WEBVTT - More Game of Thrones, Sentient Planets, and the Roswell McDonalds

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<v Speaker 1>It's eleven fifty seven pm in Irwindale, California, at the

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<v Speaker 1>Renaissance Fair, and you're listening to Night Call. Hello, and

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to Night Call, a podcast for your brand days

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<v Speaker 1>and frandly nights. My name is Molly Lamport and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>here in Los Angeles with Tess Lynch and over in

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<v Speaker 1>New York. We have as always Emily Oshda, Molly, you

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<v Speaker 1>make Game of Thrones references without even meaning to. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a character called Friendly Barathian in seasons one and two

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<v Speaker 1>of Game of Thrones. You're a super fan. It's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what a friend of Night Call, Starley kind kept

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<v Speaker 1>telling me when we went to the Renfair together with

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<v Speaker 1>other friend of Night Call, Jane Mrie on Star Studied

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<v Speaker 1>podcast team. Yeah, that's like a real that's like a

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<v Speaker 1>meet up of the ages. It's a convention and convention

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<v Speaker 1>a coven of podcasters. We enjoyed a fried artichoke and

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<v Speaker 1>a baked potato, many many festivities were had, and just

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<v Speaker 1>like in the old world, just like olden times, it

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<v Speaker 1>was great. But Starley is a big Game of Thrones fan. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>as we discussed last week, and this time she kept

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<v Speaker 1>pointing at people and going, oh, hey, do you like that?

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<v Speaker 1>And I'd be like, yeah, yeah, that's cute. She got

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<v Speaker 1>then you like Game of Thrones. That's Game of Thrones.

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<v Speaker 1>You like it. It's a compelling argument. It was great.

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<v Speaker 1>She like pointed as like a girl. It was probably

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<v Speaker 1>like Aria suppresses Aria or something, and she was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you like that outfit. I was like, good cosplay. She's like, boom,

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<v Speaker 1>you're a huge Game of Thrones fan. She got me.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I went to the Renfair. You're halfway do

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<v Speaker 1>you love? You love medieval times? Well, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>like the like the juck to position. Also, yeah, stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of people just like wearing sublime shirts

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<v Speaker 1>at the unfair. There's like a combo of people so

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<v Speaker 1>dressed up in people just wearing a raider's jersey and

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<v Speaker 1>flipops like they do every day. And that's what I

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<v Speaker 1>love about it. It's beautiful to me. And and they

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<v Speaker 1>have those right, there's no dress code at their unfair.

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<v Speaker 1>And they have those things where there's like a bubble

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<v Speaker 1>that a kid can run around into, like the hamster

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<v Speaker 1>ball type thing on water. There's like a Lady of

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<v Speaker 1>the Lake. Uh. Starley had an inquiry for miladies. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we definitely want to hear Starley's call and this Nightcall

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<v Speaker 1>and in general, we are going to take a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of night calls today because it's been a second we

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<v Speaker 1>know we've got a backlog of calls we want to

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<v Speaker 1>get to, so we're gonna have a regular call fest

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<v Speaker 1>now onto the night calls. All right, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>nightcall from Starley. Technically it is a night recording night

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<v Speaker 1>field recording that we did in the car on the

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<v Speaker 1>way home from the Renfair while we were still talking

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<v Speaker 1>about Game of Thrones. Here it is, this is starlely Kine.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a question for night Call, specifically for Emily,

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<v Speaker 1>since Molly doesn't watch Game of Thrones even though she'd

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<v Speaker 1>love it. Uh my question Emily is who are you

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<v Speaker 1>personally rooting m M I think it's I'm a assuming

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<v Speaker 1>that you want both these people to die, but who

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to die? More? John dun Snow or

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<v Speaker 1>police Emily, who who are you rooting for? To die?

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna stall

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<v Speaker 1>for a second. Here, keep everybody in suspense, um so,

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<v Speaker 1>and and this is with with all of the love

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<v Speaker 1>in my heart. I watched the last season of Game

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<v Speaker 1>of Thrones with the One and Only stay Kine Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I would bring over bottle of wine to her apartment,

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<v Speaker 1>and I feel like most of it would be drunk

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<v Speaker 1>by the time the episode started, and it was really fun.

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<v Speaker 1>And usually I watched the show by myself, so it

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<v Speaker 1>was it was fun to have somebody to like, yell

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<v Speaker 1>at the TV with. Then, as this season was coming up,

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<v Speaker 1>I went back and I was, you know, just trying

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<v Speaker 1>to brush up, like remember where we were. And I

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<v Speaker 1>started to watch the last season before this um, which

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<v Speaker 1>was really short. It was like seven episodes or something.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not remember for most of the stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>happened in that season, Like all the rest of the seasons,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I had watched the episodes at least twice

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<v Speaker 1>because I was writing about them, so i'd have to

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<v Speaker 1>go back and see what happened. But I do feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I missed Starley this time around, like we became

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<v Speaker 1>Game of Thrones buddies. So um, so I appreciate this

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<v Speaker 1>question in more ways than one. I think Starley makes

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<v Speaker 1>a strong argument just for watching Game of Thrones with Starle. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she's like the most opinionated person to watch the show with. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it's uh, it's real fun. She's got takes usually, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she's got takes, and I like to argue with people

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<v Speaker 1>whose opinions are like not mine. Right, we have a

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<v Speaker 1>good podcast, but also my conversation is fun. So hey,

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<v Speaker 1>because she's setting you up in some way, does she

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<v Speaker 1>know what you are going to answer this question already? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think she does, but I mean I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if the answer is what she thinks it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be. I mean, if I had to pick, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think either of these people are going to die,

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<v Speaker 1>but if one person dies, it's probably going to be

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<v Speaker 1>drawn snow and I Rachel just looked at me in

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<v Speaker 1>the most incriminating way. Well, let's just like, have it

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<v Speaker 1>be clear that he has already died and then got back. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a long story. Is he a ghost? Now? The

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<v Speaker 1>Lord of Light brought him back? Because it was foretold

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<v Speaker 1>that he would you know, necessary to be a ghost

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<v Speaker 1>wins the Game of Thrones, he's not a ghost. If

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<v Speaker 1>a ghost word to win the Game of Thrones doesn't count,

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<v Speaker 1>or do you get like a mull again, he's not

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<v Speaker 1>a ghost. Well, if he's brought back from the dead,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a zombie. At theast, he's kind of well, there

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<v Speaker 1>are there are several people who have been brought back

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<v Speaker 1>to like by the Lord of Light, and they are

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like, they're telling me people. You're telling me

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<v Speaker 1>people can die on the show and be brought back

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<v Speaker 1>immediately your favorite sounds like a cool show. It's extremely

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<v Speaker 1>like specific circumstances. Well, like Dan said last week, it's

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<v Speaker 1>really rare for there to be this kind of magic,

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<v Speaker 1>but it does happen. But when it happens, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>to be jerked around by a show into thinking that

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<v Speaker 1>your beloved characters have died and then a wizard goes

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<v Speaker 1>whoop and they're like, oh, they're alive again. Caring to

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<v Speaker 1>every bath. So we meet a lesser character, more minor

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<v Speaker 1>character who's had this happened to him before we meet

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<v Speaker 1>John Snow So it's not like we didn't know this

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<v Speaker 1>could happen. We just knew it was. The President has

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<v Speaker 1>been said, I'm going to answer that, like I think

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard of you know that. I'm here to answer

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<v Speaker 1>stars I'm going to answer Starley's question. I want all

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<v Speaker 1>of them to die? Cool? All men must die? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he loved Game of Thrones. I do I say that

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<v Speaker 1>all the time? All men must die? It's vulis um. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And in the spirit of that, like, I hope that

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<v Speaker 1>John Snow dies more than Kalisi. Yeah, I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>think it makes less sense. Like I don't think it

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<v Speaker 1>would be very satisfying for Kalisi to die. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like the r is going to be pulled out of

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<v Speaker 1>her in some way or another. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>that necessarily means she's going to die. Maybe they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to pull that bad rug off her head finally and

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<v Speaker 1>be like, we have an expensive budget, but the wigs

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<v Speaker 1>on the show are so bad and unbelievable. The Roastmaster

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<v Speaker 1>has arrived. Tests you're also the Game of Rists. More

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<v Speaker 1>of the roasts of the Roast is Nichol would love

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<v Speaker 1>to host your roast. Please hire a night called it

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<v Speaker 1>roast hosts Um where we'd be like the friendliest gentlest

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<v Speaker 1>rost hoasts unless we forget to roast people. Halfway through.

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<v Speaker 1>We just suvied we don't roast. It's a warm bath.

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<v Speaker 1>Um test, Uh, Molly Test. You're also a Game of

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<v Speaker 1>the Rones fan? Do you have a feeling about this?

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<v Speaker 1>Who would I prefer whom? Who would I prefer to die?

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<v Speaker 1>John Snow or Denarest Targarion. Yes, I would prefer John

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<v Speaker 1>Snow to die because a he already has and be

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<v Speaker 1>I yeah, I think that. Like I'm the only person

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<v Speaker 1>who saw a last Night's episode, which is now two

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<v Speaker 1>episodes in the past. If you're listening to this, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I have not been wowed by John Snow's

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<v Speaker 1>charisma in a while. I'm kind of over it. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a as we all know, I'm a Denarest fan. Last

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<v Speaker 1>night and this is not a spoiler, but let me

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<v Speaker 1>just say that there's a scene where they're at a

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<v Speaker 1>party and Denarest is like sitting there looking at everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>She's super paranoid, like everyone's you know, gonna take me down,

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone's talking about me. Really identified with that. I need

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<v Speaker 1>to keep her around for that reason. It's like I

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<v Speaker 1>know that feeling Nearest is like hit the bong and

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<v Speaker 1>she's just like, I don't know if it seems like

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<v Speaker 1>everyone hates me here terrible Ever since I saw that

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<v Speaker 1>meme about how John snow looks just like George Costanza. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>cannot unsee a riveting joust, a riveting chouse. Indeed, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>betting on brand Brand. I mean, it's clear you don't

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<v Speaker 1>watch the show if you're betting. But I watched Veep

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<v Speaker 1>and I think Veep is going to end with Split

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<v Speaker 1>being president, which is my dream. And I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>you just always bet on like the person that nobody

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<v Speaker 1>would bet on. Oh, you mean you're brand seems to

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<v Speaker 1>know he's on the way out to win the game.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I thought you were betting on it. I was like, what, No,

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<v Speaker 1>both are very unlike brands. Molly calls a game. He's

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<v Speaker 1>not even brand anymore, Molly three eyed, he's a three

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<v Speaker 1>eyed raven. Was not the appearance of the three eyed

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<v Speaker 1>snake and Nature let me know that three raven is

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<v Speaker 1>gonna win. Speaking of the three eyed snake, yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>know how that is definitely the night Call mascot of

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<v Speaker 1>the month. Yeah, we love it. Moving on to more

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<v Speaker 1>creepy things, I believe we have an email regarding Roswell. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we have a somewhat belated but nonetheless incredibly appreciated email

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<v Speaker 1>from Usenia, who is a Roswell native. While ago we

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<v Speaker 1>were asking if there was anybody that listened to our

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<v Speaker 1>show who was Roswell resident or a former resident or native,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, yeah, we heard back from U Senia and

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<v Speaker 1>it was with a great email to get. So I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just read it. Hey, night call pot. I am finally writing,

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<v Speaker 1>even though your first episode wrangled me in with it's

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<v Speaker 1>whatever time it was in Roswell, New Mexico. Since then,

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<v Speaker 1>there's been a lot of Roswell chats, so I felt

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<v Speaker 1>I had to write in as a native of the

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<v Speaker 1>city parentheses town. I was born and grew up in

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<v Speaker 1>Roswell and left when I went to college, but my

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<v Speaker 1>family is still there, so I visit. It really is

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<v Speaker 1>such a small place, fewer than fifty thou people, so

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<v Speaker 1>it was always really interesting to us as children when

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<v Speaker 1>people would come from all over to hang out with

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<v Speaker 1>the aliens. I'm neither confirming nor denying that they're still here.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember our family took a trip to New York

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<v Speaker 1>when the Roswell show was at its peak, and my

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<v Speaker 1>sister and I saw a billboard of the show and

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<v Speaker 1>just turned to each other and laughed. The significance has

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<v Speaker 1>only really hit me as I've lived outside for ten years,

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<v Speaker 1>and it always starts cool conversation with people realize I'm

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<v Speaker 1>from there. Roswell definitely caters to the tourism. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>UFO McDonald's the lamp Post downtown or Alien Heads, and

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<v Speaker 1>the main theater is called Galaxy eight with a ufosque front.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also a UFO museum and people love taking pics

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<v Speaker 1>of the Roswell City limit sign not to mention alien

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<v Speaker 1>paraphernalia everywhere, and of course the UFO crash site, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a little north of the actual city, though I

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<v Speaker 1>have to admit I've not visited. It's a big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it, and I'm sure Roswell, New Mexico does too.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll send a postcard next time i'm down there. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much. You said, yeah, this is great. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this is sort of how I would imagine it, like

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<v Speaker 1>even the UFO McDonald's that like, even the national and

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<v Speaker 1>international chains will like catch Roswell fever if they have

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<v Speaker 1>an outpost there. It seems very appropriate. This made me

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<v Speaker 1>want to go to Roswell so bad. There are been

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of things that have made us want to

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<v Speaker 1>go to Roswell. To be honest, yeah, we send night

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<v Speaker 1>called Roswald. I'm kind of jealous. I mean, I love

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<v Speaker 1>l A, but like it could use that extra layer

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<v Speaker 1>of like a weird event. That's not bad. Oh, we

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<v Speaker 1>have too many weird events what they're all about, But

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<v Speaker 1>what about like a not a neutral weird event to

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<v Speaker 1>add a layer. It's like a clarity of theme with Roswell.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like there's lots of weird stuff in l A

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<v Speaker 1>and it's all kind of competing for your attention, and

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<v Speaker 1>you can like ride different wavelengths of weird l A

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<v Speaker 1>history to go down and then places to get your

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<v Speaker 1>picture taken or whatever. But like the fact that Roswell

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<v Speaker 1>is just all about this one thing is really pure.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like LA doesn't have a central theme or location.

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<v Speaker 1>Well it's I feel like it does have like central themes.

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<v Speaker 1>There are a few themes, I mean. And also we

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<v Speaker 1>have like some good ghosts, very big fan of our ghosts.

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<v Speaker 1>What if you're not what if you don't believe in

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<v Speaker 1>Aliens and you live in Roswell, I must be terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>You must not believe in aliens if you live in Roswell.

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<v Speaker 1>But like, I don't know, like not being the protagonist

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<v Speaker 1>in your own life, I don't know. You just seize

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<v Speaker 1>the opportunity. You don't think everybody just rebels against whatever

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<v Speaker 1>a town is serving them when they're young. No, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to go along with it. Otherwise you're at your out.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why your listeners. If you live in Roswell in

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<v Speaker 1>New Mexico and you don't feel like the protagonist of

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<v Speaker 1>your own life at these times a nightcall I want

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<v Speaker 1>to for no matter where you live, if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>feel like the protagonists, I don't feel like the protagonists

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<v Speaker 1>into something much weirder. I'm sorry why like the protagonist

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<v Speaker 1>and a long time is really unnerving When you start

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<v Speaker 1>feeling an ensemble cast, that's terrible, right, It's great. Nothing

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<v Speaker 1>is better than an ensemble movie. One of my theories

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<v Speaker 1>about Game of Thrones that I said to Starley that

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, this is why I think Game of

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<v Speaker 1>Thrones is good is because I like any ensemble show

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<v Speaker 1>that tricks men into caring about a bunch of female

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<v Speaker 1>characters by seating them with an equal number of male characters,

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<v Speaker 1>which is I think all good ensemble shows. The sopranos,

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<v Speaker 1>like every ensemble show. You're like, ha, you tricked men

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<v Speaker 1>into like getting involved in the emotional lives of like

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<v Speaker 1>a teenage girl because they want to see what happens

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<v Speaker 1>with dragons. Um. Yeah, so bully to you, Thrones, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>bully to you. This email does make me think about

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<v Speaker 1>like like not being into the thing that your town

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<v Speaker 1>or like where you grew up was about, Like like

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<v Speaker 1>the feeling of alienation that is like very common for

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<v Speaker 1>for growing up in any of them place, but when

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<v Speaker 1>that's at like if you grew up in a football town,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, but you like hate football, or you just

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<v Speaker 1>really like, I don't know, lacrosse and stuff, but like

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<v Speaker 1>being being at odds at the thing that your your

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<v Speaker 1>town is known for. Um. I mean that the the

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<v Speaker 1>UFO thing is such a strong idea like around that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do feel like probably a lot of l

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<v Speaker 1>A kids grow up feeling really like alienated from show

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<v Speaker 1>business or or you know, any of that. Probably as

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<v Speaker 1>many kids who grow up and want to just be

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<v Speaker 1>actors or directors or whatever too. But and what about

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<v Speaker 1>the people who live in Maine but they're allergic to shellfish? Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>That's terrible. That's worse. That's worse, honestly, because if you

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<v Speaker 1>believe in aliens or not, that doesn't affect your ability

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<v Speaker 1>to appreciate like all the alien kitch stuff that goes on.

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<v Speaker 1>Still better than being from Connecticut, where the theme is

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<v Speaker 1>repression Connecticut. Yeah, And if you can't do the thing

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<v Speaker 1>like as I say so eloquently, or to have the

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<v Speaker 1>good thing where it's good, like I like lobsters in

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<v Speaker 1>Maine or something, if you can't do that, that always

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<v Speaker 1>feels like a bummer, Like if you're lactose intolerant and

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<v Speaker 1>you live in Wisconsin, for example. Exactly exactly, Guys, I

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<v Speaker 1>think we should take another night call this one. I've

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<v Speaker 1>been thinking about this one a lot. Okay, So this

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<v Speaker 1>one comes from a m HI test Emily and Molly.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm listening to Night Call sixty three. The scary statistic

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<v Speaker 1>you cited about panies using data on their employees movements

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<v Speaker 1>reminded me that a temporary job I had at I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to redact this in Queens required me to submit

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<v Speaker 1>biometric data at the start and end of every shift.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's how it worked. After signing my employment contract, a

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<v Speaker 1>manager told me to stand against a wall in the store.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know what was happening until she had me

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<v Speaker 1>move my head up and down, and I realized a

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<v Speaker 1>camera was reading my face. We clocked in and out

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<v Speaker 1>of shifts by putting our faces in front of a scanner,

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<v Speaker 1>and could only unlock slash log into our registers by

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<v Speaker 1>touching a fingerprint scanner. It didn't really matter that I

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't given my permission to the store's security slash surveillance

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<v Speaker 1>team to collect my data because I needed the job,

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<v Speaker 1>but I still wish they'd offered me a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>opt out. I'm certain it would never occur to the

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<v Speaker 1>stores managers that this was a breach of privacy, or

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<v Speaker 1>that there's any legitimate reason we wouldn't want our biometric

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<v Speaker 1>information in a security database. The scanners sometimes wouldn't work

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<v Speaker 1>if I wore dark lipstick or took my coat and

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<v Speaker 1>hat off. Do you remember seeing stories several years ago

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<v Speaker 1>about makeup and hairstyles that could thwart facial recognition tech.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I've been waiting for the anti surveillance punk.

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<v Speaker 1>Luke to come in fashion since then. Obviously only a

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<v Speaker 1>temporary solution, but a fun one. I wonder if it works.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for this terrifying email. Um, I

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<v Speaker 1>just want to jump right in. Please don't say that

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<v Speaker 1>I just bought one of those space blocker things. What

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<v Speaker 1>are they like a full face shade. Yeah, I posted

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<v Speaker 1>pictures of it. I wore it to the Unfair. It's like, um,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like the visor that goes all the way down,

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<v Speaker 1>like I did see it. I had no idea what

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<v Speaker 1>that was, and we posted it. Vista Viano Vista Viano,

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Sterling's Stress War one, but they're also just popular. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a big like Grandma look in l A.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like interesting, I'm into that you will be

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<v Speaker 1>so that your face. Did you do it for fashion purposes?

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<v Speaker 1>I did it for sun purposes because I was going

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<v Speaker 1>to the Unfair, which is an early it's super sunny. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And also I just found one that I've been like

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about getting one for a long time, and then

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<v Speaker 1>night called friend to create a longworth had one, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, I totally do want one. I

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<v Speaker 1>just do it. And then I was wearing it around

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<v Speaker 1>and it was like the most amazing feeling because people

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<v Speaker 1>can't see your face. It's incredible. You walk around it

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<v Speaker 1>almost seems impolite. It's it's amazing because also like if

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<v Speaker 1>you're a woman, especially, it's like, oh, men cannot see

0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:30.199
<v Speaker 1>your face. They can't even see if you're smiling. They like,

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<v Speaker 1>you can see your body, but who cares it can't

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<v Speaker 1>see your face. It's amazing. I love it. But does

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<v Speaker 1>does that inhibit your ability to like connect with people? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I've found about the point for wearing it

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<v Speaker 1>for a whole day because it's kind of amazing because

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<v Speaker 1>it's like you have this little like bubble around you.

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<v Speaker 1>I was also like, yeah, I was just like vaping

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<v Speaker 1>inside of it. I was very like you were hot

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<v Speaker 1>boxing your own head, my little cocoon um. But you

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<v Speaker 1>still get a Darth Vader from talking under it voice.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think it's healthy? It? Is it breathable? Like

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<v Speaker 1>is there a air circulation? I mean it's just a shade,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's it's not like hockey mask or like a

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<v Speaker 1>or yeah, like a fencing mask or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Fencing mask would also be a good look now. And

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<v Speaker 1>also Jane Murray was like some dudes might just be

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<v Speaker 1>into that. That's true too, just a body, especially if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wearing it on like Star Wars day and it's

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<v Speaker 1>a little Stormtrooper. But it is really fun. I do

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<v Speaker 1>recommend it if you're going to like the beach or something,

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<v Speaker 1>check it out. I don't know how i'd feel walking

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<v Speaker 1>around without my face in front of me, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean. I'm an overwear of sunglasses. Like I

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<v Speaker 1>wear sunglasses on cloudy days. I started doing it because

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<v Speaker 1>I squint in the sun really badly and it would

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<v Speaker 1>like hurt my face all day if I was like

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<v Speaker 1>I remember like on snowy days in Iowa, if I

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<v Speaker 1>was like squinting all day, then my face would her

0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:01.960
<v Speaker 1>you get a headache? Yeah, yeah. So I started wearing

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<v Speaker 1>sunglasses really obsessively, like all the time. I can't leave

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<v Speaker 1>the house without sunglasses even if it's raining, and that

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like affords enough freedom. It makes you look

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<v Speaker 1>like an asshole, which I also kind of like, um,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, nobody's going to really try to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to you, like on the training. That's funny. I always

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't wear sunglasses for like until I was like

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen or something because I thought they were like pretentious.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a really hard time wearing sunglasses because the

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<v Speaker 1>difference between my peripheral vision and my forward vision gives

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<v Speaker 1>me like a little bit of a vertigo, a shield

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<v Speaker 1>that covers your whole face. But my problem, as Molly knows,

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<v Speaker 1>from hanging out for a long time at random like corners,

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<v Speaker 1>I really I like talking to strangers. It's like it

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<v Speaker 1>gives me my juice. Not always, I mean definitely, not always,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've I've kind of like it's become part of

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<v Speaker 1>the texture of my life that I wouldn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>get rid. I'd be like sad if people if I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't connect with people's faces. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>like this, you know, the sunglasses issue, Well, it's interesting

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<v Speaker 1>to think about using it as a facial recognition technology blocker.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true, I wonder if it would work because I

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<v Speaker 1>love that idea. And also that whole story about getting

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<v Speaker 1>the biometrics of people at a company is super weird.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's just crazy that you clock in it

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<v Speaker 1>you stand against a wall and like they scan your

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<v Speaker 1>face for you to clock in. It's like what they're

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<v Speaker 1>they're just see It seems like it's all a front

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<v Speaker 1>and I redacted the name of the store where she worked,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was not like a national security firm. She's

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<v Speaker 1>not working at Google, like we can exactly much like

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<v Speaker 1>it's not this like huge high security, Like it feels

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<v Speaker 1>very excessive if if the kind if the business is

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of business that the name makes it sound like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like that all of that tech is really

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<v Speaker 1>really easily compromised too. Like I feel also you can

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<v Speaker 1>take a picture of or like have a full color

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<v Speaker 1>scan of your face pace and like put it in

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<v Speaker 1>front of your head and walk in front of the

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<v Speaker 1>scanner and probably like get away with it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like uh, somebody really wants to take your identity and

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<v Speaker 1>it's just your face, Like I don't know. I like

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<v Speaker 1>that that facial recognition technology will never be as good

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<v Speaker 1>as like a crow is recognizing humans. Well, but I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like we have to say, like crows are extremely intelligent,

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<v Speaker 1>super intelligently intelligent. I just think like the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>putting so much of your identity on your face feels

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<v Speaker 1>like a really like slippery philosophical argument to me, not

0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:40.040
<v Speaker 1>only because like everybody gets work done now and stuff,

0:24:40.040 --> 0:24:44.639
<v Speaker 1>and that's like fairly common. Especially, that's a very philosophically

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<v Speaker 1>scary thing when you look on Instagram and it's like

0:24:47.040 --> 0:24:50.159
<v Speaker 1>every beautiful person has the exact same face. That's a

0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:54.560
<v Speaker 1>very weird phenomenon. Yeah, what if everybody had no face

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<v Speaker 1>at all? That would be worse. No, think about it,

0:24:59.520 --> 0:25:05.240
<v Speaker 1>Like no, that's like the stuff of nightmare, like blank face. Yeah, well,

0:25:05.240 --> 0:25:08.680
<v Speaker 1>this is the shadow people. This is my shadow person experience.

0:25:08.760 --> 0:25:11.200
<v Speaker 1>Was the person with no face? I hate it. There's

0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:13.280
<v Speaker 1>a no face in Dick Tracy. It turns out to

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<v Speaker 1>be Madonna. Then spoiler for Dick Tracy. Look it all

0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:18.560
<v Speaker 1>comes together. We're just talking about Dick Tracy last week.

0:25:19.080 --> 0:25:22.160
<v Speaker 1>One theme. It is all one theme. Well, this this

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<v Speaker 1>email was amazing. Thank you so much for Yes, it

0:25:25.040 --> 0:25:27.760
<v Speaker 1>was awesome. I wanted to stay real quick and like

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<v Speaker 1>kind of on the subject of of of um, I

0:25:30.520 --> 0:25:35.040
<v Speaker 1>guess like future dystopias is that in the broad category.

0:25:35.480 --> 0:25:39.159
<v Speaker 1>I went to Hudson Yards today, Like I wasn't planning

0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:41.199
<v Speaker 1>on it at all, but I went to a screening

0:25:41.280 --> 0:25:44.240
<v Speaker 1>this morning and I happened to run into a buddy

0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:48.280
<v Speaker 1>there and we ended up riding bikes, Like I I

0:25:48.280 --> 0:25:50.560
<v Speaker 1>got a city bike and like I've never biked in

0:25:50.560 --> 0:25:52.520
<v Speaker 1>New York before because it scares me a lot. But

0:25:52.840 --> 0:25:55.600
<v Speaker 1>we we biked up to Hudson Yards. And for those

0:25:55.600 --> 0:25:57.280
<v Speaker 1>of you who don't live in New York or don't

0:25:57.280 --> 0:26:00.040
<v Speaker 1>know about this, Hudson Yards is like this terror of

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<v Speaker 1>fine development that now exists like basically over the Hudson

0:26:05.080 --> 0:26:08.080
<v Speaker 1>Yards like the train yards for UM for Penn Station.

0:26:09.119 --> 0:26:11.520
<v Speaker 1>And it's really kind of in the middle of nowhere,

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<v Speaker 1>like super super west side Midtown, And there wasn't much

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<v Speaker 1>of anything there before except for like the jab At Center,

0:26:18.160 --> 0:26:21.480
<v Speaker 1>but now there's like five I think there are five

0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:27.119
<v Speaker 1>currently um hotels, condo type you know, mixed use buildings,

0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:29.439
<v Speaker 1>and like a big stupid shopping center with like a

0:26:29.480 --> 0:26:32.320
<v Speaker 1>Cardier and a Lululemon in it. And that is what

0:26:32.359 --> 0:26:36.879
<v Speaker 1>the Hudson Yards is. It's the most charmless public space

0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:39.800
<v Speaker 1>I've ever seen. There's actually a really really good, just

0:26:40.160 --> 0:26:42.919
<v Speaker 1>complete burn of it in the New York Times that

0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:45.920
<v Speaker 1>came out about that. I think the day that it opened,

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<v Speaker 1>just about how like anti human the space is, how

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<v Speaker 1>it's it seems so counter to like the needs of

0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:57.520
<v Speaker 1>the city. Like the funny thing is is that the

0:26:57.600 --> 0:27:00.480
<v Speaker 1>high the high line. You guys near the high Line. Um.

0:27:00.520 --> 0:27:05.720
<v Speaker 1>So it goes up all the way to Hudson Yards. Now, oh,

0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:10.000
<v Speaker 1>basically like runs into this wall of like steel and glass.

0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:13.920
<v Speaker 1>It's just like you you went right into the giant skyscraper. Um.

0:27:13.960 --> 0:27:15.679
<v Speaker 1>And it's funny because I think of the Highline as

0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:18.240
<v Speaker 1>being something that like is actually a pretty humanistic and

0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:20.320
<v Speaker 1>like a nice space, even though it's a total people zoo,

0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:24.120
<v Speaker 1>Like it's a nice like thing that they decided to

0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:27.920
<v Speaker 1>put money into it, but it has a purpose. Yeah,

0:27:27.960 --> 0:27:30.840
<v Speaker 1>the Hudson Yards is like totally from this like post

0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:34.560
<v Speaker 1>human dystopia. It's like very There's there's this big thing

0:27:34.560 --> 0:27:38.120
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of it called the vessel. Yeah, that's

0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:41.320
<v Speaker 1>what people have been concentrating on. That is like it's

0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:44.400
<v Speaker 1>like an art installation in the middle and it's literally

0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:48.240
<v Speaker 1>a staircase to nowhere apparently really Yeah, so the vessel.

0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:50.640
<v Speaker 1>The crazy thing about this and this is um, I'm

0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:54.760
<v Speaker 1>looking now at this article on Curbed New York. The

0:27:54.840 --> 0:27:59.200
<v Speaker 1>vessel is basically made to be a Instagram trap because

0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:01.679
<v Speaker 1>it's so crazy looking. It looks like a big like

0:28:02.640 --> 0:28:04.840
<v Speaker 1>our producer Rachel's calling it the shourma. I think that's

0:28:04.880 --> 0:28:07.560
<v Speaker 1>like the nickname that's that they're working on for. People

0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:09.439
<v Speaker 1>are trying to make that one stick because it does

0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:12.720
<v Speaker 1>look like a meat tornado. But people take these pictures

0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:17.520
<v Speaker 1>of it, and uh, there are like terms and conditions

0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:21.840
<v Speaker 1>if you visit the vessel, which means that you agree

0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:25.600
<v Speaker 1>that if you go into the structure. Okay, when you

0:28:26.080 --> 0:28:29.480
<v Speaker 1>a ton of reader's notice that hidden within vessels visitor

0:28:29.800 --> 0:28:32.840
<v Speaker 1>terms and conditions which ticket holders agree to when signing

0:28:32.880 --> 0:28:35.479
<v Speaker 1>up to climb the structure. There's a clause that more

0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:39.000
<v Speaker 1>or less gave Hudson Yards the right to photos, audio recording,

0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:42.200
<v Speaker 1>or video footage depicting or relating to vessel for any

0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:45.560
<v Speaker 1>purpose whatsoever, in any and all media, in either case

0:28:45.720 --> 0:28:49.600
<v Speaker 1>now known or developed later. So like basically, if you

0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:52.440
<v Speaker 1>it's a trap, yeah so you said, that's why you

0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:56.200
<v Speaker 1>said it's a sliver. Yeah, yeah, it's like this, it's

0:28:56.240 --> 0:28:59.080
<v Speaker 1>just a staircase to nowhere that everybody gets like Instagram

0:28:59.120 --> 0:29:01.920
<v Speaker 1>photos in I think I read somewhere else that there's

0:29:02.560 --> 0:29:05.600
<v Speaker 1>photo recognition for it, like the structure, because it's such

0:29:05.640 --> 0:29:08.240
<v Speaker 1>a unique structure, so that like there's some kind of

0:29:08.280 --> 0:29:10.880
<v Speaker 1>algorithm that can tell when somebody has taken a photo

0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:15.120
<v Speaker 1>of the vessel and then can use that to use

0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:17.880
<v Speaker 1>that photo for promotional purposes or whatever they want, Like

0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:22.040
<v Speaker 1>they confined photos of it just like automatically on. So

0:29:22.120 --> 0:29:25.040
<v Speaker 1>it's super scary. Also, if this stuff was even at

0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:27.440
<v Speaker 1>all charming or kind of like fun to look at,

0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:30.480
<v Speaker 1>it would be one thing. But it's so ugly all

0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:33.680
<v Speaker 1>of it. It's so and like everybody goes there because

0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:36.280
<v Speaker 1>they know that they have to get a picture taken there,

0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:38.440
<v Speaker 1>because it's like the Instagram thing now to get your

0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:40.760
<v Speaker 1>picture taken there. But like, what do you do? Like

0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:45.760
<v Speaker 1>what is inside? Nothing? It's just stairs. It's like literally

0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:50.440
<v Speaker 1>it's like a honeycomb thing of stairs that's like a

0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:53.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of half like it's a basket basically, so you

0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:59.760
<v Speaker 1>can car their emergency. It's a great question, I do think,

0:29:59.800 --> 0:30:02.000
<v Speaker 1>so yeah, Like that's why I mean question about it

0:30:02.040 --> 0:30:04.240
<v Speaker 1>seems like a death trap. Yeah. I don't think there's

0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:06.920
<v Speaker 1>an elevator or anything in it. Like it's all stairs,

0:30:07.880 --> 0:30:11.400
<v Speaker 1>so it's not accessible. It looks like a water slide

0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:15.440
<v Speaker 1>that got grounded. You know. It's just like a really

0:30:15.760 --> 0:30:18.800
<v Speaker 1>like it and the super skinny towers in New York

0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:23.440
<v Speaker 1>that like appear overnight that like oligarchs parked their money

0:30:23.480 --> 0:30:29.920
<v Speaker 1>in are like really really great visual metaphors for um. Yeah,

0:30:29.960 --> 0:30:32.840
<v Speaker 1>we have a lot of those two and like the

0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:34.800
<v Speaker 1>other thing we have way too many of now that

0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:36.680
<v Speaker 1>you guys also have a lot of in New York.

0:30:36.760 --> 0:30:40.120
<v Speaker 1>Or those pop up museums that aren't actually museums opening

0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:42.960
<v Speaker 1>one down the street from where we record here called

0:30:42.960 --> 0:30:46.440
<v Speaker 1>the Museum of Fruit that we were getting mad about

0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:48.880
<v Speaker 1>because it's like the space that used to be an

0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:52.120
<v Speaker 1>art store and then it was like recently a Halloween store,

0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:54.520
<v Speaker 1>and then they're turning it into the Museum of Fruit,

0:30:54.640 --> 0:30:57.800
<v Speaker 1>which is like an Instagram thing with different rooms. In

0:30:57.840 --> 0:30:59.880
<v Speaker 1>each room is like a fruit that you take photos

0:30:59.880 --> 0:31:04.440
<v Speaker 1>in front of it. It's like, we need housing, Like

0:31:04.680 --> 0:31:07.680
<v Speaker 1>this is insane. And then I was in the Beverly Center,

0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:11.840
<v Speaker 1>which is another kind of staircase to nowhere. It's been

0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:15.440
<v Speaker 1>under construction for like ten years now, like they finished it,

0:31:15.600 --> 0:31:18.480
<v Speaker 1>but it hasn't like they didn't change anything. It's hilarious.

0:31:18.520 --> 0:31:20.880
<v Speaker 1>They just put this kind of frank Gary great on

0:31:20.920 --> 0:31:26.080
<v Speaker 1>the outside and they're like it's that's it. But on

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:28.520
<v Speaker 1>the top floor it's also like it does a weird

0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:30.560
<v Speaker 1>Labyrinth thing to my brain because it's like they took

0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:32.880
<v Speaker 1>out the movie theater and the food court. So when

0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 1>I go to the top and that's not there anymore,

0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:38.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm like nothing. And it's like being in a video

0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:40.600
<v Speaker 1>game where you like go down the wrong way because

0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:43.440
<v Speaker 1>you're like, I know something is here, but it's not anymore,

0:31:43.560 --> 0:31:46.640
<v Speaker 1>and what they put in its place is nothing. But

0:31:46.720 --> 0:31:50.320
<v Speaker 1>then there's like a Playboy pop up right now, that's

0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:52.880
<v Speaker 1>like I didn't pay because I wouldn't pay for a

0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:56.600
<v Speaker 1>pop up, but it's like the Playboy Museum, like go

0:31:56.720 --> 0:31:58.960
<v Speaker 1>in the room that's a fake Playboy club and take

0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:02.240
<v Speaker 1>your photo in front of some stuff for fifteen dollars. God,

0:32:02.360 --> 0:32:06.280
<v Speaker 1>We're like the word museum is becoming like completely yes,

0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:10.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, and it's we've eroded, right, And it's interesting

0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:13.120
<v Speaker 1>because like obviously the way museums or program did start

0:32:13.120 --> 0:32:16.880
<v Speaker 1>to cater to Instagram, like like they went, you know,

0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:19.760
<v Speaker 1>which was smart to be like you can take photos

0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:22.160
<v Speaker 1>in front of the art, you know. I mean I

0:32:22.200 --> 0:32:25.240
<v Speaker 1>went to the Helma f Clint show, like I did

0:32:25.280 --> 0:32:27.960
<v Speaker 1>my part. I didn't post any photos there, but like,

0:32:28.040 --> 0:32:31.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's not the appeal of that for many

0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:34.080
<v Speaker 1>people like that one. No, but I saw a lot

0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:35.840
<v Speaker 1>of people posting about that one. I thought it was

0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:38.080
<v Speaker 1>funny because I just kept being like Helma clint A

0:32:38.200 --> 0:32:44.040
<v Speaker 1>f totally also she's cool. So no, it was. It

0:32:44.120 --> 0:32:46.400
<v Speaker 1>was a cool show. And it's just like but and

0:32:46.400 --> 0:32:49.280
<v Speaker 1>and and I really, I mean I really genuinely enjoyed it.

0:32:49.680 --> 0:32:52.520
<v Speaker 1>Um but I you know, there were people who were

0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:54.760
<v Speaker 1>just going through and taking a photo of everyone and

0:32:54.800 --> 0:32:56.840
<v Speaker 1>not even like looking at taking a moment to look

0:32:56.880 --> 0:32:59.600
<v Speaker 1>at the art with their own eyes, which is, you know,

0:32:59.840 --> 0:33:03.800
<v Speaker 1>just kind of right. The experience economy has gotten so weird.

0:33:03.880 --> 0:33:05.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm also going to call it now, not that I'm

0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:07.719
<v Speaker 1>going to stop using it, but in a way, I

0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:12.400
<v Speaker 1>think like Instagram might be the most insidious social media

0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:15.480
<v Speaker 1>platform in what way? Go on, Well, I just feel

0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:18.920
<v Speaker 1>like talking about facial recognition and having these kind of

0:33:19.120 --> 0:33:23.920
<v Speaker 1>Instagram traps, like it takes more legwork to kind of

0:33:24.040 --> 0:33:28.200
<v Speaker 1>draw a person to a physical location and then expect

0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 1>to for them to give you exposure. If it's in

0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:34.280
<v Speaker 1>a written piece versus just a picture. I mean, it's

0:33:34.280 --> 0:33:38.440
<v Speaker 1>obviously crosses language barriers. It's like easily interpreted by anyone,

0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:40.760
<v Speaker 1>and there's a lot of data that you can collect

0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:45.120
<v Speaker 1>from that without the person really understanding how they're interacting

0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:49.320
<v Speaker 1>with the platform. I think conversely, TikTok, which is the

0:33:49.400 --> 0:33:51.800
<v Speaker 1>new vine, Yes, I think might be good and save

0:33:51.880 --> 0:33:57.440
<v Speaker 1>us all. It's our old town road came from, right,

0:33:57.440 --> 0:34:00.480
<v Speaker 1>It's it's where old Town Road came from. And then

0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:04.400
<v Speaker 1>Jay Kang has been posting all these amazing he's he

0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:07.680
<v Speaker 1>found a good stream and it's literally a stream called

0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:11.719
<v Speaker 1>of stream cooking. It's like foraging in a stream and

0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:14.520
<v Speaker 1>then cooking in the stream, and it's the most relaxing,

0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:18.680
<v Speaker 1>great cooking in the stream. Yeah, you have to fire

0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:21.440
<v Speaker 1>in the street. I almost don't want to, like spoil

0:34:21.800 --> 0:34:24.319
<v Speaker 1>the one that he posted because it's like, okay, I

0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:26.719
<v Speaker 1>almost screamed when I saw what happened at the end

0:34:26.760 --> 0:34:30.840
<v Speaker 1>of it. I was like so delighted. That's all I'll say.

0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:35.720
<v Speaker 1>All right, but this in the show notes so everyone

0:34:35.800 --> 0:34:40.120
<v Speaker 1>can see slow internet will return, So yeah, it's perfect

0:34:40.120 --> 0:34:42.480
<v Speaker 1>slow Internet. The other thing I think of when it

0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:45.800
<v Speaker 1>comes to Instagram about you know it maybe being secretly

0:34:45.840 --> 0:34:49.680
<v Speaker 1>the most insidious is just the way that's certain visual

0:34:49.800 --> 0:34:53.600
<v Speaker 1>things are normalized in it, or patterns and behaviors are

0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:55.880
<v Speaker 1>just repeated over and over and over again until like

0:34:55.960 --> 0:34:59.560
<v Speaker 1>they become reality. And for some reason, like there's obviously

0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:01.960
<v Speaker 1>the link stick version of that, but then there's the

0:35:02.360 --> 0:35:06.120
<v Speaker 1>like visual version of that. There was an article recently

0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:10.759
<v Speaker 1>in the Atlantic about how the current batch of new

0:35:10.840 --> 0:35:14.560
<v Speaker 1>Instagram influencers are like abandoning what we think of as

0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:19.359
<v Speaker 1>the Instagram aesthetic. Like they're not doing the super bright

0:35:19.719 --> 0:35:23.040
<v Speaker 1>colors and food arranged just so and that kind of

0:35:23.239 --> 0:35:26.080
<v Speaker 1>they're like it's blurrying out of focus. Yeah, yeah, they're

0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:29.719
<v Speaker 1>like deal with it, grunge Instagram. But I still thought

0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:32.000
<v Speaker 1>that was interesting at least, like because you intend to

0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:33.960
<v Speaker 1>think of these things are like the idea of influences

0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:37.360
<v Speaker 1>as being like this big, like just one big movement,

0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:39.359
<v Speaker 1>but the idea that there are some people who are

0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:41.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I also feel like it must be

0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:44.719
<v Speaker 1>so weird for like, like if you're a kid who

0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:49.200
<v Speaker 1>knows people that are making a living as influencers, Yeah, yeah,

0:35:49.360 --> 0:35:51.520
<v Speaker 1>that must shift your perception of like if you're like

0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:54.480
<v Speaker 1>that is what's valuable and like nobody thinks about like

0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:57.960
<v Speaker 1>when will this end? Right? Well, it's also like if

0:35:57.960 --> 0:36:00.680
<v Speaker 1>no career is sustainable, why not go for the career

0:36:00.719 --> 0:36:04.279
<v Speaker 1>that everybody knows is not sustainable, but like burns the brightest. Yeah,

0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:07.359
<v Speaker 1>and at least you're prepared going into it. I also

0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:09.040
<v Speaker 1>just say that the other thing that I think is

0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:13.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of unsettling about Instagram is the story. Well, first

0:36:13.160 --> 0:36:15.880
<v Speaker 1>of all, it's it's the platform that I think is

0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:20.360
<v Speaker 1>most kind of explicitly expecting you to document in real time,

0:36:20.600 --> 0:36:23.800
<v Speaker 1>you know. And I think that the stories feature also

0:36:24.040 --> 0:36:27.640
<v Speaker 1>gives this weird like you're able to really track a

0:36:27.680 --> 0:36:32.240
<v Speaker 1>person's movements. Not that I would, but theoretically you could.

0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:35.040
<v Speaker 1>Like looking at Molly Stories, I was like, okay, she's

0:36:35.080 --> 0:36:37.000
<v Speaker 1>moving through the Renaissance Fair and now she's here, Like

0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:39.359
<v Speaker 1>I can almost do like a map befhere Molly goes,

0:36:39.840 --> 0:36:41.840
<v Speaker 1>and then I could pin it to my bedroom wall

0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:47.759
<v Speaker 1>and in real time I her footsteps and look for

0:36:49.840 --> 0:36:52.359
<v Speaker 1>I think we assume people are posting in real time,

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<v Speaker 1>but I feel like sometimes they're not. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>across the board most people do. It's something that you

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<v Speaker 1>do without thinking, and it's also it seems to be

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<v Speaker 1>like less incriminating. You're not really expressing opinions as off.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go ahead and say I do think about it,

0:37:06.200 --> 0:37:08.480
<v Speaker 1>and I generally post after I'm not at that place

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<v Speaker 1>anymore because I don't want to be so like here's

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<v Speaker 1>where I am right this second. But it's also like

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<v Speaker 1>with Twitter, I think after the Justine on the plane

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<v Speaker 1>thing went, I mean, after everyone realized that, like a

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<v Speaker 1>bad tweet can kind of ruin your day, month, your career, whatever.

0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:24.880
<v Speaker 1>There's there's nothing in Instagram. I mean, you can have

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<v Speaker 1>a terrible Instagram caption, but for the most part, most

0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:30.800
<v Speaker 1>people I follow are not writing like little mini essays.

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<v Speaker 1>Very off harder to get canceled from Instagram. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>harder to get canceled from Instagram, and as a result,

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<v Speaker 1>you can thoughtlessly document things without I mean with Twitter,

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<v Speaker 1>I think now everyone gives like a little more pause

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<v Speaker 1>before they express something exactly. Yeah. No, I remember like seeing, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>like David Chow had Snapchat and I would not. He

0:37:55.080 --> 0:37:57.399
<v Speaker 1>brought it to Disneyland, and I was like, why would

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<v Speaker 1>you document like every five seconds of things that are happening,

0:38:00.480 --> 0:38:02.799
<v Speaker 1>Like who wants that? And then that just became how

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<v Speaker 1>everyone does everything. People do want it? I like, don't.

0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:09.120
<v Speaker 1>I think it's too much the amount of energy that

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<v Speaker 1>it takes for me is like not worth it. I

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<v Speaker 1>I and it's not actually thoughtless for me to post

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<v Speaker 1>a selfie, Like I have so many selfies that I

0:38:16.560 --> 0:38:21.520
<v Speaker 1>was because you're such a director, you have a director's

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm also just like, oh, like I'm going, like

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<v Speaker 1>the top nine photos on my Instagram, it's like if

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<v Speaker 1>any more than three of them are selfies, and I

0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:37.040
<v Speaker 1>start to get really self conscious that that everybody thinks

0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:40.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm just an idiot who post selfies. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>you post too many selfies, Emily, and I would tell

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<v Speaker 1>you if I thought. I think also, once you're past

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<v Speaker 1>a certain age, like it doesn't feel self conscious anymore.

0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:50.560
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like, here's my face, it's what I was,

0:38:50.640 --> 0:38:53.560
<v Speaker 1>part of my body, Like that's all I got. I

0:38:53.560 --> 0:38:55.319
<v Speaker 1>think it took me a long time to be like

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<v Speaker 1>to not feel like it was just really vain to

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<v Speaker 1>post selfies, to be like it's fine to just be

0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:03.879
<v Speaker 1>like I am documenting that I exist. So that's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of the funny thing about launching the Patreon this week

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<v Speaker 1>is that we have like photos of ourselves and video

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<v Speaker 1>out there, and like it's not that we don't have

0:39:11.640 --> 0:39:14.200
<v Speaker 1>photos of ourselves out there, we're just like not primarily,

0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:18.400
<v Speaker 1>I would say, like visually represented people, and there was

0:39:18.440 --> 0:39:21.480
<v Speaker 1>somebody who responded to one of them be like, it's

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<v Speaker 1>so weird to see like sound coming out of their

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<v Speaker 1>mouths at the same time, like a bunch of people.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe yeah, I was like, maybe we've hidden our faces

0:39:32.640 --> 0:39:35.160
<v Speaker 1>like too much. Well, what people don't realize is that

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<v Speaker 1>all of our the whole video was c G I

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<v Speaker 1>and Emily had to computer generate the voice. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that's why I was saying, is a lot of work,

0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:47.880
<v Speaker 1>because she actually related this. Yeah, so much wire work.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, before we wrap up, can we take one

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<v Speaker 1>last night call? Absolutely? Can it be the abject cosmic horror?

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<v Speaker 1>One Okey dokey. This female was from Christian Hey night

0:40:01.920 --> 0:40:05.560
<v Speaker 1>CALLI says, I still love the podcast a lot, whatever

0:40:05.600 --> 0:40:08.080
<v Speaker 1>crazy days and lonely nights are in store for us all.

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<v Speaker 1>In the last episode, you asked about listeners reactions to

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<v Speaker 1>the black hole images, and I can tell you abject

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<v Speaker 1>cosmic horror. Why the online community is celebrating this image

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<v Speaker 1>of a giant piece of nothingness is beyond me. I

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<v Speaker 1>have always had mainly fear of the vastness of space,

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<v Speaker 1>usually bigger than any sense of wonder or awe. However,

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<v Speaker 1>this brings me to a question to you connected to

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<v Speaker 1>this sense of cosmic horror. A few nights ago, my

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<v Speaker 1>girlfriend and I were sitting on my terrorist, drinking white

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<v Speaker 1>wine and looking at the stars. One particularly bright and

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<v Speaker 1>blinking sorry when you say, humble, humble drag. One particularly

0:40:46.960 --> 0:40:49.400
<v Speaker 1>bright and blinking star caught our eye, and my girlfriend's

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<v Speaker 1>night sky app told us it was Arcteris, a red

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<v Speaker 1>giant thirty six light years away and a hundred and

0:40:53.960 --> 0:40:56.640
<v Speaker 1>ten times brighter than our sun. We both shuddered at

0:40:56.680 --> 0:40:59.640
<v Speaker 1>that thought. Then I remembered reading about pan psychism, the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that the entire universe and everything in it, not

0:41:02.680 --> 0:41:05.319
<v Speaker 1>just us, but every tree in rock, has a consciousness.

0:41:06.000 --> 0:41:09.320
<v Speaker 1>One piece of evidence for panpsychism is that stars movements

0:41:09.320 --> 0:41:11.759
<v Speaker 1>in the galaxy seems to be explicable only if we

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<v Speaker 1>assume their own volition. The idea that Arcterris might have

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of incomprehensible consciousness scared my girlfriend even more,

0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:21.399
<v Speaker 1>but I got a weird sense of consolation from it

0:41:21.719 --> 0:41:23.960
<v Speaker 1>that there is this being up there instead of just

0:41:24.040 --> 0:41:27.200
<v Speaker 1>a cloud of very hot gas. Which would you prefer

0:41:27.280 --> 0:41:32.439
<v Speaker 1>and which scares you? More Christian such a good night call.

0:41:32.520 --> 0:41:35.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I know the answer immediately. I mean, the

0:41:35.600 --> 0:41:40.320
<v Speaker 1>lack of consciousness is so much more scary, Like I mean, yes,

0:41:40.440 --> 0:41:42.759
<v Speaker 1>that's a very quick way to feel okay about the

0:41:42.840 --> 0:41:46.640
<v Speaker 1>vastness of space? Is that like some somebody's up there? Um,

0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:49.919
<v Speaker 1>you guys know in Griffith Observatory in the museum part

0:41:50.000 --> 0:41:53.279
<v Speaker 1>like the um there's sort of that downstairs area where

0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:56.520
<v Speaker 1>there's like, um, a huge mural on one side of

0:41:56.560 --> 0:42:00.600
<v Speaker 1>the stars, and it's supposed to be if you hold

0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:03.160
<v Speaker 1>up your finger and you're looking at the night sky

0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:05.480
<v Speaker 1>like your index finger, like kind of close to your face,

0:42:06.280 --> 0:42:09.719
<v Speaker 1>the amount of the night sky that fits into your

0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:13.360
<v Speaker 1>finger is approximately what that part of the wall represents,

0:42:13.400 --> 0:42:16.520
<v Speaker 1>which is about like three stories high. And I don't know,

0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:23.120
<v Speaker 1>it cannot be over overstated how big space is. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I think the thing that's upsetting about that

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<v Speaker 1>is the fact that there's not anything there like that

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<v Speaker 1>as far as we know, or that there's not anything

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<v Speaker 1>comparable to what we understand as being consciousness or life

0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:44.719
<v Speaker 1>or sentience out there. Um. I think that's immensely more

0:42:44.840 --> 0:42:48.839
<v Speaker 1>upseaving than the stars having consciousness. Well, I just want

0:42:48.880 --> 0:42:51.680
<v Speaker 1>to say that the Griffith Park Observatory has been closed

0:42:51.719 --> 0:42:56.920
<v Speaker 1>for the last week and we are starting No, it's fine. Well,

0:42:56.960 --> 0:43:00.360
<v Speaker 1>it's supposedly to install LED lights along the path, but

0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:03.000
<v Speaker 1>at night call we are starting the rumor here you

0:43:03.040 --> 0:43:05.680
<v Speaker 1>heard at first that it's because they found an alien.

0:43:06.360 --> 0:43:11.240
<v Speaker 1>Oh good one, right, I'll totally disseminate that. Okay, great, Molly.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you prefer to think of planets as being sentient

0:43:15.360 --> 0:43:18.120
<v Speaker 1>or just objects? I'm going to tell you, I like

0:43:18.280 --> 0:43:21.719
<v Speaker 1>make everything sentient, whether it wants to be or not.

0:43:21.880 --> 0:43:23.439
<v Speaker 1>Like when I was a kid, I was really into

0:43:23.480 --> 0:43:29.040
<v Speaker 1>like giving numbers personalities exactly. Yea a sign that I

0:43:29.040 --> 0:43:32.440
<v Speaker 1>would not be good at math, be good at world building.

0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:35.160
<v Speaker 1>And that We went to a camp in elementary school

0:43:35.160 --> 0:43:38.720
<v Speaker 1>called Astro Camp. Yeah, that was like a sleepaway camp

0:43:38.760 --> 0:43:41.120
<v Speaker 1>for a couple nights in Idle Wild where it's like

0:43:41.160 --> 0:43:44.279
<v Speaker 1>space themed. Um. But it was like you're supposed to

0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:45.680
<v Speaker 1>go on this night hike, and there was this whole

0:43:45.680 --> 0:43:47.200
<v Speaker 1>thing was like the big thing is the night hike

0:43:47.280 --> 0:43:49.239
<v Speaker 1>and then you like chew winter green lifesavers in the

0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:51.759
<v Speaker 1>dark to make sparks and look at the stars through

0:43:51.800 --> 0:43:56.239
<v Speaker 1>a telescope. Camp. Um. But it was too foggy to

0:43:56.280 --> 0:43:58.839
<v Speaker 1>see the star, so instead they showed us Powers of

0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:03.399
<v Speaker 1>ten Um by the eames Is And I've never seen

0:44:03.440 --> 0:44:07.880
<v Speaker 1>it before, and it's scared the living daylights out of

0:44:07.880 --> 0:44:11.680
<v Speaker 1>me because it's just like, here's space, and then it

0:44:11.760 --> 0:44:15.120
<v Speaker 1>just goes here and further away and further away, and

0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:17.040
<v Speaker 1>like it just never ends, and we don't know where

0:44:17.040 --> 0:44:20.239
<v Speaker 1>it ends, and there's no end the end um. It's

0:44:20.239 --> 0:44:25.440
<v Speaker 1>like the beginning of contact. Yeah, but I think I

0:44:25.480 --> 0:44:29.040
<v Speaker 1>think now I find it weirdly consoling. I like that

0:44:29.080 --> 0:44:32.480
<v Speaker 1>there's no order to things. Maybe I'm an anarchist. You

0:44:32.560 --> 0:44:34.680
<v Speaker 1>definitely are an anarchist. I've been told that a few

0:44:34.680 --> 0:44:36.320
<v Speaker 1>times resent and I'm like, but I like order to

0:44:36.480 --> 0:44:43.200
<v Speaker 1>some things. You're a virgo anarchists, Yeah, like a an

0:44:43.280 --> 0:44:47.719
<v Speaker 1>uncluttered uh chaos. Yeah. I definitely have felt bad for

0:44:47.760 --> 0:44:50.160
<v Speaker 1>the planet Pluto in my life, oh for sure. I

0:44:50.200 --> 0:44:53.200
<v Speaker 1>mean Pluto is also always kind of like an emotionally

0:44:53.239 --> 0:44:57.120
<v Speaker 1>accessible planet. I think I like also that when you

0:44:57.160 --> 0:44:58.880
<v Speaker 1>see things and it's like we don't know why the

0:44:58.920 --> 0:45:02.440
<v Speaker 1>moon exists. Oh hey, speaking of which, I just wanted

0:45:02.480 --> 0:45:05.440
<v Speaker 1>to spend a moon minute with you guys. Really briefly

0:45:05.800 --> 0:45:07.560
<v Speaker 1>to let you know that a new study that was

0:45:07.600 --> 0:45:11.879
<v Speaker 1>conducted by American and Japanese researchers hypothesized that the Moon

0:45:12.000 --> 0:45:16.319
<v Speaker 1>was formed when a proto planet crashed into Earth way

0:45:16.320 --> 0:45:18.359
<v Speaker 1>back in the day when Earth was just like a

0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:21.400
<v Speaker 1>ton of it was covered with like a sea of magma,

0:45:21.440 --> 0:45:24.359
<v Speaker 1>and then the magma splashed into outer space and then

0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:27.080
<v Speaker 1>it expanded and then it like jelled together and made

0:45:27.120 --> 0:45:32.480
<v Speaker 1>the moon. Isn't that a great theory? Love it? And

0:45:32.520 --> 0:45:34.960
<v Speaker 1>they're like, this theory is just as viable as all

0:45:34.960 --> 0:45:37.719
<v Speaker 1>the other theories, none of which we know if they're true. Well,

0:45:37.760 --> 0:45:41.160
<v Speaker 1>there were like problems with previous theories that they were

0:45:41.200 --> 0:45:43.880
<v Speaker 1>like gaping holes and I didn't realize we didn't know

0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:46.840
<v Speaker 1>why the moon exists. Well, they didn't understand why it was.

0:45:47.440 --> 0:45:52.000
<v Speaker 1>It's materials were so earthlike but also not earthlike. Yeah,

0:45:52.040 --> 0:45:54.040
<v Speaker 1>I liked it the moon through a real pair of

0:45:54.040 --> 0:45:58.319
<v Speaker 1>binoculars recently, and that also made my brain explain Y's

0:45:58.360 --> 0:46:02.240
<v Speaker 1>like really like yeah, but it also again it's comforting.

0:46:02.280 --> 0:46:05.200
<v Speaker 1>You're like, oh, we matter so little, it's great. Well,

0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:08.000
<v Speaker 1>with that, with that thought, I think that does it

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<v Speaker 1>for this week's nightcall. Thank you so much for all

0:46:10.920 --> 0:46:13.279
<v Speaker 1>your night calls and night emails this week, and we're

0:46:13.320 --> 0:46:15.240
<v Speaker 1>glad we had a chance to get to some of them.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have any thoughts or night calls that you

0:46:18.080 --> 0:46:19.839
<v Speaker 1>want to make yourself, please give us a call at

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<v Speaker 1>now weekend, so go to patreon dot com slash Nightcall

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<v Speaker 1>and check out our newsletter, our book club, all sorts

0:46:48.200 --> 0:46:51.680
<v Speaker 1>of stuff we have coming soon in the Night Call verse.

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<v Speaker 1>Also watch the video Emily made. It is so amazing,

0:46:54.840 --> 0:46:57.160
<v Speaker 1>especially now that you know it's all c G. I

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<v Speaker 1>really appreciate it. I mean I want to be up

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<v Speaker 1>for an Oscar this year. So yeah, animated short, um, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we'd like to support the new season of an Emmy

0:47:08.960 --> 0:47:12.120
<v Speaker 1>for Megan which is ye not I believe it's not

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<v Speaker 1>an Emmy for me again. Uh, give Megan, Amram and

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<v Speaker 1>Emmy and then give an invest Animation Award for let's

0:47:21.040 --> 0:47:23.440
<v Speaker 1>just our beautiful animated faces. I'll try to get some

0:47:23.480 --> 0:47:26.960
<v Speaker 1>awards this year, like good Time. Yeah, every season is

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<v Speaker 1>awards season. Your own nightcall. All right, we'll see everybody

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<v Speaker 1>next week. Thanks for listening, by bye.