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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Republicans are worried Mitt Romney's new

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Speaker 1: book will reveal their true feelings about Trump. Lol. We

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Speaker 1: have such a great show for you today. Wisconsin Democrats

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Speaker 1: chair Ben Wickler talks to us about Republicans' latest anti

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Speaker 1: democratic play to impeach a newly elected Supreme Court judge

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Speaker 1: because they don't like her. Then we'll talk to Russett Perry,

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Speaker 1: who was running for a critical swing district in Virginia's

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Speaker 1: very important state Senate election. But first we have senior

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Speaker 1: editor at The Atlantic, Ron Brownstein. Welcome back to Fast Politics.

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Speaker 2: Ron Brownstein, Hey, good to be here again. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: having me.

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Speaker 1: I'm so delighted to have you, and I know how

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Speaker 1: unprecedented I feel. And I McCarthy today saying you saw

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Speaker 1: that where he said they should try to take me

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Speaker 1: down with a motion to vacate explative explative.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what is happening, Ron Brownstein.

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Speaker 4: Well, at the broadest level, you know, we are rolling

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Speaker 4: through this ongoing confrontation between what I've called the Coalition

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Speaker 4: of Transformation and the coalition of restoration, which simplifies to

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Speaker 4: the parts of the country that are and are not

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Speaker 4: comfortable with the way we are changing culturally, demographically, and economically.

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Speaker 4: And our politics was heading in this direction before Trump.

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Speaker 4: I coined those phrases immediately after the election of twenty twelve,

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Speaker 4: when it was pretty clear in the pattern of voting

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Speaker 4: even for Obama and Romney. But Trump has really crystallized this,

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Speaker 4: and his emergence has both radicalized the Republican Party and

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Speaker 4: created this existential, permanent sense of dread on the other

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Speaker 4: side of the ledger and left us with the politics

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Speaker 4: that is just see seems to be unable to climb

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Speaker 4: down from the battlements, is constantly in crisis, and in

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Speaker 4: part because we are so closely divided, and it seems

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Speaker 4: like very small changes among very small groups in very

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Speaker 4: few states can tip the balance of power for a

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Speaker 4: nation of syringe of thirty million people. And because we're

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Speaker 4: so polarized, the future, right, I mean, the future of

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Speaker 4: Republican dominated government and democratic dominated government is so wide

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Speaker 4: at this point. So we have these kind of massive

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Speaker 4: a recipe for like permanent stress.

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Speaker 3: It's true. I mean, there is an anxiety.

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Speaker 1: I was promised that once Trump was defeated, we wouldn't

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Speaker 1: all be walking around on tinderhooks.

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Speaker 3: But it seems like this impeachment thing.

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Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of theories about it, that McCarthy

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Speaker 1: had implemented it to avoid a shutdown.

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Speaker 3: Does that even make any sense.

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Speaker 4: I think McCarthy implemented it because it was more about

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Speaker 4: McCarthy's job security than Biden's job security, right, I mean,

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Speaker 4: I think we discussed this even on the show. I

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Speaker 4: felt that as soon as McCarthy avoided the debt default,

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Speaker 4: which was truly a potentially catastrophic event, and I assume

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Speaker 4: that he got his chain yanked by the Wall Street

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Speaker 4: wing of the Republican Party saying you cannot mess around

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Speaker 4: with this, that you're going to only go so far.

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Speaker 4: Once he did that, I've always felt that a government

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Speaker 4: shut down was inevitable because he could not stiff his

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Speaker 4: right flank on both of those issues. The impeachment inquiry,

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Speaker 4: which he can authorize but really can't take too far

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Speaker 4: without a vote. Sooner or later, he's going to need

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Speaker 4: a vote both to continue the inquiry as a full

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Speaker 4: pledged inquiry, but much less to you know, actually impeach Biden.

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Speaker 4: And so the issue that he's tried to avoid now

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Speaker 2: Sooner or later he's going to have to face that.

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Speaker 4: But whatever he did on impeachment, I think he is

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Speaker 4: going to have to shut down the government because and

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Speaker 4: see how he could tell the right no on both fronts,

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Speaker 4: and he chose the one that could really be catastrophic

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Speaker 4: for the domestic and global economy. That was where he

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Speaker 1: I feel like the donor class is not happy when

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Speaker 1: you destroy all of their public market holdings.

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Speaker 2: Yes, for example, right exactly.

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Speaker 4: You know, what was it, Carnegon you said during the

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Speaker 4: that's the battle cry today.

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Speaker 1: So, I mean I do feel like Democrats are hand

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Speaker 3: I mean, you would never have Republicans being.

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Speaker 1: Like our guy is three years older than Donald Trump,

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just so nuts.

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Speaker 2: I guess I'm in the yes and no in this camp.

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Speaker 4: I would say that if you look at the environment today,

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Speaker 4: I believe it is still true that Joe Biden has

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Speaker 4: completely ignore what I think is pretty clear resistance in

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Speaker 4: many Democratic strategists who hope that by now things would

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Speaker 4: Biden and Trump met in twenty twenty four, changes in

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Speaker 4: the environment, and two of them are hurting Biden and

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Speaker 4: benefiting Biden. I mean, the concern about inflation is real, right,

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Speaker 2: It is an invenience, an annoyance.

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Speaker 4: overwhelming likelihood is that by election day in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 4: I mean, we're you know, it's hard to believe milk

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Speaker 4: And then I agree real quick, the other headwind is

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Speaker 4: people are genuinely concerned about his age, right, I mean,

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Speaker 4: we have multiple goals. That doesn't mean he can't win,

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Speaker 4: but it does mean that the whole situation.

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Speaker 2: Is much more precarious than you would expect.

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Speaker 3: And then what are the Trump headwinds?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think the two big Trump headwinds that weren't

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Speaker 4: there in twenty twenty are abortion and insurrection. January sixth

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Speaker 4: So I think that there is more concern about Trump

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Speaker 4: I think when you add up you know, age and

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Speaker 4: really hard to move a large number of voters under

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Speaker 4: implication of all this molly is that Biden, just on

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Speaker 4: You know, he says, the last guy looked at the

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Speaker 4: I think if you add up all of these factors,

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Speaker 4: I mean, he's going to struggle to equal his twenty

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Speaker 4: most likely to vote on abortion. And we've seen that

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Speaker 4: You know, we have multiple polls in putting another one

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Speaker 4: this week. People have asked directly who would be better

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Speaker 2: So it can be done.

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Speaker 4: It's just but there are reasons it's not irrational for

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Speaker 1: At this point, we have seen Biden continually overperform in

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Speaker 1: he has incredible power in incumbency. Can we talk about

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Speaker 1: the power of incumbency because I feel like when Trump

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Speaker 4: Say well, look, I think Biden is very aware of

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Speaker 4: dead set on running. I mean, there are obvious costs

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Speaker 4: There obviously would not be deference to Kamala Harris and

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Speaker 4: of course, ousting the first woman of mixed race, it

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Speaker 4: would be just a mess in the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, Biden.

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Speaker 4: That's one reason why Biden thinks it's important for him

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Speaker 4: every incumbent president, including Trump, ran better among Latino voters,

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Speaker 4: The offset to this is what Ben Tulchin, who was

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Speaker 4: one of these recent stories, which is that, and I

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Speaker 4: raise an enormous amount of money. You get an early start.

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Speaker 4: Biden is advertising now in the Swing States. Trump is

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Speaker 4: The ninety eight one with Clinton really is the example.

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Speaker 4: groundless impeachment would certainly make it easier for Democrats to

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Speaker 1: You're answering all the questions I want answered, and so

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Speaker 1: Theoretically a problem that could be solved with impeachment.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you will help with part of the base.

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Speaker 1: Ron Brownstein so helpful. I feel like every time I

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Speaker 3: For my own work. I mean, you just are a

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Ben Wickler is the chairperson of the Wisconsin Democrats.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Fast Politics, Ben.

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Speaker 6: So good to be back. In a wild moment in

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Speaker 6: the state of Wisconsin, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean wild, So explain to us the story because you

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Republicans during the Scott Walker era decided that they

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Speaker 6: the to actually run the administrator for the Wisconsin Elections

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Speaker 6: So they had a vote today, but they have a

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Speaker 6: The three Republicans said yes. There was no majority vote,

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Speaker 6: This is their system. It's amazing and it's so characteristic

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Speaker 3: Start with the big election and go from there.

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Speaker 6: So this spring we had a blockbuster Supreme Court election.

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Speaker 6: It was probably like fifty five million dollars in tracks

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Speaker 1: split state.

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Speaker 6: Exactly, just to put that into context, that is more

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Speaker 6: than eleven thousand percent of the margin in four of

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Speaker 6: the last six presidential actions, Like it's been under one

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Speaker 6: percent in form we had a one percent margin center

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Speaker 6: race last year. Getting to eleven points is just that

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Speaker 6: is the public thunderously saying this is what we want here. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: the public has its say and to get to that number,

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Speaker 6: it means you have a bunch of Republicans crossed over

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Speaker 6: voted for Jenipro Sviits. It means you won overwhelmingly with

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Speaker 6: independent voters and the united support from Democrats. That's the

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Speaker 6: verdict of the people. The jenipot Sawitz has sworn in

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Speaker 6: on August first, and immediately the Republican Speaker of our

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Speaker 6: State Assembly, Robin Voss, starts floating this idea that maybe

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Speaker 6: he's going to impeach her to stop her from being

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Speaker 6: able to rule on the court. There's a two lawsuits

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Speaker 6: now that different groups have filed. Not the Democratic Party,

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Speaker 6: by the way, but two different organizations have filed lawsuits

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Speaker 6: challenging the constitutionality of our ultra jerrymandered maps. Even though

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Speaker 6: we're a fifty to fifty state where you know, winning

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Speaker 6: or losing by one point is the norm. Republicans have

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Speaker 6: rigged the state so much that they have a two

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Speaker 6: third supermajority in the state Senate and are hair's bread

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Speaker 6: the way from a two third supermajority in the state Assembly.

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Speaker 6: It is the biggest partisan advantage of any state in

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Speaker 6: the United States, according to the Princeton Dairymandering Project. So

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Speaker 6: those are the maps we have right now. All it

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Speaker 6: takes in the Constitution is a simple majority in the

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Speaker 6: state Assembly to impeach a judge or justice. And what

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Speaker 6: someone's impeached, they're suspended, so they can't rule on anything.

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Speaker 6: But the rule is you're supposed to be under the Constitution.

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Speaker 6: You're supposed to only impeach if someone's had corrupt conduct

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Speaker 6: in office, or crime or misdemeanor.

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Speaker 3: Or if you really don't like them.

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Speaker 6: That is the thing that Robin Voss seems to have

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Speaker 6: added in his head. She hasn't done anything in office.

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Speaker 6: She hasn't ruled on a single case in office. But

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Speaker 6: the idea that Republicans are pursuing their claim is that

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Speaker 6: by saying the maps were rigged, that was prejudging a

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Speaker 6: case against them. There was no case. When she said

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Speaker 6: that the maps are ragged, she said that was her

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Speaker 6: personal view. She said she never prejudge a case. Republicans

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Speaker 6: have run for State Supreme Court, like with wearing NRA

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Speaker 6: logos and holding guns in their campaign materials, like of

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Speaker 6: course you're allowed to have your person and on.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you have ron but right, you're allowed to

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Speaker 1: have a personal view. It's total bs. But what I

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Speaker 1: want to ask you now, isn't there a theory that

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Speaker 1: if she is impeached that the gu governor, who is

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Speaker 1: a Democrat and won by a landslide of four points,

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Speaker 1: which is right among this for Wisconsin, can actually appoint

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Speaker 1: someone else.

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Speaker 6: If there's a vacancy, the governor appoints someone. Normally we saw,

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Speaker 6: you know when Trump was president, the House impeaches and

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Speaker 6: then the Senate holds the trial and either equits or convicts.

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Speaker 6: And Republicans in theory, could they have two third super

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Speaker 6: majority in the state Senate so they could convict someone.

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Speaker 6: We've heard from multiple state senators and the Republicans side

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Speaker 6: that they would not do that. They're not into this

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Speaker 6: at all. But most of all, it seems like the

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Speaker 6: Republicans in the state Senate don't want to even have

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Speaker 6: the trial. But if they don't, then we're in limbo

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Speaker 6: because if you impeach without a trial under the Constitution,

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Speaker 6: you're suspended until acquit it, which means that they could

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Speaker 6: essentially suspend someone indefinitely unless either a court step in

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Speaker 6: or the Republican legislature actually, you know, does its constitutional

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Speaker 6: duty and has a trial which would I think lead

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Speaker 6: to acquittal if they actually did it.

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Speaker 1: So what I think is really interesting is what's happening

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Speaker 1: in Wisconsin is not not happening in Florida, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: there are other states where Republicans are getting way over

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Speaker 1: their skis and taking the anti democratic nugget that Trump

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Speaker 1: is sort of birthed and taking it to its logical conclusion.

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Speaker 3: The difference is, I think in a.

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Speaker 1: Place like Wisconsin, we have a very strong Democratic Party

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Speaker 1: that is really taking them to task, and it's much

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Speaker 1: more split, so they're not getting away with it the

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Speaker 1: way they are in Florida.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I mean, Wisconsin has a Democratic governor. All but one

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Speaker 6: of our state constitutional officers are Democrats. We have Ron Johnson, yes,

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Speaker 6: but we have Tammy Baldlet is a fantastic progressive center

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Speaker 6: and the public has been we voted for Biden in

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Speaker 6: twenty twenty. We've Democrats have won fifteen to the last

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Speaker 6: eighteen contested statewide elections. So it is a different situation

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Speaker 6: in that sense. And it's true that both the Democratic

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Speaker 6: Party and the progressive movement here broadly is super engaged

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Speaker 6: and super fired up. And so right now there's a

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Speaker 6: massive campaign that we're helping to organize to ensure that

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Speaker 6: voters in Republican legislative districts know what's happening and contact

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Speaker 6: their legislators about it. The first poll came out today,

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Speaker 6: the public is two to one against this impeachment. Republican

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Speaker 6: legislators are you know what we're hearing just being flooded

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Speaker 6: with calls from people who oppose it. There's not a

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Speaker 6: kind of like groundswell to fundamentally shatter our system of

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Speaker 6: government by having the legislative branch execute a kind of

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Speaker 6: coup of the judicial branch. And there's still a faction

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Speaker 6: of the Republican Party that are like business Republicans and

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Speaker 6: they want to you know, make sure that they rake

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Speaker 6: in the tens of millions of dollars in corporate donations

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Speaker 6: for their national convention next summer. That they want they

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Speaker 6: want their tax cuts. There's like, while this is happening,

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Speaker 6: Republicans and the state legislature are trying to do a

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Speaker 6: big tax cut for rich people. They're trying to undercut

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Speaker 6: the governor's proposal. They increase support for childcare, like that's

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Speaker 6: traditional Republican stuff.

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Speaker 3: This is true, big mean to poor people.

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Speaker 1: They should all get around there, you know, we're really

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Speaker 1: here to take things away from people who need them and.

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Speaker 6: Give tax cuts to the super wealthy. Like that's what

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Speaker 6: they're really about. For those Republicans, it's like, oh my god,

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Speaker 6: why are we talking about this impeachment thing. This is

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Speaker 6: a disaster, And so they're split. They've had two public

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Speaker 6: defections already in the State Assembly the State Senate. Again,

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Speaker 6: this is really at this point an Assembly question because

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Speaker 6: the State Senate doesn't want to have a trial, but

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Speaker 6: the state Senators are kind of like publicly trying to

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Speaker 6: wave this away every chance they did. It still could happen.

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Speaker 6: But I think that the political costs that the GOP

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Speaker 6: will pay if they do this, he will engulf everything

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Speaker 6: else they try to talk about. They will be known

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Speaker 6: and proven and very clearly the people who overturned a

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Speaker 6: free and fair landslide election in order to get political power.

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Speaker 6: That will echo all the way through twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 6: It just reminds people of January sixth and everything else.

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Speaker 6: And for some Republicans, I think there's a real I

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Speaker 6: wish that they can find a way to stomp on

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Speaker 6: the brakes and Robin Voss again, the Republican Assembly speaker,

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Speaker 6: he did just kind of do a delay play. After

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Speaker 6: rumors that they were going to do the impeachment this week,

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Speaker 6: he yesterday announced that he was appointing a secret commission

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Speaker 6: of three former Supreme Court justices who advise him on

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Speaker 6: impeachment and that it would take a few weeks to

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Speaker 6: do it. So there's now a window of time where

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Speaker 6: the public can make its views heard. Where you have

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Speaker 6: a website at defendjusice dot com where you can find

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Speaker 6: your state legislators. I will say, if you live outside

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Speaker 6: Wisconsin or if you're not in a Republican legislative district,

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Speaker 6: don't contact the legislators yourselves. They don't care about what

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Speaker 6: you think. What you can do is go through that website,

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Speaker 6: find the phone bank, and then you can call voters

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Speaker 6: in the Republican legislative districts and tell them about this,

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Speaker 6: and then they can call their legislators and that actually

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Speaker 6: does help. Or you can donate all that's very helpful too,

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Speaker 6: But we need these Republicans to hear from the people

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Speaker 6: that they actually have to face. Every November and I'll

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Speaker 6: say one last piece of this. I think Republicans have

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Speaker 6: realized that there's a bunch of ways that not only

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Speaker 6: could they if they do this, could that have huge

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Speaker 6: kind of backfire impact on then it also could fail

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Speaker 6: to stop new maps from getting drawn. And then they're

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Speaker 6: the worst of all possible worlds because they have fair

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Speaker 6: maps that they're running in where it's actually like fifty

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Speaker 6: to fifteen a lot of districts, and they have an

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Speaker 6: electorate that is enraged by having been kicked in the

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Speaker 6: teeth by this legislators. And so I hope for democracy's

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Speaker 6: sake that they pull back from the brink. But if

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Speaker 6: they don't, I think it's a political disaster for them.

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Speaker 6: And then aleco across the country.

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Speaker 1: Well, give us like the TLDR on how it's going,

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Speaker 1: and you know how you've done it. And also white states,

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Speaker 1: you feel like there's something to be hopeful about.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely so all certain. On the other end, if you

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Speaker 6: look at Anderson Clayton in North Carolina, the new Democratic

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Speaker 6: Party chair there, or Yoli Bejerado in Arizona, or Liz

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Speaker 6: Walters in Ohio, these are all like very tough, very

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Speaker 6: complex states with amazing and as today. All these are

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Speaker 6: women's chairs. Lavora Barnes, and in Michigan has already achieved

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Speaker 6: what all of us are hoping for another absolutely down

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Speaker 6: in my chair. But in those three states they have

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Speaker 6: these gigantic fights that will have enormous implications for twenty

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Speaker 6: twenty four. They have constant fights on the way there,

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Speaker 6: from the election deniers of Arizona to the new Republican

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Speaker 6: supermajority in North Carolina to in Ohio Republicans trying to

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Speaker 6: change the ballot initiative rules to stop the abortion ballot initiative,

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Speaker 6: and it shares there in each of those states and

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Speaker 6: a number of others are doing the thing that we've

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Speaker 6: had the chance to do for several years now in

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Speaker 6: Wisconsin and in Michigan, which is to not just build

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Speaker 6: up right before an election, but to build a year

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Speaker 6: round organizing machine. And what that means for us is

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Speaker 6: we have staff in every region of the state, every

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Speaker 6: corner of the state, rural areas, suburbs, and cities who

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Speaker 6: work to build these teams of volunteers that understand their

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Speaker 6: own neighborhoods and their own communities, and they knock on

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Speaker 6: doors year round, sometimes in iceon Stowe in Wisconsin. I

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Speaker 6: imagine another places the sheet and humidity would be the

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Speaker 6: bigger challenge. But the really key thing is you don't

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Speaker 6: shut down that takes money. You have to raise money.

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Speaker 6: We have a thousands now of monthly donors who make

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Speaker 6: that possible for us to keep this team on board.

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Speaker 6: We have a year round voter protection team that works

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Speaker 6: on local elections as well as the big state wide elections,

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Speaker 6: that works to make sure there's pole observers you're showing

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Speaker 6: up everywhere. Often local elections literally come down to one vote,

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Speaker 6: and if you build up the kind of infrastruate sure

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Speaker 6: of democracy that stuff has, it carries forward, it works

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Speaker 6: more successfully when you get to the really big elections.

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Speaker 6: We have a year round coalitions program, so we have

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Speaker 6: staff that work to build our relationships in our parties,

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Speaker 6: partnerships and train candidates from all the different communities of

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Speaker 6: color around the state, from tribal nations you know, Latino

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Speaker 6: candidates and voters and Black and API and all the

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Speaker 6: different communities that make up our state. We have a

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Speaker 6: Rural Power Up initiative that we've been doing to support

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Speaker 6: our rural county parties in how they communicate, how they organize,

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Speaker 6: also how they do yard signs, which has been for

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Speaker 6: a long time. There was a kind of a thing

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Speaker 6: where Democratic operatives would say signs, yard signs don't vote.

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Speaker 6: But like when you know the people who put up

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Speaker 6: the yard sign and they are publicly endorsing someone, it's

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Speaker 6: an enormous validator. So we actually take that seriously. We

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Speaker 6: do that work all around the state. And it means

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Speaker 6: that a we like the Democrats in bright red areas,

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Speaker 6: know they're they're not the only one. So Democrats are

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Speaker 6: not automatically it will lose, so they know it's so

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Speaker 6: worth voting and organizing, and it engages people in the

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Speaker 6: bigger product that includes all the other stuff that we do.

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Speaker 6: So we do all that stuff year round, and it

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Speaker 6: means that when we get a crisis like this one,

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Speaker 6: we're actually already in the communities around the state and

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Speaker 6: we can fight back that instant. We don't have to

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Speaker 6: wait then parachute in someone in from some other place

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Speaker 6: to be able to do this work. It also means

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Speaker 6: that in elections like this spring the Supreme Court election,

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Speaker 6: we had an infrastructure already in place to be able

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Speaker 6: to organize and fight all across the state and on

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Speaker 6: and on. We'll have local elections in the spring of

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Speaker 6: twenty twenty four. Those tee up what needs to happen

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Speaker 6: for the fall of twenty twenty four, and by the

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Speaker 6: time we get there, we're going to have Tammy Baldwin

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Speaker 6: for US Senate. We'll have the presidential race where we'll

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Speaker 6: have be the tipping point state. We have at least

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Speaker 6: two potentially flippable House seats. We under either the current maps,

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Speaker 6: we have to stop supermajorities, or if we have new maps,

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Speaker 6: we might be able to fight for majorities, but will

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Speaker 6: have already done the groundwork so that it's not like

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Speaker 6: we're rocking up a few weeks before the election and

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Speaker 6: trying to introduce ourselves with Democrats and that, to me,

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Speaker 6: it's the long term project of building a democracy actually

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Speaker 6: involves building community and helping remind people that they have

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Speaker 6: power over the way that the world unfolds. They don't

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Speaker 6: just have to post angry what do they called that?

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Speaker 6: X's you know, if there's something you can do. To me,

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Speaker 6: that's the big project. And I'm thrilled about the work

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Speaker 6: that other state chairers are doing around the country, And

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Speaker 6: to me, where everywhere we can. In the purple places,

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Speaker 6: it's very clear how if you work a little bit

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Speaker 6: extra hard, if you push a little bit further, it

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Speaker 6: might have a huge impact. Sometimes that's harder to summon

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Speaker 6: in places that look nominally bright blue or bright red.

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Speaker 6: But as we saw in New York, the stakes if

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Speaker 6: you don't do this can be enormous.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we lost the House beacause of our Democratic Party.

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Speaker 1: Not that I am salty about this at all, because

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Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy is a very serious leader. Then so appreciate

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Speaker 1: you tell people what they can do, how they.

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Speaker 3: Can suppore you.

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Speaker 6: So if you're listening right now, first thing is go

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Speaker 6: to defend Justice dot com. If you're in Wisconsin, find

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Speaker 6: your legislator and contact them. If you're not, join our

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Speaker 6: virtual phone bank and call Wisconsin voters. And then second

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Speaker 6: thing you can do anyone can do from that website

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Speaker 6: or with stems dot org you can click through and

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Speaker 6: don't and especially if you become a monthly donor you

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Speaker 6: support the kind of year round infrastructure I'm talking about.

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Speaker 6: What happens now is going to have a gigantic impact

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Speaker 6: on the presidential election in twenty twenty four. The Republicans

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Speaker 6: have moved all their chips to Wisconsin. Their national convention

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Speaker 6: is in Wisconsin. You just saw their first presidential primary

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Speaker 6: debate here. They know that if they win here they

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Speaker 6: probably get the White House. If they lose, they probably don't.

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Speaker 6: So if anyone who is able to help us, you

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Speaker 6: can volunteer and you can donate, you can help us

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Speaker 6: make sure that we make the state blue. And if

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Speaker 6: we do this and then we have new maps, maybe

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Speaker 6: we have a chance to unrigistate. The Republicans have built

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Speaker 6: through law after law to be totally voter proof and

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Speaker 6: voter hostile and democracy proof. We have a chance to

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Speaker 6: unwind that trap. And if we do that, it could

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Speaker 6: have enormous long term implications for the whole country.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Ben, thank you, Molly.

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Speaker 6: Appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Russet Perry is the Democratic candidate in Virginia's thirty first

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Speaker 1: Senate district.

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Speaker 3: Welcome too fast politics for us.

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Speaker 5: It hi, I'm so happy to be here. Thank you

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Speaker 5: for having me explained.

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Speaker 1: To us a little bit about your race when it

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Speaker 1: is what it is, et cetera.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So I'm running for state Senates in Virginia. My

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Speaker 5: race is the most competitive race this year in Virginia

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Speaker 5: probably in the entire country. It is coming up early.

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Speaker 5: Voting starts September twenty second, and the actual election day

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Speaker 5: is November seventh. But the reason my race is so

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Speaker 5: important is because of the way that Virginia is currently divided.

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Speaker 5: We have a Republican governor, a House of Delegates that

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Speaker 5: is Republican held in a Senate that is narrowly held

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Speaker 5: by Democrats. My seat is the tipping point seat for

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Speaker 5: whether or not Democrats are able to hold the Senate

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Speaker 5: this fall here in Virginia. What that means sort of

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Speaker 5: the top priority is abortion and abortion rights and abortion

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Speaker 5: access and abortion freedom. Like we've seen across the country

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Speaker 5: and other states and on other ballots. My race is

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Speaker 5: the race that will, like libit at this siding vote

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Speaker 5: for what happens with abortion here in Virginia this year.

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Speaker 1: This is sort of the big election before twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Is this Virginia State House race. Will you explain to

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Speaker 1: our listeners. Virginia has a House of Delegates and it

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Speaker 1: has a state Senate. Right, that's right, Yep, the entire

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Speaker 1: thing everybody is up this year.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the right. Every single race is on the ballot.

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Speaker 1: We saw right after Trump got elected, Democrats were able

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Speaker 1: to flip both the House of Delegates and the state Senate.

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Speaker 1: Since then, Virginia has sort of lost democratic focus and

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Speaker 1: Republicans were able to win back the House of Delegates.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and that came with the wave of Governor Younkin,

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Speaker 5: who we saw national news come out with this parent's

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Speaker 5: right sort of thing that happened primarily in my district

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Speaker 5: here in Louding County, Virginia.

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Speaker 1: And then we were subjected to cycles and cycles about

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Speaker 1: how what a genius Youngkin was because he wore a

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Speaker 1: red vast and didn't advertise himself to be a total fascist,

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Speaker 1: unlike a lot of other Republican governors. Explain to us

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Speaker 1: what his gubernatorial record has been like, because I think

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Speaker 1: some of us in the national press got the idea

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Speaker 1: that because he was treated as a moderate, he was

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Speaker 1: governing as a moderate. I don't think that's really accurate.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think that's accurate either, But that is

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Speaker 5: the press that he's been able to get. But that

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Speaker 5: is in large part due to the fact of what

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Speaker 5: we call the blue brick wall in the Senate.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 5: So whatever Youngkin's agenda is it has been routinely stopped

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Speaker 5: by Virginia State senators.

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Speaker 3: Can you say more about that.

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Speaker 1: Give me an example of something he tried to pass

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Speaker 1: that you were able to stop.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a false lieu of bills, right that he's

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Speaker 5: put forward. That are these more extremist type bills that

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Speaker 5: we have seen from these maga Republicans, right, that have

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Speaker 5: only been stopped in the Senate, and those include things

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Speaker 5: like wanting to be able to access menstrual data from

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Speaker 5: him and through search warrant, which is used of course

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Speaker 5: in criminal prosecution, wanting to outright being abortion altogether. You know,

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Speaker 5: we've just seen bill after bill after bill that has

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Speaker 5: been these these extremist magal like positions.

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Speaker 3: So Youngkin is not up now.

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Speaker 5: Youngkin is not up for election this year. That's exactly right.

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Speaker 5: There has been national press over the issue, and Youngin

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Speaker 5: himself has said that his focus right now is on

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Speaker 5: trying to flip the Senate right and making sure that

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Speaker 5: he has that Republican trifecta, the Republican governorship, the Republican

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Speaker 5: House of Delegates, and a Republican Senate, with the goal

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Speaker 5: of being able to enact the agenda that he has

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Speaker 5: been wanting to enact and using that as a launchpad

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Speaker 5: to run for president.

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Speaker 1: So if he is able to do that, tell us

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Speaker 1: what it will look like. If Youngkin is able to

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Speaker 1: flip the House of Delegates read and keep the Senate.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, if he's able to flip the Senate and keep

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Speaker 5: the House of Delegates red, then there is no more

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Speaker 5: blockade to these extremist bills that I that I previously referenced.

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Speaker 5: There is no stopping it. And we've seen nothing from

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Speaker 5: Republicans on wanting to limit or tamp down or stand

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Speaker 5: up to any of those sort of extremist agendas. There

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Speaker 5: have already been numerous people here out here, Republicans running

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Speaker 5: for office who have talked about, you know, wanting to

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Speaker 5: be an abortion altogether. And you know, if you think

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Speaker 5: about it, it makes sense. If Youngkin wants to run

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Speaker 5: for president, he still has the issue of trying to

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Speaker 5: win over all of those MAGA supporters and pulling them

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Speaker 5: from Trump. There's one way to do that, and that's

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Speaker 5: by running on a MAGA agenda. We expect that those

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Speaker 5: bills and those things that haven't put forward, that have

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Speaker 5: been stopped by the Senate will now would then proceed

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Speaker 5: forward and that Virginia would become the next Florida.

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Speaker 3: That would mean abortion access. What else would that mean?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean abortion access is huge because Virginia is

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Speaker 5: the last state in the South that does not yet

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Speaker 5: have a ban on abortions, and so we have seen

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Speaker 5: an uptick across the state and folks who are coming

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Speaker 5: here from states in the South relying of virgin as

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Speaker 5: their access to abortions. So it would mean that and

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Speaker 5: we've seen what that means for women who are separating miscarriages,

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Speaker 5: doctors fleeing the state, women being sent out to their

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Speaker 5: car to bleed out. It also will mean Democrats made

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Speaker 5: great strides in extending ability to vote through early voting,

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Speaker 5: through no fault apps and tee voting, so we would

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Speaker 5: see a rollback. We expect to see a rollback on

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Speaker 5: all of those things, which then, of course could have

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Speaker 5: further impacts on the presidential election next year when people

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Speaker 5: are unable to get to the ballot box and to vote.

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Speaker 5: We expect to also see environmental impacts. Governor Youngcan has

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Speaker 5: already tried to pull is trying to pull Virginia out

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Speaker 5: of the Regional greenhouse Gas initiative that was a something

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Speaker 5: put in place by Democrats whenever they had control to

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Speaker 5: reduce carbon emissions here in Virginia, and so we expect

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Speaker 5: that we will see it in a number of things. Certainly,

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Speaker 5: book banning has been big here in Virginia, and of

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Speaker 5: course in the schools, we expect that we will see

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Speaker 5: funding diverted away from public schools through vouchers. You know,

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Speaker 5: we've seen rewriting of history here in Virginia and a

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Speaker 5: rollback of what kids learn in school.

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Speaker 1: If young Kin is able to flip both the House

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Speaker 1: of Delegates and keep the Senate, will he be able

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Speaker 1: to turn Virginia into Florida.

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Speaker 5: I think if he is able to flip the Senate

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Speaker 5: and keep the House of Delegates, yeah, I don't there

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Speaker 5: won't be anything left to stop him from turning Virginia

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Speaker 5: into Florida. Democrats won a special election in January of

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Speaker 5: this year that gives us one cushion seat, but because

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Speaker 5: of redistricting. I should have mentioned that all of the

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Speaker 5: seats here in Virginia were redistricted, and this is the

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Speaker 5: first year after redistricting, and so really all of this

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Speaker 5: comes down to what happens in my race in this

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Speaker 5: seat this year what direction Virginia ends up taking. And

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Speaker 5: Virginia is always a bellweather state.

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Speaker 1: Right, if Democrats don't win, will be subjected to some

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Speaker 1: of the worst pundentrary known to man.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's right.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, But also you guys will lose all your rights,

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Speaker 1: so that's also bad. But I'm more importantly for us

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Speaker 1: on the national level. No, I'm just kidding. No, there's

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Speaker 1: nothing funny about losing all your rights. And it really

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Speaker 1: is scary that Virginia, which is very much a purple state,

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Speaker 1: could become Florida, which is very much now a complete cryptocracy.

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Speaker 3: Talk to us about your opponent.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so my opponent moved into the district to run

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Speaker 5: for this race. He is the son of a billionaire.

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Speaker 5: He has no ties to this district and moved in

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Speaker 5: here at the end of last year, right before the

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Speaker 5: deadline to move in one week. He closed on his

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Speaker 5: house one week before the deadline.

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Speaker 3: Amazing, at least he bought a house.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he is not to be flippant, but we've

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Speaker 1: seen Republicans run with lass I'm looking at you, Josh Hawley.

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Speaker 5: But yes, continue, well, I will say he has a

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Speaker 5: little bit of a cashier uanity. He's the son of

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Speaker 5: a billionaire his father to be, so he bought a

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Speaker 5: house here to run for this seat. He is very

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Speaker 5: much pursuing the Youngin model. When Youngkin ran in twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty one, almost from day one, he bought house here.

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Speaker 5: I guess I should say, I don't know where he

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Speaker 5: stays at night, and immediately sued the school board and

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Speaker 5: has been seen on you know, parents rights, parents rights

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Speaker 5: much less like Youngkin has, even though he doesn't have

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Speaker 5: any children in Latin cutting public schools.

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Speaker 3: So your opponent is suing.

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Speaker 1: The schools despite the fact that he does not have

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Speaker 1: children in the schools.

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Speaker 5: That's exactly right, first order of business. That's exactly what

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Speaker 5: he did.

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Speaker 3: Incredible stuff.

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Speaker 1: Explain to me this parents rights thing, because it's pretty interesting.

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Speaker 1: It seems to me as if Republicans saw that parents

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Speaker 1: were upset about COVID wanted to run on that.

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Speaker 3: Then COVID.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately for them, COVID restrictions ended, so they had to

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Speaker 1: find something else to fill in this idea of parents' rights,

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Speaker 1: and they picked books.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's roughly accurate.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 5: It's interesting. There's been a lot of writing here lately

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Speaker 5: about where this idea of parents rights, where it came from.

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Speaker 5: And it actually came out of a very conservative evangelical

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Speaker 5: movement that was originally intended to try to, you know,

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Speaker 5: put forward this Christian agenda and to get funding out

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Speaker 5: of public schools so that kids could be you know,

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Speaker 5: get money at homeschool or in schools. You know, Republicans

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Speaker 5: have been able to successfully use it with the COVID mandates,

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Speaker 5: and of course, like with books and education and what's

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Speaker 5: being taught. And of course parents matter. I am a parent.

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Speaker 5: I'm a parent to two children who actually attend Lend

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Speaker 5: County public schools and have for their My father was

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Speaker 5: a public school teacher, my mother was as well. Parents matter,

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Speaker 5: of course they do. I don't think anyone thinks parents

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Speaker 5: don't matter. The question is in education. Really you're looking

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Speaker 5: at a multi light stool. Parents matter, kids matter, teachers matter.

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Speaker 5: To sort of use this to sort of come in

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Speaker 5: here and stir the pot when you don't live here,

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Speaker 5: and then sort of walk back after you've thrown that grenade,

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Speaker 5: and I think is disingenuous at best. And our kids

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Speaker 5: are depending on us, as the adults in the room,

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Speaker 5: to do everything we can to make sure they get

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Speaker 5: the best education and that they are protected at school.

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Speaker 5: And I think that should be the focus, and it

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Speaker 5: seems instead that we just are seeing politics injected here

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Speaker 5: into Ladin County public schools in particular.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think your district is such a hop

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Speaker 1: ad here?

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Speaker 5: I think that part of it is because it's a

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Speaker 5: purple district. I think part of it is Louden is

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Speaker 5: a suburb, right, and so my district includes Loudin and

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Speaker 5: Fakier County. But Louden is a suburb, and we have

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Speaker 5: a lot of educated parents, you know, who, of course,

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Speaker 5: much like myself, care very deeply about their children. I

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Speaker 5: think that what has happened here is a little bit

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Speaker 5: politics of fear. Of course, parents want the best for

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Speaker 5: their kids. I want the best for my kids, and

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Speaker 5: I want them to have the best education, and so

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Speaker 5: coming in and talking about and saying things that are true,

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Speaker 5: and of course, you know, all of us get sort

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Speaker 5: of that mama been air instinct to protect our kids.

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Speaker 5: But I think they've been able to spin that in

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Speaker 5: a way to make parents afraid of what's happening. And

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Speaker 5: you know, there have been other mistakes that have been

945
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Speaker 5: made right by a variety of entities. It's not totally unwarranted.

946
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Speaker 5: But I think what's happening here is just continuing to

947
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Speaker 5: stir the pot, as opposed to sitting down and having

948
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Speaker 5: actual conversations about where mistakes were made, where things could

949
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Speaker 5: be done better, and seeking to correct them, as opposed

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Speaker 5: to sort of what's happening here, you know, which is

951
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Speaker 5: just causing teachers to leave, you know, they're getting treated terribly,

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Speaker 5: and just a variety of other things, as opposed to

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Speaker 5: actually sitting down and trying to solve some problems.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so early voting starts on September twenty second. If

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Speaker 1: you're listening to this podcast, what do you need?

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Speaker 5: The biggest thing I need right now is money. I'm

957
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Speaker 5: running against the son of a billionaire and the force

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Speaker 5: of the Virginia governor. The governor we're talking about my opponent.

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Speaker 5: My opponent is heavily backed by Governor youngkin Es here

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Speaker 5: in the district campaigning for him. Going back to the

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Speaker 5: more extremist stuff, my opponent has given a lot of

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Speaker 5: money to some of the abortion extremists that we have seen,

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Speaker 5: who you know, say abortion is similar to the Holocaust

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Speaker 5: and other just really egregious statements and has donated to

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Speaker 5: Rixiyan Tum, who doesn't believe in contraception. But what I

966
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Speaker 5: need is money to make sure that voters are informed

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Speaker 5: this is an off off year election, no governor's race,

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Speaker 5: no presidential race. To get people out to the ballot

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Speaker 5: box to vote and make sure they know exactly what's

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Speaker 5: on the line, to make sure that they know that

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Speaker 5: this is not some sort of a moderate play at something,

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Speaker 5: that they look at the actions of what people are

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Speaker 5: doing and are aware of them. And so the DC

974
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Speaker 5: media market is incredibly expensive. We're up on TV right now.

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Speaker 5: We have been since Thursday with an ad. I'm a

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Speaker 5: former prosecutor. I started out in domestic violence and sex

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Speaker 5: crimes and was a prosecutor for about ten years here

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Speaker 5: in this district and also served over the Central Intelligence

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Speaker 5: agencies for several years. And it is just about making

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Speaker 5: sure we can get our message out and making sure

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Speaker 5: we have people hitting the doors and we have money

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Speaker 5: to stay up on television and send mailers and get

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Speaker 5: up on digital ads as well.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on this podcast. This

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Speaker 1: is one of these races that is going to be

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Speaker 1: incredibly important and meaningful. It could end up being a

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Speaker 1: question of whether or not women in Virginia are able

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Speaker 1: to get the medical care they need.

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Speaker 3: And that's incredible stuff.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, not just here, but there are women across the

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Speaker 5: South who are depending on us as well. That's exactly right.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. I hope you'll come back.

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Speaker 5: No, thank you so much for having me. If I

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Speaker 5: can just put my website out there for folks, it

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Speaker 5: on there you can click donate.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 5: We have folks who have contributed and dug deep in

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Speaker 5: their pocketbooks from all over the country, and we're incredibly

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Speaker 5: grateful as we try to preserve these rights, not just

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Speaker 5: here in Virginia, but send a message to the country

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Speaker 5: about how people feel about people coming after politicians coming

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Speaker 5: after their rights.

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Speaker 1: Romney said. In twenty twenty two. Romney said he imagined

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