Speaker 2: And then therefore they should come to me, the son

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Speaker 2: of Betsy.

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Speaker 1: Betsy has no children.

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Speaker 2: Oh, she doesn't have any children. Well should I be

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Speaker 2: paying attention?

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Speaker 1: Yes, you should be.

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Speaker 2: Betsy has no children, yeah, but she has then you

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Speaker 2: go up right to the parents or whoever.

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Speaker 1: The estate would have gone to Betsy. But Betsy died too,

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Speaker 1: So now the estate's going to go to his children,

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00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: most likely, unless there's some will out there that he

702
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: has written that we don't know about that somebody finds anyway. Supposedly,

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Speaker 1: Gene Hackman has one of the biggest royalty streams of Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: I was about to say, I don't think he was

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Speaker 1: worth that much, causing people to speculate that perhaps it

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00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 1: was a murder and cover up.

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00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: Like Emily. This is Emily's notes.

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Speaker 1: These are mine down.

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Speaker 2: Here, Bigot, one of the royalties.

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Speaker 1: It was the Aliens. How likely is it that both

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Speaker 1: he and his wife died of natural causes? It is

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Speaker 1: not likely. I'm sorry, there's more to the story. Jean's

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Speaker 1: property was located just fifty miles away from Zoro Ranch,

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Speaker 1: which is one of Epstein's residences. There is no evidence

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Speaker 1: that he was linked to Jeffrey Epstein in anyway, so

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Speaker 1: this could just be a coincidence. However, listen to this.

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Speaker 1: Are you ready? This is Bill Gates. Private jets stopped

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Speaker 1: in New Mexico the same day they found Ackman's body.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure lots of jets landed on that same day.

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Speaker 1: Not in New Mexico. Really, not the same day that

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Speaker 1: they found Gene Hackman's body.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, you didn't.

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Speaker 1: This is this is the conspiracy theorist stuff that I

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Speaker 1: always find that I like. Was Hakman going to spill

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Speaker 1: all of Hollywood secrets at his old age to receive

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Speaker 1: some sort of repentance?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: We shall see, stay tuned. I like the conspiracy theory,

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00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: so we.

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Speaker 2: Shall not see he's dead.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm saying, maybe they find a will. There could

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Speaker 1: be more information that comes out, or people could come

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Speaker 1: forward and say that they were involved in this murder plot,

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Speaker 1: alleged murder plot. Bruce Willis's wife urges support for caregivers

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Speaker 1: amid Gene Hackman's death. That was a USA Today article.

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Speaker 1: So basically, this is Bruce Willis's wife, and you know

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Speaker 1: he has dementia, So she's saying all of the burden

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Speaker 1: of taking care of Gene Hackman shouldn't have been put

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Speaker 1: on Betsy, even though I still think Betsy wanted to

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Speaker 1: be the only caretaker. But that's just my theory. But

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Speaker 1: basically saying or advocating that Betsy needed someone looking in

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Speaker 1: on them, that there should have been someone that came daily,

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Speaker 1: that there should have been someone that lived with them,

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Speaker 1: that you know. And I don't know about the children.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know that relationship. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if they were strange. I don't know if it

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Speaker 1: was normal for them to only talk to their dad

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Speaker 1: or something.

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Speaker 2: Their sixties. I mean they do have a different I

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Speaker 2: mean their kids are checking on them, right, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: All right, anyway, so the world will never no. I

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00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: want the world should know. I want the world should know.

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Speaker 2: The world would never know.

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Speaker 1: All right. Well, anyway, we're apparently Shane and I are

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Speaker 1: watching Crimson Tide tonight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good.

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Speaker 1: So we'll give you a movie review on the next podcast,

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Speaker 1: so it will be legal topics and movie reviews. Thank

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Speaker 1: you everyone for listening to Legally Brunette. We appreciate it

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Speaker 1: as always, and if there are any cases out there

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Speaker 1: that you would like for us to discuss and talk about,

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Speaker 1: please feel free to dm us and let us know. Also,

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Speaker 1: next podcast, we plan on going through the Ruby Frankie case,

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Speaker 1: which Shane is reluctant to talk about.

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Speaker 2: It hurts me. Is it Netflix or Hulu?

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Speaker 1: I believe it's on Hulu, So if you haven't watched it.

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Speaker 1: You can watch it. The reason that I think it's

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Speaker 1: interesting that Shane and I discuss it, even though he

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Speaker 1: does not like to talk about anything that has to

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00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: do with child abuse, is that there's other elements. There

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Speaker 1: is the Mormon religion, there is parenting, and there is YouTube,

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Speaker 1: there's the vlogging issue, and then there's also the legality

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Speaker 1: of the child abuse and all of that. So I

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Speaker 1: think there's a lot of really interesting topics that he

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Speaker 1: and I can discuss. So anyway, thank you again for listening.

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Speaker 1: Please tune in to our previous Legally Brunette episodes and

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Speaker 1: our future ones.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all of them. Just listen to all of it.

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Speaker 2: Yess