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Speaker 2: Within the farmer space, Novo Nordisk the eight rs American

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Speaker 2: fifth day, losing about sixteen percent today, and this is

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Speaker 2: after its next generation obesity shot Cagri Semma delivered less

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Speaker 2: weight loss than Eli Lilly's rival treatment. Let's bring in

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Speaker 2: Sam Fazzelli. He is our director of research for Global

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Speaker 2: Industries and senior pharmaceutils analysts on what's happening here, and Sam,

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Speaker 2: I mean, we've been keeping a close eye on Noah

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Speaker 2: but it appears that it has really fallen behind Eli

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Speaker 3: Well, the trial was set up Scarlett to test one

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Speaker 3: You know, when they start these trials, I have hypothesis,

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Speaker 2: Domino's Pizza DPZ is the ticker moving higher today. The

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Speaker 4: restaurant business. Mike Kaitlin covers the restaurants for Bloomberg Intelligence.

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Speaker 4: All right, very good, Mary Ross Gilbert, thank you so

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Speaker 5: Mary ros Gilbert.

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Speaker 4: She's a senior ecodanaly she covers the retail space for

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Speaker 4: Bloomberg Intelligence, and she's located out there in La California office.

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Speaker 4: Friday, we had the Supreme Court strike down some of

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Speaker 4: President Trump's reciprocal tires. We've got some new ones. They're

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Speaker 5: Are these things going to be litigated? I have no idea.

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Speaker 4: Holly from she's a Bloomberg Intelligence litigation analyst. Holly, thanks

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Speaker 4: much for joining us here. We had the Supreme Court

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Speaker 8: So what's left to be litigated probably is what happens

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Speaker 8: doesn't affect the tariffs that Trump imposed via Section two

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Speaker 2: Okay, So that's that's where it stands. Well on the

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Speaker 8: So the dominimus exemption is not necessarily affected. It's an exemption.

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Speaker 8: Want to see what he like what you said, We

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Speaker 8: So the challenges will be harder to the new terriffs

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Speaker 2: All right, good stuff. Holly from Thank You So Much,

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Speaker 2: Bloomberg Intelligence litigation analysts on how President Trump's fifteen percent

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Speaker 2: a lot of work to get a temporary terror Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And I guess my question I asking a lot of folks,

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Speaker 4: particularly on the political side, like Henrietta Trees. Clearly, this

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Speaker 4: is pulling tariffs in general, is pulling very poorly. Affordability

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Speaker 4: broadly defined, is polling as a very key issue. It's

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Speaker 4: almost mind bogging that the president continues to double down

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Speaker 4: and triple down on this whole terrorf issue. But it

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Speaker 4: is certainly key to his trade policy, to parts of

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Speaker 4: his economic policy.

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Speaker 2: His geopolitical policy.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 5: But I would just if I were his advisor.

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Speaker 4: I'm saying, but it's coming at a big cost, mister President,

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Speaker 4: in terms of and we've got the midterm elections coming up,

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Speaker 4: and we've got some people that are nervous. But I'm

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Speaker 4: sure those discussions are being had.

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Speaker 2: But well, he's the second term president, so maybe it's

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Speaker 5: Exactly right.

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