1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Yah. 2 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as 3 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: always so much for tuning in. Let's give it up 4 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: for the Man, the myth Legend our super producer, Mr 5 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: Max Williams. I'm Ben Noel. We uh we had a 6 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: reference in part one of our series on the inspiration 7 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: behind Moby Dick to whaling songs, and I was thinking, 8 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: I listened to one We're on a quick break here, 9 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: and uh, I gotta say, man, I just love him. 10 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: I love a good chanty. Well it's like, oh, you 11 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:03,639 Speaker 1: mean way saling songs or whale songs? Whaling songs and 12 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: whale songs, some good shanty. Remember that moment cea shanties 13 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: was big. I missed it entirely. I only heard about 14 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 1: it like second hand. I did not participate in that 15 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: internet moment one iota. Do you guys know the story 16 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: of Stan Hugill regaleless. It's been one I've been wanted 17 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: to tell. I want to do an ephemeral episode about him, 18 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: but the problem is it's so hard to find enough 19 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: information about it. But he was known by a lot 20 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: of people. It's like the last shanty man. He lived too, 21 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 1: like the ninety nineties, but he had served on like 22 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: long see expeditions look at the nineteen thirties and what 23 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: he kind of like the force I to do is 24 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,199 Speaker 1: sit down, right down all the shanties that were singing, 25 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: because a lot of that was his oral history. So 26 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: a lot of the shanties we have today are attributed 27 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: to him. Interesting. Yeah, I'm just I'm I'm looking in 28 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: a cursory biography right now. Wow, the twentieth century guardian 29 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: of the shanty tradition. Yeah, maybe we should, maybe we 30 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: should look into stand and scratch our shanty itch. I'm 31 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,519 Speaker 1: actually working on a tune with a friend of the show, 32 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: Rowan Newby Um working on the record with him, and 33 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: it's a very c shanty escue's done cool, and it's 34 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: one that makes you want to take your elbow and 35 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: fist and just wiggle it back with like a mug 36 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: of some sort. I guess that's what that represents it. Yeah, Yeah, 37 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: and we are going to talk. Uh, We're gonna talk 38 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: about the other side of the equation in the world 39 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: changing novel Moby Dick and Moby Dick. If you've ever 40 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: been forced to read into high school, or if you 41 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 1: ever took a class on Melville, you'll know that he 42 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: wrote plenty of other stuff. But Moby Dick is far 43 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: and away his his magnum opus, and it is about 44 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: so many things as symbol as on so many levels 45 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: with Captain ahabs monomaniacal search for the white Whale. In 46 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: part one, we learned that Moby Dick is based on 47 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: the tragic story of a real life well named Mocha Dick. 48 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: But as we're gonna learn today, the story of the 49 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: crew is also very much inspired by the real life 50 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: or deals of cruise on whaling ships, especially one in particular, 51 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: the Essex and uh, the the the the Essex did 52 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: not have a good time. So and you know, and 53 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: these were this is a hard life in generals. I 54 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: mean a lot of these folks didn't have a good time. There. 55 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: There were diseases, There were you know, squalls and all 56 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: of that stuff, and horrible conditions that would lead to 57 00:03:56,040 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: a very tenuous existence, not to mention giant creatures that 58 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: you were trying to kill that would also maybe try 59 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: to kill you back. And Moby Dick, the novel by Melville, 60 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: definitely took that tack in terms of Captain Ahab, who 61 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: had had his I believe leg amputated because of an 62 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: encounter with moby Dick, And so it was a Hab 63 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: seeking revenge on the whale, so almost like justified. But 64 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: then also, I haven't read the book in a long time, 65 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: and Ben, I believe you read it recently. The mania 66 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: that accompanies the search for revenge is also a big 67 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: part of the story, so it's not like a Hab 68 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: is justified per se in his quest to kill the whale. Yeah, exactly. 69 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 1: So whaling ships are working ships at this time, meaning 70 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: that you know, they only really make money if they 71 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: successfully kill and process a whale. And you're absolutely right 72 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: about Ahab's leg. So moby Dick, on a previous voice, 73 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: has bitten off one of Ahab's legs and now he 74 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: wears a prosthetic leg made out of whalebone. And the 75 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: the hapless crew of the pick Quad the ship ends 76 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: up not just going on a whaling mission, but going 77 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: like being led by this madman to hunt suicide mission 78 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: this yeah, this specific whale and they and it takes 79 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: a long time to get there. But when Ahab finally 80 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: cites moby Dick again, he goes absolutely crazy and suicide 81 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: mission is an appropriate way to say it. It's Shakespearean 82 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: in the level of of drama here, and the members 83 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: of the crew gradually kind of realized that that's part 84 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: of it too. You know, call me Ishmael, the perspective character, 85 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: you know, who's like narrating the book. You start to 86 00:05:55,920 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 1: realize there's something off with this Ahab fellow, that we're 87 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: not actually on our run of the mill whaling expedition. 88 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: We're on a potential encounter with death. I mean the 89 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: white whale. You know. People use that as a metaphor 90 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: all the time for the thing that you can never 91 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 1: attain or the thing that you're like chasing after. But 92 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: in the book, I think it kind of represents death. 93 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 1: It represents death, it represents God, represents nature, it's it 94 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 1: represents almost every important, implacable thing. And there's there's really 95 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: now my college professor's dam is coming back. Uh, there's 96 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: a really there's an interesting thing that's almost a I 97 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: think a blink in you miss it kind of aspect 98 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: of Ahab's life for a lot of first time readers, 99 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: which is Ahab has insanity in his family. It runs 100 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: through his family. His mother has intense mental issues and 101 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 1: she's widowed. H and she names she names her Sunday 102 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: have she dies when he's well. And the name Ahab 103 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 1: means uh father's brother. It comes from Hebrew anyway, So 104 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: Ahab as this Chab was a king of Israel, if 105 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, right, Yeah, he has this um he 106 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: he has this whole wild backstory that involves uh cannibalism 107 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: and involves strange almost love crafty and adventures in the 108 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: deep before Lovecraft is really you know, on the scene. 109 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: So where does this all come from? Does it come 110 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: all come from the brilliant mind of Herman Melville? Yes, 111 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: but he didn't he didn't make all these details up 112 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: the Essex as far as Melville knows, Uh. Their trouble 113 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: on this this real life ship begins in mid August, 114 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: August fourteenth of eighteen nineteen, just two days after they 115 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: leave Nantucket. There. Now, when you go out on a 116 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: whaling voyage, you're looking at a long term commitment. This 117 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: this stretch, this mission is supposed to last two and 118 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: a half years, right, I mean it was the equivalent 119 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: of space travel back then. Yeah, Yeah, that's a perfect comparison. 120 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: And the ship is pretty big, it's eighty seven ft long. 121 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: But just two days after they leave, they get hit 122 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: by a squall that destroys one of their sales. The 123 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: top gallant sail nearly sinks the boat, which is a 124 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: lot like um, it's similar to like, uh, spraining your 125 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: ankle when you're about six yards into the marathon. They 126 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: have so much a move, not a good move at all, 127 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: but they have so much money invested in this stuff 128 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: that they soldier on and they continue. They make it 129 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: to Cape Horn about five weeks later. There's a crew 130 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: of one tea men and when they get to South America, 131 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: they find the waters around the area are nearly fished out, depleted. 132 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: So they say, okay, we're going to sail out to 133 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere. We're going to sail all the 134 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: way to the South Pacific, very far from any terrestrial shores. 135 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: We're gonna anchor at Charles Island in the Galapagos. And 136 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: when they anchor there, this is gonna be very unpleasant 137 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: for a lot of fellow animal lovers in the crowd. Today. 138 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: They you know, they weren't concerned about biodiversity or anything 139 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 1: like that at this time, so they collect sixty one 140 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: pound tortoises, and uh, these guys are still you know, 141 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: any time you're hanging out with a bunch of dudes, 142 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 1: doesn't matter the age, you get up to hijinks. Because 143 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: we're we we were fooling right, right, were prankish sort 144 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: And as prank one of the crew members sets a 145 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 1: fire on the island, even though it's a the dry season. 146 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: The fire spreads all these men who are under the 147 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: command of one Captain Pollard. All of them escape, but 148 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: just barely. They have to literally run through flames, and 149 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: a day after, after a full day of sailing, they 150 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: can still see smoke from this burning island on the horizon. 151 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 1: So they absolutely wrecked the place. This also, by the way, 152 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: wasn't that far removed from Charles Darwin's expedition to the 153 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: Galapagos on the Beagle, I think is what it was called, 154 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,839 Speaker 1: the little ship that he used. That was in eighteen 155 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 1: thirty six. So like we were gonna we were about 156 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: to get an explosion of knowledge about these types of 157 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 1: creatures and their origins, you know, But but this wasn't 158 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: This was pre Darwin, so there definitely wasn't the same. Again, 159 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: I just I mentioned that in the last episode, the 160 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: same level of understanding of these types of creatures. Yeah, yeah, 161 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: well said not at all, Like these are not scientists, 162 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: these are working mariners. And the captain is a smart guy. 163 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: He is furious. He's saying, oh, you think you're you're funny, 164 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: you set fire to an entire island. In the picture 165 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: Captain Pollard strolling back and forth, marching on the deck 166 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: of the ship, and he's saying, I swear vengeance if 167 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: I find out which one of you started that fire. 168 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: And then it seems like a pretty bone headed move, 169 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: even just you know, minus any scientific understanding of like 170 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: ecosystems and all that just kind of stupid in terms 171 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: of like, these are your potential resources that you could 172 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: used for survival and you're just gonna like set it 173 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: all on fire. What a dumb dumb That sounds like 174 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: someone trying to sabotage the mission. Frankly, Yeah, you know what, 175 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: it's it's so incompetent that you have to wonder whether 176 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: there was malice involved. If you fast forward, just as 177 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: a side note, years and years later, you'll see that 178 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: Charles Island was still a blackened wasteland and to this 179 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: very day. That fire, that prank is believed to have 180 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: been the primary cause of the extinction of two different 181 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: types of animal, the Floriana tortoise and the florian a 182 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: mocking bird, all because some guy thought he was funny 183 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: and isn't that interesting? Um. Charles Darwin, we also talked 184 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: about on Ridiculous History, was a big fan of eating 185 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: all of the animals that he cataloged, So it's almost 186 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 1: like he didn't fully understand the concept of extinction either, 187 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: even though he was doing things that would lead to 188 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: help us understand that. He was kind of blissfully ignorant 189 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: of it at the time when he did his like 190 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: big work. Yeah, yeah, and this is you know, if 191 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: you talked to the average I guess European um, European 192 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: American back in that day, they biodiversity would have been 193 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,839 Speaker 1: somewhat of a foreign concept to them. They would say, 194 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: what do you mean, look around, there are animals everywhere. 195 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 1: You're being weird. You're a weird dude. Over on stuff 196 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: to blow your mind. They just did a series on 197 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: the galopicos reptiles, and they talk about the turtles, of course, 198 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: and part of Darwin's writing he talks about trying to 199 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: ride the turtles. So I just want to throw that 200 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: in here to point out yeah that yeah exactly, and 201 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: this is um So people are still learning a lot, 202 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: but they're coming into these new for them environments with 203 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: very specific sets of aims. They're not here to learn 204 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: about the world. They're here to make a buck, right 205 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: and to find a precious resource in their respective economies. Still, 206 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: they sold drawn. It's November of eighty They've had a 207 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: pretty prosperous voyage. There are thousands of miles from land. 208 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: They're sending out whale boats that have successfully harpooned whales 209 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: and uh, they're being dragged along in what the what 210 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: was popularly called a Nantucket sleigh ride. Because you're you're dragged, 211 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: you're literally dragging the corpse of the whale behind you. 212 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: This is where we introduce a kid named owen Chase. 213 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: Owen Chase is the first mate. He's twenty three years old. 214 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: He stayed about aboard the mothership, the Essex to make 215 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: repairs while Captain Pollard goes whaling. And this kid, owen Chase, 216 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: is the first to spot a huge whale. He thinks 217 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: it's eighty five ft in length. And again for comparison, 218 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: the Essex is what seven feet or so? Right, Yeah, 219 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: there evenly matched if if if not in favor of 220 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: the whale in terms of size. So then he sees 221 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: this whale in the distance, being chill, just doing its thing. 222 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: Its head is facing in the direction of the ship. 223 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: It spouts out of its blowhole, you know, around three times, 224 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: and then starts making a B line or a W 225 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: line you know, for the ship. Yeah, and the phrase 226 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: they use is uh coming for us with great celerity. 227 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: Celerity is just a fancy word for speed. So it's 228 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: going from zero to a hundred real quick and smashes 229 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: head on into the ship. It gives them like a 230 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: moment in the Star trek Bridge where all the actors 231 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: throw themselves around, but this is real life. There's not 232 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: a sound stage. Then the whale passes beneath the Essex 233 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: and starts thrashing in the water. And oh, and Chase 234 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: recalls and again this is something he's talking about later, 235 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: so we don't know how much he's embellishing this, but 236 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: he says, I could distinctly see the whale smite his 237 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: jaws together, as if distracted with rage and fury and 238 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: then the whale guys are so say style disappears, which 239 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: somehow is even scarier. It's super scary. And I think 240 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: I've mentioned, maybe not on this show, but on stuff 241 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: that I want you to know that I often have 242 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: nightmares where I'm floating in a vast sea and there 243 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: is some unseen, massive creature, you know, beneath the waters. 244 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: And I know that that whales are gentle and that 245 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: they wouldn't typically like come for me if I wasn't, 246 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: you know, poking at them or something. But with the scale, 247 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: there was nothing that nothing, no poke that I could 248 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: possibly poke that would you know, exacerbate something of that magnitude. 249 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: But the massiveness, the unseen nous of a huge thing 250 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: freaks me out. And um, the Jordan Peel film Nope 251 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 1: does a really good job of flipping that from like 252 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: the Jaws underwater fear to like the sky and you 253 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: have this creature and the Nope that hides kind of 254 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: in plain sight but also in the sky. And I 255 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: thought that was a really brilliant touch to that film. 256 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 1: Is so great. Yeah, such a fan boy for Jordan 257 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: Peel in my head. He can do no wrong. Yes, 258 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: so this this thing is crazy right, They've got this 259 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: crazy situation out of nowhere in their minds. They get blasted, 260 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: But keep in mind, whales are very intelligent, and this 261 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: whale has sat there and watched them do those nantucket 262 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: sleigh rides across the open ocean. So sleigh l a 263 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: y just so yeah and so so oh n. Chase 264 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: Uh is with the rest of the crew trying to 265 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: fix the hole in the ship that's left over. They're 266 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: trying to pump out the water, and then one guy, 267 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: one guy says, oh, here he is. He's making for 268 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: us again. And then Chase turns and he sees the 269 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: whale who's going so fast that his head is half 270 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: out of the water. He's coming even faster with greater celerity. 271 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: He hits the bow of the ship directly and then 272 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: disappears for good. And the water is filling filling the 273 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: ship so quickly that the crew makes the decision game time. 274 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: They call the audible and say, oh, this is this 275 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: is beyond our means to fix. Maybe, so they get 276 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: all their boats that they would use for whaling turn 277 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 1: into lifeboats. They fill them with navigational instruments, get as 278 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 1: much bread and most importantly water as they can aboard 279 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: before the Essex turns on its side. Meanwhile, our boy, 280 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: Captain Pollard is off on a whaling ship and he 281 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: sees this in a distance. He comes back and the 282 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: Essex is ruined. So he asked this twenty three year old. 283 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: He goes, my god, Mr Chase, what is the matter, 284 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 1: to which Mr Chase answered, we have been stove by 285 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: a whale. Oh stove. I don't know that one, y'all. Yeah, 286 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: stove as a in this sense means like smashed through, 287 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 1: like like smashed inward. God, I just I just don't. 288 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: I can't think of any analog to that word that use. Yeah, 289 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 1: it's it's it's kind of specific. It's like um, in 290 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: a really in a really violent action film, if someone 291 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: punches somebody in the stern um enough that you hear 292 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: the crack and it goes in, then they have stove 293 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: their chest caved in their chest. There, we have been 294 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: stove by a whale. Uh and at this point's they well? 295 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:58,959 Speaker 1: Have they? So? Are they already on their lifeboats at 296 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: this point? And they haven't count turn the captain or yes? Yes, 297 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 1: because because the ship is wrecked, like they're yeah, and 298 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 1: and we you mentioned those provisions they brought along and 299 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: at this point there they've also been wrecked because they've 300 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: been soaked with salt water. And I can't remember who 301 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: said this, it was some great poet I thing. But 302 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: the idea of water, water everywhere, and not a drop 303 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: to drink because you're in this you know, vast body 304 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: of water, it's such cruel irony. Um. But it's water 305 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: that you can't drink. It's not potable water, yeah, exactly, 306 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 1: And that's maddening. And as you know, if you're in 307 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: a survival situation, you can go much longer without food 308 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: than you can't without water. You will die within days. Uh. 309 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 1: So this is a terrible, terrible situation. It's like in 310 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: a sitcom where the parents leave and they come back 311 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: and the house is burning down. But again it's real life. 312 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: Uh and borderline trigger warning here. We're about to get 313 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: into some think about the worst possible way this story 314 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: could go, and it's probably gonna go there, and we've 315 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 1: teased it a little bit. But if you don't want 316 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: to hear about humanity and its absolute Nader, maybe skip 317 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: ahead five minutes. And that's Nader in a d I R. 318 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: The opposite of Apex the lowest possible point. Not Ralph Nader, 319 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: but it would be funny to see what he said here. Anyway, 320 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: Ralph is not in the game yet. Uh this there's 321 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: another boat, another whaling boat that comes pie as well. 322 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: They come back to their ship that like no longer exists, 323 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 1: and they have no and Chase, the first mate, is thinking, 324 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: these guys have no idea how bad things are and 325 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: how much worse they're about to get. The crew, which 326 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: again is only twenty men, is at first unwilling to 327 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: leave the Essex. They just can't process that the ship 328 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,120 Speaker 1: is on the way out. Paulard does what captains are 329 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: supposed to do, maintain calm, make decisions, maintain command, and 330 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: he tries to come up with a plan. So he 331 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: does some quick, very desperate math. He's thinking, all right, 332 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 1: we got three boats. Yeah, we've got three boats left. 333 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: We've got twenty people. The closest land is gonna be 334 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: the Society Islands and the Marquesas Islands, so let's set 335 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: off for them. But this is where things start to 336 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,959 Speaker 1: go even further off the rails. The first mate, oh, 337 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: and Chase and the crew say, Captain, we can't go there. 338 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: We've all heard the stories. Those islands are full of cannibals. 339 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: They'll eat us. Our best chance to survive is gonna 340 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: be to sail south. Now, look, it will take us 341 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: a lot longer to get to land, we understand that. 342 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: But we might catch the trade winds, or maybe another 343 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: whaling ship will catch us. According to Nathaniel Philbrick in 344 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: his book Heart of the Sea, the Tragedy of the 345 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: well Ship Essex spoiler, we're not to the tragedy yet. 346 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 1: There was a film based on that book because it 347 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: was called in the Heart of the Sea, and it 348 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,199 Speaker 1: was it looked it had a Chris Hemsworth in it, 349 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: played thour. I think it's not it's a Moby dick 350 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: esque story, but it's not Moby Dick. But it's called 351 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 1: I believe in the Heart of the Sea. I have 352 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: to assume that it's based on this this work here, 353 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: and you must be right. And I you know, I 354 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 1: eat these stories up, I love them, but I would 355 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: never want to experience what we're about to get into. 356 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: Please do take that earlier disclaimers seriously. Only Captain Pollard 357 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: seems to understand the danger of not trying to get 358 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: to the closest land mass, and he still, I guess, 359 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 1: in a moment of weakness a sense, and says, all right, okay, 360 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 1: we'll try to go south. Then I see, you guys 361 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 1: are scared of cannibals. And he probably did some even 362 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: more desperate math if we're being honest, and he said, 363 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: look in times like this, and I still really a captain, 364 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: only nominally, I'm one man among twenty. And this is 365 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: how mutinies go down, right, No doubt things could turn 366 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 1: against him real quick if he doesn't play his cards right, 367 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, And so here's the other thing that 368 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: the author of In the Heart of the Sea noted 369 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 1: noted here, uh, rumors of cannibalism about those islands were 370 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: all over the place. But the truth is people have 371 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: been visiting them all the time without incident, not even 372 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: being attacked, much less eaten. Anyway, they don't know this, 373 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: they don't have access to this information. So they leave 374 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: the Essex behind. And the three boats they have are 375 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: twenty ft long each, So that's still pretty crowded if 376 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: you think of twenty men and all the supplies twenty 377 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: men would need. It's terrible, Like you said, Nold, salt 378 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: Water has saturated the bread, and so as these guys 379 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: are eating the bread, they're getting increasingly dehydrated. There's no shade, 380 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: there's an nothing to protect them from the sun. Pollard's boat, 381 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 1: in particular, is attacked by a killer whale, and again 382 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: not not like a killer whale like moby Dick, an 383 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 1: actual species called the smaller, sleeker black ones. Yeah, cooler 384 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: looking to their like the anime looking hesitations. Yeah. Orcas 385 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: they get they get attacked by an orca, and it's 386 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,239 Speaker 1: very much not the situation you see at Sea World. Uh, 387 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 1: Sea World is also bad. Check out that documentary. Yeah, Blackfish. 388 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 1: So they do eventually spot land about two weeks later, 389 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: and again they're very desperate there to hydrated. There they 390 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 1: have the worst sun burns you could imagine heat stroke. 391 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: You name it. It's called Henderson Island. But Henderson Island 392 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: is like a pile of rocks, and so that it 393 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: doesn't really help them. I mean it's like a rest stop. 394 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: I guess it's a it's a place to stand while 395 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: you p But after but after another week, they start 396 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 1: to run out of supplies. As they're sailing on, three 397 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,919 Speaker 1: of the crew say, look, we know this is not 398 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: the best land, but we would rather take our chances 399 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: on land than climb back into a boat. Ever again, 400 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: we're done sailing this is bs. Boats are dead to me. 401 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: And we start getting into the territory of like some 402 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: Looney Tunes cartoons where like I think, bugs Bunny gets 403 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: marooned on a desert island and there I think, I 404 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: can't remember who it is, but somebody starts hallucinating and 405 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: seeing the other person as like a roasted chicken or like, 406 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a it's a trope. It's been 407 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 1: done a million times, but it's based on real stuff. 408 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: And if you go back and watch a lot of 409 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: those early Looney Tunes cartoons, there's some gnarly stuff in 410 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 1: those that are kind of based on more like literary 411 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: sources of the time, for sure. And we mentioned earlier 412 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: that they were steering clear of these islands for fear 413 00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: of cannibals, but oh, irony, sweet irony, they ended up 414 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: becoming cannibals themselves. By around mid December, they've been at 415 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: sea for weeks, more water being taken on by the boats, 416 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 1: more creepy ocean predators menacing them in the night, and 417 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: by January, their their supplies had completely run out. One 418 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 1: person went mad, and this is what I was kind 419 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: of describing with the Looney tunes. They stood up and 420 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: he said, I demand a dinner, napkin and water, like 421 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: as though he was, you know, not restaurants right exactly, 422 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: and then apparently started convulsing and passed away. The next morning, 423 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: Chase wrote, of this humanity must shudder at the dreadful 424 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: recital of what was next to come, because they used 425 00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: this fallen comrade as means of sustinance. Yeah, they tried. 426 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: They took apart his body, and they tried their best 427 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: to be respectful. They were not completely heartless. Yet they 428 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: took out his organs and they sewed up. They sewed 429 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: up his remains as best they could, and then they 430 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: gave him a burial at sea, and they ate this 431 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: unfortunate sailors organs over the neck. Just the next week, 432 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: three more people died and were eaten. In turn. One 433 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: boat disappeared of the three, and then the other two 434 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: boats lost sight of each other. On both of the 435 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: boats that we still know about, the men became too weak, 436 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: not just to move, but too weak to talk to 437 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: each other, and the folks on Captain Pollard's boat. There 438 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: were four of them left. They said, look, if we 439 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: don't have more food, then we're going to die. And 440 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: so on February six, eight twenty one, one of the 441 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: four people on the boat, a teenager named Charles Ramstall, 442 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: brought forth the the terrible suggestion that has become a 443 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: trope in literature. He said, let's draw straws to determine 444 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: who we have to eat next. Gets the short straw 445 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: that's rough stuff, and the crew agreed. I mean, it's really, 446 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: at this point the most civilized thing to do alrights 447 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: nominative determinism, because the short straws drawn by a guy 448 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: named Owen Coffin, who is the first cousin of the captain, 449 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: and Pollard has specifically promised the boy's mom that he 450 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: would look out for him, and he said he says 451 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: to him, look, if you don't like your lot, I 452 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: will shoot the first man that touches you. And then, 453 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: according to the story, well again we don't know how 454 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: much this true. Pollard even offers to step in and 455 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: volunteers tribute to take owen Coffin's place jus and Owen 456 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: Coffin refuses he says, well, you know, essentially says fair 457 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: is fair, and they have a second lottery. This lottery 458 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: is for the is to determine who has to shoot 459 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: the teenager Owen Coffin, and then Ramsdall, the kid who 460 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: proposed a lot shoot, He draws the short straw this 461 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 1: time and he shoots Owen Coffin and they consume him. 462 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: This is very very dark stuff. And they're at sea 463 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: for almost three months exactly for eighty nine days, and 464 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: the last three men on the other boat, on Chase's boat, 465 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: the first mate's boat, they see a sail in the 466 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: distance and they managed to make contact with an English 467 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:04,239 Speaker 1: ship called the Indian. They are rescued. Things are not 468 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: going so well on Pollard's boat. There are three hundred 469 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: miles away just drifting at this point, and there are 470 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: only two men left, Charles Ramstall, who is now a murderer, 471 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: and Captain Pollard, who is now accountable. There's a really 472 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: great um entry into the Love, Death and Robots series, 473 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: but I think was directed by David Fincher. It's it's 474 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: all you know, c g I, and it's beautifully done, 475 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: but it's like a maritime kind of horror show. Where uh, I, 476 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: I don't want to give anything away. You should definitely 477 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,719 Speaker 1: watch it. It'since the second season, but there's a drawing 478 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: of lots kind of situation and where we're like people 479 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: have to essentially there's like this creature that they have 480 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: in the hold of the ship and they have to 481 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: start like sacrificing crew members to the creature. And there's 482 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: it's very I mean, obviously all of this stuff is 483 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: you know, inspiration for any number of maritime tropes that 484 00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: we you know, know about in literature, in fiction. And 485 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: we're going to skip some of the uh, we're gonna 486 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: skip over some of the grizzlier details. What happens on 487 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: Pollard's boat at this point, ridiculous historians, you might be thinking, 488 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: what could be grizzlier? Trust us, it gets worse. Uh 489 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: So you're on homework if you wish. But we're gonna 490 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: just we're gonna move to the rescue. Yeah, this is 491 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: this is the line for us. Uh. Eventually, about a 492 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: week after Chase and the folks on his boat have 493 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: been rescued, crew member aboard an American ship, the Dolphin 494 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: spots Pollard's boat and these guys are so out of 495 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: it actively hallucinating on the edge of death. They don't celebrate. 496 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: What they do is try to hide the evidence of 497 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: their cannibalism. And like you would, you know, reasonably uh. 498 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: And then so out of this crew of twenty, there 499 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 1: are five men who survive, if you can call the 500 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: depravity they had to experience being something that makes you 501 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: a survivor. They get reunited and Valpariso, and eventually they 502 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: sell back to Nantucket. Pollard has recovered enough to meet 503 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: other whaling captains for dinner. He tells them the entire story. 504 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: One of the captains goes back to his room after 505 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: dinner writes everything down, and years years later, the third 506 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: boat is discovered at a place called Doocey Island or 507 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: d u c i e. There are three skeletons aboard 508 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,959 Speaker 1: um and what happened to the three men on Henderson Island. 509 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: Weirdly enough, they survived. They didn't have an easy time, 510 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: but they didn't have to eat each other. After four 511 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: months of living on shellfish and bird eggs, an Australian 512 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: ship happened by and rescued them. And the weird thing 513 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: is people didn't really judge them too harshly. For cannibalism. 514 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: They called it a custom of the sea. Yeah, for sure. 515 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 1: And I mean that's, I think, honestly, the about the 516 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: most empathetic way to proceed. I can't imagine judging someone 517 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: for just wanting to survive and accusing them of being 518 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: some sort of inhuman monster, you know, when they just 519 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: did whatever they could to survive. I forget the name 520 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: of the story, Ben, you might remember as a Stephen 521 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 1: King short story about a doctor who's like marooned on 522 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 1: a like a like a raft and he um, he 523 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 1: cuts his own flesh and eats himself yea, simply, you know, 524 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta do what you're gonna do, or 525 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna lay down and die. And you know, typically 526 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: when faced with these kinds of adversities, humans don't really 527 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: do that. They persevere and figure out a way, a 528 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: path forward. Yeah, yeah, I do remember that. That's a 529 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:03,240 Speaker 1: terrifying story about auto cannibalism. There. Auto cannibalism, the lightest 530 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: version of it would be like kids who eat their 531 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 1: boogers or people who chew their fingernails. But really, yeah, yeah, 532 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: but nowhere near on the level of this. So most 533 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: of these guys are kind of forgiven, people are exercising 534 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,320 Speaker 1: empathy and saying, who are we to judge? What would 535 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: we do if we were in that situation and we 536 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: knew we wanted to survive all of them except for 537 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: Captain Pollard, because Captain Pollard committed the ancient sin of 538 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,320 Speaker 1: consuming a family member. He had eaten his own cousin. 539 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: One one scholar and this is a ghoulish term. Uh. 540 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: One scholar called this gastronomic incest. I know, right, gross, 541 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: and we're already talking about gross stuff. But dang, I 542 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 1: had to talking about adding insult to injury, right I know. 543 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: And you know the scholar must have been so please 544 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 1: proud of that. I am so clever. Yeah, no, man, 545 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,879 Speaker 1: that was a bridge too far, dude, No thumbs down 546 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,800 Speaker 1: from the ridiculous History crew. But of course Owen Coffin's 547 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:17,840 Speaker 1: mother cannot stand to be around her her relative, because again, 548 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: back then, they would have had other superstitions about did 549 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 1: you like absorb his soul? You know that it would 550 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: have been things like that at play and and thinking 551 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 1: about this, you know, I mean, it's a since so 552 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: deep that there's not really a specific word for it, 553 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: you know, And this a nomination would be the closest or, 554 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: like you know, harresy. Yeah, and so h how does 555 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,879 Speaker 1: Melville come into this? Uh? The Pollard spends the rest 556 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: of his life in Nantucket. He dies, Uh, he dies there, 557 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 1: and according to the story, once a year on the 558 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: anniversary of the Essex wreck, he would lock himself in 559 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: a room and apparently fast in honor of his lost crewmen. 560 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,799 Speaker 1: Which is that's it is tragic? Well, I mean it's 561 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: it's it's it's sad because this would have haunted this 562 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: person for the rest of their life. Oh yeah, how 563 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 1: do you forgive yourself again? In these times where religion 564 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,479 Speaker 1: and all of these things run so deep, how could 565 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 1: you forgive yourself for doing that? And how could you 566 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 1: even call it living? You know what I mean? Right 567 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: like you said earlier, you know, at a certain point, 568 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 1: you're gonna do what you're gonna do, because that's why 569 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,840 Speaker 1: the human animal is sort of designed, but then separated 570 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: from that and put back into you know, gen pop. 571 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 1: That stuff's gonna follow you, you know, and your your 572 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: days and your nights. But Melville did briefly encounter Pollard, yes, 573 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: but but not like in any kind of serious way. 574 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: It was more like in passing, right, Yeah. Yeah, And 575 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 1: so in July eighteen fifty two, Melville travels via steamship 576 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:03,319 Speaker 1: steamer to Nantucket and he's kind of a tourist. He 577 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 1: meets local dignitaries, he gets a look at the actual, 578 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: you know, this place that he's been writing about, because 579 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 1: remember this is the year after Movie Dick publishes. Uh, 580 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 1: and he only I thought this was research initially, so 581 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: he'd only imagined this stuff. But he was aware of 582 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,440 Speaker 1: these stories and on his various famous before he wrote 583 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 1: Movie Dick. He wrote things before Moby Dick like TYPEE 584 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 1: or type which I had read. It's a it's a 585 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 1: story about getting stranded on an island. I think he 586 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 1: wrote some some poems as well. He wrote some romance adventures. 587 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:46,320 Speaker 1: He was dappling in Various Dick was his big break. Essentially, 588 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 1: he made him a household name, right. Yeah, but well 589 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: after his death, people, that's how it usually goes in there. Yeah, 590 00:38:54,680 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 1: people weren't people weren't impressed. And so, yeah, Melville wrote 591 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,840 Speaker 1: a little bit about Pollard in Moby Deck or like 592 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 1: you know, specifically with regard to the event of the 593 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 1: whale seeking his ship. So he had a little bit 594 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 1: of historical you know, realism built in there as sort 595 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,320 Speaker 1: of like to set the tone right in the context, Yeah, exactly, 596 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,360 Speaker 1: to ground it in real events and make the story 597 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,719 Speaker 1: of Ahabs seem more real and on the on his 598 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: very last day in this visit to Nantucket, he meets 599 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: Captain George Pollard, and Pollard now is a is a broken, 600 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: wretched shell of a sixty year old man. He was 601 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,320 Speaker 1: only twenty nine years old when the Essex went down. 602 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:42,160 Speaker 1: He actually after after the Essex briefly he captained a 603 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 1: second whaling ship, was called the Two Brothers, and two 604 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 1: years into his career on that ship it wrecked on 605 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 1: a coral reef. And now he was called a jonah, 606 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,760 Speaker 1: meaning he was unlucky to see no owner ever would 607 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 1: let him aboard one of their ships and not be 608 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,840 Speaker 1: as of incompetence because of his superstition. Right, well no, 609 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,240 Speaker 1: but literally they were like, no, you're you're you're bad news. 610 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,319 Speaker 1: Your vibes are gonna throw our whole because, I mean, 611 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: we know that that maritime history revolves so much around 612 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,279 Speaker 1: a superstition and uh, making sure that you've got the 613 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,799 Speaker 1: right socks on and things. I mean, I'm sort of 614 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 1: joking but like it was a big thing, you know, 615 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: because you were venturing into the unknown. So there were 616 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,839 Speaker 1: these kind of like talisman's or you know, like ideals 617 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,759 Speaker 1: that would would hopefully protect you, and you wouldn't want 618 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 1: to be around anyone that was seen as like bad luck. 619 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 1: Right when faced with forces beyond your understanding or control, 620 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: you want to do everything you can to tilt the 621 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 1: odds in your favor. So that's why those maritime superstitions 622 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,360 Speaker 1: continue today. If you've got any friends in uh, in 623 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,960 Speaker 1: a navy anywhere in the world, or in the merchant marines, 624 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 1: they'll tell you the same people take that stuff seriously. 625 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 1: And uh, like you said, he didn't. Melville didn't have 626 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:04,439 Speaker 1: an in depth soul searching hang out with Pollard. He said, 627 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,760 Speaker 1: we just exchanged some words. That's literally how he refers 628 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,799 Speaker 1: to it. And to Melville, we know that he saw 629 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 1: Pollard as a tragic hero. Dare I say somewhat like 630 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:21,359 Speaker 1: Captain Ahab. He wasn't gonna he wasn't gonna push him, 631 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,920 Speaker 1: you know, And that's honestly you got to respect that 632 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 1: because today in the age of true crime and like 633 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 1: getting you know, like plumbing the depths of people's misery. 634 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,400 Speaker 1: You would have journalists like knocking down this guy's door 635 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 1: to get him to relive those horrors. And uh, Melville, 636 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,439 Speaker 1: who you know was a successful author, you'd think might 637 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 1: be one of those people. But no, he said to 638 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,959 Speaker 1: the islanders, he was a nobody. To me, the most 639 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 1: impressive man though, holy, unassuming, even humble that I ever encountered. 640 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,839 Speaker 1: And maybe that's where we leave the story today. Thank 641 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,480 Speaker 1: you so much for venturing with us on this tale 642 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:08,279 Speaker 1: of tragedy on the high seas. Uh. This is history 643 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:12,520 Speaker 1: that may sound ridiculous and larger than life here in three, 644 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,400 Speaker 1: but we have to remember again these were sort of 645 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:20,000 Speaker 1: the astronauts of their time. And with that we want 646 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:25,480 Speaker 1: to think, Uh, our fearless navigator, Mr Max Williams, Uh 647 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,120 Speaker 1: I was on the runner at all times, our research associate, 648 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,600 Speaker 1: doctor Zach, and oh so many other people that we 649 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:39,880 Speaker 1: we promised to do our best. Never to eat exactly, Ben, 650 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,439 Speaker 1: I pledge right now that don't say some some sort 651 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,120 Speaker 1: of maroon. I keep saying maroon because I think it's 652 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:51,640 Speaker 1: fun to say. Situation. Um, y'all can eat me first. No, no, 653 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,279 Speaker 1: y'all eating me first. I'm not eating y'all. Well, what 654 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,319 Speaker 1: you guys me first. You know what, what you guys 655 00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,200 Speaker 1: are forgetting is rabbit starvation. This is where the honor 656 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,200 Speaker 1: party messed up by the check out this stuff they want, 657 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,279 Speaker 1: you know, episode and cannibalism. Most times, when people do 658 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,040 Speaker 1: decide to break that taboo, they've already been starving for 659 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,600 Speaker 1: so long that there's very little nutritional content in the beating. 660 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 1: So we need to make the decision early early. I 661 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 1: got it, I got it. Ben eat both of us 662 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 1: so you can go on and tell our tale. Oh well, 663 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:30,799 Speaker 1: you're the best writer. It's terrible though. We're we are 664 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:36,000 Speaker 1: a package deal, gentleman. Uh, we're gonna figure something each other. 665 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 1: Then at the same time, well, we could just take 666 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,760 Speaker 1: turns cutting little pieces. Oh god, this has gotten really 667 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,759 Speaker 1: it's time to cut. If we're not dead, we we 668 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,840 Speaker 1: have to just take turns. You know. You get a 669 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:54,440 Speaker 1: little flank from me, Yeah, yeah, jeez, Okay, well how 670 00:43:54,480 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 1: about this. Let's just let's keep this these lessons in mind, 671 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,800 Speaker 1: and let's make sure that wherever we go there's plenty 672 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:08,320 Speaker 1: of food, you know. I yeah, oh yeah, wait, no 673 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,480 Speaker 1: problem solved. Yeah. Thanks to Jonathan for volunteering his tribute. 674 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:17,400 Speaker 1: Thanks Alex Williams, thanks us, Jeff Toe, what a ride, 675 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 1: and and of course Noel, thank you so much. Man. 676 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:25,280 Speaker 1: I know that we're like behind the behind the scenes folks. Um, 677 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:30,120 Speaker 1: we've all had really busy weeks. I am kind of 678 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,879 Speaker 1: off off the grid a bit, but we are. We're 679 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,120 Speaker 1: making uh, we're making these shows happen because we love it. 680 00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,600 Speaker 1: We couldn't do it without you, fellow ridiculous historians and Noel, 681 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,600 Speaker 1: I certainly couldn't do anything like this show without you, 682 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:56,160 Speaker 1: my friend, Same me, hearty, same. Let's see you next time, folks. 683 00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,279 Speaker 1: For more podcasts for my Heart Radio, visit the I 684 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,239 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to 685 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:02,200 Speaker 1: your favorite shows.