1 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 1: Body backs with Joseph Scott Morgan. Imagine if you will, 2 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: You've spent the weekend with your children. You're having to 3 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: take them back home to their mother with whom they live. 4 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: You've got your other child in the back of the 5 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: car because they wanted to ride along to be with 6 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 1: their siblings. And then all of a sudden, in the darkness, 7 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: there's something in the middle of the road that causes 8 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: you to stop. You don't see a way around it. 9 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: You open the door, and the last thing you hear 10 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: there's a loud explosion and you are no more. Today 11 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the homicide of Jared Bright again. 12 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this his body backs joining 13 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 1: me today again is my about Jackie Howard, executive producer 14 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:25,559 Speaker 1: of Crime Stories. When Nancy Grace Jackie, We've been looking 15 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: at Jared's case now for lord over a year, I guess, 16 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: And suddenly we've got movement in this case. We do. 17 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: There has been an arrest made in the murder of 18 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: Microsoft executive Jared Bright. Again. He was killed in front 19 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: of his two year old daughter on his way to 20 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: drop off as you said, his twins to his ex 21 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: wife who lived not too far away. They had a 22 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: regular routine of drop off and pick up so that 23 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: they shared custody. Henry Tannan is accused by police of 24 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: hunting down the thirty three year old father. We know 25 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: that bright Again was shot. He was on his way 26 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: home after dropping the twins off, and this is a 27 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: one way street that he is coming down, and it 28 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: is a route he routinely took after dropping his twins 29 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: off with his ex wife. His daughter is in the 30 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: back seat. There is a tire in the roadway again 31 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: one way street, and the tire is in the middle 32 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: of the road. He cannot go around it. There's not 33 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: enough shoulder on either side to go around this tire, 34 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: so he stops, gets out to move it, and at 35 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: that point he is shot. The two year old who 36 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,839 Speaker 1: was in the back seat, Bexley, comes home when she's 37 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: returned to her mother, which is Jared bright Again's now wife, Kirsten, 38 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: and she tells mommy daddy on the ground. So this 39 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,959 Speaker 1: child has a memory of what happened before. We talk 40 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: about the evidence that led to an arrest. Remind me 41 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: of what would have happened to bride Again when he 42 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: was shot. Where was he shot, what was his wounds 43 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: and is it likely that he died instantly? It would 44 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: seem that this went down pretty quickly, Jackie, that he 45 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: was killed in place, and the one bit of information 46 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: that the police have released in in this case relative 47 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: to his injuries is that they were at close range. Now, 48 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: what we do know is that it was close range 49 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: and that there were multiple of them. As a matter 50 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: of fact, not only have they talked about that there 51 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: were multiple gunshot wounds, but they have found multiple casings 52 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: on the ground pretty much adjacent to his remains. They've 53 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: been very non specific about this about the absolute anatomical 54 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: location of these injuries. But he was essentially found deceased 55 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: immediately outside of the car, so it's not like he 56 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: ran some great distance. And right you were when you 57 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: mentioned little Bexley in the back of the car, she 58 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: was close enough that the shots rang out in her ears. 59 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: She could actually hear them at that moment, Tom, And 60 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: she also talked about her father going down, So you 61 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: have to really wonder, as this goes to proximity, did 62 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: she actually hear her father impact the ground in her 63 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: own two year old little mind. Is that something that 64 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: she has a memory of Remember, she says boom boom, 65 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: daddy on the ground. So it's one thing to hear 66 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: gunshot wounds, but to actually hear her say daddy on 67 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: the ground. Does that mean that she heard him impact 68 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: the ground or did she actually witness or maybe a 69 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 1: combination of both him going down and it happened immediately 70 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: outside of the car Jackie right adjacent to this little 71 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,679 Speaker 1: baby strapped in that car seat. She's only two years old. 72 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: Police estimate that the little girl sat in the back 73 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: seat for a least three minutes before a passer by 74 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: called police. The suspect in this arrest is Henry Tennant 75 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: to eat N O N and again he is accused 76 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: by cops of gunning down the thirty three year old 77 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: father of four. When the announcement of appending arrest was made, 78 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: the first thing people expected was that the suspect was 79 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: going to be his ex wife, and that is Shanna 80 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: Gardner Fernandez. After the divorce, Gardner married a trainer, Mario Fernandez. 81 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: Now we find out that Shannah Gardner Fernandez has moved 82 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: across the country without her husband, without Mario Fernandez. Learning 83 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: that it was not the announcement that most people suspected, 84 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: and again, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Police charged 85 00:05:55,480 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: Tennan with, among other things, conspiracy to murder, but that's 86 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: not all. What were his charges, Joe, We come to 87 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 1: find out that he's he's charged first off with second 88 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: degree murder with a weapon, all right, So that means 89 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: when you break that down, you begin it's kind of 90 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: self explanatory, but you can murder someone without a weapon, 91 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: all right. So they're specifying that in this charge that 92 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: it was a second degree murder. It wasn't like he 93 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: choked somebody, so he had a weapon that he used 94 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: to facilitate the death. And then here's what's very interesting 95 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: about this to me is that he is charged with 96 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: conspiracy to commit and murder. If you have a conspiracy, 97 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: that means that you don't just have one person, You've 98 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: got one, two, maybe three people that are attached to 99 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: this event. So people are conspiring to enter into an 100 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 1: agreement to perpetrate a homicide. In addition to that, and 101 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: this this goes to the position of Bexley, and you 102 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: remember we're talking about what she heard and maybe what 103 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: she saw. This other charge is actually child abuse. And 104 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: then he's also charged with being an accessory after the fact. 105 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: So we have the facts of the case here. We 106 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: know that we have a death that is at his hand. 107 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: He hasn't you know, been proved guilty yet, but he 108 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: has an awareness, he has knowledge of this event. This 109 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: all according to the prosecutor's office. So they've got a 110 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: lot of information on this man, specific tie backs. And 111 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: let's think about how long did it take them to 112 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: bring all of this together. They have been taking their 113 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: time because I think a lot of people, you know, 114 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: when we've talked about this case on air in the past, 115 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: particularly with Prime Stories with Nancy, we really thought I 116 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: think many of us thought that this case was going 117 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: to be turned around and solved very quickly. But it 118 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: has taken a long time. And I don't think that 119 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: it was necessarily because they didn't have leads. I think 120 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: that they had to put all of the pieces together. 121 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: They had the pieces, they just had to begin to 122 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: put them together, and they wanted to make sure that 123 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: they had a rock solid case. One thing that we 124 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: need to remember, just because he is charged with conspiracy 125 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: to commit murder does not necessarily link him back to 126 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: the ex wife. Don't be making that assumption, because right 127 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: now all we know is that police believe there was 128 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: a conspiracy, but they're not naming anyone that they thought 129 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: might be in on this. Shannon Gardner Fernandez has adamantly 130 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: stated and denied any role in Jared bright Agan's death. 131 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: Henry Tannan had a rap sheet. He was actually staying 132 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: with the roommate, who described him as a quiet, hard 133 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: working man. But he also recalls four separate police visits 134 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: to their home after Tennon was arrested on unrelated charges 135 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: last August. He said police kicked down the door at 136 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: least one time to turned the whole place over. They 137 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: were looking for a gun, his truck. They took all 138 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: of his clothes through it. Says he was also taken 139 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: in for questioning and grilled for about four hours for 140 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: any information that he knew about Tennin's role in bright 141 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: Agen's death. Of course, he said he had no idea 142 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: about what was going on. What I find interesting about 143 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: learning this is the role of this truck that they 144 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: were looking for, because we did have reports of a 145 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: blue truck being spotted near the scene of bright Agen's murder. 146 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 1: The truck is going to be key in this case, 147 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: I have I have no doubt and we've been hearing 148 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: about this for many, many months now that they have 149 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: CCTV footage of this, and the footage that was released 150 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: was kind of blurry. I really wonder as this investigation 151 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: has progressed, if they were able to kind of tighten 152 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: down those images a little bit, and maybe they had 153 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: other views of this vehicle. Perhaps they sent clips that 154 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: they had to another agency for them to kind of 155 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: refine them so that they could use them better to 156 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: identify this vehicle. What we do know is a specific 157 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 1: make that we're looking for forward f one fifty, and 158 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: that is going to lead back, I think to a 159 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: key piece of evidence in this case, and this goes 160 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: back to the tire. People keep talking about the tire 161 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 1: that was in the roadway that initially blocked Jared's progression 162 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: down the road, and we have to keep in mind 163 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: something here, and this is again a major major bit 164 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: of evidence. So the fact that it's not just a tire. 165 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: Keep hearing reports in the media and I read them 166 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: over and over again where they keep saying tire, It's 167 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: not simply a tire. Okay, what does that matter? Well, 168 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: it matters tremendously because this is a tire that's set 169 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: on a rim. And so not only do you have 170 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: a tire that, from an equipment stand point, can be 171 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: tied back to a particular type of vehicle that would 172 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,959 Speaker 1: take that size tire, but you also have a rim 173 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: that has pre drilled holes in it that attaches onto 174 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: the lug bolts that are fixed on a vehicle, so 175 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: it can be mounted that way, and that's very specific. 176 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: You'll have manufacturer marks they're on a rim, not to 177 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: mention the markings that are on the tire, and so forensically, 178 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: when you begin to look at this thing, you think, well, 179 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: what's going to make this particular item or items if 180 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: you refer to the rim and the tire together, what's 181 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 1: gonna make them unique? Well, first off, you have to 182 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: look at the manufacturer. You have to look at the 183 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: date that these things were produced. When you go to 184 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: the tire itself, you begin to think about, well, how 185 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: much wear is there on this tire? That's there because 186 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: it was a warm tire. This image is all over 187 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: the internet and you can see that it has been 188 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: well worn, it's covered in dust, and it will have 189 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: a specific wear pattern. If you have a tire like 190 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: this that has a specific wear pattern. That wear pattern 191 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: might be very distinctive to the vehicle that it was 192 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: used upon because the alignment on the vehicle might be wrong. 193 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: You might have tires are not necessarily going to match 194 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: perfectly if it's a replacement tire, and so it's going 195 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: to cause this vehicle to drive in a very particular way. 196 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: So you've got multiple points along here that can tie 197 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: back to a specific car. I will continue to be 198 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: watching this very closely because I want to know if 199 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: this ties back to Tennant's vehicle, this specific tire, did 200 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: it originate out of the bed of his truck? And 201 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: you know, we haven't even unpacked more specific forensic evidence 202 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: that goes back to say the rim itself. If I 203 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 1: understand what you're saying, there's enough evidence here besides touch 204 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: DNA to link Tennan to this murder. I think that 205 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 1: probably touch DNA is the least of these in this 206 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: particular case. Yeah, it might very well be there, and 207 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: if it is there, bully for them. I'm I'm happy 208 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: that they have that. Listen to our listeners. I would 209 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: urge anybody with your vehicle, if you have a vehicle, 210 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: go outside and take a look at the rim. That's 211 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: the inner portion you know, of your wheel there on 212 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 1: your vehicle, and you'll have brake dust that's on there 213 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: many times, and it's this kind of gray dust that 214 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: is a perfect sourcing for latent prints, believe it or not. 215 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: So if he put his hand on that rim itself, okay, 216 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: just featured this for a second, on that rim itself 217 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: and just dropped it off in the middle of the road, 218 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 1: his print might very well be there. And that's that's 219 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: pretty fascinating when you begin to think about that, that 220 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: he could have left a print in the dust on 221 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: that tire, on the rim itself, and when you look 222 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: at the images that are floating around out there, you'll 223 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: see the thing is just crusted with dirt. So that's 224 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: a potential that's there. If there's grease on the back 225 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: side of that rim, you can leave behind what's referred 226 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: to as a plastic print, and means that when you 227 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: have grease or oil and those sorts of things and 228 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: you apply your finger to that area and you pull 229 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: it away, you'll actually leave you'll leave a print in 230 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: that grease or whatever whatever else is there as well. Grease, oil, 231 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. Road deposits carbon build up. Think 232 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: about when we were kids, if you had a substance 233 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: like play dough or silly putty or something like that. 234 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: When you're a kid and you press your finger down 235 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: onto that surface and you pull it away, Well, that's 236 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: what a plastic print looks like. You actually have it 237 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: frozen in that for just a second when you're a kid, 238 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: and you can kind of stretch it and play with 239 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: it and that sort of thing. Same principle here with 240 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: this rim. He very well may have left a print there. 241 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: So you know that tire is going to be an 242 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: absolute just bevy of data for them to examine and 243 00:14:52,880 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: perhaps to tie back to this fellow an examination of 244 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: this case, it offers up more than just simply a tire. 245 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: There's a lot of forensics that they have in this case, 246 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: in my opinion, and things that have led to an 247 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: arrest and I think personally have led to an idea 248 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: that maybe there was a conspiracy of foot in this case. 249 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: I'm interested in talking about and backing up to talk 250 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: about the scene again, not just the tire and the truck. 251 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: There were some very specific points that you would have 252 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: to pay attention to and know about this area where 253 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: he was stopped where he was ambushed. Basically, this was 254 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: a one way street, so whoever set this up would 255 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: have to know it's a one way street, would have 256 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: to realize that there is not enough room for two cars, 257 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: and knowing that the landscape around him would not support 258 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: going around this tire. So there actually was a little 259 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: bit of thought put into this that goes to an 260 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: element of premeditation. And let's let's kind of put this 261 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: into military terms, because you mentioned the word ambush earlier, Jackie. 262 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: You know, the military will go out and recon an area, 263 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: conduct reconnaissance, and I think that that's probably what happened 264 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: here because the geography, and I'm talking about the physical 265 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: landscape out here is very particular. First off, you have 266 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:46,239 Speaker 1: to identify the fact that Jared Bridigan took a specific 267 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: route to and from his home to convey his children 268 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: to his ex wife's home. It's the route that he chose. 269 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: It's maybe the most direct route to get back to 270 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: his home. But what's so helling about this is the 271 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: fact that along this way there's a one way stretch, 272 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: and this one way stretch is very narrow. And when 273 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: I say narrow, there there's narrow when we begin to 274 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: think about maybe a street in the city where we've 275 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: got sidewalks on both sides and those sorts of things. 276 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: But in this context you're talking about in the environment 277 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,479 Speaker 1: in Florida, and when you take a look at the 278 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: way the land kind of lays. On one side of 279 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: the road, you've got this low growth of vegetation with 280 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: a few trees in this area that would be perfect 281 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: for concealment covering concealment. How metto bushes are in there, 282 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: you see some old growth oak that look like they're 283 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: sitting in the back. Back there, maybe a few pine trees. 284 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: And then on the other side you've got it got 285 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: this depressed area that kind of slopes away from the 286 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: road and it looks very marshy wet. So if you've 287 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 1: got an element in the middle of the road that 288 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: is impeding your ability to pass through the area, you 289 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: don't have a choice. You have to get out and 290 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: remove that item because you can't go up on either 291 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: shoulder of the road because you might run off into 292 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: the weeds, or you very well might go off into 293 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: the swampy area and get stuck. And this is not 294 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 1: like he was driving a gigantic forward drive truck. This 295 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: is a Volkswagen platform. That sounds as though that it's 296 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: kind of one of these quasi suv type small suv 297 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: type vehicles that he would not have the ability with 298 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 1: this vehicle to essentially just kind of climb over the tire. 299 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: It's not going to pass him the vehicle. He is 300 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 1: compelled at this point in time by virtue of this 301 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: item in the road to get out and remove the tire. 302 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: So what does that do? Well, as soon as you 303 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: do that, you become very vulnerable to anyone that wishes 304 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: to do you harm. You're outside the confines of the vehicle. 305 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 1: You don't have a door or even a windshield that 306 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: is protecting you in any way. So once you have 307 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: stopped the vehicle, and if I remember correctly, when he 308 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 1: stopped the vehicle, he put his flashes on, he had 309 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: the presence of mind put Asher's own exit vehicle, opens 310 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: up the door in order to get out there to 311 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: remove this impediment, and it's at that point in time 312 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: that he's essentially executed. Executed. Let me say they're working 313 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: executed in the middle of the road right there. It 314 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: just wasn't one shot. It's not like somebody randomly fired 315 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: out of the woods or something. Now someone was up 316 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: close on him, because they have mentioned the term close 317 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: range and they mentioned the term multiple shots. As an investigator, 318 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: you can automatically exclude anybody that just would have been 319 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: randomly firing a weapon off in the distance. And this 320 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: poor fellow happened to be on the receiving end of 321 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,719 Speaker 1: the round in. And that's not what happened here. Somebody 322 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: specifically targeted him and essentially killed him in the middle 323 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: of the road with his little babysitting right there strapping 324 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 1: in coarse Joe, you and I have had a lot 325 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: of conversations, and one of the things that I tell 326 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: you a lot is that I am geographically challenged. I 327 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: don't travel a lot, so I don't always not that 328 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: about other regions, but have learned through the years that 329 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: the landscape in Florida is a little bit different. And 330 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: one thing is you don't have a lot of basements 331 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,199 Speaker 1: because of the water table and the water content in 332 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,239 Speaker 1: the soil in Florida. Given that he had to be 333 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: stopped at a specific point and the perpetrator set it up, 334 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to throw out the turn choke point only 335 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: because you have talked to me about that before. So 336 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: this perpetrator set up a choke point, knowing that the 337 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: landmass surrounding where this stopped would not support the weight 338 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 1: of a truck. Am I right, You're absolutely on target again. 339 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,360 Speaker 1: Using the term choke point, that's a military term. It's 340 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: a point of vulnerability. If if folks at home will 341 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: just kind of envision a funnel and how funnel narrows down, 342 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: that's a choke point. You get to a point where 343 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 1: it restricts movement. And if you're looking to ambush somebody, 344 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: you want to get them in an area where they 345 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: cannot defend themselves. They can't run away. It's narrowed down 346 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: to that specific spot. So you've kind of got them 347 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: captured at that moment time and you can do with 348 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: them as you wish. What's kind of interesting about this, 349 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: I think is that if that theory holds water, which 350 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: I believe that it does, you would have the perpetrator 351 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: standing on either side of the road. If I were 352 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: a betting man, I'd bet that they would be on 353 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: the side of the road adjacent in that kind of 354 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: semi wooded area that kind of rises above it slightly 355 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: has a rise to it. Above the roadbed, you can 356 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 1: look down on an area and if you step down 357 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: out of the shadows, no one can remember. This is 358 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: at night and it's not a lighted area. Another reason 359 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 1: to pick this area because the individual that you're trying 360 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: to attack would essentially be blind to anything that's around them. 361 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: You don't have street lights out there, so they could 362 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: emerge out of the shadows once he has stopped that 363 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,959 Speaker 1: vehicle to remove the tire and fire upon him. In 364 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: this case, fire upondered. But what's interesting is that this 365 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 1: individual that would have perpetrated this would have had to 366 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: have stood there for a while. And what happens when 367 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: you stand in place, particularly on this soft, loamy soil 368 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 1: of us have been in Florida, I know, throughout the 369 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: day any time of the year, you can essentially get 370 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 1: a rainstorm, so the soil many times will remain quite 371 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: moist and very malleable. And so if he's standing in 372 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: one place for a protracted period of time, just waiting 373 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: and waiting and waiting for Jerry to pass by headed 374 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 1: on his way home, there might be footprints out there. 375 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: There could also be evidence of activity in addition to footprints, 376 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: because you're trying to find a spot where you'd have 377 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: broken vegetation, where you get branches snapped off. Remember there's 378 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 1: a low growth brush out there as well, these palmetto 379 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 1: bushes that I mentioned other kind of grassy elements that 380 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: are out there. People that are keen to this and 381 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: are whare of where they're going on, you can see 382 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,719 Speaker 1: where this these items are are either snapped off or 383 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: pressed down into that area, and that gives you an 384 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 1: idea of activity out there. You know, we think a 385 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 1: lot in forensics about blood trails and all that stuff, 386 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: but you can also get an ideas to what happened 387 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: at a scene by virtue of whearing individuals oriented relative 388 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: to their shoes, and of course shoes they're going to 389 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: be very very specific in this case. And remember what 390 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: you said earlier, Jackie. When they went out and they 391 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: served the search warrant on this fellow's house, what did 392 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 1: they get. Well, they went out there and the roommates 393 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: says they ainked all of his clothes out of there. 394 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 1: What are they looking for? I think clothes probably involves 395 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: shoes more than likely, maybe they've taken that all back. 396 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: If they found footprints out there, they could have cast 397 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: those and if they have work boots or athletic shoes 398 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: or I don't care if it's Sunday, go to meet 399 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: and shoes, they're gonna leave a distinctive print. And they 400 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: can compare that back at the lab once they've lifted 401 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: those cast out of the soil and give them an 402 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: idea or at least from a circumstantial standpoint that these 403 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: shoes use are consistent with the prints that we found 404 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: left behind at the scene. In our world, there is 405 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: no such thing as a perfect crime. Those do not exist. 406 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: Some are more difficult to solve, but you know, here's 407 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: the thing. Perpetrators are always going to leave behind some 408 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 1: essence of who they are or what they have done, 409 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: or what they brought into the scene. And I think 410 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 1: that this case is no different. It's a bit more 411 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: difficult to work because it's an outdoor scene. This is 412 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: not like walking into a house and an apartment somewhere 413 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: where you're going to have a blood suck scene. And 414 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: you might have a lot of fiber evidence out there 415 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: that you could find, but still significant evidence can be 416 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: found out yere. And I've got an idea about a 417 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: few of these things, and I think that you're going 418 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: to leave some trace behind. And I gotta tell you, 419 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: I think that there are several items that we have 420 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: yet to discuss that could lead deeper and deeper into 421 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: this investigation and point certainly to this perpetrator and maybe 422 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: potentially to others. Let me see if I can guess 423 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: what some of those things might be. We've talked about 424 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 1: the tire and the possibility of prints. We've talked about 425 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: possibly finding a nest or an area nearby where the 426 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 1: perpetrator may have watched while waiting on his victim. And 427 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,199 Speaker 1: we've talked about the truck a little bit. What about 428 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: the possibility of shell casings there on the scene. Depending 429 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: on what kind of a weapon you're using, the shell 430 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: casings get ejected you unless you have lots of time 431 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: to look, you may not necessarily know where it is 432 00:25:55,400 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 1: ejected to were there shell casings found? Joe, Yeah, and 433 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: I'm glad that you made that plural case scenes. That's 434 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: what the police have said over and over again. And 435 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: I can tell you a big piece of this that 436 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: that we might can safely speculate on. This is probably 437 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: gonna be a semi automatic weapon because you've got multiple 438 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: ejected shell casings. Now, it's possible that you could have 439 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: used a revolver, and you can eject shells from a 440 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: revolver with an ejection rod that you kind of you 441 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: open up the cylinder and you push them out and 442 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: it drops on the ground. But those are becoming fewer 443 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: and fewer nowadays. Most people are going to be carrying 444 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: a semi automatic handgun, and so where you have shell 445 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: casings that are ejected out of the side, people need 446 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: to be very careful when you start to talk about 447 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: the relationship between shell casings and say the decedent that 448 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: that is the person that has passed away, the homicide victim. 449 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: Many people will get an idea that when you see 450 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 1: these ejected shell casings it might be an indication of 451 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 1: movement of the perpetrator as their firing the weapon. That 452 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,919 Speaker 1: is a falsehood because you can have a distribution of 453 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: shell casings all over the place, particularly on a very solid, 454 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: hard surface. Remember this is on an an asphalted surface 455 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: and a road. So when those spent metal casings eject 456 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: out of that ejection port and they hit the ground, 457 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 1: it's anybody's guess as to where they're gonna wind up, 458 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: and they'll bounce all over the place. Even in an 459 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 1: individual that stays static, that means stands still while they're firing, 460 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 1: These spent casings can bounce all over the place. You 461 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: can't even there's no way to even do the mathematical 462 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: computation that would be involved to try to make a 463 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,360 Speaker 1: guess at to where one one one case and will 464 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 1: land as opposed to another. So that shouldn't be an 465 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: indication of movement of the individual, whether they were static 466 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: or moving around. It's just going to give you an 467 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 1: idea of an approximation as to where the perpetrator was. 468 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: It sounds as though, based upon what the police have said, 469 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: is that it was perpetrated very close to the open 470 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: car door that Jared had had stepped out of. Remember 471 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 1: he put his flashers on, opened the door and stepped 472 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: out and then boom boom. So you've got the shell 473 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: casings that are lying about semi automatic we believe, and 474 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: it will essentially go back to a particular weapon. Now 475 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: here's here's what the police are looking for. Hopefully they 476 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: can find this weapon, because if they do and deepen 477 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: it upon the track of the wounds and the rounds 478 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: that passed into Jared, if they recovered any of those 479 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: rounds whatsoever, they can tie that back to the barrel. 480 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: We've talked a lot about ballistics on body backs, so 481 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: that's certainly something that would help us identify the weapon 482 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: and potentially put it into the hand of the person 483 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: that possessed it at the time of this crime. Also, 484 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: you would begin to look at these aforementioned casings that 485 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: have been spent because they have marks on them too. 486 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: They have extraction marks, to have ejector marks. It's soft metal. 487 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: So as the process is happening where that around is 488 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: being that spent cation is being pulled out of the 489 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: weapon by this force as it's flying through the air 490 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: and just before it's literally grabbed within the weapon slid back, 491 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: and those markings are distinctive to that weapon. That's important 492 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: because not only if you get the weapon, you can 493 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: tie the projectile ballistically back to the weapon, but you 494 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: can look at the markings on the casing and tie 495 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: that back to the same weapon. You're not just looking 496 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: at what's coming out of the barrel, You're also looking 497 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: at what's coming out of the ejection board as well, 498 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: because those are very distinctive. Scientifically, speaking of scientifically. How 499 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: about something that we kind of take for granted every 500 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: day and people kind of dismiss and don't realize how 501 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: scientific it really is. And that is the like the 502 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: hood of video from every angle. I mean, you're gonna 503 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: have houses that are gonna have doorbell cameras, You're gonna 504 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: have businesses usually are going to have some kind of 505 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: surveillance cameras. So we know that it was reported that 506 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: there was a blue truck. How do you think that 507 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: they pinpointed or narrowed down on the truck that it 508 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: belonged to Tennan. I got one better for you than 509 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: just simply seeing the truck on video the night of 510 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: Remember how we talked about going out and reconning an 511 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: area like the military Wood. What if they were able 512 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: to put that truck out there during the daytime hours 513 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: where it's passing through this area up down the road 514 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: searching for that choke point as we mentioned, what if 515 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: they got that truck captured on video by rain camp. 516 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: And look, I don't know how much folks know about 517 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: this area, but this is a high dollar area where 518 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: this took place. Now I know that it We made 519 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: it sound very vacant and it is in this particular area. 520 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: But up and down this road you've got homes that 521 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: are far nicer than anything that I live in, very 522 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: very high end real estate. And what do high end 523 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: real estate owners tend to have on their homes, Well, 524 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: they like security. I don't think the police are just 525 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: simply reliant upon what happened that night. They're relying upon 526 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: what happened the days leading up to this event. And 527 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: they may have gone to all of these homes up 528 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: and down this road and said, well, sir, ma'am, can 529 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: we pull your video footage here? We were looking in 530 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: this case. We want to look back several days. Maybe 531 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: they had an eyewitness, maybe they saw a strange truck 532 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: that wasn't part of that neighborhood, and somebody came to 533 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: the police and said, you know what, there's been a 534 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: truck that's been driving back and forth through here for 535 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: the past week. We don't know who the guy is, 536 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: but you know I heard about the description. I didn't 537 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: see it that night. Man. A truck just like that's 538 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: been driving up and down the road preceding the event. 539 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: So that could be part and parcel of what the 540 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: police are looking for as well, or have identified in 541 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: this particular case, certainly enough to create a search warrant 542 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: perhaps and then finally an arrest warrant in this particular case. 543 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: I think all the things that you've told us about 544 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: today Joe really puts together and solidifies for people how 545 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: long it truly can take to solve a murder case. 546 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: I mean, we're looking at over a year now before 547 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: an arrest was made in this case, Yes we are. 548 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: And God blessed Hert's wife to go through what she's 549 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: gone through with these children day in and day out, 550 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: wondering all of his family that have been so united 551 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: in this case, and finally they get this one ray 552 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: of hope here because it has been an uphill struggle 553 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,719 Speaker 1: and there's been a lot of questions that have been asked, 554 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: and that that doesn't go to the police don't know 555 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: what they're doing. I take it exception anytime somebody says 556 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: that the police are being careful, particularly you know, because 557 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: the word conspiracy has come up in this case. That 558 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: adds a whole another level of complexity to a case. 559 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: That means that you just don't have one individual that 560 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: you're looking at, You're looking at multiple individuals. So it 561 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: increases it by a specific factor, and it makes it 562 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: very layered. You know, we haven't even even touched on certainly, 563 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: I think maybe many of us kind of take it 564 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,719 Speaker 1: for granted. We haven't touched on on the fact that 565 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: the perpetrator may have been carrying cell phone with him. 566 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: What if there were text messages that were going back 567 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: and forth. What if he's painting off the towers. For 568 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: all I know, this individual left their phone at home, 569 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: but just what if, just what if they were lying 570 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: in wait out there as Jared is traveling home to 571 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: go back home to his precious family with that precious 572 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: angel in the back seat, and he's sitting out there 573 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: in those bushes waiting for him to come back. He's 574 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: got his phone in his pocket, and all the while, 575 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: all the while, they're able to tide back to a 576 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: specific perpetrator, and that thing is bringing off of those towers, 577 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,479 Speaker 1: giving them a specific identification and location as to where 578 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: he was the entire time. You brought up to conspiracy again, Joe, 579 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: So let me say it one more time. We are 580 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: not jumping to conclusions. No one has been named as 581 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: a co conspirator in this case. No one has been 582 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: arrested as a co conspirator in this case so far 583 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 1: has been Henry Tannan. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this 584 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:37,760 Speaker 1: is body Backs.