1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: All right. Bobby Cast today is with Caroline Hobby, who 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of. I think you're gonna like 3 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: this conversation a lot. She does a great podcast called 4 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: Get Real, but it just gets really you can see 5 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: as we talked, because she just started hitting me with 6 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: stuff in questions and she's just great. And I hope 7 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: you guys like her podcast if you want to go 8 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: check it out, but I want you to listen to this. 9 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: And she came by we're actually meeting about some stuff, 10 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: and I was like, let's hop on a mic, and 11 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: I found that it was she was extremely vulnerable, very generous, 12 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: but then that's just how she is. When you agree, Mike, 13 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: I agree. And we finished this because we were going 14 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: to do it as part of a podcast on the 15 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: Bobby Cast, but we were like, dang, this is a 16 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,279 Speaker 1: real good conversation, not even so much an interview. We're 17 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: just gonna put it up for a bit to hear. Yeah, 18 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 1: her ability to open up so quickly, it's pretty amazing. Yeah, 19 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:44,959 Speaker 1: she opens up so quickly, which then makes you want 20 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: to open up as well. Yeah, because you're like, oh, 21 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: if she's going that far, I should go that far too. 22 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: Because she has kind of showed me the rules of 23 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: the game, and I want to play along. So check 24 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: it out. It's Caroline Hobby. She's sitting right here next 25 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: to me where she was when we did this interview. 26 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: And if you like it, go check out our podcast. 27 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: And if not, I hope you like this all right, 28 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: thank you guys. So Caroline Hobby is here, she has 29 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: Get real with Caroline Hobby. How do you feel like 30 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: the podcast is going. I's aught, it's going great. You 31 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: always find that it goes the best for me if 32 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: I find fulfillment from it, like when I bring people in, 33 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: like we had Chris Tomlin in recently. I didn't know 34 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 1: Chris at all. I did know him from bag Beans 35 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: and he came in, and but halfway through I was like, dang, 36 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: I didn't realize we're halfway through. Like I was enjoying 37 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: it so much, like I was getting something from it. 38 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: And I always find that I get the most from 39 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: things if I am just dedicated, attentive and care and 40 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: then I feel like in return, the podcast gets better too. 41 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: Are you feeling that with your guests where sometimes they 42 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: come on and you're like, oh man, this is exactly 43 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: what I needed. Yeah, I do. I feel like my 44 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: podcast if you look at the whole life of it, 45 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: starting from I think I think I started it in 46 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, if you look at like and I haven't 47 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: listened back to it because I think I'm a little nervous, 48 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: and I actually never listened back to my interviews. Do 49 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: you listen to Our Tears? No? I don't either. Why 50 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: is that? I think it's the same. I think it's 51 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: a little different. I've been doing it's so so so 52 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 1: long that I kind of know. Yeah, and I've done 53 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: it repetition so many times. I know when i'm off, Yeah, 54 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: you can feel it, and I know exactly if Mike 55 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: can I do an hour fifteen minutes, I'll be like, 56 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: after it's over and they leave, I'll be like, hey, 57 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: minute twelve I didn't like. And I can kind of 58 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: give Mike live notes and Mike does the two he 59 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: takes note. We've been doing this together for a long time, 60 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: so I don't really need to listen. I can kind 61 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: of live chat, but every once in a while I do, 62 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: and I cringe like crazy, Oh I hate me. I mean, 63 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: I know, but you're a version that you're really hysteric. 64 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: Do you enjoy your humor when you hear it back, 65 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: Like can you laugh at your humor? Like your joke 66 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: today was really fun. I'm over me, yeah, and I 67 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: get that. I feel that way. I'm over a career 68 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: that's me right, Like it's my brand that I have 69 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,119 Speaker 1: to talk about what I think, how I feel things 70 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: in my life. I'm so over me. People really care 71 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: about your advice like people, and you give really good advice. 72 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: So that's what I was actually noticing too, when people 73 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: call him for advice, Like your advice is good and 74 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: you're not scared to like say it. You're not worried 75 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: about cancel culture, are you? You don't ever cancel yourself 76 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: when you say it, but you say the real thing. 77 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: It's a fine line, it is. I've been really close 78 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: a couple of times. You're really good at it. Well. 79 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. And you're really good at making people 80 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 1: feel good, which but I work so well. But I've 81 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: noticed that about you in particular, because like you actually 82 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: push a lot of lines in quote unquote cancel culture, 83 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: but you're never coming at it from like a bad places. 84 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: You always have a redemption hook funny part. You hope 85 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: you hope. I mean, that's the goal, But I feel 86 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: like I don't listen to myself because I don't I 87 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: don't like how I talk. I don't like how I sound. Yeah, 88 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: I think I like what I stand for, but I 89 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: don't like anything about how I here. You know, And 90 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: it's Chris Thoma and I were talking about this because 91 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: he's had massive success in the Christian world, and I'm like, even, 92 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: it's like him and Garth and justin Timberlake and he 93 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,839 Speaker 1: sells out multiple knights at the Bridgetone. I'm like, how 94 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: do you deal with massive success? Because now you have money? 95 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: Chris Hamlin, and people look at you and you're like, well, 96 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to go without. You're a Christian and you 97 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: should have a nice car. You have worked hard to 98 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: deserve a nice car. But people have to be like 99 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: busting your chops if they say, oh, we'll look at 100 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 1: all Chris Tomlin. He's singing songs, but he's gotten. And 101 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: I was like, I came from a place where my 102 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: whole career has been built on hopefully being funny, but 103 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: hopefully understanding what it's like to come from a place 104 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: that doesn't have a lot of a lot of stuff 105 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: given to them. You know, I've didn't grow up with 106 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: the greatest upbringing, and I've always been the person that 107 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: stands up for that person. But now I still try 108 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 1: to be and I know what that's like. But it's 109 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: a bit difficult now because I don't want to lie 110 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: and act like I don't have too much money now. 111 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: But also but I want to be honest. But why 112 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: don't you You can just be the goal because yes, 113 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: and I try to do that, and my wife is 114 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 1: very good about that. She goes, just don't lie. But 115 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,679 Speaker 1: here's the thing. You're being honest who cares? And also, 116 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: like you need to think about it this way, because 117 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,119 Speaker 1: you are telling people here, you're telling them your story. 118 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: I came from humble beginnings. I had a rough time 119 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: with like my dad in all that situation. You've been 120 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: great about work ethic. I really wanted to be about 121 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: work ethic. But a lot of you still have your 122 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: work ethic And so what if you didn't have the 123 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: payoff to show all these people who have followed you religiously, 124 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: who are inspired by you, who you build up. I 125 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: hear you, but so like, you need to have the 126 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: payoff because then you're actually you're saying. I agree. I 127 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: think I'm a version of one version of the American dream. 128 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: And even like you're getting married to Kaitlin, like you 129 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: set you left me and other nerds out there, but 130 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: not does that like she's a good person. That yeah, 131 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: she's awesome, she's smart and she is wise, and so 132 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: it's like you let yourself, let yourself there to have 133 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: it all, and you came from such a different place. 134 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: So I think that that is very inspiring and why 135 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,679 Speaker 1: people love to follow you. I get crushed for both. 136 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: I get crushed if I'm like, well, that means people 137 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: are thinking about you. Oh yeah for sure, so oh yes, 138 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: but that's Do you like having people think about you? Yeah? 139 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: I have to my job. But does it bother you 140 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: that all that energies on you? No, the energy doesn't 141 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: bother me, but it doesn't. Know. Every once in a while, 142 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 1: it'll be so personal and so wrong where someone's like, 143 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: well I know this, and it's it's just factually inaccurate, right, 144 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: Like a lot of the Caitlin stuff, they were just lies. 145 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 1: This is not true. That bothers me a bit. And 146 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: now I was never bothered by anything until she came along. 147 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: Because I would just be like, screws you guys, Like 148 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: I got a path, I'm crushing this path kicker rocks. 149 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: You don't like it, who cares? It's made it different 150 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: with her, right, um, And that's good that you respect 151 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: that for her. Well, I mean, look at you and 152 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: your husband. You guys are both public figures and you 153 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: both have to deal with front facing careers where he's 154 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 1: a lead singer, he's of a band. Here you are 155 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: doing a podcast, You've been on tea and we've both 156 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: had to like ride the wave, like we've had really 157 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: big highs and really big lows and like that's been 158 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: it's but it's it's it's great. Is there a time 159 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: where it gets awkward because he's killing it and you're not, 160 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: Or you're killing it and he's not, and you don't 161 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: want to be like oh, because you know it's not 162 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: going great for one of them. Here's the thing I 163 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: know about Michael and I know about myself, and I 164 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: know this now because I am addicted self help and 165 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: I've done so much self help and Michael's probably like, 166 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: oh my god, I'll come in there trying to in 167 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: his office. I'll come in and I'll sit down and 168 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: I'll be like okay, and then I just like dive 169 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: into everything emotional, like make him talk about all of 170 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: his feelings. We basically have just constant therapy sessions. He's 171 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: exhausted with me with a therapist or each other. Is oh, 172 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: you're his the Yes. I make him share everything in 173 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: his life. That's funny. Okay, Ah, it's exhausting for him. 174 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: He's like half the time, he's like, can we just 175 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: have fun today? Do we have to have it be 176 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: so serious? I'm like, God, understand what's going on in 177 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: our soul? Is this new for you to be like that? Um? I? Okay? 178 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: So I have been on a quest where I have 179 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: always wanted to make people happy, Like I have been 180 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: like the best energy matcher in the world. Like, where 181 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: does that come from? As a kid? Were you a pleaser? People? Pleaser? 182 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: You're why? Why were you the youngest? Were you you 183 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: of kids? Were you? I think I just have just 184 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: you know my dad. I have a no nonsense father 185 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: who is amazing and I like the greatest, Like he's 186 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: really like what, I hope you agree with this? He 187 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: did your teeth. He's incredible to it. I don't know 188 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: how he is like emotionally sharing him. He is a 189 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: He is the kind of person that's like, I'm going 190 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: to be the best in the world, and I know 191 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: what it takes to me great. I'm gonna study with 192 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: the best people. I'm going to do all the work. 193 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: I am no excuses, Like literally, there is a way 194 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: I will find it, and I'm not going to sit 195 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: around and get sad about life because I'm going to 196 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: find a way which is awesome and it's so inspiring 197 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: and it's so like, Okay, I never had a moment 198 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: to like let myself get depressed, because like I just 199 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: didn't grow up with that option. I mean, although I 200 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: got depressed a lot, but like anyway, it's just like, 201 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: you know, you always had to figure out the way. 202 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: And so I think that I am such an emotional 203 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: person and so deeply um sensitive and I care so 204 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: much about everybody being happy. And I really heard about 205 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: my dad being happy with my mom being happy, and 206 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: we're moving at this fast pace all the time, and 207 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: because my dad just constantly bettering himself, like always doing 208 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: the next best thing to get to the next level, 209 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: because he just has a mind for greatness, which I love. 210 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: But I think that I just like didn't like deal 211 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: with a lot of my feelings growing up, you know, 212 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: And I was like already kind of insecure and emotional, 213 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: and so I kind of figured out like what worked 214 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: well and like where I could get get things going 215 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: positively for me. And so I just was always really 216 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: happy and cheerful, unless like unless I got drug and 217 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: trying to make out someone and yelled at him, which 218 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: there are several people who would not say, I'm cool. 219 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: Thank you were getting happy almost as a tool to 220 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:50,719 Speaker 1: get people to like you. It wasn't that you were 221 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: genuinely happy. It was that if you presented happiness, people 222 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: were drawn to that. Yeah, I liked you, and that 223 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: was the goal, and I could make them happy because 224 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: I could tell them things that made I'm happy about themselves. 225 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: Were you sad clown as an adult? Was I a 226 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 1: sad clown? Being? On the outside, you're a clown? Everyth like, 227 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: look at the clown all you must be so happy, 228 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,599 Speaker 1: but inside you're like, I know, I'll look happy and 229 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: feel happy, but I'm really not. Yes, I got to, 230 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: and then but then it grew. Then it grew so 231 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: much that like I was energy matching with the whole world, 232 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 1: like I would take I would literally have like nervous 233 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,599 Speaker 1: breakdowns because I would feel all of the pain and 234 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: suffering that people were feeling, like the news. If you 235 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 1: watch the news and like children like oh god, children suffering, 236 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 1: Like I will just burst in tears like I can't 237 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: handle it, Like I just innocence, not being valued and 238 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: like protected like crushes me and so. But then I 239 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: would just feel all these feelings and I would um 240 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: hold him. How does Michael do with feelings? Because my 241 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: wife's like an EmPATH, me too, part of your own people, 242 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: and I am do you feel everything? Like I don't have. 243 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: I have serious situational empathy. I don't have emotional empathy 244 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: because I go no time for emotion. We gotta make 245 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: crap happen. Yeah, and so I have situational like I 246 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: know what it's like. I've been there. Let me help you. 247 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: But if you're just sad, I'm like, I don't, well, well, 248 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,839 Speaker 1: let's figure how to not be sad. That's good. So 249 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: we we're just so different. Are you a Michael the 250 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: same or different? Is he an EmPATH? Well, Michael has 251 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: He is very, very very He's just so non judgmental 252 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: of people. Like Michael had so much stuff that he 253 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: went through in his childhood and he's like interact with 254 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: all different types of people, like all levels of life, 255 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: and like he just knows he's had deaths at an 256 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: early age, he's lived through big traumas and this is 257 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 1: all his story to share. But like he just knows 258 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: that life is like really really really precious and that 259 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: it can like literally go away from you in a 260 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 1: day or in a second, and like anything can happen 261 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: to anyone at any time. And so he lives with 262 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: this tension of really like let and go and enjoying 263 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: life and following his dreams within like not being obsessed 264 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: with the fact that like people can disappear. It's a 265 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: pretty good life education. And the hard thing about an 266 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:11,719 Speaker 1: education is you have to put it in a work 267 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: to get it right, regardless of what it is. You know, 268 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: you have your specific life education, all the crap that 269 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: you've had to go through to gather your tools. Same 270 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: with me, same with anybody listening to this, right, we 271 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: have our different versions of education with different colleges of 272 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: life and so but I think that's what makes your 273 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,559 Speaker 1: podcast so good is that you genuinely seem to care 274 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: because you genuinely care, because you are so empathic. I 275 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: really want people to be happy, like and not just like, oh, 276 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: you have a car and have a house and like 277 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: have a million dollars happy, Like that's not what I'm 278 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: talking about, Like I really and I think because I've 279 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: wanted this for myself for so long. This has been 280 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: like my big journey was to like understand my value 281 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: and to understand like my worth and to understand what 282 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: I am contributing and how I can like better the 283 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: world and not feel overwhelmed by it and saddened by 284 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: it because like I do have a strong work ethic. 285 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: But that was like part of me, like being a 286 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: chameleon in the days, Like it all was trying to 287 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: play the roles that I thought I needed to play. 288 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: And that's why, like everyone listening to my podcast knows, 289 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: I've talked about my freaking hair for a year, but 290 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: that's why I like cut my hair off and dyed 291 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: it brown. And that sounds crazy, but like I was 292 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: so attached to long bond hair that like, if I 293 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: don't have long bond hair, if I don't present myself 294 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 1: as this bubbly, happy, beautiful easygoing person that makes everyone 295 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: feel good. Then no one that I have no value, 296 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: So I need to play this role. Wow, so that's 297 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: why the change good for you. So I did it 298 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: one day. I literally was like there's some self awareness. 299 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: It was like, and I'm someone who has to do 300 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 1: very dramatically, like I can't like tiptoe into stuff, Like 301 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: when I go into stuff, I'm like a freaking tidal wave. 302 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: And so that's why I like Michael and eloped, like 303 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: we literally I didn't get we didn't have a wedding nothing. 304 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: Like if I'm going to make a big decision in 305 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: my life, it's gonna be like on a five second 306 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: radius turn, like I'm gonna make it so fast, so 307 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: which is crazy, but like I just like I get 308 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: myself so ready for the change, like I feel so 309 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: like done with where I am that I can't stand 310 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: it for one more second. And then the opportunity comes 311 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: for the big change, and like I already know what 312 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: I want and I'm aligned with it, and I just 313 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: make it and I just go freaking crazy, like it's nuts. 314 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: So I did that with my hair. I was like 315 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: I was in this place where I was like I 316 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: have to detach from this avatar that I've built, like 317 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: I don't know what I am anymore. And I became 318 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: a mom and then like when I came mom, I 319 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: was so interesting. You're right, it is. Yeah, I'd built 320 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: this person and she'd worked really well for me and 321 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: she's a good person, and like, I'm in there and 322 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: that is me. But like I'm also like, but like 323 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: who am I when I'm not trying to energy match 324 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: every single person like I? And this is my impath 325 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: self too. I will walk into a room and I 326 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: will immediately feel what everybody needs, like I know what 327 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: they need, I know what their story. If I get 328 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: a chance to talk to you, I will hear your story, 329 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: I will feel your story. I will be able to 330 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: completely tell you your whole life story and feel all 331 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: of your pain within like twenty minutes of talking to you. 332 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: And I think that's what makes the podcast work. But 333 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: I've been stuck in this like sad spot with it 334 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: for a long time because I get so hooked on 335 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: people's sadness because it kills me that it happened. I'm 336 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: not going to compare it to this exactly that some 337 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: people to get other but hurt over this, But I 338 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: have friends who were in our CPS, workers or school 339 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: teachers or police officers, and all are different. But I'll 340 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: have to go through every day exhausting emotional elements and 341 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: it takes a toll on all of them. And I'm 342 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: not comparing you to them in that way, but you 343 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: are doing something extremely emotional consistently with people, and if 344 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: you're someone who sits in it and it's hard for 345 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: you to get up out of it, that can be taxing. 346 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: I just can't get strength, and it's also your weakness 347 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: at the same time, I can't get over that it happened, 348 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: Like that's what kills me, Like I can't get over 349 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: and I'll cry talking about like I can't get over it, 350 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: like the FedEx truct thing like that I had to 351 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: cry about the bird day, Like I just can't get 352 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: over the sadness in the world. It kills me, like 353 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: a FedEx guy like oh, they they choked a girl, 354 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: like dig that girl? And I'm like yeah, oh, But 355 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: then I feel so sad because I feel bad for 356 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: the guy because I'm like, what happened to you? Like 357 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: where were you? Like not loved and like and I 358 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: just like I feel for the whole world so much, 359 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: Like it breaks my heart every day, and so that's 360 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: why I just want people to truly feel loved. That's 361 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: a tool, Like, but I really do, Like I really 362 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: want people to feel love. You have an excellent tool 363 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: that can help a lot of people. But the problem 364 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: with having a really great too can take you down, 365 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: is it that yeah, at the same time, and that's 366 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: what's happened, Like I've reached a breaking point with it, 367 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: Like that's why I hired a life coach this year, 368 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: Like I freaking hired a life coach, Like what in 369 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: the f Like I heard a life coach because I'm like, 370 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: I have got to break these freaking like blocks that 371 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: I have, Like I cannot be effective world if everything 372 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: kills me. Like that's not happy, Like and I have 373 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: this daughter to raise and like I love her so much, 374 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: and like I'm just feeling so sad all the time 375 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 1: thinking about anything that could happen to her, and it's 376 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: like wrecking my life. And I'm like, this is not joy, 377 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: this is not happy, This is not helping anyone. All 378 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: I'm doing is like noticing all the pain in the 379 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: world and feeling so awful that it happened, but I'm 380 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: just holding that spot of sadness and it started to 381 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: overtake me, like when COVID happened and I'm making a 382 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 1: mom and all that, Like I literally was like losing 383 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: grip on like myself. So I got an antidepressant for 384 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: a year, which actually really helped. I'd never had done 385 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: that before. I was like, I gotta like mute myself 386 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: for a while, and that was great and I was 387 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 1: able to like really like try to just like detach 388 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,719 Speaker 1: and like get some This is why I'm like such 389 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: an advocate for mental help, because like the stuff that 390 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: we carry, all of us to carry such different stuff, 391 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: but it takes up bandwidth in your brain and it 392 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 1: blocks you from really being able to serve your highest good. 393 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: Like it's I'm not serving anyone by being sad for them, 394 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: Like what serving them is, Like what you do is 395 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: take action and like say, Okay, I see this. I'm 396 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 1: not gonna sit around and be sad about it forever. 397 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna like do some stuff. I'm gonna make it happen. 398 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna like get I hear you, but I'm telling you, 399 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 1: it's like too different. We have sharpened our tools to 400 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: the point where sometimes it cuts off our own hands. 401 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: Because you're right, I don't have any emotion and I 402 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: have all the emotions. Yeah, that's right. And because I 403 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: am going, okay, I know that sucks. It sucks for 404 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: them for me, So let's go for a to B 405 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:37,719 Speaker 1: and let's fix it and let's move to the next thing. 406 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: Because I but I'm like, it can't be fixed because 407 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: it was broken. And then I hate that it was broken, 408 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 1: and I feel so sad that it was broken ever 409 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 1: to begin with. But now what I have to realize is, 410 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,959 Speaker 1: and I know this, but like I know that this 411 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: life is leaning. I truly believe that, like we're gonna 412 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: have lots more of experiences like in other realms and forms. 413 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: But like I just think that we to this life 414 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 1: to learn a specific lesson. I really do, and sometimes 415 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: the lessons suck, and I really believe that, and I 416 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 1: think that like all of it is really really a 417 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 1: part of the bigger picture, so you can become a 418 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: truly fulfilled human being who had this life experience that 419 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 1: it's not just for this life, it's for the bigger 420 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: picture of your soul. It's like you have to learn 421 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: the lesson that you came here for. And sometimes it's 422 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: not good, but then you have to know that because 423 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,479 Speaker 1: like what if if you didn't go through something awful 424 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: that broke your heart that you thought you can never 425 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: get over, but then you actually find forgiveness in your heart, 426 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: Like the feeling of being able to forgive someone is 427 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 1: a huge blessing, and you would have never known what 428 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: that true forgiveness feels like if you hadn't been so betrayed. 429 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: So it's like it's the education, right, Yeah, way to 430 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: go to school, way to get our education that so 431 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: then we get better at it. Yeah. But I think 432 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: this is why your podcast is so good and is 433 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: doing so well, is because you're comfortable to be with. 434 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: We Anybody talking to you feels like they're cared about, 435 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: You're genuinely curious, and you're extremely vulnerable. Yeah, and those 436 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: are makes for a freaking wreck of a human it does, 437 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: but it makes for that's some in constant therapy. It 438 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: makes for somebody that people trust and enjoy experiencing with. 439 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say listen to I'm gonna say enjoy experiencing 440 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: with because it is I care for people, I really do. 441 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: I can say that from about my heart, Like even 442 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: if I don't prefer you as a human, like even 443 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: if you're not like my style, and like we don't 444 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 1: like viney my style. Yeah so, but even if we 445 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: don't vibe, I still care for everyone, Like I not 446 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: in the sense like sometimes I think people are complete 447 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 1: assholes and like do terrible things, but I'm like I 448 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: can backtrack enough to get to the beginning of their 449 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: story to understand how this happened. I do that too, 450 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: So I'm like, Okay, I'm not really mad at you. 451 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: You're just acting out in a way that is due 452 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: to all these other feelings, and it's totally normal, and 453 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: we don't all need to sit around and hate someone 454 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: for doing some thing in a reaction to how they feel. 455 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: Like It's just we're humans. We all are trying to 456 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,959 Speaker 1: like heal our souls, whether we know it or not, 457 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: and it comes out in a million different ways. And 458 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: so yeah, I genuinely think if everyone could like see 459 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: feel they're true, like just how important they are, and 460 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: like know that and really know that no matter what happens, 461 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: we get so caught up in circumstances that have happened 462 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: to us, Like we really think that we are our circumstances, 463 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: and we forget that that's just not the truth. Like 464 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: our circumstances are happening to us to fulfill our life's mission, 465 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: our soul's mission. And so it's like if we can 466 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: like reverse our minds and then be like, Okay, this 467 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: is happening to me because it's literally taking me to 468 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: a higher level. But it's just learning that and doing 469 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 1: all the work to get there is exhausting. You have 470 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: a real gift. I think sometimes no, well that that too, 471 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: but I do too. But I think you have a gift. 472 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: And I think sometimes the gifts that we're given, we 473 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: live with them so we don't recognize them anymore. And 474 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: if you're sitting in the same room all the time, 475 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: it's just the same old room, regardless of how many 476 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: gold plated trinkets there are. You have a real gift. 477 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 1: I think that's why people are drawn to you. I 478 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: think your education is not only you growing up where 479 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: you grew up with who you grew up with, but 480 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: also the adventures that you've been on. And I don't 481 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: even just mean amazing race, I mean your life adventures. 482 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: It's been a constant adventure I have literally no idea 483 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: where we're going next, I mean ever from stealing angels? Yeah, 484 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: amazing race growing up in Texas. It's again, you have 485 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: such an education and you have such empathy and respect 486 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: for human that I think that's why people are drawn 487 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: to you, so don't I know you you want to 488 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,360 Speaker 1: not live in it all the time, but you don't 489 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: want to run from it because you have something that 490 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: a lot of people don't have, and you're really great 491 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,239 Speaker 1: at sharing that with people. But your biggest strength can 492 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: also if you're not careful and you're getting into this 493 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: land now, you can also be your biggest weakness. Mine 494 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: is I don't stop and I focus and I just go, go, go, go, go, go, 495 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: don't stop. I don't feel like I do you not 496 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: get so tired? But how do you? But you keep going? 497 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: But it's I don't, I shouldn't do this. Where's the 498 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: final goal for you? There's no, there's not one. Do 499 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: you just but you just love the doing of it all? 500 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: Would you just love the doing of fear? What's the 501 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,719 Speaker 1: fear that I'm going to end up like I started? 502 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: But you already are so far past that. Okay, now 503 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: you're my wife, that's what she says. So she says, 504 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 1: she goes, hey, you don't have to kill yourself. Why 505 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: are you you're working fourteen hours today? Sixteen hours you're 506 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 1: working on something else shows if you really want to 507 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: do that, and it's creatively she didn't do it. But 508 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: you're fine. You've worked yourself out of the hole. But 509 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: that's always just like you. That's always going to be 510 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: a part of who I am, even if I want 511 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: to change it a little bit. So I'm trying to 512 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: modify it slightly. What do you what is the part 513 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: that you don't want to go back to. I don't 514 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: want to go back to knowing if I'm going to 515 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: be able to eat dinner or afford shoes. But you know, 516 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 1: you always are an excellent interview and knowing and me 517 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: knowing are two different things. So you really believe believe No, 518 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: my brain doesn't believe it. My brain believes I could 519 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: retire right now and be great the rest of my life. 520 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: But like my have you gone? Have you gone by? 521 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: This doesn't sounds so in my collection of nards, is 522 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: like just like that, you could be right back there 523 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: having a move trailers or move apartment's constantly because you 524 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: can't afford to stay in it for another month and 525 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: not knowing if you're going to get a meal or 526 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 1: if you're ever going to see if your mom's gonna 527 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: be home this week or that part is still there 528 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: and I know with my brain that's not happening again, 529 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: But it's like my composition is perpetually scared of that. 530 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: Have you gone back and done like some work on 531 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: like your inner child? Yeah, I went to I've done. 532 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: I've had some great therapists we've done that, went on 533 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: site to that by myself, Um, yes a lot. And 534 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: I always come away from that going like dang again, 535 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not a big fan of me because 536 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: I'm always with me and I have to be somebody 537 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 1: who's so like you have to buy into me because 538 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: that's my job and sometimes people like me all it 539 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: does talk about himself. Trust me, I say that too, 540 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 1: like GOHI dang man? Can I just not? But here's 541 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: the thing, Listen, I hired a life coach and I 542 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: actually was blown away with this whole life coach like 543 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 1: world because I'm like, whoa people are charging a you 544 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: can say whatever you want a ton of money to 545 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: literally talk to people and tell them good advice, like 546 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: good advice like And that's the thing that's like interesting 547 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: to be a boy a life coach because I think 548 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: that you are actually like a life coach for a 549 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 1: lot of people. But I don't believe in that my 550 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: advice is right. I believe that I have a perspective 551 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: based on the life that I've lived. I don't like 552 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: advice generally because it's it's everybody else's education to the 553 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: point where they're now, it's spitting out what they know, 554 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 1: how it affects you, which you didn't live the same life. 555 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: There are elements of it I like from people. I'm 556 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: not a big advice guy. I believe you, and I 557 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:54,959 Speaker 1: I mean, I agree with you on all that. But 558 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: like what I'm trying to say though, is okay. So, 559 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: like I have this friend who was actually in my 560 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: life coach class, and she and her husband were like 561 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: high school sweethearts and mispash. Her name is Ashley Renard. 562 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: She has a book called Swing y'all check it out, 563 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: but like she here's what it is. It's an interesting story, honestly. 564 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: So she and her husband were like high school sweethearts 565 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 1: and they fell in love and they had like a 566 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: great marriage and everything was like honky dory. They have 567 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: three kids and you know, great, perfect on paper. So 568 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: they I guess were he wasn't really happy. It should 569 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: be honest, it really is literally about swing. Oh he 570 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: wasn't really happy, and so he kind of like got 571 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: a little flirty going on. Nothing. I don't know what 572 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: exactly happened, but this is all in the book. This 573 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: is what I'm telling you. So then he had this 574 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 1: idea that they should try to be swingers. And she 575 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: is just crazy enough and she's like a professional um 576 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: ice skating coach and she's been a coach, and she 577 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: loves to win and she loves hard things, and so 578 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: she's like, okay, let's do it. So they got into 579 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: swinging and they ended up like she ended up falling 580 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: in love and then almost like blowing up the marriage 581 00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: all this stuff. But like, what all of that came 582 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: down to is she has now this understanding of marriage 583 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: that like and understanding of the spectrum from the beginning 584 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: to the end that like most people could never understand, 585 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: and then they came out of it and now they're 586 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: stronger than ever. And now she coaches people on how 587 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 1: to keep knogging me hot. So it's like she went 588 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: through all of this to really get this like fine 589 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: tuned expertise that she could never have gotten. It's a 590 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: hard education unless she walks through it and considered blowing 591 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: up her whole life. And so that's why like you 592 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: are And that's the same thing with like my life coach. 593 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: That's what I'm realizing. People don't pay people for like advice. 594 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,719 Speaker 1: Really they want to hear them because they trust your story. 595 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: Like you have this story, and that's why it's okay 596 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: for you to be winning right now, because you have 597 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: the story that like people are saying, like, oh my god, 598 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: like I can trust him, I can like believe in him, 599 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: and I can see that he like has gotten to 600 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: the other side. And you share how you got to 601 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 1: the other side. It's not like you're hoarding this information. 602 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,719 Speaker 1: You're telling people what you're doing, how to do it, 603 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: how to have your mindset, you're writing books, you're going 604 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you're sharing this information with people, so like 605 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 1: you're not being like a selfish steward of it, Like 606 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 1: you're really being generous with like your information. And I 607 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: think that that's why people come to you and you 608 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 1: should be proud of that and embrace that, and like, honestly, 609 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 1: like who just pay a shit ton of money to 610 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: give information like you and you just give it away. 611 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,199 Speaker 1: I know you made money another way. They pay a 612 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: fine sum to me for this. Okay, here's what I 613 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 1: want to say, and I ramble again. I'm sorry, I 614 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: get off track. It's good. I enjoy spending time with you, 615 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: and I want our listeners to do the same. So 616 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna encourage you guys to check out Get Real 617 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: with Caroline Hobby. New episodes every Monday. There are many 618 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: episodes on How twos on Thursdays. Her recent episodes Michael 619 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,239 Speaker 1: Chandler the UFC Fighter. Oh that is a good one. 620 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: He says how to lose like a winner because he 621 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: just lost like a huge fight, a UFC fight at 622 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: Madison Square Garden and he has like the most incredible 623 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: mindset ever and he was talking about how to actually 624 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: lose when you are a winner. It's great and so 625 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: much more talking about there asking Renard the Live podcasts 626 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: to Cassie Kelly and Kayleie Dickerson, and so I encourage 627 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: you to check out our podcast. I think if you 628 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: listen to this, you're probably like, I need to go 629 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: check out that podcast. It's very powerful. Don't lose it 630 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: from it. People say that, they're like, sometimes she goes 631 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: off track, and I do, but it's okay, But that's 632 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: who you are. Yeah, and I do a lot of 633 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: things communicatively that's annoying too, and that's just who I am. 634 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: And so you have a real strength. Don't run from it, 635 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: but you got to separate yourself from it at times. 636 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: That's why I just say about boundaries. I say that 637 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: to me too. I'm talking to both of us. Have 638 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: you like learned about boundaries because I just actually am 639 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: understanding what they are? Why? Yes, as in I've been taught, 640 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: Like I'm learning how to use them because my wife 641 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: is amazing. She is and she creates boundaries for her 642 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: and I was not to me, but she has boundaries 643 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: in every way. They're so healthy, and I'm like, dang, 644 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: Like she's nailed that she has boundaries about because she 645 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: doesn't want to be public, but she also knows that 646 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: she is. But she has boundaries there in that part too. 647 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: And we don't talk about what she does now because 648 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: people tracked her down another job and so it's a boundary, 649 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: we don't do it. I mean, when it's her story, 650 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: she'll be ready to. But yes, and then personal ones. 651 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: I have created them, and I struggle at times, but 652 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: they do exist now and I'm learning, Yeah, you too. 653 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: I used to share everything with everyone and I still do. 654 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: I have to like stop myself same. I'm like you 655 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: and then people like look at me after I like 656 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: vomit on them and they're like, I'm like what that? 657 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: What that thought? Normal? At Carol Hobby Get Real with 658 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: Caroline Hobby, Big Things. Your podcast is killing it. You 659 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: are because of Get Real with Carolin Hobby. You're in 660 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: the one percent of all podcasts just in general. We 661 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: have over almost eight million downloads. Like the podcast is 662 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: doing awesome, and Carolyn comes in and goes, he do 663 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: you may listen this last month and I'm like, yes, 664 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: here's the hundreds of thousands from this part. Here's so 665 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: I hope you guys check it out and it's just great. 666 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: Keep doing it. We're gonna find a way to make 667 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: you bigger and better. Hey, I think you because we 668 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: can always get bigger and better. Yeah, and it doesn't 669 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: always mean bigger and better in every traditional sense that 670 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: were fulfillment my goal first, Yeah, peace and fulfillment, Like 671 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: I literally want to spend every bit of my time 672 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: doing things that bringing me fulfillment and peace and better 673 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: and then share that because that's what I hope for everyone. 674 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: And I want to find things I like that don't 675 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: have sugar because I love sugar. Added I drink at 676 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: Doctor Pebber every day. I just wanted. I just need 677 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: to find things out. What's your what's your go to sugar? 678 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: Like if you okay yours, you're going crazier. And now 679 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: like you're driving in your car, you have to get 680 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: a sugar. What are you getting? I'll stop and get 681 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: a little DeBie Zebra cake at the gas station. Oh 682 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: that's your choice. That's I grew up on them. So 683 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: that's Zebrak makes me feel comfortable, like I'm back home 684 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: and fluffy. There's not enough icing. It's I didn't ask 685 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: you to. You ask me a question, then you judge 686 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: me out my answer that I gave you because you 687 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: asked me. What about a kitcat? I love kitcats, but 688 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: that's a little that's like age twenty four or five 689 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: for me when I could what's comfort? Okay, so you're 690 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: comforting your little boy, Yeah, little Bobby. Yeah, oh you're 691 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: taking care of him. Yeah he needs ebra cakes. I 692 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: love that. Yeah that's great. All right, Caroline Hobby. Get 693 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: real with Caroline Hobby, Mike, anything you want to say. 694 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: This is my favorite kind of conversation. I just love this. 695 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: Have the doctors appointment. We could it for an hour. 696 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: Worry what are you doing? General? Oh all this have 697 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: high cholesterol. I just found out from eating all the 698 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: figure down the Crisco. You know what I mean? You 699 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: should go hand it. No, it's the freaking chess pie. 700 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: That's my go too. That's really good. Hey, I see 701 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: Abby and there. We asked her not to leave for 702 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: a second and need to ask for something. Yeah, um, okay, 703 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: look here's what I gotta go to the doctor. I 704 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: do a lot of these union or projects that I 705 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: try to do. They're like, do you have your physical 706 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: so I got to do it all the time. No, 707 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: you're in great shape and health. Good to know there's 708 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: been issues. But yeah, I'm work I work hard. Okay, 709 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: we go we go to a town, you know. All right, 710 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: get real with Caroline Hobby. You're the best, your a plus, 711 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: love it. Appreciate you, Mike that's it. I'm happy to 712 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: be in your company.