1 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Saber Protection of iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 2: I'm Annie Ree and I'm Lauren Vogelbaum, and today we 3 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 2: have a classic episode for you about the Martini cocktail 4 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 2: and glass. 5 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: We did talk a lot about glass wear, Yes, we did. 6 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 2: We did. Yeah, this one is from March of twenty eighteen. WHOA, yeah, 7 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 2: I know, right, I have to really parse that my 8 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 2: brain for a second. Okay, yeah, no, I don't know 9 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 2: what that means anymore. It's okay, Oh okay. Well, was 10 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 2: there any reason it was on your mind? 11 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: No? 12 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 2: Absolutely not, or I suppose it perhaps should have been, 13 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 2: because I very recently did an episode about Martini glasses 14 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 2: on one of my other shows, Brain Stuff, And for 15 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 2: that I definitely dipped into our notes here and added 16 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: a little bit, a little bit of stuff. Yes, but 17 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: I had forgotten entirely that that even happened, because, as 18 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 2: we have said before on the show, I jettison all 19 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 2: information from my brain the second I'm done recording, or 20 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 2: like the second i'm done like writing the title and 21 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 2: description out, and then I don't know what I recorded 22 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 2: about yesterday. I barely know what I'm recording about now. 23 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: It's all a mystery and Martini's don't help. Nope, Nope, 24 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,839 Speaker 1: they don't give Drake responsibly. 25 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: Yes, always, always, always, yes, I am. 26 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 3: I don't know if I've told you this, Lauren, but 27 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 3: I've had to take a break from horror movies. 28 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, oh okay. 29 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 3: Because I have watched so many it was getting out 30 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 3: of hand. And if everyone listening, you might be like. 31 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: Really, yes, No, I believe Annie when she says that, 32 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: because I have some inkling of how many horror movies 33 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 2: she's been watching. But I feel like that's probably a 34 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 2: conservative estimate, and that conservative estimate is a lot. 35 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: So yes. 36 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 3: But part of it is I have these like really 37 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 3: vivid dreams. Sure, great, okay, you know the horror part 38 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 3: comes in and then you're like scared to sleep, and 39 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 3: I already have trouble sleeping, so it's kind of an issue. 40 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 3: I did have one about a kind of Martini cocktail 41 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 3: situation now my ball in it, which I know is 42 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 3: that thing that I've seen before. It was in an 43 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 3: original anti brain thing that was happening, but the image 44 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 3: stuck with me for sure. 45 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: It was quite and I was like, where did this 46 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: come from? 47 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 3: I think it might have been because of our our 48 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 3: D and D hangout. I know I've talked about it before, 49 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 3: but I often like drinks with like gin sure and fruit, 50 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 3: and so that usually means I get a coop glass, 51 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 3: a coop glass, and I have a lot of trouble 52 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 3: as a clumsy person holding a coop glass. So I 53 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 3: think my like stress around that glass translated into D 54 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 3: and D and this martini nightmare. 55 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 4: Like I don't know, Okay, I could have been anything, really, 56 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 4: but have dreams are dreams are wacky, but but all right, Well, 57 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 4: I'm glad to hear that you are taking a perhaps 58 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 4: responsible step back from horror films. 59 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: I haven't had a regular old martini and a good 60 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 2: hot minute. I think, like at the very beginning, like 61 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: or like in the kind of early beginning of the pandemic, 62 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 2: kind of like the first time that I got even 63 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 2: like a to go cocktail from a restaurant, I felt 64 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 2: like I was finally back in civilization, right, Like I 65 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: was like, Oh, this is what it's like to be 66 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 2: a human person, right. I mean I also felt the 67 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 2: same way eating like a large pile of wings, but yes, 68 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 2: which I ordered the two together, so it was pretty right. 69 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 2: That was a good afternoon twenty twenty didn't have to 70 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: be honest, a lot of great afternoons, but that was 71 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 2: one of them. 72 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 3: Yes, I mean those things had become quite special. Oh yeah, 73 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 3: oh yeah, I hear you. Well, I guess we should 74 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 3: let pass Annie and Lauren take it away. 75 00:04:49,560 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 2: Sure, Hello, and welcome to food Stuff. I'm Annie Reese 76 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: and I'm Lauren Voclbaum. And this is another cocktail hour. 77 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 2: Today we're talking about the Martini. 78 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: And this is a very special cocktail hour. 79 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's the first one where we're actually having 80 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 2: a cocktail while we're recording it. So yeah, cheers, y'all. 81 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 3: Cheers and cheers Dylan, Uh huh, cheers. This is my 82 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 3: first time having Martini. 83 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 2: How are you enjoying it? 84 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 3: I actually really like it. It's it's not what I expected. 85 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 3: I got it extra dirty, which we'll talk about more, 86 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 3: but basically it means all of all. 87 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 2: Of Brian Yeah, juice, Brian. 88 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I really like it. 89 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 2: I technically got a vesper. I can also mention that 90 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 2: in a moment. But yeah, let's let's start this episode 91 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 2: off because the Martini is a huge cultural icon in America, 92 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 2: So let's start off with some some some quotes yes. 93 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 3: And this is one of my favorite things about the Martini, 94 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 3: because I did. I didn't know much about it, to 95 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 3: be honest, and it inspired so many quotes. There's so 96 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 3: many great quotes in this episode, so here are few. 97 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 3: Historian Bernard de Voto described the Martini as. 98 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: The supreme American gift to world culture. 99 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 3: Satirist HL men Can called it the only American invention 100 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 3: as perfect as the sonnet. 101 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: That is some high high phrase, right. 102 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 3: A nineteen forties newspaper columnist wrote, more people get their 103 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 3: glasses broken and arrested and divorced on account of Martini's 104 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 3: than for any other reason. Dang could be true. And 105 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 3: here's a poem, a Martini. 106 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 2: Poem by Ogden Nashialists. 107 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 3: Yes, eh, there is something about a Martini, A tingle 108 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 3: remarkably pleasant, a yellow, a mellow Martini. 109 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: I wish that I had one at present. 110 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 3: There is something about a Martini air the dying and 111 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 3: dancing begin. And to tell you, the truth is not 112 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 3: the verymooth. I think perhaps it's the gin. Yeah, thank you, Lauren, 113 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 3: thank you. But here this brings us to something we 114 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 3: should note. 115 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: Oh, drink responsibly, y'all, especially when your drinks have almost 116 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 2: four ounces of liquor in them. 117 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, please be responsible. 118 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 3: Don't be breaking any glasses or getting divorces on account 119 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 3: of martini's. 120 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 2: No, please please do not, because it's it's partially the 121 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 2: very mouth, but it is also definitely partially the gin. Yes, 122 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 2: Ogdenash was correct. So the Martini? What is it? 123 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: What is it? 124 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 3: According to a bar like in Savannah, Georgia called Gin 125 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 3: and Friends, it is just about anything you can imagine 126 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 3: with a. 127 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: Garnish of twigs. I actually really like that bar. 128 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 3: But uh oh, I think you probably can get a 129 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 3: traditional Martinia. There's over one thousand different martinis. I believe 130 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 3: maybe it's hundreds. I'm probably exaggerating. 131 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 2: Uh pedantic, Lauren is like, that's not a. 132 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: Mort Yes, she reacted very viscerally. 133 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 2: Classically, the martini is a very specific thing. It's just 134 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 2: gin and dry white vermouth and a roughly six to 135 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 2: one ratio three ounces of gin and about half an 136 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 2: ounce of vermouth. You shake or stir this with ice 137 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 2: and then strain it into a glass, either with a 138 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 2: twist of lemon or an olive for garnish. At this 139 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 2: most simple iteration, it is a showcase for the gin 140 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 2: and the vermouth, and the drink will taste simultaneously sort 141 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 2: of clean and rich, with notes including herbal, piny, floral, 142 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 2: and savory. Yep, would you say that's what you're experiencing 143 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 2: right now? 144 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 3: I am, and Lauren got to see me. I order 145 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 3: the martini moments ago, and there was a look of 146 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 3: panic on my face when the bartender said the twist 147 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 3: dirty olive, and luckily I made the correct, non stupid decision. 148 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: I did not ask for the twist. 149 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 3: I asked for olive dirty, oh right, which and I 150 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 3: means together yes, and I mean stupid, as in, I'm 151 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 3: sure the lemon one or the twist one is also lovely. 152 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: But I did not ask for all three, right, yes, No, okay, 153 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: embarrassment avoided. 154 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 2: Lowell Edmonds wrote about this classic Martini. It's pleasure, which 155 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 2: is not voluptuous but astringent, can only be expressed by oxymoron, 156 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 2: sensuous coldness, opulent dryness, mysterious clarity, alluring purity. 157 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 3: I love it because again, it's one of those things. 158 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 3: If you just read that last bit, I would have 159 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 3: no idea what you were talking about, but I would 160 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 3: want it part of it right right? This cocktail was 161 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 3: the favorite of many famous people, from Winston Churchill to. 162 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: FDR, Himingway all over him. 163 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 3: I feel like every cocktail was his favorite, depending on 164 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 3: when you ask whatever cocktail was in his hand. Himmingway 165 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 3: used a martini as an insult in Across the River 166 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 3: and into the trees when one character orders Montgomery's fifteen 167 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 3: to one, in other words, fifteen parts gin to one 168 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 3: part vermu. Yeah, the order was meant as a dig 169 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 3: at Commander Montgomery, who allegedly would not go into a 170 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 3: battle without a fifteen to one soldier advantage. The small 171 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 3: amount of vermouth was meant to symbolize his small amount 172 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 3: of courage. I should keep that in mind if I 173 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 3: ever want to insult somebody, you can insult someone with 174 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 3: a cocktail. 175 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 2: Perfect. 176 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 3: Yes, I already have like a vague plan for revenge bakery. 177 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: We'll revisit that in another episode. 178 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:33,119 Speaker 3: According to some sources, FDR would host a daily Martini 179 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 3: Hour in which he made martinis that were too heavy 180 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 3: on the vermouth, like. 181 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 2: Two to one gin to vermouth, which is a way 182 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 2: that some people drink them, but it's certainly heavier than 183 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 2: the norm. Right. 184 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 3: Well, FDR apparently drank them this way, and the White 185 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 3: House Council was not a fan of this preparation method, 186 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 3: and one would hope surreptitiously pour it into the potted plant. 187 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: Yes. 188 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 3: Then again, when fdr served it up to Stalin in 189 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 3: nineteen four forty three, Stalin was a first time Martini drinker. 190 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 3: Khrushchev declared the drink as America's lethal weapon. 191 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:10,719 Speaker 1: Ah wow, Oh. 192 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 2: One of Julia Child's favorite drinks was the reverse Martini. 193 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 2: That's five to one vermouth to gin, the reverse Martini, 194 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 2: m m. And people love getting up in arms about 195 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: that vermouth to liquor ratio. Supposedly, Churchill said about it, 196 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 2: I would like to observe the vermouth from across the 197 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 2: room while I drink my martini, Or that one should 198 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 2: glance at the vermouth bottle briefly while pouring the juniper 199 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 2: distolate freely. 200 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:39,359 Speaker 1: Well he was British. 201 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 2: Or possibly that you should drink ice called gin while 202 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 2: bowing in the general direction of France, or that you 203 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 2: should hold the vermouth bottle over the shaker and just 204 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 2: let light shine through it. 205 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 1: Oh, Churchill. That first quote. 206 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: Looking across the room at the vermouth has also been 207 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 2: attributed to Alfred hitchcock. Some folks just do a vermouth 208 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 2: rinseat of adding it to the shaker like utasa quarter 209 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 2: ounce or so of remoth into the cocktail glass, twirl 210 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 2: and then poured out before straining in your ice, shaken 211 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 2: or stirred gin and supposedly Lyndon B. Johnson preferred this version. 212 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 2: M h but hey, y'all, what the heck is vermouth? 213 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,839 Speaker 1: I had no idea, enjoyed did this? 214 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 2: It's Vermouth is a wine that has been infused with 215 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 2: various botanicals, specifically wormwood, also probably including saffron, coriander, chemomial 216 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 2: and or juniper, and then fortified with a little bit 217 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 2: of a neutral spirit like udaged brandy. And the dry 218 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 2: white version was created in France around eighteen hundred. This 219 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 2: is definitely whole episode kind of territory. That's a very 220 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 2: brief yeah definition. Yeah yeah. And while we're defining things, 221 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 2: gin is a neutral spirit that is also infused with 222 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 2: botanicals including juniper and a whole mess of other herbs 223 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 2: and spices. We talked about it in our Gin and 224 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 2: Tonic episode and also visited a local distillery and like 225 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 2: made a video and a batch of gin. Yeah about it? 226 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 2: So go check those out if you would like to 227 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 2: learn more about gin. Some folks do use vodka instead 228 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 2: of gin to make martinises. You can also add in 229 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 2: a bit of olive brine for that dirty martini, or 230 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 2: a drop or two of bitters, specifically orange bitters. My 231 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 2: bartender slash chef friend Darryl makes a version with a 232 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 2: few drops of olive oil floated on top instead of 233 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 2: an olive garnish. And if you add a cocktail onion 234 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 2: instead of an olive, it's a Gibson. 235 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: Oh. 236 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 2: If you use both vodka and gin, add the vermouth 237 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 2: and then have a lemon twist, that's a vesper, Yeah, 238 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 2: which is what I'm drinking right now. 239 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Oh. And that teeny suffix. 240 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, those billions of martinis that you can order 241 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 2: at places. 242 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, you may have noticed this before. You can get 243 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,599 Speaker 3: a lot of drinks that end in teenie. Appletini is 244 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 3: the first one that comes to my mind because of 245 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 3: the cubs quote Arcini, please easy on the teenie. And 246 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 3: this has nothing really to do with the martini the drink, 247 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 3: and all to do with the V shaped martini glass. 248 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, which I'm going to get into it in 249 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 2: a minute. 250 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 3: Yes, and I also read sex in the City helped 251 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 3: inspire a lot of teeny drinks. 252 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean they were drinking cosmos out of 253 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 2: the Martini glass. It became a whole thing. 254 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, So that's the basics. But let's talk about 255 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 3: some history. 256 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is one of those great ones. But first 257 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 2: let's take a quick break for a word from our sponsor. 258 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 3: And we're back, Thank you sponsor. Yes, okay, Martini history. Yeah, 259 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 3: since eighteen eighty two, the combination of gin and Vermouth 260 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 3: has gone by the Martini, the Martina, the martine, the Martini, 261 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 3: the Martineau, and the Martinez. 262 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 2: And these early versions were sweeter, more like Manhattan's that 263 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 2: were just made with gin instead of whiskey, so therefore 264 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 2: including bitters and sugar syrup and currosow. Though by the 265 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 2: turn of the twentieth century, the latter two ingredients, the 266 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 2: sugar syrup and currosow, had fallen by the wayside, and 267 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 2: if anything was to be added to that requisite gin 268 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 2: in Vermouth, it would be bitters and orange bitters to 269 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 2: kind of make up for that currosow's absence. 270 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 3: Rights and as these names might indicate multiple origin stories, exist. 271 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 2: Oh, it wouldn't be a cocktail hour without. 272 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: It, wouldn't it very much? 273 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 3: Reminds me of the margarita I love how it's just 274 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 3: we need a name and that's who invented it. 275 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: Perfect. 276 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 2: There you go. 277 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: End of episode. 278 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's possible that more than one person invented the 279 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 3: same drink around the same time. A story published in 280 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 3: The New York Times in nineteen oh four claims a 281 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 3: drink was the brainchild of a local judiciary named Randolph Martin, 282 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 3: but those who knew him well didn't seem to agree. 283 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 3: Champagne was his alcohol of choice, and apparently he rarely 284 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 3: strayed from it, so his friends were like nope. In 285 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 3: eighteen eighty four, New York Cocktail Guide included a recipe 286 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 3: for a Martinez, and because of this, in the nineteen forties, 287 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 3: people started theorizing that maybe the drink came from Martinez, California. Ah, 288 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 3: this one gets really muddy, but as the story goes, 289 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 3: a gold miner, looking to celebrate his findings, ordered the 290 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 3: drink special. But whatever was the drink special the bartender 291 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 3: did not have, so he whipped up something based on 292 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 3: what he did have, which happened to be Jen Vermouth 293 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 3: and a few extra things the bartender. The bartender called 294 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 3: it a Martinez after the town. This is the official 295 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 3: story on the Martinez website, although I read many alternate versions, 296 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 3: including one where the miner he was actually celebrating. He 297 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 3: wasn't celebrating at all. He was out of money, a 298 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 3: fine gold, was miserable. 299 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 2: So it's like to fix me whatever you've got. 300 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, so take it with a grain of salt. 301 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 3: There's a Martini pun in there, but I can't make 302 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 3: it right now. 303 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 2: It's okay, It's okay. 304 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 3: San Francisco also lays claim to the Martini, as does 305 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 3: New York City. In eighteen sixty three, an Italian Vermouth 306 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 3: company was marketing one of its products as a Martini. 307 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,719 Speaker 3: I recognize it. Martini and Rossi Vermouth. 308 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, still a very large player in the field. 309 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 310 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 3: Another story goes that after France left Syria in nineteen 311 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 3: forty six, a Syrian man with the last name Martini 312 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 3: relocated to Paris and opened a bar. At the time, Martini's, 313 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 3: if not name, the drink did already exist, but Martini 314 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 3: the person's contribution was the addition of an olive as 315 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 3: sort of an homage to his home country where all 316 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 3: of our big product. Oh yeah, th realist even compiled 317 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 3: it neat almost conspiracy level. 318 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: They're all connected, timeline. 319 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 3: Ah it hegans with a bartender named Martini Diarma Ditagia 320 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 3: making Martini at the Knickerbocker Hotel in New York for 321 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 3: one John g Rockefeller Okay m hm, who then in 322 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 3: turn made it for his. 323 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: Buddies on Wall Street. 324 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 3: But then Rockefeller's son, John Junior, helped make Prohibition happen. 325 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 3: But then Prohibition was a failure, and he was instrumental 326 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 3: in reversing it, And then he supervised the opening of 327 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 3: a place that ended up serving a lot of Martini's, 328 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 3: the Rainbow Room, and eventually the Rainbow Room was the 329 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 3: scene of the Martini's revival in the nineteen eighties. 330 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, that's intense, It is right, It's true, that's 331 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 2: very intense. But who knows, not us at any rate 332 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 2: up through Prohibition. You know, for the first four decades 333 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 2: or so of the Martini's history, the drink was not 334 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 2: served in the Martini glass because it hadn't been invented yet. 335 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: Makes sense. 336 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 2: There you go, Probably the rounder slightly more forgiving champagne 337 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 2: coop would have been used, as it was for many 338 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 2: drinks served up at the time, up as opposed to 339 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 2: on the rocks. In the twenties, though at the height 340 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 2: of Art Deco, someone somewhere made that coop angular, you know, 341 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 2: a cone rather than a semisphere. It may have made 342 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 2: its official debut at the nineteen twenty five Paris Exhibition. 343 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 2: By the nineteen thirties, this glass design was firmly associated 344 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 2: with the Martini cocktail, a clean design for a clean drink. 345 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 2: And meanwhile, prohibition had made gin America's darling liquor, as 346 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 2: it was much easier to doupe than whiskey, which gets 347 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 2: its flavor from aging. Kind of pour juniper oil into 348 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 2: some booze base and you're like, oh, it's sort of 349 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 2: like gin. 350 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: That's that Gin. 351 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 2: An article from American Heritage Magazine suggests that the Martini's 352 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 2: simplicity and its glasses design made it a symbol of 353 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 2: the modern American urbanite, a and I quote defiant retort 354 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 2: to Bible Belt intolerance and Victorian repression. That is quite 355 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 2: a lot to put on a glass that's heavy, right, yeah, 356 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 2: for a glass and a cocktail. By the nineteen forties 357 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 2: and fifties, with the rise of mid century modern design, 358 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,959 Speaker 2: the lip of that Martini glass would grow wider and 359 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 2: the stem longer, and through industrialization, this glassware became available 360 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 2: for home use for the growing middle class. So the 361 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 2: Martini and its glass, and partially through the enthusiasm of 362 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 2: folks like FDR, became symbols of power and modernity. A 363 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 2: New York Times article in nineteen fifty eight called it 364 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 2: the symbol of our civilization. 365 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: Wow. 366 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 2: And if you're familiar with the Dave Brubeck Quartet, saxophonist 367 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 2: Paul Desmond would later say that in developing their sound quote, 368 00:20:58,480 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 2: I think I had it in the back of my 369 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 2: mind that I wanted to sound like a dry Martini. 370 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: Wow. Uh yeah. 371 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 3: I have to say that I didn't know much about martinis, 372 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 3: but I did always have that association with the glass 373 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 3: as it being kind of this rich city. 374 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, wealthy, yeah, urbane. 375 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, and which is fascinating because I didn't know much 376 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 3: about it, but that still cultural. 377 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, huh yeah. 378 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 3: Vodka started really gaining popularity in the fifties. At the 379 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 3: beginning of the decade, about five hundred thousand cases were sold, 380 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 3: but by nineteen fifty five, that number skyrocketed to five 381 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 3: million cases. It passed jin in terms of sales numbers 382 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 3: in the US in nineteen sixty seven and Whiskey in 383 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 3: nineteen seventy six. The first vodka martinis went by the 384 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 3: name Kangaroo Cocktail. 385 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 2: But by nineteen fifty one, with the publication of this 386 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 2: really posh like Cocktails and Nude Photos cocktail guide called 387 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 2: Bottoms Up and Andy just did the biggest die roll, 388 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 2: the Kangaroo Cocktail was sort of officially unofficially rebranded the 389 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 2: vodka Martini. 390 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 3: Rights and James Bond was instrumental in the popularity of 391 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 3: the vodka Martini. The first time it appeared in the 392 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 3: James Bond universe was in the nineteen fifty six Diamonds 393 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 3: Are Forever the film not the book. Okay, Yes, his 394 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 3: first instruction of shake and not stood. I used to 395 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 3: have a really good Shohn Conner impression, but I doubt 396 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 3: it anymore. Oh No, actually I probably never did, but 397 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 3: I thought I did anyway. 398 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: Whatever the case. 399 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 3: Came two years later in the nineteen fifty eight Doctor No. 400 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 2: And by the nineteen seventies, vodka Martini's had begun to 401 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 2: outsell jin. Martini's kind of parallel with vodka to gin 402 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 2: sales in general. M hm. 403 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: And this brings us to Martini politics. 404 00:22:55,960 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 2: Martini politics, I know, the Three Martini Lunch and class warfare. 405 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this is actually huge and kind of very serious. 406 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: It really is. 407 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 3: During the nineteen fifties and sixties, the Madmen era executives 408 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 3: and businessmen took part in this thing called the Three 409 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 3: Martini Lunch, which is what it sounds like. The working 410 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 3: class did not like this, and the three Martini Lunch 411 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 3: was it was a tax right off and the deductions 412 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 3: it was seen as deductions for the rich. 413 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: President John F. 414 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 3: Kennedy took the first real political swife at the Three 415 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 3: Martini Lunch in the sixties, but the real fighting got 416 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 3: started in nineteen seventy two with George McGovern. He said, 417 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 3: there is something fundamentally wrong with the tax system when 418 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 3: it allows a corporate executive to deduct his twenty dollars 419 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 3: Martini lunch while a working man cannot deduct the price 420 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 3: of his bologney sandwich. Jimmy Carter took up the mantle 421 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy six, decrying the fact that the American 422 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 3: working class was having to pay for the three martini lunch, 423 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 3: to which his opponent for the nineteen seventy six presidential 424 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 3: election replied much later, the three martini lunch is the 425 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 3: epitome of American efficiency. Where else can you get an earful, 426 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 3: a belly full, and a snoopful. 427 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: At the same time, m h. 428 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 2: Popular culture was swaying towards Carter's interpretation, though, an article 429 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 2: in Esquire in nineteen seventy three called the martini a bitter, 430 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 2: medicinal tasting beverage that represented everything from phony bourgeois values 431 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 2: and social snobbery to jaded alcoholism and latent masochism. 432 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 3: Wow. And it was actually President Reagan that mostly did 433 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 3: away with the three martini lunch in nineteen eighty six, 434 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 3: and then President Clinton with the final nail in that coffin, 435 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 3: and the detractors mockingly called it the two martini lunch. 436 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 3: Is like, you can't handle your alcohol, You're getting spoppy. 437 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 1: You couldn't take. 438 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 2: The three martinis? Yeah, oh weird, weird, I'm like sick burn. 439 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of. 440 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 2: Question marks behind it. Meanwhile, by then the nineteen eighties 441 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 2: bizarre be sour mixed cocktail culture was in full swing, 442 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 2: and everything about drinking was bigger and sweeter and more 443 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 2: mass produced. And amidst all this, the Martini glass had 444 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 2: not lost its feel of sleek sophistication. So the glass 445 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 2: just got bigger and everything got served in it, especially 446 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 2: these sweet fruity drinks that were meant to appeal to 447 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 2: women with their shoulder pads as big as their ambitions. 448 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: See, ladies, you really can have it all. 449 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 2: This association would stick through the next couple decades. Think 450 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 2: of that cosmo from Sex in the City with many 451 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 2: bars Martini menus, not including a whiff of the actual 452 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 2: Martini cocktail until the craft cocktail moved of the twenty 453 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 2: teens brought it back. 454 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, and this I didn't know about any of this, 455 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 3: but I did see there's a restaurant. It might be 456 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 3: in Savannah, but it has a three martini lunch on it, 457 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 3: and I thought it was just a weird like so yeah, yeah, 458 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 3: like a gimmick. Yeah, from that restaurant. And when I 459 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 3: was reading this, we're like, oh, realization was just dawning 460 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 3: on my face. 461 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Yeah. There's an episode of Bad Men where 462 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 2: the multiple martini lunch plays a very big factor. And 463 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 2: ends poorly for everyone involved, as. 464 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 3: I imagine it would. As I imagine it would. That 465 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 3: brings us to now and to some science. 466 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 2: Yes, but first a quick break for a word from 467 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 2: our sponsor, and we're back. 468 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 1: Thank you sponsor. 469 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 2: Oh yes, thank you. So this is our kind of 470 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 2: science and act section because I have a few important notes. 471 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 2: Not all of them are purely scientific, but okay, first, 472 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 2: one important note about vermouth. Okay, although being fortified, an 473 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 2: open bottle of remouth will last longer than an open 474 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 2: bottle of regular wine. Due to that fortification, it will 475 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 2: still go off after a couple of months. Yeah, so 476 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 2: you know, don't just keep a half used bottle of 477 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 2: remooth sitting on your bar. At the very least, keep 478 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 2: your opened bottle in the fridge for extra staying power, 479 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 2: and use it within like three to four months. It's 480 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 2: really great for cooking as well as in cocktails, or 481 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 2: even by itself on the rocks if you get a 482 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 2: good enough one. So I promise it's not at all 483 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,400 Speaker 2: difficult to go through. Use it up. It'll be delicious. 484 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 2: Deglaze all of your pants with it. You'll thank me later. 485 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,479 Speaker 2: I do have a slight kill joy corner for you today. 486 00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 2: The witty and slightly blue quatrain about Marche that is 487 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 2: often attributed to Dorothy Parker was almost certainly not said 488 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 2: or written by Dorothy Parker. A The quatraine goes, I 489 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 2: like to have a Martini two at the very most, 490 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 2: after three, I'm under the table. After four, I'm under 491 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 2: my host, which I think really has to be said 492 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 2: that in that Trisatlantic accent. I believe Dorothy Parker had 493 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 2: grown so famous for quips that misattribution is pretty common, 494 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 2: and this appears. This quatrain appears who have originated in 495 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 2: the University of Virginia's undergrad humor magazine, The Harlequin, not 496 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 2: from Parker, although that's no reason to love her, or 497 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 2: Martini's or responsible drinking any less. For the record, Dorothy 498 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 2: Parker preferred Scotch. 499 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: Scotch is lovely. 500 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 2: It is good to know. Also, one last bit of 501 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 2: e femera. I read this article in Imbibe magazine. It 502 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 2: was written by one Wayne Curtis. He was writing about 503 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 2: the Martini glass, and it contains such a sick burn 504 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 2: that I wanted to share it. The Martini glass is 505 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 2: one of those objects appealing in concept, but disappointing in reality, 506 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 2: member of a category that includes cotton candy and the 507 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 2: films of Adam Sandler. 508 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 3: Oh ah, that's pretty harsh. 509 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 2: I laughed out loud in my house and like startled 510 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 2: my cats, So yeah, I wanted to share it. I 511 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 2: happen also to agree on all counts. 512 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. 513 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 2: Then again, I'm the guy who drinks everything out of 514 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 2: jam jars because I cannot be trusted with stemware. 515 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 3: I'm the same, although I have broken several stemless glasses 516 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 3: as well, so clearly I'm just plastics. 517 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, here you go. 518 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: How classy everything a fello cat? That's me. 519 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 3: This brings us to a question that I've wondered about it. Yeah, uh, 520 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 3: shaken are stirred? 521 00:29:55,200 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 2: Oh okay, this is today's science portion, and there is 522 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 2: science to shaken versus stirred, Because okay, the purpose of 523 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 2: shaking a cocktail with ice is a to chill the 524 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 2: drink and b to mix in lighter ingredients like your gin, 525 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 2: your vodka. You're whiskey with things that are less easily mixed, 526 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 2: like heavy sweet liqueurs or simple syrup or stuff like eggs. 527 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 2: If all your ingredients are lighter, as with a martini, 528 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 2: which is just fortified wine and gin, shaking is unnecessary 529 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 2: at best. Furthermore, shaking a cocktail with ice in a 530 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 2: shaker will chip little bits of ice into the drink, 531 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,479 Speaker 2: which melt down quickly, which water the drink down and 532 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 2: also adds in tiny little air bubbles. And this might 533 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 2: well be what you're going for with some cocktails, but 534 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 2: bartenders will tell you that with a martini it can 535 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 2: ruin the silky mouthfeel that you're looking for from the liquor. 536 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 2: Stirring with ice, on the other hand, chills the drink 537 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 2: a little bit less than you get with shaking, but 538 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,719 Speaker 2: it does so without agitating the ingredients so much and 539 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 2: does not chip the ice, so less water gets into 540 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 2: your cocktail. According to MIT research scientist Shannon Stewart, the 541 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 2: air that you expose the ingredients to during shaking can 542 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 2: ruin some of the best scent notes of gin, the 543 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 2: volatile alcohols that make juniper and coriander taste and smell crisp. Yeah, yeah, 544 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 2: those are top notes, so they'll start to dissipate during shaking, 545 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 2: which can leave your drink tasting and smelling a little 546 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 2: bit dull. Therefore, the best way to mix a gin 547 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 2: martini is definitely by stirring. 548 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: Okay. 549 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 2: Vodka martinis are probably okay either way. They don't have 550 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 2: those botanicals, so you're not dealing with a loss of 551 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 2: top notes the way that you would with gin. Though, 552 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 2: if you are using a really good remooth, you might 553 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 2: want to stir your vodka martini too. Okay. Yeah, good 554 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 2: to know. Serving your martini's in glassware street from the 555 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 2: freezer will help offset the coldness lost by stirring instead 556 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 2: of shaking. Yeah, so that's recommended either way. 557 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: Yes. 558 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 3: Originally, Lauren, she had quite the plan for our martini 559 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 3: testing during this episode. 560 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: She wanted to get some martini. 561 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 2: Glasses, put them in the freezer, then go obtain our 562 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 2: martini cocktails. Yes, bring them back, put them in the 563 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 2: chilled glasses. 564 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: I was very impressed, Lauren. 565 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 2: We happened to work in a building that has a 566 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 2: lovely food court downstairs, including a few restaurants that will 567 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 2: allow you to take away your cocktails, yes, in a 568 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 2: plastic cup, as long as you're not leaving the building, 569 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 2: which is what we've done. 570 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: We have. 571 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 2: Thank you the Marcury, Yes. 572 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: Thank you. They actually have helped us out on several occasions. 573 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 2: They certainly have. 574 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're lovely. So that's our Martini episode. 575 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 3: And I hope you enjoyed learning about it as much 576 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 3: as I did, because I, like I said, I didn't 577 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 3: know much about it, and I was very surprised. 578 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I knew a little bit about it, Like 579 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 2: I knew enough, Like I have opinions, one of those 580 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 2: pedantic Lauren things, and and I don't have a Killjoy 581 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 2: corner level of alliteration phrase to attach to this, but 582 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 2: I'm working towards it, Yeah, because I have so many 583 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 2: pedantic opinions. And yes, I a vodka martini is not 584 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 2: a Martini. A martini is jin and vermouth. 585 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 3: We will come up with a title for this, Lauren, 586 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 3: I believe. 587 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 2: But that's okay. Yeah, if you like vodka martini's go 588 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 2: for it. Oh sure, it's not a Martini. 589 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 3: And that brings us to the end of this classic episode. 590 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 3: We hope that you enjoyed it as much as we 591 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 3: enjoyed replaying it. 592 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And I will say, as a very short 593 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 2: Martini update that that we humans continue to innovate in 594 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 2: the Martini field. I was doing my due diligence like 595 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 2: Google search before this classic and apparently very popular right 596 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 2: now are things including a parmesan espresso martini I have 597 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 2: I've not seen whatever viral media post has led to this, 598 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 2: but apparently espresso martinis are popular, and specifically one that 599 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 2: puts parmesan in it. Also Stanley Tucci making martinis, which 600 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 2: I fully endorse, yeah, one thousand percent all the time. 601 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,879 Speaker 2: Also the freezer martini, which is when like you mix 602 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 2: a martini with no ice and then to chill it, 603 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 2: you store it in a bottle in the freezer and 604 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 2: then just pour it into a glass when you're ready 605 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 2: to drink. Okay, And furthermore, the spicy martini, which vinepaar 606 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 2: dot com reports and I quote, is your daddy now? 607 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 2: Oh no? So yeah, I don't know, but. 608 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 1: That made me laugh before when I read this, it 609 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: made me laugh. 610 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 2: Now yeah, that's why I included it in this. In 611 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 2: this note, I was like, well, I'm not entirely sure 612 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 2: what that means. I don't think I'm going to click 613 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 2: the link to find out, but here we are. 614 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: It's Pedro Pascal and cocktail. 615 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,840 Speaker 2: You know, Pedro Pascal was the first thing that I 616 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 2: thought of as well, so I'm glad that we're both 617 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 2: see this is apparently the kind of viral media that 618 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 2: we're consuming. It's just nothing but paid Pascal all the time, 619 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 2: like not on the espresso Martini end. 620 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 3: Right, right, which is an interesting thing for a food podcast. 621 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 3: I think that's what says says a part o. 622 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that niche that we filled. 623 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 3: Yes, it's our here's your horror movie update about the 624 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,800 Speaker 3: Martini and also Pedro Pascal horror. 625 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: So you know, that's just where we are. 626 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 2: Just makes sense, just makes sense in our own special 627 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 2: brand of sense. But yes, well, also just a quick note, 628 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,320 Speaker 2: one of the reasons we're having classic right now is 629 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 2: we're going on a trip. 630 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 1: Uh so perhaps we'll get martini of some. 631 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 2: Kind, Yeah, I would. Yeah, we're full disclosure, we're going 632 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,320 Speaker 2: on a trip to Vegas. So so we're gonna have 633 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 2: some episodes coming out about that sometime in the future 634 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 2: and hopefully we're going to be interviewing some rad people 635 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 2: and and hopefully it's going to be a fun, fun 636 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 2: time for everyone. 637 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so, I would ask. 638 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 3: I mean, you know what I think we're going I 639 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 3: mean potentially multiple times. Yeah, this work things, So if 640 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 3: you have any recommend I think by the time this 641 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,319 Speaker 3: episode comes out, we'll be back. 642 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: It's a short trip. 643 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, but but. 644 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:15,240 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, send those recommendations our way. But all right, uh. 645 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 3: In the meantime, if you would like to send us 646 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 3: those recommendations. 647 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:19,280 Speaker 1: You can. 648 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 3: We would love to hear from you, all right emails 649 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 3: Hello at saberpod dot com. 650 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 2: We're also on social media. 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