1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,960 Speaker 1: This Day in History Class is a production of I 2 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: Heart Radio, Hello and Welcome to This Day in History Class, 3 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: a show that reveals history one day at a time. 4 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: I'm Gabe Lousier, and in this episode, we're re examining 5 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: the time when a Grammy winning musician blew up her 6 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: own career for the sake of sending a message. The 7 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: day was Saturday, October three. At the end of her 8 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: performance on Saturday Night Live, Irish singer songwriter Said O'Connor 9 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: shocked the audience and viewers at home by tearing up 10 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: a photo of Pope John Paul the second. She later 11 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: explained that her actions were motivated by the desire to 12 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: quote face some very difficult truths. More specifically, the singer 13 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: wanted to shine a light on the rampant, systemic child 14 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: abuse that had long been ignored in her native country 15 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: and abroad. Earlier that week, O'Connor had caught the SNL 16 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: staff off guard when she decided her second performance of 17 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: the evening would not be a song from her latest album. Instead, 18 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: she chose to sing an acapella version of a Bob 19 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: Marley song called War. Most of the song's lyrics are 20 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: adapted from a speech delivered to the United Nations by 21 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: Hailey Selassie, a former emperor of Ethiopia and a sacred 22 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 1: figure in Rastafarianism. The speech and the song it inspired 23 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: call for world peace while also cautioning that there will 24 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: be war quote until the ignoble and unhappy regimes that 25 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: hold our brothers in subhuman bondage have been toppled. During 26 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: dress rehearsal, O'Connor all heard some of the lyrics to 27 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: directly mention child abuse, which she viewed as an example 28 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: of the subhuman bondage mentioned in Marley's song. When she 29 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: sang the final line, we have confidence in the victory 30 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: of good over evil, she held up a photo of 31 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: a starving child. This planned protest was approved by Lauren Michaels, 32 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: the creator and executive producer of SNL. It was even 33 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: arranged for the camera to zoom in on the photo 34 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: during the live performance, but when the moment came later 35 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: that night, O'Connor replaced the photo from rehearsal with a 36 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: photo of Pope John Paul the Second. She then proceeded 37 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: to tear the photo to pieces, and as she did so, 38 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: she said, quote fight the real enemy and then threw 39 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: the pieces toward the camera. The show's director made the 40 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: split second decision to leave the applause signs off, which 41 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: resulted in a complete, at least silent audience as the 42 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: show went to commercial. But over the next few days 43 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: the phones at NBC were anything but silent. Nearly a 44 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 1: thousand viewers reportedly called in to complain about their performance, 45 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: and in the end, O'Connor was banned for life, not 46 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: just from SNL but from the entire NBC network. But 47 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 1: SNL couldn't just ignore the incident, so at the next 48 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:31,119 Speaker 1: week's show, guest host Joe Pesci confronted the controversy head on. 49 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: He held up the same photo of the pope, explaining 50 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: that he had taped it back together. Then he tore 51 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: up a different photo, one of O'Connor herself. He then 52 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: went on to say that if she had pulled the 53 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: stunt while he was hosting, he would have quote gave 54 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: her such a smack. Lauren Michaels had a more middle 55 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: of the road response. He described O'Connor's actions as quote 56 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: on a certain level of betrayal, but also a serious 57 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: expression of belief. In later years, Michael's would expand on 58 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: that idea, saying that quote to her, the church symbolized 59 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: everything that was bad about the way she grew up 60 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: in Ireland, and so she was making a strong political statement. However, 61 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 1: not everyone agreed with the singer's message, or at least 62 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: not the way she had chosen to express it. A 63 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: few weeks after the incident, O'Connor was set to perform 64 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: at a Bob Dylan tribute concert in Madison Square Garden, 65 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: but she was booed off the stage. For the rest 66 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: of the year and well into the next, O'Connor was 67 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: condemned and parodied by everyone from Madonna to the Anti 68 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 1: Defamation League. Despite all the outrage and the harm to 69 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: her career, O'Connor never apologized or expressed regret for her actions, 70 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: but she did put an end to the speculation years 71 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: later by giving a full account of the incident. She 72 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: revealed that the photo of the Pope had been taken 73 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: during his visit to Ireland in nineteen seventy nine. She 74 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: had kept it with her for years, waiting for the 75 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: right moment to destroy what she viewed as a symbol 76 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:18,799 Speaker 1: of lies and abuse. Then, just before her appearance on SNL, 77 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: O'Connor read an account in an Irish newspaper about priests 78 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: who had abused children but faced no legal repercussions. That's 79 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: when she knew that the right moment had finally arrived. 80 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: O'Connor may have waited years to deliver her defiant message, 81 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: but it would be several years longer before most Americans 82 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: would understand the true target of her protest. In her youth, 83 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: O'Connor had spent eighteen months in a Magdalene asylum, a 84 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: Catholic institution meant to house troubled or promiscuous teenagers. The 85 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: numerous cases of child abuse that occurred at sites like 86 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: this were an open secret in Ireland for decades. In fact, 87 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: just one year after O'Connor's performance on Saturday Night Live, 88 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: a mass grave was discovered on the grounds of one 89 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 1: such asylum. In response, an investigation was launched by a 90 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: U N Committee for Children's Rights. By the early two thousands, 91 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: these abuses, and thousands of others like them, were finally 92 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 1: laid bare for the people of Ireland, the United States, 93 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: and the rest of the world to see. 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