1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: From Mediators World News Headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This is 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: Cal's weekend review, presented by Steel. Steel products are available 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: only at authorized dealers. For more, go to Steel Dealers 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: dot com. Now here's your host, Ryan cal Callahan. Late 5 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: last month, President Joe Biden designated the first national monument 6 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: of his presidency. The Camp Hail Continental Divide National Monument 7 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: spans ten thousand acres in north central Colorado and is 8 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: best known as a World War Two training camp. Camp 9 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: Hale is where the Army's first Mountain Unit was trained 10 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: for insertion into the European theater. The camp gave the 11 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: tenth Mountain Division the ability to train for the harsh 12 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: winter conditions that were similar to those of the Alps 13 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: in Italy. There they made a name for themselves fighting 14 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: German soldiers in high mountain strongholds. More importantly, for conservationists, 15 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: Camp Hail provides critical winter range for elk, as well 16 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: as mule deer habitat migration corridors and headwaters fisheries. Hunters 17 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: and anglers are not understandably a little suspicious of national 18 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: monument designation, since many of them do not allow hunting 19 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: and fishing. Some presidents have used the Antiquities Act to 20 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: designate huge chunks of land, which critics say is not 21 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: what Congress intended when the Antiquities Act was passed. However, 22 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: it's worth pointing out that there are many national monuments 23 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: that allow hunting and fishing. For instance, among several species, 24 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: you can hunt pronghorn in the Rio Grand del Norte 25 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: in New Mexico. You can angle for trout and Brown's 26 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: Canyon National Monument in Colorado, and go after elk in 27 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: the Upper Missouri Breaks National Monument in Montana. Camp Hail 28 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: may not allow hunting, but like most national monuments, it 29 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: permanently protects habitat that game animals need to continue to thrive. Well, 30 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: we should go back put a little asterix there. As 31 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: we've seen in recent years, monuments can be batted back 32 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: and forth like a political ping pong ball, depending who's 33 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: in office. But for now, there's some very good protections 34 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: for very good habitat for these game critters that we 35 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 1: love to chase. Hunters and anglers should have a seat 36 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: at the table when presidents designate national monuments. We're gonna 37 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: talk more about having a seat at the table in 38 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: a special interview with the BLM director Tracy stone Manning 39 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 1: later on in this episode. But first, I'm gonna tell 40 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:29,399 Speaker 1: you about my week, and if you've been paying attention, 41 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: we're still on a serious bird hunting kick, but not 42 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: for long. We wrapped up a ducklower shoot in South Dakota. 43 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: If I had to somehow put it into context, I 44 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: would say this, if all the animals in my home 45 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: and beloved state of Montana New South Dakota existed, we 46 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: would have no animals in Montana, food cover, water, seemingly everywhere. 47 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 1: It's just on a totally different level than Montana. This 48 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: is how spoiled we were. We hunted a mix of 49 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: private and public land. In order to get private land access, 50 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: we did what everybody did, which was call and knock 51 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: on doors and put on a lot of miles on 52 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: the vehicle trying to track down the appropriate landowner, which 53 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: is hard to do right Like, as you may know, 54 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: custom farming is so prolific now that often the person 55 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: has the farming rights also has the hunting rights. But 56 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: the person who can give the type of land access 57 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: permission that we need in order to be able to 58 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: film is the actual land owner, not just the acting 59 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: agent of the landowner. So in order for us to 60 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: get permission, we had to get permission from the person 61 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: who had the hunting rights and the person who owned 62 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: the property. So that's a lot of extra calling and 63 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: a lot of explaining who you are, how we got 64 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: to be there, and uh, you know that we're not 65 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: going to make some sort of nasty adult film out 66 00:03:50,080 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: in their firm field. Anyway. Once we got that mission secured, 67 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: or if we were just going out on freedom loving 68 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: Americans public land, we basically never stopped seeing birds. Gadwall 69 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: widgeon teal like crazy everywhere, big flocks of mallards, not 70 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: necessarily everywhere, lots of geese. We were so confident in 71 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: the ducks sticking around that out of three days of hunting, 72 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: Sean and I only fired at one group of ducks together, 73 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: meaning that he and I would alternate. A flock would 74 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: come in, Sean would shoot one duck and send his dog. 75 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: The next flock would come in, I would shoot one 76 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: duck and send out snort. It was a retiree type 77 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: of hunting, relaxing. Even currently, the limit in South Dakota 78 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: is six birds, only five of which can be mallards, 79 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: only two of which can be canvas back, only one 80 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: of which can be a blue bill. Out of those 81 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: six birds, there can only be two hand mallards. You 82 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: got to know your regulations in every state. I'll tell 83 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: you that it actually makes it more fun, more interesting, 84 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: because before you pop up and pull that trigger, you 85 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: gotta do some real species and sex identification. That's tough 86 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: on a bird that moves as fast as a canvas back. 87 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,679 Speaker 1: Now for what you really want to hear the snort report. Snort, 88 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: I have to say, is like a seasoned professional, especially 89 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: when she's sitting right there next to a puppy. At 90 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: this point, I believe she knows if the shooter will 91 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: kill the bird before the shooter does. I can guess 92 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: at this by watching how seriously she considers the incoming waterfowl. 93 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: If she is on her toes kind of shaking a 94 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: little bit, chances are that duck is going to fall. 95 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: If she is content laying down with just her eyes working, well, 96 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: maybe we should have let that group pass. Snort is 97 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: very pro on her marks, as in she can identify 98 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: where that bird fell very well. She has a great 99 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: to possibly fantastic nose, but We're still working on some things. 100 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: She isn't super pumped on handing me the birds. She'll 101 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: carry birds for miles, but it isn't a real believer 102 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: in a strict handoff routine, which is something that we 103 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: can work on. But what's more concerning is she is 104 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: still very territorial around the dead birds that she has retrieved. 105 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 1: Sean's puppy Case, who is a sweetheart and also built 106 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: like a little brick shit house, ended up on business 107 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: and of this little yellow dog a couple of times. 108 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: Needless to say, we did some serious work on adjusting 109 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: the possessive attitude. This is the only dog I've ever 110 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: had behaved this way. I don't mind a tough dog, 111 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: but I do very much mind a dog that would 112 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: hurt another dog for no reason. Snorts, not biting hard 113 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: enough to like break skin or anything. But she's definitely biting, 114 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: not just nipping at another dog, which is concerning. That 115 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: bills are very common as a dog owner, especially to 116 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: a dog owner that runs their dog hard. We don't 117 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: need any additional VET bills caused by bad behavior anyway. 118 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: And as I said this week, we have a very 119 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: special episode lined up for you as I mentioned in 120 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: the intro. I recently had the opportunity to sit down 121 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: with the Director of the Bureau of Land Management, Tracy 122 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: stone Manning. Director stone Manning was appointed by President Joe 123 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: Biden in April of two thousand twenty one and confirmed 124 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: by the Senate in September of that year. Prior to that, 125 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: she served as the director of the Montana Department of 126 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: Environmental Quality, the chief of staff or Montana Governor Steve Bullock, 127 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: and as a vice president at the National Wildlife Federation. 128 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: We tackled a bunch of different topics in our conversation, 129 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: including what the BLM does, what the agency is doing 130 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: about landlocked public land, how oil and gas leases are 131 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: related to energy production, and what kinds of renewable energy 132 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: projects are coming down the pike. I also asked her 133 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: about her own experience hunting and fishing, and what her 134 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: message is to the outdoor community. As the BLM director, 135 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: stone Manning is responsible for managing two million acres. That's 136 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: the largest chunk of any federal land management agency, and 137 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: her decisions affect thousands of hunters and anglers who use 138 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: those lands every year. Stone Manning has been affiliated with 139 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: some controversial environmentalist groups. And I know not everyone who's 140 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: listening supported her appointment, but like the director says at 141 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: the end of our interview, it's important to stay in 142 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: communication with our representatives and policymakers, no matter which party 143 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: they belonged to. I was grateful Director stone Manning took 144 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: time out of her busy schedule to talk through some 145 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: of these important topics. So, without further ado, here's Director 146 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: Tracy stone Manning of the Bureau of Land Management. So 147 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: Bureau of Land Management in the West is, you know, 148 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: either the greatest thing or or the hand of government 149 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: overreach depending on who you talk to. I mean, as 150 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: you know, from your time here in Montana County to County, 151 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: the high Line to Southwest, the opinions can vary greatly. 152 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: I feel like many people see the BLM is an 153 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: incredible place to recreate and others don't honestly know what 154 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: the acronym means. But those lands are really set aside 155 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: for means of profit, for means of making money, And 156 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: there's grazing leases, there's mining leases, there's um all sorts 157 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: of means for extraction. And one of the interesting things 158 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: that you stepped into was this moratorium on mining leases 159 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: that Biden initiated when when he came into office, and 160 00:09:54,520 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: now we've seen that the lease processes is now ac 161 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: and and open for business. Is there such a thing 162 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:08,839 Speaker 1: as as balance on BLM land or is that system 163 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: of management something that the recreational user needs to just 164 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: assume that those lands are first and foremost UH set 165 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: aside for some form of extraction and then recreation second. 166 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: So let's start with what it stands for the Bureau 167 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: of Land Management. We have the incredible UH responsibility to 168 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: manage two dty million acres that all of us own 169 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: in common. And our job is to deliver both on 170 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: our multiple use mission. Multiple uses being everything from what 171 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: you just talked about going out and shooting an antelope 172 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: to developing energy. And so it's our job to make 173 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: sure that we're able to do those things into the 174 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: future in a sustainable way. So and it's you know, 175 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: it's it's what makes the work really interesting. When I 176 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: when I travel around the West and I talked to 177 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: my colleagues at the Bureau, I say why, what what 178 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: what keeps you here? And they typically say two things. 179 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: They say, the people like, we love working with people 180 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: with our colleagues and our mission, because our mission is 181 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: hard and it's really challenging, and it's really important. So 182 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: if we do our jobs right, we balance those uses 183 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: and we implement the laws as they were intended in 184 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: regards to the implementation and and balancing where does BLM 185 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: work with or interact with the state management plans that 186 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: may be in plays. So states are a huge partner 187 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: of ours, right. We have we have a bunch of 188 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 1: habitat and they and they manage the wildlife that relies 189 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: on that habitat. So we have to work really closely 190 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: with them and with tribes as well. UM and and 191 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: of course uh with our neighbors who are private landowners too. 192 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: I see it as we can't do our work um 193 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: without really closely working with the states. UM. And I 194 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 1: hope that the states see they can't do their work 195 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: unless we do our jobs right. We've covered on the 196 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: podcast here the Weekend Review many times, and I foresee 197 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: covering it many times in the future, the kind of 198 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: where those fences intersect the private, the federal, state and 199 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: federal in regards to corner crossing, and recently this this 200 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: has been in the works for for a while, but 201 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: the BLM had a public call to take submissions on 202 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: basically like coordinates the location of landlocked or inaccessible federally 203 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: managed lands Bureau Bureau of Land Management Lands being the 204 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: primary ask. And I wanted to ask you while I 205 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 1: have the opportunity to see how that ended up and 206 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: where will those submissions go from here? So it's really 207 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: excited about this work because, um, you know, hunters and 208 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: anglers and recreationists are not only sort of vital to 209 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: our mission, there are eyes and ears on the ground, 210 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: right and who better to tell us about where there 211 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: are landlocked parcels and the people trying to access those 212 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: landlocked parcels. So um, as a part of the Dingle Act, 213 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: we were asked to go ask the public, Hey, what 214 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: what lands can't you get to? That a public that 215 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: you want to be able to get to and the 216 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: response was overwhelming. I got like six thousands submissions. I 217 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 1: mean some of our sister agencies got like a couple dozen. 218 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: We got six thousand, right, And that tells me that 219 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: people really really care about these lands. Um the ability 220 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: to get to them, and you know, we we all 221 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: know what we're talking about, right, We could pick up 222 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: a hundred acres or access across the hundred acres to 223 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,839 Speaker 1: get to ten tho acres behind it. Right, that's the 224 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: kind of genie in the bottle we're trying to to 225 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: let go here. UM. So after after we went asked 226 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: the public, hey, what do you what do you got? 227 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: They gave a six thousand responses. Um, we did a 228 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: whole lot of work and our initial priority access list 229 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: includes about seven hundred and twelve distinct parcel that covers 230 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: three and a half million acres across their team states. 231 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: And what that is for us is an initial roadmap 232 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: on UM how to really focus land and modern conservation 233 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: fund acquisitions. Like it just gives us a to do 234 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: list to go open up three and a half million 235 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: acres across their teen states. But we're not done, we 236 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: we the portal is still up. When we're asking the 237 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: public again for more recommendations, I just I have to 238 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: ask what would a potential timeline be on land acquisition 239 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: or or the creation of ease months too landlocked public land. 240 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: I imagine there's many projects that are already in the works. 241 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: But do you do you have anything on the near 242 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: horizon that you could share with us? Yeah, well, you know, 243 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: way back in the day. My very first real job 244 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: in conservation was running the local land trust in Missoula, Montana. 245 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: UH and it's where I learned that private land transactions 246 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: are just that right. They're private, and they um and 247 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: they take the time that it needs to take for 248 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: the landowner to feel comfortable about about the project. So 249 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: some of them happened really fast, some of them take years. 250 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: We've got a pipeline of projects that we are just 251 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: continuing to work through, and there's really good news in 252 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: that the Land and Water Conservation Fund, as I'm sure 253 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: your listeners may remember, is now not only permanent, but 254 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: it's permanently funded. So we have we know that there 255 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: are resources and dollars out there for us to spend, 256 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: and so it enables us to be much better about 257 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: getting projects in the pipeline. We're not thinking like, well, 258 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: maybe we'll have money next year, maybe Congress will give 259 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: us that money, maybe they won't. Now we know it's 260 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: fully funded and we can just start being really methodic 261 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: about how we go about the work. That's that's great 262 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: to hear with UM Secretary Holland at the HELM. We're 263 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: starting to see I would say a much stronger voice 264 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: in regards to tribal representation. And one interesting topic that 265 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: does come up when when we started talking about the 266 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: Bears Years, Grand Staircases Kalante National Monument UH is access 267 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: in regards to sure the land is protected under a monument, 268 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: but can we actually use it? And that argument then 269 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: extends on to how will our ability to access the 270 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:27,360 Speaker 1: ground and state managed wildlife possibly change with more tribal 271 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: management representation. That's kind of a mouthful. I I apologize 272 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: for that, but I'll leave it as this. Do you 273 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: see any minor or major changes in the near future 274 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: with an increased tribal representation in regards to land land management? 275 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: I think it's going to make us smarter and better 276 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 1: about how we manage land. Let me let me back 277 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 1: up before we dive into bears here. Let me just 278 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: back up for a minute and and and be clear. Um, 279 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: you know, the BLM is committed to building and maintaining 280 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:03,959 Speaker 1: strong relationships which ribes and upholding our trust and treaty responsibilities. 281 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: The President has asked us to do that. The Secretary 282 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 1: has to do that. To do that, it's the right 283 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 1: thing to do, of course, um, and it it We 284 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: can go deeper um u in the work, meaning that 285 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: we can really explore and build meaningful, meaningful processes to 286 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 1: engage with tribal nations UM and incorporate indigenous knowledge into 287 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: land management decisions. So, for example, I had the incredible 288 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: fortune to spend a week this summer up in Alaska, 289 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: uh learning about subsistence folks who have lived off the 290 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: land their whole lives, Folks whose people's have lived off 291 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: the land for a millennia uh. And um. They had 292 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: very specific information and knowledge, for example, about parabout migrations 293 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: that we need to know that will make us better 294 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: at managing land up there. UM. So that kind of 295 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: engagement with tribes who who have been on the landscape 296 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: and living off the landscape for for a long long time, 297 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: it's just gonna make us better land managers, right. Um. 298 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 1: And when it comes to bears ears, I think there's 299 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: a misconception out there in the hunting world, and I 300 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: get to say that because I'm one of them, a hunter, uh, 301 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: that monuments are closed to hunting uh. And that's just 302 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: not always the case. UM. So you know, I have 303 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: a friend. I can still see the picture in my 304 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: mind's eye, this beautiful Tom Turkey that he that he 305 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: got in bears ears. That's going to continue, right, Um. 306 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: The work that we're doing with the tribes will help 307 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: inform our management plan, uh and help create our management plan. 308 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 1: But that plan is also being created with the public 309 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: through the laws that guide monument planning. And so I 310 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: would really urge the public to engage in the planning process. 311 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: We try to leave that takeaway on almost every episode. 312 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, really living at democracy right, Engagement matters, matters matters. Yeah, absolutely, 313 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: that's that's great. Um boy, what a phenomenal opportunity that 314 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 1: I wish we could fill up many hours on the 315 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: topic of subsistence. But that sounds like a great experience, 316 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: great opportunity up there. It sure was, and it um 317 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: I had reminded me, like what a remarkable thing that 318 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: there are places in our country where people still live 319 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: off the land, that that that there there is not 320 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,360 Speaker 1: a walmart. They are literally living off the land. And 321 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: are you know human culture has lost that in large 322 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: ways across the planet, um, And to and to make 323 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: sure that we protect that into the future is just 324 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: so important. Now, if you, as a hunter could choose 325 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: one species to subsist off of what would it be Elk. 326 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: That was a quick response to cal Elk. To be clear, 327 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: if I'm going to get really specific, great your navy family. 328 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: So prior to Montana, where where did you come from? 329 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: I grew up outside of Washington, d C. And when 330 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 1: I was twenty two, got in a little car and 331 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: drove to Missoula, Montana, and never looked back until this job. 332 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: That's wild. And so did did you you start hunting 333 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 1: in Montana? We did? I? Um, I started hunting in 334 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: my early thirties. Uh, My husband and I had a 335 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: piece of property, um, just outside of town. So I 336 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: had the outrageous privilege then of um harvesting meat on 337 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: land that I lived on. Excellent um white tails I imagine, 338 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 1: UM new lease mostly Yeah. And then um, have you 339 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: have you gone after the big antlers? Have you put 340 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 1: in for draw tags? What? What's your your hunting experience? 341 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: I am all about the freezer, so I've not I've 342 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: not gone after the big tags. I'm I'm really interested 343 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 1: in filling my freezer with beautiful meat. I'm a pragnatist 344 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: when it comes to hunting. That's that's fantastic. That's better 345 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 1: news for me because I can't draw anything as it 346 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: is so one last name. I mean, we're also Montana. 347 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: We're so lucky that just on a general license you 348 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: can you can do a pretty nice job of feeding yourself. 349 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, And I do think that, Um, you know, 350 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: we always grew up where the trophy, the big antlers 351 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: were certainly on your mind, but you weren't going to 352 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 1: pass up something smaller that was guaranteed. Exactly, And the 353 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: way that I feel like the wildlife management in the 354 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 1: state has provided for for both opportunities on a general tag, 355 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: which is pretty amazing. Feat Yeah, exactly. You know, energy 356 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: is is and will continue to be at a dominant 357 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: topic here. And we've heard that the lease process gets 358 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: kind of it gets kind of dumbed down to the 359 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 1: more lease opportunities, the more domestic oil and gas that 360 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: will be produced. Again, I had had this in the notes, 361 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: but you know, my one meeting there at the Department 362 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: of the Interior, the meeting room that we were in 363 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 1: was full of drill bits and and uh fracking uh 364 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 1: implements and things like that, and it seemed very straightforward 365 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: that Department of the Interior BLM, we're here to extract 366 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: and and have energy at at top of mind. But 367 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: how how true is it to say that the amount 368 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 1: of leases directly correspond to the amount of oil and 369 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 1: gas produced here in the US. Well, I think we 370 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: could probably just look the numbers. Right. There are about 371 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: twenty three million acres of land under lease right now 372 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: for oil and gas production. Only half of those are 373 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: being produced. So there are roughly you know, eleven million 374 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 1: acres or so, give or take of lands that are 375 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: under lease that don't that the companies haven't even asked for, 376 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 1: uh permit to drill on yet. There's also almost nine 377 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: thousand permits to drill in hand for oil and gas companies. Um. 378 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: They have the right to to to go drill and 379 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: use those permits today. Um. They have made a choice 380 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 1: not to do so in many cases. UM. And that's 381 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: a business choice and it's their choice to make because 382 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: they have the right to do so. UM. So I 383 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: think that the supply issue is very clear. The supply 384 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: is there, It's there for the taking. There's almost nine 385 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: thousand permits, there's almost ten million acres of land under lease, 386 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: and the next step after the lease is to go 387 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: get to permit. Um. So there's plenty of supply out 388 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: there is what I'm trying to say, uh, and I'm 389 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: not gonna you know, gas on why companies choose to 390 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 1: or to or choose not to activate those permits. I 391 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 1: imagine BLM Land is going to be a huge part 392 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: of renewable energy production as well. Are we seeing an 393 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: increase in leases or permitting for wind, solar, etcetera? We 394 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: sure are. So there's UM the Energy Act has asked 395 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: us to and President Biden has asked us to permit 396 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: twenty five gigawatts of power on public learns by and 397 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: so we're seeing with this, with this national commitment to 398 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: turn to a clean energy future, UM, we are seeing 399 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: a big uptick in companies looking for permits on for 400 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: both solar and wind and to some extent geothermal. And 401 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:16,239 Speaker 1: there are some places where development is underway and in 402 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 1: really sort of remarkable ways, like down in the California desert. 403 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 1: There's a plan there that was put together over eight 404 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,959 Speaker 1: years uh that where all these people came to the 405 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: table uh and said, Okay, where should we have development, 406 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: Where should we have solar? Where should we uh? Where 407 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: should we protect desert tortoise? Where should we allow for 408 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: motorized wreck and non motorized wreck and remarkably, folks came 409 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: to agreement. Uh. And now we're implementing that plan. UM. 410 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: And because all that work was done up front, the 411 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: work for actually getting the rights of way out the 412 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: door on the solar projects is all the much easier 413 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: and it's going all the faster because all that front 414 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: end work was done about determining where it was appropriate 415 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: to do the development. We have three minutes left. You know, 416 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: I really want to make sure that you have the 417 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: opportunity to address our crowd. You know, it's this is 418 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: a conservation specific podcast. You know it's it's a hunting 419 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 1: an angling crowd. And if you have anything you would 420 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: like to say, specifically dire crowded, I definitely want to 421 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 1: make sure that you have the opportunity to do so. Yes, please, Uh. 422 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: Like already you're engaged in UM things about hunting and 423 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: fishing because you're listening to this podcast. So thank you 424 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: for that. And I would ask that you take that engagement, 425 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 1: UM and do the work to make sure that your kids, 426 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: your grandkids get the same kind of opportunities that we 427 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: all have today. UM. It is the fact that we 428 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: have two million acres of public lands on which to go, 429 00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: recreate and hunt and fish. Didn't happen by a mistake. 430 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,959 Speaker 1: It happened because people worked really hard for it. And 431 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 1: the fact everybody knows who's listening to this, the fact 432 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: that we still have robust uh UM game populations UM 433 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 1: in many places is because we worked hard on conservation 434 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: measures that were funded in part by you know, um 435 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: the seats off ammunition UM, and funded in part by 436 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 1: people who really care. So my ask is that people 437 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: stay engaged in making sure that we have as the 438 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: climate changes around us, as as habitat changes around us, 439 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: we have to stay all more engaged to ensure that 440 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: wildlife have places to own UH and that our kids 441 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: and our grandkids have access to them. And what would 442 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: be the best means of engagement, you know, UM not 443 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: to hedge, But it depends, all right, It depends on 444 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: the person. Some people are introverts, some people are extroverts, 445 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: And it depends on where you live. UM. But typically 446 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: in pretty much every town in America there are uh 447 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: local groups that do everything from river clean ups to 448 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: UM to advocating state legislatures, to advocate advocating the federal government. 449 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: Find those local groups and volunteer. So many of us 450 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: started our careers as volunteers. Uh. And it doesn't mean 451 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: you if you're volunteering, it doesn't mean that you need 452 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: to jump into a career in conservation. But it sure 453 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: makes where you live a better place, sure makes your 454 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: community a better place. Excellent. Thank you so much for 455 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: your for your time, and we certainly look forward to 456 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: uh finding ways for more access Unlocking public lands was 457 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: on the top of my list, top of mine too, 458 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: So let's go do that. Thank you, Ryan. That sounds 459 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: great while bump into Missoula sometime, I'm sure so all right, good, 460 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: take good care. Thank you too. That's all I've got 461 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: for you this week. Thank you so much listening. Remember 462 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: to write in to a s k C. A L. 463 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: Let's ask Cal at the Meat Eater dot com. And also, 464 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: don't forget if you're about to head out into the 465 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: woods buck a bunch of firewood for hunting camp, head 466 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: on down to www. Dot steel Dealers dot com and 467 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: find a local, knowledgeable steel dealer near you. They're gonna 468 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: get you set up with what you need and they're 469 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: not gonna send you off to camp with what you don't. 470 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: Thanks again and we'll talk to you next week.